Isaac Newton: Laws of motion from the law of God | Stephen Meyer on the Scientific Revolution

[@lucienboute]

I never get tired of watching Dr Tour and Stephen Meyer, very inspirational

[@Reclaimer77]

Me neither. Whenever I need a good laugh from two of the dumbest most-punchable looking faces on KZbin, they never fail to deliver!

[@oliverjamito9902]

Who are worth RESPECTING, HONORING, and LOVING. Who love with patience, mercy, and grace! Yes, my Heirs Hosts sitteth upon judgment and justice with the "AM"! The "I AM" will say shared "i" AM come forth! Now sincere conversations can take place! From the SINGULARITY! SINGULARITY come here! Who ye will say? The I Am ye are! Through thee, by thee, and for thee! All made that are made including all Feet resting upon Thy FOOTSTOOL! FOWL OF THE AIR come here! Who ye will say? And the Air nor heaven above! Ye sitting upon the Clouds resting upon the NEW Permanent Foundation no one can uproot nor shaken but here to stay for good. Well said! Pop what is up and down? Balance come here! Who ye will say? Sitteth upon afar EAST and the West! Indeed. Now balance go find thy rightful place upon all my FEET resting upon my Footstool! Yes, will recognize Who? Yes, even Ai nor...can't move forward without my BALANCE!

[@oliverjamito9902]

Ascending and descending needs balance!

[@Stupidityindex]

You ignore the fact, not all of us can pretend prophesy & God exist. That is why Jesus Christ says, "Think not I come with peace, but sword". It is amusing to hear the profound arrogance of someone knowing of God, as if He were known outside of fiction. The believer & the literate are separated by the vocabulary of fiction: Blasphemy, God, faith, prayer, prophet, scripture etc. Matthew 17:20 He replied, “Because you have so little faith. Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.” I like asking believers how they can possibly think their faith is respectable, given Jesus said faith is worthless, since you can't expect obedience when ordering mountains to move? Freud wrote, "The antidote to Christianity is literacy". "Now they know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall". What is The Catholic faith? Organized crime, indoctrinating children with a fantasyland vocabulary? When men are free of religious notions they write, "The antidote to Christianity is literacy." "My sheep hear My voice" is the mindset of slavery. Once free of it, there are no suggestions we all travel better by having one foot in a stranger's fantasyland or Garden of Eden. A mind free of religious text is not tortured by pretending Divinity made Mormons so Christians would know how Jews feel, having pasted their books on to them both. Those looking for the sign of a resurrection, are a vile, "Wicked Generation" seeking signs, led by "wolves in sheep's clothing". "The only sign is that of Jonah"; a believer murdered by other believers. Chained to the slavery of faith, they write: "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is everyone that hangeth on a tree:" Galatians 3:13 One must be insanely arrogant to suggest knowing something of a God. It is by boldness, Moses became the world's worst navigator, by having one foot in some fantasyland. There is a fine line between fishing & standing on the shore, looking like an idiot. Fail to get the Jews to buy it for 2000 years & they should know who their Messiah is. Jesus is a fake, to immortalize the war against the Jews. Jesus Christ is crucified for all time in literature & the subjects of Rome are illiterate. Freud wrote, "The antidote to Christianity is literacy" & the joke is in the scriptures. "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:" Galatians 3:13 An improvement on your God & faith; would outlaw indoctrination & abuse of the vocabulary of fiction on children. CREATING CHRIST - Official Documentary

[@timothyyoung4463]

​@@StupidityindexLol.... So you cut and paste this diatribe underneath every other comment.... not sure what you are trying to say.... Not sure if you understand it either. Would love to hear original thoughts if you have some.

[@sam79014]

You have no idea how much of a blessing you have been to my small Christian community in Ghana. I pray for grace for you to continue.🙏

[@Ridethebomb777]

If you found Dr Tour inspiring, you would appreciate Mauro Biglino, ex Vatican translator, who has short videos here on YT with an ex Australian minister. They discuss the Old Testament ...... fascinating and thought provoking stuff. Enjoy.

[@Reclaimer77]

LOL blessings to Ghana??? Christian/Catholic colonialists come to your country in the middle of the biggest HIV crisis ever, and tell you using condoms is a sin. Blessings? They have blood on their hands!

[@65gtotrips]

I just saw a documentary about the beach in Ghana teeming with discarded clothing from all over the world…Literally a mountain of fabric.

[@john318john]

@@65gtotrips Is the video and conversation has anything to do with your comment?

[@Stupidityindex]

You ignore the fact, not all of us can pretend prophesy & God exist. That is why Jesus Christ says, "Think not I come with peace, but sword". It is amusing to hear the profound arrogance of someone knowing of God, as if He were known outside of fiction. The believer & the literate are separated by the vocabulary of fiction: Blasphemy, God, faith, prayer, prophet, scripture etc. Matthew 17:20 He replied, “Because you have so little faith. Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.” I like asking believers how they can possibly think their faith is respectable, given Jesus said faith is worthless, since you can't expect obedience when ordering mountains to move? Freud wrote, "The antidote to Christianity is literacy". "Now they know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall". What is The Catholic faith? Organized crime, indoctrinating children with a fantasyland vocabulary? When men are free of religious notions they write, "The antidote to Christianity is literacy." "My sheep hear My voice" is the mindset of slavery. Once free of it, there are no suggestions we all travel better by having one foot in a stranger's fantasyland or Garden of Eden. A mind free of religious text is not tortured by pretending Divinity made Mormons so Christians would know how Jews feel, having pasted their books on to them both. Those looking for the sign of a resurrection, are a vile, "Wicked Generation" seeking signs, led by "wolves in sheep's clothing". "The only sign is that of Jonah"; a believer murdered by other believers. Chained to the slavery of faith, they write: "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is everyone that hangeth on a tree:" Galatians 3:13 One must be insanely arrogant to suggest knowing something of a God. It is by boldness, Moses became the world's worst navigator, by having one foot in some fantasyland. There is a fine line between fishing & standing on the shore, looking like an idiot. Fail to get the Jews to buy it for 2000 years & they should know who their Messiah is. Jesus is a fake, to immortalize the war against the Jews. Jesus Christ is crucified for all time in literature & the subjects of Rome are illiterate. Freud wrote, "The antidote to Christianity is literacy" & the joke is in the scriptures. "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:" Galatians 3:13 An improvement on your God & faith; would outlaw indoctrination & abuse of the vocabulary of fiction on children. CREATING CHRIST - Official Documentary

[@tiffanymagee2700]

Two of my favorite speakers. Thank you for all you do to promote real science!

