Isiah Thomas Provides New Insight Into His Feud With MJ | ALL THE SMOKE | Part 1 Drops Thursday

Watch this exclusive clip from part 1 of ALL THE SMOKE's must-see interview with 2x NBA champ and Hall-of-Famer Isiah Thomas.
Thomas opens up about his complicated relationship with Michael Jordan and gives new insight.
Part 1 of Matt and Stak's interview drops this THURSDAY.
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[@bri12345ification]

If MJ ain't speaking to Chuck for 10 years there is no way he patching things with Isiah

[@jamesstanley8294]

FACTS!!!JORDAN DONT CARE HES THE BIGGEST TROLL EVER!!SEE WHEN PIPPEN STARTED TALKING ABOUT HIM HE HAD HIS SON START BANGIN HIS WIFE.ZEKE BETTER BE CAREFUL.LMFAO!!!

[@flush5005]

TRUTH

[@31hoops73]

💯

[@MoralesCorner]

Mike just don't care about anybody, man needs to have like a trillion yes men around 😂

[@ssj-rose4572]

Mj and zeek were never friends there’s nothing to patch

[@TheBeautifulMynd]

Can y’all imagine a televised sit down with MJ, Magic and Zeke? That would be the best show ever … Talking about their rivalry and then squashing the beef

[@ctaylor1586]

@TheBesutifulMynd • Zeke is delirious, how old is he 50 something damn near 60? Let it go Zeke and move on with your life please. Jordan keep doing what you do live the good life period.

[@fredalexander5757]

If they threw hands, I'm taking Zeke

[@yaqqmanQ]

Magic, MJ, Zeke, Bird, Dr. J, Hakeem

[@duydo6924]

@@fredalexander5757 Just like when he tried to throw hands on Rick Mahorn and Rick didn't even flinched?

[@stevehorton7524]

Nope , no more than I can imagine MJ secretly calling Zeke thirsty ass to apologize. Lol😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@rea5on859]

Wasn’t stack laughing his head off when Oakley was dissing zeke 😂😂😂

[@shwin.]

A lot of people forget how fake Stack is. He’s a ride or die friend when it comes to violence like fighting someone, but he’s lost when it comes to anything else.

[@bocbay7480]

Zeke was laughing his azz off when Dolan had Oakley kiss the floor of Madison Square Garden when he refused to talk to Oakley who is until today love-struck with Dolan for some reason. And Oakley people say is a tough guy. A tough guy that can't get over with Dolan. Imagine that.

[@TheKrs911]

Oh ok Stack. They playing both sides of the fence. Has all the smoke ever played devils advocate. Matt is doing the comfortable silence thing. Stack co-signing. Jordan doesn’t have to like anyone. Jordan can think you’re an asshole.

[@Headintodreams]

He certainly was. That's what made it even worse 😂🤣😂🤣

[@damienhodges9761]

Why Zeke act like he so damn innocent lol.

[@Skibbitypappappa]

Guy has always been a phoney

[@joelamesbury4551]

He’s always had a grudge against MJ he’s not being truthful at all lol

[@joelamesbury4551]

Both Isaiah and Jordan’s egos are too big to ever forgive each other

[@RobinXlone]

what he do to make jordan actually angry? grown men dont get this upset about a fuckin handshake

[@TheSpannReport]

Also, let's just remember the CONTEXT in which Jordan called him an asshole on TLD. They were talking about the game where the Bulls swept the Pistons out of the Playoffs, and the Pistons walked off the floor refusing to shake the Bulls hands. On TLD they asked Mike if he wanted to see what Isaiah had to say about why the Pistons walked off, and before he watched the video on the iPad he said, "...there is nothing that he can say that can convince me that he wasn't being an asshole." He was talking about that specific moment where THE WORLD WITNESSED ISIAH THOMAS BEING AN ASSHOLE!!! All anyone has to do is go back and watch the doc, and get the context. It wasn't like he called that man an asshole for nothing. Mike had his reasons. All this shit about "my nephew used to live with him and our families were cool," ain't got nothing to do with why that man said what he said.

[@KINGAMIIAMKING]

​@@JDogg0623 Don't worry... Jordan isn't going to apologize to Isiah Thomas or Charles Barkley.

[@terranceburrs5832]

@JD the Celtics did do that very thing to the Pistons.

[@terranceburrs5832]

@JD another factor that went into that are the things the Bulls said in the media about them prior to that game 4.

[@jewisonjacaban6980]

Everything you said is true my friend.

[@karenachachere9128]

@JD Michael Jordan is not apologizing to Isiah Thomas. He has been talking smack about Jordan long before "The Last Dance." Sorry Jordan is not thinking about Isiah and what he wants. He meant it, so move on. Two years straight the Bulls shook the Pistons hands to congratulate them on going to the NBA Finals. When the Bulls beat the Piston, the Pistons walked off without congratulating them-- then Isiah goes on "The Last Dance," and says that is the way it was done. You started the mess now be quiet. You disrespected the Bulls on National TV, and you never apologized so why in the heck should he apologize to you? NERVE and NEVER!

[@da11king]

Zeke sounds hurt , MJ will never sit down with him because , well,...he meant it 😂

[@jamesstanley8294]

POINT BLANK!!!

[@tonyc7627]

Every one keeps asking him about it, how would u handle it?

[@toveycen4668]

@@tonyc7627 MJ is MJ. He’s not affected by what others want him to be. Unlike the self claimed goat.

