Isiah Thomas ranks Michael Jordan 5th on the All-Time Players list

[@Str8cash28]

He said Mike beat up on the old Detroit Pistons team. Michael Jordan and Isaiah Thomas and Rodman are a year and a half apart, Joe Dumars is younger than Michael Jordan. Isaiah said Mike wasn’t his rivalry. Michael Jordan and the Bulls was the only team that took them to seven games. When Mike beat the Pistons all those guys i named was under 30 when Lebron beat the Celtics, the big three was over 35 and the Spurs, Tim Duncan over 35 same with Ginobili. Stop the Jordan hate.

[@Dogdigger-xy9vk]

NA YO KOCKSCASUALS STOP THE LEBRON HATE .

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

Thomas beat Jordan in playoffs more then Jordan beat him

[@sportschannel3637]

@Str8cash28 true, true, true and true.

[@bwink23]

​@@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalkAnd Jordan has 6 rings. Pistons never swept the Bulls. Bulls swept them

[@Str8cash28]

@@Dogdigger-xy9vk Tell me what I lied about, all facts

[@gnnacharles1]

Isiah started drinking Jordan hater-aid right after that 1991 Sweep

[@Ace-vf2uf]

Yup, that’s exactly what happened. 😂😂😂😂

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

Jordan was hating on Isiah

[@gnnacharles1]

@@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk so that’s why he dethroned him with a sweep

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

It's called every dog has it's day...............lol

[@brotherhannibal411]

Nope...85 allstar game they(isiah) iced MJ out.

[@truthis612]

Zeke once said MJ was the greatest to ever lace'em up. This was before the beef.

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

When he said that?

[@toryou6]

​​​@@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalkHe said it several times when he was commentator on NBC. Especially during the 98 season. " It's his fundamental base, along with his skill base that makes him the greatest player ever play ". His words

[@truthis612]

@@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk Back in the 90's after zeke retired and wss a NBA TV commentator. Google it you might be able to find it.

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

If that was true, he probably was drunk

[@toryou6]

@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk It's often said "what soberness conceals drunkenness reveals"

[@casual35]

This is really getting out of hand.

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

Sometimes the truth hurts but it's still the truth

[@bwink23]

​@@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk You don't know the truth kid

[@madintuitsports5513]

The average age of the Pistons was 29 when the Bulls swept them! Nuff said….

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

An old 29-year-old team with a lot of wear and tear on their bodies.

[@Nysdaddy]

@atlanta… Isaiah was 29 and an all-star. Dumars was 27 (6th year) and an all-star. Rodman was 29 (5th year) and the DPOY for the second straight season. And the next year all 3 were all-stars.

[@kd-zq5oq]

Facts hurt feelings fam he’s a Bron fan all they know how to do is make excuses lol

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

@@kd-zq5oq Nope Lebron fans don't make excuses

[@kd-zq5oq]

@@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk The entire Lebron fanbase is based on "whataboutism" and excuses, why wouldn't they Lebron is the excuse KING 😂😂😂😂

[@altariqhouse9693]

Mj is the Goat period

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

Overrated

[@altariqhouse9693]

@@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk lebum is overrated mj is the Goat 🐐 and always will be and second is kobe

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

@@altariqhouse9693 I respectfully disagree Larry Bird swept Jordan not once but twice

[@altariqhouse9693]

@@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk and lebum James been swept on super teams mj is 6 and 0 case closed come with something else your argument is weak

[@altariqhouse9693]

@@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk he had 21 years to catch mj and never did it yet you sound stupid

[@LamonoLee]

Who is this goofy with the blue on

[@ninocrown3247]

Zeke is only 2 years older than MJ. He was the oldest player on the Pistons starting 5, except Laimbeer. Rodman and Aguirre were Isiah’s age. Dudes be capping. 4 of the starting 5 was under 30.

