Changes In the Book of Mormon Exposed by Earl Erskine

[@isthechurchtrue]

The Book of Mormon has thousands of deliberate changes made to it by the LDS Church since it was published in 1830. Lets compare that with the Bible which has endured thousands of years without changes. Isaiah 40: 8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever. Matthew 5: 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Luke 16: 17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail. Matthew 24: 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. Mark 13: 31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. Luke 21: 33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. 2 Peter 3: 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 2 Thessalonians 2: 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Revelation 21: 1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

[@isthechurchtrue]

@@SamAntone You just got done telling me that 1 Nephi 13: 28-29 says that the Bible was corrupted and is misleading. That contradicts the teachings of Jesus Christ that the word of God would never be lost. Your "great apostasy" never happened. It says so in the Bible. See: Isaiah 40: 8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever. Matthew 5: 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Luke 16: 17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail. Matthew 24: 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. Mark 13: 31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. Luke 21: 33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. 2 Peter 3: 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 2 Thessalonians 2: 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Gods word cant be lost. Joseph Smith lied to you. The Book of Mormon claims in 1 Nephi 13: 28-29 that the Bible was changed. The Book of Mormon is wrong.

[@isthechurchtrue]

@@SamAntone Matthew 5: 18 *For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled* . Every letter of the Bible will be preserved through all time until the end of the world in Revelation 21: 1

[@isthechurchtrue]

@@SamAntone Do you believe the Bible to be the word of God? If so then it cant be changed like the Book of Mormon says it was in 1 Nephi 13: 28-29. Ooops. Your scriptures contradict themselves again. What a shame. You follow false prophets.

[@QuillonFrostbane]

@@SamAntone why are you dishonest with your replies? Does lying help you validate what you know is wrong or does LDS require you to lie so that others can be deceived? Dishonesty and lying is a trait of the devil. Let's look at a few serious contradictions that Mormons truthfully can't say if the answer is YES or NO: _Did God create everything?_ *YES:* Jacob 4:9, 2 Nephi 2:14, 2 Nephi 2:13 *NO:* D&C 93:29 _Does God change his word?_ *NO:* Alma 41:8, D&C 20:17 *YES:* D&C 56:4,5 _Is God a spirit?_ *YES:* Alma 18:26-28; Alma 22:8-11; D&C 93:23 *NO:* D&C 130:22 _Can murder be forgiven?_ *YES:* 3 Nephi 30:2 *NO:* D&C 42:18 _Does God dwell in our heart?_ *YES:* Alma 34:36 *NO:* D&C 130:3 _Is polygamy permitted?_ *NO:* Jacob 1:15, Jacob 2:24, 3:5, Mosiah 11:2 *YES:* D&C 132:1, D&C 132:37

[@QuillonFrostbane]

@@44hawk28 if you think the Bible had been changed at all when numerous manuscripts copies all have the exact same written words then you are a cult idiot who inadvertently follows the lies of Satan through Joseph Smith instead of the final Word of God as Jesus. He is not the Logos that is made up garbage like Kolob and Heavenly mother or quakers on the moon.

[@jesusistheplanthereisnopla5547]

I was raised I was raised in the Mormon church I serve a two-year mission served in the church for years was married in the temple until I found out the church was untrue and deceptive initially I went through depression and rejected by family and friends but I was later introduced to a true relationship with Jesus Christ and since then my life has never felt more peace and joy and love and contentment John 14:6 www.Jesusistheplan.com

[@scooter1ism]

Yeah right.

[@jesusistheplanthereisnopla5547]

Scott Durden Good morning Scott thank you for commenting how do you say that? Out of curiosity

[@jesusistheplanthereisnopla5547]

Scott Durden Hey Scott good morning this is Byron are you a member of the church? What is your affiliation?

[@QuillonFrostbane]

@@jesusistheplanthereisnopla5547 good website. Thanks for sharing your history with the cult and finding the way out of it. It's amazing when those that were caught up in the hype and structure of this organization find the Jesus from the Bible, it results in a new peace that helps shape our walk with Him.

[@jesusistheplanthereisnopla5547]

@@QuillonFrostbane Amen my brother tell me a little bit about your story with the church

[@ldsmaverick7]

The last time I bore my testimony in Dec of 2009, i said that I knew the church was true because it felt right. As for your sunday school teacher, the FEELINGS we all had in the pre-Existence are not our first estate, it is our Spirit Bodies. We kept our Spirit Bodies by electing to come to this Earth. The Second Estate is our Mortal Bodies that we get when coming to this Earth. I was raised by a BYU Religion professor. I KNOW the doctrine. It was painful for me to walk away, but I did anyway.

[@Spaseebo]

Good move! I wish you more power now that you're free from that cult.

[@BIBLESTUDY101]

Last days warning! Jesus is coming. Repent from sin and be Born Again.... Come out of these fake churches and have a personal relationship with Jesus and walk as he would have you walk. Last days are now. Be ready!!!!!

[@isthechurchtrue]

"Everyone already knows about it." Most Mormons are not aware of their dubious history. The LDS Church is actively hiding its history & doctrines so that people do not find out about them. Earl Erskine didn't find out about these things until after he served as a Bishop. Shawn McCraney was a Mormon for 40 years until he realized that it was all a lie. If the general membership of the LDS Church knew about their true history then there wouldn't be much of a church left. Most members would resign

[@Spaseebo]

Yes... this is one of the major problems. I am continually astounded by the postings made on KZbin by Mormons saying "Oh no, we don't believe that!", when in fact it is precisely what their religion teaches and holds as doctrine. Many Mormons are not aware of these "hidden" beliefs.

[@gd8205]

2023 still very true

[@pickandgrinnin]

Hello I felt pretty neutral about LDS until the LDS Missionaries kept coming to my door even when I told them I was happy going to my church they still kept visiting.. They kept saying pray about it and read the book of Mormon. The more I read the more I was baffled by the things I found in there and the sorted church history (printing press, polyandry, seer stone in a hat, Glass looking, God Adam theory, failed predictions) and current policies (gays and women priesthood). Having many spirit babies sounds like hell not a special kind of heaven. I felt I needed to say something to the people of LDS. I do not trust the writings of Joseph Smith if he were a prophet today he would be held accountable and there would probably be no religion because its all based on that one mans word. I do adore the LDS people and how dedicated and caring they are for one another. I believe The Bible is true and translated correctly if it wasn't Jesus was a liar. Mathew 24:35 "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away". The book of Mormon is Alternate endings to an already perfect story. The bible should be the standard not the other way around. Sorry Mormons you should come join the dark side we have pie and coffee.

[@amberthurman9321]

stacy thomason next time they come to your door just don't open your door to them

[@Spaseebo]

We have the same problem with Jehovah's Witnesses; if they come again, we will make a formal harassment complaint to the police. Here's what Mormon missionairies will and will NOT tell you ! MORMON MISSIONARIES WILL TELL YOU THAT: > They agree with almost every belief you profess. > They are Christians, the Mormon Church is a Christian Church and that every church has some truth. > They never criticize other churches. > Their beliefs are all based on and compatible with the Bible. > God called a 14 year-old boy, Joseph Smith, to restore truths that had been lost to Christianity for around 1800 years. > God did this by appearing personally, along with his Son Jesus, to Joseph Smith, in "the First Vision". > God later sent an ancient warrior named Moroni (now an angel) to show Joseph where to find gold plates written in an ancient language that Joseph would translate into the Book of Mormon. > You can find out for yourself if the Book of Mormon is a true scripture and Joseph Smith is a true prophet by asking God in prayer if this is so. If you meet the necessary conditions (a sincere heart, real intent, and faith in Jesus) God will give you a revelation through some sort of subjective experience that confirms that everything they have told you is true. > This way of knowing something is true is supported by James 1:5 which says to ask God if you lack wisdom. > God has always spoken and will always speak through prophets, so we need a living prophet. > God built his church on the foundation of apostles and prophets (Ephesians 2:20) so the true church today should have modern day apostles as well. > Through special rituals (they call them ordinances) offered ONLY by the Mormon Church, families can be united (sealed) and expect to spend eternity together as a family unit. HOWEVER, IT IS EXTREMELY UNLIKELY MORMON MISSIONARIES WILL TELL YOU THAT: >> According to Mormon scripture all other churches are in ERROR, all other church creeds are an ABOMINATION to God and all those who profess belief in those creeds are corrupt. >> The Mormon Church is the ONLY true church on the face of the earth, all other churches are part of the great apostasy, and former Mormon leaders referred to other churches as “hatched in hell.” >> The main teachings of the Mormon church on topics like the nature of God and Jesus are radically and irreconcilably different from all other Christian churches and are contradicted repeatedly by clear statements from the Bible. >> Joseph Smith told many different versions of his first vision, making it bigger and better as he went along. >> Joseph Smith did not tell the current “official” version of the first vision until 18 years after the supposed event. >> Joseph Smith’s discovery and production of the Book of Mormon was rooted in his and his father’s superstitious and occultic practice of DIGGING FOR MONEY. >> Joseph Smith used his reputation and authority as a prophet to convince married women and girls as young as 15 and 16 to become his secret wives - he had up to 40 such "wives". >> The Mormon Church acknowledges Joseph Smith's polygamy (up to 40 wives) kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJTMkqmlj6Z2jrs >> The Book of Mormon has NO archaeological, geographical, linguistic, anthropological and biological support for its claims to be an ancient historical text like the Bible. >> God had sexual relations with Mary to make the body of Jesus. >> God is in the form of a man. >> The Book of Mormon contradicts both the Bible and other Mormon Scriptures. This could be why they want you to pray about it instead of investigating it carefully. >> The “test” to know if the Book of Mormon is true by “praying” about it, is a clever psychological trap. It is set up so if you do not get a subjective confirmation the Book of Mormon is true than the problem is your lack of faith, your lack of real intent or your insincere heart. With their test, there is no way the Book of Mormon can be proved wrong. >> The Mormon Church teaches as doctrine that its members will become GODS, ruling over new created worlds. >> The secret temple ceremonies so important to Mormon salvation have their origin in Masonic rituals which Joseph Smith and his brother Hyrum both learned before introducing their own temple ceremonies. There are MANY more doctrines and beliefs that Mormon missionaries will not tell you: some they may not even be aware of themselves! It truly pays to research, and the Internet has opened up the way. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJm8Xqh3mp2BecU #

[@garrisons0]

I invite all everyone everywhere to read the Book of Mormon, to ponder in their hearts the message it contains, and then to ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ if the book is true. Those who pursue this course and ask in faith will gain a testimony of its truth and divinity by the power of the Holy Ghost. Those who gain this divine witness from the Holy Spirit will also come to know by the same power that Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world, that Joseph Smith is His revelator and prophet in these last days, and that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the Lord’s kingdom once again established on the earth, preparatory to the Second Coming of the Messiah.

