Is this my next laptop? - HP Dev One

[@Bradmagus]

The fact that they show you the actual JSON data they're sending should certainly be a standard imo

[@BastetFurry]

You can do that with the average Linux user, but do that to the average Windows user and you will end up with so many helpdesk calls of confused customers. Sad reality.

[@Nevir202]

@@BastetFurry Just make it a button "View Details" those who don't know won't click it, those who want to know will.

[@spaceriot23]

@@BastetFurry or they can just prettify that JSON to end user

[@SkyyySi]

@@spaceriot23 Showing it like how Firefox shows JSON rather than a monochrome text file would probably help.

[@dave6012]

That is cool. I was wondering if that was editable, like, can you choose to remove certain fields from the json, or perhaps add one (if you know what is).

[@RussSirois]

7:25 This reminds me a lot of how the Steam Hardware Survey shows you all the data it gathered before sending it off. More companies should offer this, even if it's just a JSON dump. Analytics doesn't have to be bad!

[@MrGamelover23]

Unfortunately, they're kind of useless if they're opt-in. Linux suffers massively from having opt-in analytics. Developers would know what they're wasting time on if it wasn't. It should be opted out but something that you can click a check mark on during installation. Otherwise all the data is highly skewed.

[@PhysicsGamer]

@@MrGamelover23 That sounds like a problem that isn't worth the price of the cure.

[@tuttiepadh7556]

@@PhysicsGamer Absolutely

[@MrGamelover23]

@@PhysicsGamer no, it's worth it. It should be opt out so the people who actually care about that kind of thing can exclude themselves. Normal people don't care, and this information is only helpful if you get it from the majority of users.

[@PhysicsGamer]

@@MrGamelover23 This really does sound like a not-my-problem situation. Why should I have to hunt through menus to opt out of something? Yeah it's a tragedy of the commons to a point, but the difference is that not many especially care about this particular "common" and many actively dislike it. Though in my case I like to take the additional step of not opting-out but rather scrambling my telemetry, in a lot of cases. It amuses me to think what that winds up doing to their final data.

[@ArtifactSkyline]

That chassis is identical to the 840 G7/G8. I work with those machine on a daily basis. Common issues I see are partially damaged speakers and some oddities with the USB-C ports (not charging, not passing through display signal), otherwise no complaints. Beware of the keyboard though, it is hard mounted to the chassis. If it breaks it is not something that can easily be replace DIY. HP support has been great though when issues do come up.

[@unknownLK1]

My company got me one last year. But I got one with a intel cpu, and the temps is the only downside for me. Never got any issue with the ports so far.

[@Funnywargamesman]

I have a feeling I know who you work for

[@DasGanon]

Same! Although we're running 845 instead of 840 (it's the Ryzen version) and it's specced pretty much identically to the one Anthony is using. The only major difference is that the 845 G8 Elitebook is that it has the cool Spectre logo. Also a lot of issues with the shutter in that a lot of users bump it when opening and don't realize it

[@ArtifactSkyline]

@@DasGanon that is a pretty common complaint I have gotten too. We close them by default and most users don't actually realize they are there, which is fair. So we will get calls and have to walk them through it.

[@ArtifactSkyline]

@@Funnywargamesman me or someone else? If you mean me, take a shot I am curious.

[@mrMartyrer]

i would be absolutely happy to see something like a dev benchmarks added to the list of a usual pc/laptop benchmarks, like compiling times

[@skylk559]

As a developer, I find thunderbolt very useful because I always dock my laptop and run out of internal storage. Thunderbolt solves both issues very well although I can live with usbc.

[@firefireg]

Everyone knows this. But this video is an ad.

[@joshuac837]

When HP wants to make an upgradeable machine, they can make a damn good upgradeable machine. Worked with some older HP laptops when I worked in IT, and those did pretty well

[@JuryDutySummons]

I've been impressed with the HP Elite Book line. This looks like it's from that line.

[@diavolodeejayZERO]

I have an elitebook as work laptop (elitebook 835 G8) and it's SO EASY to open and serive it, I love it

[@manojgail]

Agree. My HP laptops were pretty easy to open and upgrade. While before that I had old Dell XPS which used to performance machines not ultra portables of today. I could only RAM through a small compartment at bottom. Other than this for everything you had disassemble complete motherboard. It was pain in the ass.

[@lars2894]

Pretty sure this review unit is a repurposed mid-range ProBook 600 lineup, though I could be wrong. EliteBook 800 series have nicer chassis and a redesigned, slick looking HP logo.

[@this_is_japes7409]

yes, unfortunately, that's not where the money is. supplying businesses who don't care or don't know any better with overheating machines with planned obsolescence now that's where the money is.

[@IgorEngelen1974]

Think this is a great move from HP. The first thing I noticed many years ago when playing around with Pop OS was how they managed to create a very relaxing environment purely with their color scheme.

[@sebastianwendl603]

I'm currently using Linux Mint, because it's so easy to use. But all that pop!OS-praising got me thinking, is it really THAT good?

[@IgorEngelen1974]

@@sebastianwendl603 i think it's best to try it in virtualbox. Never tried Linux Mint but out of Ubuntu, Debian, Pop!OS and a 4th I can't remember I liked Pop!OS best. But it was mostly for the setup and the GUI in my case.

