Islam and the Future of Tolerance (Fixed Sound)

[@memoryhero]

"If your free exercise of your religion requires that I follow its precepts, that is not freedom of religion; that is theocracy." -Sam Harris

[@1ummahabid]

Islam is not really a religion it is a deen, a way of life or system. Like any system it is impossible for it to function without it being dominant. As a comparison capitalism tends to focus on the individual disregarding the community, communism meanwhile focuses on the community and forgetting the individual. Islam is recognised as a middle road between the two.

[@h.p.b.909]

+Abid Hussain +Abid Hussain Interesting, I'd been ignorant of this word/concept until now. It's a useful distinction. It may not be unique among religions in its intent to be universal (see: the "Catholic" Church), but it does make clear why Islam is a legitimate subject of skepticism and inquiry, and why to be skeptical of it -- even as a white male non-believer -- need not have anything at all to do with racism. *Any* system that wants to be universal, and would compel my participation and/or assent, and whose devotees are motivated and in significant cases willing to use coercion and violence to get there -- whether catholicism or Islam, communism or catholicism -- should provoke a healthy distrust among freedom-loving people of all political persuasions. Islam would bore me if it didn't want to -- one day if not now -- want to tell me what to do.

[@1ummahabid]

So you would rather do whatever is the norm in society right?

[@henrypbel]

+Abid Hussain no. I want to live under a secular government, because that's the only way to guarantee religious freedom, and because, to the extent possible I want to be free to follow my conscience, wherever that takes me (whether that means embracing cultural norms or rejecting them is beside the point). By definition, if I'm living under a deen (as I understand it), I'm not free to do that -- I have to submit to a theocracy instead. I'm not saying our current capitalist democracy (so-called) is ideal, but it beats any theocracy I can imagine.

[@1ummahabid]

+henrypbel The Middle East/Asia is not Europe secularism is like a dead horse there. I think that part of the reason why the Arab Spring began was the world witnessing the reemergence of the Asian economies particularly China to a lesser extent India and to a even lesser extent Russia (mainly effecting turkey), this would have at least spurred them on as they want to see the same level of progress. Chances are the more the Asian economies develop the more confident Muslims will become in calling for the resumption of the Khilafah.

[@chiacheeseng538]

Freedom of speech is the reason why we have this conversation. We must defend freedom of speech in order to defeat any bad ideas.

[@dexterdexter402]

@be positivei hope you are not equating Muslim countries with islam religion by saying Muslim countries don't have freedom of speech. ... Because one question that cited a UN report saying that the reason a lot of these countries being not as liberal (say compared to West) has little to do with the religion of islam. I am not sure if you are but thought i would clarify.

[@silverjones2317]

@@dexterdexter402 you must have no idea what pefophile mouhamid did with those who criticized him. Ex, 9 Om Kerfa, Asmaa, his own tribe when they didn't believe his fairy tale stories. The tradition of punishing anyone who dates to question anything Islamic teachings in mouzlim countries is alive and well.

[@dexterdexter402]

@@silverjones2317 i don't think you know much about muhammad. I would recommend you read an independent book not an article about him written by a non muslim. But you attacking integrity of muhammad and me defending it is a separate issue. Good job dodging the issue. .. i am for respectful freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is the point to discuss. As for those countries who punish when you question anything about muhammad or anyone else i say FUCK Them. As for as i know islam places a responsibility (not a wish but responsibility) on humans for inquiry and intellectual improvement.

[@silverjones2317]

@@dexterdexter402 I suggest you read about mouhamid in your own Arabic resources ex ibn Hisham

[@derekmizer6293]

@@dexterdexter402 so, a Muslim can FREELY draw the prophet?! That would be freedom of speech.

[@CthrillaJ]

If you only believe certain parts of the book then you have to admit that the book is not divinely inspired by God. If you still insist that the book is divinely inspired, but refuse some of the teachings, then you are saying that God has faults and that you disagree with the supreme deity.

[@Skindoggiedog]

False, obviously. The fault can lay with man's transcription and translation. Which is what apologists not only could claim, but do claim. The problem with that is ... how do we identify which parts are divinely inspired and which are not? I mean ... is this your first time having a go at this? Certainly appears that way.

[@CthrillaJ]

+Skindoggiedog You just basically supported what I said. You must be new at this

[@DerLamer]

The Qur'an says of itself that it is a direct quotation from God, in all its entirety. Saying that uncomfortable readings are just "misunderstandings" or "interpretations", perhaps in bad faith or out of political aims or out of worldly ails, is making the fatal error of confusing raw information (the text as is) with the vague and ultimately unbased hope that religions surely cannot be that destabilizing, unjust or just plain evil. You really should know better. There is really, really bad content in the Qur'an, and it takes a noble idiot to gloss it over.

[@naturalphilosophy9649]

Perhaps there will be an upsurge of Sufism in the Muslim intelligentsia, that is my prediction and my hope, to the Sufi jihad means an inner spiritual struggle, passages can be metaphorical,it could be compared to the Bhagavad Gita where Krishna and Arjuna are on a battlefield, but it is a battle of the mind and heart, not to be taken literally. I think the Sufis have correctly interpreted this, but the literalists have dominated.

[@peterscottmorgan1]

I'm going to come across as anti-religious here, but that's fine. You have nailed the poison that religion is - it's a poison of the mind. An individual, rather than admit that they or their beliefs could be wrong in front of their peer group, feel threatened and insecure enough to dig their heels in and fight against the perceived onslaught. This is natural by the way; it's the amygdala, our primal brain, in action. You cannot fight someone out of a prison of their own making... you have to show them the open door and invite them to leave, or be content to converse through the prison bars that they reside behind.

[@christinakeiser]

Very happy to see conversations like this. This is how intelligent people who care about humanity deal with having different beliefs. Very inspiring.

[@jesseoreilly1792]

I prefer to just stand up in the audience and loudly interrupt them with various accusations of bigotry. If that fails I just scream unintelligently and flail around. LOL.

[@-Rambi-]

@Check proofs of Islam in my playlists ​ What is free about it? Nothing that is you up to a certain age was under your control. You did not decide your parents, you did not decide where you where brought up and you did not decide what school or teachers you had to influence everything you now know. You did most likely not choose your faith, if that is the family faith or the leading faith in that country you were more or less bound to believe in it. In the same way you would most likely be a Christian in the US or a Hindu in India. You did not choose who you are in the same way that you can't just choose to not belive in God any longer. You can't choose to belive that grass is blue or the sun is purple. It is not up to you what you think or believe. Our brain is just like KZbin running an algorithm on us. What is you, if not the brain conditioned from environment and genes? When a person gets brain-damaged the personality often changes completely, like it is another person all of a sudden. No, There is no free will. We are all just the result of genes and our environment, neither of which we ourselves have any control over.

[@h3rteby]

@Check proofs of Islam in my playlists If you really want to know, you can probably find some summaries of his books "Free Will" and "The Moral Landscape"

[@h3rteby]

@Check proofs of Islam in my playlists Because he does not believe in free will, he does indeed not think that criminals *deserve* punishment, however it is still beneficial to imprison them to protect others, and otherwise punish them so that they follow the law.

[@h3rteby]

@Check proofs of Islam in my playlists Who are you referring to? You don't need free will to protect something, just like the Earth's magnetic field protects the atmosphere. You also don't need free will to be intelligent and make decisions, just look at computers/AI.

[@cinemar]

What an overblown intro for a moderator.