[@sakumziqumana2918]

@@toveycen4668 "...not affected by what others..." 🤣🤣 If anything, The Last Dance showed us that he's affected by everything! Thus, "I took that personal" 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@MoralesCorner]

​@@sakumziqumana2918 right,that man can't take any type of criticism. Good thing he always backed it up on the court but outside of competition man needs to be a pain to deal with

[@chowchow.y3406]

Jordan also said in the same interview that he thought Zeke was the 2nd best PG after Magic

[@calsums914]

That don't meant nothing. That mean his nephew was protecting from the wolves

[@redsoxfan2107]

MJ correct about BOTH

[@KINGAMIIAMKING]

​@@calsums914 Isiah Thomas is a liar. Jordan didn't need protection from Isiah's nephew. Nobody was going to mess with Jordan in Chicago. Jordan put Chicago on the map and brought them prominence and Six Championships and Isiah Thomas is jealous.

[@bocbay7480]

Yeah, he laid that out before he slayed him. It was his plan all along. Jordan and his fans like to talk about how dirty the Detroit Pistons were (the Celtics of Bird played more dirty) but the way Jordan maligns Isiah Thomas the excuse is that he is expressing his opinion. May you all drown in your own vomit.

[@cactusjack2264]

@@KINGAMIIAMKING wtf would Isiah be jealous of? His Pistons dominated Jordan’s Bulls for 3 years straight and Isiah won two chips out of it. He’s one of the best players to ever play the game.

[@danteex9677]

Jordan said that in 2020 Its 2023 He meant it

[@atulkar3794]

he voted for him to be president of the union, jordan is and always will be petty. its real. if you a fan of his better atleast know him better

[@atulkar3794]

@Beery thats correct, however i still think jordan is too petty for a person of his stature and people justify this behaviour on a grand scale. Isiah is not going on bitching about him publicly, but jordan went on to say it. To me it seems more like a rant on jordan's part. Its just my opinion, i dont read these guys's minds. But to me it looks like that way. In a way i think todays players squash beef better than older players at their age. 🤷🏻‍♂

[@g24deez]

​@Atul Kar when did Jordan rant fella? Jordan said what he said on the DOC. Hes not going from platform to platform ranting like how Isiah Thomas is doing. It's amazing how Jordan hasn't said one word besides from a DOC but u say Jordan is ranting lol. Nice try fella lol

[@g24deez]

​@@atulkar3794 I'm sure you was pissed off when they showed Pippen quiting on the Bulls in the Heat of battle lol. #fakeOutrage

[@atulkar3794]

@@g24deez A whole good 15 mins was spent on Isiathomas and how much he hates him on his documentary for the entire public to see. If you hate someone you don't go on talking about him publicly like a kid. You hate it and let it be. Yea that is a rant. #blindfollower

[@ericc551]

IT is disingenuous. MJ didn’t say he hates Isaiah on the last dance. He said he hated IT at that time. I watched the last dance 4 times. He also said he “nothing can tell me that he wasn’t an Ahole at the time”. IT needs to go back and rewatch the last dance without hate in his heart and he will see Jordan was speaking about at that time.

[@HeBlewInHisEarAndHeLikedit]

Exactly

[@khawaitkhastellano353]

yeah i was thinking the same thing. people like to spin shit for their convenience these days, would expect more from an OG tho. just keep it all the way a buck 💯

[@tellitlikeitisfresh6541]

Thank u

[@ttymearmystrong]

No matter how you feel about it. Listen to IT when he’s talking about something & someone he knows way better than you ever will. That man felt/was disrespected & I’m sure it’s more to it. & plus he clearly state’s interviewers are asking him that question all the time. NO MATTER HOW YOU FELT OR INTERPRETED IT

[@propre6033]

Paraphrasing: MJ ssid he respects Zeke's talent, no matter how much he HATES him.

[@jmcgee39]

Would love to see him and MJ have a sit down and hash out this feud but if MJ hasn't talk to Charles Barkley in 10 years over something Chuck said as a NBA analyst, what makes Zeke think Magic or anyone else can get him and MJ in a room together? This is the same MJ who called out his high school coach at his HOF induction ceremony.

[@naqvisyed8954]

MJ needs therapy 😂

[@mobetta2092]

If Jordan worked at CVS as a clerk he’d be be an obnoxious, narcissistic, weirdo that people who know him wouldn’t want anything to do with him. However, because he can hoop, his fans think that his personality is wonderful but ironically if they met him it’s likely that he’d give them a full dosage of that CVS weirdo described above.

[@tednicklas3538]

Petty and PSYCHOTIC...

[@paymyself1st430]

@@mobetta2092 damn u dialed that analogy in so precisely u made me rethink my own perception for MJ..but on the court no questions..

[@mobetta2092]

@@frankp7270 if you haven’t noticed, no one’s questioning Jordan’s greatness as a ball player so relax coming in this thread with your clumsy, outta control crash landing, off topic reply. Once you relax you’ll see that Jordan’s personality is what the original comment is talking about.

[@gregoryruffin5696]

Magic and Thomas were actually friends so they actually had a friendship/relationship to patch up. Jordan and Thomas weren't friends. They had basketball respect for one another but they weren't friends. There's not anything to patch up between them two.

[@multiplepassions3694]

Exactly

[@rojayreid908]

Not true Jordan and Isiah was very close with each other for years plus MJ even dated his niece and also staying with his aunty house.

