Islam and Decriminalization of Homosexuality in the UK with philosopher Hasan Spiker

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Subtitles added in English, Arabic, Turkish, Bangla, Malay, Indonesian, and other European languages

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Brother paul looks like an old wise man with a lot of wisdom ..... because he has a fabulous beard.

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[@autumnicleaf]

If he were that old, he would've chased you with his cane for saying that.

[@samianiamatullah2846]

Superb! Can’t wait for the full lecture. ❤

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[@aishax01]

This breakdown is very much needed in the discourse. May Allah bless you brothers.

[@Ajmolali82]

Brother Paul please invite CJ Werlemen to your show he's an atheist journalist who is speaking for the muslim ummah who are facing injustice across the world it would be wonderful to see you have interesting dialogue with him.

[@monael-chami798]

I love your work Paul especially because its spoken in the English language for all people who only understand English

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This is sure to be interesting!

[@Ibn_Abdulaziz1405]

3:27 For those interested to know what Al-'Adatu Muhakkamah is? Is that it is one of the five major legal maxism in Islam: Al-Qawa'id Al-Fiqhiyyah. The Al-Qawa'id Al-Kulliyyah Al-Kubra 1. Al-Umur bi-Maqasidiha (Matters are determined by their objectives). 2. Al-Yaqeen la Yazul bish-Shakk (Certainty is not dispelled by doubt). 3. Al-Mashaqqah Tajlibut-Tayseer (Hardships begets ease) like Allah ﷻ does not burden a person beyond what the person can bear. 4. La Daraar wala Dirar (There should be neither harming nor reciprocating harm) Or Ad-Daraar Yuzaal (Harm must be eliminated). 5. Al-'Aadatu Muhakkamah (Custom is authoritative). And there are many legal maxims, but memorize these five major ones and understand them.

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JZK brother 👍

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Thank you bro

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Where can I read them Please any link / author /book

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It is Thursday night guys so please remember to send as much Salawat as possible upon the Prophet ﷺ, Allah returns his soul so he ﷺ can receive the salams and send it back!

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We send salawat 5 times a day 365 days a year bro???

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Pease and blessings be upon our beloved prophet.

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All praise be to Allah alone,and His peace and blessings be upon His messenger and bondman our prophet Muhammad,his family and his companions.

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Allah returns his soul...?

[@joey9562]

