Is THUNDERBOLTS* Secretly a DARK AVENGERS Movie?

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Written by Colton Ogburn ( / coltonogburn )
Hosted by Ryan Arey ( / ryanarey )
Edited by Harriet Lengel-Enright, Randolf Nombrado, and Ashley Lavalle
#Thunderbolts #DarkAvengers #Marvel

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[@JoeInTheElement]

Where do you feel the Sentry will fit in all of this and in the future ?

[@Marvelousgamer7697]

I could see it being Thunderbolts with a tagline. Like."Captain America: The Winter Soldier." I think they're just going to end up doing that instead of renaming the whole movie.

[@brunofelix]

They could do what they did on Falcon and the Winter Soldier and renome it just before the end credits

[@gerrym868]

That Everett Ross "I am coming" sweeted me 😂😂😂😂

[@WilliamSmith-ht8rf]

For real this had me 😵 😂😂

[@jaedynstjuste1708]

One of the many reasons YT has killed regular TV 😂

[@jermainelong6789]

💀💀💀

[@cajun4christ]

I died 😂

[@nicholasgarrick8855]

I had me dying 🤣

[@AVR0709]

I still remember the old videos of Ryan pitching theories of Dark Avengers and Thunderbolts based off of the shows and movies even before the announcement of Thunderbolts movie at SDCC. Now it comes full circle as he still theorizes how both could be merged into one single team by putting together the essence of both into the movie. Love the Screencrush team!

[@brotherjustincrowe]

Fun trivia: Ross led a team of Thunderbolts for about 22 issues, including himself, The Punisher, Ghost Rider, Elektra, Agent Venom, and Deadpool.

[@angelooglesby1230]

Very underrated run. Ghost rider was awesome.

[@jasenbertrand]

I hope that Bucky doesn't join Ross's Team in the MCU, it's hard to believe he'd be on the side of John Walker or Ross

[@shanecampbell7423]

🎵 They see Doug rollin' They hatin' 🎵

[@solvseus]

Ms. Marvel in the post credits scene with a bunch of her group: we're the Young Avengers! Kate's Hawkeye: uh, aren't we all like 30?

[@adamherrick6077]

When she said “kid superheroes” I get what they meant but kind of cringed for the first time actually in the mcu. Don’t try to tell younger gen stories, just continue to do good stories with younger characters- (wait, how old was Steve when he got frozen?)

[@amethystliacos3913]

​@adamherrick6077 He was 27 when he was frozen. Basically right in line with how old Shang Chi will be when we see him again. Kate Bishop was 22 in Hawkeye, so she'll be close to that age too. Peter and Kamala are still younger. Kamala is still only 16 in The Marvels.

[@Pharune616]

The Wyoming Avengers would definitely be called the Yellowstone Avengers. They'd mostly be doing park rangers stuff and making sure people don't get too close to bison.

[@Beezle66]

North and South Dakota don't need 2 avengers team so they'll just be called the Dakota Avengers. Kinda like a Carolina Panthers lmao

[@jaedynstjuste1708]

Bro tryna kill Sam off after his 1st outing as Captain America. Sheesh

[@NadJebrone]

Sounds good to me he’s not even a super soldier. He’s just the Falcon with a shield. Possibly the dumbest character besides Hawkeye.

[@Iceman300c]

Ryan literally said it wouldn't be an actual death and he would be imprisoned on The Raft 😭

[@chrisdorn3676]

Just want to say that Colton did a phenomenal job while Ryan was lost in the bathroom! He did an especially great job on the Deadpool & Wolverine trailer breakdown. Keep up the great work y'all!

[@amethystliacos3913]

Obsessed with this perspective! Adds emphasis to humans being terrifying and gives the Earth level characters a stake in the multiverse saga.

[@TrevonBrown306]

I literally been saying don’t get upset when they introduce Norman Osborn through dark avengers and plus , he was the one who made miles morales spider💯

[@jaedynstjuste1708]

So Peter will get to meet the MCUs Norman Osborn and meet Harry right?!

[@funkysam1345]

Dude now that u mention it. That could be a pretty cool way to get those guys. Coz Norman's pretty important even outside Spiderman. They'll change the origin story a bit in the sense u don't need oscorp, but u could still retain the essence of the characters along with Harry Osborne.