[@alanmcnaughton3628]

​@Robert-ct6bc On the other hand, falcly so called science is what the powers that be rely on just as the apostles Paul said they would. Bible. 1 Timothy 6:20 [20]O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

[@alanmcnaughton3628]

Bible. 1 Timothy 6:20 [20]O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

[@magnusdude61]

I could listen to dr Meyer lecture all day long

[@Sparrow-hawk-666]

As good a cure for insomnia as any, I suppose.

[@Reclaimer77]

It's preaching quite literally to the choir. He couldn't give a scientific lecture if his life depended on it.

[@thomasjane4167]

​@@Reclaimer77 He's smarter than you, so what does that make you? Shelf stocker?😂😂😂

[@HS-zk5nn]

indeed he is great

[@Sparrow-hawk-666]

@@HS-zk5nn A great lump of nothing is more like it.

[@pearljameric]

I loathe how I was tricked into believing there was no God in my younger years. Thank you guys for what you're doing

[@adriatik7070]

There are people who would say the reverse

[@Frettingfret]

@@adriatik7070 Many people react better to belief in god when it is not forced upon them. Organized religion can often lose its roots in worship of God, personally I feel it should always be the individual’s choice to accept God.

[@wyattcole5452]

It’s truly a strange thing to believe

[@wyattcole5452]

@Robert-ct6bcwhat makes you think reason has anything to do with not being religious? Youre just proving your ignorance toward the subject.

[@wyattcole5452]

@Robert-ct6bc you don’t think something that created the laws of physics can bend them if it wanted? You don’t think god lives apart from laws of physics? And why would you be able to test it? What tests have they done to try to prove god can interact with reality? God has to obey scientists when they ask him something? And what about religions where none of this applies? Where they don’t make these claims?

[@alexhudson-]

I was 10 years old in 1996 and sitting with my family at the seatac airport in Washington waiting for a flight to Disneyland and I asked my dad if I could pick out a book in the store by our flight's gate and he said sure, but hurry up and pick one. I grabbed the first book completely based off the front cover and it was Darwin's Black Box by Michael Behe. My dad bought it and actually read it first and gave it back to me and said I won't have any idea what it's about and told me to hold onto it and read it later. 20 years later in 2016 grabbed it out of my dusty closet and I read the book. Not until 2022 did I even discover that James and Stephen on KZbin let alone their association for lack of a better term with Michael Behe. Still blows my mind.

[@Sparrow-hawk-666]

And how, exactly, did Tour and Meyer, let alone that old fraud Behe, manage to overthrow all of science?

[@Reclaimer77]

Michael Behe has been debunked 12 ways from Sunday. He got DESTROYED in Kitsmiller vs. Dover. He's a liar and a fraud. Irreducible Complexity has been thoroughly falsified as a valid theory, quite easily I may ad.

[@tomyossarian7681]

And their association in the christian propaganda cesspool called Discovery Institute did not make you blush? How creepy!

[@Bomtombadi1]

The ID crowd is a small band of special r3t@rds

[@Owlshead110]

Me too! I read that books and it confirmed my faith in a Creator. Then someone pointed out he was "debunked". That is the refute of the blind.

[@asphilosophyusa]

Newton... a brilliant man who made incalculable contributions to the progress of mankind.

[@masada2828]

His best writings were on religion, he cracked the code on the Book of Revelation- his book is “The Prophecies of Daniel & the Apocalypse” (because the book is written in code & marries up with Daniel).

[@Infowarrior08]

He wrote more about Alchemy!

[@emmanuel8310]

​@@Infowarrior08 Religion/Theology actually

[@therealkingbaldwin]

​@@masada2828Newton was an Arian

[@SmilingCamperVan-fn4em]

@@therealkingbaldwin prove it

[@raymondndungu6447]

Thanking God for you brothers, following from Kenya 🙏🏾

[@marcelamuresanu2018]

May Lord Jesus bless you all ❤❤❤❤

[@csmoviles]

Thank you both for your ministry ❤❤❤❤. May God bless you all❤❤❤❤

[@RedBird77]

2 of my heroes. This is so enjoyable and fascinating.

[@Bomtombadi1]

These two are your heroes? You choose not to aim higher?

[@HS-zk5nn]

indeed a great scientist and philosopher/historian

[@utopiabuster]

​@@Bomtombadi1, Any suggestions?

[@crabb9966]

Thank you for sharing these conversations.

[@AdamosDad]

A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of His hands. 2Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they reveal knowledge

[@Holstson]

Thank you for sharing the scripture :-)

[@AdamosDad]

@@Holstson Thank you and thank God.

[@alexandraasbury9974]

Great verse. Thank you!!!

[@AdamosDad]

@@alexandraasbury9974 The Bible: love it.

[@narclem]

It is so interesting how scripture at times unfolds itself, divulges its meaning to us. This portion of scripture always seemed confusing to me but listening to persons such as these two and others like John Lennox, Hugh Ross to name a few have opened the meaning of previously misunderstood scripture. Thank you Lord for using them in this manner.

[@tiffanymagee2700]

I loved every minute of this interview! Thank you!!

[@eljarrito8181]

The naturalists complain that God is "off limits" because they can't "put Him in a test-tube". That is of course true... He would not be God if we could put Him in a test-tube. As the Creator, He is transcendent and outside of His creation. So ANY analogy that we try to use to understand Him uses created objects and concepts. Thus they are all doomed to fail beyond the most simplistic and basic levels. Still, I can experience His grace and redemption, I can love Him and be loved, and the most intense hours of worship in my life have come when I stumbled across instances of His infinite wisdom deep within the molecular biology of my cells. It is absolutely stunning...

[@violinhunter2]

Excellent comment.

[@PHDinADHD]

Christians tell us that he can't be put in a test tube.