[@lawrencewalker418]

People need to stop talking that stupid shit Jordan is the goat point blank fucking period

[@kdogg716]

MAJOR FACTS💯

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

Jordan had one decade where he dominated and won, (the 90's)

[@kauffamn1016]

Lebron number 1 is blasphemous . Mike got 2 3peats , 6 fmvp , Kareem got 2 , 4 times Kareem wasn’t the best player On his own team. Lebron can’t shoot , can’t shoot a free throw , team hopped , ring chased , 4-6 n the finals . Bill Russell had a hof team , and less then 10 teams during his era , but I can’t hate on someone putting bill ahead of Mike , but bottom line is Mike is the greatest player ever .

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

Lebron got rings on three different teams, how did things work out for Mike when he went to his second team.

[@kauffamn1016]

@@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk team hopping and LeGM . Not impressive . MJ retired , but was a team owner , so he came back to play for the wizards , literally the worse team .

[@puncho8799]

The only reason LeBron has rings with three different teams. is because he had to go join other superstars. And if Jordan would’ve had a player like AD on his team with the Wizards, he would have also made the playoffs like LeBron.

[@gba0915]

​@@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalkHe didn't get a legit ring in LA, come on now.. Joined established teams so he can have championships, that ain't no winner.

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

and Mike got swept 2 times and lost to the Pistons 3 times, and really ruined his legacy when he came back at 40

[@EndoftheTownProductions]

Have you ever noticed that MJ never does any of the rankings or talks trash about players? His legacy speaks for itself.

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

Nah that's only because he have people speaking for him

[@EndoftheTownProductions]

@@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk Like who?

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

@@EndoftheTownProductions His fans

[@j3ts287]

Yeah he’s a hater, always has been since Mike stole his shine in 91 and he wasn’t on the dream team. He’s gonna hate Mike til the day he dies

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

That depends on how we look at it. Maybe he's just keeping real

[@Dogdigger-xy9vk]

Good on Isaiah , He actually thinks Lebron is the goat and he is 💯 right

[@torrewilliams7090]

Bron over mike is crazy lol

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

Sounds like you agree

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

Bron is a better all-around player. Jordan could not guard all 5 position

[@bwink23]

​@@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk LeBron can't guard his position, let alone 5.

[@Str8cash28]

@@bwink23 facts

[@Sports-media180]

he put bron number 1 bro JJ BARREA ROASTED LEBRON IN 2011. That there takes him out the goat debate. Pathetic

[@egjohnson4324]

Know your facts. The 1991 Pistons were not old when they got their butts swept in 1991 by the Bulls. Zeke was 29. Dumars was 27. Rodman was 29. Laimbeer was 33. Mark Aguirre was 29. Salley was 26. Also, stop acting like who you play with DOES NOT matter. Zeke didn’t beat Jordan alone. In fact, he wasn’t matched up to MJ either. Dumars was and the rest of the team followed the Jordan rules, and he still put up insane numbers. Put Zeke on any of those Bulls teams or vice versa. As for this idea that MJ didn’t pass, he averaged 6 plus assists most of his career. He averaged 8 assists in the 1988-1989 season after being put at the point guard position by Doug Collins, while also leading the league in scoring. Oh, and in the 1991 NBA Finals, he averaged a whopping 11.2 assists per game. The only thing Michael did not do at an elite level was shooting the 3. Stop lying to win these Jordan debates.

[@ninocrown3247]

Exactly! Reminds me of these dudes who say Floyd fought Pacquiao when he was old, that’s why he won. Yet Floyd is 2 years older than Manny. Silly logic 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@egjohnson4324]

@ 👍🏽

[@ernestb4473]

Man in blue is a harlequin.

[@JoseIrizarry-k7g]

I don’t care about MJ but LeBalco been first in the all time list is ridiculous 6 loses in finals remove that clown from the conversation automatically

[@Kalmar917]

Isiah is my all time favorite but he knows MJ is the GOAT and he has gone back and forth with it. Remember he hates MJ so take a huge boulder of salt to the shoulder with that BS.