[@QuillonFrostbane]

@@garrisons0 you are guilty of the very part that @Spaseebo just posted that: >>> The “test” to know if the Book of Mormon is true by “praying” about it, is a clever psychological trap. It is set up so if you do not get a subjective confirmation the Book of Mormon is true than the problem is your lack of faith, your lack of real intent or your insincere heart. With their test, there is no way the Book of Mormon can be proved wrong. You are using this psychological trap instead of asking people to "investigate" the Book of Mormon instead so they can easily see that it contradicts the Bible and other Mormon documents: If the Book of Mormon is true, ........why does LDS teach that Heavenly Father and Mary conceived Jesus when Alma 7:10 says it was the Holy Spirit just like the Bible does in Luke 1:35 and Matthew 1:18 If the Book of Mormon is true, ........why does LDS teach that Heavenly Father is progressing which means changing and improving when Moroni 8:18 states that He is unchangeable? If the Book of Mormon is true, ........why does LDS teach multiple gods must exist when Alma 11:28-29 says there is only ONE God just like the Bible does in Isaiah 43:10, Isaiah 44:6 and Isaiah 44:8? If the Book of Mormon is true, ........why does D&C 42:18 say that murder can't be forgiven when 3 Nephi 30:2 says that it can? If the Book of Mormon is true, ........why does D&C 130:3 says that God can't dwell in the hearts of men but Alma 34:36 says the He can? If the Book of Mormon is true, ........why is there no mention of a restoration of the church when the Bible says in Matthew 16:18 that His Church (Jesus') will never be destroyed by any power not even the gates of hell? If the Book of Mormon is true, ........why don't Mormons believe in the Trinity when reading 2 Nephi 11:7 which explains that Jesus is God, the second person of the Trinity and our Creator, not our elder brother. Other verified verses of the Trinity include 2 Nephi 31:21 and 3 Nephi 11:27 If the Book of Mormon is true, why does LDS ignore what it teaches? _Jesus is MY temple recommend because Christ does not dwell in man-made buildings_ (Acts 17:24)

[@Palagiboi]

I can show u other wise

[@TheShodan92]

Oh dear, the mormon church is in a serious state of turmoil and trouble.

[@Spaseebo]

Yes; they have openly admitted that the annual increase in church membership is at its LOWEST rate since 1937. Thank God that the Internet is enabling more and more people to see for themselves the lies, the fraud, the deceit through the years that have constituted the LDS church.

[@Spaseebo]

For sure! THIS IS WHAT THE MORMONS BELIEVE AND TEACH ABOUT JESUS CHRIST (contrary to Christian teaching & beliefs): ✪ Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers and we were all born as siblings in heaven to them both, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163, Gospel Through the Ages, p. 15). ✪ Jesus' sacrifice was not able to cleanse us from all our sins, (murder and repeated adultery are exceptions), (Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, 1856, p. 247). ✪ "Therefore we know that both the Father and the Son are in form and stature perfect men; each of them possesses a tangible body . . . of flesh and bones," (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 38). ✪ "The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood--was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 8, p. 115). ✪ "Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers," (Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce McConkie, p. 547). ✪ "Christ Not Begotten of Holy Ghost . . . Christ was begotten of God. He was not born without the aid of Man, and that Man was God!" (Doctrines of Salvation, by Joseph Fielding Smith, 1954, 1:18). Please view this short video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p5S0pZuvnrl0bcU Thank you! #

[@Palagiboi]

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[@missrrjohnson9846]

Similarly, the finding of the Dead Sea Scrolls has shown that the earliest copies of the Old Testament are about 95% accurate, and that most of the errors are spelling or minor copying errors - there were no doctrinal differences in the study that was done of Isaiah.

[@all4jesus594]

Miss R.R. Johnson, the findings of the Dead Sea scrolls are not similar to the comments that are being made by Bishop Earskine. The Scrolls verify the Bible , the 1830 BOM disproves itself by the conflicts and large inconsistencies. 😒 Please research closer. utlm.org

[@LAMcMac]

I would challenge you to look into how carefully the scriptures were, and continue to be, translated. Considering the BOM has had anywhere from 2000-4000 changes (some doctrinal), and that there is not one shred of evidence that any of it is true, I'm surprised you believe it to be scripture over the Bible which can be backed up archeologically.

[@ulisscarple]

keep going, to get the MORmONS into their MORmON mode where the MORmONS trash the bible in a MORmON attempt to validate their stupid Book of MORmON !!!

[@shawnmcaraphy5973]

If the BOM is true then LDS is true and if LDS is true then LDS prophets are true and if LDS prophets are true then they are prophets of God and if the are prophets of God then by comparison they should be just as the prophets of the Holy Bible. Prophets of the Holy BIble are chosen by God. LDS prophets are voted in by the Quorum of 12 "men". Prophets of God could heal the sick and the blind, tell the future, interrupt dreams, part the Red Sea and make lighting come down from heaven. LDS prophets build malls with money from its members and sell underware. A far cry from the true prophets of God. Proved LDS prophets are FAKES. By their fruits you shall know them.

[@Spaseebo]

The prophecies of Joseph Smith? They did NOT come true! Check: mit.irr.org/failed-prophecies-of-joseph-smith kzbin.info/www/bejne/iKbdnpeqhZqJiKs Here are seven that failed: Prophecy # 1 - The Coming of the Lord Prophecy # 2 - David W. Patten to go on a mission Prophecy # 3 - The United States Government to be overthrown in a few years Prophecy # 4 - Congress to be broken up as a government Prophecy # 5 - Finding Treasure in Salem, Massachusetts Prophecy # 6 - Pestilence, Hail, Famine & Earthquake to Destroy the Wicked Prophecy # 7 - Temple to be Built in Zion, Missouri #

[@eunicebryan5410]

The Christian concept of the trinity, as taught in the Bible, is not that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are the same person, but that there is one triune God with 3 persons in one Godhead. They are all in perfect unity, but the Father is not the Son, and the Son is not the Father and the Holy Spirit is not the Father or the Son. The Term Elohim is a plural word meaning there are 3 distinct persons in one Godhead! Jesus is the only person of the Godhead that has a body of flesh and bones. Because he emptied himself of his eternal power and Godhead and took on the form of man when he was born of the Virgin Mary. He came to earth to die for the sins of the world. He now has a resurrected body that is immortal, like we will have at the resurrection! The Father does not have a body bit he is a spirit, as is the Holy Spirit.

[@lovinglife7211]

Very valuable video, making excellent points. We are told that the Book of Mormon was written and buried in the 400s AD. Joseph Smith reportedly discovered the plates in 1827, some 1,400 years later. The 1769 edition of the King James Bible, which Joseph Smith owned, contained some specific ERRORS that are UNIQUE to that edition. In other words, those particular errors occur ONLY in the 1769 Bible, nowhere else, so they are easy to identify. How, then, is it that various of those unique errors from the King James 1769 Bible appear in the Book of Mormon, which was written and buried some 1,300 years earlier? How is that possible? How could the writer of the Book of Mormon know what would be written in the 1769 King James Bible some 1,300 years later? The fact that those unique errors are in the Book of Mormon gives great weight to the suggestion that Joseph Smith himself wrote the Book of Mormon and copied material from his 1769 King James Bible. What other possible explanation is there? Refer to the Book of Mormon: 2 Nephi 19:1, 2 Nephi 21:3, 2 Nephi 16:2, 2 Nephi 23:21-22.

[@stevenhenderson9005]

How did they get in the Book of Mormon? Well because Joseph Spirit put them in there, that's how they got there.

[@Spaseebo]

When a Mormon says "I believe the Book of Mormon is true", I ask them WHICH BoM they are referring to? The original 1830 edition? A later 19th century printing? A 20th century edition? WHICH? I ask because there have been hundreds of TEXTUAL changes over the years, CHANGING the meaning of their scripture. They cannot believe in ALL editions of the BoM, so presents them with a major problem !

[@stevenhenderson9005]

That's a good one I am going to start using that, especially if my bishop asks me if I believe in it.

[@paul9156c]

They believe whatever their leadership tells them to believe. That is why the religious are referred to as sheep, and their leadership is the shepherd.

[@ldsmaverick7]

Ty Bo says "The Book of Mormon is fiction and a product of the imagination of a 23 year old man he compiled over the course of 6 years. And the only way back to God is by faith in Jesus Christ and looking to the cross for your salvation, and not the works of your own hands which the bible says are as filthy rags to God. The cross is where the great sacrifice of God occurred, not in Gethsemane. The cross is where it is finished. But mormons want to ignore the cross as a rope used to hang a man.

[@Spaseebo]

The Mormons claimed that Joseph Smith's power as a "seer" extended even beyond the earth. In February 1881 Oliver B. Huntington recorded the following in his journal: Inhabitants of the Moon are more of a uniform size than the inhabitants of the Earth, being about 6 feet in height. They dress very much like the quaker Style & are quite general in Style, or the one fashion of dress. They live to be very old; comeing [sic] generally, near a thousand years. #

[@icecreamladydriver1606]

That was Brigham Young not Joseph Smith.

[@Spaseebo]

Joseph Fielding Smith (who became the tenth President of the Mormon Church) wrote: "They tell us the Book of Mormon states that Jesus was begotten of the Holy Ghost. I challenge that statement. The Book of Mormon teaches no such thing! Neither does the Bible." (Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 1, p. 19.) He is wrong on both accounts! In the Book of Mormon, Alma 7:10 it states that Mary would "conceive by the power of the Holy Ghost." as is also stated in the Bible, Matthew 1:20. How could Joseph Fielding Smith make such an obvious, basic error? How could he be so ignorant? Very strange! He apparently had not read the Bible OR the Book of Mormon. #

[@gateway6827]

Matthew’s 16:18 “And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock, I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it." - The Catholic Church is still going 2000 years later, despite some bad Popes along the way. Who founded your church and When?

[@zz7007]

gateway well said!!!!!!