[@ButtFucker3000-w7o]

Ya i was searching for this comment

[@meneither3834]

The moderator herself was annoyed.

[@FL_Cottonmouth]

Plus “a man/woman for all seasons” doesn’t mean that you have a lot of credentials. That’s not what that means at all. She probably meant to say “jack [insert clever female substitute here] of all trades” but got the expressions mixed up.

[@torpewtoonson7521]

A solid, and literal, 1 minute and 30 seconds of list of accomplisments...introducer cleverly forgetting that, after about 25 seconds, we're so annoyed at not getting the name of the fantastic person, that we disregard their name entirely in sheer fucking frustration; and yeah, you bet your ass that's embarrasing, and it would be for anyone..Jesus himself in that position would be like 'alright, fucking calm down now, jeees..ehm..moving on'

[@mijachin]

I feel more that the black lady disliked some request made by the moderator so she burned her on stage XD

[@PTarahb]

someone tape ben affleck's eyelids open and make him watch this

[@Sheyvanrocks]

+Black Bellamy i second that! Yo Ben, get yo libertarded ass o'er here!

[@jayops]

+Sheyvan Lmfao, don't forget to bring Reza Aslan along as well! That unsophisticated and facile dishonest twit needs this enlightening royal treatment too!

[@eugenepanferov4069]

+Black Bellamy your comment triggered me to watch this video :)

[@Lordfried]

Ben was just trying to appear as someone "intolerant of intolerance", and he failed... The reason: he has a huge lack of knowledge on that matter, and of course he didn't know who Sam Harris is, what he was trying to explain and what his researches actually mean to the intellectual community.

[@TheDcfan01]

+Luis Felipe Viloria Pastor He didn't need to know who sam harris was.. he just needed to understand english. Sam explained his point brilliantly, as always.. and Ben had no interest in listening.

[@nakulgote]

"There is no tension between free speech and freedom of religion. If your free exercise of religion requires that I follow your precepts, that's not freedom of religion. That's theocracy." - Sam Harris

[@alnotbiggaytho7124]

The problem there is that Islam doesn't force anyone fo follow it.

[@MegaDixen]

@@alnotbiggaytho7124 so you family leaving you behind if you drop the religion is not force

[@bobb7317]

Alperen 0485 have you seen the Pew polls about the massive Percentage of Muslims who are for stoning Muslims who leave the religion? Seriously google it.

[@ahmedakhan1]

@@bobb7317 I have not heard of any Muslim stoned for leaving his religion. In any case the Quran is very clear when it says " Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error." (2:256). So if anyone is stoned for any reason, it is not the Quran that mandates this punishment for any crime! I repeat, for any crime!

[@yunaru3643]

@@ahmedakhan1 Read about Lina Joy in Malaysia if you want some examples. She's not stoned, but her life surely became worse for her

[@Kevo216666]

Long intros. Jeez! If you know everyone it starts at around 14:00

[@RevenSkinn]

-_- uh no

[@lisaschuster9187]

Thank you.

[@hellobello3153]

Michael Buffer, famous ring announcer said that when he first started out it’d take 30 minutes announcing all persons related to the match including the ringside physicians, managers, etc. It just took the crowd out of the fight. My point, thank god for youtube.

[@jamiesimms7084]

Thank you

[@ilikewater666]

Thanks. The intros were waay too long. Especially for the moderator, good god.

[@bluefiddleguy]

"It Is Useless To Attempt To Reason A Man Out Of A Thing He Was Never Reasoned Into" was swift. And it's a great quote for there.

[@benjaminodonnell258]

Benjamin Jones But the whole psychological discipline of cognitive behavioural therapy tends to disprove it...

[@zanmato3041]

it sounds good but Sam then rightly went on to say that it wasn't true.

[@llddau]

Which is why I am astounded and in awe of the courage it takes for people to leave islam, after being brainwashed from birth, particularly in muslim-run countries, especially to become and see such violence and hatred from your family, held as something to be proud of. Imagine the intelligence, determination and bravery it must take to escape from the cultish thinking that is religious, cultural and political islam!

[@oxydreamer]

did you just hear those words and not the words directly after? about how it is obviously not true? lol wtf........

[@bluefiddleguy]

@@oxydreamer In fact, I did hear just those words and not the ones after until around six months ago, when I read a comment about it and re-listened, and indeed WTF. I'm too vain or squeamish to reply to my own comment with "what an idiot!", but perfectly fair for you to do so!

[@CraigRattleHead]

great talk but to say you have a Muslim child is ridiculous. it's like saying you have a republican or democratic child. Religion is the ball and chain on society. Sad but true.

[@SuchingYan]

hmmm.... religion is not an issue. Muslim isn't a religion. thats the issue. If there are no religions, I bet there will be even more chaos. As you can see now, all those SWJs

[@blackscreennoiseforrelaxat1517]

Melody Yan I would second that.

[@JudithSanchez-ht6jn]

CraigRattleHead false I am Christian and if I going to a country who does not Christian I will keep my faith but if I cannot practice my faith because there no churches and Islam is the only abrahamic faith I will going with the veil.😲😢as long the Islam does not practice hate. It is better to live with faith that none at all.

[@Klopp2543]

@@JudithSanchez-ht6jn explain the nun attire then? They do wear veils too and have been for time immemorial?

[@Uriel-Septim.]

“The fanatical atheists are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures who - in their grudge against traditional religion as the ‘opium of the masses’ - cannot hear the music of the spheres.”-Albert Einstein.

[@mlowry]

Good discussion. Thanks to Sam and Maajid!

[@RichardofEssexShire]

It's not often somebody shares a stage with Sam Harris and looks like the more nuanced thinker. Maajid managed it here, especially with his longer speeches near the end.

[@TheHanspeter8]

+RichardofEssexShire I don't agree, there are many contradictions within him, I find it hard to listen to people that do not realize how often they argue against their own principles, it just hurts my head.

[@101babybush]

I don't agree either but this is one of the very few times where I didn't fast foward just to hear Sam Harris

[@ambersullivan5730]

+RichardofEssexShire Well this comes down more to the fact that Sam is normally on the side of religions as a whole and the damage being done to the human race for such beliefs. This different goal, as looking for a way to move forward, gives him a bit less of a reason to override Maajid. They compliment each other well and I think that more people need to be paying attention to these 2.

[@webbess1]

+RichardofEssexShire Intellectually, I think Maajid and Sam are pretty evenly matched. Maajid is a better wordsmith though.

[@MikkoHaavisto1]

Maajid made an error when he said that his life experiences as a Muslim make it impossible for him to be Islamophobic. Your claims and arguments do not depend on who you are. It doesn't matter if they are spoken by a straight white male atheist or a homosexual black woman Muslim. If these two people made the same claims and arguments, BOTH OR NEITHER of them would be Islamophobic or sexist or racist.

[@Vurdox]

I thought it was impossible to be islamaphobic because a phobia is an irrational fear...

[@MikkoHaavisto1]

If an argument's conclusion is true, that doesn't mean the argument is valid. My point is Maajid made an invalid argument.

[@Slanghappy]

Did he actually say it was impossible for him to be islamaphobic for those reasons? I dont remember. I took it as being strong evidence that he isn't, not that it means its impossible for him to be islamaphobic.

[@bonnarlunda]

I'd say he made an error because he either doesn't know, or hides, the fact that that term is created by islamic scholars to shut down discussion. There are info on how to determine if someone is an islamophobe, and it actually boils down to "someone who knows that islam exists but haven't converted yet". In that light, the term is truly useless and only a weapon. We need a counter-measure, and that is "kafferophobe" to put a name on those of the islamic faith that do believe that everybody outside of their specific version of islam (oh, yes, there are conflicts within the ummah because of different views) is somehow a threat to their way of life.

