Is Turkey's Democracy in Danger?

[@thrasyvoulas]

As a Greek neighbour I pray that Turkish people can find their way into a more democratic and prosperous future

[@karankapoor2701]

What do you say about the greek EU socialist mep who took money from Qatar

[@thrasyvoulas]

@@karankapoor2701 that she and her accomplices should be jailed

[@ramram_1904]

W Greek person o7 as a fellow Turkish neighbor we wish you guys the best as well

[@a.p1675]

I hope the country is split. So they can't bully their neighbours that are "1/10" their size.

[@karankapoor2701]

@@thrasyvoulas it was also soo ironic to see a socialist do a back deal

[@vanbaguette7368]

Jailing opposition, politicing the judiciary... Most people would define that as dangerous.

[@azpont7275]

Fascism. It’s called fascism.

[@1ProAssassin]

@@azpont7275 That's not Facism lol. It's called solidifying your power. In this case u can also define it as abuse of power.

[@rizkyadiyanto7922]

@@azpont7275 also racism... and bigotry...

[@Notrog21]

@@azpont7275 yea it's not... people need to stop overusing Fascism... its embarrassing.

[@mehm8fatih]

​@@rizkyadiyanto7922 opposite actually, erdoğan and the akp is the liberal party when it comes to racism and immigration while the opposition is completely racist against arabs and promising to get rid of all syrian refuges

[@x_Arone_x]

As a Turkish person who was born in 2004 i can say that i never experienced democracy and saw a lot of horrible stuff that happened to my people due to insufficient government. I want to feel democracy i want to see a equal, great, economically strong and a better country in my life time but that seems unlikely :(

[@murathankayhan2312]

max 2004 lü beyni işte

[@landsman420]

Where are you from? Kurdish region, West of Istanbul, in a big city or right in central turkish anatolia?

[@waffensachverstandcom]

I hear this frequently from Turkish people abroad

[@_bbbbbbora_]

@@murathankayhan2312 agla cocuk hakli

[@anatolian6269]

@@murathankayhan2312 adam haklı yaprak

[@aytekaksu9743]

Democracy? As a turk I've never heard of that.

[@davidmarjason4222]

Well yeh, you are under a dictorship ;-; tell me when he dies and you be free. Its gonna be a long while

[@davidty2006]

might want to bring the sultan back.

[@mjbaricua7403]

@Ottoman 420 still better than Turkey's

[@user-op8fg3ny3j]

@@mjbaricua7403 "still better" didn't work in during the Arab Spring, Iraq or Afghanistan

[@macuma5533]

@@user-op8fg3ny3j Ok man If you want Erdogan there driving the turkish economy into the ground I don't know what to tell you

[@Robert89349]

His pronunciation of Kilicdaroglu gives me life.

[@thirteen2924]

you mean clutch de rowloo

[@Robert89349]

@@thirteen2924 😂

[@mehmetgurdal]

Well they are improving. :D kind of.

[@happyslappy5203]

Turkey's "Democracy"?? 😳 Turkey ranks 103rd on Democracy Index out of 167 Countries (Economist Intelligence Unit EIU), 147th among 179 countries in the liberal democracy index of the Swedish-based Varieties of Democracy (V-Dem) Institute.

[@FenolftaleinRE]

As you said, it's not really "binary". It's not like other parties can't run and can't win important elections, like Istanbul and Ankara in 2019.

[@badluck5647]

So Turkey is democracy-light?

[@frazzleboi2821]

damn

[@FenolftaleinRE]

@@badluck5647 I think that'd be mosly fair, yes. It's also important not to "essentialize" these kinds of descriptions. If Erdoğan loses the election and leaves peacefully, that'd speak strongly for the strength of the system, since it'd mean even the end of a long-lasting government (like the 16 years of Merkel) don't result in the collapse of democracy.

[@andrewwinslow9315]

The US is probably not much better. 2 parties are not working

[@ahmetben8812]

What's happening in Turkey right now is an incredible story that needs wider retelling.The tl;dr is the Turkish people never give up on democracy. There are always millions willing to fight relentlessly for it. What we are seeing in Turkey presents a lesson of global importance: Without guardrails such as freedom of speech, rule of law, and judicial independence, "democracy" can simply devolve into the tyranny of the majority, embodied in the whimsical rule of a strongman.

[@martianmartian4037]

Yes in US see how Trump and republicans are attacked day in and day out they are even trying to put him in jail on made up charges. In recent Twitter files FBI is widely involved in suppression of information. What kind of democrazy is US?

[@onatdeveci5502]

Democracy IS tyranny of the majority but what is forgotten is that democracy is also the protection of the minority

[@onatdeveci5502]

@Ethnic Nationalist You don't understand. I am not talking about ethnicities here, (but what did I expect from your username, just change it bro) majority means the electoral majority. In democratic country the government of the majority can not harm the minority because they didn't vote for the winner. This is the basic principle of democracy.

[@onatdeveci5502]

@Ethnic Nationalist Yes, but you are partially right. I think that the UK is much more democratic than the US. Democracy is a spectrum ranging from things such as autocracies, ochlocrasies and oligarchies to real genuine democracies.

[@onatdeveci5502]

@Ethnic Nationalist I'm happy for you brother, wish us luck so that we might join you in the future.

[@myneighbourjohnturturro]

Turkey’s democracy has always been fragile, the Republic was initially run as a one-party state and their transition to a multi-party system was marred by instability and corruption. I do feel that Erdogan has outstayed his term and if the people want change the honourable thing to do would be to listen and respect the outcome.

[@worldmapping4895]

sadly this is true. If Ataturk was slower with the transition turkey would be a much different country today

[@martianmartian4037]

In US present administration is trying to get Trump jailed. Present US administration is even more fanatic in suppressing information. Is US also autrocracy?

