IS YOUR TRACK LOUD ENOUGH?

[@unfa00]

I absolutely love mastering albums. It's so relaxing after you sweat to make all the mixes great!

[@LeChapeauMusic]

Oh it's the open source guy hello!

[@JulianeWolfMusic]

I want to thank you very much, I watched your videos on the plane recently, I'm very afraid on flights and your videos calmed me down ;) Not because they are boring but because they are entertaining and educational at the same time. I'm a music producer and DJ (who has to fly a lot unfortunately) who always wants to learn :) all the best from Malta!

[@feieralarm]

To anyone who wants to get deeper into this topic, I highly suggest checking out Ian Shepherd. He is working very close with the MeterPlugs guys and has become somewhat of the poster child of the anti-loudness war movement. Especially here on KZbin.

[@SoAandFriends]

That's one approach but I myself am a anti-loudness terrorist. I break into studios and bypass their brickwall limiters when they're not looking.

[@dhpbear2]

8:30 - I would master it at -12 to leave enough 'headroom'. I've heard SO many instances (especially with podcasts) where the signal is over-modulated!

[@dykodesigns]

That’s an interresting point, the loudness war has always bothered me and in the 90’s when I was a teenager buying cd’s I defenitly noticed a trend that albums became louder around 1996 or so when I was buying my first cd’s from my pocket money. I listen to a lot of different genres of music ranging from rock, pop, acid jazz, funk, techno to gothic darkwave and postpunk to chiptunes from old games. I like the music to be dynamic so I prefered the dynamic version of the test track. My reference is early 90’s loudness levels, the ones from the 2000’s are too much for me to a point where it starts to degrade the music and listening experience. This a problem with remastered albums, take Nirvana’s nevermind album for instance. I have the 2011 cd version and a more recent vinyl copy of it. The 2011 cd version has very muddy sounding drums whereas the version from the early 90’s sound much nicer to me. But when I doodle a bit with korg gadget I tend to make it to too loud for my dad’s ears. I guess younger people have less problems with “loud” but older people might find something too loud even when I consider it comfortable. My dad always complains about too much bass and he associates that with loudness (his frame of reference is the early 70’s).

[@altromusic]

Wow! This video was incredibly informative! Props to you sir, you just earned a new subscriber. Take care.

[@jordanshreds747]

I really enjoy your videos. I appreciate your honesty and candidness. Especially with controversial subjects. Keep it up!

[@resakabrava6325]

Finally I get to understand what this loudness penality thing about is.. possible clipping vs. Little db reducing on the plattforms.. Thank you so much!

[@soul_yt7842]

Loudness is just another creative decision. And like all creative decisions, our audiences will have varying reactions. I personally will put a d16 Frontier limiter with a -1.5db upward expansion threshold on a track others might consider "loud enough".

[@lalocalello]

Thanks, great work.

[@MrSamfonseca]

Steven Wilson younger brother! Videos getting better, man. Congratulations - keep'em coming!

[@bennemann]

Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed the similarity.

[@realraven2000]

Wicze - I use Winamp which has replay gain. You scan all your tracks of your library and corrective gain is applied based on loudness. the base line is -6db, but really old records are corrects -1db or -2db. Pretty much anything from the the last decade starts at -7db up to -12db. No more reaching for the volume knob.

[@CLaw-tb5gg]

That was really interesting. I always knew mixing too loud was bad, but I didn't know mixing too quiet was bad as well.

[@skrie]

I'm totally going to try this. This is such good news , I hate making my tracks "loud enough". Dude , I totally love ur channel. Groeten uit Holland :)

[@Levibetz]

Hey! This was super helpful. I've been kind of... doing my own thing for... ever (oops). But I just ran my mix/master through this tool, and hey! I was pretty spot on. My technique has been to use fairly heavy saturation on just about everything with serious transients (drums, etc), typical compression on everything, and then a little compression and saturation on the master, with a limiter to bring everything up to zero. I actually set it to -0.5 to ensure no clips. Apparently it works great! Spotify and some pull it down -2db.

[@SBPRA]

Well done. This is the new norm for media delivery.

Your videos are getting better and better, keep them posting!

[@patreidcocolditzcastle632]

this guy is a awesome teacher,i know a lot of it is basic fundamentals but he presents it well.abliet his weird facial stuff id say that is passion

[@Captainpippy]

Both tracks were obviously too loud. You wouldn't be able to hear the girl over that. #producepornlikeapro. But seriously, that was a very helpful video.