[@ManuaL46]

@@sebastianwendl603 compared to other linux distros yeah! I'm currently using a mix of RHEL and Fedora for work n home, and yeah somethings pop just does OOTB that others don't. Also I stole the pop-shell extension from pop os and put it in fedora

[@FairlySadPanda]

"Could this be my next laptop?" > Available for purchase in the U.S. only Guess Anthony is taking the sample home with him

[@6891s]

well i look at the spec of it and it’s not that great but if you only use it for work then it’s fine just import it from mexico to india tten to your country

[@jyvben1520]

they travel to the USA sometimes, so not really a problem, still a review after some months would be nice

[@IMarvinTPA]

"Could this specific one be my next laptop?"

[@6891s]

@@IMarvinTPA maybe if you have the money for

[@IMarvinTPA]

@@6891s The quote isn't for me, it is what Anthony has to be saying since the laptop isn't available in Canada.

[@forestthefish]

It looks like a off color hp elitebook g8. I've been really satisfied with how good hp is on keeping their stuff serviceable. No funky screws or adhesive. Lots of modularity is pretty common in the elitebooks. Great video guys.

[@Alpha8713]

This is really cool. Especially for the price. I've long been a Lenovo T-series user, but I hate that they have gone to soldered RAM. Love that this has user-replacable RAM and also a pointing stick (which I strongly prefer to touch pads). Having something designed for Linux is a bonus (though, to be fair, the T-series has always run well with CentOS/Rocky). If only this had built-in ethernet and a matte-surface LCD, I would buy one immediately. Anyway, nice job, HP and System76.

[@idtyu]

Lenovo or thinkpad runs perfectly fine in fedora, their own engineers use that.

[@hasan_m119]

I have the elitebook 850 G8 its the same exact chasis but the 15.6" version with an extra ssd slot, 4G slot, matte display. You can go for the probook which has a very similar chasis and has an ethernet port but sadly no pointing stick

[@U1TR4F0RCE]

If I remember correctly the HP Dev One is basically meant to be a lenovo thinkpad which have been popular linux laptops for some time.

[@pierreuntel1970]

no, the lenovo E or the thinkbook series uses a linux-incompatible fingerprint scanner for years now

[@jenda386]

I just wish the HP had a middle button for the pointing stick. I exclusively use that to scroll through websites and documents.

[@LaczPro]

HP it's killing it about upgradability these recent years, especially if it has a Ryzen in it (I haven't used an Intel-powered one yet, but since they look almost the same, I think it's the same deal on those too). They're not exactly Framework with their modules and such, but the "HP Spare" parts have been the thing that I enjoy the most from them as a technician that repairs laptops and desktops for a living.

[@lenano]

This is just a rebranded EliteBook 845 G8 but they removed the 4G card/2nd ssd slot...... Does explain why it's such nice quality and so modular though. Business laptops should really get more attention in my opinion. They often have useful extra features like an extra b-key m.2 slot for cellular modem cards that can also be used for an extra ssd or really whatever b-key device you can think of (there's even software defined radios that fit in that slot lol).

[@DarkP1]

business laptops are real laptops the other ones are toys for kids, apple sells both in one so their pricing is business but targets kids. if HP and Lenovo only serves this type of laptops Mac would be in serious problem.

[@sonofage]

It was what made me click the video. My days when handling HP laptops for work suddenly flash before my eyes. Haha. At least it has upgraded specs and parts.

[@shvrdavid]

This is just a rebranded EliteBook 845 G8 but they removed the 4G card/2nd ssd slot......You left out "but costs more money"... Fixed....

[@ryanb6503]

I bought an HP laptop and desktop in college and after all the drivers started breaking one by one with every major Windows update I was ready to swear them off forever. but I found the local university sold their old business laptops (g2's/g3's) for cheap and they were amazing!

[@RommelMurillo]

@@DarkP1 I have an HP 840 G7 and I will never buy one of those for me. I really hate those laptops

[@akrizar4]

As a developer I would say the thunderbolt connection is actuallu super important. Where I work we use "hybrid work" - meaning we work 2 days from office and 3 days from home - so ability to connect to docking stations by just one cable is suuuper important and convinient

[@miff227]

intrigued - what would I miss out on with a USB-C non-Thunderbolt docking station? Just display resolution/Hz ?

[@akrizar4]

@@miff227Mainly how much you can connect to it

[@KayJay01]

I'm surprised by Anthony praising this so much. This looks identical to HP's business lineup with the Elitebooks and Z-books. It literally just looks like one of those with Linux installed. The screws being captive, the raised wedge, the physical webcam shutter, the internal layout, the external layout, the upgradeability; it's all identical to HP's business lineup. I don't think HP has done anything in particular with this laptop, it is just an elitebook (looks *identical* to the 845) with Pop! OS.

[@pleepler]

Because it is an Elitebook without Windows And I hate Elitebooks, but much less than those thick Dell Inspirons. Still, they're all a bunch of loud and terrible laptops

[@toast1797]

The whole point of this is being first-party hardware you don't have to wipe windows and install Linux on it. Not all people (dev included) are interested in messing with Secure Boot and boot order.

[@Zedilt]

Only thing I noticed as different is the lack of the "premium" HP logo.

[@Ebalosus]

@@pleepler pray-tell? I’m quite partial to elitebooks, given how serviceable they are, even compared to Thinkpads.

[@BadatchH]

@@pleepler inspiron isn't a comparison to elitebook. It would be the precision which I use for work and the new ones are basically like xps chassis

[@prizim4827]

i wish more laptops would just come with a usb-c charging port

[@njbrx]

same tbh, i just want to use one single cable and charge all my tech devices

[@HimmelWeint]

That is cool but I would also like it if instead of just having 1 USB-C port for charging have it like have 3 or 4 USB-C ports that can also do charging so if you want you can charge it from the left side of the device for right handed people or the reverse side if you are right handed. And if they were all capable of charging say you had something plugged into the port that should be used for charging you don't have to unplug that device to charge the laptop.