[@kablammy7]

i appreciate your comment ! here is what i wrote as a general comment about what dr meyer said - what do you think ? -> life itself is a continuous miracle and yet - you want to relegate God's work to being only using natural phenomenon ? - what about the transubstantiation of the eucharist ? is that just a big wind that blows particles of Jesus into the bread and wine molecules so that they just get replaced by natural phenomenon ? what happens to the bread and wine molecules ? - oh - i got it now - and this probably explains the water to wine problem ( below ) - you think God causes certain atomic particles to break off from some atoms and then they travel and interact with the new atomic particles of the substance needing to be changed - so that the water gets hit by atomic particles that were torn off other things like rocks or something and then they attack the water molecules in the right way for perfect wine to get infused with all the properties of aged fine win - and the eucharist must be just more atomic particles torn off some rocks somewhere and then impacted into the bread and the wine is just the right way to make them turn into the body and blud of Jesus . - that does not seem to be a sound doctrine or a good religion or a true worship of the living God . - well then if miracles are just operational interventions which only use natural phenomenon - how did God get the fermented grape juice in the containers that were full of water - by natural phenomenon ? did He cause a wind to blow a bunch of grapes into a pile in a super hot area - or maybe out into space where the sun dried them then back on earth - where the wind beat them against some rocks until they were powder - then the wind directly blew the powder - along with the right bacteria into the water into the jugs ? - then - by a super scarce natural phenomenon - He made the bacteria act in a fashion that almost never happens but it does with exactly the right conditions - the germs did the equivalent activity of 100 months of fermentation and aging - in only 5 seconds time . - i bet you may also believe that God created all the animals and even humans in the same way - all by physical / natural / phenomenon . - your faith is so incomplete - that it appears not to be in the living God - but in the physical world

[@IIrandhandleII]

Leprechauns are also not testable. They are transcendent.

[@rebanelson607]

​@@IIrandhandleII does the tooth fairy fall into this transcendent category? In other words, if it is not physically verifiable ("physics is EVERYTHING") then it must be transcendent This is scientism and it is as dead as the New Atheists.

[@bobdalton2062]

This was so excellent!! Steven is a wealth of information , knowledge and wisdom! It's always a pleasure to hear him explain ! Having myself read the Principia (cover to cover), I can confirm what Steven mentioned. Thank you both for this!

[@Sparrow-hawk-666]

Sorry, but Stephen Meyer is just another creationist, a young earth one at that. The science is solidly against him and Wee Jimmy.

[@Bomtombadi1]

He’s a moron

[@johnclowers]

you guys are great. thanks for taking the time to do these pods

[@AlexCPauwels85]

I have a 8 year old who is fascinated by astronomy and all things science and as a mother I want him to know how can the Christian faith sustains the scientific advances so this discussion is a blessing from God so I can inform myself better so I can teach and guide him ❤️🙏 God bless you brethren

[@Sparrow-hawk-666]

Just be sure to point out that in astronomy, one needs objective evidence in the form of real observations for hypotheses; in religion, one doesn't. I hope your son does well in science.

[@olivermakower4032]

I believe that Tom Hollands work may be a worth while contribution to your goal.

[@utopiabuster]

​@@Sparrow-hawk-666, What religion?

[@Sparrow-hawk-666]

@@utopiabuster Yours.

[@utopiabuster]

@@Sparrow-hawk-666, Which one is that, mind reader. My beliefs are based on facts, observations, experience, and reason. What are your beliefs based on? Can you define "objective evidence"? What's "real observations"? Hypothesis - supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation. Philosophy(hypothesis) - proposition made as a basis for reasoning, without any assumption of its truth. Thanks for playing.

[@warwolf6359]

Fantastic discussion! Thank you!

[@Claire5020GEN]

We need to hear this! Thank you, brothers 👍✝️🙏❤️

[@rosamaaninka9272]

Thank you both🙏🏼🤍 you do amazing work. Thank you!!!

[@noelajones619]

I’m a common garden Christian and have just delighted in listening to you two Scholars think out loud. What a treat as you bring out Sir Isaac Newton’s Biblical understanding of the trinity (I prefer triunity). Thank you for letting me eavesdrop. ❤

[@felipechua991]

I am now 63 y.o, a young minister yet I felt so much that I didn't know. These videos are very appropriate for seekers of truth but skeptical about explanations of Bible truth. God truly is magnificent. I will follow your video

[@sallyferguson4615]

I just had to lift my hands in worship as I let these words wash over me in my Sabbath worship today. God caused this to be the centre and direction of my worship of Him. So peaceful, reassuring and devotional.

[@hiddensword8911]

Woooooow!!! Two amazing minds explaining God’s amazing work.

[@rac7773]

Cannot wait! Thank you , Guys!

[@ferrisbeuler8657]

Wow, Dr Meyer is the smartest guy I know. Praise God for mighty men like these.

[@vicom134]

You just think that because he says stuff you like to hear.

[@shadowlazers]

Do you actually know him if he's the smartest guy you've encountered in one way or the other you don't get out much

[@enidsnarb]

Yes in the name of Jesus Christ ! 45 years ago early in faith I was in a 1960 VW bug with my friend who had tons of faith and we broke down in a very very bad place in South Central Los Angeles for us , like going into a meat grinder ! We tried and tried to push start the car and nothing ! I would go back and check the spark and look at the fuel lines but still nothing ! Finally in a last desperate attempt my friend says as I pull out the clutch for the umteenth time ; “ in the name of Jesus Christ I command you to start” and wow if it didn’t start right then and we drove out of a very rough gang neighborhood back to the sticks ! The kind of memory that really stays with you ! The name indeed!!!

[@Reclaimer77]

.....like..really??? This is all it takes to convince you a GOD that sees kids die by the millions gave a damn about your freaking VW bug starting??? How about this: The VW bug's carburetor was flooded (a ubiquitous problem with those) and when your idiot friend finally stopped trying to start it and stopped to pray, the fuel siphoned out of it so the normal starting process would work. Isn't that obviously the FAR more likely explanation?

[@Bomtombadi1]

And yet during the entire time you were trying to start the car, not one vagrant attempted to cause you harm. THIS was your big story of faith? Jesus validating your xenophobia?

[@violinhunter2]

Things like this do happen............ Something similar happened to my little sister.

[@Reclaimer77]

@@violinhunter2 What's more likely: 1. While millions of babies were dying and such, god took a time-out to personally answer a prayer so a 1960 VW bug could start? Or: 2. The carburetor was flooded and when this moron finally stopped trying to start it and began to pray, that gave it the time it needed to get un-flooded so it could start? If you don't say #2 and instead invoke miracles, you were dropped on your head.