[@johnstitt2615]

Squashing a track flat as a pancake has got to go. Pancakes are for eating.

[@TheMirolab]

Thanks for this video!! The loudness wars has killed my enjoyment of so much new music. Every time I buy a new CD (yes i still do) and i find that it's compressed to death, I literally feel nauseous and depressed. I pay good money for music, and they give me a damaged and distorted product that I cannot return. We are being sold damaged goods, and we have no recourse with the record companies. For every CD I have that has blatant & audible clipping of the original mix, I should be able to ask for my money back!! Leave the limiting to the radio stations.

[@RealHomeRecording2]

Before buying new music I would check the dynamic range database

[@apollospyrol7168]

@@RealHomeRecording2 whats that?

[@kingmadeofficial6124]

I have to admit this plugin is a life saver

[@henriquematias1986]

definitely keen on seen more videos on LUFS and mastering ( :

[@InAbell]

you are awesome! thanks!

[@heavymetalmixer91]

Nice to see more videos about this, even thought there's audio normalizing on online platforms, for many people the Loudness Wars aren't over because they're not informed well.

[@WDShorty]

I would also suggest limiting or clipping your tracks at -0.6db as that's just below where your tracks will clip when rendered into MP3

[@anonagain]

LOL - love the VAR :) Been waiting for this since the Loudness Day livestream - you've been busy! I take it you think the plugin is worth it, especially at the sale price? Waiting for the Dynameter review next - thanks!

[@Whiteseastudio]

I actually had the video ready before the livestream... but, it was better to wait untill now with publish because of the algorithm -_-'

[@omnivorace]

Excellent video.

[@LARESISTENZA]

Great video. A question: I have to put a track on youtube, so I'd like to know the tolerance you suggest for the youtube algorithm on loudnesspenalty. I have a -2.6 of penalty on youtube, think is too far from zero? The track sound good 4 me and I wouldn't like to increase ceiling (now at 1.0) or to raise up the theresold line. Can U suggest me a range of tolerance? Thanx

[@magnuswehus]

love your videos man!

[@TheKammir]

Really don’t like how you made fun of VAR throughout this video because blaaaaaablaaablaaa. Just thought the usual dose of negative comments was missing 😂😂😂😂. Awesome plugin great explanation and background thanks again 🔑✨

[@jimjay8828]

Give me dynamics, volume knobs needs to be used #donthatetheknob

[@bibibobs]

What about mobile & laptop users? They can't exceed their max

[@tontondm1419]

Yes yes yes 😁

[@m.gunturkurniawan8085]

this video is true loudness topic about. thank you fo' sharing again abaut a loudness 😇

[@DannyNagymusic]

Thank you for your review !!! So you recommend using this website to compare or/and review mixes ? I am a music producer and when I get mixes from whomever is mixing it I always check it on loudness penalty-Spotify after hearing something on Spotify that sounds similar. What do you think? Cheers mate

[@K-R]

Please help I don’t understand that site much When it is all on, - - does this mean my master is good?

[@AboveEmAllProduction]

excellent video =) btw you should have used sandstorm you would get better loudness readings :(

[@karebenjamin8185]

Yes pls!

[@mwintersteinsmith]

Hi Wytse, another great video (that has been covered many times on KZbin before) BUT you make it BETTER. Cheers :) Loudness Wars shall go on forever...... LOL

[@NullCreativityMusic]

well that's a handy plugin! Cheers for bringing it up

[@thesuncollective1475]

Wholly cow..this is an amazin info vid..thx! Have you thought of reviewing "subscriber" mixes...say every Friday..!

[@KOSMIKFEADRECORDS]

Great Video! Make a version 2!!! with a guest!

[@Gregorovitch144]

Really interesting video. Excellent stuff. +1 to more in-depth material on this issue.

[@chrismiller4185]

Why can't I find that book anywhere?

[@OneandOthermusic]

Excellent video and an important topic. I agree with what you said here. I find when you can find the sweetspot generally the sound quality on whichever the service used is much better also when listening through that service. I also noticed that on some of the best sounding (in my opinion) reference tracks often when looked at are not peak saturated and limited to the flatline, and in fact usually have a db or so of headroom even mastered... which for a long time threw me off, but over time I have leaned that the ears tell the best story in the end, even though the science and numbers are also totally of use. It just goes to show the multitudes of range there can be between what hits the ear and everything in between is very subjective.

