Is this INSTANT Shut Off Valve ILLEGAL?

[@SilverCymbal]

Full Install Video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oHPJon1uqsyIh5I 1/2" Valve: amzn.to/3YmkHcp - What do you guys think?

[@richeastmain4031]

To all those who complain about the cost, this is clearly a special-use valve. It’s not meant to be installed for every valve in the house but if you have a situation that requires it, it’s there for you.

[@J_M3444]

Yeah but it went up over 75% since he posted the video just 3 months ago…that’s a major problem

[@rudyjanke5942]

​@J_M3444 that's capitalism bro supply and demand.

[@AWellesley]

$300 is ludicrous price gouging. The exact same product, from the same company, retails in Europe for about $70

[@rickwilliams967]

So why waste your time and money? That's absolutely valid to complain. He's making it out like it's some magical savior. Stuff like this will inevitably break quickly.

[@benargee]

This is probably a good item for a plumber to keep in their van for emergency shut off situations.

[@rodneywilson9192]

I heard an interesting story about a woman that couldn't find her meter shut off. Specifically gas. Turns out all of them on her street were buried when the city put in a sidewalk and then claimed the homeowners were responsible for having it moved if they wanted to shut their gas off, including tearing up the sidewalk and putting it back. She just stopped paying her bill and when they threatened to shut her water off, she said "please do". After a few conversations the city admitted it was their responsibility and fixed all of the meter shut offs free of charge.

[@mikethespike7579]

That's a great story! Some problems can be solved by simply refusing to do something.

[@Axodus]

​@@mikethespike7579He's just standing there.. MENACINGLY.

[@vikenemesh]

@@mikethespike7579 specifically refusing to do your part on a contractual obligation. Always gets the other party moving. Might be just the thing you need in some cases LOL

[@kitsuneneko2567]

​@@vikenemeshthere were two parties refusing to do their part... One stopped to get the other to start.

[@OidhcheMhath]

Isn't this like... crazy illegal?

[@kylefowler5082]

Regarding the question "why not just shut the water off at the street?" one should note that your steet shutoff valve may not even work anymore. Mine is from 1972 and doesn't completely shut off the flow of water. If you complain to the city about it they tell you that you shouldn't be messing with their equipment anyway to scare you away from pushing the issue. I had an old main shut off valve fail underneath my house and I had to shut off the water at the street and was still getting soaked by the water getting past the main valve. Thank God the sharkbite worked without leaking. And before the sharkbite hating crowd comes a calling I already know the internet hates them spare me the comments!

[@SilverCymbal]

That is such a great point, thank you for sharing this

[@ladripper47874]

What's so bad about sharkbite? I'm not a plumber nor have I ever heard of the Company

[@kauske]

@@ladripper47874 It's mostly that they are an impermanent solution that some treat as permanent. Because of the way they work, something like water hammer could cause them to spectacularly fail much more easily than a brazed joint would.

[@chaos.corner]

@@kauske They are not presented as temporary though I am fairly suspicious of them myself. It was handy when a saddle valve sprang a leak and there wasn't enough pipe left once the problem piece was cut out to do a proper join though.

[@chaos.corner]

My concern if you cannot shut the water off is, what if something goes wrong during the install? You could suddenly have made a big problem that you have no way to control.

[@j.p.9669]

I've installed one of these myself (UK house) and it's a fantastic product and easy to use. Yes it's not cheap, but it's value is there. I'd imagine it's largest application is if you have multiple people showering and you need to do some work at the same time e.g. can't turn off the mains to the property. Was very impressed with the build quality.

[@Dogappel]

Cost it mostly going to manufacturer. Production is a few bucks.

[@JimLambier]

I haven't had a building inspector in my home since we purchased it over 25 years ago so i wouldn't be worried about the legality. I have however had home insurance claims where their inspectors have examined things looking for reasons to refuse a claim. I would be more worried that they don't approve of their usage.

[@lostboy8084]

When ever a outside pipe broke just replaced it with an included shut off valve. Pretty much can shut off sections of water now so don't have to shut off the main. It also helps narrow leak searching.

[@daveclark6324]

Great follow up video Chris! Thanks for the additional info and clarifications 👍

[@SilverCymbal]

Thank you! Much appreciated. This would be a perfect produt if it was less money but its still clever

[@ejonesss]

the only illegal thing i can think of is the local codes may say that you may not install on the city side of the water system. here in the united states we have a thing called a curb witch is where the town and homeowner responsibility ends. so it may be possible that you may have some exposed pipe in your house that may be on the home owner side that is still town property like the piece before the water meter so you may have to ask your town about where you can install it.