[@worldmapping4895]

@@martianmartian4037 unlike usa turkey has a corrupt presidential system where 120 billion dollars disappeared from the central bank 2 years ago with nobody asking a thing, a corrupt and collapsed judicial system tied to the government, a constitution that isnt protected and a nation that can likely enter civil war at any moment. you gave an example of the us system trying to imprison trump, if trump was in turkey he would easily be imprisoned due to courts kneeling to the government. there is no protocol or procedure left, its all tied to one man. the usa isnt like that

[@cazwalt9013]

Turkey never had democracy and erdogan is just another ataturk but with a different flavor

[@rebellefleur2993]

And I don't think Europe has democracy. Everything is determined in advance, up to the people we choose.

[@johnjengizholden5531]

I've been waiting for this video for a week. Thank you

[@MC-yt1uv]

It is quite sad how common and successful, invading or attacking other countries can be at increasing the popularity of failing politicians. We should always be sceptical of politicians that claim to be patriots but are only concerned with hurting others.

[@mertcankaya279]

It worked with George Bush. He win the election thanks to Irak invasion. Erdoğan trying to do same. But I do not think small victory in Syria or threating Greece will not increase his poll numbers.

[@worldmapping4895]

Luckily these missions in syria and iraq aren going to touch erdogans support at all. People have finally noticed those are all BS stuff and nobody bats an eye at them.

[@HelicopterShownUp]

Patriotism begets war, war begets patriotism. It's a vicious cycle.

[@MichaelDavis-mk4me]

@@HelicopterShownUp Until you get your ass kicked or your economy crumbles into dust, the latter seems likely if Turkey starts a major war with Syria.

[@noneofyourbusiness4830]

Also, military service is mandatory in Turkey. So the leader can force people to risk their lives in some pointless war. And subject them to abuse in peacetime.

[@Daal169]

Greeks wish Turkish people to find a prosperous and democratic future. Mainly because we see the increasingly arsenine rhetoric that Turkish goverment uses against Greece, and fear that when push comes to shove, a war could errupt.

[@x_Arone_x]

I don't think a war can happen but i do believe that both of our political leaders use threats as a way to gain votes from the radical sides of the political compass, which makes me upset seeing people get sad because of fake stupid threats made by corrupt officials :(

[@zamazingo2819]

dont keep militarizing the islands next to turkish coast then.. they should remain neutral according to international treaties and law.. your main foreign policy is trying to intimidate türkiye by complaining to foreign powers.. sleepy joe biden with alzheimer and little french midget macron have been your guardians.. americans have turned your country into a military base, and you follow a hostile policy towards türkiye with hate being in the center of it.. a "democratic turkey" according to you is one that will give up on its rights in the aegean, east med. and cyprus..

[@onatdeveci5502]

I think it's funny how after the Republic was created and there was still great animosity between Greece and Turkey, Venizelos and Atatürk cooled tensions and started cooperating. They were real statesman

[@exosproudmamabear558]

Erdogan isnt the one provoking Greece tho it is America. America really doesnt like Erdogan so it pushes an agenda to show him as a warmongering tyrant. Although Erdogan is a tyrant through and through he isnt war mongering at all.

[@MoReal2]

Dollars

[@stivenstivens]

Is sad that a country this big can be destroyed by just one man .

[@georgedevries3992]

You're kidding? I'm overjoyed! Merry Christmas!

[@testnameplsignore6916]

@@georgedevries3992 why 😢

[@prof5282]

I wouldn't say making your country a global power is destroying it. Man since the start has been doing great. As soon as covid and the war hit turkey suffered a lot in its economy. I mean which country right now isn't going through an economic crisis. Turkey just has it worse. "Destroyed"? aren't people dying in the UK because its whole healthcare/transport workforce went out on strike? I mean who destroyed who?

[@georgedevries3992]

@@testnameplsignore6916 Why? Because through his actions, Turkey becomes all the more unreliable and untrustworthy in the eyes of Washington and Brussels. Plus, they fucking deserve it, for all the shit they've caused throughout history and even 'till this very day to all of their neighboring countries.

[@daskas]

@@testnameplsignore6916 trolün biri takma, ardı yanmış 😂

[@theamorphousflatsch2699]

,,Im not questioning your democracy, im denying its existence" -Tyrion Lannister

[@tkendirli]

:)) nice quote but irrelevant.

[@theamorphousflatsch2699]

@@tkendirli really? On a technical level the turkish democracy is unable to function and the people are doing nothing to stop it. Taking into account that the turkish president is an opportunistic criminal, i believe this quote fits pretty well.

[@tkendirli]

@@theamorphousflatsch2699 tell me about others by example UK or USA does it function? :))) You are voting for the same people for 50 years. Democracy itself is an illusion. Name Biden as example for how long is he working inside the senate? Pick up Pelosi and try to learn her connections.

[@theamorphousflatsch2699]

@@tkendirli Whats funny is, you have absolutely no evidence to back your claims, while in the case of turkey, you can literally google its polititcal history since 2001 and see the decline of liberty. In the case of the west, nothing has really changed, the politicians are just as corrupt as they were 60 years ago but they still in a sense need to do what they promised in their campaigns or they lose the next vote. Biden has been in the senate for most if his career because its unironically his job. The wests democracy is by no means perfect but it works well enough for there to be no revolution. In the case of turkey, its people seemed to have lost their backbone.

[@tkendirli]

@@theamorphousflatsch2699 if you Google it what you can find is only western media outlets and reports. Remember the white helmets by example. I am living in Turkey. So i am still voting. And as an outsider you feel yourself more knowledgeable than me? Wooow good.

[@h.m.3533]

my god if I hear 'Cutch Deloru' one more time...