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

@Kalmar917 why would Isiah consider Mike the GOAT when he beat Mike 3 times in the playoffs and Mike only beat him once?

[@puncho8799]

He consider Jordan the goat when Jordan was playing way after their 80s battles when he was commentating the games in the 90s so your argument doesn’t add up

[@Kalmar917]

@@puncho8799 lol!!! The mere fact you brought that up makes my argument even more substantial. He always believed he was the GOAT. The reason he does not at this moment has nothing to do with Lebron and more to do with whatever MJ says about him. If you do not realize this I can’t help you.

[@Kalmar917]

@@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk He had said it himself. Literally his words not mine. I am surprised you don’t know this.

[@puncho8799]

@@Kalmar917 All you’re doing is repeating exactly what I just said most of it is because of his hatred for Jordan but also he knows there’s a goat debate going on so he’s going to pick LeBron over Jordan because he knows that’s going to make Jordan and Jordan fans upset and mad

[@thegiftedone]

Shout out to "Baby Jordan" Harold Miner!😂

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

lol

[@andrewmason9598]

Mike the Goat of all time

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

So untrue

[@michelledodd9996]

Please look into Isaiah shenigans while playing in the NBA in the 80's against the East, Celtics, and Milwaukee and the 76's of the 80's. Isaiah was trifling and messy in the NBA, he started mess with Larry saying that because he is white is why the media boost him up. Magic was his best friend, and watch the final of 88 and 89, and watch how Isaiah played , Isaiah started stuff, and MJ came along, go back to his commentary about MJ, He called him the best he ever seen. When they snubbed MJ at the allstar game, that was decision he made, and when the dream team along, he suffered the consequences. 1. MJ, 2. Kareem, 3 Magic, 4 Tim Duncan, 5. Larry Bird. I watched the ABA and the NBA, Lebron is not even in the top 5 of complete basketball players. Ya'll need to stop the hating. The reason I choose MJ as number 1, due to he never lost in the finals, every player on my list has lost in the finals, They may have gone numerous times, but when you loose, you are not number 1. The GOAT is underfeated period.

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

I agree that Isiah was not a saint, but @michelledodd9996, neither was Jordan

[@LamonoLee]

Bro this man to old to be telling lies

[@ninocrown3247]

IndependentRob dude is making the same lame talking, I hear from MJ haters like Shannon Sharpe and Nick Wright. The Pistons starting 5 had more talent and experience. You had 3 HOFers in that starting 5. Once Pippen and Grant started to head into their primes, it was a wrap for Detroit. They also needed a better big man than Dave Corzine and Brad Sellers. Bill Cartwright gave them more scoring, than Luc Longley got drafted. With Bill Wennington, Will Perdue and Stacey King as backups.

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

But you have to admit Independent Rob keeps is real Mike is not the GOAT, because everything he's done has been outdone by someone else

[@andrededeaux1193]

Isiah just hating on that list

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

Come on, why IT has to be the hater? Check out part two of this video, I proved Jordan was the hater

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

Mike was the hater, he got Isiah blocked from the Dream Team

[@thelostandunfounds]

3:40 Man come on Rob😂

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

🤣🤣🤣

[@marckellough529]

Who cares what Isaiah thinks. He won two rings and one finals MVP so he basically isn't in the same league with Jordan as a player.

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

If that's the case @marckellough529 Jordan's opinion doesn't count when it comes to Bill Russell

[@marckellough529]

@@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk Well I would much rather listen to Russell criticize Jordan because Russell won 11 rings and 5 regular season MVPS than listen to Isaiah who never came close to being MVP in any season and 2 rings and one finals MVP which is not even remotely close to Jordan's accomplishments

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

@@marckellough529 Please don't forget Russell never beat Jordan 3 things in the playoffs, Isiah did

[@marckellough529]

@@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk Yeah but Russell had 11 rings to only two and it doesn't matter who he beat he still only had two rings

[@mj23goat3]

@@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk "If that's the case..." Difference is Isiah and MJ were both _The Guy_ on their respective teams. Russell wasn't. He was co-The Guy with Cousy, co-The Guy with Heinsohn, then co-The Guy with Sam Jones. Brutha didn't even average double digits in his last championship.

