How was The Book of Mormon ACTUALLY translated? The clues to its authenticity with Mike Day.

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Here are the links of what I was talking about in the video regarding the historical sources citing that Joseph used BOTH a seer stone AND other historical sources citing that he used the U&T as well as a BOM translation timeline:
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Joseph used a seer stone to translate: www.ldsscriptureteachings.org... (www.ldsscriptureteachings.org...)
Joseph used a Urim and Thummim: www.ldsscriptureteachings.org... (www.ldsscriptureteachings.org...)
Here is a timeline of the translation process:
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In this episode of the "Ask the Experts Interview Series" the Paul brothers interview Mike Day about the extensive research and study he has done on the method and timeline of the translation of The Book of Mormon. We also dive into the issues face by Millennial Church members, why authenticity in faith matters, how the bible was put together, and much much more.
Mike is a PHD candidate and he specializes in Ancient Greek, Hebrew and Old Testament studies. He also has an amazing podcast of his own where he provides in depth studies each week of Come Follow Me alongside his colleague Bryce Dunford.
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[@thestickofjoseph]

The seer stone seems to be quite controversial to many of you. Here is a statement from Mike and his sources! None of us saw the translation process. I do not know how it was done as I (Mike Day) was not there. But Emma Smith, William Smith, David Whitmer, and Martin Harris testified that Joseph used the stone. You can read their accounts here: www.ldsscriptureteachings.org/2015/08/joseph-smith-translated-the-book-of-mormon-with-a-seerstone/ The Paul brothers posted it in the description, but just in case you missed it. I also share how there were several witnesses that testified that Joseph used the Urim and Thummim as well. You can see my collection of witness statements (Joseph, Martin Harris, Oliver Cowdery, and David Whitmer) regarding this here: www.ldsscriptureteachings.org/2015/08/joseph-smith-translated-the-plates-with-the-urim-and-thummim/ Again, the Paul brothers posted this in the description. The evidence is all there. But what am I doing? I am trying to see how these stories worked together based on witness testimony, and we are all doing our best. But at the end of the day, I do not know. I wasn’t alive then. I put McConkie and Ostler’s rebuttal in the article and hyperlinked it as well. Here is their article: www.ldsscriptureteachings.org/2021/01/the-process-of-translation/ As to "credible sources," I guess it all comes down to what we do with Emma Smith's statement as well as David Whitmer, Martin Harris, and William Smith. We (members of the Church) certainly quote them extensively when their testimonies say what we want them to say. I am just saying that they did make these statements.

[@andrewjeppesen2369]

Well said. I know some "fringe" writers like John Neville (he's out there, let's be honest) seem to abhor the idea that the seer stone was used. Not sure why it's such an issue to so many. It was translated however it was translated. I don't care about the method so much as the end product. Thanks guys.

[@UtahKent]

It's not a problem when someone (Neville, May, Stoddard) has a different opinion, but when their gospel hobby becomes an article of faith for their version of the "truth", I think they have a problem.

[@andrewjeppesen2369]

@@UtahKent Indeed. That's why I tend to avoid Neville, Rod Meldrum, and Hannah Stoddard. It's a bit over the top.

[@nathanbigler]

LDS scholar Dan McClellan has debunked your project. Deutero-Isaiah and many other anachronisms and faults in the Book of Mormon prove that it is 19th century fiction. You're fundraising on lies that you call "faith."

[@anjalE30]

Workings of stone were taught to man by fallen angels The STONE is biblically symbolic because Cain killed Abel with a stone The Mormon founders are descendants of CAIN Which stem from Edomites AND edomites are mostly GERMANIC PPL AKA HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE AKA NAZIS PPL BETTER WAKE UP

[@bradbunnell5759]

I love these topics because my Great-Great-Great Grandmother was there when they were translating the plates. Her Name was Sarah Heller Conrad Bunnell. She was the house keeper for the Whitmer family and whenever Joseph and Oliver would come down from translating the plates she related a story of what they looked like when the would come down, she said, "they looked so exceedingly white and strange". Please look her up. She is an amazing lady and was true to what she saw all of her days. Thanks

[@deborahbarlow4309]

Awesome to hear. My great great grandfather was Joseph Smith's bodyguard and is even mentioned several times in the History of the Church.

[@marshall3n]

@@deborahbarlow4309 we are probably related

[@deborahbarlow4309]

@@marshall3n I can easily believe that. I have a lot of family.

[@azariahfawson1731]

You both helped inspire me to start a KZbin channel with my brother called EveryDay Witnesses. Our first video comes out this Sunday!

[@thestickofjoseph]

So pumped to hear that! you got to subscribers right here!

[@kimnielschris]

I’d love to subscribe when you’re up and running!

[@BurgerCity]

EveryDay witness what date will it sir please. TIA

[@azariahfawson1731]

We have our first intro episode up and plan to have another episode up this Sunday.

[@carlavegas887]

Yes! Keep it up!

