Is This the Perfect Hall Effect Joystick for the DualSense?

I’m testing out a later version of the Ginfull Hall effect joystick. It was sold as V5 and does have quite a few changes from previous versions I’ve looked at. I will look at the delays associated with the Hall effect sensor. I'll look at the gamepad tester results from one of the joysticks installed in a DualSense controller.
Joystick link: www.aliexpress.us/item/325680...
Gamepad tester website: hardwaretester.com/gamepad/
Calibration website: dualshock-tools.github.io/
0:00 Intro
1:36 Replacement
4:26 Sensor testing
8:12 Final thoughts

[@dustoffer9870]

Just got some of these today and looking forward to getting them installed and calibrated. Really appreciate your content!

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

Thanks

[@Hitokiri926]

Thank you for including the delay times! I very much appreciate the testing you have been doing!

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

Thanks

[@WhoTnT]

Thank you so much. I just replaced both my sticks and they are working great now. I was a little confused about how you got to test it with the board outside the controller but figured out that I just needed to connect the battery to test it. What I also realized is that the hall effect sticks don't have the static friction that the potentiometer strip has, so it feels quite a bit smoother.

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

Glad it went well.

[@mayankrocks89]

Been waiting for this video. Thank you for using your electrical engineering knowledge to test these.

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

Thanks, I am still working on it.

[@mayankrocks89]

@@metalplasticelectronics354 I cannot wait to see more from you.

[@yannis93blk24]

thank you very much for this calibration website, it solved my stick drift issue +1

[@camelotorc2]

I installed these about 10 months ago and have had zero issues. The centering and calibration tool being on website is just a blessing.

[@EfectoHall]

donde esta la herramienta

[@codywoodward]

The v5 just came out, they weren’t on the market 10 months ago, you likely have a ginful v1 or v2, but even the older ginful versions were already solving jitter issues and stuff, these are just slightly more refined specifically for the dualsense. Doesn’t really matter now though which one you put in now with the new calibration software out. You can even get away without the circularity circuit board that was super complicated and tedious to install. Glad to hear you’re going 10 months strong on ginfuls though. I have 2 extremerate fully custom controllers I can’t use right now because the stick drift is so bad on them. Cheers

[@camelotorc2]

I'm thinking of getting a bunch of controllers , replacing analogs and battery and sell em for profit. Glad to know jitter is removed

[@codywoodward]

Honestly unless you’re selling them online to people who know wtf a Hall effect even is. I doubt the average consumer will have any idea the difference. If they did Sony and Microsoft would have upgraded them a long time ago because it’s clear they haven’t because of planned obsolescence knowing they’ll continue to make profits every time the average gamer has to replace it with a new one. If you can get a bunch of cheap stick drift controllers though you could still get some return for fixing them either way. My recommendation and there’s someone in my city I’ve seen doing it, is just grab an extremerate rear kit with maybe some cool coloured shell replacement and sell them as a custom pro controller for like 75% of an dualsense edge controllers cost. You’ll move those all day and the kits aren’t that pricey or hard to install. Good luck

[@camelotorc2]

I live in Dubai😅

[@syn80]

Great video. After seeing your review I'll be swapping out my previous gen hall sticks with these. And I'll be recommending your video to others who might want hall effect joysticks. It's great that they keep refining these hall effect joysticks to make them better and better. It definitely beats buying a new controller every couple of months due to stick-drift. Also there is a kit for the DualSense Edge joystick modules but a calibration board needs to be used until someone can get the software calibration to work with the Edge. Currently that's just for DualShock 4 and DualSense controllers.

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

I really like these. I'm going to replace the K-Silver and the two other Ginfulls with these. But I'm going to wait. I ordered some Favor Union Hall effect joysticks, and want to check them out first.

[@syn80]

To me it would seem like that larger, different shaped magnet was a key to improving the joysticks along with tweaks to the code on the hall effect chip. If the K-Silver & Favor Union still have the older small rectangular magnet I'm confident in assuming they will be worse. Unless they somehow make up for it on the hall chip.

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

Probably so, but I do want to try the Favor Union. They have been making the joystick modules for so long, it will be interesting to see their take on the Hall effect.