[@thomasdalton1508]

Forget about local codes. Cutting a hole in a pipe you don't own would be criminal damage.

[@sewerrat7612]

Who owns piping varies by town in the USA some towns your responsible for the entire service line not just to meter/curb. Also depending on local jurisdiction interpretation of code ot can be considered a piercing valve which doesn't meet all codes. They can be useful for home owners or new plumbers that aren't comfortable with freezing or live repairs.

[@TheTrueOSSS]

From what I've seen, the alternative is to have a plumber freeze a plug upstream while they install a new valve. While not a long term fix, this is a fantastic solution for the short term and where it can be observed for failure.

[@DragonBuilds]

This would be AMAZING for retrofit work in older homes when the main shut off needs replacement! I still like the Jomar more as it is all brass. The way to do it is to install the Jomar, then install a threaded adapter, and install the best possible shut off valve (Nibco HydraPure valves are my favorite)

[@sewerrat7612]

See them used more in homes from 90s or so historics/older homes usually have basment that won't be hurt if you do a live repair quickly.

[@MikeHarris1984]

That valve is best for places like a multi unit apartment complex/highrise, where a full building shut down for an emergency is a NO GO, or for maintenance work. Plus, if you turn off at the base level, you then have the down presure of all the other apartments above the one being worked on and that ammount of water and preasure in the line is crazy.... So this valve lets maintenance/super's isolate an apartement and turn off to just that unit/floor or, in an emergency where a leak is discovered, but cant find out where and there is no maintenance room, no way to tell what does what, etc... this can help turn off a floor/line in an emergency preventing a bad Blockout. I would say this is NOT for the every day DIY'er, but more designed to the maintenance industry/building super's.

[@davidtotten3042]

I have installed probably over a hundred of these. All the way from 1/2” to 3”, using three different brands (sorry, I don’t remember the name of the third.). I was in the engineering dept of a major Las Vegas strip property with well over 3000 rooms,casino, convention area, shops, and every thing else you would find in a mega resort. Like every other Vegas property, it was built on a super tight budget, and the cheapest materials were used. When we would have a waterline failure, a once or twice a week happening, we would attempt to turn off the water at the closest valve. More often than not, it wouldn’t hold. If we could, we would go to the next valve back and try that one but that was seldom an option as the further you go back, the more you shut down. Executives don’t like that obviously. So we would install one of these so we could make the repair. In my jurisdiction, they are allowed for temporary installation only, unless something has changed since I retired. That meant use the valve to make a emergency repair, then plan a shutdown of a large part of the system in the wee hours of the night and replace the valves behind it and cut the quick valve out and trash it. A typical 1/2 broken water line would usually require 2 to 4 valves to be replaced, and yes, we always replaced with high quality valves. One last note, while expensive, we didn’t pay any where near the prices quoted. A 1/2 was about 150.00 and a 3 inch was about a grand.

[@hannahranga]

Was it possible to reuse the valves?

[@mikethespike7579]

@@hannahranga I bet most plumbers will have tried that. It doesn't look too difficult.

[@davidtotten3042]

@@hannahranga no, they are one time use.

[@billwhite4126]

Cool valve, I do wish they could sell it for less money and they would sell more

[@MarkTrades__]

But then the business would take on the project of "how do we scale our current processes to make much more volume without impacting any of the characteristics of the product?". Its not that easy to change the amount of something that is being manufactured. Machines have max run-rates & tend to perform worse the harder you run them (and break down more - leading to stock-outs), material flows take up tons of space (faster production = more material handlers+forklifts, need more space , need new factories because most factories aim to operate close to full floor-plan wise for profitability). Stocking parts for mass-sales takes up EVEN MORE space & requires world class levels of warehouse management (you need special forklifts for high-density warehousing, should they buy those forklifts or a new building? How would they handle being in a new building? Move machines?). The experienced people involved in the processes have figured out small things over time only they know that they do to keep things running smoothly. The list goes on and on. It is in no way a simple feat to produce "more of something and sell it for less money". Its a monumental feat that 100's of thousands of people in factories & workshops spend their entire efforts on daily, just to make the progress you already witness in the products you see today. For the business, making THE SAME # of parts & INCREASING PRICE to help manage demand is MUCH MORE APPEALING & ACCOMPLISH-ABLE. Then "just selling more of them for less". They may be working on trying to "sell more for less", but that work tends to take 3-7 years, in my experience, depending on the resources mobilized for the project & the leadership of the project team.