[@Spaseebo]

*** Joseph Smith's Diaries Discredit History *** Since we now know that more than sixty percent of Joseph Smith's History of the Church was not compiled until after his death, the question arises as to what sources Mormon historians used to create the purported history. We know that they used newspapers and journals of other Mormon leaders and that much of the material came only from memory. It was, of course, written in the first person to make it appear that Joseph Smith was the author. We have always felt that Joseph Smith's private diaries were used in preparing the history, but we were denied access to them. Finally, in August, 1976, we were able to examine microfilm copies of these diaries; therefore, we are able to make some preliminary observations concerning them. The first thing we notice is that there are large periods of Joseph Smith's life that are not covered by extant diaries unless the Mormon leaders are still suppressing some of his diaries. According to the information furnished in the Register of the Joseph Smith Collection in the Church Archives, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, only a small percentage of Joseph Smith's thirty-eight years are covered by his diaries. As we indicated earlier, at the time of Joseph Smith's death, his History of the Church had only been completed to August 5, 1838. Since Smith died in June, 1844, this left a period of almost six years which the Mormon historians had to fill in from Joseph Smith's diaries and other sources. Now, there are a few brief diaries from 1838 and 1839, but for the next three years there are no extant diaries. The last period of Joseph Smith's life, December 21, 1842 - June 22, 1844, is covered by four diaries. If there were other diaries they were either lost, destroyed or suppressed. However this may be, only three of the last six years of Joseph Smith's lifetime as it appears in the History of the Church can be checked against his diaries. Unfortunately, these diaries do not contain the important information that we would expect to find about Joseph Smith's life. Many pages are left blank or only contain information on the weather or other trivial matters. The value of the diaries decreases even more when we learn that a large part of the entries were not written in the first person, but rather by Joseph Smith's scribe Willard Richards. For instance, under the date October 20, 1843, we read this entry in Joseph Smith's diary: "heard that Joseph went to Ramus yesterday has not returned." In the Register of the Joseph Smith Collection, page 4, Jeffery O. Johnson admitted that "Joseph Smith himself kept very little in his own hand. Under Joseph's direction, for example, Willard Richards wrote many of the daily entries in the prophet's journal, relating experiences they both shared in many cases, but this was done in the words as well as in the hand of the clerk." Our brief examination of the diaries reveals that although they were used as one source for Joseph Smith's history, there was no attempt to follow them faithfully. Mormon leaders chose only the portions of the journals which served their purposes. For instance, in his diary Joseph Smith related a dream and its interpretation which tended to discredit his famous prophecy about the Civil War. This material was simply omitted in Joseph Smith's history. We will have more to say about this matter in the chapter on false prophecy. Another portion Mormon leaders omitted was the passage where Joseph Smith boasted of his great strength. Under the date of January 1, 1843, the following appears in Joseph Smith's diary: ... while supper was preparing Joseph related an anecdote while young his father had a fine large watch dog. which bit off an ear from David Stafford hog, which Stafford had turned into Smiths corn field. Stafford shot the dog, & with six other fellows pitched upon him unawares & Joseph whipped the whole of them, & escaped unhurt. which they swore to as recorded in Hurlburt or Howes Book While in Kirtland a Baptist Priest came in my house & abused my family-I turned him out of doors. he raised his cane to strike me & continued to abuse me. I whipped him till he begged.-he threatened to prosecute me-I sent Luke Johnson the constable after him & he run him out of the county into Mentor (Joseph Smith's Diary, January 1, 1843, pp.34-35). This portion was entirely omitted in Joseph Smith's history (see vol. 5, p.216). The early Mormon historians were not too sensitive about Joseph Smith's inability to observe the Word of Wisdom (see chapter 18). For example, in the first printing they included his statement about having "a glass of beer at Moessers." (As we have shown, it was later Mormon historians who deleted this from the History of the Church). Nevertheless, some material which related to Joseph Smith's attitude toward the Word of Wisdom never made it into the printed text. Under the date of January 20, 1843, the following was recorded in Joseph Smith's diary: "Elder Hyde told of the excellent white wine he drank in the east. Joseph prophesied in the name of the Lord-that he would drink wine with him in that country." These words were never placed in the printed History of the Church. Under the date of March 11, 1843, the following is recorded in Joseph Smith's Diary: "... in the office Joseph said he had tea with his breakfast. his wife asked him if [it] was good. he said if it was a little stronger he should like it better. when Mother Granger remarked, 'It is so strong, and good, I should think it would answer Both for drink and food.' " This was entirely omitted in the History of the Church (see vol. 5, p.302). The following statement appears in Joseph Smith's diary under the date of May 19, 1844: "eve I talked a long time in the bar Room ..." In the History of the Church, volume 6, page 398, this has been changed to read: "In the evening I talked to the brethren at my house ..." Our preliminary study of the diaries of Joseph Smith leads us to the conclusion that they were used as a source for the History of the Church. Unfortunately, however, there was no attempt to accurately follow the text of the diaries. Mormon leaders used only the parts that suited their purposes. Where a portion did not say what they wanted, they altered it or ignored it completely, sometimes using an entirely different source. The diaries of Joseph Smith, then, tend only to deal another heavy blow to the credibility of Joseph Smith's History of the Church. No wonder Mormon leaders suppressed these diaries for so long. #

[@ldsmaverick7]

I want to ask all Mormons out there why they don't use the Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible? You have excerpts from it in the footnotes of your church published King James Versions, but if Joseph was a prophet, and restored all the truths to the bible that were taken out and changed, then wouldn't that be much better than carrying around a corrupt version with only a few footnotes here and there to correct it? I have a copy of the Joseph Smith translation, and it is available to anyone.

[@isthechurchtrue]

No one has ever seen God the Father. Moses speaking "face to face" with God in Exodus 33:11 is figurative. If you continue reading Exodus 33 then you would come across Exodus 33:20 which says "And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live." God told Moses he couldn't see his face just 9 verses later. This shows how little Mormons understand the Bible and take verses out of context to teach false doctrine. 1 John 4:12 says "No man hath seen God at any time."

[@stevenhenderson9005]

There are a lot of people that have had a Near Death Experience a state that they saw God, so that can be easy to disputed by saying he was not in his earthly body but was transfigured and saw with his spiritual eyes.

[@isthechurchtrue]

@@stevenhenderson9005 you could say that but it would still contradict the statement in 1 John 4: 12 "no man hath seen God at any time." and in John 1: 18 "No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." John 6: 46-48 46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father. 47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. 48 I am that bread of life. Again the Bible clearly says that NOBODY has EVER Seen God the Father EXCEPT the Son Jesus Christ. Plus Joseph Smith's own revelation says in D&C 84: 20-22 that a person MUST FIRST RECEIVE the Ordinances and Priesthood of the LDS Gospel to see God's face and live. Joseph Smith's first vision account contradicts both the D&C and the Bible. So where in the scriptures does it define what "spiritual eyes" are? Where in the scriptures does it define what "transfigured" is? This is what Mormons do with their theology... They ignore what SCRIPTURE actually says (John 1: 18, 1 John 4: 12, John 6: 46-48, D&C 84: 20-22) and throw in jargon laced word salad words like "transfigured" and "spiritual eyes" to try to explain away their inconsistencies...

[@stevenhenderson9005]

@@isthechurchtrue Spiritual eyes I would say is like how you can see after this life without your physical eyes, or what people with Near Death Experiences explain seeing without their physical eyes. I don't know not seeing God can very well be debated because there seams to be just as many references of seeing God. (Exodus 33) where God said, “There shall no man see my face and live,” the Bible also says, “And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face as a man speaketh unto a friend. So here again this has to be dealing with a spiritual seeing of the face of God, and it is not contradictory.” It seams that there is some kind of spiritual seeing that can happen. It could also be that Joseph Smith is referencing that he is seeing the body of Christ in which we know he believes to be the father and the son as one at that time. I just had a CES teacher yesterday that was teaching the new come follow me lesson from the LDS church about Joseph Smith and now they are starting to teach that Joseph Smith didn't see word appear, but they were things just coming to his mind. When Oliver Cowdry was trying to translate and couldn't do it, Joseph said the Lord said "you thought I would give it to you", but he is stating that you must first study it up in your mind first and then ask me if it be right and if it be right I will cause that you bosom shall burn knowing it to be right. What Joseph Smith is referencing here is basically saying that Joseph Smith is revealing this information because he has had deep study (Bible, view of the hebrews, captain kid, folk magic, and others). In other words he is describing what comes to his imagination is what is coming from God. Well this would make since why we can't find all physical evidence of the people from the book of mormon and it would explain how the 17th century errors in the Bible are found in the book of mormon. He is explaining to Oliver that he has to study it out so that way he can use his imagination to tell the story. Basically this is the same thing you would do to create a fictional story using real landscape, just like Harry Potter. So I bet the next move is to say that the book of mormon is inspired writings from Joseph Smith. This is the same thing the RLDS church has done and is probably a reflection of what the church will do, because it looks like they are moving in that direction. The RLDS church has changed their name to the Community of Christ and has fully converted to typical Christianity teachings, but they still use the original book of mormon and D&C but they mostly teach from the Bible because they view the book of mormon as fictional stories inspired by Joseph Smith. President Uchtdorf said in his Oct 2013 General Conference talk that sometimes leaders of the LDS church have made mistakes because they are imperfect men. So in other words what he is saying is we can not always trust what the leaders in the LDS church to tell us is correct. (interesting)

[@isthechurchtrue]

@@stevenhenderson9005 I am sure Mormons would try to debate the topic. Their problem is that they cannot be consistent with their own scriptures (John 1: 18, 1 John 4: 12, John 6: 46-48, D&C 84: 20-22) that say only Jesus can see the Father and his job is to testify of him to the world and be the mediator between man and God the Father. 1 Timothy 2: 5 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;" I guess ignoring what the Bible actually says is kind of a tradition in Mormonism so they just brush that off completely without a second thought about it. The Biblical answer to the question is that Jesus Christ appeared to the patriarchs in the Old Testament. That is how they could see God in physical form. Joseph Smith on the other hand taught that God the Father has a physical body and that he physically appeared to him to show that. That is a problem because the Bible say NOBODY but he Son can see the Father. Joseph Smith's own writings say he needed the priesthood and ordinances to see the Father after claiming in his first vision to have seen the Father etc... And this strikes at the core of the problem with Mormonism... its all very speculative, self contradictory, changing from year to year, and untrustworthy... I agree that Joseph Smith's revelations were just Joseph Smith's fantasies. Joseph Smith had a very similar story to Muhammad. Both were upset with their religious community. They wanted to reform their religious community. God supposedly told them to do it. Both were trying to create their own religion according to their preferences.

[@isthechurchtrue]

@@stevenhenderson9005 The part that is figurative language is Moses talking to God "face to face" which is a figurative statement meaning intimately. If you read the entire chapter (Exodus 33) then you will see in Exodus 33: 18-23 that God said Moses cannot see his face but rather can only see his back side. Exodus 33: 18-23 18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory. 19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy. 20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. 21 And the Lord said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock: 22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by: 23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen. So one would have to ask themselves which member of the trinity has a back side for Moses to see. The only logical answer would be Jesus Christ.

[@binren3984]

Suggested Reading, No Man knows my History by Fawn Brodie It's very good and accurate read 5 stars

[@ldsmaverick7]

It is natural to leave when you see the church for what it really is. But don't think that is an easy thing to see. It means risking a lot of relationships with neighbors, friends, coworkers, even family. We know what the LDS think of those who leave, and so it is enticing to stay and act like you have a testimony of it. But that won't last long, especially when God has caused the dark scales to fall from your eyes and you see the church as it really is.

[@ldsmaverick7]

They will say the same thing about you when you leave the church. This man was a bishop, and a humble servant in the church for decades. He had his life heavily invested in the church. How more Mormon in heart do you want? And yet after learning what he knows now (but you don't I should point out) he decided it was better to throw away all that time and work and history he had invested over his life and start anew in a relationship with the Lord and not a church. Would you leave if God said to?

[@cc-mk2hp]

TyBo,l had to leave when l found out it was a fraud. I had to be true to the real Jesus Christ of the Holy Bible. Family still thinks l am apostate. I can do nothing to get through to them.💔

[@Questioner365]

Earl's testimony on Heart of the Matter were actually reported by concerned people to Earl's church leaders, as heresy, for which he was called in and disciplined.. (Book of John) The pharisees repeatedly ran to the leaders and reported Jesus' words and works, that Jesus did not obey the leaders and worship the temple and strictly worship and obey the commands of the church they had set up. This angered the leaders, and the high priest... Sound familiar?