[@syn80]

@@metalplasticelectronics354 hopefully it's more than a copy of previous hall-effect joysticks with the only difference being their brand/logo on them. have you seen the Ginfull hall-effect sensors? they are mint colored but have a small rectangular magnet (maybe a bit longer) you can buy just the sensors and you fit them onto a ALPS joystick that you already have.

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

No I sure haven't. Since Alps are in most of the DualSense controllers that would make for an easier upgrade.

[@The_sTress]

Just ordered mine. We'll see how it goes

[@Alexander-sc3hl]

Thank God i got this version of hall effect joystick, im sick and tired of using my controller that has stick drift.

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

I really do like these.

[@overdriver99]

cool video. so I am guess this is the best product so far... for PS5. I will buy this. thank you so much for testing.

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

They are my favorites so far.

[@Scourge1024]

Oh damn, looks like I'm ordering a new batch of Hall effect sticks. The ones currently in the mail are L-8L. Guess I'm looking for L-4B now. Thanks for the links!

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

​Do you know what magnet design is used with the L-8L sensor?

[@Scourge1024]

@@metalplasticelectronics354 I'm afraid I do not. I missed the delivery on my L-8L ones. :(

[@Scourge1024]

@@metalplasticelectronics354 so I managed to get my order but they are the L-4B's like in your video. No complaints there.

[@Scourge1024]

​@@metalplasticelectronics354 I forgot to update. I managed to get them redelivered. The magnet was the rectangular style.

[@originsmaster8140]

For anyone actually wondering about the “delay” I took the time to actually install these and tested them in game and there was no difference that I could spot. They did not feel slower despite the fact that a computer could spot the difference. It COULD just be me as this is a trial of one person but as far as I can tell you won’t even feel a performance decrease. And they have better circularity as mine were firmly at 2.1% avg error compared to the potentiometers which were all at around 12%

[@codywoodward]

I may be missing it because your testing data is a bit complicated for me to fully understand, but just for the hobbiest modders out there can break it down for me/us a little more basic on the delay differences? Like potentiometer delay is xx ms left to right and ginful v5 is xx ms left to right. Like just basic simple statistics sort of thing? Thanks for the content man it’s amazing and super helpful for a lot of people out here.

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

The potentiometer delay is only dependent on the capacitance on the output of the potentiometer. The Hall effect joysticks will have some of that delay plus the signal processing delay of the Hall sensor. The Ginfulls have an asymmetric delay time depending on which way the axis is moved. The others I've tested seem to be pretty balanced. The slew delay amounts to the minimum time it would take for the output of the Hall sensor to move over the entire range of the axis, no matter how fast the mechanical axis was moved.

[@johnholden6626]

Hey! Thanks for this video. Any video you'd recc to get some step-by-step instructions on how to install these? Would it be recommended to have a calibration board? If so, any video on how to do that too? Thanks!

[@syn80]

With these updated hall effect joysticks I see no point spending extra money and time with a calibration board unless you can't use the free calibration software (website).

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

Can take a look at this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZ3bmHuZjq2ho5osi=9VVByFNBtcd2J6Xt.

[@joshmclain3599]

Nice!!

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

Thanks!

[@supersonicsjm]

I've been watching a few of your videos on Hall Effect sensors, which ones would you recommend for Dual Shock 4/Dual Sense as I'm not sure which ones are the best?

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

I kind of like the Ginfull V5s myself. But the Favor Union feel like the original potentiometer joysticks. I haven't seen either for the DualShock 4 yet.

[@mitcheastman2660]

Appreciate the in depth review! Is there a PS4 equivalent to these sticks?

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

There are Ginfull joysticks for the PS4, but I don't know if they have the new magnet design.

[@linkssz1699]

One of my gamesir nova has a 0.0 error on both sticks when tested on that website the other has a 0.9 error.

[@Disco_Potato]

Any idea if the tension of the sticks was changed or are they still "soft" like previous Ginfulls?

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

All 3 versions I've tried feel about the same mechanically. Probably do have a bit less tension than an Alps joystick.

[@AngeloT2001]

my dualsense joysticks just started to act funky so I think is time for a replacement, already ordered them to see how good they are

[@Gamer.X]

How was it?

[@Disco_Potato]

FYI, amazon sellers seem to have L-4B marked joysticks for sale. However the ones I've purchased are still using the old magnet design.