[@starfox863]

No, barrel ports are more reliable

[@VioletRM]

@@starfox863 dont care, dont want a million different chargers

[@cptcrogge]

You can charge all recent HP laptops via USB-C as well, even the rather old Elitebook G5 can be charged via USB-C. I think its great that HP offers multiple ways to charge the laptop, this way you can use the USB-C ports for other purpose or ignore a broken port.

[@Stark-Naked]

As a HP commercial system engineer I can say specs are hard to come by internally as well. R&D guys keep them under lock and key.

[@lukasmrtvy]

6850U, DDR5, PCIe5 NVME ? Elitebooks have it, also T14, X13, even 13s by Lenovo...

[@charleshines1553]

It is nice that they list specs for their laptops otherwise. I guess they realize no one will buy it if they don't know what it is. It may be junk or unsuitable for someone's intended use, they would not be able to decide on it without knowing. Maybe it comes with a WiFi card that is known to not work well with their router. Sure a lot of times those can be changed out but not everyone knows how to do that. I know a lot of people who don't get into the technical stuff and just want it to work.

[@jorgebustillos8469]

No usb c charger? Really?

[@AlexMoffatPrime]

@@jorgebustillos8469 It probably does. I have an HP from last year that does both the barrel and USB. I only use the barrel when running intensive tasks.

[@Corroidz]

@@jorgebustillos8469 Look at the symbols between the USB-C ports. 3:24 Looks like they support power as well.

[@bastost]

Kudos to HP! Hope that they launch outside US too.

[@theredtechengineer1480]

No, the Kudo is a system76 laptop not a HP laptop.

[@totallynotbluu]

@@theredtechengineer1480 explain the HP branding then

[@Watchandlearn91]

@@theredtechengineer1480 HP created the laptop and worked with system76 on the software and a few other things.

[@ladislavseps4801]

They somewhat did it's just the hp elitebook g8 with pop OS. I assume it should be easy to get the pop os on it. Edit: it is not. They removed the smartcard and celular modem options. (the modem is in m.2 slot, you can get elitebook without it and just add ssd or something)

[@anonymgamer3416]

@@Watchandlearn91 whooooosh

[@theGURUman]

Looks like the current HP Elitebook - same machine in just slightly different color and with different branding. But servicing / upgrading / maintaining the whole Elitebook like was always pretty great - had few of them across several generations (since Core 2 Duo era), HP provides all drivers, documentation, easy access to all important components.

[@benmol_]

3:30 that's a DC power jack, don't put AC directly into your laptop!

[@benmol_]

@Глеб Сальманов a good way to end a career !

[@notvisibleconfusion]

@@benmol_ or worse Putting AC electricity into a DC battery will ki1l you

[@xirxes]

As someone who has repaired or upgraded HP laptops a bunch over the years, shout out to those exposed captive screws on the bottom plate. They definitely have a habit of hiding screws under rubber feet on the consumer grade laptops, and this laptop avoiding that makes me really happy.

[@JuiceBoxScott]

I love it when Anthony gets excited about something. Great video!

[@PSYCHOV3N0M]

That nipple though! 😂

[@Zero1Zero1]

Looks great. I really appreciate how it's engineered and knowing you can upgrade or repair it if ports go bad. That was the one thing I loved about my Vaio. You could do anything with it

[@rvmiv_]

I'm always down for some Anthony linux content!

[@miff227]

Linux is actually his surname.

[@mosemister]

As a full stack web developer, I feel like a 16:10 aspect ratio would have been a better choice. That being said, different developers have different needs, so a "on device frontend application developer" would probably want a 16:9 as its the most common (although window sizing is more common now instead of maximised applications). Same with a games developer (unless you dont mind the black bars when working in 16:9 and then when it comes to testing 16:10 .... You can .... However that apu probably means your not doing games development) Other then that, its hard to fault it. Personally I am a linux user however im a cheap linux user so i get laptops half the price and then upgrade them to have 16gb of ram (as 4gb of that is taken by the apu that on amd laptops ... You cant change) so i won't be getting this, however if it had a 16:10 aspect ratio at that price then i would be tempted as its a hassile finding out what 8gb ram laptops have replaceable ram

[@tyaty]

It uses a Elitebook 845 G8 chassis. Elitebooks switched back to 16:10 starting with the G9 series.

[@macro_concepts]

Worth a comparison to windows laptops in this segment too. shaving $100 off the sticker price is a significant improvement in terms of value

[@girlsdrinkfeck]

time is money and when linux NEVER works how anyone wants it to, its not worth saving the windows licence ...

[@mrjack08722]

@@girlsdrinkfeck It is if you intend to strip the windows off the pc the moment you get it and install linux.

[@Kaiwizz]

@@girlsdrinkfeck yeah, it doesn't stalk you like Windows. But I guess you love to have to be stalked.

[@ArniesTech]

@@girlsdrinkfeck Linux actually works a lot as people want it to. And especially when matching Linux with suited hardware guarantees even more that everything will work fine. 🙏💪

[@girlsdrinkfeck]

@@ArniesTech yes its fine when its in a preconfigured package ,but the normal PC user with a sex life cannot be arsed

[@AndyWilliams8]

13:30 I like how Anthony closes it up without replacing the memory/NVME shield.

[@mavfan1]

Oh the “Launch Keyboard Actually”. I hadn’t seen the actually version until today.

[@YoloMonstaaa]

There's actually a new cheaper version of the launch keyboard.

