What Does This New Research about Fossils Reveal about Noah's Flood? - Dr. Kurt Wise

[@anne-louise4766]

God bless you in your work, Prof. Wise! I'm excited to be on this journey with you. Many thanks.

[@musictheoryforeveryone7938]

This lecture is going to need several viewings to get a handle on all this information. Glad to see the level of scholarship being presented to the general public.

[@wawabbit]

Ha. I was just thinking the same thing!

[@dougblalock5175]

Just found this channel. I was educated at a Christian school just south of you, Toccoa Falls Institute now College. So glad to see people speaking the truth regarding the teachings of The Holy Scriptures. I’m old but still pray for the people of God. Your work is appreciated and expect to see you soon in The New Jerusalem. Shalom

[@nicolasfranco6490]

Found the zionist

[@williambillycraig1057]

@@nicolasfranco6490 "Found the person who makes statements without explaining how they came to their conclusion. How does dougblalock5175 statement show this person to be a zionist? I could respond to nicolasfranco6490 statement and say, "Found the fascist," but if I did without stating why I think the user is a fascist, the statement would tell you more about me than nicolasfranco6490. This was just another Drive-by-chat-attack

[@robertl.6919]

@dougblalock5175 So you believe that Noah got 13 million terrestrial creatures, including dinosaurs on his ark for few months ? He got to feed them all and get enough fresh water to fill an Olympic pool. Also, where did he get the meat to feed all the dinosaurs and the carnivores ? Just curious if you think that was plausible...

[@richiejourney1840]

@@robertl.6919do your due research first. This has been explained many, many, many times.

[@robertl.6919]

@@richiejourney1840 No need...There are many contradictory stories and explanations everywhere. My question is based on knowledge and facts... I want your opinion about it.

[@markmanning2921]

continuity would also be held if ONE fossil crossed the boundary between layers as has been shown with fossilized trees still standing vertically across layers. you know... over millions of years! amirite?

[@HOPELESSLYCRUSHED]

Dr. Wise, you seem to not feel well, I hope you are okay and will see a Doctor. Been watching you for many years and love your teaching, but strongly sense that you are not feeling well. I will be praying for you. 😥

[@thetheoreticaltheologian2458]

I’ve noticed that as well. In his earlier videos he seems to have more energy and excitement. Praying for him if there is anything wrong for he is a great teacher.

[@beestoe993]

Ooo nice, another Dr Wise video. Thank you Sir!

[@thomasdykstra100]

Dr Wise, by common faith (Praise the Father, in Christ!), I'm confident of the congruency between the Scriptural and natural ("general") revelations, so we share the conviction of their unified witness. I'm 70 and, though I'm not versed in the science, I've been captive to an interest in fossils from my early years--well before the popular advent in the late 1970's of "creationism" and specialized scholars such as yourself. Your apologetic efforts are welcome enhancement to an understanding of the ready evidences which have fascinated all peoples since the Great Flood events. In this particular presentation, I think you might have used illustrative imagery and diagrams to greater effect than technical jargon and physical mannerisms to depict your notion of continuity / discontinuity. I heard what you said and saw what you did, yet more than once struggled to decipher the intended 'objects' of either... Though you've been at this for years and enjoy worthy credentials for your understanding, I think a good script, captioned illustration and off-camera narration could more directly engage a broad-ranging audience; an hour is a hefty span over which to maintain even an interested audience's rapt attention--but we all know the subject is worthwhile and capable of such an accomplishment.

[@missvickimae1150]

@@thomasdykstra100 I agree but even if he taped these live or at least w a live chat I think could make all the difference imo ;)

[@shdwbnndbyyt]

One causation of the mass extinctions AFTER the flood would be volcanic eruptions.... like the one about 536 AD (per the Javanese Royal Chronicles) where the volcano later known as Krakatoa exploded, causing a massive tsunami that destroyed a large city on an isthmus that used to connect Java and Sumatra, digging out the current channel between the islands, and caused a decade long volcanic winter in the northern hemisphere. This was the final straw for many civilizations, as farms failed, cities either starved or people left looking for food, barbarians attacked looking for food and fodder for their animals, scholars and artisans died without passing on their knowledge and skills and the Dark Ages began in Europe. In Britain, this is the time that is remembered as the dearth of the land during King Arthur's reign - whether he existed or not, the dearth was remembered. It took about ten years for the weather in the northern regions to return to normal... so survivors were forced to be hunter gatherers.

[@alantasman8273]

Thank you Dr. Wise for you many hours of teaching online. You have been a joy to listen to and I have learned so much and shared so much with others.

[@mrright1068]

It is so refreshing to see a geologist researching catastrophism and not just solely to see if there is any "fossil" fuels to be extracted. It would be good for young people to study under this professor as he has an open mind and is following the science.

[@nicholasmercier5513]

I saw Dr Wise at the zoo the other day!

[@oliverjamito9902]

Beloved love with patience concerning. Likewise try not to provoke! But bring to remembrance and comes with comfort. And share thy shared "i" AM come forth! Remember ye are not "it" animals in front! Nor a thing that can be used after done can be thrown away! Nor just a clumps of cells DECIEVER will say, can easily be aborted to tempt and to provoke WHO? Keep watch!