[@Reclaimer77]

@@violinhunter2 The carburetor was flooded! Like omg you people LOL. It was NOT a miracle. 🤣🤣🤡

[@Barbara-jc9ot]

This is a wonderful talk. Thank you so much. As a Catholic, I find more and more delight in science as it shows the Mind of an all knowing, almighty, everlasting Creator. This brings peace in a world that has gone mad.

[@Sparrow-hawk-666]

Speaking as an ex-Catholic, I realised that religion and science are totally incompatible. Nothing was ever discovered using religion, and the technology you use to promote your religion was achieved through science, not religion.

[@mickknight6963]

I love what Lennox says when people accuse him of ascribing to notion of "the God of the gaps". He says, "I believe God is the reason for the whole show! The things we do know as well as the things we don't know." That's a very important distinction. Just because we do not know what energy is, what gravity is, and many other natural forces we interact with daily, to say God is behind it, is not a cop out. For He is also behind all the things we can explain mechanically in science. But its just that these particular mysteries leave us with nothing else to talk about except the wonder of creation and giving credit where credit is due. GOD. This is fascinating.

[@Sparrow-hawk-666]

Trouble is, all these gods, including Lennox's, are pure make-believe. It's just god of the gaps arguing, and a waste of everyone's time. No theologian ever had any evidence for the god they believed in, all they ever had was faith. And no two could ever agree!

[@shadowlazers]

Especially since there are many other naive individuals like yourself claiming it's their God that did it

[@earleneschmitt3326]

Great pgm Dr Tour and Dr Meyer! Hugh Ross has some interesting talks and articles on trinity as well!

[@bobdalton2062]

So much in this to love, but eye-opening to my thinking was Steven Myers commenting that scientist think they understand something as causal when it's merely descriptive of what we observe! That concept is so important for all of us to realize! We mathematically describe many observations of science but we do not understand the cause!

[@Sparrow-hawk-666]

Science isn't merely descriptive, it's also prescriptive. By uncovering the laws of nature, we can predict events before they happen. We know that stepping off a cliff will result in a fall. Religion doesn't teach us anything as practical.

[@Sparrow-hawk-666]

I'd add that not understanding the underlying cause of nature is not an excuse to invent one. Perhaps nature is its own cause. And if you think nature had to have an external cause, then I'd ask, what caused that cause? Currently, the correct answer is "we don't know." Pretending we do doesn't help.

[@bobdalton2062]

@@Sparrow-hawk-666 why don't you tell me where the matter and energy in the Big Bang came from? "perhaps" does not cut it in science. Endless foolish speculations. What we know from the law of entropy and other laws of physics is that the universe did not create itself because that violates the laws we know that are super well proven. so there is something supernatural outside of time and space, something without without cause because it's eternal and not subject to the laws we observe. The known laws of physics say it's impossible for the universe to create itself, to believe it did is to not be a rational logical scientist

[@chrisrogers3436]

@Sparrow-hawk-666 When people say "we don't know" what they often really mean is "let's not think about it."

[@Sparrow-hawk-666]

@@chrisrogers3436 Lots of scientists investigating the origins of the universe, and life as well, are atheists. Others are various religious believers, just not fundies. Believe me, we're very interested in finding out true answers, rather than believing the contradictory tall tales found in every scripture. Poor response from you, obviously you didn't want to think about it much.

[@gregpfaffe4098]

“ But Jesus said to them, “You do not know what you are asking! …”Mark.10. LEB I really appreciate your discussions on Christology. He is the standard of our orthodoxy

[@Act4Christ]

"Wow, this was a fantastic video on Isaac Newton .I especially loved the new insight you presented . It really adds another layer to understanding Newton's life ,work and his faith in Christianity. Thanks for such a well-researched and engaging video!" Thanks Dr Tour & Stephen Meyer !🥰 . Prayers from India, Kerala !

[@5crownsoutreach]

You gentleman are in the business of bringing truth and clarity of thought. God bless you.

[@chrissi3193]

This is just excellent teaching , so well presented with the profoundest implications. Thanks boys!

[@chrissi3193]

That said, Newton's theology is a bit arcane. He is famous for his humility re his science merely being God letting him throw a pebble or two ,and in standing on the shoulders of giants. His originality, genius and achievements are as Godly as it gets. He sought Truth for us all,and for eternity. A flawed human alright, but those who'd accuse him of heresy are in far more mortal peril than he is.

[@johandupreez4693]

This has been the most influential and revelational discussion I've ever listened too. My mind is absolutely buzzing with confirmation of events in my Christian walk and could have sat in and participated based on that. Considering I'm a layman in terms of what you discussed yet I know I was meant to listen to this discussion and that appointment came about by the prompting of the Holy Spirit. I'll quote some things that came to mind. There is a limit to our understanding. Our wisdom is as foolishness before God. Newton knew this and that's when it is enough to believe and recieve. In Him we live and move and have our being . Once I understood that God is for me and not against me and he would never leave me nor forsake me, I simply asked the Holy spirit to help me believe and recieve the ability to walk in the realm it changed everything. Thank you so much for this, you are doing a wonderful work which will transform mediocre Christians into true believers. God bless you !!

[@htcbenoni]

I agree with Dr Meyer's view of miracles - of God not violating any laws. The fact that Jesus walked on the water, not floating above it, illustrates the point perfectly well.

[@Sparrow-hawk-666]

How? And what point?

[@lilianacort8750]

​​​​@@Sparrow-hawk-666 well my hypothesis from looking into it briefly is Jesus was taking advantage of the surface tension and buoyancy. If there is enough pressure going up rather than down into the water it causes the water to go up towards the surface, pushing it up. Causing an object to float on the surface of the water similar to small insects that will walk on water to drink and fly off. But if there is enough pressure going down then it causes the water to push it down like dropping a baseball into a pool of water. So it could be possible he had more oxygen in his body that caused his body to float like a basketball floating on water. Or he had lost enough mass to become light enough to take advantage of the surface tension and buoyancy But again my hypothesis can't explain why it could've happened, only the scriptures told us why, but it's more of how it could've happened.