[@secularvalue5087]

Why do people say Islam is a race? it is a theology that promotes theocracy

[@Hyperpandas]

Most don't, except possibly inadvertently when people misuse "racism" to mean "predjudicial" or "discriminatory". That being said, Islam has more than one theology that goes by the same name and not all of them promote theocracy. In fact, it's not hard to find Muslims who actively oppose theocracy.

[@mosshark]

We're on the right track if we begin to have more conversations of this kind.

[@mynewslacks]

Maajid and Sam are both liberals I believe.

[@nadjiguemarful]

Sam is a classical liberal.. and so is anybody worth conversing with on any of these issues..

[@BVargas78]

economically sam is left leaning too. Note - i said left leaning, not left.

[@karimshebeika8010]

that´s why usamerican political nomenklatur always confuses me. Being a liberal means being left right? However in an economic sense, liberalism is more right then left (right?)

[@m74d3]

Karim Shebeika Not at all. liberalism is definitely left on economic issues. liberals tend to be for income redistribution and higher taxes and regulations. That's definitely leftist thinking. The right believes in the opposite

[@tarsiusbancanus5279]

It's completely ridiculous that this not watched a million times, very interesting!

[@MichaelChaseWalkermchasewalker]

Thanks for fixing the audio! I thought I was going deaf.

[@willjamesb]

Our civilisation, whatever it is, is lucky to have Maajid and Sam.

[@willjamesb]

@Check proofs of Islam in my playlists ok boomer

[@mattkline3431]

I was half-disappointed at the beginning of the video at the realization that it may not be a contentious, sparks-flying type of debate. Then I was deeply more satisfied by this more congenial meeting and exploration of subjects that are only possible in such a demeanor. Deeply satisfying and engaging. Also the host is kind of a fox.

[@OneDawkinsFan]

When did this talk take place? I hate this strange "ahistoric" custom of uploading videos without this info.

[@andrefrancis1]

I totally agree. All debates of this sort should have their date of occurrence if only to put them into context

[@SuperJMichael]

2015

[@pardugempardulalip]

Two weeks before Islam and the Future of Tolerance was released

[@sarshad6798]

It literally says the date in the description

[@johncelticbhoy1030]

@@sarshad6798 You're missing the point. That date is the upload date. As with all youtube videos the upload date may or may not be the date the event happened. In this case it appears to be the same date, but it's not obvious.

[@barbaradillon5463]

A marvelous presentation and now I've got much to think about. Thank you.

[@patricktruchon9153]

How can Islam be reformed when it is based on the Koran?

[@harishaneef26]

Patrick Truchon The interpretation/understanding of the Quran is what needs to be reformed not Islam itself .

[@freecitizen2760]

haris haneef : You can’t “reinterpret” what is very clear and supposedly the direct word of God. “Kill those who won’t submit to Islam” ... you can’t “reform” that, you have to destroy it through whatever means necessary.

[@harishaneef26]

Nathan Cirillo lol dude which part of the Quran is that ? Kill those who won’t submit ? 😆The Quran has been interpreted in a variety of ways for centuries . Do us a favor and don’t write about things you don’t know .

[@freecitizen2760]

haris haneef : Search “Sword Verses”. Quran 2:191 “And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter... and fight them until fitnah is no more, and religion is for Allah.” Why don’t you tell Wikipedia to not write about things they don’t know about? I feel so sorry for you. It’s ok. Lots of Muslims leave Islam and love being free of it. Check out Apostate Prophet and One Godless Woman. I suppose they don’t understand Islam either?

[@harishaneef26]

@@freecitizen2760 : Lol so you study quran of off Wikipedia. Well that explains why you have no clue about what you are writing here. Every muslim knows about this verse but if you had a good look at the verse, you would notice that it says " drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter" . Anyone with a little grey matter in their head can see that the commandment to fight is against those who drove the believers out and persecuted them for their beliefs. We get a full picture of the context if other verses related to this verse are studied. Your cherry picking of this verse and misinterpreting it actually proves my point that reinterpretation of the Quran is the way to reform Islam from ludicrous and extremist interpretations like yours.

[@TEAMCATLOVECATS]

Sam is right, you cant criticize Islam without backlash. What about Zionism then?

[@jamesbrown2761]

You can criticize Islam, but you must be ready to prove your point & admit to the areas where you're ignorant. Otherwise you're insincere, which'll lead any rational person to think you an agitator who just wants to be insulting & thats when you get a similar backlash coming your way. At the same time one must debate the issue with respected & highly regarded Islamic forefront scholars, not an 1/2 wit Imam of your choosing. Only then is it a respectable exchange & not a stupid bashing that invites its own mirror backlash. Its about manners my friend, no more.

[@showmercytoothers4059]

@SDD41 so when did you separate from your head ?

[@bellycurious]

@@showmercytoothers4059, you should ask that question to the Charlie hebdo journalists... No, wait, they are DEAD.

[@senselessnothing]

criticizing jews is illegal

[@MinionWarlord]

Criticising Islam or Zionism can be done but in good faith without insult but based on factual evidence.. You cant simply spew blanket statement that would either stir hatred and violence from within the groups or towards the groups..

[@poiutrew]

When you believe in a set of laws decreed by your God which stand morally above all other creeds in the eyes of that faith's followers, it is virtually impossible that you will you will be able coexist with people who do not share your set of values; as they are ultimately immoral at worst or unpleasant at best. People are very tribal & if they see others as different from themselves they will treat them differently. Religions are one of - if not the - most divisive forces on Earth. Very few people have the presence of mind, rationalism and self awareness to not succumb to this.

[@ramzichouk4080]

Well if you actually are passioned about something faith comes by itself ! and when you decide to study religion you will come up with a rational conclusion that is based on knowledge not on a subjective view of the world !

[@poiutrew]

Ramzi Chouk When you're passioned, the chances are that your body is being overwhelmed by emotions. Such moments rarely result in rationality. The only rational statement a human can make is that we are irrational most of the time.

[@ramzichouk4080]

poiutrew no ! you are convincing yourself that you are irrational and it becomes your reality ! what do you study ? what's your job ?

[@montyheath801]

poiutrew True. Overcoming this mindset you so well describe is like having to struggle against a very crippling form of imbecility.

[@chrysies9405]

poiutrew Religions? What about secular ideologies like Marxism? I am an atheist. I will start my criticism with myself first, and expand that to my family, and then my community, and then to my secular ideology long before I slap labels on the irrational beliefs of others. No religious chaos comes close to what atheistic political movements have wrought upon or recent past.

[@olavurksnadal1837]

Sam Harris is a pillar of modern day intellectualism, what a clear speaking man with a great mind.

[@sophonax661]

Wow. Maajid's answer to the last question was top notch. The Voldemort effect causing a rise of right wing populism is exactly what I am observing in Germany.

[@marclander5802]

As a german I can't agree more. It puzzles me how people rightfully reject national facism but are apologist when it comes to islamic facism. This vacuum was filled by right wing populism. Both are a thread to the free pluralistic secular humanistic society we want to have.

[@spoonlamp]

Across Europe sadly

[@peterscottmorgan1]

Ditto UK unfortunately

[@comitatus5337]

This is not a problem for those who want to preserve the culture of their people, its self defense and lets hope the movement grows.