[@noldo3837]

That is part of current English... All European continent tries to pronounce each others names correctly, but English speakers simply butcher it... Take a look at their pronounciation of ancient Greek, Latin or other names, zero respect.

[@FarnhamJ07]

@@noldo3837 I'm be the first to agree that TLDR needs to put a lot more effort into pronouncing foreign names, but you are kidding yourself if you think this is unique to English. You notice it more often because it's the global lingua franca, not because speakers of other languages put more effort in. I challenge you to recall the last time you heard a Thai speaker pronounce a Turkish name.

[@noldo3837]

@@FarnhamJ07 Thank you... I did not want to start judging non-europan languages, as I have no clue in there, so I have only compared English to most European I know. Regarding ancient Rome and Greece names, which are common in mathematics, philosophy et c., there was tought how to pronounce them still in 19th century, as Latin and Greek was part of the classical education, but in 20th century it was switched... On the other hand - both sides have to understand words the same, to be able to communicate. If he pronounced it correctly, but the audience was used to different pronounciation (the wrong one), it would be of no use.

[@7FlyingPenguin]

@@FarnhamJ07 Same goes the other way, I live in Greece and people here routinely butcher English names with no realisation. I have no problem with this and would never expect someone to pronounce names from another language correctly, unless perhaps they had actually lived there for a long time.

[@nonick969]

Your ads for nebula are unbearable. I will never buy nebula

[@lilin_]

yeah they are too much

[@dyskr]

Yeah it just comes across as desperate

[@bababababababa6124]

I wonder if anybody actually uses that site 😂😂

[@FictionHubZA]

@@bababababababa6124 I think about 50 000 to 500 000 people have it. I don't remember who said that.

[@cemcapar8981]

My man is butchering the names of the politicians 😂

[@bababababababa6124]

Well he isn’t Turkish so that’s expected

[@FairyCRat]

British people try to pronounce foreign names challenge (99% fail)

[@PresidentFlip]

He almost said Kilicdaroglu right but can’t say Imamoglu

[@HOPEfullBoi01]

@@PresidentFlip No he absolutely didn't lmao that was the most hilarious one

[@PresidentFlip]

@@HOPEfullBoi01 he got the pronunciation right with the wrong stressing of the syllables

[@reaperz5677]

"Is Turkeys democracy in danger???!!" Yes lol

[@martianmartian4037]

Yes in US see how Trump and republicans are attacked day in and day out they are even trying to put him in jail on made up charges. In recent Twitter files FBI is widely involved in suppression of information. What kind of democrazy is US?

[@a.p1675]

No! What democracy?

[@DarkyTalky]

Diktamocracy xd

[@andraxxusnephilem9423]

Turkey's problem is not lack of democracy. Its not like someones elected contrary to people's decisions, nor there is vote falsification etc. The thing is, had some leader did what Erdogan did to economy or foreign relations in any civilized country, he couldn't meet electoral threshold. Yet in Turkey, he is still loved, admired and even praised by millions. To a degree that most people will acknowledge economy is bad, but also say it would have been worse if not for Erdogan's great economical methods... Appearant lack of democracy is not the problem; its merely a symptom of far more serious problems. I dare say, perhaps Turkey is TOO democratic and some people just shouldn't be allowed to vote... I mean, here you have to finish high school to get a drivers licence. Anything less, and you are deemed incapable of operating a device with a wheel and two pedals, yet a person who can't read or count will still have a say in how Turkey's macro economic policy should be handled.

[@emregunel4171]

İşte bu demokrasinin çıkmazıdır.Bundan ilk sokrates bahsediyor hatta meşhur gemi mürettabatı örneğine bak.

[@Avrelianvs]

The problem is the idiocy of the system. Atatürk did not think his laws through...

[@megalosauru]

Turkey was ever a democracy? Since when?

[@ramram_1904]

In the past things were great actually. Economy and such have been going horrible only these past few years... I can't help but wonder if it's due to the man getting too old to rule :/ cause the dude actually saved Turkey's economic crisis in the past and now he's destroying everything he built in the past with his current actions...

[@burakayan3360]

since Atatürk.

[@emreo7123]

Sincw it follows the criterieas for being one her under having voting rights

[@hungrymusicwolf]

​@@ramram_1904 Sadly people with status and power often get a lot of yes men, followed by a lot of people vying for their position. Which causes a lot of paranoia enabled by yes men, followed by conspiracy theories and mad power grabs to protect themselves from the people vying for their position. Strong institutions and a population that will fight if they feel their democracy is threatened are the best solution I know to this problem. I wish you guys the best in Turkey, and I hope you find your way out.

[@Arshahan]

@@burakayan3360 Ataturk we as a fascist. Democrat lol...

[@mariosbardis4831]

I know he is not native Turkish speaker, and neither am I, but his pronunciation if Kiliçdaroğlu is so funny 😂

[@tillposer]

For Anglophone, the transliteration would be keelitch-duhr-oloo.

[@houseontherock8345]

They haven’t been a democracy in some time. I’m praying for the Turkish people!!

[@canerdemirel2690]

If you're talking about a democracy like Iraq or Afghanistan. No, thanks

[@houseontherock8345]

@@canerdemirel2690 Taliban, which is currently in control of Afghanistan, is no democracy lol

[@houseontherock8345]

@João P K there also talking about what Erdogan has done. Turkey was far closer to being democratic before he took office.

[@mohammed9w553]

@@houseontherock8345 Turkish people elected erdogan and turkish people stood with him against the coup in 2016 while you and other westerners hate turkish people because they f*cuked you up at the time of the ottoman empire so don't pretend you want what's good for them , you are sacred for your own skin as you should be.

[@nett6806]

Thank you for an excellent video!

[@Erdolen]

He knows Turkiye better than lots of Turks. Congrats, it's a great video.