[@jaedynstjuste1708]

@@funkysam1345 right bro and Peter having already damn near killing the OG GG in NWH will make him sympathetic to the MCUs Norman Osborn which will play right into the dynamic of Peter being blindsided by one of his mentors again. Gotta love the Spider Man Lore

[@ciprianpopa2819]

In No Way Home, Osborne literally said that "There is no Osborne in this Universe", so Norman is out of the equation

[@funkysam1345]

@@ciprianpopa2819 well he said there's no Oscorp. But there definitely cld be an Osborne

[@kaazer9952]

Ryan you can't ghost us for that long and then show up without an explanation. 😅

[@MegaCloud05]

I like how in the thumbnail Willem Dafoe has that, "But you can't do this to me..." face

[@Distant_View]

I know a lot of work and money has gone into it, but Julia Louis-Dreyfus is seriously so pretty right now and is absolutely perfect in the role as a shady government agent. The costuming is also great, like she really looks like what you imagine a spy to look like, which is perfect comic-book style.

[@darknesswithin0]

11:47 Colton looks better just after two days!!!

[@IsiahBradley]

THANKS for this, Doug and Ryan!!!! Colburn, you outdid yourself this time, and that's saying something!! Excited about the MCU's future!!!!

[@MusicLover-my6fo]

I'm not sure how I'd feel about seeing Sam Wilson seemingly die at the end of Brave New World after all that amazing character development during Falcon and the Winter Solider. But if it played out something like this, I suppose the initial shock of seeing Sam lose could have a greater payoff when seeing Ross' lies be exposed. I also really hope Ghost and Red Guardian don't die as they're already underused characters, and I would really like to see them in Avengers 5 and Secret Wars.

[@PickledGamesOfficial]

Red Guardian and US Agent have essentially the same power set, so likely only one would need to die for this storyline to work

[@michellemckenna4367]

They will kill off bucky 😢

[@mon_nobi]

@@PickledGamesOfficial I thought the same thing for Quantumania, hell even Michael Douglas thought he would and should've been killed off, but lo and behold, MCU writers and execs are not often willing to make such "permanent" narrative choices

[@SA_586]

I feel Ross going to seemingly die in Brave New World After his fake death, Val will push the Thunderbolts and the team will be named after Thunderbolt Ross.

[@jasonjordan8149]

I think that series only hurt the character. Honestly thought John walker was a better character even with the lousy writing.

[@ascenelongforgotten9682]

Imagine William Dafoe in charge of the Dark Avengers!!

[@mokod3651]

If it dark then its R rated and i will be hype if it happens so

[@ScreenCrush]

Are they making Dark Avengers?

[@radiohostalastor]

Doubt it

[@carterblake3410]

@@radiohostalastor i doubt it too

[@RolfBenton]

Yes

[@BrandonDudley-pr6cv]

Kang Dynasty is still on the slate man!

[@BaithNa]

No, they're making Black Widow 2 Featuring the Super Soldiers. The Dark Avengers and Thunderbolts are supposed to be villains posing as heroes, this movie isn't that.

[@edmundwolf3905]

Good to see you are well Ryan, we love you, and need you for these analysis videos

[@izakl]

I’d love to see Thunderbolt Ross smoke a cigar again! Man were those scenes awesome 🎉

[@nicholasgarrick8855]

It because thunderbolts will have different characters joining the team ,and some will leave the team like bucky.

[@robertcarrasco4571]

I like this approach very much of Ross tacking Osborne place. The only thing I am concerned about is Fords contract. We all saw what happened in Star Wars and his demands. I am just hoping he is not contracted for just one appearance.

[@herbalt]

i mean, the man is almost 82. i can't really see him agreeing to some crazy Chris Evans/Sam Jackson 10-film deal. although, if he is going Red Hulk, then they really only need one or two movies out of him before the CGI and voice acting take over.

[@ZadiesLIVE]

ScreenCrush, Subscribed because your videos are so much fun!

[@hopeinsd]

Welcome back Ryan. You were greatly missed.

[@janmitchell3976]

at the end of the movie there will be a zemo cameo with the troubleman soundtrack playing from marvin gaye

[@MusicLover-my6fo]

Since Marvel Studios unfortunately doesn't own the IP to Spider-Man or any adjacent characters like Norman Osborn, subsisting him with Ross as a key antagonist actually is a really great idea. It keeps the focus on the idea that the governments in the MCU are just becoming more antagonistic and hostile towards superheroes. And honestly, I think the real reason why the MCU is portraying the governments in this way is to prove Magneto's point right that humanity is inferior even before he makes his MCU debut.

[@babyyoda4942]

Not great idea, ross is super old and might just die

[@Iamhassentme]

it's actually the final film in the "Harrison ford takes a big dump on a popular IP" trilogy

[@dsfddsgh]

They really should have gotten someone a bit younger to play Ross i can't see him being in more than a couple of Marvel movies he's going to be 82 in a few months time. I guess true to life they needed an old man to play the President just like what we have now with Trump and Biden.

[@ericchamu1166]

Welcome back we missed ya

[@nik1987o]

better marketing. you get more butts in the seats with "avengers" in the title.

