Is This Record-Holding Handgun 1 MOA All Day? 1MADL Challenge

[@PaleoBushman]

I'm an old soldier and retired from the Army. After watching gun countless channels since KZbin started, I have to say that this is one of the best out there. Always simple, straightforward information with no B.S. Keep that going brother. Blessings....

[@PolenarTactical]

Regarding the CZ457, to get it sub MOA you would probably need to glass-bed the stock and torque it more than factory spec or put it into aluminum chassis like MDT. The other issue is ammo - you would need to use super precise and consistent ammo for it, probably something that is normally used for olympic shooting

[@PolenarTactical]

also that AR shot great - definitely seems capable of 1 MOA

[@PolenarTactical]

and amazing shooting with a pistol!

[@JaredAF]

Thanks! I'll have to try some Eley match stuff I have lying around

[@Ihasanart]

My CZ457 Varmint in a MDT XRS absolutely loves SK Rifle Match which is cheap for 'match' .22lr ammo, it will routinely print 0.85 MOA at 100m if I pull my thumb out with 10 round groups, though figuring out the best action screw torque #'s takes a fair amount of experimentation.

[@JamesMelzer999]

​@@JaredAF If you can find some Eley Tenex I'd recommend that over the Match, through my rifles it's about twice as accurate.

[@G79911997]

That AR is very accurate. Holy sheeez balls!?...

[@madscientist5969]

If that was your 'bad' day at the range...can't wait to see a great day! Thanks, Jared! Oh BTW, I'm going to order another Garand from the CMP and see if I can get a rack grade into 600 yard capability. Cheers!

[@JaredAF]

Been focusing on pistol mainly! Thanks for watching

[@rmp5s]

That "sleeper" M16 is friggin SICK!!!

[@jwilsonhandmadeknives2760]

I have yet to meet a CZ rifle that likes CCI at all. They love SK, Wolf, and Aguila. It's odd because CCI SV is basically the poor man's match ammo in just about everything other than CZ.

[@jmkhenka]

CCI standard is cheap crap. SK match rifle is where its at.. But its more expensive.. not many of the american made ammunitions that are good, US makes bulk ammo not good ammo. Rimfire shooting is big in europe and that is reflected in the worlds best rimfire ammuntion from SK, RWS, Lapua..

[@JaredAF]

@@jmkhenka I should probably do a lot test with different .22 for my CZ. Might make a decent video even

[@Kesssuli]

@@JaredAF Yesterday at range buddy tried different ammo what i had laying around from his cz 455 standard. Conclusion was that everything was better than winchester and cci he had his own. tested:Norma tac 22, norma tac 22 subsonic, geco rifle, geco semi-auto and cci blazer. Pretty standard and even spread with all ammo and groups were consistent for fixed 4x zoom with thick crosshair scope(dont remember brand). At 50 meters all printed around 3cm group while geco rifle and semi-auto did best staying closer to half of that. At 100m quick test both ammo shot around 4-5cm group. For those results i could blame wind and scope which is not exacly meant for precise aiming. Takeaway from that: Least from cheap stuff US made ammo is worser when it comes to accuracy. Lapua and sk would be my pick if actually want to test what rifle is capable to shoot. Didnt had those with me because i have tippman elite m4(12.5 barrel) and it runs with cheap stuff good enough. Around 5cm group at 100m with norma tac 22. People with me at range are usually so hurry to go competive shooting that i rarely have time to actually test stuff like i would want.

[@loquat44-40]

@@jmkhenka Likely true, but the reason I shoot low scores is not the ammo or the gun; it my dismal ability that is the culprit.

[@thorsaxe5881]

It's nice to see someone your age diving off into Bullseye shooting, it was my sport for many years. I have a RRA Ar and they do a great job with fitting, like yours @100 yards I can shoot a one hole group, I never got the opportunity to secure a Hammeri 208 or the 215, however, I have had great results with my S&W Mod-41 and Vintage High Standard Mod -106. They are accurate and dependable and leaves it all up to me to score with them. Anyway, Great Channel and content, keep up the good work - Dave

[@Pallidum]

I did not expect the m/41b. Gorgeous rifles. I used to own one, but I sold it about a month ago as I needed the money for my PRS career. As a note, the 71 is not the rebuild date. These were all rebuilt from the most accurate m/96es in the mid 40s.