[@zahfys]

Great video ! Thx 👍

[@ryufrank]

I saw the word "Democracy" in the subject, heard it dozens of times in the video, and yet I don't understand how anything described in this video resembles a Democracy!

[@roberto789shadow]

After you get the opposition into jail for no proper reason? Yeah, they are another autocracy, nothing more.

[@martianmartian4037]

In US present administration is trying to get Trump jailed. Present US administration is even more fanatic in suppressing information. Is US also autrocracy?

[@prof5282]

His not actually going into prison you know that right?

[@kemaldemirel1714]

@@prof5282 He is banned from being elected and if he does politics after the decision is finalized. He is going into the prison for real. I would say that is pretty much the same thing.

[@prof5282]

@@kemaldemirel1714 He is not going to prison. What he does after doesn't concern me. Stop gas lighting people.

[@kemaldemirel1714]

​@@prof5282 But he is going to prison?

[@wamingo]

If you don't vote, the wrong people tend to get elected. Make sure you vote. It doesn't matter for who, just go vote.

[@ferhatdikmen3762]

If you don't vote , you don't have a right to complain.

[@emirefli]

There are a lot of steps between citizens voting and citizens learning who their leaders are. Voting by itself in general is not enough

[@yulugtigin]

Turnout rate was 86% in the last elections. It was 66% in the US presidential elections.

[@jurassicthunder]

@@ferhatdikmen3762 that's stupid. you voted a dictator in while I didn't. I'm the one to blame?

[@ferhatdikmen3762]

@@jurassicthunder how can you assume that I wote for him? I am talking about the %3-4 who didn't wote on purpose and always complains .

[@denny6379]

erdogan and democracy don't go together😂😂

[@tauceti8060]

Shouldnt a central bank be independant of the state?

[@09csr]

Doesn't have to be. The Swedish "Riksbank" (lit. realm bank) is state-run. It is however managed at an arms length from the gov, so it tends to focus solely on maintaining our currency, and politicians doesn't have much say in their operations.

[@idraote]

In the EU it must. Elsewhere it is not a given.

[@noneofyourbusiness4830]

It's good to be in the Eurozone, cause then one government can't just start printing money like crazy.

[@recep2939]

Well it was, after the new "presidental system" Erdoğan now has a direct control over it.

[@atakanpayman]

@@09csr Well. I suppose what he/she meant was autonomy. No central bank can be 100% independent.

[@Thecrownswill]

Duh, obviously. That's like asking "have I been shot?" after you've bled out.

[@gildedphoenix]

As someone who has been supporting the opposition parties since 2011, I must say, Turkish democracy is technically a democracy, but practically a cult of personality based demagoguery turning into pseudo-dictatorship. And the cause is funny, it's the liberals and Fetullah Gülen movement supporting Erdoğan in 2000's to make Turkey more "moderate Islamist" and westernized democratic country. But what happened was, Turkey was stripped off by its armed forces protecting that fragile democracy by two so-called coup conspiracies, which allowed Gulen insert his men into the army (which will cause the coup atttempt a decade or so later), allowed PKK to regrow its cells in Turkish soil by "Açılım Hareketi" and terrorism increased by a large margin that empowered Erdoğan even more than he was. Which lead to Erdoğan vs Gülen in 2015, that was the end of diminishing democracy in Turkey and beginning of steps to dictatorship, we're still at this stage, but if Erdoğan wins the next election, which I highly doubt will happen, then we can actually worry that Turkish democracy is going to be gone for good. But there is a silver lining: Ekrem İmamoğlu, the mayor of İstanbul (this is relevant, non-Turkish readers), is now being banned from political scene. Just like Erdoğan once was. Yes. Erdoğan that you look at as the evil guy was once your beloved hero of democracy in 2000's by reading a poem, he was sentenced for threatening Turkish secularism (it has an aggressive and religious tone to it to say the least). Then his sentenced was lifted by CHP's appeal (who were in the opposition back then as well). Now Ekrem is being sentenced, he reads a poem and the mayor of the Turkey's biggest city. Erdoğan is created his old self when he was first elected, and this is most likely be the cause his loss (hopefully). Turkish people on average loves the victimed underdog and really hates when someone in power especially openly bullies the underdog. So it's just a matter of wheter CHP will pull this off successfully or not.

[@mehmetgurdal]

You know? This sounds hell of like the story of star wars prequel triology. :D Everything fits in place; Erdoğan=Palpatine (but dumber) Gülen =dooku (but with zero vision)

[@danielgeiszler2026]

A for effort on the names

[@stuartbh8165]

I always imagine Erdogan sat in bed on his laptop watching some facebook mums video about interest rate conspiracies, and just being utterly convinced to the extent he crashes his economy

[@skp8748]

He's literally an economist himself

[@georgios_5342]

I'm Greek, and I respect the Turkish people. But I want to honestly ask this: when did Turkey ever have real democracy?

[@LevisH21]

real democracy doesn't exist not even in the West tbh. but when it comes to Turkey, what do you expect from a Islamic country. democracy is a Western idea and only functions in Western cultures and some Asian countries (Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Taiwan).

[@_Anatolian_]

@@LevisH21 Turkey is secular you moron.

[@Intellectualodysseyai]

@@LevisH21 you guys might want to read about Ataturk, he was pretty pro democracy. That being said Turks have always been plagued with corruption and inequality. The exoskeleton is there for democracy, but it requires some powerful people and institutions to make it happen

[@LevisH21]

@@Intellectualodysseyai Atatürk is considered a traitor to all fundametalist Muslims for his anti-Islamic laws. he might be a hero for some secular Turks, but hard to believe that Muslims around the world see him as one of their own. a Turkish woman in Germany once told me that Atatürk was a dictator because of his anti-Islamic laws. she was a hardcore Muslim so she doesn't give a fuck about democracy or secularism.