[@BaithNa]

Or they run the risk of hurting the Avengers brand if the movie isn't good or if people see this as watering down Avengers

[@tulip7903]

i like the idea of bucky and yelena breaking off. definitely intrigued how all of them could get convinced to work together in the first place.

[@dman6261]

As always, so many cool ideas

[@Seansyoutubehandle]

3:27 this might be the hardest I’ve ever laughed at a Screencrush joke yall win

[@RobStevens64]

I don't think there's anything secret about it. There was no reason to conspicuously call attention to it otherwise. Even Pugh called it out during her backstage video.

[@brunofelix]

Another great video, as always

[@Bardometer]

3:36 had me genuinely in tears oml who edited this

[@STANGLWIRT008]

finally Ryan is back from italy. hope u enjoyed the stay

[@johnpittsii7524]

Thanks for the amazing video

[@Aidz_hrv2004]

Keep pumping out the Awesome videos guys!!

[@danbauer3669]

Keep hyping this multi billion dollar cash vacuum!

[@BlackSaiyan24]

There should be no reason characters from both movies don’t appear in both. Ross needs to be in both, as does a cameo from Captain America, Bruce Banner and Bucky Barnes.

[@ChrisValera]

Kinda sad Earth 616 doesn’t have a Norman Osborn. I was always hoping it was Oscorp that bought the old Avengers tower.

[@Valuemeal_papi]

Your theories are always so much better as of late 😢

[@traviscagle]

Ryan is back from the crapper!!

[@evrywerigoable]

3:30 she has also slept with Fury

[@josephdahl]

I wonder if Ryan Arey ever actually writes any video scripts anymore. Colton should be in the video if he wrote it

[@AlexisAdrian00]

Missed you Ryan

[@kamisatohiro6629]

"He was in the Amazon" 🤣🤣🤣 bruh

[@andraialove5452]

I want you to get the bag, talking about tier 2 british survivalis. The line between characters and people characters. Imo would be upsetting to see anyone not famed up. Even then, I would love to gush

[@Tortilla.Reform]

@3:35. Masterful use of the “I am coming” optimus drop hahah. Reminds me of that mashup clip of kamala harris saying “do not come” and trump saying “i’m gonna come” and making moaning noises of ecstasy right after

[@radiohostalastor]

Highly doubt it but it would be nice

[@clairedisapia]

I can’t wait for the Thunderbolts

[@AlexisAdrian00]

He’s back!!

0:16 MCU is 199999, not 616. 616 is the main comic book universe

[@solvseus]

Not according to Feige... 😕

@@solvseus Feige said different things every time he was asked

Also MCU characters THINK that they are 616 universe but Miguel knows that they're 199999.

[@BaithNa]

It's Thunderbolts in name only. Dark Avengers would make more sense but it's not Dark Avengers because these characters aren't evil or villainous. It's just Black Widow 2 featuring Super Soldiers because people wouldn't go see a Black Widow 2 that just used the original cast.

[@Owen-ub3fv]

That thumbnail. You did Harrison dirTAY!

[@funkysam1345]

Let's be honest; they're gonna name it dark Avengers coz u need to lure the audience to the theatres. Nd this is the only way to get ppl to the theatre to see this movie bcoz there's absolutely no clue or interest anyone has.

[@nicholasgarrick8855]

I get the feeling that while thunderbolts appears to be the yelena belova movie ,John walker will steal the show.

[@MrMovies2099]

Ryan's back!!

[@thomashallmark4065]

And all of this is stopped by Tony Stark who kills the other universe with a button in his lab, just like the comic book universe, where he did this, and became the bad guy on purpose, and was run off by the avengers, and the new iron man was Rhode's Daughter in the future, who came back to the past to rectify the situation. You know, once Deadpool brings Tony Stark back in Deadpool 3 by sacrificing himself to snap the endgame battle away, and bringing back Tony as the Crux character of the 616 who had to survive in order for the 616 not to die.

[@marcakins3373]

I really enjoyed this video and loved hearing your thoughts…Sam Wilson (imo) won’t last as Captain America, but I see his character actually dying and not needing to be imprisoned

[@JohnThrasher1]

1 full minute of ads within the first 3 minutes of the video is wild.

[@sebastiancarmona42]

Thank you for adding that optimus/ross i am coming joke 😂😂

[@mon_nobi]

But how does any of that factor into regime change in Wakanda? Because they were also clearly setting up a Wakanda and Talocan vs the world story in the global political sphere, so I don't think that gels with your theory, interesting as it may be

[@shortstuff780]

The thunderbolt going against the other universe sounds very much like fringe season 3, with alt Walter going after our Walter trying to take over the world by collapsing the others universes

[@luisfregoso7990]

Peloton joke was amazing lol

[@garyfrombrooklyn]

lol The Wyoming Avengers, the Alabama Avengers, the Florida Avengers. As for your story outline, I like it and I can see the MCU writers either kicking themselves because you pretty much said their arc or that your arc sounds better than what they gamed out for the rest of the MCU phases

[@joannadaniels8356]

Gator Loki variant must be in any Florida Avengers.

