Isiah Thomas ranks Steph Curry, Magic Johnson & himself in GOAT PG debate | Draymond Green Show

Isiah Thomas and Draymond Green debate who the best point guard in NBA is history is between Isiah, Steph Curry, and Magic Jonson. The former Detroit Pistons All-Star explains why Steph is in a category to himself based on the way Steve Kerr uses Curry on the Golden State Warriors.
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[@Jaysil2]

Damn I feel Thomas completely misunderstands Steph’s game. Steph has always said it’s Nash and Reggie who he combined. On ball he’s a super charged Nash, when he gives up the ball he turns into a super charged Reggie Miller

[@hooligan5381]

yup, curry said his biggest inspirations were Nash, Reggie and his dad.. i'd argue Steph also isn't a supercharged Nash on ball he doesn't play the Pick & Roll like that if any at all. but they both play at a extremely fast pace not sure if that's what you meant

[@Jaysil2]

@@hooligan5381 nah for sure i exaggerated. More of a scoring Nash I guess if anything

[@tag7376]

Curry doesn't really play the point. He comes off screens and plays like a combo shooting guard. HE STILL 1 OF 1

[@coachtali5151]

You missed the part where he said he was playing GS offense in college. I think he'd understand more than you

[@sup9542]

​@@coachtali5151 You think he's sitting around watching Warriors games all year? Of course he understands the game, he's just not watching every team. When Draymond mentioned Moses he was probably like "Moses Malone?" He probably doesn't know who Moody is.

[@sup9542]

At least Isiah corrected himself at the end. There is no traditional point guard aside from CP3 now. Draymond is definitely not a point guard. Draymond is fighting 7 foot dudes every night. Steph can be whatever he needs to be. He can hold the ball and dribble through 4 defenders and create his own shot. Isiah is describing Klay when he tries to describe Steph.

[@WorldBeater123]

Steph doesn’t just run off screens and catch and shoot. Steph can create his own shot. Steph is the best shooter off the dribble as well as the best shooter coming off screens.

[@josephrivera5255]

So he’s a shot creator which means he’s a shooting guard not a point guard👍🏻

[@WorldBeater123]

@@josephrivera5255 being able to create your own shot means you’re not a point guard? Isaiah Thomas was one of the best point guards of all time and he could create his own shot. What you talking about? 🤣.

[@josephrivera5255]

@@WorldBeater123 also lead his team in assists at the same time. 👍🏻

[@datsapaddlin]

@@WorldBeater123 Thomas also led the league in assists multiple times when Magic Johnson was playing

[@WorldBeater123]

@@josephrivera5255 Steph Curry has led his team in scoring and assists too, what’s your point?

[@zachstewart9680]

Even if Steph didn't have the most assists per game on the team for a given year, it's pretty obvious that he is CREATING THE MOST SHOTS for his teammates every game, and it's not even close. He doesn't need the assist to be the reason a teammate got and made a shot. And just to further call out the ridiculousness of this argument: almost every year when Steph didn't average more assists per game than Dray, they were like 1 assist apart or less. Come on. Steph is a point guard. Some major mental gymnastics going on here.

[@TaybeenTrill248]

FACTS golden state offense runs because of him

[@flyflynew]

So MJ is a point guard then?

[@macxavier168]

​@@flyflynewno, because MJ didn't generate shots for his teammates as much as Steph does.

[@unherrd3695]

​@@macxavier168broken logic. He creates the most shots for his team per your logic he is a point guard.

[@datsapaddlin]

Steph is only labeled a point guard because of his height. He modeled his game after shooting guards.

[@newbasketballfan]

"Steph comes off screens, he catches, and he shoots" Social Media's two favourite ways to discredit Curry in one sentence - He needs screens and he's just a shooter. Usually a sign of either a hater, someone who never watched him play, or someone who just doesn't understand basketball at all.

[@TaybeenTrill248]

I still don’t understand how this is a narrative Steph is way more than just a shooter. He does way more than just shoot the ball like these guys can’t be watching the same games.

[@KingHill0005]

We done with the 90’s (isaiah thomas just a hater, jordan still top 3 all time)

[@teehud313]

Hater? It's just different era's of basketball. Isiah kept saying "his view and the way he was brought up". Steph is, like isiah said, in a category of his own. If reggie was 6'3" and played the exact same way, would you call him a point guard?