[@Intellectualodysseyai]

@@LevisH21 you can't put Muslims into one category and base your point. Ataturk is a Turkish leader, not a Muslim leader, overwhelming large majority of Turks love him, this is a fact not an opinion. There is a growing group of Erdogan followers who no longer see his past positively, but that is definitely in the minority, most people including conservative Turks view him very positively

[@efeegemen7979]

I don't want democracy. We saw what democracy did to Syria, Iraq and many countries..

[@Treblady]

I just realized Turkey is located in a region near a bunch of autocratic nations

[@bbo1707]

Turkey would never attack Greece in any form for any reason and vice versa. That is all bark and no bite from both countries. Turkey does occupy a border region of Syria for many reasons, prime being keeping refuges out of Turkey proper. It is possible Syrian military operations can be upscaled due to real security reasons or invented political reasons but it can never go up to the level of an invasion. There is no public support for it.

[@georgedevries3992]

It's not BOTH countries. Turkey is the provocateur. Always has been. Get your shit together.

[@s.p9638]

as a turkish person I can confirm that turkish democracy has effectively ceased to exist after 2017 when turkey changed its system to a presidential one. Unfortunately we have lost most of our democratic republican institutions since then and the legal system had already been hijacked by islamofascists a decade ago. You may look at the reforms and lawsuits that AKP launched between 2004 - 2015 to better understand what is going on right now(and the Gulenist movement that predates it). Their ultimate aim has always been to destroy turkish democracy. Yet turkey was never a fully fledged democracy tbh where rule of law had always been guaranteed, it was still a country where laws and institutions were respected and trusted in general. Most of us see these elections as our last chance to reclaim our country back or else we will be totally crushed. Very heavy cencorship and outright targeting of minority groups such as lgbt community, atheists and even women by the government is widespread and has been the main policy of AKP for years.

[@gilgameschvonuruk4982]

Doesn't France have a Presidential System as well ?

[@s.p9638]

@@gilgameschvonuruk4982 the problem is not presidential system itself but rather how AKP shaped it into something authoritarian that only serves the partisans and not the citizens. You must keep in mind that legal system has been totally compromised in turkey for a decade or so. Everything would be much better if the government enforced even these repressive laws by the way but they mostly choose not to in order to have leverage on their newly established kleptocratic elites.

[@haliltemizkan8184]

@@gilgameschvonuruk4982France is Semi-Presedential it's not same as Turkey. It's a very unique case when it comes to Turkey. Plus France supports bicameralism, trying to divide its power.

[@alisagman362]

Bro Erdogan is term-limited in 2028 even if he does win, so Turkish democracy that you seem to value so so much will come back, yet you will still complain, because a democratic republic can never bring you anything good

[@s.p9638]

@@alisagman362 self criticisim is necesaary otherwise you would end up in a society where the head of ministry of family and women makes an announcement that justifies what happened about a severe child abuse case that effected 42 children throughout an extended period of time and says it is okay since this happened only once(literally exact words of her). This is the kind of society you want to live in and congrats! you live in it.

[@petesperandio]

When in doubt, there is no doubt. If you seriously have to ask the question, then you already know the answer.

[@allthenewsordeath5772]

Turkey still has a democracy? I thought they got rid of that in like 2015.

[@Yasinburak1992]

Well as a turk living in the US, it’s odd. Turkish democracy is a very different thing and story. 1923 till Ataturks death, the government was a one party military state. After his death and transfer to a multi party state it didn’t work out well, 1960 coup, 1970, 1980 1990 and 2016 just proved the system is unstable and military corruption. Turkey needs major reforms, and the military needs to stay out of politics like the US.

[@lman1814]

whats your opinion on democracy in greece? Since its been a democracy besides 1967 to 1974. I know the current leadership is more authoritarian then other governments but its still a fair and free democracy. So i want to know a turks opinion on this

[@atakanpayman]

@@lman1814 I believe the integration with the EU was an important turning point for the democracy of Greece. I wouldnt put Greece as much more democratic than Turkey if we exclude Erdoğan's Presidential regieme.

[@jeffreyadams648]

Nope. Never will be. Never was. They seem to need a dictator. A very simple people.

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[@tremedar]

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[@tremedar]

@@James--Parker It hurts that I could hear several people making that ad. Fuckin R:SL!

[@antiochianius]

Turkey is not on the same axis with the understanding of democracy in western countries and does not have the right to criticize Turkey because the westerners have many shortcomings. Also Turkey lives in a very difficult geography and people are under the influence of different nations. It may be strange for westerners, but events in our country are none of your business.

[@yasirsahin3754]

Turkey was actually a good democracy from 2002 until 2013. A booming ecoonomy, advancing democracy and rights. Since then things got worse.

[@sadrick1639]

Tarikatlar ve aşiretler yok edilmediği sürece bu ülkeye huzur yok. Tarikatların ve aşiretlerin kendi kanunları vardır ve devletin varlığını tanımazlar. Varlıkları TERÖRİZMİ besler. 15 Temmuz darbesi ve diğer darbeler buna örnek gösterilebilir. Yunan dini lideri yüzünden Kıbrıs 2'ye bölündü.

[@Memanruler]

If Turkey falls to deep economic despair, my worry goes out to the Kurds who'll have to deal with the brunt of a new rising authoritarianism.

[@louisbeerreviews8964]

It’s Türkyie

[@ΤακηςΔημητριου-ξ7σ]

@@louisbeerreviews8964 nobody cares about your nationalist feeling to talk to another languase with turkish language,so it's turkey in English

[@1verstapp]

its a democracy? /s

[@williamkarbala5718]

No, not only is Turkeys democracy not in danger, I would argue Turkeys dictatorship is in danger, I discovered there's a correlation between how democratic a country is and what precent of its population are renters and Turkey is very high on the renters scale. Turkey is ripe for a democratic revolution not dictatorship.