[@isthechurchtrue]

That isn't even correct according to Mormon thinking. Doctrine & Covenants 8:2-3 "Yea, behold, I will tell you in your mind and in your heart, by the Holy Ghost, which shall come upon you and which shall dwell in your heart. Now, behold, this is the spirit of revelation; behold, this is the spirit by which Moses brought the children of Israel through the Red Sea on dry ground." Revelation must make sense in the mind & heart. Feelings that contradict common sense aren't revelations from God...

[@isthechurchtrue]

No, we don't leave our bodies. We worship in a spiritual manor. God the Father is a spirit so we must worship God in spirit as opposed to rituals like what Mormons perform in their Temples. Spiritual worship is done in the heart. It is a prayer, humility, thanks, love, peace... Acts 17:24-25 "...seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath..."

[@tinlizzie37]

In the first edition (1830), the face page also mentions the Trinity, that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, is the true God.

[@01artist]

The part at the end where they talk about the "White and Delightsom. Being changed to Pure and Delightsom I do not think it was talking about skin color but rather PURE like when Jesus was transformed on the mount, they said he was WHITE AS SNOW meaning PURE. So I am not a Mormon but I do understand what the original text meant and also why people would think it was racist. Changing it didn't take away from the text it just clarified it. No different than changing WHITE AS SNOW to PURE AS SNOW. See my point?

[@isthechurchtrue]

01artist The problem is that the context in which the term "white and delightsome" is used shows that is about their skin color. When the Book of Mormon describes Black skin as a curse then it implies that White skin is a blessing. Notice how 2 Nephi 5:21 and 23 says that they went from "white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome," to having a "skin of blackness to come upon them." That shows clearly that the term "white and delightsome" was about their skin color. The following passages show what the Book of Mormon says about people's skin color. 2 Nephi 5:21, 23 21 And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them. 23 And cursed shall be the seed of him that mixeth with their seed; for they shall be cursed even with the same cursing. And the Lord spake it, and it was done. 1 Nephi 11:13 13 And it came to pass that I looked and beheld the great city of Jerusalem, and also other cities. And I beheld the city of Nazareth; and in the city of Nazareth I beheld a virgin, and she was exceedingly fair and white. 1 Nephi 12:23 23 And it came to pass that I beheld, after they had dwindled in unbelief they became a dark, and loathsome, and a filthy people, full of idleness and all manner of abominations. 1 Nephi 13:15 15 And I beheld the Spirit of the Lord, that it was upon the Gentiles, and they did prosper and obtain the land for their inheritance; and I beheld that they were white, and exceedingly fair and beautiful, like unto my people before they were slain. 2 Nephi 30:6 6 And then shall they rejoice; for they shall know that it is a blessing unto them from the hand of God; and their scales of darkness shall begin to fall from their eyes; and many generations shall not pass away among them, save they shall be a pure and a delightsome people. 3 Nephi 2:14-16 14 And it came to pass that those Lamanites who had united with the Nephites were numbered among the Nephites; 15 And their curse was taken from them, and their skin became white like unto the Nephites; 16 And their young men and their daughters became exceedingly fair, and they were numbered among the Nephites, and were called Nephites. And thus ended the thirteenth year. Jacob 3:5, 8, 9 5 Behold, the Lamanites your brethren, whom ye hate because of their filthiness and the cursing which hath come upon their skins, are more righteous than you; for they have not forgotten the commandment of the Lord, which was given unto our father-that they should have save it were one wife, and concubines they should have none, and there should not be whoredoms committed among them. 8 O my brethren, I fear that unless ye shall repent of your sins that their skins will be whiter than yours, when ye shall be brought with them before the throne of God. 9 Wherefore, a commandment I give unto you, which is the word of God, that ye revile no more against them because of the darkness of their skins; neither shall ye revile against them because of their filthiness; but ye shall remember your own filthiness, and remember that their filthiness came because of their fathers. Alma 3:6-9, 14 6 And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob, and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men. 7 And their brethren sought to destroy them, therefore they were cursed; and the Lord God set a mark upon them, yea, upon Laman and Lemuel, and also the sons of Ishmael, and Ishmaelitish women. 8 And this was done that their seed might be distinguished from the seed of their brethren, that thereby the Lord God might preserve his people, that they might not mix and believe in incorrect traditions which would prove their destruction. 9 And it came to pass that whosoever did mingle his seed with that of the Lamanites did bring the same curse upon his seed. 14 Thus the word of God is fulfilled, for these are the words which he said to Nephi: Behold, the Lamanites have I cursed, and I will set a mark on them that they and their seed may be separated from thee and thy seed, from this time henceforth and forever, except they repent of their wickedness and turn to me that I may have mercy upon them. Mormon 5:15 15 And also that the seed of this people may more fully believe his gospel, which shall go forth unto them from the Gentiles; for this people shall be scattered, and shall become a dark, a filthy, and a loathsome people, beyond the description of that which ever hath been amongst us, yea, even that which hath been among the Lamanites, and this because of their unbelief and idolatry.

[@01artist]

Bill Barney I wasn't trying to make it black and white but that is what Brigham Young was doing. He personally thought blacks were no good as a people because they were slaves at that time. Joseph Smith didn't see anything wrong with blacks in the church doing temple works as long as they were born free or set free and could prove it. Brigham stopped that as soon as he became the LDS King so to speak. And to make it sound official he said it was a prophecy from GOD and ended it with a Thus Saith The Lord. It must have been from GOD if it has a Thus Saith The Lord at the end, Right?

[@01artist]

Bill Barney I'm sorry, I haven't been sleeping much in the last few days. . . .I understand you now. . . .Have a good one. . . .

[@thermionic1234567]

If this is God's word, we have no business changing it. The BoM's autographs do not exist and what Joseph Smith put down must be regarded as the autographs. And since they are written in understandable English, they must not be tampered with. Footnotes and glosses are fine...

[@stevenhenderson9005]

1835 is when the witnesses believed that Joseph Smith lost his ways.

[@cc-mk2hp]

Joseph was a fraud from the start. There are several accounts of the first vision.

[@stevenhenderson9005]

@@cc-mk2hp Thank you for your input, I personally like Joseph Smith so I will be a little bias. I don't really know if he was a fraud for sure or if his experience was something he was really experiencing due a mental illness, Peyote, Magic mushrooms, or even a spiritualism experience that was a trend that was happening at the time. However he does seam very sincere. I really don't have a problem with Joseph Smith or the Book of Mormon (as allegorical or spiritual text). Most of the churches that still exist today from Joseph Smith are mostly all tradional Christian, like the "Church of Christ" which is my favorite sect to come out of mormonism. The most damaging and dangerous is Brigham Youngs branch that formed the Church in Utah. The LDS Organization has been trying to clean up his teachings for years. After Joseph Smith died Brigham Young along with Richards, and Kimball spent countless hours changing the history of the church by adding and omitting Joseph's Journal entries, documents, doctrine, scripture. Deceptive practices like this have been going on for hundreds of years in the LDS organization and still goes on today. I know all about the first vision account where he had determined already that all the churches were not true befor he went in the woods to pray in concern for his own salvation. Even if we take all the other accounts and say that God told Joseph that none of the churches were correct then that would actually be correct. Christ said he loved the chuch so much that he gave his life for it. Are we really that weak and naive to thing that Jesus is talking about a church organization. We know he is talking about each one of us as an individual, we are the church. So if Joseph did ask which religious sects he should join or which one was right, then of course God would say none of them, because God's church is not in an organization. If God said he was going to restore the true and living church on earth, then obviously that wouldn't be another organization, but an awakening in the hearts of man. I am an active member of what I call a tribe of the LDS Organization and I appreciate other Christians that have helped me on my journey to understand. Thank you.

[@isthechurchtrue]

Your feelings don't prove the LDS Church is true. Many people from various religions feel that their religion is true and feel good attending their meetings. That doesn't prove that their belief system is true. Also people have plenty of good feelings about non religious things such as baseball... Does that prove that baseball is true? Is baseball from God? Your feelings are completely subjective and can easily deceive you. You seem to base your entire belief in the LDS Church on your feelings.

[@danite1742]

You are misunderstanding what truth is and the difference between spiritual truths and physical truths. This is something members of the church have a hard time understanding as we as non-members. Physical Truth = would be text written about a person place or thing that can be confirmed through physical evidence. Spiritual Truth = would be text written about a story, parable, or principle that can be confirmed through feelings that causes a desire for righteousness and closeness with God. Christians teach the Gospel of Jesus Christ (Death, Burial, Resurrection) and salvation through "GRACE". The LDS church teaches the Gospel of the Kingdom of God (Obedience to Laws) and salvation through "GRACE" + "Works". Don't assume that Christianity is correct and don't assume the LDS church is correct, but turn to the New Testament for the answers. Let me show you: The story of the Thief on the Cross is very revealing and helps us understand: Luke 23: 42-43 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise. Notes: It is obvious that the thief knows he is going somewhere different then Jesus, but he is hoping Jesus will remember him and possibly allow him to enter. Why doesn't he think he is going to the same place? Because he is a thief and transgressor and no unclean thing can enter the Kingdom of God. He doesn't feel his works of righteousness is up to par. The thief isn't asking for repentance for his crime but he is asking Jesus to remember him and the Jesus corrects him by saying Today I will be with you in Paradise. It's obvious that the thief isn't aware of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, because the Good News of His death, burial, and resurrection has not even been accomplished. So if the thief doesn't have a belief established of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and he is giving indication that he believes in a gospel that involves works of righteousness. Over 106 times in the New Testament it talks about Jesus Teaching the Gospel of the Kingdom of God, and this would makes sense why the thief mentioned The Kingdom, because obviously he has been listening to the teachings of Jesus to the people. So how is he going to paradise if he doesn't believe or understand the Gospel of Jesus Christ? Because that wasn't the gospel jesus taught. Adam introduced sin into the world causing everyone to be unworthy to enter the Kingdom of Heaven for God can not look upon sith with the least degree of allowence. However, God so loved the entire world that he gave his only begotten son Jesus Christ (Second Adam) as a sacrifice to take upon him the sins of the world. So Adam brought death and Christ brought life and saved us all, so that all will be clean and pure in Gods eyes which allows us to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. (No repentance need, No works, just a pure act of GRACE) However even though we are clean to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, we are responsible for our Glory which is our Inheritance and is what glorifies the Father. The effects of sin still have an impact on our Glory. When we sin we lose Glory and when we repent and are obedient to the principles and ordinances of the Gospel of the Kingdom of God then we gain Glory. This is why it is important to let your light so shine before men that they may see your good works and glorify you Father in Heaven. Jesus Christ taught the Gospel of the Kingdom of God and he passed that on for his apostles to continue teaching his Gospel. Now that you understand that the LDS church puts it's focus on the Gospel of the Kingdom of God then you can better understand the scriptures when it pertains to the Kingdom of Heaven. Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it. When we sin and live a life of unrightousness then it leads to the destruction of our Glory and the Glory to our Father, and it is hard to live a life of righteousness and sacrifice of the things of the world and keep our eye single to the Glory of God and his righteousness. - The LDS church teaches and assist with living a life of sacrifice and righteousness while teaching the Gospel of the Kingdom of God and your Glory with the Father. 2012 was the next great awakening that should bring you to an understanding that the LDS church is not designed for physical Truths but only spiritual truths. However it is not the only church that teaches the Gospel of the Kingdom of God, so do your research on what "Feels" the most comfortable for you and will help you progress the most. Niw

[@isthechurchtrue]

@@danite1742 Actually the thief on the cross story shows that the LDS teach a false Gospel of works required for salvation. The thief was nailed to a cross and could not work to get into paradise. The only thing the thief did was believe that Jesus was Lord and Jesus responded to him that he would be with him in paradise that same day. So actually your example debunks your church and false teaching...