[@n.jigmelhendup5495]

Coming from Isaiah i am not surprised but he had to include him in the top 5 😂

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

Isiah keeps it real

[@billyclutch]

If Lebron is the best basketball player he’s ever seen then the 4 behind him never played

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

Lebron carried most of the players he played with. Just think about how many of them fell out the league after they stopped playing with Lebron

[@billyclutch]

@@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk Lebron is like that delivery truck that takes the package to the city but someone else delivers it to the house. He’s not a closer, he doesn’t make the most impactful plays when it counts most. All those losses, that’s Lebron failing the teams he’s supposedly carrying. All those wins? That’s Ray Allan, Kyrie Irving, Anthony Davis. They’re the last mile.

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

@@billyclutch Oh wow, that's, I don't even have a comeback for that...................SMH

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

Where are all the Lebron James fans? I need some help with these Jordan fans

[@G_Demolished]

Zeke hated living in that shadow, and he’s still mad about it. Good. Mike’s not thinking about him.

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

Zeke not thinking about Mike, but Mike owes Zeke an apology

[@kimphillips5728]

He too old to be talking this LeBron foolishness smh

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

@kimphillips5728 everyone entitled to an opinion

[@mccraejoey82]

I hate when people say that the pistons was not old its just mike finally got another alster and the triangle helped them move the ball and they couldn't stop it

[@darylritchie9562]

Jealousy will destroy a person, I feel sorry for isaiah

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

No feel sorry for Jordan, he spent a lifetime blocking over people careers

[@kenjisoranaka2449]

Isiah is just hating 😂 Detroit and Lakers wasn’t old. When MJ got 1 all star he never got swept in the playoffs or lost in the finals!

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

How about the two times he did get swept? I guess we need to just forget about that ...........lol

[@kenjisoranaka2449]

@@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk oh against the Celtics all time team when he was a rookie and in his 2nd year after he broke his foot?😂 Lefraud wouldn’t have even played if he had that kind of injury😂

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

You never got swept in the playoffs? I hope you not talking about Jordan, because he got swept twice by Boston

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

Make sure you watch part two of this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/m2eQXqVpi9p1hM0 all gloves are off

[@SportsSphere-uy7vj]

We all know IT hates MJ for the whole dream freeze out. We all know this. Why do we keep making these videos as if we didn’t know.

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

IT not worrying about that, that first Dream Team didn't play against nobody

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

Why would IT hate Jordan when he beat him 3 times, and Jordan beat him once?

[@n.jigmelhendup5495]

When you watch the whole movie then you could judge which is the best. Here some you watch in real time, and some you watch on youtube and then judge them. That is not a fair way to decide

[@mj23goat3]

Isiah needs to quit stressing and try to take his mind off of these types of things. Maybe focus on all of his Dream Team memories. Oh, wait...

[@jamesguglielmucci2001]

It's HIS Top 5 bro... Isaiah is entitled to his opinion just like everybody else.

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

Exactly Isaiah played against Jordan so he should know how good he was

[@doktor3196]

Ouch. Nick Wright gave him 3rd.

[@paulmayes76]

LeBron will never be close never nothing he can do or will ever do or say can he's not even be close

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

How can you say that? Please explain, especially when Lebron has done things, Mike has never

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

Jordan is over rated

[@cycleoflife565]

Isiah really needs to just stop answering questions about and participating in discussions that involve Jordan. He just can’t get past his feelings.

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

Why you saying that? Because Zeke is keeping it real

[@altariqhouse9693]

He don't believe it when he said it

[@acool925]

Not true. Isiah has MJ #1. He said that on tape. Only changed that after MJ was a jerk.