[@lilianacort8750]

​@Sparrow-hawk-666 Honestly, my hypothesis is, that another scientist also hypothesized, is that there was a thin layer of ice enough to hold Jesus up. Just like bugs when they are able to walk on water the waters temperatures have to be colder for the molecules to start tightening up enough without becoming a solid. The small insects can take advantage of the surface tension and buoyancy. But often when the water is too hot the insect will sink down because the molecules are so spread apart it pulls them down the free spaces. So the father possibly changed the weather conditions to cause the water to be just cold enough to create this thin layer of ice for his sons mass to have the ability to walk on water. This explains the how But what's the why? In scripture Peter was told to come out to the water with Jesus having faith in our Lord. The father could've been proud of Peter to have that amount of faith in his son to walk on water with him so he had made just the right enough of cold temperatures to create the thin ice piece but when he had fear came onto him he had lost his faith in him, remember he is the way to the father so if we dont have faith in him our fathers hand is father from us. So by fearing what would happen to him Gods hand that is outside of the law of nature, space, and time because hes the creator of the laws of our universe. It started to go into the phase of the water heating up just enough in that area to start spacing the molecules to then start breaking down that just perfectly thin layer of ice that matched peters body mass.

[@lilianacort8750]

​​​@@Sparrow-hawk-666Honestly, my hypothesis is, that another scientist also hypothesized, is that there was a thin layer of ice enough to hold Jesus up. Just like bugs when they are able to walk on water the waters temperatures have to be colder for the molecules to start tightening up enough without becoming a solid. The small insects can take advantage of the surface tension and buoyancy. But often when the water is too hot the insect will sink down because the molecules are so spread apart it pulls them down into the free spaces. So the father possibly changed the weather conditions to cause the water to be just cold enough to create this thin layer of ice for his sons mass to have the ability to walk on water. This explains the how But what's the why? In scripture Peter was told to come out to the water with Jesus having faith in our Lord. The father could've been proud of Peter to have that amount of faith in his son to walk on water with him so he had made just the right enough of cold temperatures to create the thin ice piece but when he had fear came onto him he had lost his faith in him, remember he is the way to the father so if we dont have faith in him our fathers hand is father from us. So by fearing what would happen to him Gods hand that is outside of the law of nature, space, and time because hes the creator of the laws of our universe. It started to go into the phase of the water heating up just enough in that area to start spacing the molecules to then start breaking down that perfectly thin layer of ice that matched peters body mass.

[@lilianacort8750]

@Robert-ct6bc Yes in the Middle East because at the time 2600 -1600 years ago when the time Jesus had lived, it was one of the two coldest periods of the time. Dropping down to 25 degrees Fahrenheit (-4 Celsius) The scientist I was referencing was in a video Scientist gives a possible explanation for Jesus walking on water by the channel named AP

[@DrakRahi]

Wow, sounds like Newton was much more orthodox than I had been told for so many years. Glad to hear it! It sounds like his motivation and dedication to biblical theology was very sound.

[@lostat400]

The wisdom of God is manifest in the works of creation.

[@Bijinstraightstudio]

Absolutely 💯

[@rnmbf1]

Absolutely love our brother Dr. Tour!!!! God has and will continue to speak the truth!!!!May Jesus continue to bless and protect you and ALL those you touch!!! Amen!!! If people truly want to know the Truth, they cannot deny that ALL THINGS POINT TO JESUS and God!!!

[@65gtotrips]

Science itself was born out of believer’s desire to understand the works and Creation of God.

[@Sparrow-hawk-666]

Well, we can't choose our parents. But science outgrew religion.

[@utopiabuster]

​@@Sparrow-hawk-666 , What religion?

[@DaleDurost]

Such a joy and privilege to stand on your shoulders, think your deep thoughts and see the wonders you have seen. Thank you for your insights. I am a, now retired, high school graduate. Not burdened by trying to plumb such deep mysteries. To me God, time, space and material are simple. God sustains all things. The universe had a beginning, and one day will end. Just as a musician can create a musical note, the music continues as long as the artist chooses. The music is sustained by the artist. We are all part of the music of God.

[@SamDurrance]

Great discussion. Enjoyed it greatly and strengthened my faith.

[@jimpsonuyaguari9665]

Thank you for sharing this good knowledge, thank you Dr. Tour, thank you Dr. Meyer. May the Lord God shine his face upon you two men of God in the name of our Lord Jesus Savior.

[@ianhand4845]

Magnificent explanation and understanding. Great help to science and Faith in Jesus

[@mattleitner5194]

Wow, thank you both for this conversation. I am so grateful to be a Christian. Ps. 8:3-9 When I consider… the work of thy fingers… what is man that thou are mindful of him?… our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all of the earth!

[@fencegecko]

This was uplifting. Thank you.

[@marshalbass7098]

This is one of the best talks I've heard in a while. Bravo gentlemen. This discussion is critically important. No material explanation. What is it? Back to the ether!

[@temfish]

Can't wait. 🙌🙌

[@ZiaUddin-eo7pd]

Finally someone on KZbin calling genius folks to talk❤ Thank you

[@francevenezia]

Nature is in itself is miraculous. Huge, long-living redwoods coming from relatively small, dead seed.

[@Lucky-ws3hx]

Amazing discovery you two. Thanks for sharing your "light" on this subject and the beauty of your love for God our father. 🎉❤😊

[@MelanieDupre-z6l]

“My thoughts are nothing like your thoughts, “ says the Lord. “And My ways are far beyond anything you could imagine.” ~ Isaiah 55:8~

[@Bijinstraightstudio]

Dr. Tour, you're easy to admire and love as a brother in Christ. What an example of an amazing and wonderful follower of Yeshua you are! You walk the walk. God BLESSES us through you. Thank you for loving us. You're like the best big brother any person could ask for. You love your siblings in Christ. I can't wait to meet you after we are ruptured to say thank you. If I understand correctly, your blessings will be magnified and we will all be asking you (and other Jews) to teach us and help us understand more.

[@francevenezia]

Difficult for humans to define GOD. God by definition is GOOD and BEYOND KNOWING.

[@matthewstokes1608]

And His Spirit and Light still live in His own Holy Bible - because there is only one God - the very Father who created us - whom we betrayed - but who loved us so much that He sent His Son to come among us - that we find Him back - ONLY through the path of Christ - precisely as is written in the Living Light.

