Is this the best timer for training?

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@armorers_wrench 10 ай бұрын

I like that you don't hesitate to speak about your actual experiences. So many guntubers are literal shills. You clearly are not.

@JJCMTK 10 ай бұрын

Another helpful feature is that you can have someone film you at match in spy mode with your phone through the app and it starts with RO timer in spy mode and gives you splits on the video. Also can film a practice with timer and will show splits on video. You should play around with it, i think it would help your students.

@ikeo1 10 ай бұрын

This is the way.. I'm planning on doing some videos illustrating this capability since it think its one of the most underrated features.

@NDcompetitiveshooter 10 ай бұрын

I heard that it was always off a little at the start in spy mode, but that everything else after the first shot was good data.

@NickIF 10 ай бұрын

I wish it actually worked. Spy mode sounds awesome in theory but i can’t get it to work with multiple different timers. I reached out to shooters global three times via email and no response.

@justinmoore4088 10 ай бұрын

@Ben Stoeger Thanks for the info! Would you mind doing a video on your preferred ear protection! I've been using the cheap electronic ear muff style and see all sorts of equipment available now.

@jeff92k7 10 ай бұрын

No complaints with my AMG LAB Commander (once it finally arrived). The beep is loud, it's sensitive enough to pick up dry fire, and it has multiple presets to make it MUCH faster on the range to switch between standard time stages and par time stages; while not messing with my settings for dry fire at home (on another preset).

@johnwyliejr347 10 ай бұрын

I got to use a lab commander at our steel challenge match last weekend. I liked it a lot. Nice size , easy adjustments for sensitivity and a loud beep.

@TexasEskimo 9 ай бұрын

AMG OLED Commander is awesome. If... you don't mind waiting up to 5 months after ordering and paying. Love mine.

@upStomp 5 ай бұрын

13 months for mine.

@DefaultDadAZ 10 ай бұрын

I bought the competition electronics pocket pro without really knowing anything about timers besides seeing a lot of famous shooters online and when I sorted price low to high it was the cheapest at the time... wish I would have splurged a little more for something like a pact or the one you mentioned here. The build quality reminds me of a harbor freight free multimeter but lower tech. Not surprised to hear you broke a lot of them but seriously nobody ever talks about it. Seeing one irl for the first time was definitely a shock, at least it's simple to use...

@kurttles 10 ай бұрын

I really like the SG go timer. That being said I'm not a professional instructor. So what I use it for may not work as well in your environment. One of the biggest benefits 9f the SG timer for me is being able to adjust the volume sensitivity to pick up shots through the app. I can use the timer at a public indoor range and after some tweaking get the timer to pick up only my shots. When the lane next to you is rat tat tatting with an sbr 7.62 with a muzzle brake it'll take a minute to find the sweet spot, but I can usually get the timer to filter that out. The timer also great for dry fire which is a nice feature to practice draw and reload times if your range doesn't allow drawing from the holster. I'm not sure if other timers offer this, but with the SG timer and drills app you can actually record video and it will overlay split times on the video. I though I was a good shooter until I put myself on a shot timer and realized I SUCKED. A timer will keep you honest. I've been able to take videos and adjust my grip and stance through dry and live fire with the SG timer. It's no replacement for a class and formal, but it's definitely a good investment. I think the SG timer is really good for someone who does a lot of their training on their own with an occasional class.

@swiftaudi 10 ай бұрын

Personally I like the sg time I dislike its complexity. The one been is showing has a top screen and that’s actually a missed feature for me. Aside from that the sg is awesome

@aleks2194 10 ай бұрын

how do you set yours up for dry fire? either it picks up everything or it picks nothing up

@kurttles 10 ай бұрын

@@aleks2194 I want to say I dial the sensitivity to 40 ish and have the timer on my belt. It'll pick up reloads and the striker, but not the draw. I'll check here in a bit what the setting are for mine.

@kurttles 10 ай бұрын

@aleks2194 I looked at the timer and app and I'm honestly not sure what I did. I thought I adjusted the sensitivity, but I think that's only for live fire? I do run all my dry fire through the training section on the app in conjunction with the timer rather than the timer alone. It's set for a 9x19 handgun. You may be doing all that already as well so I apologize I couldn't be more helpful.