[@bollocksnlilies]

Really bro? Do you know why Magic and Isiah stopped talking? Magic contracted hiv, players were afraid to play with him, he had already retired from basketball, Isiah was saying he was probably gay publicly, to the press. Mind you Isiah and Magic hugged each other before playing against each other in the playoffs. They were actually friends. But what happened afterwards, the years of slander, when Magic didn't know how his health was going to deteriorate, when everyone except him thought he might die, that was objectively a hard pill to shallow. Whatever is left of that friendship is thanks to Magic's forgiving nature. That must have been extremely hard to patch up, as you say.

[@renaldohaywood6506]

How do you know bro? When he just said their families are cool till this day? But it’s MJ y’all fans he weird.

[@aaronflowers8881]

Thank you!

[@tayronduenas8544]

Man Jordan live rent free in a lot of these dudes heads. Smh. Jordan too real. He probably sleeping like a baby laughing at this dude.

[@samgentry7215]

Right!!😆😆

[@alexanderadonyae7937]

Remember when Charles Oakley was on the show, Stack and Matt was all smiles and laughter😂 now Isaiah Thomas on the show..they quiet and listening🎯

[@iampioneer81]

Yeah its kind of corny.

[@COEREPPIN574]

Hahahahaha they throwing logs on it lol MJ dont give a damn

[@princeali1786]

No one respects Oakley like he respects himself - he thinks he was the Shit however in reality he played mostly like shit and he sure does love MJ’s salty black nutz

[@dnice4145]

You have to be careful when speaking with someone who is emotionally unbalanced. Hahaha

[@Weedensworld]

It’s all bull shit … or just entertainment how ever one looks at

[@NJDDSNS]

Mayne Mike don't GAF about Zeke and he's BEEN standing on it.

[@user-zi8hi7ku7o]

You know shit you goofy Jordan fanboy don’t act like you know

[@mobetta2092]

Or anyone who’s around him including those who kiss up to him. Jordan is essentially Donald Trump with extraordinary basketball skills.

[@tellitlikeitisfresh6541]

@@mobetta2092 boy you cap

[@boogiefever1970]

​@Mo Betta You talking nonsense 🤣

[@mobetta2092]

@@tellitlikeitisfresh6541 man c’mon. You know how he did Barkley who he considered his best friend. If you don’t kiss the pinky ring Jordan wants you no where near him.

[@MGPCycling]

Well let's keep it real. He didn't call IT an asshole and say he hated him because of his personality. It was because of what IT led with the Detroit Pistons, the violence and non-basketball plays. The attempts to hurt players while playing defense. It's also driven by the unsportsmanlike behavior he and the Pistons exhibited when he walked off the court directly in front of the Bulls when the Pistons got swept. Acting like none of that stuff happened and Jordan is just being "mean" is the epitome of selective memory and selective outrage. That being said, Jordan in the same breath also gave IT his props and called him the second greatest PG of all time behind Magic Johnson. In other words, Jordan said exactly what he meant in that interview.

[@tellitlikeitisfresh6541]

Bro he acts like he did nothing smh

[@jtremaine23]

Exactly…couldn’t have said it better myself.

[@lizclaudio1133]

Fuck IT

[@eastbee1034]

Zeke a whole betch out here!!

[@faithman48]

SO tired reading about the big bad, bully pistons. During THAT era, EVERONE played VERY physical... it wasnt until Jordan came into the league AND was LOSING EVERY YEAR, that the NBA CHANGED the RULES to allow his greatness to shine. Jordan IS THE GOAT... NO DOUBT.... HOWEVER, he did not get his team past the Pistons until HE started Complaining to the league AND going to the media to talk about the team he was LOSING to each year... The Business side of the NBA realized they needed to protect Jordan, so they DID change a lot of the rules... this is FACT... Does NOT negate the fact that again, Jordan was the best individual player I ever saw to this day... He was just as mush of an A-HOLE to his team as he thought Isiah was... This is ALSO FACT... That era was physical.. check out film of Boston, The Lakers, The Celtics, and YES, The BULLS before the rules changed... Guards DID NOT GO INTO THE LANE without getting crunched... they KNEW most teams INCLUDING the BULLS had a NO-Layup rule... Again... Jordan was and is still the goat... BUT he leveraged his talent to force the NBA to change the game for HIM... His legacy is 6 RINGS... But his legacy is ALSO one of HIS being what he calls others...

[@donaldb93]

What is it to patch up if they were never friends? Just respectfully ignore each other no reason for them to be buddy buddy with each other

[@thomassims4618]

They were best friends. They fell out over some ass. This is tragic.

[@donaldb93]

@@thomassims4618 they were never best friends what’re you talking about?

[@vitorbastos123]

​@@thomassims4618 Jordan and Isiah weren't best friends

[@dawjuhclips]

Can’t wait for this to drop. Instant classic in 12 hours

[@chillzwills6523]

But Zeke has hard feelings for Jordan also.. Mike said that about IT back in the 90's since then zeke has to constantly take shots at Jordan. So it's clear that they both felt and still feel some type of way. The Pistons tried to literally hurt Jordan and Zeke was the orchestrator but claimed he didn't have anything to do with adopting the Jordan rules.

[@johnjovanovichwick4194]

I respect IT he’s kept the same energy all these years even after the game of basketball and still standing ten toes nothing but respect 💯💪🏾

[@HughJorgan09]

That's a grown-ass man there, saying what he means, and, meaning what he says. I knew, way back when it happened, that the type of pettiness that is required for a person to do what Michael Jordan did to Zeke, concerning the Dream Team, in such a "not public"/public way, meant that Mike is a conniving, deceitful, vain individual, who might be the greatest basketball player to ever lace 'em up, but, as a human being, money has turned him into an overbearing, unrepentant a$$hole, much like Donald trump, who can afford to keep yes-men around them, staying insulated from accountability.