[@heidewatzka]

Curios, I never had such a problem. I produce my tracks arround -4 to -5 I-LUFS and when I bring that track up to the same LVL lie my -14 LUFS produced track, then it sounds a little bit difference, but it has the same perceived loudness. Maybe it depends of the genre. Like I said, the sound, because of the compression, is soundwise a little bit difference, but even that is most of the time not a disatvantage. Cause it sounds fuller and as a listener i have the feeling it has still enough dynamic range. So i never was intersting in that how Loud is loud enough. Gladly :D. But one thing I noticed is the fact, that some Songs with equal loudness get different penalties. Sometimes there is a difference up to 1,5 dB. And then yo ustill have to adjust your volume. Also that they differ not between the content is curios. A Song that is from Start to finsh just an equal volume, because of its style will get a much higher "punishment" then a track with build in quiter parts. And then the loud parts are stick out dramaticly. Some make this as an sport today and it sounds horrible. So in my opiion the integrated LUFS is absolute not a good choise to limit songs. Good video.

[@ProductionAdvice]

The difference you're noticing is because the streaming services don't use LUFS (only TIDAL). Which is the main reason we made the website and plugin :-)

[@heidewatzka]

@@ProductionAdvice Ah, thats very interesting (I just read LUFS and True peak most of the time on that web pages). What are they using? The difference i notices happens in every value I check my mixes and masterings so far. RMS, DR, LUFS (all kind of, Momentary, Integrated and so on), Peak, True Peak and so on. It is even worser...often Songs with a true peak of +3 up to +5 dB (like in EDM) and an LUFS from arround -3 LUFS Integrated in there loudest parts and an overal LUFS arround -5,5 are do not get as much punishment as some Songs with no true peaks above zero and an "normal" LUFS from about -8 to -7. So for me that seems, that there is a hunge "thinking" mistake on those streaming services. Hope you can help me out on it..would be great. BTW...very usefull plugin. Follow your site since a few years.

[@KindOfStudios]

Missing the "Keep pushing" at the end!!! :-)

[@nietsmusic]

Recently found out that Spotify not only normalizes tracks when they are too loud but also applies some sort of distortion to it (though compression/saturation/limiting? idk) that makes it sound even more flat. In the app settings you can turn this off and kaboom, all of a sudden the songs sound way better (not only louder). Im confused why they would do this instead of just turning the general volume down/up, user experience is also delivering the best, unaltered audio quality right?

[@ProductionAdvice]

This isn't true, in our testing. Spotify *does* use a limiter if it needs to turn quiet songs up, but not when it turns loud songs down.

[@nietsmusic]

@@ProductionAdviceThanks for the reply! Maybe I should elaborate, in the Android app, apart from the normalize function you have a "volume level" adjuster which reads: "Adjust your volume for your enviroment". By default this is turned on on a "normal" setting, I haven't run the audio into my PC but listening to it the transients sound completely brick walled, especially on tracks that don't have that much dynamic range in the first place. Edit: I just recorded both settings into my daw, balanced the levels and flipped the phase, the normalisation (normal) setting doesn't seem to turn it down at all, it actually pushes the track a bit higher and compresses it :/. I am at a total loss here, I have no Idea what is going on, the "soft" setting does turn it down and the "loud" setting completely destroys the track. I don't think this option is availlable in the desktop app. I know that in the past Spotify only adjusted levels but this is a completely different system, there is also no way to just turn off the "enviroment" setting.

[@ProductionAdvice]

@@nietsmusic OK gotcha. This means your track is slightly *below* the reference level for Spotify. If you test it using the plugin in this video, or on the website for free (www.loudnesspenalty.com) you'll see it has a positive value for Spotify, meaning they will turn it *up* - and in that case they will use a limiter to prevent clipping, as you noticed. In other words your original statement was correct except that your song was too quiet for their reference level, not too loud ! And the problem gets worse if you choose the "loud" setting because they boost it even more. You either have to put up with this, or possibly lift the level yourself a little before upload so it has a small negative LP score. In this case Spotify won't add limiting - at least not on the "normal" setting. (Most users don't even know these settings are there, and leave them on the "normal" default all the time) Hope that helps ?!