[@RimfireAddicted70]

Excellent work with all 4 platforms! Each of those takes a different set of muscle memory to hold for shot placement and your groups are very commendable. I doubt many people can master all 4 platforms the way you have and being so young you have a lot of future potential !!! Keep up the great channel content!

[@idonteven3861]

"...located entirely in my kitchen". Nice reference and great video. Hope your competition with the Hammerli went well.

[@JaredAF]

Did alright! I should have used irons. I had a bunch of jams due to the red dot mount and finally got fed up with it when it caused me to time out on the first rapid fire stage. I would have broke 2600/High Master if I had just used irons the whole time.

[@idonteven3861]

@@JaredAF Nothing wrong with irons. I'm well below your level but I find that when I begin to push myself hard on a drill, I really start to long for irons. I think it's just me not wanting to get better at good dot presentation rather than irons being "better", but I am very stubborn!

[@davidzimmer2694]

9.879 for honesty and comedy. Outstanding as usual.

[@bobfugazy4916]

Wonderful video Jared, thanks for sharing. I know what you mean about the bullseye burning into your eye...ugh. Keep up the fun vids.

[@HoosierJ-fn9qk]

Yes. I agree. All your guns are junk. Please send them to me so they can be disposed of properly. LoL. That was a great video. Thanks for taking the time to do it. I throughly enjoyed it. And I’m so glad to see another generation competing in matches near and dear to my heart. Distinguished will come.

[@Blackstone9x19]

As someone who enjoys both practical & precision, it's good to see a 'traditional' pistol shooting channel on KZbin

[@johnbyrne1022]

Nice, I have a 208 too, great gun. The way I look at this stuff is this: random variable distribution means that you're going to get roughly 70% of your rounds into roughly 1/3 of the total distribution range. So when you see 7-8 rounds out of 10 into 1moa, and 2 "fliers", that's expected for a 2.5-3moa firearm. It's tempting to think that if you were more careful those fliers could have been inside 1moa too...but then the other 8 should have been basically one hole. This might not be perfect because the actual distribution pattern might not be exactly a normal distribution, but it's probably something like that.

[@JaredAF]

I got a C in stats

[@johnlarkin5496]

Good shootin today. Someday ya need to do a show on the myriad scopes out there. The spotting scopes as well as the red dots. Keep drillin that X! I prefer to keep my X circle clean, but that’s just me 😂

[@thrasherthetic]

A couple really nice attempts in there. Love this stuff.

[@williamfordham8081]

Genuinely one of the nicest AR's I've seen in a long time. Looks timeless 👌

[@JaredAF]

20" ARs are just effortlessly drippy tbh

[@warrenginn8448]

Great job sir. Keep at it. I went out in 2010. Distinguished #2030. Rifle. Did it with irons. Your national match gun is nice!! Great video. Earned a subscibe

[@protoman1214]

That AR is pretty neat. Had no idea they had A2 style handguards like that in a freefloat configuration. Very interesting, I would love to see it disassembled to see the sleeve you are referencing. Even though I know the early M16a4s had the A2 guards, it doesn't feel right unless an A4 has the Knights Armament rail.

[@JaredAF]

Check out the white oak or rock river A2 float tube. unfortunately the tube requires you to punch out those plastic inserts on the RAS rail if you want to use it with the tube. there are a lot of images of the old USMC team before they were disbanded with a setup like that.

[@NobodyAtAll56]

Finally, someone who doesn’t hate the a2 grip

[@JaredAF]

a2 grip is GOAT

[@MrBond0071984]

Forgive me if this video is referenced somewhere in this challenge but I think it was Backfire TV had a really interesting video a couple weeks ago. He went to the range and offered money to anyone that could shoot 1 MOA and it took forever. This time there was an added element that made it harder and I do believe it was with but either way it was fascinating to me considering how many people casually say their rifle is easy under 1 MOA and stuff like that.