@aleks2194 10 ай бұрын

@@kurttles 40 sensitivity sounds more like live fire, i have mine up in the 95s for dry fire

@stephenfannin6482 10 ай бұрын

Have used the Pact III for a year or so now, not a high volume shooter but its been good with no issues, been in some light rain and it didn't seem to mind

@nicktaylor7382 10 ай бұрын

I have the original SG Timer. It has been great so far. If you are filming drills it is nice because you can have your splits and total time displayed in the video through their app.

@gaingreeneow9767 10 ай бұрын

I have the first version that you tested, and I have to say that the "beep" was too quiet for me as well..... With the new design of their latest clip for it, they actually fixed the issue and it sounds much better.... I wasn't a fan of it at first until I ran it because that was all I had.... I have to say it is the best I used yet, and awesome paired with a watch.... and the Video recording with my timer overlay seems to aid me in visually seeing what I'm doing wrong from a different perspective at times.... Firmware updates have also made things more streamlined.... ehhh well see how long she lasts tho, that's the final test for me lol

@JoakimGulbrandsen 2 ай бұрын

I have a Pact timer from 1985 that has a chronograph built in, still going strong. Cant beat that 😅

@Colonel_Flanders 10 ай бұрын

I'm currently switching between an old CED 6000 and an original Pact Timer from the 90s. They both buzz instead of beep, but they were also both less than 50 dollars on ebay.

@R41D 10 ай бұрын

my Fav thing about the SG Go timer is I can change the sensitivity of it. So when Im on the range I can use like 70% for 9mm. But when Im at home and I want to do some Dry fire drills with a Timer, I just crank that baby up to like 96-98 and it will then pickup my Dryfire shots as well.

@fluffyrider9467 10 ай бұрын

I have the SG go timer and love it. The smart dryfire mode is so nice as it picks up dryfire shots, draws and reloads. Adjustable volume is nice and the battery lasted 3 months with daily training. I also got the rangetech timer and that one is a paper weight lol

@Mr3dperformance 10 ай бұрын

I’ve had my Shot timer GO for a couple weeks now and works great. But it’s my first time so do t have a reference for comparison. My draw is getting fast so it’s working 😂. I like the “training” parameters and drills you can set up

@redgolf845 10 ай бұрын

I have been watching your videos and decided to subscribe. You put out lots of golden information, I like to learn and as retired combat arms vet I have a huge passion for firearms. The almost two hours videos you post are second to none info, thanks. I was checking out your store and I think you pretty much checked every box😂, dawn you have lots of goodies!!!

@robertlewis4745 Ай бұрын

I use the SG timer GO. For dry fire drills, i go into the app. Put all the Dry Fire drills in it and save the par times at the end of the session. Quick and easy to load the next drill with par times. I also like the spy mode for the IDPA club I shoot at. Not a deal breaker but as Ben Mentioned charging it can be a bit of an inconvenience.

@eddieperez4995 10 ай бұрын

AMG lab commander timer is underrated.

@Tauridballistics 10 ай бұрын

I have the SG timer and really like it. Setting up the training routines in app makes switching between dry fire drills super easy and convenient.

@overbuiltlimited 10 ай бұрын

I've owned every timer from Pact, CED and Double Alpha. I agree. The Kestrel is the top timer currently in production. Much more robust construction (glass filled nylon I believe), it's water proof, two screens, beep loud enough for the range and can adjust down low for dryfire in the house, replaceable batteries, clip is well thought out, easy operation. Everything I need. Haven't used the bluetooth feature. My previous go-to was the Pact MK IV. The best feature on the MKIV is the full number keypad. Very easy to change par times on the fly. I really like that. The screens go out on them pretty regularly and it's made out of the same cheap plastic as most of the CE timers. None of the other timers have really stood out to me. They all work for a time, until they dont. I greatly prefer replaceable batteries over rechargeable. Nothing worse than setting up for a class and seeing that the battery is dead on your timer because you didn't plug it in after class the day before. I bought the fancy GO timer at the same time as the Kestrel. I honestly haven't used it other than when opening the box. I could tell that the beep wasn't going to be loud enough on the range. Same cheap plastic as most of the established timers.