[@sophonax661]

@@ahm512 Is the violence in the Qur'an also a result of western intervention?

[@Rooster70]

I love how much sweat is coming out of the students asking the questions.

[@DIALSQUARE1]

One of the best debates about this difficult subject that I have ever listen too - To Me Maajid is a heroic Character willing to challenge extremist views from the left and right and often brilliantly articulating for people of all cultures that delicate space between culture ,religion and belief . Maajid as soon as your ready to start your political career Im ready to vote !

[@jkherold63]

I wish more people of character of all faiths had the courage to challenge the extremists in their respective religion as Maajid does.

[@pratikshchauhan5553]

This is how two descent educated men discuss the most fragile issues. Amazing...

[@palsbro89]

1:12 Sam: "Oh shit, better put my glass like Maajid's and Juliette's"... I dont know why that is so funny to me xD

[@MrMudslap]

Hahahhahah, and while that lady was droning on too.

[@xsuploader]

i think he just realised there was a closer place to put the glass.

[@simranpreetsawhney5939]

Hahaha... I noticed it just now..

[@EmperorsNewWardrobe]

what akram said

[@FakeGrapefruit]

Haha, the only time I've heard the words "check your privilege" used correctly.

[@MinhNguyen-mk5xp]

"There is no tension between free speech and freedom of religion. If your free exercise of religion requires that I follow your precepts, that's not freedom of religion. That's theocracy." - Sam Harris

[@justanotherlostsoul5769]

@Subarashii Ningen you don't understand free speech, telling people to kill people or to kill themselves falls under hate speech not freedom of speech, you seem like a smart fella just your point was dumb

[@swamivardana9911]

@Subarashii Ningen Covid kills 0.2% of those inflected. That is a pandemic. Islamists form 20% of Muslims (by vote count). Do your maths.

[@anthonycaserta89]

You can't argue about freedom while saying something is hate speech...

[@anthonycaserta89]

@Subarashii Ningen no it doesnt because no one is forced.. force is the key. Thats why it becomes a theocracy

[@llddau]

‘Reverse racism’ is a silly, incorrect and frankly racist expression in itself, as it specifically means that racism is a ‘White’ thing, and anytime it comes from others it is some kind of anomaly, and supposedly opposite of what the word means.

[@derekmizer6293]

Reverse racism is usually used by white people to accuse non whites of racism while denying racism even exists. I agree, the term "reverse racism " is silly. It should be just racism Same with anti-semitism. Why is racism against white people a SPECIAL kind of racism? Just call it racism.

[@Mark_Dyer1]

"The UK is a net exporter of terrorism!" Quote: Maajid Nawaz. And our Political Class consider that they have done nothing wrong in importing millions of Moslems into the United Kingdom?!?! Maajid did also appear with Douglas Murray: I think in an Oxford Union, or an international debate. Sorry, I'm so unreliable: I had a major cardiac arrest in 2008, whilst writing up a doctorate on Death!!! It left me with a modicum of brain damage.

[@philipbannor3281]

At what timestamp does Maajid state this in the video?

[@Mark_Dyer1]

@@philipbannor3281 Philip; I think it is in a different KZbin post, shared with Douglas Murray. I had listened to it just beforehand, which is why my damaged brain remembered it, and I was able to quote it directly.

[@philipbannor3281]

@@Mark_Dyer1 Thanks for the response - but do you mean that Maajid also did a video with Douglas Murray at some point in which he said this, or that Mr Murray said this in one of his videos? In either case, can you remember which one?

[@Mark_Dyer1]

@@philipbannor3281 Try 09:20 onwards......he actually says, "Britain is a net exporter of extremism":. I had misquoted him: although I think the implication is the same. Sorry, I'm so unreliable: I had a major cardiac arrest in 2008, whilst writing up a doctorate on Death!!! It left me with a modicum of brain-damage.

[@philipbannor3281]

@@Mark_Dyer1 Again - thanks very much for the response. Yes, he does say that - although I wonder where he gets this information from. Don't worry about the small mistake - we all make them! :)

[@krisbest6405]

I will tolerate any lifestyle that promotes love without a hint of evil mentioned in their book or teachings, where every human is valued .

[@ssm7593]

Buddhism,Jainism,Sikhism welcomes you

[@ssm7593]

@Youhan Van dam You are welcome in Dharmic religions feel free ✌

[@MohitKumar-jf8lz]

@@ssm7593 bullshit.

[@noneyabidness9644]

Then you blind yourself to the reality of what you and we all are. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

[@imonlyamanandiwilldiesomed4406]

"It's an honor to be here at Harvard" "At the center of every great disaster, there's a Harvard man" -Sowell

[@skdooman]

"On this issue, time is of the essence" after a 10 minute into of the moderator.

[@probusexcogitatoris736]

Why it is so fucking hard for people understand that asking questions does not mean making commentary.

[@desolat3264]

The word “Islam” does not mean peace, it means submission i.e to allah.

[@taylorrico496]

Ahh the beauty of freedom of speech

[@Peter-dr9ch]

@Check proofs of Islam in my playlists stoning women?

[@Peter-dr9ch]

@Check proofs of Islam in my playlists does that matter?

[@Peter-dr9ch]

@Check proofs of Islam in my playlists disgusting.

[@Peter-dr9ch]

@Check proofs of Islam in my playlists then don’t do it

[@CWRardin]

I love how Majid sidestepped the regressive Muslims are victims narrative at 1:14:05 and diffused her agenda by discussing bigotry across the board including anti-semitism.

[@HerbsmanRevs]

A really interesting and insightful talk, thank you

[@sweetmusic846]

It still makes me wonder, when push comes to shove, it must be difficult to check your beliefs at the door when Sam says mohammed was a conquering warlord and Maajid thinks he was a prophet

[@1354pj]

Muhammad is an extreme case of a narcissistic personality!

[@alnotbiggaytho7124]

@@1354pj he told people not to draw him so that no one would worship him, how narcissistic.

[@davehar447]

@@alnotbiggaytho7124 narsissism deals with life one leads when alive ..they don't care what happens after they are gone. So concentrate on his life and see

[@davehar447]

@@ahm512 yes, there are many examples... Christ,Buddha,mahavir,not to mention the sages of India who have given tremendous wisdom most of which is still applicable in today's age, Gandhi,Hitler,..list is endless...sadguru,mother Teresa,srj Sri Ravi Shankar. Nothing can be a monopoly of just one !

[@rexsceleratorum1632]

@@ahm512 Do you hear yourself? If your religion has taught you to believe that Buddha was a failure because he did not conquer lands, your religion is a religion that glorifies violence.

[@Nia-zq5jl]

What if Maajid Nawaz is an atheist that is just staying officially as an muslim to optimize the reformation?

[@bluenotesessions1]

He has basically admitted this to be true. He calls himself "culturally" Muslim.

[@biffii5568]

Well, duh?

[@muhammedberkonder7802]

Well i am a muslim and i share almost the same beliefs as he does. Am i also trying to trick myself into optimizing my reformation ? You can both have belief and reasoning, it is not only just a christian feature.

[@abdelmoumenederoueche369]

He is a muslim

[@TheShapingSickness]

I've had this over a year on my watch later, glad I finally gave it a watch.

[@pravinda333]

It's about time Muslims start having a conversation about their religion.

[@santasa8888]

really ?! and ....they don't ? or they don't until or unless they start accepting words of wisdom and civilization from your grey philosopher-king Sam and white god-emperor in Washington, London, Paris ?