[@ctaylor1586]

@John Jovanovich Wick • IT a crybaby he still wants MJ to apologize for giving him dust 30 plus years later. After IT walked of without shaking hands in defeat. Why? Move on IT, MJ has.

[@squidlyrankin6406]

ISIAH Let it go my God.

[@tonyc7627]

he's trying to but interviewers keep asking him about it & others keep bringing it up so......

[@AndreW-dv1ww]

Ni99a he was asked a question wtf u talking about and he doesnt have to let shit go its his life weirdo as people on the internet

[@greedyglo]

Magic is probably playing both sides because he fw MJ(and his business/brand)more than Zeke

[@nitroluskincaid]

No. He said... on this show... He wanted them to work it out. He koo with both of em.

[@nitroluskincaid]

@Late Notice Magic Johnson is a "snake" because his two friends have a problem with each other? Damn.... The internet just let anybody talk!!!?!?! 😡

[@quisejeter1470]

@Late Notice shut your goofy ahh up. You have no clue whether Magic is a snake or if he’s as real as they come

[@ThatsTurrible]

@Late Notice 💯

[@da11king]

Magic is a diplomat loll

[@kidmid706]

I think it's been left how it is at this purnt in my new Orleans voice 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@hviii7452]

About time!

[@chrismoseley349]

I think Zeke is more sensitive about this because of how fans and casual observers feel about it, than because of anything that happened with Jordan. If he doesn't want to talk about it, he should say no comment and move on from it, that would be the more mature route. No one is saying Jordan is perfect, or that is feelings about Zeke are validated. At the same time, Jordan has spoken about it a handful of times, but Zeke discusses it a couple times a year, it seems like. That's on him.

[@renaldohaywood6506]

Cause he looked out for MJ like he was a brother especially when he came to Chicago when it was still dangerous back then. Did you know MJ stayed with his nephew? And etc. so quit acting like MJ can’t do no wrong.

[@chrismoseley349]

@@renaldohaywood6506 What the hell are you talking about? Did you even read the comment, or did you just casually glance at the first sentence, get in your feelings, and regurgitate what was said in the interview almost line for line as if you were introducing new information/perspective? Who the hell said Jordan can do no wrong? I don't even think my comment about Jordan was positive.

[@bocbay7480]

Jordan is working behind the scene maligning him. If Jordan looks down on Isiah Thomas as most Jordan fanatics think so, why won't he leave out Thomas' name out of his lips like he's doing with Charles Barkley the past decade? It is because Jordan is milking the one time Isiah Thomas walked out on him. Jordan is an A-hole and an Uncle Tom. Jordan wants to talk smack to people but he doesn't want them to talk smack back at him. Well, not all people are slaves of Jordan, like his fans.

[@frankaguilar7425]

Hell no!MJ brought it up on TLD!He still hurt that he can't earn Zeke's respect!MJ sensitive!!

[@CA3iNC]

They ask him about it often. And also this man was stripped of a chance to Represent his country after missing it due to politics (1980 Boycott), he got a right to dislike it. And clearly MJ has apologized behind closed doors or through friends and he's saying that if he feels that way then say it publicly like you publicly talked shit about me. That's all. Isiah and the Pistons don't get enough respect.

[@Rambo20244]

man I always admire how Zeke has the baby face with a soft calmness to his voice but underneath is an assassin

[@dskinner8757]

Can't spell assassin with ass 🤣

[@sheky3138]

I LOVE THAT!

[@felixw4993]

yeah once he broke that camouflage it’s just become terrifying, the pic when he chokes an assistant coach inside the court was definitely scared me for a bit

[@Rambo20244]

@@felixw4993 but if u on his good side he cool asf but a low key baby face gangsta

[@mj23goat3]

rambo first blood "assassin" Well, you got the first three letters right at least.

[@TuLiThy]

MJ said he hated the pistons as in Past tense and when he said asshole he said he WAS a asshole as in past tense that’s how he felt about you and your team 30 years ago not today . Cmon Zeke

[@curiouslymavismade]

IT was an incredible guard during his time.

[@theonewhoisbetterthanyou3570]

HOF great.

[@TheGallant9]

Not IT, Zeke

[@TheGallant9]

@Frank P it's not the right name dummy. What do you mean who cares. Not even calling him his name or the right name. His name was Zeke not IT or the Old IT.

[@whiteg53]

Taught Mike how to really play if you ask me

[@PlayaflyJoe27]

Zeke top 3 point guards EVER!

[@EmiliosFather]

All Isiah needed to add was freedom and justice ⭐️

[@lockedndagamelifestylefilm1378]

ALMIGHTY

[@keithsmith8975]

He is a vice Lord

[@JusFeel1]

Finball Rollin

[@EmiliosFather]

@@keithsmith8975 no,he’s not. He was. He no longer is. He grew me the fuck up.

[@keithsmith8975]

@@EmiliosFather he still represents it he just doesn't involve himself in the negative aspect of the gang culture

[@luisdanielvega99]

what's funny to me is that it was magic who suggested it, I'm pretty sure mj meant what he said, since its been a while and he doesnt seem to have any intention to apologize. Also i highly doubt mj wants to sit down with IT.