[@newbasketballfan]

Saying Steph is not a point gaurd is a view. Saying Magic is better is a view. Saying he is not a pg because he is just a shooter and he modeled his game after Reggie and Ray Allen (when Steph mentions Reggie and Nash when asked about it) is factually wrong. @@teehud313

[@joshuawoodard6998]

Steph is an all time great. He has tremendous skills on and off the ball. Isiah didn't have that ability or luxury. Isiah had to do more, and was a better pg for it. Steph is a better player overall though.

[@JeremyCWilson]

Surprised that Isaiah doesn’t really understand how Steph plays or his impact. Steph doesn’t just run off screens. But he also is phenomenal at setting screens, drawing attention, passing out double teams, creating open space, etc. Steph also is as good as anyone on the pick and roll, running the break and in one on one scenarios.

[@513TallPaul]

Why not LISTEN to the Man who ACTUALLY PLAYED the GAME?!

[@LoyalOpposition]

because they never saw Isiah play.

[@fanpulse5439]

Why do they constantly put ou false narratives of Steph. Isaiah is lying. Draymond does not have more assists than Steph Curry. Steph is the Point Guard, and he runs the offense. He is just able to do it with or without the ball in his hands, and no other player in history has done or has been able to do what he does. I don't care how much they try and diminish Steph's Greatness with false narratives he is the best I've ever seen play the game. He changed the game of basketball and is definitely the best at the game he changed, and that is the obvious truth, but these fools depend on other fools to believe the nonsense they spew. Draymond Green has 4,430 assists Steph Curry has 6,031.

[@sportstalkonly1442]

U can't run offense without the ball in your hands. Tf r u talking about

[@sportstalkonly1442]

U haven't watched much basketball

[@adeadele-nz6xt]

I think you just started watching basketball . Draymond is d point guard for GSW , he runs d offense .

[@opieg7333]

Since 2015-16 (73-9 and bust season), Draymond has lead in assists per a game in all but the year Steph was injured and played 5 games. This year CP leads in assists per game, Draymond is second and Step 3rd, with Podziemski 4th. The position terms and the system the Warriors and several other teams run are not really in sync anymore with the old definitions. Traditional rolls are jumbled to look for an advantage. The main idea behind the system Kerr is using is that initiating offense can happen from anywhere. In general Green ends up in than role more often than Steph when in the half court. The advantage has lessened as the league has adapted with longer "position-less" athletic wing players who grew up watching this system win over the past decade. Which is why one key to their chances this year is having a CP3 and others who can handle initiating offense - and why Klay has struggled to fit. If you watch, who is calling the set when bringing the ball up to half court, it is now a number of players including Draymond, Steph, CP, Kuminga, Podzeimski, rarely Moody and Quionnes. After initiation, a couple of those guys in any group on the floor have the green light to reset if/when the ball gets back to them. Its a counter to the improved defense against what they run and if there are less than two guys in that role on the floor in a group, it tends to be stagnant and struggle to find shots. Kuminga is still learning it and tends to just go iso when the ball hits him. But when Draymond and CP were both out, it killed their ability to run offense in more than one unit. Steph does play point guard at times. His greatness is really a function of his range and accuracy. He is a decent point guard in the traditional passing and setting up offense sense, but not the best ever at that. Not a big deal in a league where most actions are just a set up for an open look at three or a screen action, which is why Steph leads in scoring for the team. Traditional point guards rarely were scoring leaders. But traditional point guard calling their own number too often was considered a bad thing. Career total assist for Kidd - 12K, Nash - 10K, CP 11K, Magic 10K. Steph wont get likely make top 15 all time in total assists, night just miss top 20. Doesn't mean he is not top 10 all time NBA for the combination of skills. Bron isn't a PG but has 10K assists too, another great skill mix guy.

[@judyclarkson5887]

​@@opieg7333Kobe described it best regarding GS way of playing. Golden State Democracy. Each of these casuals should go look up to that vid to know that GS plays like no other team in running their offense 😂

[@drewdelucchi7992]

To be fair though Steph gets a lot of hockey assists. He’s also a point guard in the way of his gravity he draws. It leaves other people open.