[@ahmedharris7148]

Ignorant to assume that it hasn't been happening. The sad fact is that most people live in their own bubbles and don't pay attention to discussions happening elsewhere in other lands in different languages. Just because you haven't heard them doesn't mean they're not occurring

[@jabronijihad]

After that into I know more about this moderator than my sister

[@g3synth205]

Regarding "tension" between free speech and freedom of religion: "If your free exercise of your religion... requires that I follow its precepts, that's not freedom of religion, that is theocracy." - Sam Harris - 47:50 Love that quote.

[@itsedavan]

I think Maajid's Voldemort analogy was spot on.

[@raminybhatti5740]

@Full Natty Vegan He's incredibly disingenuous. If you actually listen to him in detail for an extended period of time (he has a radio show in the UK) it becomes clear that he hopes to achieve via western democracy over the natural course of time what his violent counterparts desire to force through via violent intimidation over a lesser period. He realises demographics and the culture are on his side. It's just a matter of time.

[@raminybhatti5740]

@Sophie Wright He certainly is. Unfortunately, he's been embraced by the establishment as a legitimate figure, when all it takes is a few hours of listening to his arguments, and some considerable reading between the lines, to realise that he's a very dangerous man.

[@jamiesimms7084]

@Full Natty Vegan you must be crazy to think that. What do you know about him? He's abused my lots of Muslims and attacked and accused as not being s real Muslim. I bet you are just racist.

[@jamiesimms7084]

@@raminybhatti5740 you're sick and you're the dangerous one and I can read between your lines.

[@jamiesimms7084]

@Sophie Wright you're fake

[@jackjones3657]

Maajid Nawaz would not be considered a "Good" Muslim and the reality is that he is a small minority of supposed moderate Islamists.

[@idnankhan8380]

Retarded comment, moderate Islamist?... Jargon and US created smear words with no meaning at all.

[@zamzamadam2034]

yh thank GOD FOR THAT

[@supermecho3]

V Garg Excuse me Majid has a radio show and knows more about the Koran and Arabic that he is amazing in Quashing idiot Muslim callers and Jew haters

[@mephides8764]

LOL @45:22 pause it and think about the different levels of attentiveness.

[@chapelperilous9966]

+Mephides HAHA...I love people. Always pointing out a moment in time that we can all either relate to or laugh at!!

[@A09ias-3-fefsdfsdfj8sd]

+Mephides "Are spiders usually that big?"

[@kayzak5785]

+Mephides Oh this is great.

[@singularities6817]

+Mephides good catch!

[@oddment7]

+Mephides Haha! Perfect.

[@rohitbhushan7229]

Islam and tolerance are antonyms

[@justsendmelocation313]

Just like Hinduism and Animal Pisss are Synonyms...

[@iwastoldtherewaspie]

Can you imagine Sam Harris' poor wife. She must NEVER win an argument

[@jesseoreilly1792]

@Übermensch Oh, believe me, if they are married? Then there are arguments. LOL. If he's smart, he never tries too hard to outsmart her.

[@krispalermo8133]

There is only an " argument " if one person does not agree with the other's view point. So he mostly nods his head and just agree with her. "... hand wave..." There is no argument here. I will just move along here.

[@ADK117]

na his wife is smart as fuck too. That's probably why he was attracted to her

[@supercrazydesi]

I bet he did not marry someone who just argues to defend what she believes without logic.

[@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543]

except scam harris is a known liar who supports bibi's criminal ways whose mossad was linked to 9-11, lobbies use the left for marxism and right for conflict, theya re both disgusting and to be exposed.. scam harris supports judeo bigotry, they push atheism for moral vacum filled with marxism!

[@prithviprakash1110]

100-400 years from now when humanity has more less managed to phase out and solve this incredibly difficult problem, the world will owe a lot to an extremist turned thinker/intellectual named Maajid Nawaz who helped kick start one of the most important conversations in human history.

[@RAIRADIO]

Hopefully, but left wont let it happen. Every counter argument I have received it is from far left. Same old America, Islmamophobia, victim card, secularism, you cant vilify all dialogues. Every time the Muslims thinks, ya may be we should see how we can reform our society, leftists are like 'Hey look! ISLAMOPHOBIA!'

[@prithviprakash1110]

@@RAIRADIO, you are absolutely spot on here. This weak strawman argument of "Islamophobia" cuts across nations. The important thing is the real secularists who truly believe in individual liberty and a peaceful society have to hold our ground and continue to have honest conversations about this. Ironically the "regressive left" as Maajid names it is doing more to fuel Islamophobia/Muslimphobia by completely denying the problem, effectively empowering far right populism who denigrate and target Muslims as individuals.

[@maodijong3661]

Not a single Muslim on the panel...while repeatedly discussing Islam.

[@justinthomas6617]

The problem I have with personal "interpretation" is a purely metaphysical one. Out of all the major religions, Islam is clearly the most ambiguous. The Medinan verses juxtapose the Meccan ones; the Hadith is so large you could theologically justify whatever you want as a Muslim. The Qur'an is literally as useless as making a religion out of the various works of Plutarch. It's clearly man-made. It's a danger that reflects our own ego.

[@stephen42red27]

Justin Thomas it's actually the least ambitious. all other religious doctrines have been changed but Islamic doctrines have been preserved due to memorization and oral tradition. I've seen their interpretations, they have a scope of interpretations but their differences are actually minor but all are accepted in islam. imagine a disciple explaining each bible verse, how more clearer would the bible be? that is exactly what the Muslims have. the problem is people like majid doesn't follow that. it's actually him whose not following the scope of interpretation while the islamists do. however the islamists say that they aren't so bad and they are against terrorism and so on and the media wants to demonize them but majid says non they don't represent islam but the islamists say majid is just a liberal more so than a Muslim. so it's really not black and white but this is a complex issue. sometimes I feel if islam was more ambigious there would be less islamism but it's actually barely ambigious. the islamists are just practicing while the majid Muslims are not

[@lilgang9423]

its dumb people like you, u don't read the quran you don't practice it. and yet you are talking about it like you actually made the religion. if u don't practice it and you don't know every single ayat in the quran just stat out of any form of islamic debates or talkings. the quran is the words of allah SWT (god) and it was sent down to our beloved nabi (SA) and that is how the quran was developed. allah has made it clear on how to be a good muslim. there was prophets for a reason, they sent teachings to the world, the Prophets fought for allah. you don't know anything okay. get it through ur head. there is not only the quran we can learn from the prophet nabi (SA) told hadeeths to his companions. and one last thing if our beloved Quran isn't reliable then how is the bible reliable, how is the torah etc. just ues ur brain when it comes to these thing

[@lilgang9423]

if u actually read and practice the teachings of Allah you'll know

[@Vaijykone]

This is a very interesting conversation. I was very positively surprised by Maajid's arguments, mainly because i don't think i have seen any muslim be this logical before.

[@OrtegaSeason]

I promise you if Maajid came out as an atheist today it wouldn’t lose him any Muslim support at all.

[@sir_humpy]

I don't know about him. He seems too slick to be trusted all the way. Smooth talker, though.

[@Peter-dr9ch]

@@OrtegaSeason you underestimate fundamentalists.

[@abingl5891]

@@sir_humpy i got the same feeling

[@kira0080]

23:02 "Check their privilege" lol straight up nailed it. That whole segment was amazing to listen too.

[@aram7718]

He illegitamized their claim only on the basis that they were white and privileged. Instead of arguing rationally for why he is not an "uncle Tom", as he should have, he instead dismissed it because of the backgrounds of the accusers. This is fundementally wrong, the legitimacy of opinions are not dependent on the identity of their thinker.