[@seadkolasinac7220]

'Turkey is ripe for a democratic revolution' -- how will that come about?

[@seadkolasinac7220]

and btw China has tons of home ownership, France has less, it's not a perfect correlation

[@williamkarbala5718]

@@seadkolasinac7220 Im saying more home ownership = less democracy, you just proved my point. The other thing I've discovered is high rates of Urban population = more democracy. China has a larger rural pop and France and Turkey have higher ones.

[@randomlygeneratedname7171]

@@williamkarbala5718urban and rural population has nothing to do with a form of government either.

[@Intellectualodysseyai]

None of those really paint a picture in Turkey, but rather the embedded cultural democracy that was created by Mustafa Kemal Attaturk. He has incorporated freedom and democracy into the Turkish society, we utter these words very frequently and it is in our roots. I believe it sets Turk's apart from other societies such as China, because the seed was planted during the birth of the Country and has become our very symbol. We have definitely lost our way, not necessarily in terms of ideology but with our weakness and obsession with powerful figures who shape our future, perhaps in search for the next Attaturk. But we have learned that everything comes at a cost, and some costs are not worth our freedom

[@johni9073]

A tip for pronouncing the Turkish "soft" g - the one with a semi-circle above it. Think of it as the equivalent of the English "gh" - i.e. pretty silent, and lengthening the sound of the preceding vowel.

[@aliartk9155]

Gh = f in english low logic

[@turbulantarchitect5286]

In India, Modi and his party doing similar things. 2024 will crucial for Indian democracy.

[@shivanshsahu6246]

🥴

[@TraumatisedTyrone]

No, Turkey never was a democracy to begin with

[@rad4924]

Turkey birds are more democratic than Turkey the country.

[@louisbeerreviews8964]

It’s Türkyie

[@fizkall]

The politician who was thrown into prison insulted the interior minister

[@koantao8321]

I signed up for your bundle in offer however, after two days it was shut down. I wrote to ask why on Monday, but still no reply. I took a similar offer last year and I really enjoyed it. :(

[@ItsRogerSmith]

"Banned from politics" What a stupid way to declare yourself as a dictator by simply banning your opponents!

[@sshender3773]

What Democracy? Turkey was never a true liberal democracy even before Sultan Erdogan came on the scene, and has devolved into full authoritarianism in the past 2 decades. Turkey is little different to Putin's Russia, just with smaller territorial ambitions and less of an axe to grind with the West. Same megalomaniacal autocrat clinging to power. Similar post imperialist trauma and ambitions. Same visions of historical grandeur. Similar persecution of the opposition and the independent media. And the list goes on and on...

[@handlemyece]

Amazing video, but when you started pronouncing possible candidates names, it made me laugh haha

[@liofalba]

Gotta love those pronounciations

[@skylineXpert]

Power Is like cocaine the more you have snufed, the more you want.

[@reddude3086]

5:47 that woman is an exception. As a staunch opposition supporter I support whatever punishment given to that woman called Canan Kaftancıoğlu who had clear ties with terrorist organisations and called Atatürk ''Murderer''.

[@reddude3086]

@@user-qo1rd6ub8h what are you even telling bro you need to learn some english

[@Keln02]

Just remember... All those autocrats are growing older... Most of us will outlive them.

[@KhaalixD]

Great video!

[@tarantula51]

artaturk is very dissapointed

[@FictionHubZA]

He set Turkey up for success just for this current fool to ruin his legacy.

[@tarantula51]

@@user-qo1rd6ub8h how? didnt he make turkeye into a democracy from a tyranny?

[@benjauron5873]

Just looking at the title, it's fugging hilarious. Turkey hasn't been a democracy for nigh-on 20 years!

[@wolfgangrenner4152]

When talking about Turkeys pollings, it would have been worthfull to explain what all candidats want to do in future. Especially according EU, Ukraine, NATO compliance and further themes interesting for global / european visitors. Nobody knows what Turkey really wants. But Erdogan probably wants to get the old Ottoman Empire back, like Putin wants to get the old Sowjet Union from before 1990 back. Even by force.

[@ortahopaninsefiri]

erdogan is just mafia. he just wants to stay in power. his associates sell guns to terrorist organizations, they run drugs, they get extremely ludicrous constraction contracts and erdogan gets a cut from all of this. he is a phony his politics are based on islam but he would nuke kaaba if it was what it takes to hold on to power. thats it

[@wolfgangrenner4152]

@@ortahopaninsefiri Perhaps this is to simple seen. Erdogan does some good job in negotiations between Ukraine and Russia. Western politicians have no wire to Putin, to realize grain exports from Ukraine to Africa etc. during this war times. What Erdogan stands for, is known to the entire world from his beginings. When Erdogan became president of Turkey every one in EU space knew, that he will not search any cooperation with EU and NATO. No, he is an islamic fundamentalist going against Western values. Nearly as ugly like the Mullahs in Teheran. But Turkey has a special geographic position between Europe, Russia, islamic West Asia and Africa. And Turkey must cope with all challanges given from this topology. It is similar to Ukraine, which is for centuries the battlefield between Russia and European Powers like Napoleon, Hitler etc. Also the Russian Zar and Stalin did ugly things with Ukrainian folks, like it is continued from Putin noadays. But it would be interresting to hear more about the oppositions from Erdogan in Turkey. For example Attatürk was much more western oriented, than islamistic Erdogan. So Turkey has a wide range of behaviour models in its geographic position. And interesting how an post Erdogan Turkey may develope in the future.

[@WilfredoSifr9507]

This is why irredentist and/or expansionist sentiments from any sources must be kept in check.