[@oliverjamito9902]

Pop and my Heir Host thank you for attending! Thank you for not forgetting the little LAD!

[@Michael-im1vc]

Wow, very insightful and I'm only 17 minutes in to the discussion. Here's what is striking me now.... in regards to what is being laid out as miracles/ God's intervention; the concept of faith keeps recurring to me. Could it be that faith itself has physical properties that apply in the realm of physics? The Red Sea parted after Moses displayed faith by raising his staff, likewise the miracles before Pharaoh. Peter, displayed the faith of Yeshua on the stormy sea, for a few moments... Joshua and the Hebrews at Jericho.... And later at "the long day of Joshua". Over and over and over, this is demonstrated. Even in teachings.... "faith moves mountains" etc Perhaps faith, while spiritual, also has mass, momentum, and other physical properties that God chooses to use to exert His will on His creation?

[@Sparrow-hawk-666]

*_Perhaps faith, while spiritual, also has mass, momentum, and other physical properties..._* - Ummmm... how much does faith weigh? In grams or ounces?

[@Michael-im1vc]

@@Sparrow-hawk-666 maybe a sheckle or talent

[@Sparrow-hawk-666]

@@Michael-im1vc Not legal currency here in the UK!

[@Michael-im1vc]

@@Sparrow-hawk-666 they're also measures of weight 😉

[@Sparrow-hawk-666]

@@Michael-im1vc I learned something new today!

[@taylor-eugenesimmons8615]

This Is Just What I Been Looking For!!! Thank You Sooooo Much!!! The Legends Dr.'s Stephen Myers & Dr. James Tour!!! I Am Very Impressed With You All's Work!!!

[@Reclaimer77]

James Tour: Former Chemist current pastor??

[@Sparrow-hawk-666]

At his age, he has to play to his remaining strengths!

[@botohosumikibaminaga3297]

I thank God for creating James tour and Stephen ❤

[@Tiredcoffee1]

“ That seems pretty clear” 😂. All After a long wandering uncomfortable convoluted attempt to answer the question did Isaac Newton hold Arianism views. The quote from Isaac Newton itself fits neatly within the Arian framework. Earlier a premise was thrown out that Arianism Doesn’t believe Christ is divine. That is a clumsy strawman if I’ve ever seen one. Under Arianism Christ is divine. Isaac Newton’s theological views shared similarities with those of Arius, particularly regarding the origin of Jesus. Newton believed that Jesus had a distinct origin from God the Father, suggesting a subordinate relationship between them. Like Arius, Newton’s perspective implied that there was a time when Jesus did not exist as a divine being, aligning with the notion of Jesus having an actual origin rather than being co-eternal with God. In the General Scholium (mentioned in this video), Isaac Newton explores the concept of godship as a relative concept, but emphasizing Almighty God’s absolute authority and power. In a footnote, Newton references Jesus quoting from Psalms, suggesting that Jesus identified himself as divine in a limited sense, akin to others who’ve been considered divine throughout history. This illustrates Newton’s nuanced understanding of divinity and his interpretation of Jesus’s role in relation to God the Father. Isaac Newton believe that only God the Father, YHWH, Yahweh, Jehovah is the Almighty God. There’s only one religion that holds the same views of Isaac Newton regarding the True God and his Son.

[@DartNoobo]

I am sure there are unitarians beyond JWs, who are the most famous group to hold that view. I saw debates between Trinitarians and unitarians who were not JWs

[@Tiredcoffee1]

Unitarians do not hold a proper view of Christ Jesus and the glorious role he has had for billions of years. I understanding is that they believe in a form of adoptionism And they don’t believe Christ had a prehuman existence. Newton believed Christ had a prehuman existence as the logos.

[@emmanuel8310]

That's not really true though. Arianism says Jesus is of different "substance" (oiusa). Newton stays away from that word completely. He's just not into the Arianism Trinitarian debate. He's of a different category on his own. 2. Newton says Jesus is worthy of worship while Arianism denies Jesus being worshipped.

[@Tiredcoffee1]

@@emmanuel8310 please let me know in which of his works that he says that Jesus should be worshiped. If he’s discussing The greek proskyneō (reverence, obeisance, etc.) That falls in line with what I understand that he believes along with Arianism and what Jehovah’s Witnesses believe. Isaac Newton believed that God the Father, Jehovah, was the sole Pantokrator (Παντοκράτωρ), meaning the Creator of all things. He saw the Father as the ultimate force behind the universe’s design and order. The fact that Isaac Newton doesn’t delve into the 4th century rebranded Ousia (essence) as you mentioned is clear indication that he didn’t hold it to be scriptural. For someone as prolific as himself writing so much about the Bible why would he avoid it. If he believed in shared essence, we would have a lot of writings from him on it.

[@Tiredcoffee1]

@@DartNoobo Unitarians reject the Trinity as Isaac Newton and Arius did, but Unitarians believe in adoptionism where they do not believe Christ had a prehuman existence. Arius, Isaac Newton, and Jehovah’s Witnesses believe Christ Jesus had a glorious prehuman existence. That’s why I mentioned above a proper view of both Almighty God the Father and his son.

[@JudoMateo]

One of the best interviews ever on the subject of the relationship between Christianity and science. Thank you so much your wonderful Christian apologetics 🙏🏻

[@JohnvanRensburg]

Dr Tour and Dr Meyer, I admire you both tremendously but to claim Newton was a trinitarian is a far stretch and untrue. Newton believed Christ had divinity as he was the son of God, begotten by the Father. He did not believe he was co- equal and of the same substance as God but the son now seated at the right hand of the Father who will return to the earth. Newton was clearly Christian, but Christianity is not determined by the belief in the trinity. As Simon (Peter) said of Jesus, you are the messiah, the son of the living God

[@Sparrow-hawk-666]

What I'd ask you, is why believe in any religion at all? What's the evidence for any of the thousands of religions humans have claimed to be true? It's none at all.