[@bjrowland25]

You get it!

[@Thiago_TT_MIA]

Steph is the best. His handles are definitely better. Steph can score at all levels. He evolved the point guard position into a scoring position as well as an orchestrator. Everything gravitates to Steph regardless of whether he has the ball or not. Draymond is being respectful and professional

[@dawg2067]

He can’t score on all levels. Can he dunk in a crowded paint? Can he get a lay up in inside a guarded paint? Can he get off a backdown turnaround middy? No he can’t

[@snapmike5156]

Nobody had/has better handles than Zeke. The difference is, Isiah couldn’t dance with the ball in the 80s. They’d knock your head off. Zeke got to the lane with ease on any defender. If the era permitted, he could’ve had his own And1 mixtape. Zeke was trying to break the defense down, get layups, get assists to his teammates. He was the quintessential point guard. Steph is in the mold of Jerry West, Allen Iverson, D Wade, and Gilbert Arenas. Great guards who scored first, then assisted their teammates.

[@itsme-vw5yo]

​@@dawg2067 he can't dunk or posterize he can dunk in a fast break situation but he can drive with layups he can pull up in a mid range and specially 3.

[@jayceltics9345]

This just shows how little you know. Steph is one of the best finishers in the paint in the game. Look up the stats @@dawg2067

[@KingHill0005]

@@dawg2067he can do all of that but dunk blind man

[@_RandomReacts]

How they put ads in videos when we pay for no ads 😮🤦🏾‍♂️

[@daanishgupta]

Respectfully, even though Oscar and Magic are legendary shot creators, Steph creates the most shots for all of his teammates. His relentless off-ball movement and passing ability means that there isn't a single moment where his teammates can't get a shot. These stats don't show up on sheets so players never bother mentioning it but the biggest proof of this is that KD was left wide open during his time woth the Warriors because the defense was set to stop Steph.

[@TaybeenTrill248]

Steph is a POINT guard

[@CharlesMcCants-hr5rb]

Love there conversation two men that really know basketball

[@beckembrown7002]

No need to be a facilitator if your shot is the best shot in basketball. Curry the goat PG.

[@ClutchTalkPod]

tell me u dont know basketball without telling me u dont know basketball lol

[@hooligan5381]

imagine having the best shot in basketball and you're 31st in scoring 😂 he's 3rd best behind Magic and Big O he stacked the deck to get 2 rings if they don't count for KD they don't count for Curry neither

[@beckembrown7002]

@@hooligan5381 31st in scoring is a volume stat. If Westbrook is 1st in scoring becase he attempted 4x shots than Curry, by ur logic, Westbrook is the better scorer

[@hooligan5381]

@@beckembrown7002 don't say by my logic, that's by NBA logic lmao 3 is more than 2 right? so if he hitting a bunch of 3's why he 31st it's stephanie fans like you that says he's up there with KD and LBJ then why he so far behind them. KD was only drafted 2 season earlier and KD missed 2 full seasons another which he only played 27 so dumb genius why he so far behind..

[@juwilball]

You lack basketball IQ. That makes steph the SG. Just like Allen Iverson. Draymond is the pg. Lillard shoots the ball amazingly well and he runs point. Steph isn't a better floor general than Magic or Isaiah. He's a better scorer.

[@otisls]

‘To obsess over Curry’s three-point artistry is to miss all the other skills that make him one of the greatest players of his generation-and arguably of all time. It’s his sublime ball handling, his ability to weave in and out of traffic; his soft finishes at the rim, with either hand; his midrange marksmanship, his balletic assortment of floaters, scoops and step-throughs; his passing and playmaking and court vision; his rebounding (especially for his size); his stout screen-setting (ditto); his knack for drawing double teams, then solving them with a quick pass or shot.’ {source: ‘Wilt. SHAQ. LeBron. Steph Curry? There's a New Definition of Dominance’ by Howard Beck, Sports Illustrated, 1 June 2022}

[@julianrodriguez508]

yoooo why is Zeke such a hater. Magic, MJ, Steph. It never ends.