[@MrBond0071984]

I shoot note I think everyone had to shoot totally cold which undoubtedly made it harder. However it definitely made it more relevant to a hunting scenario which is what it was primarily geared towards I think.

[@JaredAF]

That is a fun video. I'd say the amount of people out there who can hold 1 MOA consistently is very small, or else they'd be winning competitions left and right. The most heinous claim I've heard is someone saying they can do 2.5 MOA standing consistently with a Henry .22. That would literally put you with the top Olympic 10m Air Rifle competitors who are using all of fhe best purpose built gear to shoot off hand... lol

[@MrBond0071984]

Dude I’ve learned shooting and fighting are 2 things that most men are completely unable to be even remotely honest with themselves about. My favorite part is in the comments section there are soooo many people saying “wow that’s tough, I mean I can hit 1 moa all day but with the camera on it makes it hard” or whatever. The lack of self awareness is fucking astounding lol.

[@MrBond0071984]

You are dead on though. It’s always with some kind of nostalgic old school gun like the Henry. I love classic guns. My tastes are often more in line with older guys than my peers in their 30s. However like you said your great gradpaps shit box 22 is not more accurate then a custom built competition rifle. Even if you do fancy yourself the next Chris Kyle.

[@JaredAF]

@@MrBond0071984 This was a younger guy too, lol. And he tried to play it off when pressed on it like "Oh but this was taking as much time as I needed and really 'digging my heels in.'" As if under any circumstance doing 2.5 MOA standing isn't literally Olympic level performance. For reference, 2.5 MOA standing would clean the off hand stage in service rifle and have room to spare. It is RARE that anyone cleans that stage, even for people like Brandon Green, Dan Lowe etc

[@zacharycastor7967]

Mad respect Jared.

[@johneads3050]

Good effort! As others have said, SK at a minimum for your rimfires and your centerfires may have done it with more tuned loads. Either way, it's great to see a younger shooter in the bullseye sports!!!!

[@b79holmes]

Great attempt at the 1MOA A D Challenge. Somewhere on KZbin Mike (Bloke) explains mathematically why a 3 shot group is meaningless & why a 10 shot group consisting of three 3 shot groups is still a 2 MOA (or whatever) group. Makes sense when he explains it but I can't quote any it. Fine shooting though.

[@loquat44-40]

My stock model 41 S&W with cheap $60 ebay optic shoots about the same group size from a rest also with CCI SV lead bullet ammo.

[@perarduaadastra873]

My S&W 41 shoots 1 MOA off a concrete bench at 100 yards, with a red dot. I had a very firm rest, but it was hand held.

[@JaredAF]

Try the challenge! I would love to see that

[@perarduaadastra873]

@@JaredAF I’m in the United Kingdom and our government had 60,000 people destroy their handguns, after a criminal act by one person in 1996 who had possession of firearms through a police licensing failure. So my Smith & Wesson Model 41 was destroyed. 15,000 people have since bought new handguns, which are required to have 12 inch barrels and 24 inches of overall length via an arm brace or extension rod off the pistol or revolver butt. We are not allowed semi-automatic centre fire. We have no prohibition of short barrelled rifles in the United Kingdom, nor magazine restrictions, nor suppressor moderator restrictions. 50 BMG is fine and Kalashnikov are fine provided they are in a shotgun calibre or rimfire or manually operated if centre fire. So much logic in Gun control.

[@JaredAF]

@@perarduaadastra873 oh man that is infuriating... Beautiful works of art and machinery destroyed for nothing

[@charlesdeilke8364]

The lead weights....if you wrap it in a grocery plastic bag it is easier to remove. On my service rifle I cut about 2" off front of lead weight and add lead to inside of handguards to balance at handguard , ring my A2 service rifle is 16lbs. Your cz should be shooting better than that at 50yds.try better ammo.