[@GameTime-yj6qv]

Yeah Isiah is talking as if Jordan wants to get together to patch things up

[@g412bb]

Zeke knows MJ ain't apologizing so he can play the sheep here and put all blame on MJ. Fact just is, there is beef between those two guys that never will be solved nor does it need to be.

[@coreythomas3633]

MJ a CLOWN he behavior should not be accepted because how you look at him as a basketball player.

[@Peakfreud]

Both of them are 60+ year old millionaires Highly doubt they have the emotional perspective of a teenage Tik Toker. Principles & Integrity have different value at that age and accomplishment

[@tahaali9993]

Zeke sounds hurt. MJ hasn’t said a word about them since the last dance.

[@ctaylor1586]

@@Peakfreud • I’m sorry I must have missed something correction MJ is a billionaire and his shoes still relevant today.

[@Peakfreud]

@@ctaylor1586 Kewl, theres a million pocket counters on Y.T I dont see the point of playing captain obvious.

[@MarciSolos]

Man Listen Jordan Ain’t Gonna Apologize Bruh We All Know That🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Doknot-tb9ey]

Can't wait for this episode Thursday!

[@racer247]

The sad part is without Isiah and the Pistons the Bulls don't get the Mental and Physical toughness to win championships. When Bulls got over that hurdle they never looked back.

[@mj23goat3]

Please. MJ the most mentally tough athlete in the history of pro sports. Those chumps gettin' away with murder while the refs looked the other way ain't had nothin' to do with makin' Money the GOAT of mental strength. He already was!

[@romanroach8724]

Zeke taking the back seat now but he been salty that Jordan took over Chicago, his hometown and shut down the pistons afterwards. He’s jealous of Mj and Mj don’t like him. Nothing wrong with that

[@Peakfreud]

Lol, this sounds like some highschool play ground gossip. These dude are 60+ They dont think like teenage Tik Tokers 😂

[@e.k.5657]

He’s not salty he went 3-1 vs Jordan in the playoffs

[@tellitlikeitisfresh6541]

@@e.k.5657 he definitely salty...he never swept mj...he was swept in his building and wasnt picked for dream team and all the people he thinks his friends love mj

[@e.k.5657]

@@tellitlikeitisfresh6541 not salty he beat Jordan 3 times while Jordan only got to beat him once It would be weird to be salty to someone Thomas constantly beat in the playoffs and regular season I think he went 32-16 vs Jordan.

[@duydo6924]

@@e.k.5657 Beating MJ and the Bulls all those instances can never take away the fact that Mike took Chicago away from Zeke. Zeke is definitely salty. He's salty that Mike became more popular than him in his hometown. He's salty that his own nephew was rooting for Mike and the Bulls. He's salty that Mike won all those championships with the Bulls. Zeke wanted to be the guy that lead the Bulls to the promised land. Shit, he even tried to drop in the draft just so he could play in Chicago.

[@TheDavePaul]

Zeke telling the back story between him and MJ and his family is really eye opening to hear. Never knew Zeke and his family were close with Jordan like that. The media really did ruin that relationship! Great interview guys.

[@keithbperrin9633]

Let's admit Zeke has a point....

[@ThaAJ510]

Exactly though the Jordan Worshipers still go say he hating lol💀

[@keithbperrin9633]

@@ThaAJ510 no doubt

[@naqvisyed8954]

Be careful, dawg. Jordan worshippers fuming right now

[@gerimayawhyte154]

Some of them Jordan worshippers be rocking two pom poms in each hand so you can't tell them nothing.

[@keithbperrin9633]

@@naqvisyed8954 jordan worshipers r like trump worshipers...he treats people like crap ...holds on to grudges..has no pity and wont forgive or ask to b forgiven...no matter what he does they make excuses for him...no matter how rotten...they will say...HE HAS 6 RINGS!!!!! And he did it all by himself by the way...🤮🤯😱👎🤦‍♂️

[@callmelegendaryTV]

I'm a die-hard MJ fan... but I can't do anything but respect this.

[@KINGAMIIAMKING]

@callmelegendaryTV You're not a die-hard MJ fan.

[@christinebryant8354]

That was real right there. 🏀

[@PatrickMHoey]

People should remember that these are grown men talking about/explaining themselves for things they did in their 20s.

[@anthonyyeung0207]

Greatest interviewing greatest 👍 Maybe not so many people love them as a player, but they've got way way way more fans after they retired. Especially Matt & Zeke, they both are MVP in media. Tones of fans waiting for this episode for so long 🤩🤩🤩

[@blackout2430]

They are both self hating racist, who wish they were white who also hate white people. They are miserable Racists.

[@michaelmcmillan1425]

Matt Barnes, and Zeke for President! 2024. Glad they had Isiah on the show. He's speaking FACTS!

[@johnpu605]

@@michaelmcmillan1425 well, that just went too far

[@cjanderson8515]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan Lst Dance came out years ago, he didn’t clear up, he left it where was at!! What part is Zeke missing???

[@COEREPPIN574]

Exxxxxxxxxactly!!!

[@DeeJay83]

Oakley doesn’t approve of this 🤣

[@Mo1683]

🤷🏾‍♂️So whah? He ain’t from Chicago

[@DeeJay83]

@@Mo1683 Really? I didn’t know that! 💪

[@aaronflowers8881]

He's a bum. Nobody cares what he thinks.

[@kelvinthomas4998]

He didn't try to apologize to Adrian dantly, for stabbing him in the back and force him to be traded.