[@xKoeix]

I think Maajid main aims is to reform Islam to adopt it's peaceful practices from it's doctrine, first and foremost is to promote the notion to Muslims the reformist movement of Islam by the following points 1. Reject the Policing and political correctness (PC) proliferating in the political circles and mainstream media to open such sensitive topics for critique and open discussions, that's the only way to be able to reach out to believers and practitioners of their faith and challenge their beliefs. 2. Recognizing, accepting and STOP Denying the unpopular texts that promotes corporeal, capital punishment and deaths to non-believers or believers that breaks the laws and teachings from the Qu'ran, and admit that they do exist and originate from the Holy Book of Qu'ran itself; 3. and that offensive Jihad are subjected to use by Islamic groups and Authorities in an attempt to re-establish and revive the Caliphate, and the Glories of the Ottoman empire (In History), often romanticize of it's power, influence and dominance in the world. However dogmatism of it's followers are also quite plainly prevalent and let's see from the verses below why: quran.com/ Surah 9:29 ﭽ ﭾ ﭿ ﮀ ﮁ ﮂ ﮃ ﮄ ﮅ ﮆ ﮇ ﮈ ﮉ ﮊ ﮋ ﮌ ﮍ ﮎ ﮏ ﮐ ﮑ ﮒ ﮓ ﮔ ﮕ ﮖ ﮗ ﮘ ﮙ ﮚ SAHIH INTERNATIONAL Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled. Qur'an 9:73 ﭑ ﭒ ﭓ ﭔ ﭕ ﭖ ﭗ ﭘﭙ ﭚ ﭛﭜ ﭝ ﭞ SAHIH INTERNATIONAL O Prophet, fight against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination. Qur'an 9:111 ﯖﯗ ﯘ ﯙ ﯚ ﯛ ﯜ ﯝ ﯞ ﯟ ﯠ ﯡﯢ ﯣ ﯤ ﯥ ﯦ ﯧ ﯨﯩ ﯪ ﯫ ﯬ ﯭ ﯮ ﯯ ﯰﯱ ﯲ ﯳ ﯴ ﯵ ﯶﯷ ﯸ ﯹ ﯺ ﯻ ﯼﯽ ﯾ ﯿ ﰀ ﰁ SAHIH INTERNATIONAL Indeed, Allah has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties [in exchange] for that they will have Paradise. They fight in the cause of Allah, so they kill and are killed. [It is] a true promise [binding] upon Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. And who is truer to his covenant than Allah ? So rejoice in your transaction which you have contracted. And it is that which is the great attainment. Qur'an 9:123 ﭑ ﭒ ﭓ ﭔ ﭕ ﭖ ﭗ ﭘ ﭙ ﭚ ﭛ ﭜﭝ ﭞ ﭟ ﭠ ﭡ ﭢ SAHIH INTERNATIONAL O you who have believed, fight those adjacent to you of the disbelievers and let them find in you harshness. And know that Allah is with the righteous. ﷽ Qur'an 47:35 ﮛ ﮜ ﮝ ﮞ ﮟ ﮠ ﮡ ﮢ ﮣ ﮤ ﮥ ﮦ ﮧ SAHIH INTERNATIONAL So do not weaken and call for peace while you are superior; and Allah is with you and will never deprive you of [the reward of] your deeds. ﷽ Qur'an 48:29 ﭑ ﭒ ﭓ ﭔﭕ ﭖ ﭗ ﭘ ﭙ ﭚ ﭛ ﭜﭝ ﭞ ﭟ ﭠ ﭡ ﭢ ﭣ ﭤ ﭥﭦ ﭧ ﭨ ﭩ ﭪ ﭫ ﭬﭭ ﭮ ﭯ ﭰ ﭱﭲ ﭳ ﭴ ﭵ ﭶ ﭷ ﭸ ﭹ ﭺ ﭻ ﭼ ﭽ ﭾ ﭿ ﮀ ﮁ ﮂﮃ ﮄ ﮅ ﮆ ﮇ ﮈ ﮉ ﮊ ﮋ ﮌ ﮍ SAHIH INTERNATIONAL Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah ; and those with him are forceful against the disbelievers, merciful among themselves. You see them bowing and prostrating [in prayer], seeking bounty from Allah and [His] pleasure. Their mark is on their faces from the trace of prostration. That is their description in the Torah. And their description in the Gospel is as a plant which produces its offshoots and strengthens them so they grow firm and stand upon their stalks, delighting the sowers - so that Allah may enrage by them the disbelievers. Allah has promised those who believe and do righteous deeds among them forgiveness and a great reward. sunnah.com/ كتاب الإيمان1The Book of Faith Sahih Muslim Book 1, Hadith 30 (8)باب الأَمْرِ بِقِتَالِ النَّاسِ حَتَّى يَقُولُوا لاَ إِلَهَ إِلاَّ اللَّهُ مُحَمَّدٌ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ (8)Chapter: The command to fight the people until they say "La ilaha illallah Muhammad Rasul-Allah", and establish Salat, and pay the Zakat, and believe in everything that the prophet (saws) brought. Whoever does that, his life and his wealth are protected except by its right, and his secrets are entrusted to Allah, the most high. Fighting those who withhold Zakat or other than that is one of the duties of Islam and the Iman should be concerned with the Laws of Islam وَحَدَّثَنَا أَبُو الطَّاهِرِ، وَحَرْمَلَةُ بْنُ يَحْيَى، وَأَحْمَدُ بْنُ عِيسَى، قَالَ أَحْمَدُ حَدَّثَنَا وَقَالَ الآخَرَانِ، أَخْبَرَنَا ابْنُ وَهْبٍ، قَالَ أَخْبَرَنِي يُونُسُ، عَنِ ابْنِ شِهَابٍ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنِي سَعِيدُ بْنُ الْمُسَيَّبِ، أَنَّ أَبَا هُرَيْرَةَ، أَخْبَرَهُ أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ ‏ "‏ أُمِرْتُ أَنْ أُقَاتِلَ النَّاسَ حَتَّى يَقُولُوا لاَ إِلَهَ إِلاَّ اللَّهُ فَمَنْ قَالَ لاَ إِلَهَ إِلاَّ اللَّهُ عَصَمَ مِنِّي مَالَهُ وَنَفْسَهُ إِلاَّ بِحَقِّهِ وَحِسَابُهُ عَلَى اللَّهِ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ It is reported on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah, and he who professed it was guaranteed the protection of his property and life on my behalf except for the right affairs rest with Allah. Regarding Apostacy, for those that belongs to the Islamic faith and wants to move out of change their religion, these are clearly written of the consequences: كتاب استتابة المرتدين والمعاندين وقتالهم88Apostates (2)Chapter: Al-Murtad and Al-Murtaddah(2)باب حُكْمِ الْمُرْتَدِّ وَالْمُرْتَدَّةِ Sahih al-Bukhari 6922, Book 88, Hadith 5 حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو النُّعْمَانِ، مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ الْفَضْلِ حَدَّثَنَا حَمَّادُ بْنُ زَيْدٍ، عَنْ أَيُّوبَ، عَنْ عِكْرِمَةَ، قَالَ أُتِيَ عَلِيٌّ رضى الله عنه ـ بِزَنَادِقَةٍ فَأَحْرَقَهُمْ فَبَلَغَ ذَلِكَ ابْنَ عَبَّاسٍ فَقَالَ لَوْ كُنْتُ أَنَا لَمْ أُحْرِقْهُمْ لِنَهْىِ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم وَلَقَتَلْتُهُمْ لِقَوْلِ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ "‏ مَنْ بَدَّلَ دِينَهُ فَاقْتُلُوهُ ‏"‏‏. Narrated `Ikrima: Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to `Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn `Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"

[@bellanoche6579]

More people like this Muslim speaker need to speak out.