[@Freddy-kw5hq]

He’s right the point guard is known for getting assist

[@user-jk3qy3mq8r]

So jokic led his team in scoring and assist He one of the best point guards ever?!lol

[@ngovkimhour5437]

He changed the game bro. It calls a unicorn bro😂😂😂

[@judyclarkson5887]

​@@ngovkimhour5437Jokic the 2nd greatest pg ever using y'all casual definition of pg. Sabonis top 5 best pg of today's nba due to his assists per game numbers 😂 It's all about assist stats right? Lol

[@Ceemun]

Nah we speaking frm Pg prospective. Curry ain’t bad jus not a true pg he’s more like a SG frm all the shooting 🤷‍♂️

[@robertrobinson1454]

Yea, kinda.

[@AstroSully]

They don’t do this to anyone except Steph to discredit him lol

[@Littyagain999]

I been saying draymond a point power-forward

[@jedimindtricks5713]

Bruh it’s not about what you think a PG should be, it’s whose the best player to be listed as a PG and that answers Steph. Plain and simple.

[@Demarcus925]

Dray asked him his thoughts how is that a problem

[@jedimindtricks5713]

@@Demarcus925 The problem is Isiah started raddling off the definition of a point guard.. instead of just focusing on the players who are listed as PG’s

[@thebayareastandout]

I think that Steph at his peak is slightly better than Isaiah Thomas at his peak but I still put Isaiah Thomas higher on the all-time list because he was great immediately and Curry was great after 5 years. Also the era that Curry plays in gives players 5 to 8 points on their scoring average because of the rules and maybe an extra assist too.

[@lukatosic09]

Its Magic no doubt

[@kokenkeer99]

Tell me one guy who's under 6.5 height and win everything there is only one guy that is mr wardell Stephen curry

[@funkymellowgroove]

Isiah Thomas is only 6’1” and did it when they said a small ball backcourt couldn’t win.

[@kokenkeer99]

@@funkymellowgroove How many mvp he had

[@AstroSully]

@@funkymellowgrooveIsiah Thomas wasn’t a Two time MVP and the first unanimous MVP lol.

[@jmthagoat]

Steph is the best player to ever play the 1… simple as that.

[@hooligan5381]

no he isn't simple as that 😂

[@TheHomieTitz]

🧢

[@stxcks23]

Magic says he’ll no

[@Geassmaster55]

​@@stxcks23 magic never won without Kareem Who was driving the bus on those championships,Was it Magic or Kareem?

[@stxcks23]

@@Geassmaster55 Are you a real person? 3/5 fmvp for Magic including his rookie season where Kareem got injured and magic dropped 42 points. The dumbest thing I’ve ever heard

[@user-uk8rs7jm5b]

It took Isaiah coming on your show for me to subscribe.

[@desmonddavis3422]

Zeke saying humbly neither can mess with me but I'm showing my respect lol

[@thefakeslimshady6969]

Glad he mentioned Oscar. He is, if not the first, blueprint for a PG

[@penkima4923]

He was a playmaking two-guard. A combo guard.

[@denniszhang9355]

It’s crazy ppl not mentioning John Stockton who is all time assist leader 😮

[@oko1526]

Man I love Isaiah Thomas!!

[@katboss4886]

Love the intelligence here, Draymond Keep being you.

[@penkima4923]

Keep doing click-baits.

[@weinaracewarandslaverystar3408]

“One of the greatest shooters ever” lol

[@stanleyodoemenem8495]

I watched that NY game, Kerr went off and Draymond knows the play. I thought that was genuine good for drays leadership

[@Owlboy12]

To me, I feel like Steph provides assists even when he is not doing assists, he don't even need to touch the ball, and he will be the point guard of the team, astronomically better than anybody, that's how dangerous he is.

[@orkahn31]

The goat of Point Guards is Magic! Nuff said! Isiah’s broke it down! You lead your team in assist running the show as the floor general! Steph is great but he’s a combo guard.

[@chriscaldwell66]

I guess Wilt is a point guard too since he led the league one year in assists. I guess Luka and Joker are point guards too since they lead their teams in assists. I guess Kyrie isn’t a point guard even though he has some of the best handles of any player ever. Stop it!

[@AstroSully]

Curry’s playmaking goes beyond passing. That’s the impact of the greatest shooter ever being able to move without the ball.