[@zonzogonzo1427]

Lebum had the Avengers against my Spurs and we obliterated him with OLD Ginobili and OLD Duncan. Get da fc otta here dawg!!!

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

Lebron is the GOATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT BUT YOU KNOW THAT ALREADY

[@zonzogonzo1427]

@@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk yes he is G.reatest O.ver A.cting Teammate

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

@@zonzogonzo1427 Why so much love for Jordan and none for Lebron? Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee explain because I honestly need to know

[@zonzogonzo1427]

@@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk Ok. Fair question. LeBron is ONE of the greats. I do think he's the greatest OVERALL player of ALLTIME. He can do it all. Can play any position. He COULD have been the goat but he's missing a very important attribute that Jordan, Kobe have. KILLER INSTINCT. Why you and every other Lebron fan look over or down play that attribute is a clear representation of your beta character. I bet you bch and complain when something is hard? Look how you complain and whine about criticism over Lebron. The sad thing is you still won't get it after this. I'm still a "hater" no matter what😑.

[@younggod3906]

I still rock with Zeke

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

Facts Zeke be keeping it real

[@ninocrown3247]

I still rock with Zeke, just like Salley and Pippen. All three got this Jordan Derangement Syndrome. One minute they downplay him, next minute he’s the 🐐 or close to it. I don’t mind him ranking guys he looked up to growing up like Wilt, Bill or Kareem, but Lebron? Pippen tried that Lebron is better shyt, but had to clean it up. I don’t agree with everything Barkley says regarding social and racial issues. But even though he fell out with MJ, when he criticized him as a team owner. Chuck still never waivered about his opinion of him as a player. He never tried to swap Lebron in as 🐐 because he was salty or in his feelings like Zeke or Pippen.

[@thelostandunfounds]

Bro Rob is trippin you need a new cohost😂

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

Come on @thelostandunfounds you trying to get me fired already 🤣

[@thelostandunfounds]

@@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk is this you Rob?

[@MDAA313]

1998, Isiah said Mj was the best; Isiah is hurt.

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

Unfortunately that doesn't mean he meant it..................lol

[@MDAA313]

@@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk so he is a liar; we cannot believe anything he says bc he might be lying.

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

@@MDAA313 I wouldn't call the man a liar, I'll just say he's playing the game

[@MDAA313]

@@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk None of that matters to the audience. We need to know if we can trust him; we cannot.

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

@@MDAA313 Of course

[@bernardjohnson6322]

Yes I saw Larry call mj jesus!

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

Tell the whole story ............please

[@prideleaderthelionsoftheel2479]

Thomas beat mj 3 out of 4 playoffs... mj beat a one handed thomas.. after the rule change.. check my receipts.. mj fans don't do research at all.

[@blackjesus6433]

Isiah had a way better team. The Bulls were a young and inexperienced team. Isiah was drafted in 81 and won in 89. MJ 84 and won in 91. MJ won a ring quicker than he did. Now what? 😂 🙏🏾

[@prideleaderthelionsoftheel2479]

@blackjesus6433 isaih was playing with one hand .. this is true.. mj beat a one handed player ..NOW WHAT

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

Isiah had to go through more legends than Jordan to get his first ring.

[@aaronaiysen7534]

Isaiah was 29 when the bulls beat them

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

Yes an olddddddddddddddddddddddddddd 29 year old

[@aaronaiysen7534]

@@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk 29 is old 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

Yes, an old 29-year-old. A 29-year-old who had to beat Bird, Magic, and Jordan 3 times in the Playoffs

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

@@aaronaiysen7534 For an athlete Yes

[@paulmayes76]

Which is funny because LeBron James is not even the top 50 player from what I saw growing up through the 80s and 90s and 2000s LeBron's not even a good top 50 player he's a role player with anything