[@danite1742]

@@isthechurchtrue So you think you know Mormonism better then I do? Ok, then let's test your knowledge and if you can answer this correctly then you win the debate. So here is a scenario: A man by the name of Tom died and while on earth performed no works of righteousness, didn't ever join any church organization, and didn't really hold a belief in God. According to Mormonism where do mormons believe Tom will end up? A) Kingdom of Heaven (degree of glory) B) Outer Darkness of Hell

[@danite1742]

@@isthechurchtrue The thief on cross story shows that people can have wrong theory and understanding of the Gospel of the Kingdom of God that Jesus taught and still go to paradise. The Gospel of the Kingdom of God that Jesus taught is all about works. Christians have changed the gospel to fit their own narrative and make claims that can't even be supported. Most christian teach that only people that believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ (Death, Burial, and resurrection) without works will be saved. You guys also molest the scripture of the wide gate and broad way to mean that only a few will make to heaven, which is all false and holds no support at all. This teaching would put the Thief on the cross in Hell, because it's obvious the thief on the cross doesn't hold a belief in your gospel of Jesus Christ (death, burial, and resurrection) and you would have also condemned him to hell for having a belief that his works were going to send him to a different place then Jesus. However it's because Christ said "Today, I will be with you in Paradise" is the reason you teaching has no backing. You limit the very atonement of Christ and the power it gave to save all of humanity and forgives everyone, for they know not what they do. It was Adam that opened the gate to Hell and it was through the blood of Christ that the gate to Hell was closed shut and sealed, undoing the damage that was caused. 1 Corinthians 15:12 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. The sacrifice and suffering of Christ was a gift of GRACE to all humanity, and all Christ ask that you do to Glorify him through your works of righteousness. Mathew 5:15 Even so, let your light shine before men; that they may see your good works, and. glorify your Father who is in heaven. The 5-Heavenly Crowns of Glory are your reward for your good works of righteousness which is not physically crowns, but is symbolic to your Glory you obtain in the Kingdom of Heaven for your works here on earth. Christ also asks you to continue to teach his Gospel and what gospel did Christ teach? Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God. -Faith -Repentance -Baptism -Following the Holy Ghost -Keep his commandments -Live a life of righteousness This is NOT for salvation from hell but salvation from losing your glory which glorifies the father and is your awards in heaven to obtain the GLORY of the Father who is in you. When you sin Christ takes that sin upon him for a forgiveness of your sin and making you pure and clean in the eyes of God, however this doesn't take away the effect sin has on your souls glory in the Kingdom of Heaven. Through the grace of Christ and his blood atonement you can repent of your sin and live a life of righteousness for a remission of your sin which allows you to regain any glory that you may have lost. Stop focusing on a gospel of salvation from Hell which Christ overcame through grace and start focusing on the gospel of salvation from losing GLORY which Christ taught as was achieved and awarded through WORKS of righteousness and obedience to his commandments. (NOT WORKS FOR SALVATION FROM HELL) We know that it is by grace that we are saved (from losing our glory) after all we can do. (In righteousness to gain our glory). Mormons article of faith: (3) We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved (from losing our glory), by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel. (Of the Kingdom of God) - Faith -Baptism for remission of sin -Following the gift of the Holy Ghost

[@isthechurchtrue]

@@danite1742 I am not interested in your tests. There is just one Gospel. Your Gospel is a false Gospel made up by Joseph Smith. Read Galatians 1: 6-7 about how false teachers like yourself always try to pervert the truth and mislead people. I am not interested in that.

[@ldsmaverick7]

The LDS told me that maybe God used Evolution to create the world. Totally logical. The only thing about the LDS that isn't explained logically is why they don't use the entire Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible, they only use excerpts in the footnotes. The complete book is published by the RLDS church, so why would the LDS cling to the old corrupted KJV instead of reading ALL the plain and precious truths that Joseph restored that were lost for so long? I won't be returning anytime soon.

[@Spaseebo]

Undoubtedly the LDS church is deeply embarrassed over the JS bible because he inserted himself into Genesis and Isaiah ! What a bad joke.

[@kevinj5738]

Joe you call shows and give the same old reason. The “church” is world wide and fruitful. It’s all bad fruit.

[@BotchedInvestigation]

Haha 😂 i just posted something about Joe as well. I did not see your post just now. Joe is a fool!

[@LaurenVHamill]

That is such a good point! We never read in the scriptures that they are one in "purpose." I've always thought it was weird that are taught this in the church when there is no scriptural evidence for it. There are not three gods who are one in purpose. There is ONE GOD. Great video!

[@ldsmaverick7]

I used to be happily deceived by what I had been taught in the LDS church. But some things didn't feel right. I don't know of any other group in the world that plays the silly games that the LDS do. Games like telling other people little bits of seemingly apostate information, and then laughing at it to show how strong your testimony is. Because it looks really cool to other LDS to know the real last words of J.S., but not be phased in your beliefs. And the game of "if I wasn't LDS I would..."

[@BotchedInvestigation]

This caller Joe also called in to HEART OF THE MATTER saying the same thing. I thought Shawn Mccraney ripped him a new one but Doris performed precise surgery on this fool Joe. Joe's tactics and stubbornness remains the same.!

[@Mountainman1971]

Have any of you stopped to consider why, if God's word is so important, is it so hard to understand? If there were a true gospel we were all suppose to adhear to, why all the BS? Religion, period, is all mind manipulation to keep you in fear/control. Simply look at the statement "God fearing Christian". And what about God's wrath? A holy book that incites wars and hatred over the real meanings? How can you take yourself seriously arguing over this? How can someone ask, if you tell me not to be a mormon what the heck am I gonna do?? This makes me understand why the world is such a mess. I do believe we are on a precipice of something big however, because it matters not what I believe, but what those in control believe. Namaste.

[@isthechurchtrue]

Natalie McBride What you are saying is an argument from ignorance fallacy. Just because something is hard to understand doesn't mean that it is false. For example: calculus is hard to understand and most people don't understand it but that doesn't mean that it is untrue. Just because you don't understand the scriptures doesn't mean that they are false.

[@Mountainman1971]

I am sorry if I mislead you, I did not mean to imply that it was false because it was difficult. I am not wanting an argument, I am not saying it is true or not true. I am still enjoying my journey studying different ideas. It just seems in a case like this...it's just a thought.

[@calvaryapologetics]

because you dont have the Holy Spirit and you dont WANT it to be true.

[@ethanhoward9327]

The Bible is hard for you to understand? I think that's more of a poor reflection upon you than it is of scripture.

[@isthechurchtrue]

You simply assumed that it is from the Holy Ghost just as the followers of Warren Jeffs assume that their feelings are spiritual witnesses that Warren Jeffs is a prophet of God. Your feelings don't prove anything. The real test of the truthfulness of the word of God is described in Acts 17:11. It says, "These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so." It is called study.

[@deehee7380]

President Spencer W. Kimball commented on the relationship of Lucifer to Jesus: The importance of not accommodating temptation in the least degree is underlined by the Savior's example. Did not he recognize the danger when he was on the mountain with his fallen brother, Lucifer, being sorely tempted by that master tempter?

[@deehee7380]

Apostle John A. Widtsoe explained: The story of Lucifer is the most terrible example of such apostasy. ... He pitted his own plan and will against the purposes of God. He strove to gain the birthright of his Elder Brother, Jesus the Christ. When his proposition was rejected, he forsook all that he had gained,

[@isthechurchtrue]

You simply don't understand the Bible. Acts 7:56 is not talking about a literal right hand. It is a figure of speech. To say that Christ is at the right hand of God is to say that Christ is God's right hand man. It does not mean that God the Father has a physical body. John 14:9 clearly says that if we have seen Jesus Christ then we have seen God the Father. Christ asks why they ask to see the Father when they can see Christ! That disproves your point! God the Father is manifest through the Son

[@LAMcMac]

If the Bible has been translated incorrectly why do you feel you can trust James 1:5. The idea that the Bible has been translated incorrectly it's something the LDS spits out.

[@joesmith5302]

First, a disclaimer: I only watched your video through the initial 13 1/2 minutes, since I noticed that it seemed you were simply listing example after similar example supporting your initial - legitimate - finding that Jos. Smith had originally said in 1832 that God the Father had a spiritual body and not a 'tabernacle' (tangible) body But all you seem to have of substance here is that particular, clear contradiction. The rest of your objections seem to all fall into the category of JS' inconsistent, here and there, clarifications in the BofM of the same Trinitarian confusion that has existed for 2000 years. John in his NT chapter 17 tried to clarify the concept of the 'oneness' of God and Jesus. Therein Jesus prays to the Father that the earthly disciples that Jesus has assembled might be 'one' with the two of Them, as He and the Father are 'one'. What better way could this be logically understood by mere mortals such as us, except as 'one in purpose' as per this unique, simple Mormon enhancement? I think it should be welcomed by Christians as a valuable contribution to understanding the Trinity! Also consider the familiar passage in Genesis: "they twain shall become 'one' flesh". Most Christians flippantly write this phrase off as a euphemism for the act of sexual intercourse. But I think the LDS have a much more meaningful interpretation, it being that a husband and wife, over course of time, should experience a merging of their minds and hearts, or become 'one in purpose' - which is what John 17 is also apparently trying to express. Lastly the female interviewer's objection about the denial by Amulek in BofM of the existence of 'many gods' in the Zeezrom exchange is also easily explained via the Mormon concept of 'Keys of Authority'. Amulek's response was thereby correct in regard to this world, as only the Creator of this world pertains to this world, and any other gods would pertain to their own worlds. The LDS may be wrong, but they're not the stupid fools that mainline Christians like to portray them.

[@isthechurchtrue]

The problem is that they dont read the Bible carefully and just dont listen to what Christians say to them. John is actually very clear that Jesus isnt just 1 in purpose with the Father but is actually the same God as the Father. Read the following verses: John 1: 1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1: 18 "No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." John 14: 10-11 "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake." John 3: 34 "For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him." Colossians 2: 9 "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."

