Is this TENPOINT arrow doing a wheelie?

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@Mike-cc2eu Ай бұрын

Rich I wanted to thank you for your information that you bring Into the crossbow nation myself have learned a lot by watching these videos you put out are the new crossbows to fast?

@Deathbybunjie Ай бұрын

Never too fast! Lol but maybe the components like arrows and targets and nocks etc haven't caught up yet?

@Cloud4hundred20 Ай бұрын

@@Deathbybunjie I’m thinking maybe this fast the fins on the back of the arrow need to catch more air giving it more power to correct the front of the arrow. Or maybe even more weight in the front of the arrow those are the two things I think I would try and see what happens when doing so..

@matthewwichtner2935 Ай бұрын

If you check my comment from yesterday, that's exactly what I was saying a few of mine do occasionally. Call it a wheelie, wobble, giddy up, whatever. It's frustrating to see when it happens. And like I said yesterday, if you practice in the dark, ( I have a light over my target), with a lighted knock, it's easier to pick that movement up. I'm mostly shooting at 30 yards. Never seemed to be more than an inch or two off. When I am off. I'm not sure if I would see it at 20 yards. Maybe. I'll have to try that. It does seem to flatten out right before it hits the target. But again that's mainly at 30 yards. I wonder if it would screw up and kill shot at 25 yds. I've seen it with other shooters also. Again, not all the time. Makes you wonder. Is it the speed, weight, veins, or possibly air movement?

@robehrke6103 Ай бұрын

non railed bows need weeker spine arrows....of coarse

@matt21945 Ай бұрын

check out some super slow mo footage of bows being shot. long bows, compounds, crossbows, they all make the arrows flex when they are shot. I would imagine a 500+fps crossbow would make a bolt dang near flex in half.

@carlhaynes7044 Ай бұрын

Was that arrow’s center of gravity too far to the rear? Momentum of the shot could be pushing the center of mass ahead of itself.

@davetaylor1102 Ай бұрын

I’ll have to measure the FOC, but with a 140 grain insert it certainly is not an issue.

@joshuaowen9471 Ай бұрын

00:35 Looks to me like you need a stiffer arrow (spine)or less weight on the front of the arrow. The large mass on the front of the arrow and the power of the crossbow on the knock is causing the arrow to flex significantly. In my opinion.

@lstownley Ай бұрын

It looked like the arrow left the crossbow nock-high, and the wheelie you're talking about is it's second movement.

@weekender38 Ай бұрын

In this case, the camera doesn't lie. That bow has serious arrow flight problems which could cause a hunting failure we all dread. If you were shooting into a strong head wind, the arrow flight problem could be magnified by 10x or more. I once shot at a caribou in a stiff 40 mph wind with a Thunderhead BH, (large fixed blade). The arrow went 6' over the caribou's back and was side ways. In clam air, the improperly tuned bow would shoot about a 3" group at 40 yds. In strong wind, my problems were a show stopper and I couldn't hit a bull in the butt with a base fiddle. I would not hunt with the bow that fired the arrow in your video, no way.

@jenniferrobinson5813 Ай бұрын

Warranty time, lol. Never seen an arrow porpoise out of crossbow.

@chickimac1 Ай бұрын

Think once you reach those speeds, anything could happen

@billgalante1181 Ай бұрын

Rich, always look forward your videos, I really appreciate all you do for us, thanks so much, all hail Bunjie.

@micahklassen6326 Ай бұрын

Imagine if there was a Broadhead on the front of that bolt. Would’ve hit ridiculously high.

@georgekeith7969 Ай бұрын

Too weak a spine? Weird because zombies are a stiff spine arrow (0.152). I wonder if all his zombies do that or just that one.

@nickadams2270 Ай бұрын

Oh BTW if you look closely you can see the oscillation at the 27 second mark (and 43 second) where the arrow is arched in the opposite direction ... Clearly an indication of archers paradox..

@Cloud4hundred20 Ай бұрын

Maybe a different broadhead on it or different weights. Idk my arrows always look very straight. With no funky business but I’m also not slowing it down with slow mo cameras.

@nickadams2270 Ай бұрын

The phenomenon is called archers paradox and with the arrow shaft still having these types of extreme oscillations that far down range the indication that the arrow is grossly underspined would be concluded.. All arrows oscillate when the initial release occurs. It's because of the simple laws of physics. However this is extreme and this level of oscillation shouldn't occur that far downrange imho.. I would dare say that most of these super high speed bows have the same sort of issues if they were studied. The "spine" of the arrow can be increased by shortening the arrow lessening the amount of weight at the front or by making a stiffer shaft in it's construction..

@bokkenwielderful Ай бұрын

I had a similar result with under spined arrows. The 515, power house, might be too much for the vaunted zombie slayers. I suggest gluing a regular diameter arrow inside (400-340 rang spine usually fits with minimal gap. I have one arrow with a solid carbon fiber rod of 7.5 mm diameter glue in one the arrow feels like a weapon on it's own. I would love to see one of those loaded into a crazy powerful crossbow.