[@BalenciagaGod]

Steph got wayyyyyyyy more assist than Draymond no disrespect

[@teehud313]

Am i the only one that doesn't view at Steph as a pure point guard like Magic, stockton, isiah.....

[@cyleb2215]

YOU GOING GET A LAY UP 🤝🔥

[@JudgePhilosophical]

Well said Isiah 👏🏾

[@brandong5676]

Smh 🤦🏾 AI, Steph, and Dolla are what you call COMBO GUARDS. Guys that can play either the 1 or 2, but perform better at the 2. Isiah, Rondo, Stockton and CP3 are what you call PURE POINT GUARDS. Magic is in a league of his own, he can play/guard all 5 positions like LeBron so he’s in a league of his own

[@Jay18367]

Isaiah is so correct Dray is the PG. but there’s nothing wrong with that. There are a lot of team with two PGs on the floor nowadays.

[@StepcurryNgPinas]

what players insisting is that they play the same way as warriors, steph and dray have their own play that no other player are doing. so u cant debate urself to them. its not about the stats that define what position u are.

[@sameday3271]

If the game is positionless then how could any modern player be the best at a position? C'mon. Curry is a 2.

[@BrettNordquist]

No mention of Stockton? He has everyone beat with steals and assists which may never be beat.

[@shamelgasby5734]

He isn’t top 3

[@user-if1gh4xl5h]

a victim of the jordan era. steph magic isaiah all won chips to cement their legacy.

[@untundro]

I never looked at any Isiah Thomas highlights in my life , but I heard bra could pass

[@surgripigrip1]

I disagree with Isiah.. the point guard is whoever brings the ball up the floor PERIOD.. the reason Steph doesn’t have more assists is because Steph shoots the best, therefore he should shoot the most 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@HakeemTheDream616]

Zeke will forever be the greatest pure point guard floor general you run your offense through that facilities the game from beginning to end EVER!

[@johnnyguitarwatson5288]

My personal top 5 point guards ever: 1. Magic 2. ISAIAH 3. Curry 4. Kidd 5. STOCKTON (imo)

[@albertparson5097]

Zeke got it right If you saying point guard in the traditional sense it starts with Magic then it's the Big O then everybody else A true point guard crosses midcourt with the intention of putting his players in position to score not jacking up threes The game is just different today and Steph is very good at what he does but not in terms of what a true point guard does on the court

[@lowkeyIbes]

You can criticize without being a hater.

[@audioabdul]

Curry built his game off Steve Nash as well But leave that out

[@UnderCapAOS]

Was looking for this comment.

[@carlitosway5148]

Zeke is nowhere near Steph’s level. His phony smile masks the hater in him. Just admit it Steph is way better than you.

[@matthewwangerin6951]