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

Lebron is not top 50? Unbelievable...................lol

[@dennisgregory7080]

JORDAN AVERAGED OVER 5 ASISTS A GAME LOL FOR A SCORER

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

For his career? or are you talking about a series

[@sdot11-f4s]

5th!? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂✌️

[@paulmayes76]

That guy sucks so does labron

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

Finally I find a second person who's keeping it real..............THANK YOU

[@paulmayes76]

@@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk people got to stand up for what's right and this NBA is not right

[@kyleshepard8894]

For all you "Jordan jock riders" Zeke declined o mj being grateful for many reasons. For starters he beat mj (even guarding each othet) regular season and playoffs. Mj soft self went to commissioners David stern, complained of physical hand checks and literally changed the rules for him to win. Facts. This happened in the 91 season the year he won his first. Hmmm? Again zeke said he's the only 1 to beat bird mj and magic religiously plus mj doesn't want to admit with his salty self he got zeke banned from dream team and accusing zele of a freeze out in an all star game. Although not proven; how salty is mj jock riders?

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

Finallyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy someone keeps it real

[@missayawk]

I have MJ ranked #5 all time as well but i base it on ALL TIME. Not just NBA. 1. Kareem 2. Wilt 3. LeBron 4. Oscar 5. Jordan The first 4 players had a bullseye on their back since H.S. Kareem before he entered H.S. All 4 have made their marks in a strong way in NBA history. Arguably all 4 probably would be #1 picks if they came straight out of H.S based on skills/ potential. Kareem all time leading scorer (*) imagine if he didn't go to college. The record would be untouchable. 2. Wilt. Still has over 70 records on the book and he hasn't played in over 50 yrs 3. Lebron is the all time leading scorer and is not even considered a scorer and is arguably still a top 10 player at 39+ yrs old Oscar. The original Mr. Triple double. All four of these guys had a bullseye on their backs since H.S and they all reached and exceeded expectations and in Lebron's case in the social media age and he has had no scandal attached to his name. Now MJ. Coming outta H.S Jordan wasn't even the player of the year in his own state! He went to UNC with no pressure or high expectations. He had Worthy, Perkins, Matt Dougherty, Jimmy Black and Buzz Peterson ( the guy who beat him out for player of the year in both their senior years). Patrick Ewing, Bobby Lee Hurt, Adrian Branch, Aubrey Sherrod, Ennis Whatley, Ed Pinckney, Milt Wagner, Anthony Jones, Dinky Proctor, Chris Mullin. All these guys were ranked ahead of MJ at some point during his senior year of H.S Without Worthy or Perkins MJ didnt win another chip at UNC Played in the 1984 Olympics and Bobby Knight and George Raveling were totally impressed and were probably the only 2 ppl at the time who thought he would be as good or better than Dr. J. If anybody else at that time said that it would be considered BLASPHEMOUS. Most ppl saw MJ being a combo of Walter Davis and David Thompson at best. Got drafted 3rd overall. ( Nobody was getting picked before Wilt, Kareem, Oscar or Lebron) Wowed the league ( and Larry Bird) with his flair and moves and became must see at every arena, but not winning consistently. " Yeah he can dunk and score 30+ every night, but can he lead a team to a championship?" Once that question came up....NOW came the pressure. Before that....there was none. Can't say the same for the first four names. MJ's path to greatness was much easier. He wasn't asked to do alot until he became a man. Those first four were expected to do EVERYTHING since 14 - 16 yrs. Michael's expectations didn't truly start until he was 24-25 yrs old. For the true superstars Michael Jordan had the easiest path. I am 61 and i graduated the same year as MJ so i lived his whole career from day one. If you want to say he is the all time great NBA player....thats fine, but ALL TIME basketball player.....no sir. Not ahead of those four.

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

I can work with that list

[@Nysdaddy]

@missy… If you can’t bring the ball up the court and initiate the offense or even run a pick & roll as the ball handler, and if your game starts to wane and wane dramatically at the FT line you’re not better than Mike. And having 1 ring disqualifies you from the goat debate.