[@silvernblackattach]

@@MarkTrades__ drivel. typical comment for all encompassing price markups. nothing new.

[@weibernipple]

lol the guy under the sink 2:00

[@narlycharley]

What a trainwreck of a video. I watch it about every six months or so to remind myself that someone out there is having a worse day than me. lol

[@SamMcWhannel]

@@narlycharley lol that video is a classic, I've seen it a few times too, always good for a laugh

[@circular_logic6217]

can you link the original please?@@narlycharley

[@Davvg]

@@narlycharleyI can’t believe you’re all talking about this without sharing

[@vnctmrn]

no clue why this was on my suggested page, but i love it.

[@j.morrison73]

I just watched your initial video on this (I left a comment to) Glad you answered the shavings on this video.

[@tylerfoss3346]

Another good, informative video, Silver Cymbal. Kudos. Thankfully, I do not need one of these (my main water supply valve from my well is a ball valve like the one in the video). Yes, these things are expensive. Are they more expensive than having a plumber solder a ball valve into your water supply line? I cannot see how. Getting a plumber to come to your house (even in an emergency) is unsure (sorry plumbers but this is true). This could definitely work in an emergency as you point out in the video.

[@alanm2842]

you will never have one of these valves on hand, when a emergency happens.

[@alanteets6365]

I needed this last week! I had a water leak in the basement before the house valve shut off. I dug out the curb valve under 3 feet of snow and ice and found the tube to the valve full of asphalt from the original driveway installation!! A plumber cut the pipe under pressure and quickly installed a valve while getting blasted with water. Cost was $1100!

[@nickwulf]

“YA GAUNA CLAUG UPYA DISHWAUSHA” lmao

[@bmir89]

These days, anything convenient when it comes to home repairs is "illegal". Just trying to keep the tradesman industry alive.

[@MalleusSemperVictor]

Convenience is a double edged sword offset by future costs.

[@doesntmatter5263]

Just installed two of the 3/4 on a hot water return line in a hotel. The idiots who initially plumbed the building put no isolation valves on this branch of the return line and of course, it had a leak. Shutting the entire building down was not an option. Super easy installation and fast. Just a heads up you will feel almost no restriction like a normal ball valve when turning it off. Makes you wonder but they do work and are very very practical on high rise buildings

[@Comm0ut]

I install a shutoff on every line repair and in addition to every sink, water heater or spigot I install to make future maintenance and repair easy. I also set up my homes so if I need to renovate any room I can bypass the existing water lines with farm grade hose and garden hose fittings. Do that right and if you need to your system can run off a temporary water heater sitting on a pallet outdoors so you can always shower and wash up.

[@rosegold7975]

Great follow up video! Thanks for the info!

[@ramosel]

Do some people really NOT have a main water shutoff on their property? Because of your introduction to this product, I did buy one... I have no intention of using it anywhere. It is now on the shelf in my shop where I keep other emergency repair parts for my property. It just might come in handy. But I don't think I'd use if for a permanent repair. Ultimately, I'd go back and sweat in a standard valve body.

[@SilverCymbal]

Not sure where you live but in the east coast with older cities and towns often shut offs get buried and sometimes just forgotten. I think thats why these are so popular in the UK where the issue can be the same. When you move further south and to the westcoast you see much better developed areas where things like shut offs are much more standardized. I had family in Boston and they had a shut off under a floorboard in their living room that controlled 2 units. Thats my theory on it, but certainly may not be accurate but it definitely happens.