@onpsxmember 10 ай бұрын

Does the Kestrel has the option to use a cable to connect it to earpro without bluetooth?

@overbuiltlimited 10 ай бұрын

@@onpsxmember There are no ports for plugs on the Kestrel.

@JB22636 Ай бұрын

Im going to give the go timer a shot. When you said it was simple, I knew it was a good choice for me 😂.

@EuropaChronicles 10 ай бұрын

Great timing! I’ve been putting off buying a new shot timer because I didn’t really like any of the newer options for my needs. But this one looks perfect. I ordered it as soon as I finished watching the video just in case Ben’s endorsement causes it to sell out. Lol

@mac7977 10 ай бұрын

I bought the Kestrel shot timer when it came out. It's a lot better than electronics pro. Especially in durability and it picks up dry fire practicing. Also has pre-programed settings for dry fire & suppressor. Even 22lr suppressed.

@den_see 10 ай бұрын

A lot of people seem to like the AMG commander. It is smaller than that SG Go timer and takes batteries. The only big thing about it is the wait time. You also got to buy a holster for it if you want to attach it to your belt.

@upStomp 5 ай бұрын

13 months from order date to shipping notification for me. God help me if it ever breaks down.

@jeremycook5393 10 ай бұрын

I've had a Pact timer for years, I love it. So simple, rugged, and incredibly long battery life.

@armorers_wrench 10 ай бұрын

I just bought my first timer and its the pact club timer or something like that. I hope it doesn't break. It's definitely loud enough. I double up on ear pro cuz I'm already technically deaf in my left ear and I have zero issues hearing the timer.

@PeekInsideEverytime 10 ай бұрын

Dropped the Pact iii and it breaks easily, can’t pick up the rifle shot from 10 yards away. SG has really great app for stage plan and real time recording. That $300 is not just paying for the timer, it’s all the other features you can use on your phone.

@16apec 10 ай бұрын

Sucks that you have bad luck with the Pact. I've beat mine around quite a bit. If it's not picking up your shots you can turn up the white sensitivity screw a bit

@Jonathan906 10 ай бұрын

I'm a simple guy and mainly want a big button, a loud beep, a single par time, and a delayed start for when I'm by myself. I've been happy with Competition Electronics, except their latest firmware includes multiple par times that I seem to get tangled up in more than they help. The top mounted display on the SG Go seems like a win, because I'm almost always alone with the timer on my belt. A top-mount display means I just need to glance down to see the time. The Go seems a bit thick though. And if I have to configure par time via a bluetooth app, then it's a non-starter for me, because I change par times often during practice sessions and have no interest in juggling both phone and timer.

@shinigami1925 10 ай бұрын

Kestrel is a tank, works great, superbly customizable in settings, but no practiscore integration yet. AMG Commander works great but you’re waiting a year for them now.

@TXbeats62 2 ай бұрын

Glad I saw this. Looking to buy a timer

@frankopanklaric 10 ай бұрын

I bought a shotmaxx timer because it was the cheapest and is holding up so far. It's been 3 years.

@spacecaesar7619 10 ай бұрын

I've only ever used the Pact timer, shot pick up is occasionally spotty and it does not work with suppressed firearms. Haven't been able to find a definitive solution for suppressor use, but if ever I do find a timer that can reliably pick up suppressed shots it will be all I use.

@shibaspeed 8 ай бұрын

I wasn't sure with which timer to get. Sounds like I should pick up the SG Timer Go. Thank you for helping me save money as I was thinking of spending $300 for the larger SG Timer or the Kestrel.

@vigormindset 9 ай бұрын

I decided I wanted to upgrade my go-to timer, which had previously been the Pact. Got the Shooters Global Go, but didn’t care for the cumbersome nature of setting pars and interacting with it. Too much reliance on the app to interact with the timer (beyond) some presets, for my liking. Also, the belt clip was not available publicly when I got mine (3/24) and I did not care for the Velcro belt loop or the necklace. So, I spoke with some folks and was encouraged to get the Shooters Global original. Didn’t like that one either. Way to quiet of a buzzer and I didn’t like the two part configuration. It fell off my belt too much. Ended up going with the Kestrel which I am very happy with. That being said, I look forward to future firmware updates on the Kestrel, hoping that they allow for more integrated Kestrel app features soon.