[@kemaldemirel1714]

Basically all of them are pro eu, pro Nato. I wouldn't say pro Ukraine, because by the time they can actually do something that conflict will be over probably. (They probably wont kick out all the Russian money, when they just get into power, in this economic sitiation, so I wouldn't expect any change in 2023) Though it's worth noting some of them believe we shouldn't join the EU (because of eurozone/independence) and we should just be allies. Though I say all of them. It's not particularly suprising. Since all of the other candiates belong the the same main opposition party CHP. Erdogan is basically Putin, but Turkey is weaker than Russia. So he is afraid of the consequences of his Ottoman dreams. Not the consequences into Turkey/Turkish people of course. He is afraid of consequences to his family. I hope for everyones sake he is not crazy enough to start a war to delay/cancel the election.

[@wolfgangrenner4152]

@@kemaldemirel1714 Turkey alone cannot cope against Russia alone. But a speciality of Erdogan Turkey is, that Erdogan searches struggle with all players. Up setting EU, NATO, Russia in parallel. And if Erdogan makes EU/NATO and Russia to Turkeys enemy, Turkey will have a difficult position. The policy of EU/NATO against Russia is to support East European states in their way to Western states community. This will make it necessary to weaken Russia as imperialistic world power. The perspective for Russian from western point of view, is a transformation to an Gas/oil/ore supplier without any military aggression attidutes. Meaning a complete finalization of Putin Regime / Epoque and an democratization and partitioning of Russia, similar like Austria was reduced to its core space during WW1 and WW2. This is the target of western world. But western world don't do any aggressive steps to reach this new international positioning of a new Russia, which can be reincluded in international (western) economic space. It is a long time target. But the behavior of Turkey against EU and NATO is fairly important. Especially if Turkey may become EU member and building a land bridge from European EU space to asian Georgia and Kaukasus region. And the Behavior of Turkey in his geographic position will have strong impact for the europeanization of entire East Europe.

[@atakanpayman]

The upcoming elections will sure be one of the most prominent ones for the future of Turkish Democracy.

[@Ανδρέας-ΓεώργιοςΣκίννερ]

It's pronounced "kill-itch-DAH-ro(g)-lu".

[@mehmetgurdal]

A Greek person helping a British man to how to pronounce a Turkish name. God I love the Internet :D

[@Ss97sand]

Still wrong

[@yoro__33]

@@Ss97sand its as accurate as it gets with english

[@georgemetcalf8763]

I need more "Clutch dollar."

[@TheCebulon]

Your caption is a trick question? Right?

[@killbill1175]

Never was a democracy only a dictatorship. M

[@aaroncousins4750]

Nebulas had a "big" sale since lockdown. Is this not considered false advertising?

[@armanx2]

Turkish democracy ? Turkey never had democracy ? So what are you talking about dude ?

[@t.a.k.palfrey3882]

The politicisation of the judiciary has regularly been the first serious step in the move away from representative democracy. This was the case in S Africa in the 60s, Spain in the 40s, Uganda in the 00s, and now in Hungary and Turkey. It is also creeping onto the scene in the US and India.

[@aadityaranjan2159]

refrain from commenting if you dont have any knowledge. judiciary sometimes has more power than the government of india. any bill passed by the parliament can be sent for reconsideration by the chief justice if he wants to. there is no involvement of government in the choosing of chief justice.

[@t.a.k.palfrey3882]

@@aadityaranjan2159 I said "it was creeping in". You can't deny that several state courts, and even some decisions of the Supreme Court have been more partisan than has been seen in over 30 yrs.

[@aadityaranjan2159]

@@t.a.k.palfrey3882 some examples for supreme court?

Surprisingly, the highest election join ratio belongs to Turkey, democracy itself is dangerous however turkey is one of the first countries who faced with the disadvantages. In my opinion, democracy will be one of the regimes that has shortest lifetime in history. No idea what comes next, but probably related with tech.

[@Dancingonthesun]

Yes. There, I saved you 10 minutes.

[@bluegold1026]

Power corrupts, but absolute power corrupts absolutely. Erdogan's arrogance will be his downfall.

[@vedatavci3992]

As a Kurd from Turkey I can confirm that Turkish democracy isn't in danger. there is nothing worry about. I mean literally there is nothing worry about !!!

[@onatdeveci5502]

Are you okay, are you in danger, just blink twice if that's the case

[@testnameplsignore6916]

@@onatdeveci5502 Türkiye’de yaşamıyorsun bence. Türkiye’de hiçkimseye etnik kökeni yüzünden ırkçılık yapılmıyor. Bunları aştık.

[@onatdeveci5502]

@@testnameplsignore6916 Yanlış anladın, adam kürt diye demedim bunu. Dediklerimin sebebi demokrasi tehlikede değil demesi. Asıl sana sormak lazım neden etnik grubuna yorduğunu yorumumu

[@NC.237]

Turkish people are humble lovely people but the government is not good, not only for Turkish citizens but also in Africa pumping a lot weapons to dictators n no value to human rights is sickening

[@shooowinho5451]

Which democracy? in Turkey?

[@Serdar146]

First of all, yes.

[@justasrandom6609]

what democracy?

[@MrJudgementday99]

Not sure where you get the 85% from I would say it is well over 200%, our mooring fees have gone up from 105,000TL to 269,000TL

[@seadkolasinac7220]

85% is the official statistic (inaccurate ofc)

[@kemaldemirel1714]

It's the official statistics that are used to adjust the wages to inflation. When it was actually announcing numbers close to reality, Erdogan really didn't like that so he fired a whole lot of people to change the numbers.

[@مخمجيممحمد]

You should say his Magisty of king Erdogan not president

[@TrxmpBrownNosersBgone]

They were never a free country.