@jasonrhodus6369 Ай бұрын

I'm noticing in this one that the back of the bolt pushes up and then down range the bolt does the wheelie. You can see it in the full speed section better than in the slow-mo. It's like it's straightening itself out for the first 15 yards. Do you happen to know what grain setup he is using? You can also see the bolt flex when it left the rail. Which could be the reason the bolt broke a few shots later. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gpLbqYx3iLV4gdk

@brianmiller1149 Ай бұрын

I would be curious to see how the bow shoots with an arrow with the vanes cut off. I am wondering if something is out of tune? I have shot my X-1 out to 40 yards without fletching. As long as the wind is calm it still hits where I aim. With that arrow flight, I do not see how the arrow in your video could be stable.

@fimbul_ Ай бұрын

Does the arrow rest not perfectly align with the string path? Or are the springs inside the arrow rest of a different stiffness? A stiffer spine will most likely help, but this is extreme.

@kevindonahue7355 Ай бұрын

It needs weight more forward heavier practice piont

@davetaylor1102 Ай бұрын

140 grain insert and 150 grain field point on that arrow…yes, that’s my TRX515

@Deathbybunjie Ай бұрын

That's pretty good forward of center weight!

@JohnTomasella Ай бұрын

Look at the arrow @.44 seconds. It has a pretty good bend in it and I think the wheelie happens when it tries to correct it. Maybe a spine matched arrow won't do that? Worth another video.

@nathanmorkovsky2855 Ай бұрын

Yes, sir, looking forward to the next one❤

@robertfrancisco1193 Ай бұрын

i would say that bolt is not stiff enough for that x bow

@BackyardBroadheads Ай бұрын

Interesting

@Kurtdog63 Ай бұрын

Was each wheelie the exact same arrow?

@Deathbybunjie Ай бұрын

Probably no but same xbow

@Kurtdog63 Ай бұрын

@@Deathbybunjie Some crossbow's dry fire mechanism can do weird things pushing down on the back of the arrow and it lifts up the front of the arrow off the arrow rail. If it was the same arrow, could be vane coming in contact with something on the crossbow as it exits the latch, etc.. Also, an arrow that is longer than what is designed for the crossbow can porpoise badly. I don't have much experience with carbons, but could be a batch of arrows that had some flaw? Maybe could shoot same arrow out of other crossbows.

@sphinxios Ай бұрын

why not get a camera with better 200-500 frames a second the more the better, then it could be seen better whats really happens better. rent one for a couple of days a week for the purpose of testing. does the arrow flex/bends, is the rotating fast/slow is rotating good or does it wobble or does something else happens

@Deathbybunjie Ай бұрын

👌

@nickadams2270 Ай бұрын

Now imagine if this had a fixed blade broadhead on the front of this shaft.

@Deathbybunjie Ай бұрын

Yeah in for a wild ride for sure

@dennisrobinson753 Ай бұрын

You need credit , you are all in thank you so very much for what you do for this community, ALL HAIL BUNJIE

@Artisanwoodworks73 Ай бұрын

It looks like it's flexing down slightly as it is leaving the crossbow(the arrow). Is the arrow kicking up or is it just flexing in the air during it's flight? Kinda like a wobble? Rich, I have another question for you. During archery(crossbow) season, I have always preferred my distances to be very close. Typically I'm hunting within 25-50 feet from my "target" area. Should I be practicing to double that distance?

@Deathbybunjie Ай бұрын

Maybe not double but it always helps to have a little bit extra Comfort level, if you're good at 50 you're probably really really good at 25 I'm betting so maybe reach out to 60 or 70 yds to make 40 perfect?

@Artisanwoodworks73 Ай бұрын

@@Deathbybunjiethat’s not a bad idea. Trajectory wise that would be a flatter angle for the arrow travel too.

@melvingreen7733 Ай бұрын

Still know album like last year how can you say it’s crossbow appreciation month without it I still got my favorite tree stand stuck in my head lol😂😂😂😂

@Cloud4hundred20 Ай бұрын

What the heck.. that’s crazy I don’t think I would like that

@brianbennett4374 Ай бұрын

I feel like your picking on tenpoint. Lol😊

@Deathbybunjie Ай бұрын

Lol not my intent, just interesting stuff

@brianbennett4374 Ай бұрын

All good 👍 😊

@roberthomiak5003 Ай бұрын

All hail Bungie

@Deathbybunjie Ай бұрын

Indeed!

@TheTwztdtwitch420 Ай бұрын

All hail Bunjie!

@jonenglish6617 Ай бұрын

Great slo mo shot

@donfinley7502 Ай бұрын

I suspect, that as crossbows get faster the arrows will become more like bullets than arrows. The will need to be stiff and denser to overcome the planing issues I see in the video. Furthermore it is much cheaper to launch arrows at these speeds using gun powder or compressed air. The technology already exists.