[@JaredAF]

i had to do the same, cut off the first 2 inches or so

[@etizzle915]

For the 457 you should use subsonic ammo if you're shooting at 100 yards you're going transonic. Idk if it's true or not but I've heard that most .22lr will actually start slowing down past 16". This makes me want to get .22's again.

[@JaredAF]

Standard velocity is subsonic

[@douglasschafer6372]

Careful with a cracked frame, My High Standard with a cracked frame started doubling and tripling on me. Actually in a younger granddaughter hands when it first happened.

[@M18Hellcat]

What a legend..proper shooting man, god damn

[@supersixx9916]

My CZ 457 with Eley Match or RWS Target rifle does sub moa on 100m with bipod and bag

[@SpaceFrawg]

In the description of Bloke's video you'll find the full rules: • centerfire ammo

[@JaredAF]

In the description of the video it doesn't say anything about centerfire edit: didn't read the google doc lol, oh well

[@SpaceFrawg]

@@JaredAF My bad, it's a link in the description to "Full Rules" and it's in the rifle section, not the ammunition section "• Any centrefire calibre" * Those blokes, always misspelling stuff :)

[@Schrodingers_kid]

I'm shocked that the second time I see someone do good in that challenge it's done with an AR-15

[@stevenwilcox9461]

Your second shot with your ar15 was a huge flyer, it didnt even hit the paper target with the black bullseye on it, your group was atleast 12" moa.

[@stevenwilcox9461]

You should be honest with yourself at least, or be better at editing your content, literally was going to subscribe until I seen your reception

[@elmer293]

You'll get a teeny bit more consistency with subsonic 22 instead of full velocity loads

[@JaredAF]

standard velocity 22 is subsonic

[@ironduke2660]

shooting sub M.O.A. groups is not particularly easy with any gun? I've hit .50 groups at 50 yds with my old mod 52 Winchester rifle quite a few times, but never consistently, ammo has a lot to do with it, unless your one of the "few" that spend thousands of dollars to hit tiny groups consistently, the avg rifle shoots about as well as your video suggests. good job!

[@jackgreenstalk777]

A2 grip is legit 👍👍

[@MyLonewolf25]

You definitely need better ammo than that CCI for 1moa You can definitely get that lower with quality ammo

[@JaredAF]

ive always had great results with cci standard

[@MyLonewolf25]

@@JaredAF Cci standard is definitely not match ammo It’s good velocity wise for hunting but not really consistent for decent bulk ammunition I always went with federal auto match But for accuracy you really need SK, Elley, or Lapua

[@freeagent4lyfe]

​@@MyLonewolf25federal auto match is literal dog shit on par with Remington thunderbolt bulk packs.

[@justintracy7226]

Where did you get the leather for the Swede? I keep meaning to get some!

[@JaredAF]

From Rob Spurrier, he's a VMR/Garand Match competitor from Colorado. If you send me an email I'll give you his

[@justintracy7226]

@@JaredAFthanks for the info! I forgot he made that stuff. I lived out in Colorado about ten years ago for a couple of years and shot with him several times in various matches, great guy! I’m pretty sure I have his email but I’ll reach out if I can’t find it. Thank you for the great videos!

[@johnlarkin5496]

I taking about bullseye pistol shooting but feel free to cover others.

[@John1911]

Love it.

[@MrBond0071984]

Yo Jared! I need your guidance. I’ve interacted with you a few times on here so figured I’d give it a shot. I’m determined to get decent at bullseye style shooting. I’m using a Beretta 92GTS. I’m still quite new to shooting pistols for accuracy and not self defensive shooting. Beretta I get past like 15ish yards my shots start hitting waaaaay low. Everything I can find online talks about recoil anticipation when hitting low. I’m very familiar with that and have for the most part overcome it. This is not that. You’re a badass long range handgun shooter and bullseye is not very popular online so I figured I’d give it a shot and ask. As always love the videos! I’m using irons btw.