@arrshooting 10 ай бұрын

Pact Shot Timer, the best for the money. Why? It has a very loud bip, Instant or random setting, it[s rugged, reliable, battery lasts forever and rain doesn't kill it.

@jasonsharp1241 10 ай бұрын

Kestrel is waterproof and dustproof. Needed for the range

@PitbullSoco 5 ай бұрын

The sg go has the rechargeable battery yes...but it lasts fooooreeevver

@JJCMTK 10 ай бұрын

Ben, the timer holds a long charge. May not be an issue with you using in class. Also, excellent for dry practice in conjunction with app.

@mspiredm3 10 ай бұрын

Ben, would love a vid on your favorite eye and hearing protection

@madisonberg627 10 ай бұрын

I have the expensive Shooters Global and the volume is definitely an issue especially in an indoor range. I don’t like the OS of the “GO” version because all the setting have to be set via the app in your phone and the bugs THE CRAP out of me. If the expensive shot timer actually had a good loud buzzer then it would be at least a 8/10 Shot timer… but right now it’s 5/10.

@seanismboi 2 ай бұрын

I'm pretty dissapointed with my SG Shot timer Go. Doesn't pickup dry fire half the time or registers the draw as a shot.

@upStomp 5 ай бұрын

It cracks me up that most timers still look like OG Star Trek Tri-Corders.

@Osprey1994 10 ай бұрын

I mean, the PACT timer is the one I am used to seeing. I do like the looks of the SG Go, BUT it doesn't have a ton of reviews yet.

@lunasdawghaus6339 10 ай бұрын

Special PIE timer for the win

@onpsxmember 10 ай бұрын

Is the Kestrel usable with a cable too, not using bluetooth to have the tone on the earpro? Can you test some apps maybe with an additional microphone to see if any of them are solid?

@xYaksa 10 ай бұрын

I have the go timer as well and I think you can run it while it's charging will test when I get off of work

@xYaksa 10 ай бұрын

implying that it's possible that you can have it running off a battery bank if you're at the range for a extended period

@elementary97 10 ай бұрын

@@xYaksawhy though, it lasts like 3 months and charges in 30 minutes

@calitovegas408 10 ай бұрын

I just “upgraded” to the go from the older shooters global. I got the original SG because it picks up dry fire which is awesome but other than that it kind sucks. I agree with you that the beep is not nearly loud enough, the 2 piece design was cool at first but if you run hard with it on you the timer will end up on the ground maybe or maybe not picking up shots still. Lastly it’s just too complicated. It’s hard to figure out and has to much extra unnecessary stuff going on. I like the new go way more but the only thing I don’t like is you can’t see the full shot string on the timer you have to look on the app which is pretty annoying if you’re trying to check first shot, split or transition time.

@elementary97 10 ай бұрын

You can watch all shot list on the timer. Press small button, it will stop it and then press again, it will scroll the shots

@calitovegas408 10 ай бұрын

damn thanks for the heads up man. if that works ill like that one even more@@elementary97

@vladimirlopez7840 9 ай бұрын

I have a pretty bad hearing deficit so I need a timer that has a loud beep. Why any company would design a timer with such a high pitched low volume beep is beyond me. Unfortunately as shooter we develop hearing loss over time because while using hearing protection helps it does not make it safe for our hearing because sound waves still travel through our nasal and oral pathways that are of course connected to our ears as well.

@timjames4317 10 ай бұрын

Do these timers have adjustable volume. Using these in the house without ear pro can be a bit loud. Wish i could tone things down a bit for dry fire use.

@Strandberg6 10 ай бұрын

Ben take a look att dubbel alfa ced 7000, relay loud bip.

@SuperAbsolute 10 ай бұрын

thoughts on the pact iii?

@galankaufmann 10 ай бұрын

So far so good for me, but I've only used it a handful of times.

@Glonk_Respecter 10 ай бұрын

Does it pick up suppressed rifle shots? Or does it allow you to adjust the sensitivity so you can?