[@nicholasmercier5513]

@@oliverjamito9902 I am sorry o wasn't trying to provoke anyone. I actually just meant I saw Dr. Wise visiting the zoo the other day

[@haydenwalton2766]

I hope they had a nice enclosure for him. maybe with a chair and a powerpoint set up ?

[@TheKrodin]

The ice event was because we lost the insulation value of the water vapor layer of our atmosphere during the inundation. Water levels were flood-high, and all areas away from the newly warmed equator would have frozen. However, without the same mentioned layer, we had less filtering of solar and cosmic radiation, and much more importantly, we had a different focus of solar energy, narrowing its focus toward the current equator and away from the poles, and also focusing more heat on the average surface elevation, but less on higher and lower elevations. This resulted in polar ice caps and mountaintop ice, and glaciers, freezing but then slowly melting. More surface water and higher temperatures cause more evaporation, so over time we end up with more insulation in the atmosphere, even if very unevenly distributed. The reason for the inaccuracy in pre-flood radiometrics is the huge difference in how much radiation was able to make it to the earth's surface at various times. It would have had changing levels of variables based on the changing levels of atmospheric water vapor. content.

[@cosmictreason2242]

The vapor canopy theory is both unnecessary and insufficient and all leading young earth ministries reject it

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@TheKrodin no this is not what happened. Watch Michael Oard's ice age video

[@TheKrodin]

@@cosmictreason2242 I disagree with the entire hypothesis regarding ice ages.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@TheKrodin you don't believe there was an ice age?

[@TheKrodin]

@cosmictreason2242 no, I don't. I believe that the evidence that many read as an ice age should be understood differently. I have an alternate paradigm model that fits the evidence better, but it is complex. Perhaps before I die, I'll publish my work.

[@lynnmitzy1643]

Thank you Dr. Kurt 🕊

[@cristianoscientificos]

They should make a Spanish version, this information is very good.

[@guylelanglois6642]

I'm as excited as you sir and am along for the ride. Keep the lectures coming.

[@newcreationinchrist1423]

God bless you IGH 😊🙏 watching now

[@deepwaters2334]

I think your approach of checking for the boundaries of marine sediments is indeed wise. However, if there was a tremendous amount of rain, then the top level of water could have been fresh and therefore devoid of typical marine, salt-loving organisms. This could leave an open-end to cenozoic/pleistocene post-flood boundaries.

[@hatac]

The third or fourth stage of this project will need to involve transpositioning all of the locations from the modern world to the approximate corresponding location on the Pangea, Pannotia and Rodinia continent maps or adjacent ocean and looking for patterns. Were fossils occur in plate sutures we can rule out that being preflood continent, though that may still be a problem if they are microorganisms. As per Dr Tas Walker's theory of fossiliferous sutures. Land species deposited in a pattern on or just off a continental craton may give clues to ecology on land. Patterns of higher strata deposition over a distance may give indications of water flow directions. John Baumgardner said we don't have enough evidence to identify preflood continent layout. Hopefully this data may provide that data. I favor Rodinia because Pannotia and Pangea both have fossiliferous sutures in Africa and the Urals respectively.

[@tedgrant2]

After many years of research, I have come to a conclusion. Most people want money.

[@hatac]

When Joachim Scheven was visiting Australia years ago the discussion of his version of the floating forest included analysis of the correlation with the Euro-American coals. The Euro part correlates with your European marine fossil line from Spain/ north Africa to the Himalayas. Its the closing of the Pangea continent so that fits both the coastal plain and the floating forest theory. That would put Pangea's Tethys sea at the end of the flood. The floating forest is caught between the two colliding clusters of continental cratons; Gondwana and Laurasia.

[@detijdlijnserie]

Thanks, looking forward to the rest of the project!

[@CreationvsEvolution]

Fascinating channel you have. Thank you so much.

[@critical-thought]

Interesting work. Just a thought, but the flood was a highly tumultuous event that occurred in a very short period of time. Looking for order (layers) in a very chaotic process seems a difficult challenge. Water is a fluid, subject to the boundaries that encompass it, with vastly different turbulence and flow rates over any sample area. I wish you success as you investigate. But it seems to me that connections between layers will not, and cannot be inherently consistent.

[@KenJackson_US]

Excellent! Though I'm shocked that the flood/post-flood boundary is so low. We can see very visible well defined layers of different color sandstone, mudstone and limestone in road cuts and local canyons. Were those caused somehow *_after_* the flood? By what?

[@olsonlr]

No death before man's sin

[@richiejourney1840]

We can’t actually prove that. What we can show is no death for MANKIND-Human-with cognitive consciousness, of Adam’s creation and lineage, before Adams sin. Also, to say “no death before sin” must then also explain the eating of living things (plants) before sin.

[@galenstevenson918]

Thank you!

[@hatac]

I think I may need another gigabyte of memory so I can play with this stuff. Note the continental marine fossil clusters late in the sequence may be land locked flood waters that have not found a path to the sea. Some like the Sahara seas and their dwarf whales have been covered by creationist writers. These are considered post flood. Some were drained by geological events. Local quakes. Some by post ice age melt water overtopping the final barrier. I.E. The breach that created the grand canyon and the depositions near San Diego and Tijuana and Gulf of California. Some evaporated to form saltpan seas. Many were just covered with wind blown sand, Sahara, and glacial Loess, parts of Eurasia and the USA. There is also the Yellowstone National Park super volcano eruption that coated large areas with ash. That is probably one of your post flood minor catastrophes. These lakes would have survived long enough to develop some speciation, large populations and discernable ecologies.