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

Was it one of these kits: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aXK5iZV4grOWp6Msi=4wTNZvpiJeYAV56n

[@OmeliGaming]

Do you recommend calibrating with the software while the controller is disassembled or assembled? I assume the range is slightly smaller once the controller is reassembled.

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

I do a temp calibration before I put it back together just to make sure there isn't anything horribly wrong. For it to be calibrated correctly, it has to be calibrated after the controller is fully reassembled.

[@OmeliGaming]

@@metalplasticelectronics354 thanks for help. Hoping to install my first set in a couple weeks.

[@minty257]

If you're trying to avoid aliexpress, are the ggzone sticks still recommended?

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

These newer ones have a bit faster response time and seem to have an output that is closer to the range of a potentiometer joystick. I think these newer ones would be worth waiting for.

[@ferras1605]

From what I understand, they will only work specifically on a PS5 and PS4 (there is a version of this module for the PS4), due to the fact that it is not possible to calibrate the center of the module like on the v3 and the software for calibration is required? I ask because I have a Wii U pro controller and an 8bitdo pro 2 that I wanted to replace with these v5 hall effect modules, but I believe that as it is not possible to calibrate the controller it would be better to get a v3?

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

You can deform the plastic to move the center position like the K-Silver joysticks. It's just tedious.

[@zoomunkey]

where can i get the ps4 version of this module? if you dont mind providing a link somehow?

[@erol1020]

Thanks for the video. I don't know anything about soldering and I don't want to brick my controller. If I order these sticks and give them to my local repairshop for replacing, can I use them without any calibration, just right out of the box? Because I don't think they will bother with calibration like the way you show?

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

The software calibration is the easiest part, and you will end up with a more centered and circular joystick in the controller. Even if they don't calibrate them you can, it's easy.

[@erol1020]

@@metalplasticelectronics354 Thank you very much for the reply

[@dahong0711]

What is the difference between 3rd generation and 4th generation? just magnetic???

[@naliboi93]

What are your thoughts on these compared to the Jun Zheng hall effect sticks and driver boards?

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

I haven't tried the Jun Zheng sticks, so I can't say.

[@naliboi93]

@@metalplasticelectronics354 fair enough. They're quite tricky to install, but the recent V5 revisions seem more managable to install/remove as they use an FPC instead of fibreboard for the driver board. I've got a few on order (but I can't tell if mine are gonna be reseller clones as Jun Zheng isn't selling directly from his own merchant account to UK and Europe anymore). The calibration can almost be done on the fly after install and reassembly by inputting a button/combo as you power on/plug in the controller. I've managed to get as low as 3% error on the circularity testing for both of the Dualsense installs I've completed so far. But I had no idea delay issues and tests were a thing for hall effect sticks until watching this.

[@EricTheButcher]

Is it possible to install these on my thrustmaster? or is there a DIY Controller I can make

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

I don't know, sorry.

[@KNIFEDEFIANT]

Can you explain to me about the delay you mentioned in hall effect vs potentiometer sensor?

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

Probably not well. The only delay for the potentiometer joystick will be the RC time delay of the electrical circuit. It is likely somewhere in the 10s of microseconds. The different Hall effect sensors all have additional delays with them. And depending on the sensor's output impedance it will have more or less of the same RC time delay. So the Hall effect sensor is going to have a slower response time. It's just how slow is too slow.

[@KNIFEDEFIANT]

@@metalplasticelectronics354 So you know how mouse and keyboards have pollrate and most run at 500-1000hz effecting input lag? Some custom gaming controllers run at 1000hz (Just throwing a kind of random fact out there). Anyways if you had two identical controllers one has potentiometer sticks and the other had hall effect sticks. If you played plus tested both controllers on a shooter game aiming and looking left to right, would hall effect joysticks stay the same, increase, or decrease the default input lag on controller when looking and aiming around? Would it be by a noticeable amount or make almost no difference?

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

I don't know what the polling rate is on the DualSense. I would doubt it sends data to the PS5 much more than 60 times per second. If someone knows how often the DualSense sends a packet of data to the PS5, would be nice to know. Once the delay with the Hall effect is below around 10 milliseconds I think it would be very difficult to tell which one is which.