[@JaredAF]

Berettas typically hit very low. You usually have to cover the target with the dot/front sight at about 25yds. I'd recommend getting an LPA/Target sight set from their website. Also for accurizing, look up WAL's conical bushing on berettaforum

[@MrBond0071984]

Awesome! I was thinking it must be something to do with the sight picture and the effect is becoming more pronounced as I increase distance. Appreciate the advice, It’s cool to see a popular “Guntuber” not just doing CQB and shit lol. Maybe there is a good how to guide on bullseye somewhere. Thanks man!

[@JaredAF]

@@MrBond0071984 I have 2 videos on the topic if you're interested. Or are you talking more so fundamentals discussion? If so gunblue490 has a great series

[@MrBond0071984]

Honestly anything and everything related to it. I appreciate the suggestions and will check them all out! Have you competed in Bullseye competitions? That’s probably a very generic term but I don’t know much about it yet.

[@JaredAF]

@@MrBond0071984 Yeah it's my main sport right now

[@blackstripefarmall814]

Hey Jared, you gonna be at Talladega for the Dday match?

[@JaredAF]

No, next event I'm heading to is Camp Perry

[@blackstripefarmall814]

Good luck.

[@brianpdaniels]

Do you have a distinguished pistol classification?

[@JaredAF]

Not yet, should have one or two after Camp Perry

[@tonygribble3577]

Ok who make that hand guard?

[@JaredAF]

RRA and White Oak

[@Obie1844]

Remember when a 3" cluster used to be pretty good for a factory rifle? No, you are a bit young for that (:

[@Johnyrocket70]

Try pulling the front sight off the ar15

[@wowsew]

Hey dude I'm a relatively new gun owner, and i noticed on a few of your videos that you shoot with 1 eye open. I've read conflicting things on this subject between both eyes or just one eye for shooting and just wondering what insight you'd have on the topic. The only info that seems to pop up for both eyes is 'situational awareness' which is valid, but not really for range shooting. Also would your insight differ for the inclusion of a red dot sight. Thanks man and keep up the content! EDIT: fuck i saw you made a video discussing this mostly in an older video, i'll just kill myself

[@JaredAF]

for absolute precision there is no reason not to close or cover one eye if leaving it open bothers/distracts you.

[@sporkstar1911]

I dont watch videos about .22 calibers, unless they're 5.7mm

[@m4rvinmartian]

*If you didn't bin your ammo before doing this, you're not very 'expert'.* All of my ammo is weighed on a thousandths scale. I take an entire box apart, then weigh every dang one of em. Put them in order.

[@JaredAF]

yeah dawg thats the type of stuff that steered me away from rifle and into pistol

[@nikos0-0mordyl39]

clickbait

[@PolenarTactical]

nope, this is normal KZbin now, you will have to get used to it

[@razr190]

1:10 ur missing the target are u blind?

[@jason200912]

10 shot group is not fair for an moa test. the standard is 5, or 3 for cheating

[@mazeofthemind560]

Bloke goes into great detail why he used a longer string, it drastically reduces the potential to luck into a good group, and puts stress on the shooter's consistency. The whole point is to highlight what a high standard 1 MOA actually is and the level of firearm and shooter necessary to achieve it, since the current discourse tends to treat it as an expectation for midrange firearms.

[@jason200912]

@@mazeofthemind560 then do 20 round string

[@JaredAF]

10 shots is a good minimum to establish any degree of statistical significance imo

[@mazeofthemind560]

@@jason200912 In fairness that tends to be the strings that I see manufacturers do when they're calculating mechanical accuracy for their own purposes, although notably NOT when they're doing it for the public's benefit (they also don't using maximum radius, they use average deviation)l That said, they probably didn't do it here because it doubles the cost of ammo, introduces shooter fatigue (especially over multiple rifles) and most important makes for more boring footage.

[@jason200912]

@@mazeofthemind560 in ww2 they used 20 rd strings and 300 meter distances. Today almost none of them do moa tests themselves but if they do, it's with a 5 shot string. If you do the 10rd string then there should be a 10-20 minute cooling period every 3 shots or so