[@oliverjamito9902]

Yes, as a remembrance a little Child born "i" lenses are "Covered"! To bring the remembrance and comes with comfort Thy LORD!

[@JungleJargon]

Sooner or later people are going to have to face the fact that the continents broke apart in the days of Peleg, 100 years after the global flood. An asteroid hitting the earth could have been a contributing factor along with centrifugal force of the spinning Earth which caused the continents to slide north as a result. South Africa appears to be where the South Pole was before the breakup. * It’s the reason for the glacial striations stamped on top of bedrock like a gigantic (broken) seal covering South America, Africa, India and Australia from glaciers that were moving from south to north from the time when the continents were all still connected to Antarctica at the South Pole. Of course this was after all the sediment layers from the global flood were deposited. * It’s the reason fossils including Spinosaurus and sediment layers line up between South America, Africa, Madagascar, India and Australia. (The fossils and sediment layers were deposited first and then the continents broke apart, 100 years after the global flood.) * It’s also the reason there are many frozen animals and forest ecosystems buried by tsunamis from the rise of sea levels in North America and Siberia as the continents were being shoved into the Arctic from the centrifugal force after the earth broke apart, possibly due to hardening of the sediments and other contributing factors. * It’s the reason animals made it to South America from Africa and humans did not make it there since they were still trying to build the Tower of Babel before the breakup of the continents. However jaguars were separated from leopards, greater grisons were separated from African honey badgers, tapirs were separated from …tapirs, otters were separated from …otters and all of the other animals arrived at various isolated places around the world before the breakup of the continents. * It’s the reason why the lifespan of humans was cut in half *a second time* since the global flood from a less than 500 year lifespan to a less than 250 year lifespan. It was a time of dramatic changes. * It’s the reason why the meaning of the word Peleg in Hebrew that meant “divided” turned into “as (where) the waters flow” (in between the continents) in the later Aramaic form of Hebrew. That’s quite an impressive but understandable change in meaning. * It’s the reason people isolated into family groups and began speaking their own language. (Everything that happens is of course ultimately by the power of God.) * It’s the reason for the formation of the Marianas trench and other subduction zones. The potential for movements of the plates and continents is very likely considering the volumes associated with them. It wouldn’t take much geologically speaking to get them to move although they have reached a place of equilibrium at this point. * It’s the reason there are dinosaur footprints showing that a dinosaur began walking in Africa and this same dinosaur continues walking in South America also showing that the breakup of the continents happened after the sediments were deposited by the global flood. *Last but not least, it’s the reason penguins never made it to the Arctic since there was no land there for them to breed in the Arctic. …And now you know the rest of the story, the whole story.

[@cosmictreason2242]

No that would've caused another flood. It's a hypothesis to explain things that either aren't a problem or have already been explained by CPT

[@JungleJargon]

@@cosmictreason2242 It did flood, bury and freeze the mammoths and the entire ecosystems.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@JungleJargon nope watch the ice age video

[@JungleJargon]

@@cosmictreason2242 So you just hand wave away all of the evidence of the breakup after the sediments were deposited. “Watch a video”? Did you read the evidence outlined?

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@JungleJargon happened during the flood. The continents raced around the earth and bumped, creating pangaea, then rebounded back to their current position. All under water

[@runeaanderaa6840]

I don't know what Kurt Wise is talking about here. He talks about Cambrium, Triassic, and other eras that evolutionists have. Wasn't this about creationism?

[@alantasman8273]

Dr. Wise is referring to the naming conventions used by today's geologists but believes that they are related to a much more recent Noahic Flood depositions.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@runeaanderaa6840 evolution doesn't "Have" The rock layers 🤦‍♂️

[@runeaanderaa6840]

@cosmictreason2242 You know what I mean. All these periods have been named and defined according to important events in earth's history. Sediments from Pre-Cambrium contain very few fossils and no advanced organisms. In the Cambrium, there start appearing trilobites and other more advanced organisms, but no land animals. In sediments from the Carboniferous contain much plant fossils, but no fossilised pollen from modern plants. Newer sediments contain no fossilized pollen like those in the Carboniferous. I did watch this video to see if Kurt Wise could explain this, but he just rambled on with things that did not make any sense.

[@haggismcbaggis9485]

Andrew Snelling says the rock layers are real.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@runeaanderaa6840 he explains the sequence in another video i saved to my playlist where he discusses megasequences at the beginning

[@lindaellison899]

the little magnet suddenly lines up, when the big magnet returns from his long journey.

[@eleventhchimp]

”… he volunteers that, even if all the evidence in the universe flatly contradicted Scripture, and even if he had reached the point of admitting this to himself, he would still take his stand on Scripture and deny the evidence”

[@Neal_Sporin]

Also Dr. Wise, diamonds do NOT take millions of years to form as the Evolutionists would have us believe! FACT: A person can be cremated and have their ashes refined, compressed and heated into a pure diamond. The entire process only takes about two weeks! I'd love to hear the Evolutionists' retort to that!

[@kevinkelly2162]

Evolution is a theory explaining the diversity of life on the planet. Nothing to do with diamonds. So now you know you know nothing about evolution.