[@garyfrombrooklyn]

@@joannadaniels8356 lol exactly. And Frog Thor

[@neontigervg]

Who’s this Ryan guy, bring back the true host! where’s Colton?!?!!!

[@Jiu-JitsuJourney257]

Boo this man.

[@AlreadiWon]

This is a BRILLIANT idea that would definitely save Marvel and get the general audience back on board too! Which is exactly why I know this is never going happen 🤦🏿‍♂️

[@Chinnawatlueansungnoen]

Welcome back Ryan

[@drevandamva]

Scrolling down the timeline, I thought Ford was a pic of Vince McMahon lol

[@socraticgambler]

Ryan's back!!🎉🎉

[@CynicVash]

Ryan you got me dead 💀 laughing 🤣 3:36 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@retro_reflections]

Reckon you're in the right neighbourhood with that, Ryan - my two cents is that it'll be called 'Thunderbolts: The Dark Avengers'.

[@Commando303X]

God, your videos are more ad. than content - done with channel. Thank you.

[@noahweston-cess6396]

HES BACK

[@Jeremyjenvenne]

The paradigm shift is beginning!

[@RyanHaney55]

I think it will hit theaters with the "Thunderbolts*" title, then right before the credits roll, we'll be shown a new title card with someone (Val, maybe) saying "They will now be known as... 🎶The Dark Avengers🎵"

[@kraigpearlman3283]

No shot they kill off Captain America in this movie, Anthony Mackie's first Captain America movie. Maybe they make him look like he died or something but no way they actually kill him. And you can absolutely bet on Red Hulk getting killed off in this movie, in the typical Marvel fashion-- they don't know how to use their Villains other than as fodder to die off in a 1 movie appearance.

[@miguelh4750]

Twist : Valentina is the Baroness from Cobra

[@Germeezy]

Yooooooo did Ryan just do a Optimus is “coming” joke?!? 😂😂😂

[@davidnabbit]

I think the title change is just to get the fans foaming at the mouth, but I appreciate your theories.

[@LuizCesarFariaLC]

I think it's good with the asterisk. Let the realization that they're something dark be a surprise for some ppl at the movies

[@KtownMisfit1975]

Can't wait to see the Thunderbolts*!!

[@StrangerX9]

Thunderbolts*, is def Dark Avengers and the plot is Red Hulk/ Ross leads a team whose mission is to lead an attack on New Asguard. Ross ran on a campaign to rid the world of aliens and xenophobia (sound familiar?). The team will not be the line up you think, and a few members will die during the battle. This causes Red Hulk to personally join the fight where he battles Thor.

[@dragonnet289]

Can't wait for a dark avengers versus New avengers It's going to be like dark rain and siege from the comics

[@Klovar]

ryan is alive! 🙌🥰

[@dr.mund0339]

Still intrested in the mcu but only enough to watch KZbin videos about it lol

[@warrenreid6109]

I hope the formation of the Dark Avengers go the way you theorize that it will.

[@PavelPerez]

Is the Madam Web line the new "Somehow Palpatine returned"?

[@Speedforce-Warrior_1]

The asterisk has 6 points on it. Which could mean that it's also referencing.A star and that star might be captain america 4 Is the starting point for something far greater

[@route283east]

[11:37] But, hey! That's just a theory...a FILM THEORY!

[@soybeanz3]

I coughed up my drink at 8:00 ffs Sony 😅

[@jamied7391]

Without the Great Lakes Avengers we don't get Squirrel Girl. So there's that.

[@eljehonatan]

That explains a lot, Mr writer

[@natedog4872]

Bro this movie gonna be insane!😭😆 dark avengers fighting a red hulk towards the ending, and some will for sure die!😆😅 Give it to me lol

[@hawktriad]

I think they are setting up a situation where Red Hulk Ross will be decimated or even just outright killed during or at the end of Thunderbolts. I heard rumor of a possible World War Hulk and killing Red Hulk will being Ross to rest which really is the best. It's not a bad idea to bring in Ford to cover for Hurt but you don't want it for too long of a stretch. Who knows but I'll put my neck out there that if any of the Thunderbolts must die it will be Ross, the Red Hulk(besides didn't his daughter Betty also become a Red Hulk in the comics?)❤🔥😻⚡️🤜🤛👍💖

[@futuramayeah]

when does that footage from cinemacon come to youtube?