[@SoCalSaint492]

No need to apologize for getting off track. There’s so much information no matter what direction your taking the conversation. I could sit and listen for hours! Great episode (along with your others) thank you so much for all this info😊

[@thestickofjoseph]

I appreciate that!

[@PrepperDino]

My eyes are old, my ears don’t always hear every word, but my heart is full. Love your podcast. I am 71 great grandma and I am stoked. Would love to buy a PDF Transcription. Sooo cool!

[@tedomer3627]

Also, Don Bradley’s book about the lost 116 pages is a marvelous contribution to LDS history. All should read it.

[@mikedayherriman]

Amen.

[@dcarts5616]

This is what I love to see! Our scriptures being read and discussed and LOVED! Bravo TSOJ!! The Bible is amazing, the BoM is amazing and supports the Bible in the most beautiful way. More of this stuff!

[@thestickofjoseph]

Yes! Thank you!

[@carlavegas887]

Facts!

[@user-vd1zz3zw5q]

I cannot tell you guys how much I loved this! Recently a family member has gone down the Anti -LDS rabbit hole and listens only to one KZbin channel which just spews all the regurgitates the same criticisms over and over but calls themselves “Mormon” (ironic?) so I’ve been doing my homework in order to be armed with the truth. What I’ve come to find is that my testimony has only increased by my research! This was seriously the best thing I have listened to and most relatable! Keep ‘em coming!!

[@o0TheKillerFish0o]

If you’re interested in confirming what the truth is, you should start with Joseph Smith’s translation of Isaiah and how it doesn’t match the complete copy we’ve found which predates Nephi’s prophesied corruption, establishing without doubt that Joseph Smith’s version is a fabrication.

[@deborahbarlow4309]

I'm the same. I watch these, do my own research, and yes, even watch critics. I find the more I know and the more I learn the more certain I am. Question everything and He will always give you answers (not immediately of course, but persevere and it'll come).

[@pizzapaulgaming1723]

Good job helping a family member! 😀

[@daleclark7127]

Don Bradley’s 116 pages is the most impactful book on the BoM I’ve ever read. It blew my mind and strengthened by belief in the narrative of origin. Just an amazing and well authored work that no one should ignore if you truly want to know if the BoM is what it is purported. Great guest and interview guys!!!

[@tedomer3627]

Great info, love the format. Suggestion - let the guest(s) talk more, give them max air time. Keep it up amigos.

[@brothercheerio]

I’m on the 47th minute and I already feel I have to rewatch this video. I’m too dumb to understand everything but I love it.

[@llgoldstein2710]

The small plates were most likely just with the abridgement because they were brought separately to Joseph by the angel when they arrived in Fayette. Also there is a record of them meeting a heavenly messenger transporting the abridgement to Cumorah.

[@danpiedra3910]

This also explains why different sets of witnesses of the plates give different estimates of weight (significantly different)... Small plates vs Mormon's record

[@stevenelkins2490]

[32] When Cowdery returned to the Church in 1848, he declared that he “wrote with my own pen the intire book of mormon (Save a few pages) as it fell from the Lips of the prophet.” Cowdery further explained, “As he translated it by the gift and power of god, By means of the urum and thummim, or as it is called by that book holy Interperters. I beheld with my eyes. And handled with my hands the gold plates from which it was translated. I also beheld the Interperters.” Focusing upon his experiences while they translated, he emphatically stated, “That book [The Book of Mormon] is true.” Reuben Miller, journal, October 21, 1848, Church History Library

[@danpiedra3910]

All first hand accounts of Joseph and Oliver are consistent with the translation being through the urim and thumim. All references to the SITH are from others who had falling away with Joseph or commented on this year's after Joseph's death. I really doubt that after losing the 116 pp Joseph would have tried to do things in any other way but by the means which Moroni had instructed him - using the plates and the urim and thumim.

[@jonathanray7931]

​@@danpiedra3910 What is the "SITH"? Thanks. God bless you and yours and take care.

[@danpiedra3910]

@@jonathanray7931 stone in the hat theory

[@dr33776]

​@@danpiedra3910so Emma also had a falling away with JS? What about the Martin Harris account that he replaced the SITH to "stop the mouths of fools"? Oliver had no qualms about lying for Joseph.

[@mikedayherriman]

@@danpiedra3910 It is hard for me to call Emma, Martin Harris, Oliver Cowdery, and William Smith "Sith." As a complete Star Wars nerd, I understand this term. See the comment pinned at the top.

[@Called-to-Live]

Humility in our understanding is shown by honesty in our sources, motivations, and lack of full spectrum understanding. All would benefit from admitting to ourselves and others that faith is required in all areas of study. Well done guys!

[@Thehaystack7999]

So perfect that you released this, just minutes earlier I put out a reading of the translation of the “Caractors” document! Perfect timing, maybe inspired?

[@CMZIEBARTH]

That's what I was thinking! Even thought of including a link to your video. Or do you want to?

[@Thehaystack7999]

@@CMZIEBARTH I pinned their video in my comments.