[@jamesmaybury7452]

@@kevinkelly2162I believe that his point is that since evolution can only create new design information by random mutations which are selected for over many generations it is a process that needs huge amounts of time. Normally those who believe in evolution believe geological process also take huge amounts of time. Many of us were brought up being taught that coal, oil, diamonds were formed over millions of years. More recent experiments have shown all of those processes can be done in days or weeks. The connection between evolution and diamond forming timescales is tangential but commonly observed.

[@kevinkelly2162]

@@jamesmaybury7452 And here was me thinking it was because lying creationists depend on having an uneducated audience so they spread lies about what other people believe. To tell you the truth, I still believe that.

[@OffTheBeatenPath_]

@@jamesmaybury7452 evolution does to account for life creation and DNA blueprints.

[@mwils51]

@@kevinkelly2162 Nobody with a brain believes in common ancestor evolution anymore. Only those with the devout faith to believe that all things are possible through the magic time daddy still believe.

[@wkrapek]

Oh. My. God. The lithographic deposition record is *shocking.* Something’s going on here!!

[@OmegaB3N]

1:01:20 I also have hundreds more questions than I did when I started this video. Not trying to be mean but I feel like all I got from this video is that you have MANY presuppositions on what the data should tell you which may or may not be wildly off base. The Dunning-Kruger effect comes to mind.

[@VernCrisler]

And DK can go the other way, too. Only a small-minded, overconfident person would question Dr. Kurt Wise's competence.

[@christophergraves6725]

We need more specifics if you see a flaw in anything in Professor Wise's presentation and not an implied insult.

[@davidgardner863]

⁠@@VernCrisler, How can you call him competent when he starts with the Bible as literal fact and then invents evidence to fit his belief?

[@VernCrisler]

@@davidgardner863 You are a prime example of overconfidence based on little understanding.

[@davidgardner863]

@@VernCrisler I understand the difference between reality and myth.

[@VernCrisler]

Might be better to refer to radiometric determinations rather than radiometric time.

[@kninebirddog]

Upon reading the Bible I think we give to much credit to the flood and are totally overlooking The time of Peleg when the Land was divided and the Tower of Babel when the Language was divided Catastrophic Earth moving making a Richter 13 look like a little tremor It also also explain bending and folding and liquefaction of animals.

[@cosmictreason2242]

No. If the continents were divided after the flood it would have caused another flood. Unnecessary. It was not the land but the people that were divided

[@kninebirddog]

@@cosmictreason2242 I would suggest you go back and reread your Bible Genesis 10:25 Peleg means the earth was divided H776 Erets = earth, land In Gensis 11:9 this is where the Language H8193 Saphah = lip, speech, edge and that would also explain continental mass layering of land and sands mega Tsumai and yes after the flood also bringing on the Ice Age from mass heat being generated by massive earth movements thus also applying the pressures which also better explains many things that were under mass pressure from the flood being washed clean laying on top of the ground Like the Petrified trees that go from AZ and much further north. or the water damage and pyramids being covered and more current type civilizations being wiped out Mayans or many other pyramids that are around the world still covered or partially covered. God will do what He wasn't I just believe we overlook it because it wasn't as pivotal as the flood being a total start over with 8 people about the kinds of animals ..It was important enough for God to have it included in the Bible so maybe just maybe there is more to it than meets the eye.

[@anthonypolonkay2681]

​@@cosmictreason2242 the flood would have had very dramatic rebounding effects taking place for centuries after it's end. The original comment is a very reasonable hypothesis.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@anthonypolonkay2681 no it is not when you understand science

[@anthonypolonkay2681]

@@cosmictreason2242 ahh the classic. Yall are gunna use that one till the end of time. And it will never get better.

[@christinahuffman2281]

Very interesting!

[@oliverjamito9902]

Shared minds who introduced Time?

[@oliverjamito9902]

Nought will say, Lord who can share? Nought why from beside Me and left? Being presence with Me?

[@joels310]

The rapid swings, could just be tides going in and out

[@oliverjamito9902]

Who love with patience and grace?

[@williammaddock9179]

Dr. Wise, What is NLSSS or, as you have been saying, NLSS?

[@davidpatrick1813]

This is interesting ... this is all within 2 degrees or 200 square miles. Maybe keep the same basic forms but substitute the things you filtered out, or swap. Maybe there is movement well beyond 200 square miles of these factors, i.e. specific terrestrial or biometrics with more population of specific spies. .. then graft it .. Very interesting nonetheless. .. thanks. pat

[@seanvogel8067]

I think the 2 degrees (and 200 miles) has to do with fossils that are at different elevations are considered to be above or below each other if they are within that range. I might be misunderstanding you or I might be wrong. But I think the entire scope was North America.

[@oliverjamito9902]

Nor why to introduce? Unto Whom if all "NOUGHT"?

[@colbyking6068]

What about mudfossils? Created by silica rich oceans... and how did the flood happen? Maybe velikovsky really understood what he traveled around the world to find out...

[@alantasman8273]

The Noahic Flood happened because man brought a curse upon the universe through original sin. The wages of sin is death.

[@hatac]

To an evolutionist a fossils appearance is where the species evolved. To a creationist its where the species began dying in the flood. To an evolutionist a fossils disappearance in the fossil record is where it went extinct; they run into complications with living fossils. To a creationist its where the species stopped dying either because there are none left outside the ark or they have found safe waters or emerging land. Its quite simple.