[@chrisrichard298]

The other issue, especially in the area Chris and I live in, is many, many buildings are OLD. The shutoffs, even assuming they exist, are so old, brittle, and poorly maintained that when you do finally need to shut your water off, you often can't. The valve may break, leak, or just not even turn. There is definitely value in this product if you face an old, crusty shut off valve that has no hope of working. Here in New England we usually have two shut off valves for a structure. One is the curb stop, located out by the street, that is 5-8 feet down in the ground and you need a special tool to operate it. This valve is primarily used by the municipality to shut off water in an emergency or if you fail to pay your bill. The second one is (usually) in the basement. That's the one you are supposed to use if you have to perform work on your system. Since no one touches these valves, often for decades at a time, they get corroded, caked with minerals, and the seals get dried out. The second you touch that old valve, you are committed. Exercising the valve occasionally definitely helps, but I don't know of anyone that has "Exercise Water Valves" penciled into their calendar. It's just not something you think about until you need it. Most newer buildings they install a ball valve instead of a gate or globe valve. Ball valves are MUCH more reliable, but many local building codes haven't really caught up. It was only a handful of years ago here in Manchester that they started to allow plastic sewer lines underground. Before that you had to use cast iron. What could possibly go wrong? Best advice, if you have an old globe or gate valve and it still works, shut if off, cut the line after it and install a ball valve while you still can. Then never touch that old valve again.

[@bladeoflucatiel]

The only reason is if you live in an old building and scheduling a shut off is out of the question. Even if your appartment has an individual shut off valve in some cases you still need the super "supervision".

[@thomasdalton1508]

​@@SilverCymbal I've never heard of anyone in the UK not having a stop cock in their home. Sometimes they are seized up after years of not being used, but they certainly exist. The mains cutoff outside the home is another matter - it should certainly exist, but I'm not sure how many people know where to find it (I don't know where mine is).

[@zncon]

I suspect most everyone has a shutoff somewhere, but in the fullness of time they can be lost by being built into a renovation, or buried by landscaping or other dirt work. Even if you know where it is, older valves are frequently the gate style that fills up with crud, and is no longer fully able to shut things off.

[@fZionists78]

Thanks for these interesting and very helpful videos/reviews.

[@litigioussociety4249]

I had to pay a plumber the first time I had a faucet burst on me. I had only lived in my first house for a few months, and had no idea there was shut off at the water meter, or how to use it. Now I know, and was able to buy one of those water meter rods for it. I've had to turn off the water to fix a small leak since then, so it's definitely been beneficial. If I didn't have access to a shut off, I would definitely want one of these things.

[@JohnDoe-qg6hm]

What do you do 5+ / 10+ years down the line when the O Ring deteriorates and begins to leak ?

[@vog51]

Those are cool and all but when that buna-N seal cracks, and it will, you'll have to sweat in a proper valve anyway. These should be for emergency use only.

[@mayolivia1]

Ingenious award winning product, allowing isolation of flowing how or cold water under pressure, installed in just a few minutes using your cordless drill and the tools provided, innovation at it's best. Easyfit is: LEGAL Much cheaper than Add-A-Valve UPC and NSF approved A full flow permanent isolation valve, Add-A-Valve is a one-off blocking device (NOT like for like) An isolation valve suitable for copper and plastic pipes Supplied with a full warranty Designed to be water hammer resistant Lead-free as standard

[@dschaedler]

How realistic is it to flush out the line when i need a valve that has to be fitted on the pressurized line? If I can just flush it, I can also probably turn it off to install a normal valve.

[@SilverCymbal]

Flushing it just means opening up things downstream without an aerator or filter. You should do that with after any plumbing work to remove cuttings, flux or just contaminants from new pipe

[@cameronkelly8469]

Does this work with thin wall copper pipe, how does it handle older corroded pipes on older homes?

[@coslorem6943]

Soo, as it is copper and commonly used for under 1000 PSI, I don't think the appliance it self is illegal. As you point out, it does give you an extra outlet.

[@Daniel-lk3sy]

Yeah but if you have a street valve you have to get permission from the water authority to even touch it and usually it has to be a licensed plumber to turn it off

[@peger]

And sometime they don't realy work anymore.

[@Daniel-lk3sy]

@@peger yes that can be the reason.

[@chaos.corner]

I think that's strongly locale dependent.

[@Techno-Universal]

In many places doing your own plumbing work in your own property is highly illegal unless you’re a qualified and registered plumber in that state/county.

[@paulattanasio3061]

Can it be used with "PEX"?

[@SilverCymbal]

Yes, this is what they show on their site. "The valve may be replaced or installed on hot or cold water, pressurized systems, copper tubing (K,L,M) and PEX"

[@thatjokerperson7062]

perfect example ive seen this would work for... major retailer with landscape sprinkler tied into fire sprinkler without a shut off 🤦‍♂

[@sewerrat7612]

Just kill the water to both and install isolation valves prior to backflow see it often in older buildings usually an easy fix.