@2AlphaCrew 11 күн бұрын

So… what was the other SG timer they sent you? Cuz the SG 2 (2 piece) beep is HELLA loud. I just got one. It’s great on the range and the dryfire mode is bad ass

@robertvass2756 10 ай бұрын

What do you guys think about the Special pie timer?

@lunasdawghaus6339 10 ай бұрын

I have 2. Best timer for the $

@graysonjeffords7110 10 ай бұрын

I wouldn't get it. I mean I wouldn't say it's super rugged but good enough for the occasional drop. Google on 2 yrs with it. It's not a bad timer for the money but the PACT timer might be a better one especially since it doesn't pick up dry fire shots. Thinking about trying the shooters global go timer but that one looks cheap...so may just buy the nice fancy one in Ben's video

@graysonjeffords7110 10 ай бұрын

Going on*

@LegalLifee 9 ай бұрын

I got the same timer but mine won't turn off🤷🏽‍♂️

@markstiglich3291 10 ай бұрын

What is the name of the small one you like for training?

@aceshootersacademy 10 ай бұрын

Battery life is great on these SG

@piotrkomorowski7835 10 ай бұрын

I really like AMG Lab Commander for how simple it is and how big the numbers are. I would like to try out the SG GO thou, however I'm a bit uneasy about having to set most of the the options trough the app and not the timer itself (which as far I I know is the case with GO)

@MrRtkwe 10 ай бұрын

Can you actually get those now in a reasonable time? Last I saw people were still having to wait months without any info for "in stock" orders.

@fourty-sevenkick2398 10 ай бұрын

It is sensitive enough to pick up DRY fire!!!!! Does any other pick up dry fire?

@ikeo1 10 ай бұрын

@@fourty-sevenkick2398 SG Timer is more sensitive than the AMG timer for dry fire but both will register.

@ikeo1 10 ай бұрын

@@MrRtkwe took me 9 months to get but now i use it when we RO to get the split times on matches and sync to practiscore

@ghosttrail8939 10 ай бұрын

Be great if kestrel would ask you and other trainers what you want in a simple rugged timer.

@accs222 10 ай бұрын

I sold my commander and bought one of these.

@jonw1958 10 ай бұрын

What did you not like about the Commander?

@accs222 10 ай бұрын

It's a good timer, nothing wrong with it per se. I used it with a belt clip that allowed me to flip it up and look at the screen. I was super annoyed that I couldn't just look down at the timer to see what my times were. I bought the SG go specifically because of the vertical screen, so I can look down and quickly see my time. The app also integrates with apple watch so I could use that to start the timer and/or view my time as well. I think the phone/app integration is a HUGE plus rather than a detractor. I prefer to configure the timer on my phone than dink around with button presses. The fact that you can create presets on the phone makes it much easier as well. Honestly I don't get all of the hate on the phone stuff, all of the timers are a pain in the butt configuring via buttons In my opinion. Then there's the fact that SG is: - A professional company - With customer service - Able to ship you a timer immediately vs AMG which is: - Made is some guys garage - Has a multi month lead time - Zero customer service or professionalism - No benefit other than integration with Practiscore. I am happy there is competition. I suspect this will motivate AMG to get their act together or they'll fade into irrelevance.

@joie0 10 ай бұрын

4:41 Thats what she said

@Donny_Karate 10 ай бұрын

Had mine for about 4 months. I'd personally give it a 5 stars for PERSONAL use. Being able to hold the small button to switch timer modes really quick, loud beep, spy mode (favorite feature of mine), insanely long battery life (like weeks, not days) of regular use (i do fundamental/intermediate classes professionally), and crap ton of other positives - its a solid choice for personal development. Only downer is professional use. If you gotta change par times, different settings, what not - you have to do it on your phone or whatever device. Can it be done, yes. But pro level - this is where AMG shines. I still give it a 5 of how much you can do in the personal development level. I'd say if you can figure out your phone/tablet - you can figure this out, as most of their FAQs are readily available on the app or KZbin even

@Chashun54 10 ай бұрын

My Mantis has a timer, on my phone, in my pocket. :)

@galankaufmann 10 ай бұрын

I've found my Mantis 3 to be pretty much unuseable for live fire. It just doesn't pick up shots consistently enough, no matter how I've tried to get it calibrated.