[@haggismcbaggis9485]

Why would something like an ichthyosaur die only and mainly in Jurassic strata?

[@hatac]

@@haggismcbaggis9485 Many evolutionists argue that if creationism is true then there is nothing more to investigate. Your question shows that there is. Is there a dependency between some created kinds (baramin) and some ecology in the preflood world that can't exist now? We assume that ichthyosaur are mobile generalist fish hunters but that's not well proven. A few have fish in their guts when focalized but if that's a flood emergency meal it's not helpful. The same question applies to a dozen major baramin including pterosaurs and most of the bigger reptiles. Why are mammals favored in the post flood world. If you believe in an asteroid killing the dinosaurs then why did the smaller ones and the marine reptiles also die out? You see it is the same problem. Millions of years don't help there because there are surviving pre Jurassic baramin, family order, around.

[@haggismcbaggis9485]

@@hatac You have a point about ongoing creation research. It just seems like baraminologists and flood geologists falter at the first hurdle. Evolutionists do more robust science. An example would be the paper: "Extinction of fish-shaped marine reptiles associated with reduced evolutionary rates and global environmental volatility" by Fischer et al. that pinpoints the extinction of ichthyosaurs to early Cenomanian epoch. Where they say: "The extinction of ichthyosaurs did not happen in an ecological vacuum. It has long been recognized that the Cenomanian and the Cenomanian-Turonian boundary represents a peculiar period representing the apex of numerous climatic and oceanic perturbations, with no polar ice, extremely high sea levels, unique sedimentation, strong anoxia and very high temperature and pCO2 (for example, see refs 37, 38, 39, 40). There is evidence for profound global environmental volatility within the Cenomanian, the most notable being the ‘mid-Cenomanian events’, involving sea level fall and perturbations of geochemical cycles". They died well before the Chicxulub impact.

[@hatac]

@@haggismcbaggis9485 No its just that people are very busy and resources are limited. I had to gather papers for a half dozen known creationist because it was unsafe for them to go onto the university campuses. That still happens. We are locked out.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@haggismcbaggis9485gee, why would pelagic Marine animals only begin to drown in sediment being deposited late in the flood after the marine mammals had gotten tired of swimming and trapped between colliding continents.

[@BildgesunderWorte]

Have you looked into how many of these data were placed correctly? Could it be a complete mess of data which doesn't confirms anything?

[@danglesener308]

Any work done to determine timeline of impact events? Do they correlate, precede or follow mid-Atlantic spreading? Could they explain some mega sequence data?

[@alantasman8273]

Dr. Wise has previously done a fantastic piece on tectonic plate movement during the flood as modeled by Dr. John Baumgardner on a super computer. Dr. Wise did a fantastic job presenting Dr. Baumgardner's work. I believe it is a "Is Genesis History" piece.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@alantasman8273 "in depth explanation of the mechanism of Noah's flood" One of the best videos on the internet

[@alantasman8273]

@@cosmictreason2242 Agreed!

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@alantasman8273 shockingly yt let me post a video recommendation for once

[@jeffbybee5207]

What is the point of this system?

[@stevenrhynes1556]

Any animal,at any time can decide to change into something else. It takes millions of years to grow legs, ears, teeth,toes, hair,etc. Why do we not see a half scaled 2 toed winged frog? How come we don't see a hairless sunburned flipper lagged featherd blind sonar apt alligator unicorn trying to get a home in the clouds? Bird is a bird. Frog is a frog as been and will always be

[@1VFA666]

What does NLSSS stand for?

[@goody8839]

Geology has known for decades the reason marine fossils are sometimes found on mountaintops is the mountains were raised by plate tectonic collisions long after the marine fossils were deposited on the seabed. Why this is still a talking point for creationists is hard to understand.

[@alantasman8273]

Actually the work of Dr. John Baumgardner modeled, using super computers, the plate movements during the flood calculating they moved from 3 to 5 miles and hour during the 370 days of the Noahic Flood. Dr. Baumgardner's model considered subduction taking place under the plates during the flood and in fact the subducted layers have been found via recent seismic technologies and they have also been found to be cooler than the surrounding deep rock layers they are found in. This means that their subduction took place rather recently...within the last 4500 years. Furthermore Dr. Baumgardner's model explains how continental collision lead to rapid development of mountain chains ...lifting marine creatures from their flood deposition to reaches as high as Mt Everest's summit. The continents moving at 3 to 5 miles per hour provided the energy to quickly lift land masses when collisions occurred. In contract evolution models would not have had the energy to lift such high mountains ...even over millions of years.

[@goody8839]

@@alantasman8273 LOL! Another creationist fantasy completely refuted by the laws of physics.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@goody8839 another evolutionist fantasy refuted by creationists. You just stated the opposite of what you read

[@dougmoore4653]

seashells on top of mts does indeed support both flood and evolutionist theories. BUT, you add all the OTHER evidence and it is greatly towards creationism.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@dougmoore4653 it actually doesn't support evolution when the nlss data is considered

[@thomasmckelvey8884]

It is not theory it is proven historically and by the inerrant Word of God!

[@Rev14v7]

Fossils buried during creation week? I don't think so. You lost me at that point.

[@wesleycolemanmusic]

Can I get my hands on that file?