[@Nysdaddy]

@missy… Mike has 10 scoring titles averaging 2,500+ points per season. Lebron has 1 and averaged 1,900+ points a season career. Mike had 200+ steals in a season 6 times and lead the league overall 3 times. Lebron has never had 200 steals in a season or lead the league. Mike (SG) had 100+ blocked shots in back to back seasons and averaged 70+ blocks per year/Chi. Lebron (SF) has never had 100 blocked shots in a season and averages less than 60 a year. Mike (SG) has 10 seasons with 100+ offensive rebounds playing with no def 3-sec rule or charge arc in place which allowed teams to pack the paint defensively and big men to camp in the lane under the rim which made it harder to get off rebounds. -- Lebron (SF) played with both rules in place his entire career which kept the paint cleaner and the rim less protected than when Mike played making it much easier to get off rebounds and he only has 4 such seasons. 6. assists per game career is #1 all-time for SG. Mike averaged 6 apg or more 5 times throughout his career starting his rookie season, he averaged 5.7 apg in the playoffs and averaged exactly 6 apg in the the Finals career. So he was also a great passer.

[@Nysdaddy]

Mike was a better shooter/scorer, rebounder and defender. The only category that goes to Lebron is assists even tho Mike has top tier assist numbers for his position. Mike was complete at a level Lebron literally never sniffed. It’s not an opinion. And Mike’s team won and dominated at a level none of Lebron’s ever have. They won 6 championships in the form of two 3-peats and never lost more than two games in a row in the reg sea, playoffs or Finals during that time. That’s a level of dominance not even Russell’s Celtics achieved during their run.

[@jerrielsmith5351]

Dude in the blue goofy AF

[@JBCCT01]

Insane. MJ is the GOAT.

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

Nah Lebron is the GOAT

[@Nysdaddy]

Mike has 10 scoring titles averaging 2,500+ points per season. Lebron has 1 and averaged 1,900+ points a season career. Mike had 200+ steals in a season 6 times and lead the league overall 3 times. Lebron has never had 200 steals in a season or lead the league. Mike (SG) had 100+ blocked shots in back to back seasons and averaged 70+ blocks per year/Chi. Lebron (SF) has never had 100 blocked shots in a season and averages less than 60 a year. Mike (SG) has 10 seasons with 100+ offensive rebounds playing with no def 3-sec rule or charge arc in place which allowed teams to pack the paint defensively and big men to camp in the lane under the rim which made it harder to get off rebounds. -- Lebron (SF) played with both rules in place his entire career which kept the paint cleaner and the rim less protected than when Mike played making it much easier to get off rebounds and he only has 4 such seasons. 6. assists per game career is #1 all-time for SG. Mike averaged 6 apg or more 5 times throughout his career starting his rookie season, he averaged 5.7 apg in the playoffs and averaged exactly 6 apg in the the Finals career. So he was also a great passer.

[@Nysdaddy]

Mike was a better shooter/scorer, rebounder and defender. The only category that goes to Lebron is assists even tho Mike has top tier assist numbers for his position. Mike was complete at a level Lebron literally never sniffed. It’s not an opinion. And Mike’s team won and dominated at a level none of Lebron’s ever have. They won 6 championships in the form of two 3-peats and never lost more than two games in a row in the reg sea, playoffs or Finals during that time. That’s a level of dominance not even Russell’s Celtics achieved during their run, and the biggest reason for the winning was Mike.

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

Not really, that's what the media wants us to believe

[@PeteJ.Baylis]

MOST PROFESSIONAL BASKETBALL PLAYERS WOULD TAKE TRACY MCGRADY OVER LE-BRICK JAMES SON!

[@atlanta2newyorkallsportstalk]

Tracey Mc Grady? That's the funniest joke I heard all day...............lol