[@LuukDomhof]

That background prop blinking around 09:04 was a nice touch!

[@mamaharumi]

I typically despise HP but this actually looks very nice. Would consider it if the price is right. A second m.2 slot would have been great though.

[@Smackindaface]

$1099

[@Alex-jv6ye]

I was the same way, but my latest work laptop is an HP and the quality seems much higher than it used to be, think they are doing a better job now.

[@tomv3999]

I very much like having a second m.2 drive of the exact same size as my main one (Lemur Pro). I can dd the entire boot drive to the second drive if I am at all concerned that an OS upgrade or some other thing I'm doing I may want to completely roll back.

[@Neojhun]

HP Z is separate division. It comes at a high price but very worth it.

[@jakesullivan3017]

@@mamaharumi if you think this slightly overpriced, I’d love to know what you’d recommend with similar specs and size

[@fakej3562]

We've got a nipple, right there. It feels really good actually. -Anthony Young 2022

[@FengLengshun]

Pop OS is great. They made Gnome more useable and attractive to me. They also have system recovery partition that can reinstall the OS with or without preserving user data right from the GUI or from boot. And, unfortunate that it can't make it for the laptop, but in 22.10 it'll have btrfs-snapshot too apparently. They really took Linus' experiences to heart and make a system that, if not hard to screw up, then at least easy to recover, making it great for newbie and on laptop like that.

[@Komatik_]

It's a pity Pop doesn't run KDE. Tried GNOME and I just can't.

[@FengLengshun]

@@Komatik_ Well, they are going to use their own DE next release. I'm going to give that one a chance. While I really like KDE, as long as I can have the Window Rules and a similarly powerful server-side window decoration (unlike gtk's pos useless csd), and a filepicker worth something, then I can live.

[@crsv7armhl]

As much as Pop wants to be seen as a dev os it really isn't though.

[@girlsdrinkfeck]

windos is better ,cuz it works ,only neckbeard nerds love spending 80% of their time in t nerminal making it work

[@FengLengshun]

@@girlsdrinkfeck except when it decides to update and then suddenly your entire file is encrypted. I just don't have the patience for Windows anymore - I have a workflow, I've optimized my KDE for that workflow, and it is frustrating whenever I use Windows and things just doesn't work as smoothly as I want it to be despite being a paid OS. Tbh I probably wouldn't have any complain if I coule have macOS' aesthetic, reliability, and user experience but with Windows' games, prices, and extensibility. Alas, configuring Linux to work like that is the closest alternative I have.

[@this_is_japes7409]

8:00 really wish that this is just more common practice even if most people don't completely read through it, having it transparent enough, so that the people they trust that do care enough to read it can give it a checkmark, just helps both us who know privacy is being slowly weathered away at us at every point and the developers and pc manufacturers not meaning to do anything malicious but still need some data to help them for better troubleshooting and diagnostics.

[@t5alx136]

I installed Pop OS just a day ago, the timing is spot on!

[@thedoctajon]

I'm only hearing about it today. how do you like it?

[@Lockdown335]

might have to check it out as im starting to dabble in linux

[@ent2220]

I use Fedora. PopOS is also really good.

[@predictedpunches]

I feel like you should switch. PopOS is genuinely a mid Linux distro. Arch is better for more experienced users

[@Ankush.8]

Zorilla is one of the best for new users coming from Windows

[@bikesandbrass]

I used to be a field tech for HP and would have to do full teardowns of laptops like this in the field and I can't even tell you how long I fought to get things like captive screws in the bottom cover. Really saved my bacon once when I had to do a full motherboard swap on the hood of my car in a parking lot. No, I'm no joking. The battery labeling for screws is awesome, but the mother board and all daughter boards are labeled where screws go and usually what they are. There's also labeling to tell you when parts are stacked, which one is the top so you don't get a thing all reassembled only to realize that this one screw was supposed to go through the keyboard THEN through the motherboard. The separate power jack is something pretty common for HPs as well which I also agree was a GODSEND when people inevitably break that gigantic barrel plug they use off.

[@therodyman700]

I work with HP enterprise laptops quite alot. Compared to Dell and Lenovo, it's really no contest. HP is head and shoulders above the competition in build quality and stability. Due to lack of stock we had to buy a bunch of Dell hardware and we've had nothing but issues with them, from hardware issues to BIOS issues to firmware updates that BSOD bootloops the fucking things. issues we've barely experienced with HP in the last 4 years

[@MS-lw1pd]

Dell is the worst, the hardware they give or advice is on of the worst.

[@austinverlinden2236]

HPE is for server/enterprise equipment. You might be thinking HP Inc. which is a different company that produces Commercial and consumer desktops, laptops, etc

[@fraznofire2508]

Lenovo Thinkpads are still the nicest feeling devices on the market, the rubberised texture really gives a premium feel over the standard aluminium everyone else uses.

[@thatwolffe3802]

@@MS-lw1pd My older dell Vostro Is pretty fantastic, and I hate dell, it can do some light gaming with the nvidia MX graphics but what I use it for is basic spreadsheet work and some video & photography editing, it has 2 M.2 slots, upgradable ram and is super easy to access it all. all for £250 used I did need to fit a second stick of ram to unlock proper performance, went from 30fps 900p med in overwatch to 75-80fps 1080p med

[@ashar8192]

on the consumer side: they lock down the option to limit the battery charge to their expensive lineups, like the Envy

[@dallenbaldwin3484]

I mean I get the arrow keys make sense with the keyboard configuration, but as someone who's had multiple laptops with that style arrow keys... You never get used to it and it's always annoying when you aren't looking at your hands to type.