[@sendlazarus430]

Try to put "Easter Eggs" and "5 rap songs that haven't been written yet" in the text including Chiazmas and etc... in a single draft; simply miraculous. Another drop in the bucket that proves the Book of Mormon is true! Loved this!

[@stevenelkins2490]

Joseph affirmed that he “translated from the plates,” and that he used the Urim and Thummim to do so. After the loss of the 116 pages by Martin Harris, both the plates and the Urim and Thummim were taken from him. Without the Urim and Thummim he could not translate. During this period Joseph made a short visit to his parents in Manchester, New York, and then returned again to Pennsylvania. “Immediately after my return home,” he recounted, “I was walking out a little distance, when, behold, the former heavenly messenger appeared and handed to me the Urim and Thummim again for it had been taken from me in consequence of my having wearied the Lord in asking for the privilege of letting Martin Harris take the writings, which he lost by transgression and I inquired of the Lord through it, and obtained the following [section 3]” (Smith, History of the Church, 1:21-22)

[@icecreamladydriver1606]

That is what I hold to also. I don't get why everyone is now saying that he used the stone.

[@dcarts5616]

@@icecreamladydriver1606 what would happen if he was using the stone also? The stone wasn’t given to Joseph, he found it, which is why it wasn’t taken. Or was it? Crazy stuff. I love that he was able to use the gift and power of god to use several different tools to “translate” what is now The Book of Mormon! It’s all great either way.

[@dr33776]

Well, David Whitmer said the U&T was not returned and that he used the seer stone after that. Martin Harris replaced the stone in the hat during the translation. Emma would've been the scribe before Oliver got into the picture, and she described the translation using the rock and the hat. Just because Joseph said something doesn't make it true.

[@icecreamladydriver1606]

Guess it doesn't much matter how he did it just matters that he got it done.@@dcarts5616

[@brucelloyd7496]

Steven, you are correct. The only instrument of translation was the Urim and Thummim. Those who claim that after the lost 116 pages incident, Joseph never got the U&T back and so he had to resort to the seer stone in a hat for the translation is a big lie. Eight sections of the Doctrine and Covenants were revelations given through the Urim and Thummim. Section 3, July 1828, Harmony Section 6 & 7, April 1829, Harmony Section 11, May 1829, Harmony Section 14, 15, 16, 17, June 1829, Fayette The events of the Book of Mormon happened in ancient America and the translation was done only by the Urim and Thummim. Stop wasting time and money looking in other places and promoting a false translation method! There is a mountain of evidence if you take the time to look.

[@Greg-McIver]

Everyone needs to read the book by James E. Lucas and Jonathan Neville called By Means of the Urim and Thummim. Richard Bushman says, "All readers who take the translation seriously must recon with this book." You'll get a clearer picture that the plates, the Book of Mormon was translated with the Urim and Thummim, not dictated with a stone.

[@rconger24]

I believe what The Doctrine and Covenants says that The Book of Mormon was translated by means of The Urim and Thummum.

[@44dton]

Urim and thummin wasn't even drought up until JS was arrested as a scryr and oliver cowdery lied in court about the giant specticals, stating that they were actually the urim and thummin to prove he wasn't a scryr with seer stones!

[@dr33776]

In other words, Joseph said the book of mormon was translated by the means of the U&T.

[@stevenelkins2490]

You need to invite Johnathan Neville to come and talk about the translation and church history about the Book of Mormon

[@thestickofjoseph]

He is coming in on Sept. 14th!!

[@rconger24]

Excellent. Neville is all over this!

[@stevenelkins2490]

Yeah!! I'll be looking forward to it.

[@melanieboles315]

I am so thrilled this popped up in my feed. I have been studying with Talking Scriptures for a very long time and love Mike and Bryce to pieces. I want to study with them in person This was such a fabulous way of studying (talking( This format was excellent I felt like I was there in person Thank you so so much

[@kz6fittycent]

Mike is amazing and I’d love to just hang out and talk thru things and listen to him. Such an awesome video!!

[@cloudsandrainyday]

Dang, this was amazing. Never seen your channel. Here to stay. Very very impressive and inspiring.

[@wendyfoster5579]

This is a great episode. We really like Mike from Talking Scriptures. So much more to cover with him. Looking forward to more.

[@mikedayherriman]

Thanks for listening! Love the positivity!

[@Icanonlyimagn7891]

This is an awesome discussion! Love your channel! Y’all rock! 💕☀️🔥

[@Sharon-gl1rl]

This is amazing information you guys put into these podcasts. Keep up with this because it is pure gold to all of us that listen to it.