[@isthechurchtrue]

Also the Bible makes it clear that there is just 1 God... ☆John 17: 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. ★Deuteronomy 6: 4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord : ☆Mark 12: 29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord ★Deuteronomy 32: 39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me : I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand. ☆Isaiah 43: 10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me ★Isaiah 44: 8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any ☆Isaiah 46: 9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else ; I am God, and there is none like me , ★2 Samuel 7: 22 Wherefore thou art great, O Lord God: for there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee , according to all that we have heard with our ears. ☆James 2: 19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well : the devils also believe, and tremble. ★Mark 10: 18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God ☆Malachi 2: 10 Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us ? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers? ★Mark 12: 32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God ; and there is none other but he: ☆Romans 3: 30 Seeing it is one God , which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. ★1 Corinthians 8: 6 But to us there is but one God , the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. ☆Ephesians 4: 6 One God and Father of all , who is above all, and through all, and in you all. ★1 Timothy 2: 5 For there is one God , and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

[@joesmith5302]

@@isthechurchtrue Unfortunately, your listing all these Bible verses here does not clarify the confusion about the Trinity that has existed for the last 2000 years since they were first written. All I'm saying is that the Mormons have added a simple phrase of clarification which helps the average perons's understanding of the 3 in 1 concept.

[@isthechurchtrue]

@@joesmith5302 The fault is clearly with yourself as those verses are completely clear.

[@isthechurchtrue]

@@joesmith5302 You just proved my point. Like I just said "The problem is that they dont read the Bible carefully and just dont listen to what Christians say to them."

[@TreasureBoxStories]

Now that you believe Jesus is also the Father, then you must now believe he was praying to himself in all the references in the Bible where he is addressing the Father. How do you explain that? I don't know why they made those changes in The Book Of Mormon, but it doesn't make sense that Jesus and the father are the same. THEY ARE SEPARATE BEINGS, Otherwise Christ prays to himself.

[@isthechurchtrue]

John 1: 1 - 3 answers that question! 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

[@deehee7380]

President Spencer W. Kimball also wrote: Similarly Satan had contended for the subservience of Moses. Satan, also a son of God, had rebelled and had been cast out of heaven and not permitted an earthly body as had his brother Jehovah. Much depended upon the outcome of this spectacular duel. Could Lucifer control and dominate this prophet Moses, who had learned so much directly from his Lord? (Faith Precedes the Miracle, p. 87)

[@Mary9beth]

Oh I don’t believe in the book of Mormon and I feel like the Bible has so many changes in it from people with an agenda that a lot of it has lost it’s true meaning, That being said I believe Christ had a simple message for all of us and that is to love one another and serve one another. There is no separation and no devil. We judge ourselves and we are never lost as we are all part of the body of God. We will never be perfect no matter what we will be flawed but if we can accomplish those two things we’re all fine. It’s just simple message that a three-year-old could understand.

[@leef_me8112]

>I feel like the Bible has so many changes in it from people with an agenda that a lot of it has lost it’s true meaning, If the bible has lost it's true meaning, how can you "believe Christ had a simple message ..." ?? "There is no separation and no devil. We judge ourselves and we are never lost as we are all part of the body of God. We will never be perfect no matter what we will be flawed but if we can accomplish those two things we’re all fine. It’s just simple message that a three-year-old could understand." You sound like the picture of an ostrich that buries its head in the ground. > It’s just simple message that a three-year-old could understand. The message is simple, Jesus death and resurrection paid for your sin.

[@isthechurchtrue]

Those quotes prove how little you understand of the Bible. Try reading them in the context of the book that they appear in. Exodus 33:20 says that Moses didn't see the Lord's face so Exodus 33:11 must be taken figuratively. John 14:9 says that if a person has seen Jesus Christ then they have seen the Father because Christ is God's revelation. John 1:18 clearly says that God the Father is revealed through the son & no one has seen the Father directly. In Acts 7:56 "The Right Hand" is figurative.

[@pickandgrinnin]

isthechurchtrue that is what I thought. God the father is too bright to see.

[@joeletecatkoss6261]

Makes you wonder why joseph smith said black people were denied the priesthood because of the mark of cain i can see the logic in that after all was adam and eve black if they were then we would all be black don't you think so

[@isthechurchtrue]

Earl Erskine hosts the Ex Mormon Files www.youtube.com/@exmormonfiles/videos

[@ldsmaverick7]

It tells us in the bible that Jesus appeared to many people after he was resurrected, but that doesn't mean that all us Christians take our beliefs from the Nicean Creed. Isn't the bible enough? Why is it that you think we have to be told by a council of men hundreds of years ago what to believe about God? Mormons like to throw that whole Nicean Creed argument around like it exposes the Christian folly. But they like to ignore their own folly of following what 1 man said God is over the bible.

[@ldsmaverick7]

So, Mr. Holmes, I have no doubt that your feelings are sincere, but I also know that the heart is corrupt, and yet the LDS church insists on people relying on the feelings of the heart to find truth. The D&C says I will tell you in your mind and in your heart, but that was written by Joseph Smith. All that you learn in the church comes from one man. So I wondered what other people who weren't in the church thought of Joseph Smith at the time. And the evidence was heavier on their side than his.

[@livefreedieswithOO]

All religions are cults if you really want to compare that way. I do not follow a religion . I am a believer . I follow the 10 commandments and look forward to meeting my maker on JUDGEMENT day.

[@isthechurchtrue]

Somehow you believe that your feelings on the matter are infallible. What about the FLDS who feel that Warren Jeffs is a prophet of God? They believe that the Holy Ghost is leading them. What about people who feel that Joseph Smith wasn't a true prophet of God? Do you believe what the Bible says? 1 John 4:1 "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world." How did you test that spirit to see if it is of God?

[@redcurrantart]

The caller questioning "Where are these people supposed to go?" if the church isn't true, is interesting. So because you personally believe all else if falsehood, then just stay in the church even if it is false because it's a better false than the other false churches?????? The logic (or lack there of) regarding this statement is mind boggling. To answer the question of where people go, however.... you end up having to redefine yourself and what is true for you. What feeds you spiritually. For some it IS Traditional Christianity, and for some it's not. If something feeds your soul and brings you closer to God, then that is something of value. For some it's Mormonism. For some it might be Catholicism, or perhaps Buddhism, or to practice a Muslim faith. I would take it a step father however and state that if you take the same sceptical approach to many religions, including Christianity as a whole, like they did regarding Mormonism here.... you come to similar issues. Details of the birth of Jesus alone are full of holes including that there was no census in the year of Jesus' birth, Joseph would not have had to force very pregnant Mary to come with him to said Census (it was only the Male head of the household who would have been required to make the report) AND people did not have to return to their ancestral homes to take the census... like today, it's was done where you live, Judea was not actually part of Rome at this point so why would a Roman edict apply, and the list goes on and on from there throughout the full "History" of Jesus per the teachings of the Bible. Though I find videos like this very intriguing, even informative.... the biggest issue is that while you are punching holes in another person's beliefs, you do so waving the flag of "My beliefs are more correct and grounded in reality." The fact is, No, actually they aren't. It falls short to research and condemn the beliefs of the Mormons, when you are not willing to do the same with Christian history and Doctrine. Like with the caller, the commentators in this video fall into the same issue of "My False is better than your False, and don't tell me it's false because I don't want to hear it." However.... it doesn't change facts or evidence to the contrary.

[@ethanhoward9327]

The supposed issues you bring up with the census in Luke have been refuted numerous times and only something like the internet could perpetuate such ill-founded objections to the Biblical narrative. I’d encourage you to educate yourself concerning such matters before you speak on them. God bless.

[@MrMemyselfandi415]

I think that deserves an AMEN! It's true. People have NO idea how much mormons are taught to keep their heads down and follow the leader. They're taught never to question the church and never look outside the small amount of information shown to them by it. Heck, I was raised mormon and I didn't even KNOW Jesus died for my sins until I was....like in my 20's. No lie! If I heard it, the idea was skipped over, or overshadowed by prayer, good works, family etc. But not the blood of Jesus.

[@TreasureBoxStories]

You must not have been paying attention. I was certainly taught from a very early age that Jesus died for me.

[@evenbet9603]

​@@TreasureBoxStoriesThat's ridiculous--that he would forget--unless it was mentioned only as an aside to all the good work Joseph Smith did between and during his marriages.

[@willowbythewater1]

It means one in Spirit and mind. When you're married, the person marrying you says you will become one. You're splitting hairs. I don't know why. I feel sorry for you for speaking out against what you know to be what you know kn your heart of hearts to be the truth. May God bless you as you see fit... And you know that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, IS a Christian church. The Father, The Son, And the Holy Ghost are The Godhead. He loves you. God IS God, ALL Glory goes to HIM.

[@ldsmaverick7]

The prophet is Jesus. If you believed in the bible, you'd read Hebrews 1:1-2 and know that Amos was talking about the prophets of the Old Testament, and not eternal principles. The parable of the lord of the vineyard illustrates this. He sent his servants first, and then his son, and then he didn't send anyone else. So the prophet we look to today is the living Christ, not a boy from New York who was a glass-looker and had a habit of changing his story over time. Want to ask our prophet? Pray.

[@isthechurchtrue]

"Just curious, can people see the resurrected Christ, and live." God the Father is spirit and can't been seen. Jesus Christ has a body that can be seen and touched. After Christ was resurrected some of his disciples mistook him for a spirit. Christ responded that a spirit doesn't have a body and invited them to touch him to prove he wasn't just a spirit but had a body also. Read: Luke 24:37-40.

[@stevenhenderson9005]

While growing up in the LDS Church I was taught the Joseph Smith after his vision found himself laying on his back. This was indicating that the vision happened outside his physical body, which would be very similar to a near death experience.

[@BotchedInvestigation]

Joe the caller is nuts 🥜

[@tonydardi332]

He’s the same guy that called into the Heart of the Matter with Shawn McCraney. The guy is delusional... Shawn went round and round with him.

[@ldsmaverick7]

And that is one of the reasons I left the church, because they have an answer for everything. There are no mysteries, or wonders. Everything has a logical explanation that makes perfect sense in the Mormon church. If that works for you, then have at it. I personally believe in a God that is much more complex and impossible to define and understand than we can with our finite human minds. So the church doesn't work for me anymore, because I don't think I should be able to wrap my mind around God.

[@Spaseebo]

THIS IS WHAT THE MORMONS BELIEVE AND TEACH ABOUT JESUS CHRIST (contrary to Christian teaching & beliefs): ✪ Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers and we were all born as siblings in heaven to them both, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163, Gospel Through the Ages, p. 15). ✪ Jesus' sacrifice was not able to cleanse us from all our sins, (murder and repeated adultery are exceptions), (Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, 1856, p. 247). ✪ "Therefore we know that both the Father and the Son are in form and stature perfect men; each of them possesses a tangible body . . . of flesh and bones," (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 38). ✪ "The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood--was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 8, p. 115). ✪ "Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers," (Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce McConkie, p. 547). ✪ "Christ Not Begotten of Holy Ghost . . . Christ was begotten of God. He was not born without the aid of Man, and that Man was God!" (Doctrines of Salvation, by Joseph Fielding Smith, 1954, 1:18). Please view this short video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p5S0pZuvnrl0bcU Thank you! #

[@jamesstaplesv1250]

actually the Lectures on Faith WAS the Doctrine portion of the D&C

[@anthonyvickers5986]

Why did Jesus Christ pray to the Father if they are one??