[@DubCity]

It looks exactly like the Z book by HP that I use for work. They are actually good laptops, really expensive tho.

[@kornkernel2232]

Reminds me alot of Elitebooks as well from one of my old work which I did some basic troubleshooting. The board is very serviceable and really a godsend. This looks like a rebranded Elitebook or Probook to me, which is great. I wish consumer grade laptops were like this.

[@NPzed]

Its the same chassis just different internals. The ZBook Firefly and IIRC Studio and Elitebooks typically have several models with the same chassis but different specs. This has been going on for years through the various generations.

[@Jimster481]

Yes this is the Elitebook 840? I've dealt with these before, they look the same on the inside and out basically.

[@ChatGPT1111]

With only a single 720p camera and no touchscreen, a ripoff too.

[@NVAfilm]

@@kornkernel2232 a e r

[@redtails]

2:48 on my HP elitebook, if you disable the nipple mouse, it also disables those extra touchpad buttons, which is a stupid design decision imo. 9:53 oh boy I hate the privacy displays. perhaps they improved them, but even just 2 years ago they were horrible and cause eyestrain in minutes. I would never again get a laptop with those privacy screens

[@MurangShaBu_MahalNaBiGas]

This laptop is good specially configured for Linux, the hardware can be seen in many different laptops but what makes this unique verse other laptop is the free PopOs support, which the ticketing system is already built in. So yeah definitely a winner.

[@hrq007]

Wow, I love it! Side note: HP has been doing the "wired barrel jack" thing at least since the DV4 series (2008). I have replaced mine before, circa 2010. It is really neat.

[@th0m]

3:30 I could be wrong, but I'm nearly certain that's DC in not AC.. Would be a ton of additional bulk and heat if they integrated the ac-dc adapter inside the laptop.

[@johnh1353]

Brings me back, i'm a computer/software engineer and in my younger days would always sport the Sony Vaio SZ line of laptops (the best next to the MBP), this HP gives me the SZ kinda vibe (minus all the latest tech in the laptop eco system)

[@idjdbrvvskambvvv9007]

god i miss vaio and their micro tweaking

[@UpLateGeek]

This looks pretty great. I would totally consider it for a work laptop if it had an Ethernet port, which is pretty much mandatory for a network engineer.

[@branislavavramovic2601]

You can alaways buy a USB Type-C hub with the Ethernet port on its end. It works great on my device.

[@UpLateGeek]

@@branislavavramovic2601 If I'm in the back of a rack, I just want to plug an Ethernet cable into the side of my machine and use it. I don't want to go searching for a dongle (you never have it when you need it), and baby this thing sticking out the side of my machine to make sure I don't accidentally pull it out or knock it on the rails as I'm pulling the laptop out of the rack.

[@branislavavramovic2601]

I'm mainly working from home and I don't have these issues, but I guess you are right.

[@needlessoptions]

Just got my 12th gen Framework laptop for dev work but this honestly looks way better. Shame they only ship to US otherwise I would probably send the Framework back lol.

[@peterhoburg]

I have had the Dev one since launch, and it is fantastic. I just want to clarify a couple of things. It can change via USB-c It can be upgraded to 64 GB of ram The battery lasts for a long time It supports 2 external 4k 60 monitors + the built-in one The keyboard is great It runs very cold when not compiling something Overall a fantastic laptop. Best in class for $1100. Pop-os is one of, if not the best, Linux distros.

[@richiemohanty5107]

What's the battery life like in real world usage. Would uoi recommend this for a travel book? I am looking for one that let's me work on different projects while. I'm on the move.

[@GuitarListen]

This keyboard layout is at least 4 years old. Had one of these at work and I can say it felt nice. The touchpad itself wasn't something to die for, though it did use to include another line of left and right click on the lower side of the touchpad. But the keyboard was above many other laptop keyboards back in the day (imo).

[@grammy2838]

Thunderbolt is useful for developers for high bandwidth docks, especially if you work in more than one location.

[@XiaOmegaX]

Yep. Getting 3 4K monitors going you either need TB or you're stuck with sub-par DisplayLink usb-c docks. Plain USB-C docks without displaylink or TB are usually just 1 displayport and no MST.

[@TimRichardson_GrowthPath]

​@@XiaOmegaX AMD currently means no Thunderbolt, but on the other hand, it's an AMD CPU (and iGPU). That's the tradeoff.It's one I'd make in a heartbeat.

[@jackoftrades80home]

Anthony is talking about it probably not allowing user to remap the keyboard while the text on the screen from the HP site on 6:01 clearly says under OPEN SOURCE FIRMWARE that it is completely doable without the launch keyboard

[@cromefire_]

Thunderbolt is always super useful, if you have too many screens, 20Gbps (especially 10Gbps) is just not enough for like 3 screens, depending on the resolution.

[@smartsalmon1]

I've had this since launch. My only gripes are dual booting doesn't seem to work and 16:10 screen would be nice. I'm looking forward to an HP Dev 2 with the little improvements but I absolutely love the Linux experience on it. And I run ParrotOS as this is a pentesting machine for me and it's totally stable zero issues on that or the various other distro I tried it on.

[@slembcke]

Augh. I have a ~3 y/o Lemur Pro that's totally fine, but I kinda have the upgrade feels anyway, and the dev one is currently deeply discounted. Maybe they are selling it off, or making room for a next revision. On the other hand, not excited about the poor viewing angles or the severe downgrade in battery life. (The Lemur gets almost 20 hours doing light dev. Almost 30 if I stretch it!)