[@fernly2]

Biocentric universe may be the fossil record revelation ?

[@FineFreddy5]

I love your work. Question... Are the modern day Tigress and Euphrates Rivers the same as the pre flood? I would imagine that the original rivers are buried under miles of sedimentary rock and could be anywhere around the world. As for the modern Tigress and Euphrates Rives they obtained their names from Noah's descendants as a case of mistaken identity. Yes? No?

[@anthonypolonkay2681]

Mabey not mistaken identity. But more probably that they simply gave stuff names they new of after the originals. Though ill admit we can't rule out mistaken identity entirely. As plenty of medival, and mabey as far back as intertestimental peoples did not understand that the worlds surface was literally completly reshaped by the flood. It would make more sense that post babel peoples renamed the modern euphrates and tigress In ignorance than Noah, or any immedeate decedent's of his.

[@cosmictreason2242]

Most likely just named after the former. Like American towns of york, cambridge, oxford, chester, sussex, London etc etc

[@curious968]

The Bible clearly describes those rivers. There's not a hint as to them disappearing during the flood. The Biblical flood doesn't really invoke the kind of sedimentation some creationists describe. If it did, no plants would have survived the flood and everyone dies after the waters recede. The Bible seems to think plants arise by spontaneous generation or something like it and thus no seeds on the ark. But you can't bury the seeds under hundreds of feet of sediment and expect them to sprout.

[@anthonypolonkay2681]

@@curious968 do you not know a great deal of seeds can float over the ocean for years at a time ? And another issue is that the rivers may not have explicetly said they were destroyed, but It's heavily implied given there's a great deal of preflood locations thag are never geographically eluded to afterwards.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@curious968 seeds would have floated bru. Also no those rivers are not described because they don't join two other major rivers in one region they all flow out of

[@goody8839]

Interesting this talk completely ignores the huge volume of scientific data already accumulated about the Earth's five major mass extinction events in the last 445 million years. The most recent, the K/Pg event caused by the Chicxulub asteroid impact 66 million years ago took out the non-avian dinosaurs and left the iridium K/Pg boundary layer. The K/Pg iridium layer has never been explained by any Flood scenario.

[@cosmictreason2242]

The 5 megasequences are independent surges of water during the flood year. There was one single mass extinction event, not 5, the 5 are just different times a few weeks or months apart

[@curious968]

@@cosmictreason2242 Nope. Each extinction event produces brand new flora and fauna. If you want to hold to that, you are basically giving away the game and advocating for evolution on steroids. Triassic dinosaur species, except for the few that crossed the boundary, are never seen in the Jurassic. Jurassic dinosaurs, except for the few that survived the boundary, are never seen in the Cretaceous (there is debate about whether this one qualifies as a true mass extinction or several smaller ones, but it is still the same problem for your hypothesis). Non-avian dinosaurs disappear entirely at the end of the Cretaceous. Depending on the event, 85 to 95 per cent of all species perish. The sorting of this stuff is way too precise, too stratified to have happened in a single year, never mind multiple times in a single year. Stegosaurus is as far away from T. Rex as T. Rex is from us. That's true _whatever_ dating method you choose to employ that has any consistency. So, how do you get from Stegosaurs to T. Rex in a few weeks? You don't.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@curious968 just not true. But you have to look. Yt suppresses "go here" ations

[@joshsimpson10]

It means Noah was a CHAD with CHAD energy

[@oliverjamito9902]

Thy Eyes 5 Eyes covered with thy Given Wing! Why?

[@dougblalock5175]

My apology, I replied to the wrong person.

[@oliverjamito9902]

@@dougblalock5175 beloved remember unto a little Child "i" longing to LEARN! Therefore if a little child "i" will say, my apology! Increase come here in front and remind! LORD belongs unto the little child "i" longing to LEARN!

[@tomsawyer4776]

An hour of data base talk about "above and below, zeros, cenozoic NLSSS zones, and other non-useful jargon....instead of a good 15 minute video telling everyone the results.

[@haydenwalton2766]

it's always the geologists, isnt it !?

[@oliverjamito9902]

Principalities sitting in high places deceiveth and murderers murmuring among themselves exalted themselves above! Who is that? Who is that? Who is that? Liken unto a SON OF MAN sitteth in the Midst of the LIONS DEN? LIONS will say, if ye can't recognize! Don't belongs unto thee! Who sleeps and awake day and night in the midst of all HIS MEEKS!

[@trudyeagan8160]

❤

[@oliverjamito9902]

Holy Angels will say, what is the little Child born "i" holding upon HIS HAND?

[@voiceofreason162]

Eye-opening. Looks like a little evolutionary narrative weaving was used against the data to extrapolate a view. Naughty.