@@bouchraandyourlordisneverf3789 Oh the ironic hypocrisy. Islam claims homosexuality is immoral and at the same time worships a 53 year old man (MUHAMMAD) who married and had sex with a six-year-old little girl. A religion that thinks this is holy, normal, and not at all perverse. 🤪insane In order for us to respect or even to be interested in your religion it has to make logical sense and be consistent. If you're Muslim, you need to read this! An Islamic scholar, Adeyefe Abdulfatai, said, "the two principal books guiding the operations of Islam - the Qur’an and the Hadith - do not explicitly spell out homosexuality." “In the Qur’an, it is not explicitly stated that Muslims should stay away or not. There is no ban talking about the homosexuality per se. And lesbianism, transgender and others were not explicitly stated in the Qur’an. “ The truth is that Islam has historically been a lot more tolerant and accepting of gay relationships than many people think. In fact, on June 22, 2017, the United Kingdom witnessed a gay Muslim marriage. The marriage joined 24-year-old Jahed Choudhury and 19-year-old Sean Rogan, a couple that has been together since 2015. His marriage is proof that the religion is not 100% anti-gay. Nevertheless, Islamic culture has a history of accepting gay and bi people and American Muslims are actually more tolerant of homosexuality and same-sex marriage than even some Christians. Here are three facts about Islam and homosexuality that may surprise you: 1. The Quran actually says nothing about homosexuality Keep in mind that homosexuality as a distinct sexual identity didn’t exist until the 19th century, and the Quran itself contains no passages condemning same-sex relations (unlike the Bible). 2. Muslim History Was Surprisingly Tolerant of Same-Sex Relationships Muslim scholar Shoaib Danial explains: “At the height of the Islamic Golden Age - a period from the mid-8th century to the mid-13th century when Islamic civilization is believed to have reached its intellectual and cultural zenith - homosexuality was openly spoken and written about.” Many Muslim poets and writers as recent at the 19th century wrote about homosexuality in society as a matter-of-fact and beautiful thing. In fact, in 1858, the Ottoman Empire (a region which included parts of modern-day Russia, Turkey, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon Israel and Jordan) even decriminalized homosexuality completely. Many Muslim countries didn’t even forbid same-sex relationships until the 19th century when British colonial laws made it so. To this day, there are no laws against gay sex in either Jordan and Lebanon (neither were ever colonized by the British). And according to the International Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Trans and Intersex Association, “Turkey scores slightly better on measures of gay rights when compared with some nearby Christian-majority nations such as Russia, Armenia and Ukraine.” 3. More American Muslims Support Same-Sex Marriage Than Evangelicals In 2017, Fifty-two percent of American Muslims now agree with the statement, “Homosexuality should be accepted by society,” nearly double the number from those polled a decade ago. Pew also found historic support among Muslim millennials (60 percent), U.S.-born Muslims (57 percent) and foreign-born Muslims (49 percent). This marks a spike in support since 2011, when only 39 percent of American Muslims were accepting, and a huge rise since 2007, when more Muslims were not accepting (61 percent) of LGB people than accepting (27 percent). The Pew survey also found that 64 percent of American Muslims agree that there is more than one way to interpret Islamic teachings -- an encouraging finding for improved LGBTQ acceptance going forward. LGBT people have been here since the beginning of time, and will be here till the end. Stop the hate and prejudice, and let people be happy and live their lives in peace.

[@aliasraf6298]

Keep Doing great work as always you do. Surely allah will reword ( for spreading his true messages) you here and hereafter.

[@Mr.Jasaw13]

really like these discussions, i think we need to get more into the history of how philosophers and judiciary elites changed the very values of society UNDEMOCRATICALLY ... when is the full discussion coming out?

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Assalamu’alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh السَّلاَمُ عَلَيْكُمْ وَرَحْمَةُ اللهِ وَبَرَكَاتُهُ

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Wa alaykumu s-salam

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MASHALLAH SUBNANALLAH PRAISE ALLAH ALLAH BLESS YOU ALL 🙏☪️☪️

[@matjebonklumen147]

Do not put Islam and homo together, that is a propaganda already!

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Bangla subtitle is not put out correctly, better to listen in english.

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You must watch this video.

[@ishakrahuya]

It always boggled me how the Ottomans decriminalised homosexuality in 1858, yet our country took up till 1967 to do the same. Also, love the new format. Hope you had a good time in the speech/conference. - From a longtime viewer

[@solidvault3698]

I mean why decimalize it in the first place? it does more bad than good.

[@fasihussaini8554]

That is a common misconception. The Ottomans never decriminalised homosexuality.

[@ConquerModernity111]

You seem to imply this is a good thing

[@ishakrahuya]

@@ConquerModernity111 How so? I'm more shocked that it took Britain longer than the Ottomans.

[@ishakrahuya]

@@fasihussaini8554 They did in 1858 under the Mecelle.

[@leebarry5686]

It’s a serious crime hurting the actor and his partners and even young generations and society , so it is illegal and incur certain punishment and remedies!

[@renny6151]

No. Leave us alone. We don’t hurt people because we love who we love, stop trying to control the way others live and what they can or cannot think.

[@renny6151]

It’s not illegal to be LGBT in the UK. If you have a problem with this, move to an Islamic nation where it’s actually illegal.

[@paulthomas281]

"One doesn't necessarily have a right to bring into the public what isn't normative..." Wow. A mouthful. And the general problem of our not starting with an understanding of what is the good, he says. So let's talk about the good. I'm all for it. Let's now talk about the good and the non-good, the wrong? What's wrong with homosexuality?

[@AshrafAnam]

What's wrong with pedophilia if it's consensual? If you say the age of consent is 18, why isn't teenage intimacy criminalized?