It is gut-wrenching for me when two of my heroes from when I was growing up, are at odds. I wore 11 in early middle school, then switched to 23 in 8th grade. Are they still my heroes? ABSOLUTELY! My Isiah story was told to me by Calbert Cheaney. He said they were lifting heavy over the summer. In walks Isiah, loads the squat rack all the way up and busted out a set of deep squats. Everyone's jaws dropped because nobody else could get that amount of weight off the rack. I can't stand it when we do all the comparisons. How do you determine who the best is? You just can't. But in doing so, to make a point, we talk bad about someone else. Do you know how reckless, insensitive and ignorant it is to call an NBA player trash? Even more so a hall of famer. Now what I will say in relation to Magic and Isiah, they used to get that All Star game pumping! The aptitude that it takes to fly up and down the court and deliver perfect passes that whiz past defenders' ears is unreal. Unreal and un-matched. Isiah retired in 1994. Guys that talk about subjects like best point guard were little kids, in diapers or not even born, yet they talk as if they are authorities on the subject. I saw a post today that said Magic couldn't play in today's league. That is what is going on in this space. Pure foolishness. I think what is missed about Isiah and his era is that brain power that was put into trying to figure out HOW to win. Everyone is so good goo ga ga about the Mamba mentality. Isiah and Bird and Julius and Magic were on that when Kobe was in diapers. Isiah's era said "I want to beat you". Where Kobe to the current says "I'm better than you". The difference in those approaches, well if you don't get it, no point in trying to explain. There is an issue with the logic. Steph is the greatest point guard but Dame Dolla says he's better than Steph. We got a problem just right there. What people also get twisted is the assumption that guys like Isiah couldn't score like they can today. The game simply was not played like that. It just wasn't. Isiah would cook like Bennihanas today. Zeke will tell you who holds the 3 point record for the NBA Finals. I just go by "who you like". Everything else is lip service. And a lot of it is stupid lip service. Word to the wise, most every young guy getting busy today, has an old head guiding them or that coached them or taught them the game, so what are we talking about anyway? My biggest takeaway is Isiah talking about the institutional knowledge and staying like a regular human. Guys gotta pay attention. Look which guys get maligned. Great thinkers, courageous men, innovators. I'm talking the Isiahs, the Westbrooks and the Carmelos and those like them. Interesting... The next two games will determine if the Dubs are serious about making a run. They can climb the standings if they do the right things. Won't say what those things are because their Mavs and Lakers are watching. If the 6'4" rookie wants it the most, it will be a tough week. The Dubs can win both games without Steph, if the best players play like the best players. That is what it comes down to. Klay is one of the top 5 shooters of all time, Draymond is the greatest defender, CP is an all time great point guard, Wigs is one of the all time great athletes and collectively the most competitive concentration of players in the league. Gonna tell it or show it? Or is the slow Euro dude and the senior citizen just too OMG good?OMG they're soooo skilled. Two approaches. When KD signed with the Dubs, the WHOLE league started crying about how it wasn't fair...instead of getting in the damn gym and doing something about it. Well, not CP. Then tonight, I'm watching Minnesota down 22, and And Edwards said to hell with this and started cracking heads. Kind of how I feel about the Dubs in the next 2. Are Luka and LeBron just OMG Hall of fame and better than Mike, or are they going to live up to the hype, the rings, the IQ and go in like Antman? Or is Kyrie just too skilled and OMG best handle ever and if he was 6'5" OMG. No disrespect to Kyrie the Don. But what will it be? Go Dubs!

[@nonamewillbegiven8838]

Aint nobody reading all that kid

[@nonamewillbegiven8838]

And the Warriors will never be better than the 80s Lakers, 80 Celtics, 90s Bulls, 00s Spurs

[@kangsheng3946]

Wtf is this ads comes💀

[@drew-gsdubs]

Isiah was a great player and probably is under appreciated but he is always in his feelings about something. I get so tired of this pure point guard bs. You think Steph couldn’t lead this team in points and assists if the offense were set up that way? I can assure you he could but it wouldn’t have played to the strengths of his teammates or the success of the team as a whole to the same degree. Point, 2, combo who gives a damn. I have seen both play in their prime and Steph was/is better “point” blank.

[@goldenphoenix5945]

My issue with those who think passer = point guard is how you define GUARD, FORWARD, AND CENTER... We should all be able to agree Jokic, Draymond, Lebron, Sabonis, Ben Simmons, Wilt (1 season he averaged most assists in NBA) aren't GUARDS. This is why point forward and point center were invented. You can call it passing forward, passing center, and passing guard as well. The thing is, players who play the 1 today aka PG are in essence the primary guard or the primary scorer/ball handler. But this does overlap with SG (shooting guard or scoring guard). Like Kobe and MJ were the primary option too. In reality today you have 2 guards 2 forwards and 1 center. Your exact position is determined in part by who you guard due to your size but also if you score from inside or outside and if you are the primary scoring option off the dribble. Today it doesn't matter whose passing... you want 2 guards who can shoot and score, you want atleast 1 of 2 forwards to be able to space as well but they still play more so inside and guard bigs while getting more rebounds. Lastly your center still needs to score in the paint and ideally defend well while spacing is an added bonus. No one has ever agreed with me yet but I maintain that magic today is a POINT/PASSING FORWARD like Lebron because the man can't shoot or defend guards... he defends forwards better than guards so the hell you going to call him a PG for if the man is more like a forward than a guard... Magic would be better paired with most of today's Point guards than forwards because like Lebron, he would excel with spacing. Curry, Lillard, Kyrie alongside a Klay or Booker would pair amazingly sith Magic at the 4. Give him an Embiid and PG or Michael Porter Jr. to not say the obvious KD... great team... with good chemistry. So my answer for greatest PG is Curry because you can't have a better all-time starting 5 back court than Curry+MJ. Since MJ is the 2, obviously Curry is the 1. My passer is Lebron because > Magic. No Magic because Magic + Lebron + MJ = tragic spacing. Even if you put Lebron at the 1 instead of Magic to add Duncan your spacing is still terrible. I would accept you consider Lebron - MJ - Kawhi - KD + Center. I rather Curry's gravity on and off-ball with his sheer range, volume, and efficiency while shooting. Let's not forget his handles which are all-time great as well as being a very capable passer even though it's low volume more often than not. Lebron can do that. So Curry - MJ - KD - Lebron - Shaq Thus Curry is my PG and greatest PG of all time by today's NBA standards which exceed prior eras in terms of scoring and skill set. Obviously I build my judgment on the rules of the game TODAY...