[@Spankyward]

LOVE THIS CHANNEL! I love this kind of stuff. You guys are awesome. Little opinion. Let your guests finish their thought before you jump in. Other than that you guys are kicking butt! Keep the episodes coming!!👍

[@kimberlyolsen9416]

Joseph Smith had the Urim and Thummim in April of 1829. Look at D&C 7. He had the Interpreters after the Lost 116 pages. Jonathan Neville has a wonderful book called A MAN THAT CAN TRANSLATE: JOSEPH SMITH AND THE NEPHITE INTERPRETERS. He also wrote a book called Letter VII which gives Oliver Cowdery's experience. Emma Smith only told the Seer stone story AFTER Joseph was dead and after Whitmer and William Smith began to tell the stone in the hat story. You guys should interview Hannah Stoddard from the Joseph Smith Foundation.

[@rocks7126]

I was going to say the same thing, but had a feeling to check if anyone else has said it. They should have Hannah Stoddard on their show. Joseph Smith truly did translate the Book of Mormon by the gift and power of God through the means of the Urim and Thummim. No seer stone was ever used to translate.

[@curtisgeiger9134]

Your current Prophet , Russell, now tells that the Seer Stone was used and demonstrates how Smith dropped the stone into a hat and then sticks his face in the hat.

[@mycatwould]

The urum and thummim AND seer stone both served the same function - a medium for translation by the power of God. Whether he used one, the other, or both - it doesn’t matter. It’s what came out of the translation that is our focus: The Book of Mormon.

[@commoncents5191]

@@curtisgeiger9134maybe because so called experts told him that. Prophets are not perfect. This was not doctrine or GC.

[@cmac956]

Hi again , I really like the way you guys think . its a lot like the way I have come to think .I am a member of the LDS church , but I hav"ent been active in a long time . I believe the Book Of Morman is from God through Joseph Smith . I read it often .as well as the Bible { King James version) .also ( New King James version .) .thanks fore your good words .they are very help full ,God bless .

[@TubeFlexMedia]

Great interview! Mike Day kills it. This whole channel rocks. You guys are doing great.It's good to see when a plan comes together.

[@jaredshurtliff1814]

Thank you about authenticity! Absolutely! You hit the head of the nail on that one. If anyone doesn’t seem authentic, it becomes hard to listen. Others just simply tune it completely out.

[@wendyolsen985]

I love your content and you really have some great people on your channel! Well done!

[@reneecapps2704]

Love your show. I could listen all day.

[@Phraq]

I am totally loving your work! You two are very authentic. I love watching your journey as we (yes, I feel like I’m journeying with you) explore all of these topics. Keep up the great work! Stay unpolished!

[@mnkeeme]

There is so much fascination information that I will need to listen to this over and over again. Love this!

[@joes6525]

You need to do a series of Podcast with Mike Day. Your hitting areas that everyone wants more of. Mike is pure GOLD!

[@newline-media]

Do you guys have a podcast? I've tried looking it up on Spotify but I can't find anything.

[@stevenelkins2490]

Hannah Stoddard would also be a great interview about Joseph Smith and the translation.

[@Hamann9631]

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[@ryaneden1187]

I appreciate the work you do and the fair approach you take. Would you consider bringing Mike from LDS Discussions (he has had his series on Mormon Stories as well) to have an open conversation on these topics? It would make for a much more robust conversation instead of you trying to say what you think "critics" say...and same for the "critics" on their shows as they try to guess at what "apologists" would say. Instead would be great to have both in the same room to have a fair and respectful open dialogue.

[@elizabethbaker2426]

Hey Brother Day!! Your Isaiah Institute class was one of my favorites for sure!!

[@mikedayherriman]

Thanks! Isaiah is the best! It makes for a fun class!

[@TexasTornado66]

I usually won’t watch a podcast where the hosts interrupt their guests. But this felt so authentic and real, like I was there watching y’all talk! I was mesmerized for the hour and a half.

[@lauraolsen9545]

You guys never sound stupid. I appreciate your very intelligent exploration of relevant topics with fantastic guests. Excellent! Thank you! (BTW, love Talking Scripture!)

[@Supamanpk]

what were the different sources that were used to construct the old testament ? ex. priestly and another one or two were mentioned , were there more? thanks

[@Wonderboywonderings]

Playlist of several interviews and podcasts of Don Bradley talking about the Lost 116 pages and his book about them: kzbin.info/aero/PLjtaEiCVQh7cC9dBFE5Db211xwovr0tNl

[@dannyd7426]

I love the “we’ll edit that in post” mentality from people and then you just “edit what in where?” and plow on through haha Beautiful

[@dianahumphries5906]

So good to finally "see" Mike!! He's just been a voice, via his & Bryce's podcast, for 3 years 😄 This was very enjoyable, thanks!!

[@nicklungren4134]

Where can I find his quote of Brigham Young on revelation clothed in our broken language? 52:32

[@jasonwright1676]

Thank you for the awesome discussion on the scriptures. I look forward to seeing more of you videos and am grateful that I found your channel. Keep up the great work guys.

[@thestickofjoseph]

More to come!

[@billadams8218]

are u familiar w/th Bible Code and equidistant word searches that spell out modern-day world events, names, etc? i wld LOVE to see this applied to th BOM and see wat comes up. Maybe hv to use th 1st edition...wat are UR thoughts on th Bible Code? just another rabbit hole for y'all to explore...THANK U for ur AWESOME videos!