[@TheLebno]

Great video. I love you. ❤

[@joncurtis3913]

Good to see you at the DRD live event. So does it pass the Snake Oil test? 😀

[@francisbawasanta6310]

I've been mixing for -14 LUFS and 00 on the meterplugs plugin and it's never as loud as online reference tracks. I put those reference tracks in my daw to see how "loud" they are and it was -11.5 to -10 LUFS and -4.5-5.0 on Meterplugs. I uploaded the track to Google Play just to test it and it's nice and "loud"... didn't seem like there was a penalty or it was just ignored. Is there actually a standard or is LUFS just a way to measure? I keep reading everywhere on the web that -14 is the way to go... I'm mixing R&B and Hiphop. Also looking at the wav the reference, "professional" tracks are compressed like hell and barely any dynamics. Is this actually what people expect?

[@matterofzoets]

Hey man one thing to remember is that the frequency balance affects how hard the song will hit the limiter if the track is bass heavily then if its master at -10 reduced to -14 for streaming it will not sound fairly transparent because of how uneven the mix is in comparison to other commercial tracks. I would recommend trying to balance your mix as best as possible before applying limiting in master or back in mixing and see if that adds to your overall volume. And lastly remember compressed mixes fatigue the ears!

[@kvdence]

Top 5 effect plugins video?

[@xaosnox]

Yes, please! More about DynaMeter.

[@Paul_Stillo]

Hi there. Interesting information. I'm relatively new to the field of recording. I've been using Bandlab for mastering my songs. They sounded a bit punchier than the originals and were being accepted by all the streaming services. But I was surprised to see the results now that I learned about this "loudness penalty analyzer"!?! So far, my songs are being dinged between 4-6 db.. Perhaps I should be releasing the original versions without mastering?? I'm still not quite clear on the purpose of mastering.. you lower the volume just so it can be boosted again..and then you get penalized for boosting it?? What's an acceptable penalty level/range, in your opinion? Thank you. Edit: To my naked/uncultured ears both the original and the mastered versions of my songs sound clean. I try to avoid clipping like the plague.

[@EaselCat]

I love how he tries to dance along with the music.

[@BlackenedNL]

Awesome vid!

[@deepend69]

Why do some youtubers get penalized much less than the rest of us? Is there something I'm missing?

[@roundhat100]

How did you turn down the track keeping the same dynamics and still have it hitting at -1db? Im stuck at this part. The Loudness penalty is only showing me good results when i loewr the track by -4db's

[@stubonics]

I am so used to your snake oil videos that it is nice to see a plugin that is useful and affordable. $29? Shit, I have bought Waves plugins for that price that were completely useless that I bought simply because they were $29. I do love some metering stuff though, and this is way cheaper than something like Ozone, etc., for this kind of reference metering.

[@TheChrispablo]

great video

[@DigitalDiggo]

Worth noting some of the streamers use different settings in dedicated apps than when used via web browser.

[@davydlevill]

what is the loudness for music and sfx in games?

[@nathanscott5978]

I like this video, and all your others, but I am not clear how to describe a sound quality that has "room to breath". At 2:33 on the posting.

[@chillzonemusic4491]

the meter isn't 'pinned' so much.. the sound isn't squashed as much.. it is more open ... there is 'dynamic' room for more subtle volume changes.. so it feels like there's more 'room to breathe'.

[@swschilke]

Could you please do more reviews of free VSTs, i.e., useful or 🐍oil. ThanX-a-lot

[@MarkDLion]

be aware, KZbin may use different algorithms based on the video category, for instance, if they define your video as "music" it can be handled differently.

[@bluest1524]

I am mastering my album to have about 11-12 dB of dynamic range. RMS level of around -12dB, with 3 to 5 dB of gain reduction on the output track. I can't get it any louder without it sounding saturated and compromised, so this seems to be sensible for my own limitations and for the material... jazz inflected funk, I suppose you would call it. It's certainly quieter than current produced music, but people can just turn the stereo up when they listen. I'm not sure if this sounds crazy or sensible.

[@tonoormusic]

I recorded a very well known loud song out of Spotify with Audio Hijack and analyzed it with Loudness Penalty. Guess what? LP told me Spotify would turn it down 8dB.. I don't understand

[@jamalcole1985]

so what LUFS do you suggest?

[@DJayFreeDoo]

You want to see a loud track? buy the "uncompressed" file of this one and slap on loudness meter. "Infected Mushroom and Bliss featuring Miyavi - Bliss on Mushrooms" about +2,3db TP around -6db dynamic range for most of the track. and looking at the waveform there is plenty of clipping going on. But the clipping is happening so fast each time that you won't perceive it. And it sounds great.

