Is this the rebirth of the London Prize Ring?

I was sent to American Prize Ring to react to their videos.
They claim to fight according to the London Prize Ring rules, so I'm in!
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[@GallowglassAxe]

I thought the fight was really good. I'm sure it will take awhile until people relearn how to optimize the rule set. I definitely would like to see the evolution of grappling for this.

[@EnglishMartialArts]

Yes, there are definitely things that would help, a flat surface with well marked boundaries and grass would make a big difference to the grappling I suspect.

[@GallowglassAxe]

@@EnglishMartialArts Oh I was referring to the actual grappling techniques. Like you said the takedowns he was doing was fine for MMA or ground fighting but not as effective for London Prize fighting.

[@EnglishMartialArts]

@@GallowglassAxe Ah, gotcha. The throws in themselves would need very little adjustment to make them effective, almost more a change of mindset than much of technique.

[@StevieB8363]

@@EnglishMartialArts Would a marked boundary really make a diference? AFAIK, most "rings" in the bare-knuckle days were simply rings of spectators. It wasn't possible to move past them (and potentially dangerous if the spectators were unsporting...) But a marked ring means little. Would the fight stop if someone stepped outside the ring? That would just mean another way to start another round. A solid ring would change the fight, similar to a cage match.

[@EnglishMartialArts]

The London Prize Ring rules state "That the ring shall be made on turf, and shall be four-and-twenty feet square, formed of eight stakes and ropes, the latter extending in double lines, the uppermost line being four feet from the ground, and the lower two feet from the ground. That in the centre of the ring a mark be formed, to be termed a scratch; and that at two opposite corners, as may be selected, spaces be enclosed by other marks sufficiently large for the reception of the seconds and bottle-holders, to be entitled “the corners.” Some fights undoubtedly simply had a ring of people, but that certainly wasn't the norm for championship fights.

[@paulrouleau1972]

Wow. In a way it's like stepping back in time. Enjoyed it and am interested in seeing more.

[@americanprizering509]

Thank you for the review sir! Just want you to know that was our first and id say least impressive bout. If you dont mind coming back and having a look at our latest fights! It would be an honor to get an updated review from you

[@yoeyyoey8937]

This is cool. I think if people keep doing this they’ll figure out a way to train for it

[@aresjerry]

Thanks Champ

[@EnglishMartialArts]

Thank you!

[@wendigo1619]

We fought with similar rules on the farm growing up, my cousins and i had a lot of fun beating eachother up with that ruleset because we were a bunch of farm boys (and the girls joined in to, my older sister hits like a brick and fights Muay Thai these days) who when bored if we weren't getting in trouble in town were boxing and wrestling

[@EnglishMartialArts]

For me and my mates it was mainly swordfighting...

[@schuletrip]

Your man’s wearing Adidas Samba. Course he’s British 😂

[@EnglishMartialArts]

Good point.

[@StevieB8363]

I like the concept, though I feel this particular bout didn't make the best use of the ruleset. As you have said, the throws employed didn't do much besides stop the round - a proper throw could have ended the fight. Some of the old bare-knuckle manuals advocated DROPPING on your opponent as you threw him, which would certainly have been devastating. What we saw here were more "tumbles" than throws. This seemed to be a combination of a grappler who didn't know how to use the rules to his advantage, and a striker who couldn't stay clear sufficiently to use his own strengths. I'm sure both would have learned from this though. I'll be interested to check out the other fights from this channel.

[@yoeyyoey8937]

Yeah i was thinking that too. Like if you’re gonna do an ineffective throw, at least land on them with you full weight or elbow or something

[@Davlavi]

interesting

[@Fred-px5xu]

Sir it was a lovely scrap, and I enjoyed it immensely! Definitely the best of Old English Pugulism. Once again thank you Sir and bless you and family!

[@anthonyventi1579]

Fuck yeah, let’s go!! Why the hell is BKFC not doing LPR rules?? Queensbury without gloves Is nonsense!!

[@devs.4254]

Better than an agreed round limit, they should have an agreed time limit. The current ruleset allows the better grappler to simply trip his opponent 5 times and win, whereas a 15, 20, or 30 minute fight would allow an undetermined number of rounds and much more wearing down, that I reckon would better resemble the old fights under London Prize Ring rules. I don't think multi-hour matches are feasible in this day and age, but more time would allow modern fights to resemble the old school more closely in spirit, at least.

[@Matt_PunchEnthusiast_Morris]

Something about a London style prize ring in America just doesn't sit right with me 🤣, Still a brilliant Video 👍

[@EnglishMartialArts]

Yes, American Prize Ring feels slightly off. But still a decent scrap.

[@sindriardak]

Hello mate! I found your channel recently. Just been through a terrible breakup. Ive been completely destroyed and your videos have been of such help! You must honestly be the most underrated martial art channel on KZbin. Im a lifelong martial arts fan and I scower the internet for content everyday. And what you are doing is honestly some of the most interesting work ive seen. Keep doing what youre doing man! Much love

[@EnglishMartialArts]

Thank you so m,much for taking the time to say hi. I hope you find your way to a better place soon.

[@iannolan2979]

If little Josh is Jesse it makes me wonder is “War Shaman” is a reference to “Warmaster”

[@jamescrew5460]

So if you sit on the knee and start telling the guy what you want for Christmas fights over

[@terrygribb9185]

This is boxing history. Hard to believe there is a direct link from Figg , Broughton, Belcher, Cribb, Mendoza, Demsey, Ali, Tyson and many more great champions to finally Usyk...what a heritage my sport has.