[@Josh-Briscoe-Utah]

I really enjoyed this. Especially the unplanned part about authenticity. I’ve also had some of my strongest spiritual feelings in the ARP meetings.

[@BlaineHeggie]

This is your BEST video to date! Loved seeing you guys getting all excited in the interview. This needs a part 2! Mike Day, are you a descendant of Henry Eastman Day?

[@mikedayherriman]

No idea. I am actually adopted into the tree. I have never met my biological father. I told you in the video my family life was not exactly ideal.

[@GwPoKo]

excellent discussion! I learned a lot this video!

[@danielroehm2822]

Wonderful video! I thought this geeking out was just great. My wife and I listen to Mike and Bryce all the ti'm on talking scriptures. We'll be listening to this podcast a lot more now too.

[@ViajesdeFe]

Thanks for sharing! Love your videos. My favorite example of the Mosiah-first narrative connections is Alma 36:22 and 1 Nephi 1:8

[@evajanehargraves]

Love. Love. Love your channel and bro. .Day I'm 69 yrs. And a member of 45 yes. I'm a self taught research geek!!! I'm teaching myself Hebrew. Through Genealogy I've found I'm from Judah, both sons also Joseph's both sons. Also Dan and Benjamin. I have not found any one that has such a jaw dropping family tree that Family Search has expanded on from my years of indepth research. I just love it when someone like you two have a rapid fire. fast paced delivery of amazing facts and info to spring board into more indepth research!!! Most drag it out slowly and I just want to start pulling my hair out in frustration. So I have been sharing your channel with family and friends. Awesome work guys. Please keep it up!!! Those of us that need the fast pace are in GEEK heaven!!!

[@Thehaystack7999]

Has Mike Day read the research from Jerry Grover on the translation of the “Caractors” document?

[@krissycampbell7055]

These discussions are fantastic! Thank you for identifying and articulating the need for greater authenticity. Above all, thank you for sharing your testimonies here. When you shared your experience in pursuit of your seminary graduation, I was impressed with your spiritual witness of the power of the Book of Mormon to divinely change us and teach us. You are going to be catalysts for greater spiritual growth in a generation of followers of Christ.

[@paulblack1799]

When Isaiah received his magnificent vision and calling Yahweh directed him to speak in code. Isaiah 6:10 "Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed."

[@sheldonjackson383]

Terrific information! 👏🏻 A bit of clarification: Oliver Cowdery was Lucy Smith’s third cousin I believe, and the elder Smith’s and Oliver’s relatives apparently were living in Tunbridge Vermont around the same time.

[@charlesstanford1310]

I learned about the translation order from the introduction to Royal Skousen's edition of the original text. Keeping that in mind while I read has been enlightening. I had not noticed that about Moroni wrapping up by quoting the small plates authors. I like the comparison to rap; it reminds me of jazz. For a long time I've called Jacob's sermons jazz solos. The Book of Mormon is richer and I am ever more convinced of its truth the more I notice and account for the mortal limitations of its authors.

[@MichaelGMoney]

Between Don Bradley and Margaret Barker, I feel like so much of the Book of Mormon has been unlocked. Also studying through the spirit has helped further those connections between the ancient world and the temple endowment Besides Ezekiel 1, Isaiah 6 is also a vision of God, in the temple.

[@mikedayherriman]

They have certainly put us on the path towards asking more of the questions they are working with!

[@csluau5913]

I think I can answer the question about the menorah. If you ask the Jewish people, especially the ones who are really knowledgeable about symbolism they told me that the menorah, and the way that it is designed and the way that it was originally crafted was to represent the almond tree. The caps were meant to represent the flowers of the almond tree, everything about the menorah is symbolic. Our father loves symbols, so does the Lord. This is a language I understand. If you have not seen an almond tree, you should look it up and then look at how the original ancient menorah was designed. If you read in the old testament, it will tell you how it was crafted. Geometry was symbolic of the first fruits that were harvested each season.

[@visitor4574]

Where can I find more info about the speaking in code that Isaiah practices?

[@kdeltatube]

I think the small plates were in a separate ring binder not included in the large plates ring binder. So, The translation from the Whitmer's home was from the small plates binder. At that time, they did not have in their possession, the large plates..

[@mrmod123]

Get Hannah Stoddard and Jonathan Neville in to explain….

[@creb2429]

Hannah is amazing!

[@Supamanpk]

Word

[@gemzone2000]

This is exactly what I was going to say. Hannah is incredible.

[@JaneHallstrom1]

And there was a year and a half - between obtaining the plates September’27 and doing the three months of intensive translation April to June of ‘29 - when Joseph was studying the characters, practicing, learning the language, and perfecting his translation capabilities, no?

[@angelinavickers8584]

Yes, please - love Hannah. Also Invite Bryce your seminary teacher as love him too. Regards from Qld Australia.

[@andrewjeppesen2369]

Another great video! You guys ROCK!