[@JohnvanRensburg]

@@Sparrow-hawk-666 The choice to believe in a religion is from the sense that their must be more to our existance than being born, reacting to the world try to achieve some sense of fulfillment and then dying obliterating any attainment of of morality and ethical or spiritual development. I suppose the choice of religion is significantly effected by the time, geographic location and family / cultural environment in which one is born. My choice and belief is in that God has given us the option to choose life eternal over death, through belief in that his son died as an atonement for our sins and that God raised him from the dead as he will us. If you choose not to believe, that is fine but you then do no share the same hope. Through the choice of Christianity, your faith and believe in a higher morality helps you attain a higher morality and ethics thus improving this world as we know it. Belief also gives one a sense of purpose, fulfillment and comfort improving one's own view and life in significant ways. Thus it is a win win all around and highly recommend

[@Sparrow-hawk-666]

@@JohnvanRensburg Let's hope you haven't picked a false god to grovel before, because the real one will be truly ticked if we are to believe everything we've been told about gods. The one thing they share is wrath. The other thing they have in common is a curious reluctance to show us any of them exist. I found stopping believing improved my life immensely, and I'm very happy the scales fell from my eyes when I was a teen over 50 years ago.

[@JohnvanRensburg]

@@Sparrow-hawk-666 Besides being a Christian, I am also a libertarian and am pleased that you have found happiness with your choice. My choice and beliefs have also altered and changed over the last 60 years but have brought me contentment and comfort however I have no intention of forcing my beliefs on anyone. If someone is interested in my beliefs, I am happy to share them but if not, that is fine too. I believe I worship a loving God that does not require me to grovel but wants the best for me. If I have got it wrong, that is OK too because it has improved this life tremendously for me

[@Sparrow-hawk-666]

@@JohnvanRensburg Well, I don't believe that belief is really a choice. For example, I can't bring myself to believe that mutually contradictory propositions are true at the same time. When someone does believe in contradictory propositions, such as a god being simultaneously omnibenevolent and omnipotent, I think they do it on the basis of emotion rather than reason. They don't choose their belief, they adopt it because they need to believe in a higher power and purpose. Religious believers are welcome to their beliefs, it's not my intent to deconvert anyone and I've no illusions I can do that, but the danger posed is by those believers who also believe a theocracy is good policy, because then they force others to live by their own personal prejudices. As for Pascal's wager, that's been criticised every which way possible. If you're making bets, then your belief isn't sincere; and if you believe in the wrong god out of the thousands proposed, then you're damned anyway, so might as well believe in none. Saves time and effort! But good luck to you. :)

[@ithasbeenwritten222]

This has got to be the most satisfying conversation I have ever heard. I’ve always wanted to know pretty much everything that was discussed here, and the following questions were all the same questions I had. Then, as you went along, you answered they were answered the questions behind the questions as well! I loved that! Thank you Jesus for these men, thank you for giving us these answers, and thank you for opening my eyes to the truth so I can see them, because it’s crazy awesome!

[@Sparrow-hawk-666]

Yeah, two ignoramuses discussing science they've never read or understood is satisfying. Sure.

[@biblicaltheologyexegesisan9024]

Sir Isaac was into alchemy - loser - he was into hermeticism

[@crabb9966]

You have to elaborate. What did Newton specifically do that was heresy?

[@parsleypalace3272]

I really love interviews with Stephen Meyer. I especially am interested in the religious mind of Newton, and so this was a really great discussion, and clarified many aspects of that subject. Thanks for this!

[@Sparrow-hawk-666]

Well, religion had nothing to do with Newton's theories about motion and gravity. And that's what he's famous for, not his religion.

[@parsleypalace3272]

@@Sparrow-hawk-666 Yes, I know that. Thank you. However, I find his writings on religion interesting, too. I like the esoteric stuff.

[@Sparrow-hawk-666]

Ah, the Dynamic Duo from Discovery! What nonsense will they preach at us today? I can't wait - well, actually I can, because I'm not going to stay awake for this one. Isaac Newton was raised as an Anglican in the 18th century, graduated through a course at Trinity College, Cambridge, that should have forced him to become ordained, celibate, and recognise the 39 articles of the Church of England - a far cry from the evangelical Protestants of Tour and Meyer fame. He managed to avoid that with some help from sympathisers in the government of the day. It's good to be connected to influential politicians! Eventually, he became at the very most, a deist, denying trinitarianism or any other theology of the Tour/Meyer sort. And no, despite the silly title of this podcast, Newton's laws of motion didn't come from his devout reading of a bible or religion he didn't entirely believe in, but from an observation of natural events. At the very most, he considered natural laws were established by a "Deity", not by a Jesus. Apparently, he didn't even believe in an immortal soul - god, that must frustrate Tour and Meyer, except, of course, they'll skip right over that and pretend it never happened. Finally, he did his work in the 18th century, before Darwin's insights of the 19th century, and physics today has advanced 300 years since Newton's insights into how natural laws work, an insight Tour and Meyer have yet to experience. One wonders what Newton's mind could have conceived had he known what we - Tour and Meyer aside - know today?

[@chrisrogers3436]

This comment didn't age well. Next time, stay awake. Maybe you'll learn something.

[@Sparrow-hawk-666]

@@chrisrogers3436 Two ignoramuses discussing science that they don't read or understand is hardly edifying, son. I'd rather watch paint dry.

[@Sparrow-hawk-666]

@@chrisrogers3436 The only thing I'll ever learn from Tour and Meyer is how not to do science. And I already know that.

[@appaloosa42]

Well, oppositional bird, you have clearly declared yourself a non-believer. Hooray ( or not) for you. Now go eat your prey elsewhere.

[@SanctifyinTruth]

Great conversation, glad to hear it. God bless

[@biblicaltheologyexegesisan9024]

Liars

[@Sparrow-hawk-666]

Well, creationists like Tour and Meyer have an aversion to reality. What can you do?

[@robrobason]

Dr Meyer exhibits an impressive grasp of the nature of miracles in this interview. I am blown away by his insight - you could rightly call it inspiration, or even revelation. I believe he has been blessed by God with this understanding through the power of the Holy Ghost, who's mission is to reveal truth to the mind of man. The critical element of this understanding is that God ALWAYS works within his eternal laws, and never needs, or would, resort to exceptions in order to achieve his purposes. This is an essential characteristic of God: he commands us, his children, to keep his commandments because he knows that we can achieve any righteous desire without needing to resort to disobedience.

[@CameronJohnstonKC]

Thank you for this convo! God made Science! 🤷😊

[@MarkkuHoikkala]

Wonderful! Jtour has brought us closer to our Creator thru chemistry. Here, this conversation clarifies philosophy behind sciences and helps get a hold of the whole Bible in an additional manner.