[@purekhizi]

I dare you to watch the whole conversation rather than get your back up about a snippet of it . kzbin.info/www/bejne/mWnTYWCnp7hoprM

[@SauceGod-y5p]

@DC_Ashraf cause they are all teenage, we don't allow the first one(I can not say it, or my comment will be deleted). But we do not allow the first one because it is like taking advantage of a drunk girl, a person that âge is not able to think correctly as an adult, to correctly see all consequences of a marriage, they can be manipulated very quickly into thinking some particular person is their type, a old ugly without talent man can manipulate such a person very easily for example. They are victims not criminal so if they do it between them, there is no real criminal, they are all victim of their ignorance of their teenage curiosity, those are anomalies too, we cannot punish them doesn't mean we see it as good. In France, for example, at the end of the year, you need to confirm your identity with a numeric identity if you want to access adult movies , so teenagers can not access those When homosexuals are two adults, old enough to understand the consequences of their actions , they are like non drunk people, able to use their own reasoning to direct their lives. So, who care on what they do as long as it doesn't affect others

[@TheFatMan]

It's an abomination

[@purekhizi]

@@SauceGod-y5p Because universalizing homosexuality would mean the end of society, indeed, of human beings. That's why it shouldn't be promoted publicly. For goodness' sake, the birth rate in the West is already way below replacement rate. Also, the practice is extremely unhealthy and causes many diseases. Read O'Reilly's book, Making Gay Okay, for statistics.

[@user-pt6ug5ug3m]

Homosexuality is a normal condition, just as stuttering is a normal condition. Both are in the minority of the population. Are you saying then that people who stutter should only stutter at home and keep thier stuttering to themselves in public. This type of religious exclusion of others, is what leaves a bad taste in people's mouths.

[@BloggingTheology]

What does God say about sexual activity outside of marriage? I think that is the crucial question for us.

[@purekhizi]

All due respect, this is a sentimental "argument" that appeals to the emotions and is devoid of any rational content. Stuttering and active homosexuality have absolutely nothing to do with each other. The first is non-volitional, the second volitional. The second thing is the stuttering harms no one, but active homosexuality is far from harmless. 56 percent of people with AIDS in the United States are gay men, despite their constituting 5.6 percent of the population. Aside from these empirical arguments, our concern, as Paul has indicated, is what God wills of us. He has proscribed sexual activity outside of marriage, not stuttering. You can stutter all you want !

[@whydontyoustfu]

​@@BloggingTheology god says u can have concubine outside of marriage ?

[@user-pt6ug5ug3m]

​@@purekhizi With an unproven god as your base, to then suggest that my argument was sentimental and appealing to emotions and is devoid of rational content, I'm afraid is the pot calling the kettle black. You're right, Homosexuality in some cases is choice. But as I said. People are born homosexual and therefore are normal. It may be not be the average or most common sexuality, but it is normal. If you truly believe that God created all things. The you must accept this as Gods creation.

[@purekhizi]

@@user-pt6ug5ug3m Our God is proven. Sorry to be the one to break it to you. You are full of presumption and assumptions !

[@marigold9736]

Human being have the most amazing ability to believe in subjective lies and write laws to justify means to an end, people should be afraid of these kinds of democracy that gives right to destroy ultimately one's self before all else. It's very sad.

[@renny6151]

Being gay does not destroy oneself. Why do religions even have an issue with gay people?

[@richardbradley1532]

Of course you have a right to bring something into public and promote it. Good is subjective.

[@benharis1956]

Not when it is against God's will.

[@richardbradley1532]

@@benharis1956 and how do you know something is against God's will?

[@solidvault3698]

@@richardbradley1532 Through the True Revelation that is the Quran. And Good is Objective. Just like morality

[@richardbradley1532]

@SolidVault what about all the other 'true' revelations through all the other holy books? How are you differentiating?

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@@richardbradley1532 If goodness is subjective why having laws which enforce one subjective thing and exclude another?