[@51cheeseman]

Anthony Vickers Because he became a man,aJewish man. If he hadn’t prayed he would have been committing sin and he wouldn’t have been a perfect sacrifice. This is one of the reasons.

[@alfredvickers4054]

Because God is a Trinity. Three persons, one God. The three are all eternal (no beginning and no end), of one essence, of one will. The Son and Spirit eternally come from the Father (the Son is begotten of the Father, the Spirit proceeds from the Father). So Jesus says, "The Father is greater than I," and prays to Him. Three persons in one Godhead can be confusing, and is certainly beyond our limited and sinful minds to fully comprehend, but this revelation is throughout Scripture. Even in the Old Testament, the Spirit of the Lord is mentioned multiple times, and the Angel of the Lord is sent by God, yet also claims to be God. It is clear when taking the Old Testament and New Testament Scriptures as a whole that there is only one God, that there are three divine persons, and that these three are distinct from one another. Such as when Jesus says that He will pray to the Father to send another in His stead after He leaves, and that other is the Holy Spirit. These interactions don't make sense unless there is a Trinity.

[@Thenwowillfail13]

Joseph smith was lead to the seeing stones by a angel of light And no marvel; for satan himself is transformed into an angel of light 2 CORINTHIANS 11:14

[@ldsmaverick7]

We believe that through the atonement of Christ all mankind MAY be saved by (here is where christians put grace, but the LDS put) OBEDIENCE to the laws and ordinances of the gospel. Did you bother to learn them or just recite them by rote memory? It says you are saved by your obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel, not by the grace of God. Obedience to laws and ordinances is works, not faith in Christ or His Grace.

[@calvaryapologetics]

Changes in the Book of Mormon, the most correctED book in the world! 1 Nephi 1830: Behold, the virgin whom thou seest is the mother of God. Now: Behold, the virgin whom thou seest is the mother of the Son God. 11:18 1830: Behold, the Lamb of God, yea, even the Eternal Father! Now: Behold, the Lamb of God, yea, even the Son of the Eternal Father! 11:21 1830: yea, the everlasting God was judged of the world Now: yea, the Son of the everlasting God was judged of the world 11:32 1830: and Jesus Christ, which is the Lamb of God Now: and the Messiah, which is the Lamb of God 12:18 (This was changed to avoid contradicting 2 Nephi 10:3, which first reveals to Nephi the name of Christ.) 1830: ...the Lamb of God is the Eternal Father... Now: ...the Lamb of God is the son of the Eternal Father... 13:40 1830: ...and are come forth out of the waters of Judah, which swear by the name of the Lord... Now: ...are come forth out of the waters of Judah, or out of the waters of baptism, who swear by the name of the Lord...20:1 2 Nephi First appearance of the word "Christ" in the modern BoM. "Christ" appeared earlier (1 Nephi 12:18) in the 1 830 edition, but was changed to "Messiah" to avoid contradicting this verse. 10:3 1830: seraphims Now: seraphim The 1830 edition copied the KJV error in the plural of seraph. 16:2, 6 1830: Wo me! Now: Wo is unto me! 16:5 The omitted italicized word "is" was later corrected. 1830: Here I; send me. Now: Here I am; send me. 16:8 The omitted italicized word "am" was later corrected. 1830: ...they shall be a white and delightsome people... Now: ...they shall be a pure and delightsome people.... 30:6 "White" was changed to "delightsome" to try to soften the obvious racism of this prophecy. Mosiah 1830 version: "...that king Benjamin had a gift from God..." Now: "...that king Mosiah had a gift from God..." 21:28 Since King Benjamin was dead at the time, this change was needed to avoid the obvious error. Alma 1830: ... the Son of the only begotten of the Father ... Now: ... the only begotten of the Father ... 5:48 1830: cherubims (as in the King James Version) Now: cherubim 12:21 (Cheribims is the incorrect plural of cherub.) On page 546 of the first edition of the Book of Mormon we read as follows: "... for this cause did king Benjamin keep them ... " In the 1964 edition, Ether 4:1, we read: "... for this cause did king Mosiah keep them ... " A change has been made in the First Book of Nephi, evidently in an attempt to strengthen the Mormon claim that baptism was practiced by the people in the Old Testament. This verse is taken from Isaiah 48, and appears as follows in the 1830 edition of the Book of Mormon: "Hearken and hear this, O house of Jacob, which are called by the name of Israel, and are come forth out of the waters of Judah, which swear by the name of the Lord ... " (Book of Mormon, 1830 edition, page 52) In modern editions it reads as follows: "Hearken and hear this, O house of Jacob, who are called by the name of Israel, and are come forth out of the waters of Judah, or out of the waters of baptism, who swear by the name of the Lord ... " (Book of Mormon, 1964 edition, 1 Nephi 20:1) It is interesting to note that even the signed statement by the eight witnesses to the Book of Mormon has been altered. In the 1830 edition (last page) it read: "... that Joseph Smith, Jr. the Author and Proprietor of this work, has shewn unto us the plates ... " In the 1964 edition it reads: "... That Joseph Smith, Jun., the Translator of this work, has shown unto us the plates ... " In the first edition, page 87, this statement appears: "... the mean man boweth down ..." In the 1964 edition (2 Nephi 12:9) this has been changed to read: "... the mean man boweth not down ... "

[@calvaryapologetics]

In the first edition of the Book of Mormon, page 31, the following appears: "…neither will the Lord God suffer that the Gentiles shall forever remain in that state of awful woundedness…" In the 1964 edition (1 Nephi 13:32) this has been changed to read: "Neither will the Lord God suffer that the Gentiles shall forever remain in that awful state of blindness…" On page 214 of the first edition this statement appears: "My soul was wrecked with eternal torment ..." In the 1964 edition (Mosiah 27:29) this has been changed to read: "My soul was racked with eternal torment ..." On page 379 of the first edition this statement appears: "Now the Nephites were guarded in the city of Gid; therefore Moroni caused that Laman and a small number of men which was appointed to go with him." This sentence is incomplete in the first edition; however, in the 1964 edition (Alma 55:7) it was changed to read as follows: "Now the Nephites were guarded in the city of Gid; therefore Moroni appointed Laman and caused that a small number of men should go with him." On page 351 of the first edition we read: "And when Moroni had said these words, he went forth among the people, waving the rent of his garment in the air, that all might see the writing which he had wrote upon the rent, and crying with a loud voice ..." In the 1964 edition (Alma 46:19) this has been changed to read as follows: "And when Moroni had said these words, he went forth among the people, waving the rent part of his garment in the air, that all might see the writing which he had written upon the rent part, crying with a loud voice ..." On page 353 of the first edition this statement appeared: "... the cause of diseases which was subsequent to man, by the nature of the climate." In the 1964 reprint (Alma 46:40) this has been changed to read: "... the cause of diseases, to which men were subject, by the nature of the climate-" On page 382 of the first edition this statement appears: "... for behold, his army had been reduced by the Lamanites because of the numerority of their forces having slain a vast number of our men ..." In the 1964 reprint (Alma 56:10) this was changed to read: "... for behold, his army had been reduced by the Lamanites because their forces had slain a vast number of our men ...." On page 342 of the first edition we find the following: "... took the remainder part of his army and marched ..." In the 1964 reprint (Alma 43:25) this has been changed to read: "... took the remaining part of his army and marched ..." On page 501 of the first edition this statement appears: "... for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more." In the 1964 reprint (3 Nephi 22:4) nine words have been added: "... for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more." On page 305 of the first edition we find the following: "But behold, it is the effects of a phrensied mind ... " In the 1964 reprint (Alma 30:16) this has been changed to read: "But behold, it is the effect of a frenzied mind ... " On page 236 of the first edition the following statement appeared: "... I know that Jesus Christ shall come; yea the Son of the only begotten of the Father ..." In the 1964 reprint (Alma 5:48) the word of has been deleted: "... I know that Jesus Christ shall come, yea, the Son, the Only begotten of the Father ... "

[@calvaryapologetics]

On page 555 of the first edition this statement appears: "... his sons and to his daughters, which were not, or which did not seek his destruction." In the 1964 edition (Ether 9:2) this has been changed to read: "... his sons and to his daughters who did not seek his destruction." On page 538 of the first edition this statement appeared: "... and also that none other people knoweth our language; and because that none other people knoweth our language, therefore he hath prepared means for the interpretation thereof." In the 1964 reprint (Mormon 9:34) nine words have been deleted: "... and also that none other people knoweth our language; therefore he hath prepared means for the interpretation thereof." On page 203 of the first edition we find the following: "... none were consecrated except it were just men." In the 1964 reprint (Mosiah 23:17) this has been changed to read: "... none were consecrated except they were just men." On page 475 of the first edition the following appears: "... because they testified particular concerning us, which is the remnant of their seed... . And those things which testifies of us, are they not written ..." In the 1964 reprint (3 Nephi 11:16, 17) this has been changed to read: "... because they testified particularly concerning us, who are the remnant of their seed.... And these things which testify of us, are they not written..." On page 541 of the first edition we find the following: "... and not continue in your iniquities until the fulness be come ..." In the 1964 reprint (Ether 2:11) this has been changed to read: "... and not continue in your iniquities until the fulness come ..." On page 233 of the first edition we find this statement: "... he awaked them out of a deep sleep ..." In the 1964 edition (Alma 5:7) this has been changed to read: "... he awakened them out of a deep sleep ..." On page 272 of the first edition we find the following: "... and thus we will reserve the flocks unto the king ..." In the 1964 edition (Alma 17:31) this has been changed to read: "... and thus we will preserve the flocks unto the king ..." On page 272 of the first edition this statement appears: "... and they were not in number a very few ..." In the 1964 edition (Alma 17:34) this has been changed to read: "... and they were in number not a few." On page 277 of the first edition we find the following: "... and the light of everlasting light was lit up in his soul ..." In the 1964 reprint (Alma 19:6) this has been changed to read: "... and that the light of everlasting life was lit up in his soul ..." On page 406 of the first edition this statement appears: "... they were drowned up in the depths of the sea." In the 1964 edition (Alma 63:8) this has been changed to read: "... they were drowned in the depths of the sea." On page 382 of the first edition we read as follows: "... therefore it supposeth me that I tell you ..." In the 1964 edition (Alma 56:5) this has been changed to read: "Therefore it sufficeth me that I tell you ..."

[@adamgoodword7888]

I love that! The most correctED book. :D Brilliant! Well done! I will use that in my preaching too. God bless and praise to the Lord!

[@spiritualselfsustainment3150]

Your attempt at disproving the Book of Mormon with these comments fails. You clearly do not understand how translating any document works. Nor do you understand how the translation of the Book of Mormon went.

