Is using ChatGPT for school cheating or a new form of learning?

[@akirak1871]

Schools need to either 1) Change the type of work they assign to something that can't be just punched into ChatGPT or Desmos, or 2) Make the kids do work in a proctored environment with no Internet access so that they actually have to learn it. The 100+ year old educational methods have become useless now that every kid has the Internet in their pocket (for better or for worse). If the only thing kids are truly learning is how to look things up on the Internet, all of K-12 schooling could probably be a one-hour class and we could save a ton of money in the education budget.

[@FitraCandleCo]

Agreed!

[@jayasmrmore3687]

That’s what is called an exam

[@swthelostarchives]

If I were in high school I'd certainly use it. It's a tool after all. It's still important for them to learn some skills like memories basic times tables, problem solving without chatgpt, etc.

[@KnightmareUSA]

If more than half of students at that school currently consider it cheating, then they may be aware of the methods used by their classmates. It is likely not being used to merely find and quote reference material for essays. The lure to cheat is too high with a younger generation brought up on social media, with zero attention span. It is being used for instant answers to Q and A styled homework, and even when it is being used to write essays, students will also use other AI to rewrite the entire output (or rewrite it themselves) in order to try and get around any form of algorithm detection by other technology. Students already use the internet to find leaked exam papers days before exams, so I would not be surprised if AI can help with that too. I believe future exams will be on a one on one verbal basis, with very little or nothing written down. Either that or the questions are even created by AI itself, but mere seconds before an exam.

[@honja6528]

I currently use chatgpt as a sort of teacher asking it basic questions, when there's a confusing question I ask chat gpt to answer it then I rewrite it my way rather then copying it

[@KnightmareUSA]

It can sometimes help in understanding questions. Since it uses other people's real work as it's source though, it can still sometimes get things wrong. So you just need to keep that in mind. As long as you understand what you have written and can then teach others without needing the AI :) @@honja6528

[@peterh_tw]

Tha'ts actually a very good idea, consider how expensive some bad education is. I think it might also cause the education industry to go back to only a few giants can survive, which is good, so we won't have bachelor work at the minimum wage jobs. People can contribute even if they're younger, not wasting years in uni trying to get a useless degree.

[@ryepooh5052]

you are completely lost if you think their is going to be a detection algorithm.

[@KnightmareUSA]

@@ryepooh5052 There is already AI software used in schools to detect ai output, but in the early stages will give plenty of false positives

[@DSAK55]

cheating

[@StinkyBlack1]

copy-pasting from an ai will not help students "get the gist of it". its a con enabled by teachers to get better scores and more funding.

[@a96futurecreator96]

Ai does better job in teaching. Ai can provide you the answer in seconds. Ai can find your programming errors in sec. Ai can filter /edit text in different format in sec. In short, Ai will stay forever and one day you cannot live without it. It will complete change the world. Im happy that I live in this generation, rememer people used to travel in days to their destination. Look now, it takes just a few hours for you to travel to another country. Well, you can say it's not healthy, then good luck with your walking journey. I'll take the train.😂

[@akirak1871]

@@a96futurecreator96 AI can do boilerplate text generation of things on which it has been trained. It has no capacity for generating new ideas, and it still makes errors at the things it does do (see the cases of lawyers using ChatGPT to write legal briefs only to find that it has referenced nonexistent cases). It's impressive technology for sure and probably isn't going away, but the most use it will get - without some revolutionary breakthrough - will be essentially a more advanced search engine and very simple customer service-type interactions.

[@DunkIeosteus]

@@a96futurecreator96the problem is students aren’t using ai to have it teach them, they are using it to generate the answers for them and that’s it! If they continue to rely on ai all the time then they WILL become useless and weak. There is a limit to how much assistance a human needs, after reaching that limit we just become like those fat people from wall-e. If that’s who you want to become then go ahead, but not me. I don’t want to become useless, sure it’s nice to have assistance like the internet but as humans we have to continue to challenge ourselves in order to grow.

[@FishbedMyBeloved]

Genuine slop take (not from you, from the first reply. YT UI won't let me reply to people) Generative AI on its own does not teach people better. It gives them the answer and doesn't force them to use their brains. Used in *conjunction* with normal coursework and teachers I can see it being used where a student isn't able to access a teacher and needs one on one assistance - but that's about where it ends (especially when AI can and does make mistakes)

[@aucontraire1986]

AI I can actually ask as many follow up questions I want until I feel I fully understand a concept. Ignorant people.

[@jayasmrmore3687]

That is a good use of AI

[@caramela4830]

@@aucontraire1986 that's right!

[@isabellelefloch1099]

AI AI AI we can only hear about this AI nowadays, what about our natural intelligence as human beings, I find it has been imposed on us thanks to all these web people who makes their fortune on our misery, because it's going to be a real misery on human spirits and creativity.

[@carultch]

It's going to cause mass unemployment one day, and make humans the new horses of the next industrial revolution.

[@eduard_gilbertblessed2647]

Give your own personal perspective on the issue

[@swthelostarchives]

These ai, especially Google's Gemini can be politically biased too.

[@ut_punkn1859]

Typical old heads, a lot of us use it because we can get an explanation on math questions with out waiting on an email reply from the professor.

[@isabellelefloch1099]

Well I ve never been interested in mathematics, however, when you let a machine think for you, i find it's dramatic !

[@caramela4830]

As a Millennial, this is simply the "new calculator" 😂😂😂 In the 90s, we were told not to depend on our calculator. Our teachers scolded by saying we had to learn math because we wouldnt have a calculator everywhere we went. Guess what!! 😂😂 The jokes on them!! They didnt know the future and didnt know we would ALL carry a phone computer every where we went. And, here we are!! 😂 ChatGPT is the same. Let them use it. Their future will include it. Simply teach them to love to learn instead. We are steping into a new era. Embrace it. I never read in HS plus I didnt know i was dyslexic. I used cliff notes always. However, now I love to read. Ironic, yes but that's life. We all change.

[@FishbedMyBeloved]

You shouldn't depend on ChatGPT either. Use it, sure, but just like the calculator, students should not be allowed to just punch things into the tan function without absorbing anything. I used Desmos for the first half of my trig class this semester and it came back to bite me hard when I didn't have a good grasp on the underlying concepts. If you want to go to the higher levels of anything, ChatGPT should take a backseat to actually doing your work.

[@caramela4830]

@FishbedMyBeloved I agree in learning the basics. Especially, if your goal is to be a mathematician or any field that requires lots of math. Then, you need to learn the basics. For those who do not want to be mathematicians we don't need to focus on it. Plus, some of us learn differently. Punching around and learning from ChatGPT can be extremely helpful to some. Not everyone learns the same way. There are 8 forms of intelligence and some are nuerodiverse learners. Education would be helpful if it focused on creating life long learners of students not kids who simply memorize and are great test takers. Sometimes, what we don't use repeatedly we lose anyways. We should focus on life skills and loving to learn first. That will take them farther in life and it will assit them in finding out what they truly enjoy doing.