[@bigsarge2085]

✌️

[@stefanfrello2953]

The only thing i found interesting here is that the geological periods, which should be based on the content of fossil in the various layers, does NOT correlate with the global data wise have extracted from the database. Especially that the mass extinction events do not correlate with the data seems almost impossible to explain. I would hope that Wise would write a scientific paper on this (excluding off course all his creationist implications) and send it to a mainstream journal. It should be possible to at least get a thorough peer review evaluation of the work, if not getting it published.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@stefanfrello2953 incorrect. Secular publishers refuse to publish scientific research if it mentions creationism. This is well documented

[@curious968]

@@cosmictreason2242 Incorrect. What really happens is that creationism can't pass peer review because it contradicts existing science without enough proof of why the contradictions are justified. It is also true that creationists generally don't even try (they used to). Lots of controversial things -- relativity and plate tectonics to name two -- overcame staunch opposition. If your team has the goods, it can win through. But, it has to go beyond the handwaving we usually see on KZbin and explain the existing evidence as well as the new stuff they wish to bring to bear.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@curious968 this is a comforting lie you tell yourself. It passes peer review all the time, and a fair bit of YEC acquired data has been published in secular journals under the radar, like Baumgardner's Plate tectonics computer model

[@curious968]

@@cosmictreason2242 Creationists do sometimes get published when their work doesn't stray into creationism. That doesn't help the cause. But when actual creationism is presented, it gets shot down, especially YEC creationism.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@curious968 you're incorrect, The CPT model was published in the late 80s. Remember the mantle blobs recently visualized? Predicted by Noah's flood

[@onlyme972]

Anyone with a basic education can check this rubbish concept.Its amazing how far some will go to lie for a religion that preaches truth.

[@stephengaddis9791]

Your basic education teaches not one hydrology class.

[@haggismcbaggis9485]

​@@stephengaddis9791Where can we learn about hydrology? Is there a good textbook you can recommend?

[@warnerchandler9826]

Project much?

[@haggismcbaggis9485]

@@stephengaddis9791 Is there a hydrology textbook you can recommend?

[@oliverjamito9902]

Knows belongs?

[@Steblu74]

Does everyone notice the resurgence of sanity after the mindless destruction of atheistic progressivism we've had the last 10 years or so?? The claims of Christianity are forensically true. The gospel is literally true. But what is written is written and all scripture must be fulfilled including the short reign of the antichrist as the kings of the Earth take Council together against the Lord and against his Messiah (psalm two). Have no fear! God has made things plain so that a child can see them for those who love him!

[@stardust_memories2260]

Vote Project 2025

[@geenogee]

Some believe over 99% of plant and animal species are extinct. If so, then mass extinctions must have occurred well after the Flood. One explanation is that worldwide geological extension of the earth’s crust formed large igneous provinces. Mountains were catastrophically uplifted. Worldwide metamorphism contributed to mass extinctions. Ongoing rainfall from evaporation caused floodwaters that eroded river channels while these geological features were hot and more easily eroded. Ice age features were catastrophically formed and melted. However, most creationists associate fossils with the Flood. Creationists should find these features far more interesting if they also consider post-Flood mass extinctions during worldwide catastrophic geological events.

[@curious968]

There's not 'some believe" about it. We've collected and counted things. It's a dull and mundane if exhaustive fact. It also means, if you are correct, mass extinctions occurred in historical times. The flood, after all, is circa 2430 or so BC. We already had civilizations then (the Bible itself agrees, too). So, when did they occur and how many show up in, say, the Chinese records?

[@Hermanopepe]

*Eh, Wise guy, eh?*

[@Dr.Ian-Plect]

Pseudo-science.

[@DesertPackrat]

It reveals you are not a real scientist.

[@Howsthat-xq3sn]

🍿📚🧐🧠👍✝️🙏

[@nicolasfranco6490]

What is interesting about paleontological research is that when it is well done, it demonstrates the validity of the synthetic theory of evolution. When it is poorly done, it reveals how unprofessional the work of a creationist scientist is.

[@chrismessier7094]

lol! XD multi million y.o fossil soft tissue?

[@ankhenaten2]

Nice try but you fail miserably, evolution has been scientifically dismissed completely

[@brunobastos5533]

@@ankhenaten2 where show a scientific paper that dismisses it

[@brunobastos5533]

@@chrismessier7094 you should read the all paper . is soft tissue fossilized and not real soft tissue

[@anthonypolonkay2681]

​@@brunobastos5533 no. It's original soft tissue remains. And it's pretty standard throughout the geologic column.

[@sarahwibel8598]

The first flood was when Lucifer rebelled. Then God had to make life again...which is the 6 days of creation in Genesis. The old life forms from before may have become fossils?

[@Hermanopepe]

@@sarahwibel8598 Are you assuming -millions of years,- or something like that? The Bible doesn’t mention a flood before chapter 6:17.

[@VernCrisler]

Where are you getting that?

[@justme-27]

@@sarahwibel8598 absolutely rubbish.

[@alantasman8273]

Exodus 20:11 ....carved in stone by God... states that God made heaven and earth in six days and rested on the seventh, and blessed and hallowed the sabbath day. These were 24 hrs. days. In context, God gave man day seven as an example for man to rest one day in seven. God did not give man the seventh day to rest for thousands or millions of years. The scriptures provide the genealogy of Adam to Jesus the Christ we add on about another 2000 years to get to today. So deep time is not in the Bible...the Universe and Earth were all created some 6000+ years ago.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@sarahwibel8598 false. There was only one flood. Genesis 1:1 does not imply a prior catastrophe and everything was good as of day 3 too

[@sandyago4735]

Your research reveals nothing but a religious bias to a long debunked fairytale

[@Dulc3B00kbyBrant0n]

... IS THAT YOUR BELIEF?

[@temporary4384]

It reveals that noahs flood is a fairytale and you guys need to grow up😂

[@Dontquoteme933]

Perhaps you should listen?