[@thatjokerperson7062]

@@sewerrat7612 only if they have a shut off

[@sewerrat7612]

@@thatjokerperson7062 can always shut off main or add valve live utility/maintenance rooms are generally designed to handle a little water.

[@Auziuwu]

I believe this is a great product, been looking into them. However, I don't understand the price tag. Still, in the event of an emergency, this could save someone 10s of thousands in damage.

[@Fubarpapa]

How much force it takes to pull pipe out of the valve?

[@djdonbentley2141]

We want to see the valve de niro used in the score .

[@usb6000]

Wow people are really saying that this thing was too expensive. It's not a harbor tool use once to a throw it away. This is a specialty tool with a very specific job If memory served me right this is like $350. That price is cheap comparison to alternatives to do the same job.

[@jaylord55]

I could see having one handy if you don't have access to water cutoff just in case or hitting hardware store to stop the water quickly till you can get a plumber in

[@SamuelPiresN]

In my house in Europe we have simple valves everywhere, in case something happens we can turn off hot water, cold, both, only a section of the house, etc.

[@jameskim62]

YOU ARE CORRECT!!!!!

[@mikethespike7579]

Excellent for emergencies. But otherwise I'd always go for a normal valve solution. Not just because of the high price tag, but also because I don't fully trust the seal on that thing.

[@silvernblackattach]

I would trust it, but the price is ridiculous. Easy enough to solder in a regular valve ..... would only use if in a total bind. way too much.

[@joecummings1260]

I'm cutting the pipe and shoving an open sharkbite valve in before spending 500 bucks. Or using a compression fitting instead of the sharkbite

[@MYCHANNELWITHMYSTUFF]

1st reasonable response yet. I've had sharkbite fitting in my house for over ten years now and not one single issue. Any plumber that says otherwise is a liar.

[@BOMBON187]

Expensive yes, but it will pay off when you need it in an emergency.

[@mordikal]

some plumbers I know got a freezer sleeve to shut off any waterline temporarily

[@AOKONE]

Was stoped by local police the other day, had one of these valves on my person and now I’m waiting for the verdict.

[@brendan5260]

I’m shocked this is even possible, so I’m not surprised it costs so much.

[@DresdenFPV]

If I really would need a valve somewhere RIGHT NOW, then this would be a good option to have - simply because it works and that's always better than no option. But I would be highly hesitant to install that if there's any way around it. Because: WHAT IF THAT THING FAILS? I'd still have to close some valve that isn't there… but now FAST! that said: in those cases nobody cares about price too much

[@poptartmcjelly7054]

this valve is expensive when you don't need it and priceless when you do.

[@christopherfrankovich5239]

You can freeze the pipe if you have the right situation. Then install a cheaper valve.

[@kevintaylor1434]

Can it be used on older steel pipes

[@marcusjames6425]

This is made for places like hospitals or industrial plants where you can't just turn the water off.

[@michikomiyagi9863]

when are they going to introduce CPVC pipes to USA,

[@sewerrat7612]

Cpvc common on the east coast ok for commercial but terrible for most residential applications since it likes to Crack with outside movement such as that caused by some diverter styles.

[@DanielCValot]

Solder a good full port ball valve and be done with it! Do it right and done!

[@kamenneikoo7854]

Why are bottle traps illegal in the US when they are commonly used in Europe?

[@frankjames1955]

i would say put a threaded clean out where the shaving fell.... why not

[@nazismomsrhos]

Its worth the convenience

[@TheTurpin1234]

I don't understand why you used it here though. Can't you just shut your well pump off?

[@djcarbine3074]

Impressive, very nice! Let's see Paul Allen's valve.

[@Gr3nadgr3gory]

It's only the water hammer that needs arrested.

[@sczullkjengker8380]

Can it be used with pvc pipe.

[@itskempy]

in the uk here they are around £50-100

[@5000mrnomercy]

So one thing I noticed is that this valve is way WAY cheaper in the UK vs the USA.

[@lazmotron]

Great Video

[@dominicm2175]

These are exactly the types of valves used every day by the water utility companies on water mains

[@Adamsadventures83]

Nope. Not quite

[@smorris281]

This looks awfully similar to a saddle valve, which are not permitted by the plumbing code in many, many jurisdictions. This valve looks like it uses the same concept as a saddle valve, so, yes, it very well may be illegal. Check your local codes office.