[@thestickofjoseph]

Thanks! You too!

[@establishingzion688]

I bought Don Bradley's book on the Lost 116 pages a few weeks ago and have been reading it. It truly is awesome! Great discussion, brethren! Joseph was indeed called of God to translate the most correct Book of Mormon!

[@kz6fittycent]

Just bought it!

[@mikedayherriman]

Excellent purchase!@@kz6fittycent

[@loudogg73]

Am I mistaken in saying that the issue with "deutero Isaiah" comes down to the fact that Isaiah made a number of prophecies which came me to pass and secular scholars don't believe in the idea of prophecy, therefore those prophecies must have been written after the fact? Am I oversimplifying or is there something I'm missing?

[@jennyomalley9212]

Excellent content! Wow! I gotta listen to that again. 😎🙌

[@sarahbean6170]

This is an amazing informative video! Thank you so much for this content! I had HUGE aha moments while listening to this! Wow!

[@kenkersey6658]

I think the Stone-In-The-Hat was just a demonstration. You should bring on Jonathan Neville to explain.

[@HPALM22]

Feel like I'm watching Frank, Joe, and Fenton Hardy discuss the gospel and I am HERE for it.

[@slicepizza3263]

Two of each Kind probably meant two big cats, two wolves, two pachyderm, etc. The rest of the animals come from the original pair. Dogs come ftom Wolves, etc.

[@philandrews2860]

Thanks for this very interesting interview! This is the first I've heard from Mike Day.. what an amazing guy :) One thought just came to me after watching this, and I'm sure that others have thought of this same idea before: The plates that Joseph got from Moroni must have been the same size (x/y dimensions) as the small plates of Nephi, since the small plates were included, unedited, as is, by Mormon. This implies that Mormon's abridgement of the large plates must also have been the same size as the small plates in order to make them all fit together neatly without some pages/portions sticking out relative to others. The same goes for the sealed portion. Perhaps Mormon purposely made the abridged plates smaller in x/y dimensions because he foresaw that his son Moroni would have to carry them around for a while before burying them, and he probably also gave him enough blank pages to fill in with his own revelations/history, giving him just enough that he could still carry around but not so much that it would be too heavy :) Also, perhaps Nephi's small plates were made smaller in dimension originally, for similar reasons, with the anticipation that they would have to be carried around more than larger plates due to their increased importance (doctrinally, rather than historically) to be part of the portions that were to 'speak from the dust' in the latter days.

[@jonathanray7931]

@philandrews2860 I have learned the x/y portion sizes argument before in about my late 20s-early 30s and I am now 46 putting me in Gen X. Anyway I have always had a hard time picturing that to be the case, that some plates were smaller and others larger in size (as in length, width, breadth) compared to each other. It has never quite made any sense to me. How I think of it is that the small plates are small or few in number and the large plates are large or many in number (quantity or amount) when compared to each other even though the small plates were said to be "light in heft" and the large plates to be "heavy". But, again, their individual hefts could have been due partly to the number of pages each have. To me, that makes much more sense because it seems more consistent with the descriptions and depictions of the plates. But that comparison could not be made by the Prophet Joseph Smith Jr until he received both sets and realized the significant difference in the number of pages of each set. And if I recall the history correctly, he received the small plates first and then the large plates like one to three weeks later. I think. Idk. I could very well be wrong about that and am probably just dreaming all of that up. Anyway it seems like also one of the things Moroni told Joseph when he received the small plates was something like "These are the plates of Nephi which are the small plates. In a little while I will deliver you the plates of my father Mormon, which are the large plates and they are large as to the number of the leafs in them." Something like that but I can't recall exactly because it has been too long since I have studied the scriptures and the History of the Church. Anyway please don't quote me on any of that and take it all with a thousand grains of salt but I had this thought(?) remembrance(?) come to me and it seems significant enough to share. Hhmmm, Idk. I will have to study up on that point to (hopefully) get the accurate history on it Anyway God bless you and yours and take care.

[@kolbyhallmark]

@ 1:02:24 it was neat to see you all with different types of Book of Mormon. Same book different form to digest.

[@billadams8218]

i LOVE ur videos! TYSM for all th research and knowledgeable guests u hv! I wish i had seen ur vids b4 i left...imo EVERY member shld be familiar w/th subjects u are discussing.

[@AnaliliB]

I loved the humanity of it all. Joseph losing the pages is like us losing out way.

[@JazzyUnderscoreTrumpeter]

A beautiful testimony at the end, thank you.

[@jonathanray7931]

@Stick of Joseph When you guys were talking about the lost/stolen 116 pages of the Book of Lehi, that reminded me of the passage somewhere in either 1 or 2 Nephi where Nephi writes something like "... and the Lord wanted I, Nephi, to write again what my father had already written in his book. And I inquired of the Lord as to why he wanted me to do that and the Lord said to me not to worry about why he wanted me to write again the writings of my father other than it was wisdom in him that I should do it. So I, Nephi, to be obedient to the Lord, did write again the writings of my father because the Lord had commanded me to and I do not know the reason why." It is something like that. Do any of you know what passage I am talking about? I have not been in the scriptures for years now so I am just going off of the top of my head but that is what I recollect learning a very long time ago. And I am wondering how germain to your discussion it might be!! Thanks. God bless you all and all of yours and take care.