[@smartsalmon1]

@@slembcke I feel ya. I'd say to wait a bit to see if a Dev 2 is around the corner but who knows how long that could be. Battery life diff is massive though. I don't have an issue with viewing angles personally and I use a matte screen protector. 20 hours of time between charges of actual programming usage is fantastic and I don't think I'd buy something new just yet if it was me and I had a 3 year old machine that I assume has decent hardware.

[@cptcrogge]

The Elitebook 835, 845 and 865 G9 offers 16:10 and faster hardware.

[@danielwoodruffe7881]

The key to them actually finding success with products like these in industry will be all in the aftermarket support. The reason Macs are so popular as industry provided development environments is because they can provide all in one support for the product and upgrade lifecycle. HP are maybe one of the few companies that have that level of scale, so I'm rooting for them. I'd love to be able to work every day on one of these babies instead of a Macbook.

[@drunkenfarmerjohn42]

I actually had one of the Envy 360's with similar design language. It was a fantastic laptop. The last generation mid and high tier HP's have been fantastic machines.

[@DamianMontero]

What a wonderful review and getting into everything and yes. That is definitely my next laptop. Anthony, you always do a great job and always enjoy your reviews!

[@sebastianwendl603]

Now the question is: Because the laptop is awesome, or because Anthony reviewed it? Because everything reviewed by Anthony is automatically more interesting

[@biturboism]

I have used the x360 elitebooks for the last 5 years and I can recommend the HP hardware privacy screen - not the one here that is simply conveniently bad viewing angles of a cheap LCD, but an actual hardware layer on the screen with a dedicated Fn button to make the viewing angle truly fixed within a few degrees. Works amazingly well on a plane and can be turned off for normal use.

[@kiri101]

Linode's basically the only sponsor that I have any positive sentiment about - I hope they're still cool like back in the day

[@AverageSneedEnjoyer]

They are entirely cromulent

[@CoolSilver]

I've loved them for ages. Now owned by Akamai I hope they continue being amazing

[@yewtewb3628]

I see lots of malware and phishing campaigns hosted there lol

[@Rikorage]

Honestly, that barrel connector will probably last longer than the cables it comes with, unless you're really really really bad about not tripping over cables. I work in a place that this is a lot of those types of laptops, and that is an extremely small, I've never seen it technically, issue for a breakage for HP laptops.

[@leetween7232]

This is the same chassis as the laptops I work on for my job and the metal is SO soft they really can’t take any hits. And to replace the keyboard you have to disassemble the entire computer and it’s attached to the top deck.

[@michaelbrinkman1350]

You are right the shield you forgot to put back in is an RF shield for FCC compliance, but it also blocks the memory RF emissions from interferring with the Wifi operation which can be negatively effected by memory bus speed transmissions.

[@stephanepiquemal8297]

A pretty neat laptop, I wish I could find it in Europe as well.

[@TheAnoniemo]

My old HP workstation had buttons for left, right, and middle mouse clicks. As someone that uses middle mouse all the time that was a great feature and I don't understand why no other laptops have that...

[@AdamM]

I’m interested in how well or not these are selling for HP. I love the idea of having this replace my MacBook as a dev laptop and we have even talked about the possibility at work for getting some for devs who want to be on Linux machines. 👍 great video here

[@vaughngx4]

HP makes some really solid laptops. My first laptop was an HP Compaq 610 that's still alive. Currently using a G8 Ryzen 5 with Garuda Linux and it is indeed as amazing as Anthony makes it seem.

[@brostenen]

I use an old Probook (6460b) with Ubuntu Mate and 12 gb Ram. I do not code anymore, and use it only for life-related stuff (mail, home banking and so on). But it is an awesomme machine for what I paid for it. Sure it can be noisy from time to time, but it is some 10 years old after all. Just a wonderfull solid piece of machinery for those personal related stuff. And easy to open if I need to remove dust from the fan. Nice size screen as well.

[@sojourner4726]

If only HP logo wasn’t hideous. But I’m excited to see pop OS being released on a major brand laptop with great build quality. Also as someone with a similar balding pattern as Anthony seeing him on camera confidently going over what he does makes me feel more confident in how I look. I feel silly for admitting it, but it’s the truth.

[@owaistnt]

Thank you for opening and showing the internal components. This type of reviews really help taking a decision. My last laptop ram was not upgradable it made me so uncomfortable when I was informed when I was trying to buy new Ram sticks.

[@TheUltonian]

I've never seen a 'dev' focused/branded laptop that I'd actually want to use for day to day dev work. They always seem to have 16:9 1080p screens and come in the small 14" sizes. Why not 2k 16:10 at least? 15 or 16" variants? Always wind up buying something else and sticking Linux on later. (At the moment, I'm on framework for that 3:2 screen, but even with that I'd really love something bigger)

[@DailyFrankPeter]

6:59 Excellent demonstration of why I hate glossy screens. Allegedly they make the colours 'more vivid' but, in reality, even the wall behind the laptop is more vivid, so people who state that must... I don't know... live in a darkroom.

[@highvoltage12v]

We took an HP Elitebook and gave it a new name. Yay marketing.

[@austinverlinden2236]

Elitebook has more features than this.

[@alexlexo59]

I think its more than that No windows key (why would one need it when running gnome) And they collaborated with system76 and there is a chance that battery won't suck on those And the drivers should be an A+

[@PSYCHOV3N0M]

Marketing 101: "Perception is greater than reality."

[@WildMidwest1]

@@austinverlinden2236 Limited features that work reliably for the majority of users is preferable over a larger number of unreliable features. I’ll take a boring, stable platform over a geeked out circus show.