[@jordantalbert9476]

Why is it not ok for them just to not like each other? They pushed each other to greatness, their dislike is “healthy.” And let’s not act like the Detroit pistons didn’t give Jordan reason to feel so strongly. They were called the “Bad Boys” not the “Good Guys”

[@tonyc7627]

well, a couple of the bad boys ended up joining Jordan on the Bulls so it couldn't have been that bad

[@aaronflowers8881]

Thank you! I'm an Isiah and Pistons fan and I agree.

[@MrBigmoney81]

The league played that way it wasn't just Detroit

[@jordantalbert9476]

@@MrBigmoney81 Detroit were the leaders of that style. Lakers were “showtime,” Celtics were fundamental and team basketball, pistons were the dirty physical type. No other team had the “Jordan rules”

[@MrBigmoney81]

@@jordantalbert9476 huh? Dude so you didn't see Dr J and Bird fight. Rambus got snatched out the air on a fastbreak , Magic elbowed Isiah in the mouth in the finals, etc

[@88949597]

Now we just need a sit down between Bird and Laimbeer! Y'all think MJ / Isiah got beef? 😂 😂 Zeke & Jordan will get married before Larry & Bill ever respect another enough to talk 🤣

[@jtremaine23]

Haha…true story!

[@lockedndagamelifestylefilm1378]

Zeke be reppin that Vice Lord and People Nation soo smooth ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

[@ThePacemaker45]

What people are missing is that I think Zeke is implying MJ tried to apologize or say he didn't mean what he said about Zeke PRIVATELY but Zeke's saying that apology should be public as well. Just my opinion though.

[@deesplayworldtv]

Jordan: “If I come on, no Isiah” Them: “Yeah Zeke, we can’t fool with you no more. Jordan coming on.” It all goes out the window when Jordan call. Jordan letting people eat cause just like the League he can shut podcasting down if he decides to speak on anything basketball related. Jordan got 2 billion tho, he at the crib Chillin.

[@cedrictorryii3227]

Remember IT from the heart of the westside of Chicago . He a super OG ..

[@laflopfansbishes]

Lmfao never meet a og who went on podcast talking about his feelings like a lil. Bish lol he ain't no thug real ogs go get a apology not make a interview demanding a apology lol

[@aaronflowers8881]

I hate stupid comments like this. This has nothing to do with anything.

[@jtremaine23]

I think MJ meant that from a basketball perspective…not hated him personally but that’s just what I got from it. So there’s nothing for him to take back as he meant that. On another note…those 2 had great chemistry in those All Star games.

[@phil1980boy]

Isiah. You are a man! Respect and love! To Isiah Thomas forever!

[@1stshepherd]

I think MJ meant it!!😂 N🏀thing to clean up.

[@JasonWalkerJamaica]

To this day Isiah is my favourite Point Guard

[@gregoryjones7074]

I know u lying cause u didn't spell favorite right😂

[@ToneRetroGaming]

@@gregoryjones7074 It's called British English bruh smh.

[@laflopfansbishes]

He still a bish lol

[@aaronflowers8881]

Mine too

[@thatguyfrom313]

My #1 NBA PLAYER of ALL TIME

[@josephmatthew1555]

I Love IT

[@dieselx506]

Where's the full episode?

[@puncho8799]

I think they were still cool, even though they were having battles on the court but once Isaiah walked out after getting swept, and didn’t shake Jordan‘s hand. That’s what change their relationship.

[@darryljones8195]

That's not what changed their relationship. You don't even know the truth behind the walk out

[@puncho8799]

@@darryljones8195 I know enough about the walk out and also what changed their relationship is. Isaiah became jealous that everyone in Chicago, was praising, Jordan, and all of his nephews, was wearing Jordan jersey

[@van2.060]

@@darryljones8195 they walked out and IT went along with it…that’s the truth that’s it…who started and all that BS it’s irrelevant…he went along with it

[@thomassims4618]

Naw bruh. You got it twisted b.

[@puncho8799]

@@thomassims4618 What did I get twisted 🤔

[@waff6ix]

1 OF DA MOST UNDERRATED OF ALL TIME💯😈😈

[@D.nada_47]

MJ said that in 2020 and was stating how he felt then, all while praising Zeke's talent. I wanna know what the real reason for the rift is that started 30yrs sgo. They clearly respect each other in some form.

[@ctaylor1586]

@D. nada • The real rift is after IT disrespected MJ they blocked Isaiah from the dream team. IT didn’t get another chance to walk off the court without shaking hands, Karma is a b…

[@pc2650]

Been waiting for him to come on the show! Finally! Next Bird

[@blackout2430]

That will never happen since they are racist

[@PlayaflyJoe27]

No thanks to Larry Bird

[@JbagzP]

I thought he was finna end that with freedom and justice 🌟

[@smoothsavage2870]

I did too. Only Chicagoans get it lol.

[@faheemjohnson7048]

Solid

[@th7079]

@@smoothsavage2870 I don't understand the reference

[@smoothsavage2870]

@@th7079 Some of the adjectives he was using relates to the 5 points of the 5 point star.

[@JustNeedaBeerandPark]

I was born in 1986.....but I read mad (growing up) autobiograhies........from my elders before us....MJ wore the Air Jordan shit in the slam dunk contest in 85...his rookie yr......Isiah...Gervin..and even Magic felt it was disrespectful (Out of MJs "For the Love of the Game bio himself...his words)...So the All-Star was the next game...they freezed him out...Pistons had one of the next games..he busted them for 49 points....true story......