[@whazthatusay]

I remember less "perfect" conferences - but if i recall correctly, a lot of it has to do with television time, networks etc as they expanded television coverage - not solely on KSL. That said - love your programs!!

[@christineamclearly-halton1581]

Wow , thank you all for such an incredible spiritual stick of Joesph with brother Day . Love all your passion and inspirational stories and topics of the book of mormon and the bible with insight , truth and knowledge that brings light and understanding and feel the spirit witness theses precious sacred words that were written and said is done through the power of God the father and his beloved son Jesus Christ connects our hearts in one to him. Love from Australia 🇦🇺 ❤️

[@jacobnelson211]

Mike Day is such a fun, faithful man to listen to. I listen to Talking Scriptures so when I saw he's on this channel too, I knew I had to watch it!

[@dannyd7426]

50:25 - the measurement they used to build the pyramids in Giza and many other massive ancient structures, including Hopewell and Adena structures, is based off of the curvature of the earth so the knowledge that the earth is a globe existed back then.

[@Phraq]

55:36 THIS! This is the thought I’ve had, but didn’t know how to put it into words. We need to be authentic to one another.

[@ryanlatimer7832]

Thank you brethren. I so appreciate your discussions an passion for the Book of Mormon and Jesus Christ!

[@charliegladwell1]

Great episode

[@fightingfortruth9806]

I hear people struggling with their testimony constantly grumble, "the Church isn't doing X right, or the members are X, etc". What many seem to forget is that WE are the church. If YOU don't like the way something is transpiring among the members, get in there and start making a difference. You would not believe the number of times I have privately approached an Elders Quorum President, a Bishop, or even a Stake President and said, "hey, I don't like that we are doing X, can we change that?". Most of the time, they have accomodated my request. I'm not just talking about small things, I'm talking about events and activities that affected the entire ward or stake. And I was not in any leadership position when I asked. If you don't like some things in the church, get in there and talk to someone about it. If your request aligns with the gospel principles, you can make a difference for the better. WE are the body of the Church.

[@Thriving-uv2ce]

Easier said than done. Many ultimately leave because the church will go in the direction the leadership chooses. People who don't sustain their church leaders are ignored now. Voting to sustain the prophet for example is all for show now. Research and check it out. We are the body of the church but the apostles are running the show. Things do shift over time, though, just look at what is taught in church now vs. 30 years ago. What will be taught in 30 years from now? Will some doctrines change?

[@elijahhodges4405]

Oliver Cowdery was a distant cousin of mine. 5th Cousin, 5X removed, on my mother's side.

[@alisamcharness3947]

Very fun episode. I’d love to hear more about the Deuteromistic period and the conflicts at the end of the first temple period. Get Margaret Barker on to talk about how Heavenly Mother was edited out of scripture!

[@p1ll0wt0p]

MORE PLEASE!

[@CatoELYounger]

Awesome video! I enjoyed the unscripted conversations. One of the frustrating things that was pointed out is that Utah is one of the highest consumers of pornography. I believe Ward Radio debunked this citing that when they studied this claim there were a lot of inconsistencies with that initial claim. I've always been skeptical of that claim.

[@kevins4254]

Great video, gentlemen! I'm not LDS but I've been studying the faith for over 40 years. I have a serious question (not trying to attack or argue) regarding the time it took to write the BoM. It was mentioned several times in the video how quickly Joseph wrote the BoM and how that proves he couldn't have created the story himself. It's important to remember that he announced the visit from Moroni in 1823 telling him about the plates, but he didn't take possession of the plates until exactly 4 years later (1827). Couldn't he have used those 4 years to research, outline, and prepare the story, so that when he did the translating in 1828 and 1829, it appeared to be done very quickly??

[@thestickofjoseph]

That is well understood that he could have spent years of his life making it up. But the miraculous thing was him dictating it non stop with no source notes. Unless cowdery, whither and Harris were in on it, it seems crazy to think that the whole thing would have been dictated from memory with the precision and complex timeline it has.

[@ozymandias6743]

Yes, of course he could have. Also, he and Oliver took their sweet time delivering the foolscap paper manuscript to the printer... page by handwritten page, even though printer EB Grandin said they could save time l printing if Joseph simply delivered the whole manuscript at once. Why did he deliver it page by page? Maybe because he was still putting the finer points on the story. Or maybe God had a mysterious purpose behind the apparent ruse. Grandin's assistant wrote that there were multiple handwriting styles in the pages, which doesn't make sense since the testimony of the eye witnesses of the book of Mormon is that after the 116 pages were lost, only OC scribed. Perhaps God is playing a bunch of games with us... Or perhaps Joseph assembled the Book of Mormon from available sources and his own charismatic storytelling, then slowly dictated it to a scribe.