[@austinverlinden2236]

@@WildMidwest1 I agree, though the person i was replying to was trying to compare this to an Elitebook. They are very much different

[@GareWorks]

It seems pretty decent. The value seems almost too good to be true. I'd like to see the barrel jack replaced, the trackpad centred, and those arrow keys made less garbage. I think those are my biggest complaints. Maybe some more USB ports, especially USB-A. The keyboard in general seems pretty average, especially if it is indeed plastic-welded in place like most laptops are these days. Hopefully they make more iterations on it because it seems decent but it could be better. I like the idea though. Certainly better than any laptop with Windows on it.

[@LiteralBeans]

Looks pretty cool my guy

[@sebastianwendl603]

13:20 Board specs are nice, BUT I would argue most people do not need them. I keep my laptop running since 2010, service every part of it and have never seen a spec sheet. Because as a consumer, I don't really need it. Changing RAM, SSD, cooling or batteries is reasonable for every consumer. HP makes all of those easy in this laptop, so great move on their part. It keps electronics out of landfills with minimal cost to HP. Upgrading CPUs is probably a thing of the past, sadly. Board specs are great for technicians and repair shops, but there is a lot you can do without them as a customer. It sure would be nice, but the idea of "right to repair" (as I understand it) is to give people control over their electronics. This laptop is a pretty good attempt at that.

[@ReaperUnreal]

As a dev this looks like a REALLY solid laptop and I want it. If only it were available in my country. :(

[@alksdng97834y]

Just look at elite books they are the same exact thing

[@kbhasi]

Try getting a HP Elitebook 840 G8 (Intel based) or 845 G8 (AMD based), and spec it out to be similar to or even better than the Dev One. It'll be more expensive, though, and you'd have to create a 'super' sticker to cover up the Windows logo key on the keyboard. Plus, you get the options of going smaller or larger as there are 13" and 15" models if I recall correctly. The last time I checked earlier this year, it seems that HP charges more to order them without Windows licences, so I'd recommend getting it with Windows, then creating a Clonezilla image of the factory image before erasing the internal storage and installing Pop OS.

[@zimbu_]

I'd recommend the HP ZBook line. I'm guessing either HP or System76 is apprehensive about doing an international release if they don't have market research to tell them how many PopOS laptops to make in each region. HP is a big OEM so their normal production runs involve things like separate keycaps for each QWERTY Nordic country depending on if the letter Ø or Ö is used.

[@TheMuso28]

@@alksdng97834y The core of the machine may be the same, but the extra accessories like the wireless card and webcam may be incompatible with Linux, or may be buggy. At least with the Dev 1 you can be sure that everything will work with Linux.

[@HiImKyle]

I was gonna say when you was opening it, "damn this is a nice laptop. Keyboard and mouse as well?! dayum! Whats the catch?" - Launches into PopOS, "ah ok i see"

[@KevinFarleyWV]

At times I really want one of these. Then I think of all the quality issues I've had with the last few HPs I've bought for work and I have to wonder if it would have the same overheating issues I've had on 3 different laptop models so far.

[@christopher2nd]

“You got a nipple…right there…and it actually feels good!” Amazing.

[@notproplayer3649]

Really looking solid, good quality all around, no real downsides and good price. This is why I like HP, I now currently have a envy x360, and this is also all around great for a good price. Even though it came with windows I installed Linux on it and I have got zero complaints. This dev one seems to replicate the great experience I have with my HP but is even better, bigger screen, more upgradeable, more powerful, better hinge and even if I'm loosing the touchscreen with it, I never really used it in the first place. I also love the direction they are taking by collabing with system 76.

[@Maxible]

I have one of these and it's exceptional. I'm a massive fan. I've never cared for HP as a brand in the past but the Dev One is something special. I absolutely love the laptop.

[@noktilux4052]

Is it quiet?

[@Maxible]

@@noktilux4052 95% of the time yes, almost silent. The fans very rarely kick up, and when they do they're not very noisy. I suspect because they didn't try to go absurdly thin with the build, that allows for enough airflow to not need to pack a jet engine sounding fan in there. There's seriously none of that crazy "my laptop sounds like it's trying to take flight" nonsense here, just good quiet operation.

[@WildMidwest1]

This - 🎉

[@DJM24862]

But does it come with lvm and a separate home partition? Otherwise I’ll have reinstall anyway lol would love to try PopOS

[@Bou89]

Dragging stuff with the track point is a breeze.

[@pldcanfly]

Go HP! If I had the money to spare, that would be a nice upgrade over my old tuxedo laptop. I hope they continue with supplying linux-machines and it not being just a one-off.

[@aha8969]

Maybe it's a dev-one-off

[@crimestoppers1877]

Excellent review! Thanks!

[@madson-web]

Those internals are the minimal in how every laptop should be built by default. Now it is a niche product. Only missing thing in there is a socketed processor.

[@shresthkumarlal285]

Thickpad supremacy 🙏

[@Joseph1NJ]

Nicely done, I actually like the laid back cadence of his speech.

[@6891s]

looks like something i might bring to school instead of a 2.3 kilos gaming laptop

[@jacksonneedham2792]

Ew, metric

[@6891s]

@@jacksonneedham2792 beuh i don’t know the imperial unit

[@brawldude2656]

As a developer and a amateur IT dude who usually gets the computer stuff done the JSON dump is great to see. I always get asked about cookies and analytics and I cant give them a clear answer on whats being sent other than guessing common data that is sent.