[@bartomiejnoga1804]

Is it reusable?

[@blueeyegi]

If you have to ask yourself, “Is this legal”? Instead of having the belief that, “Everything is legal, until it’s stated so” You might be exactly where the Government wants you.

[@lifehackertips]

Your 3/4" link is still $420, that's still a lot of money for a few small pieces of metal.

[@pcmasterwraith7676]

in pipe fitting inductry the call these mechanical tees.

[@wernerviehhauser94]

The price of this valve is meant to make you suffer for not thinking of installing valves when you should have :-) At least, it would if I had made it.

[@youtubeman5033]

It would be easier to do it live with plenty of towels or just freeze the pipe it’s to costly

[@seanbohdan865]

deffintly usefull

[@stephenfazekas5054]

This is cheaper than the damage water can cause

[@2990rick]

" ILLEGLE " 🤔 I thought an illegal was a sick bird 😵‍💫😵‍💫😉

[@Alphoric]

1 3-400$ valve is cheaper than multiple plumber visits

[@kentw.england2305]

Um, is it illegal?

[@SilverCymbal]

No, because of what I showed regarding saddle valves

[@sewerrat7612]

Not code everywhere but homeowners install things not to code all the time so nothing new.

[@cosmicinsane516]

Beats trying to freeze the pipes.

[@mikecrystalrobert7898]

I used something like this 💩worked great for a couple weeks then started leaking an fked my whole basment apartment up bigtime

[@looking_33]

just keep a shark bite end cap on hand

[@sewerrat7612]

Sharkbite valves work better for home owners if using on copper remove insert and slide on with valve open so pressure doesn't blow it off then close. Perfer Hou just call a plumber though since in many areas insurance won't cover water damage from homeowners trying to correct piping if something goes wrong.

[@sergeyk856]

Much cheaper si to freeze water inside the pipe and istall ordinary valve

[@justin8894]

Water!

[@jakublehky4256]

Why am I watching this at 3 am?

[@Daniel37parker]

freeze kit left the chat

[@Flowing23]

👍👍

[@purebloodheretic4682]

Freeze the pipe then cut & put in $10 Ball Valve!

[@khounchailinlavong6089]

It's definitely cheaper to diy

[@chaos.corner]

I had one of those saddle valves spontaneously start leaking at my wife's business. It wasn't even being used for anything (I think it was probably installed to provide water to a refrigerator). Fortunately it was caught before any damage was done but that was only by chance and it could have been running overnight.

[@HDSME]

This is a emergency valve

[@KLondike5]

I'm pretty sure i need a special tool to operate the city access street valve. They've never discussed or mentioned how a homeowner could do this themselves.

[@SilverCymbal]

That is correct, it can be somewhat universal like this: amzn.to/3wl9qPn But most people don't have it when they need it

[@allangibson8494]

Depends on where you live. In the area I live in they just have a regular valve handle.

[@chaos.corner]

I usually just use an adjustable wrench though the longer ones are more convenient.

[@sewerrat7612]

Before touching recommend checking with water company to see who owns it. In the case that it fails while your turning it off could cost you alot in fines depending on local regulations.

[@geimfarinn]

Just use a cryo kit then install a proper valve

[@thomasrobinson182]

It does it 'under pressure'?

[@Don.Challenger]

Note the mentions of places with no interior water supply shutoffs but at the street (house/utility demarcation). This can be used to provide a whole house shutoff (or if wanted shutoffs elsewhere - maybe for supplies to the yard bibs/faucets) near the utility entrance or on the interior side of a water meter. Just needs a proper screw down while the water flowing remains in service. The main complaint appears to be the cost is as much or more as a plumber visit to solder one in for this one or an even more expensive competing brand.

[@Ray_HD]

How the fuck does this appeared in my Timeline?

[@Jim-tv2tk]

Who buys a $500 valve?

[@danthesupercontractorhvac9690]

Handy

[@orenbell1645]

Like if you're not a plumber or home DIYer, but the algortihm brought you here anyways

[@TDHofstetter]

Normal sweat valves are easy to install and work beautifully. There is NO such thing as a water supply that cannot be shut off.

[@sewerrat7612]

You can freeze crimp copper than reshape but in the USA some situations such as only working valve being on the sevice under a road your not always allowed access. That's part of why it's common practice to do live valve replacements in some areas.