[@Sparrow-hawk-666]

How, exactly, are we "closer to our creator" through chemistry? I thought the point was the "creator" exists outside chemistry.

[@MarkkuHoikkala]

Starting from the 'core': ...proverbs 8:23... Dr Tour has exposed that in no lab has life been created. For an economics major like me that notion helps not to worry about those who claim otherwise. Yet I wait for new findings from chemists, trusting still dr Tour's evaluations. And keeping proverbs 8, book of Job and apostle Peter in mind, as reference.

[@Sparrow-hawk-666]

@@MarkkuHoikkala Well, Jimmy is way out of his shallow depth on the evolution of biology and biochemistry, because of course, learning the relevant chemistry is forbidden to card-carrying young earth creationists. While it is true that no biochemist has mixed a test-tube of chemicals together with life emerging instantly, no-one except naïve creationists like Jimmy would expect that to happen as simply as that. However, biochemists understand the basis of life, and have made new forms of it in the form of genetically modified organisms. I doubt they'll crack abiogenesis in Jimmy's lifetime or mine, but what would he say if they did? Obviously, he'd just deny it ever happened, because his creationist views forbid anything else. He needs magic to be real for his faith to make any sense.

[@Sparrow-hawk-666]

@@MarkkuHoikkala What Jimmy Tour knows about research into the origin of life could be written on the back of a postage stamp using large type. His continued employment at Rice is a poor reflection on that university.

[@MarkkuHoikkala]

I have noticed that dr Tour is waiting for some answers from his opponents. In the meantime, I'll concentrate on causal factors nicely brought out by Stephen Meyer here.

[@Tee-roni]

I really love learning about how early scientists viewed Christianity. Great video, and I will have to watch it again.

[@wickius12]

My Brilliant Brothers, do this every week!

[@vincetoscano7018]

Thank you Dr. Tour for this very brilliant talk. I can remember being in grade school when I first was taught about Isaac Newton but not once talk about his background. Sad

[@kymdickman8910]

You could have researched it yourself.

[@vincetoscano7018]

@kymdickman8910 That is true. It was way before the internet. I didn't have the idea of doing research. This happened in grade school. I do whis at that time to be more knowledgeable.

[@marieschor-rutishauserphd6316]

Thank you both for all you do.

[@wcbessinger]

My brain hurts, which is a very good thing, haha... Thank you both! God bless you both for your work and refusal to budge. You're an example to many, I'm sure. 🙏

[@athb4hu]

This was so interesting. Thanks so much for what you do, both of you.

[@existentialsolutions]

I am so thankful that God raises up specialized scientific philosophers like you to reach atheists and intellectuals online. I would really love to take a Philosophy of Science Masters`class with you. I would be motivated and learn so much.

[@Third_Camp_fellowship]

I thoroughly enjoyed (understatement) the conversation. Not in the scientific field but I'm naturally curious and enjoy people's genius. Up there with the likes of Newton, in my eyes, these two are geniuses. God bless.

[@wendy_xiyo]

What an amazing interview. God bless you two great man.🙏

[@BrianSmith-gp9xr]

I love these discussions. They brought up our five senses. There may be light we can't see. Sounds we cant hear. Not may. It is so. Fasinating.

[@truincanada]

Wonderful to follow the history intelligently in this video. Yes it takes focus and a bit of a strong vocabulary translation in real time as Stephen explains his strata of examples that move what he's targeting forward, but it can be done. Very Very solid. Thank you gentlemen 😊

[@DaleBonnett-u3t]

Sounds. It's amazing how we can discern the difference between your voices. Our ears must certainly be finely tuned.

[@Kel-d7v]

Everyone seems to have celebrities that they like, these two men here are my version of a celebrity. And im not ashamed.

[@MuhammadArshad-tu6uk]

Thankyou Dr Tour and Stephen for this great discussion. I started off with stephen's book Return of the God Hypothesis. Coming from a science background (i am a physician by training) it was so helpful for my own spiritual strength as this increased my faith in God. This world with this scientific view makes more sense now!! Thankyou so much

[@Sparrow-hawk-666]

Oh goodie... Christian fundies and Muslim fundies see eye to eye on stuff. How could that possibly not go horribly wrong?

[@jonstreeter1540]

Fabulous interview. I’m a fan of both of these gentlemen.

[@rustusandroid]

Absolutely fascinating.

[@HJM0409]

Loved this great interview: but do another one with Newtons concept of time and God! I’d love to listen to that

[@joechambers7816]

Fantastic conversation. Thankful for both these great thinkers

[@LukeClemens]

What a fascinating topic! Thanks James and Stephen!

[@hackandslash873]

Just when Christian Zionism and the concerning history around dispensationalism shakes and depresses my faith, along you both come and help to restore. God bless you.

[@koroglurustem1722]

Hear oh Israel, YHWH Elohinu YHWH Echad! Worship One God alone. Islam is the only religion that has pure monotheism and accepts Jesus as the Messiah that will come second time to kill anti Christ.

[@phedders]

This was a fantastic discussion. Thank you guys.

[@michelleacledan5884]

As a science educator, i can only conclusde that our finite minds cannot fully know our God of infite wisdom...im in constant awe of Him...thank you for this conversation❤

[@Sparrow-hawk-666]

So what's your evidence for your god?

[@ronniemillsap]

@@Sparrow-hawk-666 huh?

[@Sparrow-hawk-666]

While I appreciate that as a human being, you can't explain your god, why invent it in the first place? I mean, science is about explaining stuff we can understand and predict, and it's very successful, as you must know because you post here using the technology science has made possible. What has your religion made possible, that wasn't possible before your religion was invented?

[@KoLecnac]

I love you both! God bless your work!

[@unique05]

It's always fascinating to me when intelligent people talking about Science with different backgrounds, but the most fascinating to me was they have something in common and that is they believed in God 🙏👌❤

[@kgmail7364]

This passage gives me peace when I struggle to think that I need to understand everything. Romans 11:33-36 33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! 34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor? 35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? 36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

[@conversative]

Fantastic discourse. Loved the content and the atmosphere.

[@regsilverside9089]

Two good men. We need more like them.

[@Tim.Foster123]

Fascinating explanation of Newton's high Christology. That was very informative, especially with respect to Newton's aversion to 'occultic' explanations.