[@DJayFreeDoo]

Compared to Skrillex bangarang track which is also very loud, the infected mushroom track also sounds great.

[@Retrovergo]

great vid

[@slowlearner7778]

Thank you. Very helpful. Is it cross platform?

[@raymondspagnuolo8222]

It is! I just checked the website.

[@BloopShow]

Do you have a video on why you chose Reaper over Protools? Am curious because I love Reaper, but have never used protools.

[@dhpbear2]

The only time compression is good is if you have to listen with a lot of background noise - In the car, for instance.

[@Steadyawake]

Good channel

[@mantaproject]

How does this meter know the genre of the music? Interesting stuff, Thanks!

[@melona3727]

RMS is OLD School ?

[@portnoy256]

Yes (IMHO)

[@ReeWebster]

I wondered why so many KZbin vids are distorted, especially from producers who have good kit and clearly know not to go into the red. This will be why.

[@GDub83]

What would stop the loudness war would be a standard that every service/medium had to adhere too.

[@mauriziomauricone]

Great find! But I can't find the plugin, only the online streaming website "loudnesspenalty.com". Is this what you are using in this vid?

[@Whiteseastudio]

The link to the plugin is in the video description 😊

[@mauriziomauricone]

Thanks. When I clicked that link earlier, it wasn't there and not in the Products tab either but I could imagine things lol. The online version is free though, so why buy the plugin hehehe.

[@mjklein]

Vlado Meller mastered 4 tracks for me at Sony, and they are the loudest tracks I've ever heard. That was 1997.

[@audiophocus65]

Try telling this to the Trap/Hip hop community. Seriously, 95% Crap with Meters going through the roof. With how deaf everyone is now, I have to compete. Good video bud.

[@troeteimarsch]

so true, cant hear that fl studio kiddo sound anymore. i couldn't tell the difference either if i was used to smartphone DACs, cheap in ears, and just one music genre though.

[@sausbirux]

I like this season

[@mcsstudios101]

That's some cool stuff to know.

[@hiroprotagonist7360]

Man your intro always makes my brain think that I'm about to hear Clout Cobain by Denzel Curry, I know it's not the same

[@fatihgoger4970]

Hi Wytse ! Again great video. Is there any dynamic loss on song when I bounce a track LUFS -7 dB & -5 LUFS and put song on Spotify (normalization by Spotify) ? Or, we need to bounce tracks near to 14LUFS ? I couldn't understand normalization that means a just volume decrease or it is a result of compression ?

[@7thResonance]

Doesn't three streaming platform has specific LUFS levels? KZbin is -14 I guess? Scan the whole song and release lol

[@artissonbeats3057]

Right

[@ProductionAdvice]

The LUFS values are only accurate as overall estimates. None of the streaming services except TIDAL actually use LUFS, so even if you master to LUFS it could get turned down by several dBs in the real world, which is why we made the website & plugin - the values are within half a dB of the actual results, in our tests. (Although we're working on improving it for Sound Check)

[@7thResonance]

@@ProductionAdvice really? Didn't know that. Many people said most of the streaming platform follow LUFS standard. Oh well. 🤷🏿‍♂️. Thanks for the comment.

[@ProductionAdvice]

@@7thResonance No problem, it's a common misunderstanding. Just try measuring a few songs at www.loudnesspenalty.com - Spotify and TIDAL both have a reference level of -14 LUFS, but they often apply a different gain change.

[@7thResonance]

@@ProductionAdvice oh. Idk lol

[@SirToXiC0]

Does someone knows of a TV maker that replaced my volume knob with a lufs knob ? I wish I had something like that... Volume normalization on my TV doesn't work or so it seems to my ears...

[@SergioFilho]

I’ve been using loudness penalty site to check my mixes. Hope they doesn’t shut it down and only sells the plugin.

[@Whiteseastudio]

I don’t think they will shut it down

[@a-job7276]

Hi, I think Youlean Loudness Meter 2 Pro has something similar, good video, thanks.

[@ProductionAdvice]

LUFS meters are only useful for estimating this, because the streaming sites don't use LUFS, apart from TIDAL. So an LUFS estimate can be as much as 3dB off, in some cases

[@daniellesnick9256]

Loudness is also a great Japanese metal band from the early 80s.