[@Stephen_Curtin]

Good stuff. Would have liked to see it go a couple more rounds, but that's easy for me to say from my chair. Fair play to both those guys for giving it a go.

[@EnglishMartialArts]

My thoughts exactly!

[@regwong9716]

This is pretty good, went to check out the other fights on the channel as well. Thanks for sharing.

[@EnglishMartialArts]

Hi Reggie, there is definite promise there, and fighters who can actually fight!

[@JackBlack-gh5yf]

You're back with a bang my friend! :) That was very interesting. I thought it worked much better with you sitting slightly off-centre, allowing for a bigger view of the fight taking place in the inset screen. Well done.

[@EnglishMartialArts]

Still finding my feet with the workflow of making it watchable, but yes, the bigger inset definitely works.

[@JackBlack-gh5yf]

@@EnglishMartialArts Good job :)

[@whim6287]

Anyone else notice Little Josh stop himself from delivering knees?

[@EnglishMartialArts]

It makes me very happy that you are calling him that!

[@whim6287]

@@EnglishMartialArts glad to bring you that happiness.

[@alexlong5705]

Good stuff but am i the only one who thinks the sitting on the knee being fed a bottle is hilarious?

[@EnglishMartialArts]

Yes. Yes you are.

[@samk.2170]

Great video! Thanks for following up on my suggestion! This video you chose to feature was one of my favorite ones, in terms of the grappling, but I think the first full fight video is also one of my favorites because of the striking and use of purring/shin kicking: kzbin.info/www/bejne/boK0qqF6rsxoqJI I've recently watched all the most recent fights on APR, sure looks promising for the rebirth of the London Prize ruleset. They've finally got a ring set up as well. Hoping to see more bare knuckle fights as well as some old school stances and movements as well. I practice a combination of drills found here on your channel, and on Tom's, at the gym, but I can only do so much with bag drills. Watching these fights really helps as well, and puts into perspective the difference between the London Prize rules and what we know as boxing and grappling today, even if they aren't quite following the ruleset in entirety.

[@EnglishMartialArts]

I'm really glad you saw this, thanks for the suggestion.

[@samk.2170]

@@EnglishMartialArts Of course!

[@fredazcarate4818]

Lad I wholeheartedly agree! Dam good rounds, and a solid performance by the protagonists. Who could ask for more. Oh yes.....I.

[@tgrt1348]

Tom's channel is awesome

[@EnglishMartialArts]

It's nice to see someone else with a focus on historical pugilism.

[@100dfrost]

Sir, I thought it was quite interesting. Thank-you.

[@EnglishMartialArts]

I suspect that you, in a similar way to me, would have liked more striking, and evasive footwork/ body movement to control the space.

[@100dfrost]

@@EnglishMartialArts I actually thought that for the art the striking was pretty good. I thought they were weak on the wrestling much as you stated. It looks like a sport for the big husky lads though. This is one I could watch without really wanting to get involved, if you catch my meaning.

[@EnglishMartialArts]

@@100dfrost Yep, that makes sense.

[@Outrider4X]

Keep up the good work! One suggestion: Maybe we could watch the fight in it's entirety in the beginning, then with pauses and in-depth analysis after? Thank you!

[@EnglishMartialArts]

That would certainly make it clearer, but there are copyright issues, and also my ramblings are already long enough.

[@Poohze01]

I really enjoyed that, and it'd be great if you did more! I think I like that rule-set, apart from the lack of kicks and blows below the belt maybe. I like a good kick. A pair of dedicated strikers fighting under these rules would make for a really good fight, I reckon.

[@EnglishMartialArts]

I can take or leave kicking in fairness. But yes, a pair of dedicated strikers would be a lot of fun.

[@andytopley314]

Another winner Oz! Really good to see the level of viewer feedback - you have an awesome ratio at the moment. As commented elsewhere if you can do a vid on nomenclature of the grapples that would be great. Look forward to the next one.

[@EnglishMartialArts]

Yeah, it does seem we are a small but committed group!

[@seanwinter4784]

Loved it, great video, best one so far, because it was to the authentic rule set and they knew what they were doing. top job

[@EnglishMartialArts]

Thank you.

[@promiscuous5761]

Thank you.

[@zachleprieur2871]

Love this video so much! Jack Slack was just talking about how there are so many names for the same thing in grappling, never heard it called a cross buttock throw. Would you do an old school grappling vids like you do the boxing ones? I know some wrestling but not much and would love to learn more about it from you.

[@EnglishMartialArts]

I'd love to do that kind of video, but they can be a little tricky as they need an extra person. If the opportunity arises then definitely.

[@zachleprieur2871]

@@EnglishMartialArts I look forward to that for sure. Thank you 😁

[@dhalav]

I don't like to kill the mood but I think you have to know. I too was enthutiastic about them, until I noticed the tattoos of some of the fighters and founders. The APR was founded by dudes belonging to Operation Werewolf, a neo-pagan and neo-volkisch movement. Some of these tattoos are clearly linked to national socialist and neo-pagan occultism. Personally it's a f-ing big no-no for me. All mention about this was removed from the original vidéos. Wish politics would stay away from pugilism, but it's is saddenly not the case. Thought it would be better to inform you.

[@EnglishMartialArts]

Oh that's very disappointing. Why can't people just be nice and punch each other in the face like gentlemen.

[@EnglishMartialArts]

Can you send me some evidence? [e-mail] Thanks.

[@dhalav]

@@EnglishMartialArts Indeed. We need to make t-shirts: "shovel hooks against intolérance" or "cross buttock for respect"

[@dhalav]

@@EnglishMartialArts sure

[@EnglishMartialArts]

@@dhalav yes, that's not a bad move.