[@kingluffy6994]

Their is not. He is not a true muslim

[@mashtali1]

Islam and Judaism are actually dying. With love from Iran

[@shwajtajrian8010]

True.. I am ex muslim from Bangladesh. M

[@ii-op1ic]

@@shwajtajrian8010 A lot of Bangladesh don't even know their religion properly. You've mixed culture with religion!

[@ahmedkhedr2631]

Bro, hate islam or like islam facts stay facts and Islam is the fastest growing religion at the moment.

[@najmaabdi6958]

@@ahmedkhedr2631 yes dear the islam hate they can't stop it proud to be muslim

[@maadhujovi9528]

@@ahmedkhedr2631 fastest breeding*

[@jakesevins5179]

Listening to Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan doesn't prove you're not a bigot (though I do not whatsoever believe Sam Harris is a bigot)... Maajid should stop using this as a basis for disproving allegations against Sam Harris. Imagine if I said, "Hey, I'm not a racist because I like Michael Jackson." So what... liking Michael Jackson doesn't mean you believe all blacks are equal to whites. It doesn't follow.

[@Foxtrotwilconiner1969]

Jake Sevins I like majid also and those two things he said were not the best points he brought up and it was a reflection or analogy to credit someone he looks up to

[@Tsnore]

Sam had a slight Pavlovian response to wine at around 38:32. Funny. Great dialogue by the way.

[@torpewtoonson7521]

Watched that again and fucking pissed my pants laughing..his brain was like "wine, wine, wine wine wine, *sluuurrp* wine, wiiiine, just wait, meditate.."

[@onlyweknow2]

The magic of Islam is how it makes non-believers surrender everything for security they will never know.

[@hakimhakim-do5lt]

They are talking about a topic, but have no representatives of that Topic, and atheist and a Hypocrite (Majid Nawas) Representing discussing religion which they don't understand or practice. how is this even a Debate?

[@hakimhakim-do5lt]

99 Percent Of Muslims Refute Majid Nawas who is Making living of Bashing Islam where he possible can just suites his Pockets, tell me otherwise which Muslim Accept him?

[@hannahwonderland6868]

I luv absolutely luv Majid. Hats off to him for what he has been through and came so far. Am Punjabi & English mix and i have been listening to him back from UK since i was introduced to one of his video. It takes a lot of guts and bravery to be who he is today and the fact is actions. Very articulate, sharp, grown mindset. Luv him

[@xavierbreath2227]

I wasn’t even aware of him until I caught him on LBC. I was instantly impressed.

[@mendax2014]

He owned this conversation

[@gratefulapostate3123]

I find it ironic that Majid complains of being a victim of what he percieved as "profiling" at a time in his life, when he openly admits that he was precisely the type of Muslim that the authorities were "profiling" for.

[@BlueStateSurvivalist]

Absolutely great. I'd like to read their book. I've criticized Maajid in the past but I really respect his commitment to free speech, to speaking with those who disagree, etc

[@ohedd]

I’d be interested to hear a brief overview of your particular critique of Maajid.

[@Foxtrotwilconiner1969]

Right Millennial I have found in many debates when people's ideas are shown to be not correct or challenged it can go two ways.1)If you don't have a really good reply or defence one starts to bring up the past or just embarrassment followed by bitterness.Thus shutting down dialog. Most important is the delivery of the critique that opens dialog 2)Who is best prepared to go to debate Reminds me of a debate I went to in my toastmasters class and we at the day of debate were informed that we were to take the opposite side and defend it . Goes to show you see both sides I hope this makes sense

[@radhegovinda8245]

Answer is deeprooted in following question - can you have this conversation in any Islamic country or Middle East?

[@laika5757]

Majjid and Harris are 2 of my heroes. God bless you both.

[@alee.809]

I’m a Muslim and I Love Sam. He’s so calm too ❤️

[@alee.809]

Bo Pik ok boss , as you dictate ❤️

[@alee.809]

Bo Pik if you are really interested in discussion this I’m more than happy to talk to you 🙂 aleehussain8 is my Insta.

[@alee.809]

Bo Pik ok

[@alnotbiggaytho7124]

@Bo Pik you're both truly lost

[@ms-zo3zb]

How is Sam so calm all the time.

[@SandeepKulshrestha]

He is a mindfulness practitioner

[@scipioafricanus5871]

People are Waking Up with Sam Harris that's why he seems so calm all the time.

[@burak1610]

as a turk from turkey, i can easily say sam harris has no idea what he is talking about. the other guy is knowledged about the problem. this could have never been a debate. sam harris enjoys sitting at the easy end of the rhetoric, where trivialization and simplistic approach will win him applauds. things dont work like that irl. nothing has ever been solved with his shallow and impressionist approach.

[@Anthony1uk]

Nothing will be solved until Islam is eradicated from the earth. There are certain ideologies like Marxism, Nazism, Communism and Islam that just need to be eradicated. A cult that teaches its followers that all none followers are lower than dogs and pigs (while saying Dogs and pigs are the worst/dirty creatures on earth) needs to be eradicated.

[@GingerAndZest]

So enjoyable listening to Maajid's intonation, persuasion, logic, and wit.

[@Peter-dr9ch]

@Check proofs of Islam in my playlists why is telling the truth “anti-Muslim”?

[@Kobe29261]

Honestly looking at Maajid, if I'm a radical Jihadist I want him dead, the guy is skilled, tough and sharp - I wouldn't want to lose a dude like that from any team I played on. He's a Navy Seal - he'd be a powerful weapon under anythings control! I'm thankful to Western Civilization that he's been rescued!

[@ycamara9034]

I agree he is sharp

[@ankushds7018]

At 28:13 is that Ayaan Hirsi Ali sitting?

[@redmatrixx]

Yes.

[@jeffreysegal2065]

25 minutes in and they haven't really started yet. The moderator is just now asking the first question.

[@Javaman92]

What an excellent talk. Thanks to everyone that brought this talk to the public.

[@Alun49]

A fascinating discussion. A little irritation though was that Juliette Kayymen made it clear for the audience to make brief and clear questions. Not one questioner did this and instead we had longwinded preambles to their questions. Having watched countless debates over the years, why is it that so few people grasp the appeal for brevity?