[@honeysnappa]

If people watch the warriors play Steph gives out direction points to the direction and will fall back then move so that others can become open as well as his self

[@mannyach8284]

They expect Steph to run around as much as he does, make all the shots and still facilitate with averaging 10 assists. Trey Young does both roles but can’t move as much to save his team due to fatigue and he’s younger. The expectations on Curry is just wild.

[@CKNYTO]

This is why the idea that a great player would make a great coach is not a thing. Coaching, playing are different skills. Same as playing and analyzing. Just because you can play a game extremely well doesn't mean you can analyze the game at the same level. 2 different skill sets. People give too much credit to "professionals'" opinions/analysis about their profession, whether it be sports, medicine, whatever. That's not even considering the inherent biases "professionals" develop along the way.

[@samichaou]

The newer generation should be better than the older ones 😉 if not there is something wrong. With all due respect to every one who plays or played this game Newer generations get inspired, learn tricks, practices, nutrition, conditionning,.... Moreover, science is involved in the game.

[@user-rd5ye5jn9y]

Steph Curry is the greatest point & shooting guard in NBA history. There’s MJ, Bron,Kobe & Steph.

[@mannyach8284]

Even as a traditional point guard it’s like saying Jrue Holiday is better at running point than Steph, cause he averages more assists. That’s just crazy talk to me.

[@Anika_30]

Draymond needs to stop giving washed up bitter and jealous losers the platform to disrespect Steph and the Warriors.

[@tanyajones3130]

Zeke hit it on the head. Steph is really a shooting guard just like Ai both goats of their era

[@Itscomic0114]

lol not really!

[@unlimitedz2.014]

Well than where does jokic rank in the all time point guard list than

[@CCEkeke]

Steph is more of an SG/2 than a PG/1. Magic and Zeke are more pure PGs as they ran and facilitated the offense.

[@unlimitedz2.014]

So where does jokic rank on the all time pg list to u

[@edwardcoward1062]

Interesting. I really thought it was Pete Carril from Princeton who invented the offense the warriors use but Isiah wouldnt make stuff up 😒

[@LoyalOpposition]

Isiah Thomas was better than all of them. I saw them all play.

[@christophermccullough6221]

Steph for sure number one but Isiah to me is number two and I consider ai to be a point and number 3 to me

[@KingHill0005]

Steph curry talks abt emulating steve nash all the time

[@anthonygutierrez4145]

Come on green dont let him talk bout our PG like that

[@mannyach8284]

This won’t be the first time. If someone spoke about Draymond the way he devalues Steph at times, he’d be heated. He’ll play the good teammate in on the court or in person when Steph is around, but his comments and the comments he lets others make about Steph sometimes without defending him is bothersome. It’s ridiculous at times.

[@krisryan3294]

I never want to see Isiah on another podcast. I can’t tell if he’s just making stuff up or what. Steph has never mentioned emulating Ray Allen. It’s always Reggie and Nash. Lebron has led a back to back finals team in points and assists. Bet Isiah won’t add him to the greatest PG debate.