[@bOmBAsTiK]

You should actually watch that '84 All-Star game and decide for yourself whether MJ was froze out or if that's cap. It's on KZbin. Don't believe ere'thing you read youngsta...#TrueStory

[@TL2354]

Why don’t you read happy autobiographies?

[@JustNeedaBeerandPark]

@@TL2354 Nigga...I was a kid....I read everything. And everything... especially ball.

[@JustNeedaBeerandPark]

@@bOmBAsTiK I study body language experts. Isiah was hesitant to give MJ the ball multiple occasions...And it was 85 in Indianapolis....MJ was at Carolina in 84.

[@MrWARBUCKS24]

@@bOmBAsTiK exactly Mike didn’t get off like he wanted to so he created a narrative cause from watching the game that was a terrible display of freezing a player out

[@glorydproductions]

Zeek you know he was talking in the past tense Isaiah is obsessed with MJ😂

[@jayzee316]

zeke still waiting for that apology from MJ lol

[@yvonneshelton2505]

Maybe he should drop it also for his own peace of mind. 😢

[@bOmBAsTiK]

Agreed.

[@tonyc7627]

its hard to drop it when he keeps getting asked about it during interviews, ya know

[@tommybrown187]

@@tonyc7627 well tell them u not talking about that no more

[@ctaylor1586]

@Yvonne Shelton • I agree IT should drop it because at this point he is the only one speaking on it Mj has left the building long long time ago.

[@yvonneshelton2505]

@@ctaylor1586 yep MJ off playing golf literally

[@davidsyked9420]

Did Zeke ever apologize to John Stockton when he accused Stockton of taking his spot on the Dream Team before the Last Dance aired, did Stockton demand a public apology or private meeting with Zeke, Stockton just let it go, on a interview John Sally said Zeke dislike for MJ started when Zeke return to Chicago and his nephew complete outfit he was wearing was Jordan's, probably the same Nephew that was staying with MJ

[@joeldriver-sp2rg]

Isaiah led a freezeout in an all star game and that started the issues. Then the whole thing happened with Jordan saying he wouldn't play in the olympics if Thomas played which really took it to another level. When Isaiah walked off the court after the Bulls finally beat them without shaking anybody's hand that was something the Jordan would never forget or forgive. You can tell is still burns him up to this day. If Jordan hasn't forgiven Barkley for what he said about him failing as an owner he's never forgiving Thomas.

[@MrWARBUCKS24]

Go watch that ass star game Zeke was passing that Nigga the damn ball

[@TopDog00G]

Facts!

[@dennisking3638]

By the looks of it so it looks like they're going to be enemies forever😢

[@jlui21]

-- Barkley hasn't talked to MJ in...TEN years. 10 years -- all b/c Barkley told MJ that he sucks as owner b/c MJ hires his friends. MJ is the GOAT. But as an owner of an NBA franchise, he's theJimmy Ferdette of NBA ownership.

[@Peony_herbabies914]

Ali Hurts Frazier so much that he cried! But Frazier was helping Ali behind the scenes when he needed money but Ali used TV or promoting fighting to hurts Frazier. Just like Jordan Vs Thomas and Jordan used his documentary series to hurt so many players including Thomas and it makes money for himself and brings his status even higher than before!

[@bOmBAsTiK]

Wow, great analogy...

[@TheSoulstar7]

MJ don’t rock with dude like that. All I see is Isaiah crying

[@cubsgo23]

Mike meant every word of what he said. Don’t hold your breath, Zeke.

[@haroldmotley8927]

Charles Oakley said why Zeke feels the way he does. Oak said Jordan came into the Chi and took it away from Zeke

[@philliprhinehardt6268]

Isiah is keeping it all the way real.

[@stevehorton7524]

What ? Ancient history ???

[@jrmccall1785]

Isiah a lair

[@stevehorton7524]

@@jrmccall1785 right , I'd bet my house Jordan never called him to apologize , he's just trying to get a response so it won't be just a one person feud. Lol😂😂😂😂

[@wirelessbrain12]

@@stevehorton7524 He never meant MJ called him to apologize. He's bringing out how if you disgrace people publicly then come out in public and apologize. Pretty sure a part of it is the reference to how essentially threw Scottie under the bus in the Last Dance then apologized over the phone.

[@dimitrythomas4158]

He’s been not keeping it real for a long time

[@mattslev]

I've always thought Isiah's resentment of MJ originated with Bobby Knight, his college coach at Indiana, lavishing the highest praise imaginable on Jordan after coaching him in the 84 Olympics. Knight stated MJ was "the best damn basketball player I've ever been associated with" or something to that effect and publicly urged his GM friend with the Portland Trailblazers to draft MJ even though they already had Clyde Drexler. When MJ entered the NBA, Isiah was three seasons removed from playing under Knight at Indiana, where Isiah was and still is the greatest player in program history.

[@j-era224]

U can hate him as an opponent but Isaiah & Detroit helped put Jordan & the bulls on the level of greatness

[@ericcarver951]

Mike’s been standing on it!!! Mikes been consistent!!!

[@KSanji7]

They say Bron sensitive but that man M.J sensitive as shi

[@tahaali9993]

I think MJ doesn’t care. He is who he is.

[@relaxsleepdreamrepeat_]

We still talking about this ? 😅

[@frankluna1592]

He ain't gonna call you behind the scenes... Or in front ... 😂😂😂

[@StreetsofATL_19]

Well, to be honest, this thing really is about dominance aka winning Back To Back championships. When you win back to back you have to enforce your will and dominate your opponent. It started in 87’ and really spiked in 88’. (It really is about Magic, Isiah and Jordan).