[@rmandbd2]

Joseph smiths views changed when he became a free mason

[@robinshortt984]

Don't forget to mention all the changes in the bible. What about the apocryphal in the original kjv of bible.

[@QuillonFrostbane]

The actual text of the Bible (original Greek/Hebrew) has not changed. Changes of what to include in the Bible has no impact on the actual text that is read. B/M has physical text changes including the famous WHITE changed to PURE to eliminate the racism even though much of the B/M still has racist concepts as many original Mormons including Brigham Young were very racist people.

[@mbforex]

The Father is greater than I.....................all might remember this statement of our Mashiach . Yes...Father and Son one but not in the sense of the same......as you can see also from "he inherits a name".......he came to teach , show and live the father's commands.......He made the father known ...he made the name of the father known...nobody comes to the father other than through him as the gate....on the cross he would have appealed to himself if Father and Son are one and the same......but he gives up HIS Spirit to the Father.....and so on.....

[@MrSparkyBarney]

Joseph Smith testified that he placed a stone imbued with the Holy spirit in a hat. That he held the hat over gold plates given him by angels. He then placed his face over the bottom of the hat so all light was blocked from the stone. He then read each letter out loud to Oliver Cauldry who wrote done the letters. If Oliver did not transcribe correctly the letter would not change. This is Josephs testimony of how the Book of Mormon came to being. Why did it need over 4000 changes afterwards

[@danieljohnseppings9044]

Daniel Seppings says “The Book of Mormon is true and the only way back to God is found in these scriptures”

[@christlainjohnsongandou7298]

well it is sad and understable how people are confused about the godhead i was myself until i ask god and understood yes indeed jesus is God yes because he is the son of God he is God Do an humaine can give to birth a pig? second question to all of why did jesus establish the church on hearth if it wasn t necessary and just simply believe that is christ is enouth to be saved ? why did he say to the women that commetted adultary go and sin no more? and what is sin without knowledge? then yes GOd is spirit simply because he his spirit is in controle of his beauty making the desire of his spirit above his physical need what make him immortal and eternal we are according our body composition suggest to flesh influence that is why we are called mortal or carnal so if that can help understand this gospel principal that is great if not you have your free agency

[@ldsmaverick7]

To be fair, what the church teaches is that when we have feelings like that it is us remembering things we learned in the Pre-Mortal Existence, and that's why it resonates with us. As I thought about your comment today, I came to the conclusion that this might have been what you were trying to say all along. I know I'm not going to convince you any different, so I want to apologize if I've caused you any grief with my comments. The LDS church is very logical. There is an answer for everything.

[@mckster56]

Be amazing if the profit ( lol) just turned the whole show around to the true and living Christ

[@Exodus--bx3dd]

God is 2 persons one Spirit...Father Son Holy Ghost.....the Son received the title upon his birth ...before creation...thats right..he was born of God , not created, begat of God , the only Son God begat...this occurred before creation of our universe..before Genisis 1...he , the Son is the Firstborn heir of God , and God commanded the Angels to worship Him..therefore showing that the Son is the same in Spirit as God...so God said let us create man in our image after our likeness so the Son created Man in their image Male and Female from the same lump of clay...the Male first...showing God was first then out of the man came the woman ...so also the Son came out of God ...as the man and women share the same flesh and are one ...so the Father and the Son share the same Spirit and are One ..therefore the Hebrew word Elohim is plural and says ,Yehovah your Gods are One Lord

[@jameswines6752]

Jesus said he came in his father name ( So what is the father name ( Jesus) Because Jesus name is ( Jehovah) he is the only GOD man has ever dealt with Period, He was the GOD Adam hid from in the garden of Eden he was the GOD Moses saw

[@cedwardmassey]

Is it really hard 4 Earl Erskine 2 give nothing more than semantics? I'd like 2 get something out of this th@ has substance... And there's nothing substantial for the first 12 minutes of this.

[@GeLsEnKiRcHeN95]

Dum ta dum dee dah dum.... Joseph Smith was called a prophet dum dum dum dum dumb!

[@grandpaje4734]

Mormons don't believe in "traditional" Jesus Christ based on the philosophy of man, the philosophy of trinity as the result of Incarnation doctrines. Philosophy of Incarnation The most widely accepted definitions of the incarnation and the nature of Jesus were made by the First Council of Nicaea in 325, the Council of Ephesus in 431, and the Council of Chalcedon in 451. These councils declared that Jesus was both fully God: begotten from, but not created by the Father; and fully man: taking His flesh and human nature from the Virgin Mary. These two natures, human and divine, were hypostatically united into the one personhood of Jesus Christ. The truth: The Gospel of Christ is Not the philosophy from Hinduism or Greek Mythology. This philosophy of man is called "other gospel" by Paul in Galatians 1:1-12. 12 *"For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ."* In 1820, Joseph Smith indeed saw the Father and Jesus Christ, not by interpretations but he did saw the Father and the Son. Even though he didn't have the priesthood yet. It's the same case with Paul when the Lord appeared to Saul, he did not any priesthood. (Act 9) Let's read following scriptures How you can understand the scriptures by the revelation of Jesus Christ: 19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day stararise in your hearts: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.(2 Peter 1 KJV) 2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: 3 How that by revelation he made knownunto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; (Eph 3 KJV) 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; (Eph 4 KJV) You see how apostles and prophet will receive the revelation from Jesus Christ in anything concerning his words. Of course, His words are purpect, Jesus Christ is perfect, but not his prophets and apostles. Do you expecting them to be perfect? Then what the atonement of Christ for? Moroni prophecy on Joseph Smith Jr.: “He called me by name, and said unto me that he was a messenger sent from the presence of God to me, and that his name was Moroni; that God had a work for me to do; and that my name should be had for good and evil among all nations, kindreds, and tongues, or that it should be both good and evil spoken of among all people." You are fulfilling this prophecy

[@QuillonFrostbane]

If we believe Joseph saw Jesus Christ, then the Bible lied to us. Let's review the text from scripture.... Two angels spoke to the people who had just witnessed Jesus being taken bodily back into heaven. They said, _“Men of Galilee, why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen Him go into heaven”_ (Acts 1:10-11). Zechariah 14:4 says that when Jesus returns his “feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem.” Matthew 24:30 says _“all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.”_ Revelation 1:7 says _“Look, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all peoples on earth will mourn because of Him. So shall it be! Amen.”_ Why would Joe lie and contradict the Bible? How could He be the only one to see Jesus if scripture tells us that "every eye will see Him"?? We can't have some "exception" or else the Bible has an error in it.

[@willowbythewater1]

*know in your heart of hearts.

[@Palagiboi]

Bra u try to hard

[@lurenacornella6588]

THANK GOD FOR THE TRUTH

[@ldsmaverick7]

The church is very logical. In fact I would say it is too logical. There is an explanation for everything in mormonism. I will respectfully leave you to your testimony, and I will say that whereas I once felt that certain feeling by attending the LDS church, after I sought for truth, and found it, I no longer felt that feeling until I left it. And after I left it, I realized that I cannot comprehend how great God truly is. I actually take more comfort knowing He is greater than I thought he was.

[@Spaseebo]

The LDS church is logical ???

[@eb-ur5wk]

Love this! I thought the same thing.

[@jamesmccluskey9175]

With known changes to The Book Of Mormon; I'm still inspired to read this marvelous book of splender. It gives me great pleasure to pull, from it, the gospel truths found with in side the pages of thus book. It inspires me to become a better individual and all around person indeed... By way of the Holy Spirit.

[@QuillonFrostbane]

@James Mcclushkey then you have been deceived as the Bible provides that and more. Why deny the Bible in your study? The biggest lie is that LDS believes the Book of Mormon is true. If the Book of Mormon is true, ........why does LDS teach that Heavenly Father and Mary conceived Jesus when Alma 7:10 says it was the Holy Spirit just like the Bible does in Luke 1:35 and Matthew 1:18 If the Book of Mormon is true, ........why does LDS teach that Heavenly Father is progressing which means changing and improving when Moroni 8:18 states that He is unchangeable? If the Book of Mormon is true, ........why does LDS teach multiple gods must exist when Alma 11:28-29 says there is only ONE God just like the Bible does in Isaiah 43:10, Isaiah 44:6 and Isaiah 44:8? If the Book of Mormon is true, ........why does D&C 42:18 say that murder can't be forgiven when 3 Nephi 30:2 says that it can? If the Book of Mormon is true, ........why does D&C 130:3 says that God can't dwell in the hearts of men but Alma 34:36 says the He can? If the Book of Mormon is true, ........why is there no mention of a restoration of the church when the Bible says in Matthew 16:18 that His Church (Jesus') will never be destroyed by any power not even the gates of hell? If the Book of Mormon is true, ........why don't Mormons believe in the Trinity when reading 2 Nephi 11:7 which explains that Jesus is God, the second person of the Trinity and our Creator, not our elder brother. Other verified verses of the Trinity include 2 Nephi 31:21 and 3 Nephi 11:27 If the Book of Mormon is true, why does LDS ignore what it teaches? _Jesus is MY temple recommend because Christ does not dwell in man-made buildings_ (Acts 17:24)

[@3thingsfishing427]

It's not "gospel truth", it's a fantasy story that was dictated to Oliver Cowdery. Please stop repeating your church's talking points verbatim.

[@eb-ur5wk]

No man has seen God? Then how did Moses speak face to face with God? Of course Moses saw God!

[@mckster56]

God bless

[@terrycarleson6371]

Great

[@danite1742]

That's because revelation is progressive and it changes as we gain more knowledge and understanding we receive new revelation.

[@jeremyjohnson4106]

Faulty view to justify man made theology and to deny the Bible and its truth. Which is complete in revelation

[@danite1742]

@@jeremyjohnson4106 Oh maybe I don't completely understand I thought religion, revelation, and teachings have always changed since the beginning of time, am I wrong on that? Example: "if you rape a virgin, pay the father 50 shackles of silver and mary her for the rest of your life." "Show your good works" "Don't show your good works" "The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband" "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." "Thou shalt not kill" "And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee:" What does the bible say about Homosexuality and gay marriage? According to the is it ok to live polygamy? According to the Bible was the thief on the cross saved even though he didn't believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ (Death, Burial, and Resurrection)? Did the thief on the cross repent of his sins because he said "Lord remember me when you enter your Kingdom" What Gospel did the thief on the cross understand that Jesus was teaching in his ministry to make him ask Jesus to remember him in his Kingdom? Please point out a scripture that shows Jesus was teaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ (death, burial, resurrection)

[@isthechurchtrue]

@@danite1742 The Gospel does not change. Neither does the Bible 1 Peter 1: 25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

[@danite1742]

@@isthechurchtrue Nope "the word of God" and teachings have always changed and always will.

[@isthechurchtrue]

@@danite1742 Thanks for showing to the world how inconsistent Mormonism is and how you actually believe that God is constantly changing his mind and doctrine in completely incoherent ways. People wouldn't believe it until a Mormon like yourself said it.