[@Themza187]

It’s like Steph can only shoot according to everybody else 😂😂

[@PatrickBato]

PointGuard position is different from a Shooting Guard position! Steph is not a PG but more of a SG so I agree with Isiah. Most people these days doesn't understand that bcoz his position iin GSW is PG and greatness but if you technically define what is the real role of a PG, Steph role doesnt fall in that description! His role is more of a SG and not as PG!

[@naynek123]

Isiah just doesn't wanna accept reality 😂..1. Magic 2. Steph 3. Oscar 4. Isiah

[@beckembrown7002]

Would y’all rather trust the shot of a random NBA that was assisted by Magic or a self-created shot by Curry? 🤔

[@macxavier168]

Zeke's logic is flawed as hell. If we're basing the definition of a point guard off what he's saying, then Jokic and LeBron (hell, even Giannis, to a certain extent) should be labeled point guards! But they're not. Jokic is a center, and LeBron is a small forward.

[@Riles3152]

Isiah Thomas and Stephen Curry are the only 2 point guards likely ever that were unquestionably the best player on championship TEAMS, that were 6’3 or under.

[@user-sn7sz8lb3p]

Update on steph yall?? Ankle?

[@GBamaBoy]

Folk upset because Zeke is telling the truth about the particular subject.

[@user-vu7hg1sq4y]

George Miken would beat both Thomas and Dreymond

[@ogangneruda619]

magic, steph, cp3, IT

[@cloudnx147]

The position still has the same name however the job description has changed. That’s all.

[@josephrivera5255]

People here thinks they know more that an actual nba player and one of the greatest PG of all time.

[@12leemaster]

Steph is more of a SG than a PG. Same with AI

[@weinaracewarandslaverystar3408]

Naw, they’re hybrids

[@ngovkimhour5437]

His starting position is PG and curry also said he doesn’t care about positions. The thing is can you play basketball? And he is starting as a PG and he revolutionized bro

[@digi_tv]

He's a SG. Fuck what they put down. LeBron is a PG. He runs the offense. Even when he plays Forward.

[@joeykhan4703]

AI is more of a SG tbh

[@DomPeezy]

? But Steph has more assists

[@lpcovertnarcissistbehavior6555]

This guy is low key hating while uplifting.

[@jfrombk338]

Steph is a point guard. The thing that people will understand when it's all said and done is he's better at shooting then everyone else, but he can't pass it to himself to shoot it. So it's better if we look at the system and how it's set up

[@iwishiwasthomasshelby]

Yeah… that’s why t when Draymond is out, team assist and FG% drastically drop. He does have a big effect, but he’s not standalone like you are suggesting. It’s not just theory. Actually watch the games and see what’s going on.

[@JudgePhilosophical]

Steph, magic then zeke in my opinion

[@josecantres9143]

magic is the best and Steph Curry is second all time I think 🤔

[@user-ko3lk5ut6p]

It’s MAGIC…. Simple

[@mr3pointshooter1]

Steph could easily be listed a shooting guard & be the greatest SG ever

[@ronaldfranco6773]

Remember MJ was SG..

[@mr3pointshooter1]

@@ronaldfranco6773 be he wasn’t the greatest shooter of all times

[@BarkNbite415]

This guy sounds like a hater everytime he speaks smh

[@gildasdeudibe1608]

Steph have 6000 total assists, Draymond only 4000

[@brooklunwalter8122]

Who tf did you play against??

[@stephen9220]

Steph is a different ANIMAL....Name me another player who is constantly being held, double teamed and fouled but not called for the entire game..Yet no complaints no flopping no league assistance all @ 6'3" 190lbs.....Steph is the architect or the Chase Center, all why being the 3rd guard drafted in his class...by the way all those chosen before him are not in the league....Oh did I mention CEO at UA SC30's outpacing the UGLY Nike LBJ shoe...

[@havefunoutthere6378]

Cop-out answers by Isiah. Always been a punk - Jordan was right.

[@DecaturQue]

If you called Steph the shooting guard nothing would change so maybe he’s right. I don’t like it though. He’s creating a fake protected class to keep himself and old styles of offense from being compared and comparison is a key component of sports.

[@Jack-bt8mm]

Steph is a hybrid then right

[@Born2Win7774]

Very nuanced answer from Zeke, but in honesty Steph is the pure distillation of all the greats he mentioned but with a gravity and cannon that is unmatched.