[@ethiennedegagne8779]

turkey's authorianism aside, why dont people realize that inflation is a global issue right now ? theres lots to critice biden for, for exemple, or macron, but they cant do much about controlling inflation and lower fuel prices. In canada trudeau is facing a lot of criticism and is unpopular right now, but not because of inflation.. we know thats not his fault

[@berkbuyan]

As a Turk i don't want democracy in terms of west and i am not an Erdoğan side for sure.

[@shankar_vshankar]

It's pretty good for people from incredibly democratic places like the UK, with it's government being decided by a few swing seats and the executive and second house being entirely and solely answerable to the first house to be judging other countries.

[@seadkolasinac7220]

deranged comment. In the UK the leader of the opposition who looks likely to win an election doesn't get jailed. Also this idea about 'judgement' is so bizarre -- it's analysis. Are people not allowed to talk about any country than their own?

[@shankar_vshankar]

@@Pemmont107 see my response above

[@shankar_vshankar]

@@seadkolasinac7220 thank you for your kind words. Allow me to offer an analogy - this video is like a man standing in a rising flood laughing at a man going over a waterfall because he is getting wet. Actually it's worse - it's like the man whose child is shorter than he is telling the child who is about to drown to laugh at the man in the waterfall. Democracy in the uk is a carefully constructed illusion that depends on highlighting the deficiencies in other countries in order to distract the losers in our system from the fact that they are drowning. All the best for 2023

[@imo6927]

4:06 Imamoglu was imprisoned a few days ago for "insulting election officials"

[@GokhanGursel-eu1xm]

He didnt

[@terrlaw328]

In a true democracy you can call anybody, including Ergodan, a fool…which is mild to what I call him.

[@TotalWarTotalMobilization]

Finally, a independent news company

[@korkukokusu8311]

Independent

[@yuvarlananucak7131]

no, it is not in danger. it already collapsed

[@handle_unknown]

I mean, a lot of us Swedes consider the U.S. to be a flawed democracy and Turkey certainly isn't much better.

[@louisbeerreviews8964]

Isn’t turkey

[@umutneo]

Swedes are weird.

[@exosproudmamabear558]

Democracy what is that? Our country never seen it try walking to the west than turn left maybe you will find it there.

[@naniyo0]

i am a complete newbie to turkish economy and politics. a turkish friend once told me that under the help of Ali Babacan, turkey managed its economy and currency pretty well. but later after ali was purged, the economy immediately got out of control. can someone pls educate me how much truth is there in this claim by my friend? thanks~

[@mertcankaya279]

It is true. In first 10 years of Erdoğan. Ali Babacan was minister of economy. Erdoğan and Babacan followed more peaceful and logical policies. After 2013, Ali Babacan did not get any role in goverment and Erdoğan followed more aggressive policies that are not in line with classical economic rules.

[@naniyo0]

@@mertcankaya279 thanks. just curious, may i know what led to erdogan not using babacan anymore?

[@DoctorHorse]

@@naniyo0 Erdoganwants things to be done his way. Although with Babacan economy was doing good, Turkey had other underlying problems which persist today so he is not the key to the solution sadly.

[@mertcankaya279]

@@naniyo0 There are several things that made Erdoğan agressive after 2013. Babacan did not like Erdoğans policies and did not accept role in government. Erdoğan wanted to make him minister again but he refuse. The resaons of Erdoğans policy change are There was a massive uprising in 2013, Usa started to support Kurdish militants in Syria that Turkey considers Terrorist. Americans dont realize how damaging this is. But basiaclly Usa openly started to supoort groups that wants to divide Turkey. This is one step below opening war to Turkey. Because of this Erdoğan started to do more business with Putin. Usa gets angry to Turkey for this, but they do not realize they forced Erdoğan to do this.

[@naniyo0]

@@mertcankaya279 i see, so may i assume alibabacan is more pro-USA and anti-russia? such that he doesn't feel at ease to serve under Erdogan after 2013?

[@soylentgreen6082]

The answer is a simple yes.

[@vasilisantonopoulos9326]

Democracy was born in Greece, its name is too Greek, thus it is not recognized or accepted from Turkey as a valid form of governance.

[@leemoonlmao]

Holy shit how come I have never thought of that

[@severalcauseforeurope6507]

Your context is ridiculous.

[@g4m3r222]

No democracy. They need a new president.

[@SilentEire]

Greece and Turkey love to forget that they are technically allies under NATO 😂😂 They’re like cousins that are always kicking the sh*t out of eachother because “he started it!”

[@09csr]

Well, yes but actually no. They are allied in that of one of them is attacked by a non-NATO country, they should assist the attacked country (Article 5). Article 5 does however not really ban NATO nations from attacking each other. Although depending on interpretation, a war between Turkey and Greece could result in a intra-NATO-war-congaline. So it'd likely just be too messy for wither of them to attack the other.

[@MichaelDavis-mk4me]

@@09csr It's rather clear that NATO countries would defend the attacked party. An attack on one country is an attack on all others. France has already pledged to defend Greece anyway, so I doubt Turkey would try it's luck.

[@proksenospapias9327]

This whitewashing is criminal. It's morons like yourself that said during the Imia crisis "oh they're arguing about two rocks?". If you know nothing about the situation keep your trap shut.

[@tezcanuyank3446]

@@Pemmont107 You the one started arming the islands in first place, you try to annex cyprus with funding the EOKA terror group your whole combat doctrine based on attacking us while our doctrine holding the lines in all fronts do not play innocent because you small

[@georgedevries3992]

Hey hotshot, it's Turkey alone that "forgets" this technicallity. As for the rest, it only shows how uninformed you are about this issue and label it as mere bickering between children.

[@derekperalta3512]

Gotta love TLDR they said duck it we will do the names!

[@martinspijker9661]

since when is turkey a democrasie?

[@zhufortheimpaler4041]

in the 90´s for a short time.

[@frazzleboi2821]

very good video