[@meechryles7072]

Thomas is like crazy ex girlfriend Jordan stays in his mouth bro life goes on🤷

[@michaelb1348]

MJ was just honest about how he felt at the time following the walk out incident. So there's no need for him to say I didn't mean it. I'm sure he's indifferent now but at the time that's how he felt and there's nothing wrong with that. I'm sure many ppl felt the same way about MJ .. they just never expressed it. Also for completeness sake MJ also said that IT was the second best PG ever in his opinion .. so there's an element of respect also.

[@how_sway]

🔥🔥🔥

[@donovanwoods9417]

MJ has felt this way since I was a kid in the early 90s, it's not new. It's only new to casual fans who watched The Last Dance. I'd be SHOCKED to see an apology.

[@dantetaylor371]

Basketball level as a person he might like what he do in office

[@trav247_]

Mike does NOT want to be your friend Zeek MOVE ON ALREADY GD! 😂

[@columbusohio72]

Facts

[@Blodia1990]

Yeah please let it go. It's all good

[@kingdavid8657]

IT been providing insight for like 30 years.

[@HakeemTheDream616]

I hope one day they can hash it out, and it's publicized on television ain't no way MJ still feel like this about Zeke all these years later over a damm handshake. People always say Zeke keep talking about MJ when everyone always asking him questions about MJ in all of these interviews LOL! 😂

[@coreyings4597]

If Zeke has a problem with MJ they was at the recent all star game and he could have said something then

[@mj23goat3]

The problem with that scenario is that you're working under the premise that Zeke has nuts.

[@tellitlikeitisfresh6541]

Omg dude is going on a world tour talking about mj..at thi point he should start interviews with no talk about mj...but God damn. Dude 60+ and still never did nothing. He never froze our mj...never called Magic gay to nba players around hiv talk around league. Nevrt said racist jargon about bird. Never said shit about Stockton. Dude just the person you dont wanna be when you his age

[@dnice4145]

Didn't you know, Isiah has never done anything wrong, ever. He is the ultimate victim.

[@VerietyBox]

Jordan about to do a 30 second interview and say “I meant that shyt”

[@thomaswatson201130]

Respect

[@detroitdawg81]

Isiah still talking about MJ , he dont even think about you no more, its embarrasing like a jealous ex that cant get over it.

[@Elnuvedenice]

How do you know you hang out with Jordan ???

[@rahimi420fr]

@@Elnuvedenice did you watch the last dance asai Thomas walking front of Jordan act like a crap after he lose the game you don't see nothing ?

[@terrelljackson1995]

@@Elnuvedenice you ain’t watch the last dance or naw

[@TheProdigyAccordion]

“And thats when i took it personally.” MJ

[@voiceofthestreetspodcast.]

🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@18bgregory]

Literally Jordan said after 91, that’s when he switched up on Isiah.

[@donaldb93]

Switched up? We’re they friends before 91? Seem like they were never friends

[@puncho8799]

@@donaldb93Once he walked out after getting swept and not shake Jordan hands that’s when he was done with him

[@donaldb93]

@@puncho8799 oh ok I thought they always hated each other

[@sirissac234]

@@donaldb93 Watch The Last Dance. Jordan clearly states his problem with Isiah, and it came from when Thomas and the Pistons walked off the court without shaking hands with MJ and the Bulls at the conclusion of the 1991 Eastern Conference Finals. Jordan had made the effort to shake their hands after they beat the Bulls in previous years in the playoffs, then when the Bulls swept them, they refused to shake hands. It was a big insult for Jordan, who still even now says that Isiah was the greatest point guard of all time behind Magic, but that insult made Isiah an "asshole".

[@DevinKurant1]

​@@sirissac234 then Bulls shouldnt talk how Pistons were bad for basketball, etc. before that G4 in 91. That's why they left

[@gawdlyb5117]

IT just a real one that's all it comes down too

[@tellitlikeitisfresh6541]

Cap..he lies

[@ericsmith9835]

Mike did see Isiah at the NBA 75th anniversary celebration.

[@thaendofdabenchmedia3309]

My Man Westside of Chicago 4Life

[@tbella66]

I'll admit I didn't listen to the interview, but is Zeke still saying that he is the only one who beat MJ, Magic and Bird without admitting that all 3 of them beat him too? Actually Magic and Bird beat him before he beat them. That part always gets left out and the interviewers never call him on it.

[@teddyhart2913]

Those three beat everyone at one point in time since all three are champions. The distinguishing factor is that NO ONE team has beaten all three, except him and the Pistons.

[@tellitlikeitisfresh6541]

Why dont yall know magic was hurt and bird so he actually didn't beat msgic or bird smh...but he always brings up his injury when he loses

[@tellitlikeitisfresh6541]

​@@teddyhart2913 cap ..you must dont know your history

[@datsapaddlin]

I mean the Pistons beat the Bulls more than the Bulls beat them as well but people carry the one time the Bulls beat the Pistons with more credibility behind it. They both overcame their obstacles.

[@datsapaddlin]

@@tellitlikeitisfresh6541 Thomas was also hurt in 88 so it is what it is. He wasn’t the same in 91 either. He had health issues all year but that’s apart of the game for everyone involved.

[@megarobd9761]

This shit is crazy.... these beefs from 30 years ago stop. Life is too short