[@KNIFEDEFIANT]

@@metalplasticelectronics354 I don't want to keep bothering you with more replies, but a KZbin channel called Danie ZH does a lot of research on PlayStation console and controllers giving tips and tricks for popular games or settings. He did a video comparing input lag between Dualsense and Dualsense Edge. What was pretty cool in his findings is that the Dualsense Edge plugged in wired on PS5 runs at 1000hz pollrate but here is the link to the video below kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4rMm5JjgMyIq6M

[@DyzzBro]

So it seems like potentiometers are still king when it comes to responsiveness and low input delay right?

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

I think they will always be faster. But once it gets down to just a few milliseconds of delay, it may not matter.

[@Black-lw8nd]

I wanted to update my flydigi apex 3 with hall effect analogues, would you know which analogues it uses?

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

I sure don't.

[@Black-lw8nd]

@@metalplasticelectronics354 😭

[@rahimdamji9602]

The link doesn’t work for me. I just did the v3s on my ds4, 3 controllers and they are good I actually have some centering issues. I have a ps5 bdm 020 coming in a bought on ebay with drift to repair so I’d love to try these out

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

Try right-clicking on the link and open in a new tab or window. Seems very long URLs give problems. It's the VaalPaev store on Aliexpress.

[@rahimdamji9602]

I checked the sticks I’ve ordered way back from Ali and the r L-4b 2 for like 3.60 so I have 4.

[@OBKMONKICHI]

is there ones for xbox?

[@IamBatman225]

i have few questions: I heard that hall effects get drift due to high heat. does cooling down the temperature fix it?

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

I would expect the sensor IC to be temperature-compensated. It's not something I've tested but I haven't noticed a temperature change affecting the center position.

[@IamBatman225]

ah ok, so nothing much to worry about then huh. well, that's good to know. also I just bought a dualshock 4 with the exact same hall effects from this video and I expect it to be here tomorrow. I have a lot to test with it. If everything goes well, then I expect the controller to last forever cause I am no longer buying any controllers that don't have hall effects.

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

Do they have the V5s for the DualShock 4 now?

[@IamBatman225]

I think so.

[@kilosierraalpha]

Hi, is it possible to install halleffect joysticks on PS3 dualshock 3 gamepads?

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

I don't know. When I think about it, I don't even remember working on a PS3 controller. I'll have to look and see if I still have an old one tucked away somewhere.

[@kilosierraalpha]

@@metalplasticelectronics354 Thank you checking it out! I have a few PS3 controllers and would like to fix them and was wondering if I should try one of the hall effect joysticks. I still enjoy few games on my PS3.

[@godinhumanform9577]

Can I use these hall sticks on the dualsense edge controller?

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

I don't know, I don't have an edge to test.

[@godinhumanform9577]

@@metalplasticelectronics354 like opening one stick module and installing the Hall effect stick

[@Darviielol]

Are these usable on a dualshock 4?

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

Not on the DualShock 4s I've looked at.

[@pico5631]

are these playstation only? can't seem to find these for xbox controllers

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

I've only seen them for the DualSense.

[@ProANAS]

Please make a video and explain how can we clabrat original analog

[@syn80]

Use the calibration website. But if your stock potentiometer based joysticks are worn there's only so much it can help.

[@rgbroot]

Would this version 5 be available for Xbox too?

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

I would hope so, probably have to keep a look on AliExpress and see what pops up. Too bad search doesn't work so well on AliExpress.

[@rgbroot]

@@metalplasticelectronics354 I looked at a store on Aliexpress that I always buy from frequently, apparently this version is only available for PS4 and PS5

[@jasephase2k933]

Aliexpress link directing from v5 costing just over £8 to nearly £17 for three

[@Skills__kills]

Im trying to buy them but from your link but it doesn't ship to the USA

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

Try just finding them on the vaalpaev.aliexpress.com store and see. They were shipping to the US a couple of months ago.

[@Skills__kills]

@metalplasticelectronics354 cool thanks, also will these work on the dual sense edge?

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

I don't know.

[@Skills__kills]

Are you going to test it in the future?​@@metalplasticelectronics354

[@syn80]

The v5 I got say L4C. My tablet camera isn't good enough to read what it says on the IC.

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

It is some very tiny printing,

[@syn80]

@@metalplasticelectronics354 can the IC be programmed with different specific values? if so then it would seem that two of the exact same model chips could have two completely different values inside it. i would imagine the chip is locked so you couldn't just copy the code and reprogram chips you already have.