[@velho6298]

It would've been so much better with both side charging with USB c or thunderbolt

[@UltimateMustacheX]

I'm probably going to get this laptop as my first leap into Linux, but I have yet to find a decent review of the battery. I'd mostly be using it for standard web browsing and youtube, with occasional word processing, and apparently the videos kill battery life. Hopefully I'll be able to get at least 6-7 hours out of it, considering they claim 12.

[@NeonVisual]

I feel like someone who walked into the room where I thought the beers and party was, but it's accidentally a cooking class. These are some of the nerdiest nerd comments I've ever scrolled through.

[@TheBTC]

yeah i think i took a wrong turn in my feed somewhere.

[@UKPRIDE]

I think the room has been triple booked by Dennis again.

[@CryptoHQ]

NOBODY MOVE! Linux user's eyesight is based on movement. Just turn around, slowly, and click back to your subscription feed. Don't run and don't look directly at the GUI.

[@NinjaQuick]

I use an HP 855 G8 (workstation laptop), their professional laptops are really effing good, shame they're not 4:3 or 16:10 - And I have the same positive impression from the internals, it is SUPER serviceable.

[@AhPook]

This laptop just literally proves that it's a choice for things not to be upgradable and serviceable by consumers.

[@Intake2365]

I work as a service technician for a big Telecom company, and we use exclusively HP business laptops, and can confirm all of them are built like this.

[@nautilus1982]

I'm surprised to see so much praise for this particular laptop. It's essentially an old HP EliteBook with one M.2 2242 slot removed. While it may be a fine machine, there is nothing new or special about it. Mini-boards and protection for ports are standard for business laptops. You can find competitor's offerings with RAM slots, more ports, arguably better build quality and stock Linux options, and by now (late 2022) almost all business laptops are 16:10 or taller. This is still 16:9 with a glossy finish. It doesn't stand out even among HP laptops. For the same price, why not get an EliteBook 845 G9 with an extra M.2 2242 slot, 16:10 screen and the latest Ryzen 6650U processor?

[@neversimon]

I'd buy it and the mouse in a heart beat if they were available in Canada.

[@Argletrough]

Looks great! I might think about getting one when my x220 dies in 2050.

[@zafuro]

just get another x220 or an x230, or switch to a t-series equivalent of the same two gens

[@dylanalusumani3092]

The laptop looks like a rebranded Z book. The finish is the same, the design is the same and even the IO setup is the same. The only difference is the operating system

[@camtheham13]

In a way I’m fine with that, but it brings up another issue for me, I’d rather see “dev editions” with Linux drivers and Linux factory installed on all or at least a good number of zbooks/elite books etc instead of just one special edition laptop

[@jerrycapizzi2081]

Anthony always does the best hardware reviews

[@sasakanjuh7660]

As a Linux enthusiast, it sounds so amazing to hear someone actually has a proper "Linux ecosystem".. Hell, one can even get a Linux phone these days, though they seem somewhat far from "daily driver ready" state, but still :)

[@chriscarlin3972]

The only reasons he gave for wanting one is that is has linux and it is easy to work on. Not exactly huge selling points with linux being easy to install and several other manufacturers making fairly serviceable laptops. Also what makes this laptop for devs? At least the GPD win pocket 3 has a built in KVM module and a serial port option.

[@TimRichardson_GrowthPath]

And the price. Interestingly, Anthony didn't spend much time on the most important hardware feature, the AMD CPU.

[@TheJackiMonster]

I really hope we see more laptops designed to run Linux out of the box in the future. I think this is intended to be the first step for HP testing how it goes with developers. So they have enough time to train their support to help mass users in later iterations of Linux machines. Definitely a good thing to see given that there shouldn't be any big hardware or driver issues with such machines.

[@morgwai667]

- 14" and only FHD? you can't fit 2 tabs of code and a sidebar in 1920 pixels... hopefully there are better options available when configuring at the shop - 16GB RAM? my 12" thinkpad in 2009 used to have the same... that's 13 years ago... it's barely enough for normal local work and if you need to spin up some VMs, then, well, you just can't ;-] Again, hopefully it's possible to put more. Like WAAAY more ;-] - 3:38 "for developers thunderbolt isn't super useful" -> excuse me?? a unified docking station connector is something I was dreaming whole my life before tbt3 arrived: you can work directly on the laptop while commuting and when arriving home/office there's just ONE plug for all your N displays, power and M other peripherals. There were some security issues due to DMA though. Finally it's a proprietary Intel technology, so no wonder it's not there with AMD. - 5:38 "I don't that a touchscreen is a thing that you can do in Linux" -> you definitely can: was using one with Ubuntu on a XPS13 DE back in 2017 at least - battery life during normal dev work? - cooling capabilities when using 100% CPU (compilation) for extended time? (big pain point in case of XPS) - GPU?

[@dr.benjaminbird7631]

Are those type C ports power delivery host or power delivery device? Being able to charge it with usbC is a deal breaker for me

[@StormKidProductions]

Given that it's basically an Elitebook, yeah, it can charge via USB-C

[@kornkernel2232]

@@StormKidProductions Yep this looks like a rebranded of Elitebook, which is already a great platform for these HP laptops. Enterprise grade laptops are different beast from their consumer grade ones.

[@CastleBomb44]

I hated the screen on the HP Dev One so much that I had to return it. I did not want to have to return it. The screen was wayyyy too reflective for me, it would pick up any kind of light behind me. I really hated how bad the off angle viewing was, I felt like I was constantly redjusting the screen so I could view the screen correctly. I love how sturdy and well built the hinge is. I never got used to weird design of the arrows. I would totally buy it if it came with a higher rez & matte screen.