[@cedricsimonakafrozenjazz]

Let it go!! :)

[@martinmorales9905]

@white sea studio i need help!!!!! im mixing my first vocal track for my friend, i have izotope neutron 2, nector 3 and im going to use fab filters reverb, my question is what the fuck do i do first? do i use neutron first then nector then reveb last? or neutron and fabfilter and forget about nector 3? or should i just shut the fuck up and stick to making the music? thanks

[@5592justin]

4:54 , there's your good laugh

[@holy0damn]

a lot of mainstream releases on streaming platforms suffer from that, it gets tiring to ears fast

[@ssmIXpRo]

straight went to buy the plugin , i got a discount of 20$ , is it because i clicked your link (in description) like a sponsor thing ?

[@Whiteseastudio]

No, it is discounted for everybody for the next few weeks

[@donnythompson408]

“All you need is LUFS!” Okay. You now owe me one new computer keyboard, as a result of me spitting my coffee all over it while laughing out loud. 😉

[@SKRMusicOfficial]

So mastering at -7 LUFS is actually too much?

[@tylerdurden6992]

depends on the track for edm -9 to -6 is normal

[@paulieranks7859]

House Music Production drum and bass producers are averaging around -3, I’ve seen tracks hit even as high as -1

[@theamazingnature2438]

I love your referee♦️

[@trentmiller6123]

Thanks for another great video! Are the LUFS goals for the different genres and streaming services measured over the entire track (long-term) or at just the loudest section of the track (short-term)? No one seems to have this answer and I’d love to know what it is!

[@ProductionAdvice]

The loudness measurements are made over a whole song. But none of the streaming services except TIDAL actually use LUFS, which is why we made the plugin and website :-)

[@jorgepeterbarton]

Lufs still dont factor frequency too much. You can have same lufs and one sounds louder to me. So what i dont like is thinking its preferable to remove low end to sound louder, and use less compression. Well actually i like sub with compression (i mean at ~-12lufs) its better than no low end. Anyone else noticed this? -perhaps its just using compression appropriately, id say not switching to filtering instead

[@alexadros2311]

Omg that VAR sketch

[@Whiteseastudio]

😳

[@Bucking_Fastard]

Here's my question: Does this even matter? I mean, if the streaming services will turn down some tracks (and push up others depending on their loudness) so that all music sounds relatively at the same volume, why bother checking the penalties and so on? Why not just master the music to a loudness, that serves the track itself (If it's a Hardstyle track, it will obviously have be louder than a Folk track etc.) and then just leave the streaming services to adjust the loudness as they need?

[@slapshot14imo]

that is the point he was making about streaming sites putting an end to the loudness war. BUT, as he mentioned, if you get your mastered track pushed up cuz it's too quiet, it may fudge your sound. It's probably better to be a little too loud and have it pulled down versus pushed up.

[@Madrrrrrrrrrrr]

Yes because most loudness normalisation system overcorrects loudness on both sides of the spectrum wrong when it needs to do it too much. And to make matters worse only Tidal uses a true LKFS measurement system as far as we know. The rest is not a standard or mixes of. To keep it simple: you want to keep the best quality and keep the most dynamics you use this plug always at 0 LU for every platform. Now if you need to master a hardstyle track this becomes difficult because that genre doesn't really know dynamics or definition at all :P But seriously. 99,99% of the people here posting will never run at 0 LU. They say they care about true dynamics but most of them don't because of their peers/fashion and ignorance. Only real audiophile's know. Back to the real world: that's why they invented LUFS. It's anti loudness war. LUFS and True peaks? If you know how to gainstage and master a track you don't need this plugin. So yes mix accordingly but if you squash a track like this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d3vXdYt_lt-lg9E a LKFS system make your mix engineer and mastering guy look like fools.

[@TonyPelosi-music]

There's another hassle: trying to convince your client that the master you're giving is loud enough. He goes home, shows the song to friends, and they compared with some lousy hit-for-the-week song, and just say: 'this is selling a million, can't you put your louder?"

[@ProductionAdvice]

Send them to the website (www.loudnesspenalty.com) so they can preview it for themselves and hear how it will sound :-)

[@TonyPelosi-music]

@@ProductionAdvice thanks, I didn't know about this website! Great! I'm already buying the software to facilitate hearing on the fly, but having that on the web is precious. Thank you again.

[@ProductionAdvice]

@@TonyPelosi-music It's a pleasure, I hope you find it useful !