[@Megaramiro]

You have an interesting voice inflection.

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

Thanks

[@Kaesar_Wolf]

Did you notice over-travel of the stick?

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

It appears the calibration software takes care of that.

[@Kaesar_Wolf]

That’s great, I have a controller completely unusable due to drift on left stick. I will wait your test of FU units before making the final decision on replacement stick. Thanks for your great job.

[@ydobp]

anyone have a friend/company that could do this for me? @Metal do you offer mod/repair service? have a few controllers I can't manage to fix. don't wanna further damage them. any leads on this is appreciated thank you.

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

No, I sure don't

[@darkungels1274]

I was shocked when I knew that my 15$ controller had better accuracy and circularity than a brand new dualsense mine is 0.6% .

[@KI-ew4mb]

ホールエフェクトセンサーとしてはまだまだ改善の余地がありそう。 最良の形態に落ち着くまではジョイスティックの交換をしない方が良さそうだ。

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

I think both the Ginfull V5 and the Favor Union are good enough to use. I've been pleased with both.

[@Keblash]

So what about xbox controllers? I see all your videos are about dualsense controllers.

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

I don't have access to an Xbox so I haven't even taken apart an Xbox controller.

[@hollow314]

cool, now just have to wait if any seller in my country will import and sell this. It's really annoying to buy from ali here despite we literally neighbor countries

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

This was the best service I've ever gotten from an Aliexpress vendor.

[@hollow314]

​​@@metalplasticelectronics354Problem is from my country's custom clearance and the goofvernment ain't making it any easier for your average citizen.

[@syn80]

Maybe if there's a local electronics repair shop you can get them to order in bulk and then buy from your local repair shop. But of course that's going increase cost to you because the local shop needs to make profit.

[@hollow314]

@@syn80 we do have e-commerce to buy from but only if there are seller, repair shops here are trash - at least the console related one - the best I can find is some random technictian offer ONLY the replacement service using the hall effect modules, they don't even sell it themselves. Most if not all console related shops/repair shops (big to small) don't even know about the calibration tool that microsoft put out for the normal xbox controller let alone the calibration tool for dualschock 4 and dualsense. Maybe because I am not looking hard enough, but even controller facebook groups (yes, my country still mainly use facebook) don't even about any of the calibration tools.

[@coboldelphi]

Potentiometer is superior. Just accept its life expectancy

[@pinkanarchy50]

The ball mouse is superior to the optical mouse just accept that it gets dirty. 🤦🏽

[@pinkanarchy50]

This is the type of wasteful thinking apple tries so hard to push "just replace it" type shit you must love to litter out in the street you waste of space

[@AshT8524]

Maybe from next version they can make joystick modular so people can change joystics sensors easily without all the soldering n stuff

[@originsmaster8140]

@@AshT8524 The Sega Dreamcast already did that and if you noticed the company went broke 😂

[@Dzugashvili]

@@originsmaster8140 that was due to the ps2 having a dvd player and how easy it was to pirate. you could literally use a boot disc and then play whatever you wanted on dreamcast. sucks cause i always felt like sega were the best at creating good consoles with great games

[@originsmaster8140]

Would you say the delay time is comparable to potentiometers? I don’t really play FPSs too much so the absolute fastest time is not a must for me, but every now and then I play with my brother when he can who’s currently serving in Pakistan. So I probably wouldn’t notice a very slight difference.

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

These have a slightly different feel than a potentiometer joystick, and I think the difference is from the delay that is caused by the filtering of the sensor output. But for these in this video, it is very slight.

[@originsmaster8140]

@@metalplasticelectronics354 so if I wanted to swap them out myself, I should not really notice a change? As I said I’ll only be playing cod once or twice a month. The feel I can get used to, but what I was to know is am I gonna try to aim and see a half second delay? Because if it’s a delay difference of less than 50ms, I really don’t think I can even consider it a delay since I’m not gonna notice a significant amount of time between input and result.

[@originsmaster8140]

@@metalplasticelectronics354hey just wanted to say I actually ended up buying and installing these and in game I could not actually spot the difference between these and the potentiometers ones. If there is a delay, is so tiny that I could not actually see or feel it with the naked eye. Thank you so much. I was able to very very easily do the replacement myself despite never before using a soldering iron, all because of your videos.