[@ThermaL-ty7bw]

''submitting'' ... isn't gonna lead to peace , just the fantasy OF it it's literally what the word means , islam = submit religions always tell people it's doing one thing , while behind your back it's doing the complete opposite , which is bringing down your own human value , so they can get your money , that's it ... nothing more , nothing less it's always about scamming people EVERY ''good thing'' people get from religions , ISN'T FROM religion , but from SECULAR HUMANITY UNDERLINING the religion , which can be achieved WITHOUT religion religion needs to DIE in a dark corner somewhere and just be forgotten , people should just take a secular approach to life and treat people like you want to be treated , no religion needed what so ever so , no need to kill people if they don't want to participate anymore , wear a veil around your head , wear a noose around your neck , suppress other people , stoning your children , no cutting of foreskins , no cutting of clitoris , no drowning people , no burning people alive , no chopping of hands and feet , i could go on like this for the rest of my life and still not be finished with all the lovely things religious people have come up with to HURT OTHER people ... and especially no ''thinking you're living in reality , when you're CLEARLY NOT'' fucking dumb ass horrible religious people need to go the way of the Dodo and just be wiped clear of the Earth , so the rest of us can heal this place and the people in it

[@SMELLSLIKETEENPSPRIT]

They make great points, and I largely agree with them. But the idea that Sam Harris isn't an anti-muslim bigot BECAUSE he listens to Sufi mystical music is ridiculous. Lots of Nazis listened to black jazz. Were they not racists? To be clear, I don't think Harris is a bigot. I largely agree with Maajid and Sam's analysis, but I disagree with their tactics regarding how best to reform Islam. For instance, their insistence that the POTUS identify and denounce Islamism rather than generic "extremist fundamentalism" is misguided. The people in the muslim community who need to be convinced are not going to respond to the apostate POTUS's calls for reforming Islam. This is true of any Western leader - they will be perceived as outsiders, and good-faith attempts to encourage reform of Islam will only be useful to violent Islamists who seek to portray the West as anti-muslim. Only people from within the Muslim community will have the requisite credibility to engage in this kind of critique of Islamist ideology.

[@KITM0USE]

Thanks for fixing the sound, I went through the agonizing faulty audio in the previous video... BUT didn't you know that you could have fixed the audio in the last video without taking it off? :) There's an option on KZbin to do it - right here in video management... :) Not one Harvard student knew this? :) Not one? :)

[@primeminister1040]

when they decide to talk about Judaism they'll bring a jewish expert, when they decide to talk about Christianity they'll bring a christian expert, when they decide to talk about Islam they'll bring anyone except a muslim.

[@udaysheorey1490]

The muslims behave as they do because they are are brainwashed and ordained to follow the tenets of the cult called islam. If we wish their behaviour to change for the better we must insist that all the hateful supremacist neo-political violence-inciting parts are expunged from the KSH (koran, sira, hadees).

[@ClayShentrup]

sam harris is obviously correct here. the data is overwhelming.

[@cindylouwhoot4893]

Not only saw the heads off journalist and aide workers but CHILDREN TOO!!

[@dejan.zivkovic.psiholog]

This was great. Great speakers, great moderator, and civil and intelligent audience. We need open conversation.

[@megamus3]

All you have to ask yourself is "how many islamic countries could you have this debate in"?.

[@gggggg-in3kq]

Bigotry is in defending Islam. If one says that all Nazists shate the Nazist ideology it is ok, but you are saying that it is not ok to say the same for Muslims?

[@Gamla123]

It was not the topic of discussion, but both speakers repeatedly pointed out the intolerance of regressive liberals. I was especially struck by how Maajid Nawaz is branded an "islamophobe" by white liberals. The great ideology that's been hijacked is not Islam. It's Liberalism. Very interesting and necessary discussion.

[@FTTLOMS]

Maajid actually complained about people judging him on factors other than his character and behavior and then in the next sentence judged them on factors other than their character and behavior. Namely their skin color is a reason for them to not speak. C'mon man!! And he doesn't help his case when he says he was being picked on for his political opinions in Egypt when in fact he was recruiting for a terrorist organization. I want to see more reformers like Maajid but he doesn't help his case with disproportionately playing a victim and saying what many will see as him trying to silence critics based upon pc culture.

[@princeofruins3287]

ayaan should've been up there...

[@siversteinshamn6777]

Constructive dialogue such as this is the oil in the machinery of society. Thank you for the great example this sets

[@bandygamy5898]

Amazingly constructive conversation, that itself is refreshing regardless of faith or lack therof.

[@harshgunnybear12345]

@Check proofs of Islam in my playlists Why obfuscate about Sam's thought's on free will? He calls it an illusion in the circumstantial sense - meaning every decision you make has actually been influenced by preceding causes and is not really an independent will that arose in that moment of time. A perfectly rational philosophical position. He does not advocate that since free will is an illusion, individual freedoms should be subverted. That is not what he is saying. Also, Sam has indeed beefed with apologists before.

[@billbooth1592]

Sam & Majid, You have good ideas I know, but why are you using such complicated language & high sounding concepts & confusing the audience rather than speak in plain spoken English?

[@riyadougla539]

Because they're intellectuals ;-)

[@thejamnasium6447]

"what's the problem with not being able to name a problem? well there's two problems here."

[@VitaliyKhomich]

Listening to Christian Prince is more informative about Islam than any of those debates

[@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543]

@Timbo lati you guys are liars, coward princess was exposed by Farid responds, he even was caught bringing fake Muslims on his shows knowingly who were christians, he has to lie because he knows judaism & christiantiy is wrong and Islam is the truth!

[@VitaliyKhomich]

@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 Farid was making up stuff about CP, typical for muslims, to defend the cult of islam anyway possible which is mostly lyingand deceiving, and cutting video out of context and farid got exposed for that, and after all this hiding like a mouse from debating CP. Makes up stupid excuse that he doesn't want to do online debate that saves him from CP. Every Muslim shaikh and imam is terrified of CP.

[@rockstararafinmoon3059]

Tell CP learn some Arabic . A child can read better Arabic them him or her . He already shows the true nature of christianity by hate preaching.

[@rockstararafinmoon3059]

@@VitaliyKhomich Tell CP I will debate him . CP: blah blah. CP is a pussy cat.

[@VitaliyKhomich]

@@rockstararafinmoon3059 be careful, don't leave islam. At least not on air

[@theyatter]

I've never heard anyone say "get rid of Muslims"... I have heard people ask why moderate Muslims don't stand up en masse and condemn those hateful and violent proponents from the same religion as theirs

[@anonamous6968]

At least 20 countries. most of them Islamic states, still have laws that prohibited apostasy. In these countries, it is a criminal offense for a person to abandon his faith to convert to a different religion or declare himself an atheist. In Iran, Pakistan, Somalia, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Qatar and Yemen, there are still laws that punish apostasy with capital punishment, although in many countries it is rarely applied. In some nations, the accused are offered a chance to repent and accept Islam rather than face death. Other punishments imposed for apostasy include imprisonment, flogging and fines.

[@phi.const.387]

Islam. Favorite and probably the most interesting subject in the world nowadays. I like these conversations. We need more intellectual debates and discussions about various topics. And why not Islam? :) It's just that i missed them talk about how do they define Islam in the first place, how do they view it, and what is their actual intellectual experience with Islamic knowledge, and desirably personal experience with Muslims and Islam. So many times the talk is negative, criticizing and the most important of all, it's partial and only scratching on the surface. Dear thinkers, discussions about important topics need to be more deep than this, if we actaually want to make them productive and solution oriented. I would have so many questions to ask these thinkers, and challenge some of their claims. They should continue with this. I would like to see the clash of Sam Harris with Tariq Ramadan, not about if Islam is religion of peace or not, but what is the best system of principles or the ideology for the world today. Having in mind all the problems in wrong interpretations of Islam, i still don't see any alternative to Islam. So it is no wonder why those who don't like it, are trying to fight it, and present it in a skewed way.

[@someoneelse293]

+A Human i either misunderstand, or you are religious. you ask, "what is the best system of principles or ideology for the world today?" then state that you, "don't see any alternative to islam." (???) the best practical system of living is one founded on reason and evidence, not prophets of division

[@yasserdarwish6609]

I hope that you ADD SUBTITLES (english) when you discuss something that Middle eastern should be concerned with.