[@temporary4384]

@Dontquoteme933 to nonsense no thanks unless it's to scoff of course

[@djsarg7451]

Fossils are different in different layers of sediment. So no, one flood could not have made all the fossils. The process of bone to fossil takes a long time about 10,000 years. This is why there are NO Fossils of humans. Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today. The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains". Gen. 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens” The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to? Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.

[@chrismessier7094]

fossils can form quickly, all it takes is the right chemical conditions fossil soft tissue def points to youth, not m.o.y

[@djsarg7451]

@@chrismessier7094 No, why there are NO Fossils of humans? At least 10,000 years.

[@ankhenaten2]

​@@djsarg7451there are human fossils you are mistaken

[@ankhenaten2]

You are wrong in paleo hebrew each day is a number we know in paleo hebrew that sabbath is the 7th day a same day as all other 6 and in torah the 7th day is for all creation a remembrance day and all nations on earth and in heaven will hold them

[@markrademaker5875]

You say, "The process of bone to fossil takes a long time about 10,000 years". Since we have, not only dinosaur fossils but dinosaur bones (and dinosaur soft tissue) therefore dinosaurs are less than 10,000 years old, yes?

[@nivek2157]

Dinosauars were in the world before the first flood. The second flood was the quarternary extinction event ie. cenozoic.

[@alantasman8273]

Next your going to tell us that dinosaurs lived 65+ million years ago when soft dinosaur tissues have now been found at dig sites on six continents. These tissues include blood vessels, blood cells, collagen and even partial DNA. DNA has a half-life of 521 years. Biochemists and forensic experts will tell you there is no way that the tissue found can survive for 65+ million years.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@nivek2157 no. There was only one flood

[@nivek2157]

@@cosmictreason2242 why was the planet covered in water and darkness then. God says he doesnt create things in vane .

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@nivek2157 it was dark because light hadn't been made yet and the earth wasn't only covered in water, EVERYTHING was water. He made the earth out of water, as 2 Peter 3 says

[@paulanderson7628]

40 days and 40 nights is not long enough to leave shell fossils on a mountain. You know how they really got there. The scary part is you're a professor. Surely you know better. Young students are going to have to deconstruct this.

[@shinmalestat9272]

@@paulanderson7628 Could you explain what you mean by your first sentence?

[@paulanderson7628]

@@shinmalestat9272 Noah's flood lasted a bit more than a month.some of the fossils shells are 3 ft. In diameter. At the top of a mountain. Not likely from a flood.

[@sethmueller5219]

@@paulanderson7628 things to consider: the flood was caused by the strongest earthquakes ever to occur, strong enough to cause entire plates to drop into the mantle. There is a wealth of evidence that points towards a global flood with earth hanging consequences. If you have an open mind you should listen to his lecture on catastrophic plate tectonics. He does a fabulous job explaining the mechanisms. I’ll gladly link it to you if so.

[@sethmueller5219]

@@paulanderson7628also, the flood last almost a year before the waters receded. The constant raining is described as 40 days and nights. I’d encourage you to read the passage in detail.

[@anthonypolonkay2681]

​@@paulanderson7628 Noah's flood lasted a little over a year. It RAINED for 40 days, and 40 nights at the outset of the flood, but that was not the main mechanism of the flood. "The breaking open of the fountains of the Great deep" was. If you don't know that first fact of the circumstance then any critique you might try to levy against any flood research is going to be hard to take seriously.

[@jonashagstrom4664]

Funny how these guys always stresses the 'Dr.' . What university give somebody a PhD to a person who evidently does not understand the basics of evolution and geologic time?

[@alantasman8273]

Dr. Wise earned his degree at Harvard.

[@neofitagacis7303]

I think he does understand the basics of the theory of evolution and geological time.

[@adamslijderink3306]

Bahahahaha… evolution was disproved 30 years ago… back when I was studying… no one with a brain believes in evolution… nothing evolves they always devolve…

[@tomasharris4508]

unfounded claim

[@michaelbrowning686]

Have checked multiple sites. All say he received his PhD at Harvard. Even his opponents agree about this.

[@BrodyLuv2]

20:08 ..is that not 1 zone on the last two 'zones'? You have a clear link from one to the other in dark black but you have drawn the red line over it to make it a separate zone.. why is this necessary? Thank You btw, I am listening as I do not know the truth but hear from as many as possible to try and understand. Ta' Dr.

[@bluesky6985]

The Bible records 2 floods and Noah's flood wasn't worldwide 😊

[@leechjim8023]

WRONG! 1 flood and it was worldwide. The gap theory and partial floods were just a scheme to try to accommodate evolution and old earth.

[@jeffwhitmeyer6279]

Then why did it say that the highest mountains were covered? Hmmm.

[@damieno3470]

Your "2" floods narrative is NOT 2 separate floods but rather 2 perspectives on the same WORLDWIDE FLOOD. If it wasn't worldwide then why not move outside the flood zone, Noah had 100 years to do so, and why bring birds huh??? Why is it that the vast majority of fossilized dinosaurs and birds around the ENTIRE WORLD are found in the opisthotonic posture?

[@jamin634]

I love the granular data.

[@jamin634]

Dr. Wise is clearly open to new data and new ideas. Appreciate his enthusiasm for the topic and clearly extensive knowledge base.