[@thestickofjoseph]

Would you share your sources with me please, thank you!@@ozymandias6743

[@ozymandias6743]

@@thestickofjoseph sources for the Printing process & EB Grandin's statements? Rough Stone Rolling --> Wiki --> Dan Vogel, Early Mormon Documents Vol 1 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._B._Grandin

[@thestickofjoseph]

@@ozymandias6743 that wiki has nothing on the manuscript being turned in slowly over time. Where in rough stone rolling?

[@tgak116]

I was very interested in the section about the schism in Judaism and the redactions etc. in the texts of the Old Testament, removing references to the corporeal nature of God. Some years ago, I heard someone talk about the Septuagint and changes made in the Greek translation. That discussion sounded a lot like this one. Do you have a short list of references where I can study more on this subject? The reference to the “Great and Abominable Church” in the Book of Mormon has always been a bit problematic. One might think we are pointing fingers at some specific organization or denomination that has existed since the time of Christ. However, the discussion I heard earlier helped me to realize that that “church” has been at work opposing the Doctrine of Christ from the very beginning, not just since the time Christ established his Church on the earth. I wouldn’t mind taking Mike’s Old Testament class a couple of times.

[@jpenir]

The issue i have is Joseph used the seer stone to con people on his treasure hunts. No actual treasure was ever found. Yet the stone all of a sudden worked to translate the plates? Not buying it. And the fact that the church actually has the seer stone vs not having the spectacles (urim and thumin) tells me that in my estimation he used the seer stone the whole time

[@fair1hew]

Let me ask a question that hopefully will make you ponder. If the Liahona could be magically transported from wherever it came from, why couldn’t the same thing have happened with the plates? Was the beheading of Laban necessary at all?

[@jordan-xe2yb]

It was. Read The Lost 116 Pages (Don Bradley)

[@stormtrooper1138]

I love this topic. I have to disagree about the comment that if the scriptures were taught by someone like this that millenials would not leave the church in droves. If anyone leaves the church, it is because fundamental practices are not part of their routine (prayer, scripture reading, attending church, etc.), nor have they inquired God for answers to their burning questions if there are things that trouble them. They looked for secular answers, and have wandered into strange roads and are lost. If it is a generational issue, look to what the parents did or didn't do in that generations upbringing, and you will see what happened. It all fits into where you talked about family trees!

[@hrjosh27]

I agree with you sometimes conference is flat… But Elder Bednar addressed why stake conference talks/environment is different then general conference and why it won’t be changing, in a devotional, he said, (paraphrasing) conference is a sacred environment and has to be treated as such. At stake conference or a devotional they can be more personal/relaxed.

[@csluau5913]

Hi. First off I want to say I love these videos and I first saw your channel on a Wayne May video. Secondly I want to tell you that I’m in my 50s, but I am young at heart and I also embrace authenticity. To be completely honest, one of the reasons why I fell away from the church many years ago is because I felt that there was a lot of fake emotion and That the sincerity of heart was just not there. It was like listening to people read from a script….I know this church is true… Etc. ad nauseam. after living a life of sin and worldliness, I finally got tired of it all and when I was at the bottom of where I thought the barrel was, I started to go back to church. So many people have been praying for me for so long, and finally I looked and turned my head back towards the Lord and stopped being stiffnecked. That’s what that phrase means. By the way. Stephen act mean stubborn and not listening and refusing to turn your head when the Lord calls you. So I heard him call me finally, and I came back. I was kicked out of the church many years ago because of my bad behavior and sinful nature. But I have finally started to read the book of Mormon and I mean really read it with an open heart and open mind and I have been so moved so many times to read the stories of these people and I can feel their anguish and their love, and their grief and their anger and their strength, and it is so real to me for the first time in my life. this may surprise you to hear this, but I have been to a couple of places in North America where book of Mormon events took place. I haven’t felt the spirit at one of those places and that is what first convinced me I needed to really read the whole book of Mormon. I’m not reading it in order I’m skipping around a little bit and following my heart. I’m seeing all the book of Mormon videos put up by the church and that story is amazing. I’ve looked at some of the places where you guys have visited already and I know for sure that these places are real and that Lehigh and his wife and sons did in fact, live in the place that has been talked about Recently. I’ve looked into a lot of things in the last few months in the last few years. I know that I have three main missions to accomplish while I’m on earth. One of them involves learning everything I can about all the places that the book of Mormon and the Bible took place because this knowledge would be crucial and one of my missions. I didn’t get to go on a mission when I was young because I was living a life of sin. So I’m going to make it up to the Lord by spending the rest of my life doing everything I can. I have to raise my children first, then I will take care of the other two things. I enjoy your show, and you would be surprised, really surprised to know how much evidence there really is of the presence of the Nephites and the Lamanites on the North American continent. If you really want to find out where a lot of things are located, you need to head up into the Appalachian mountains. All the best to you guys and I wish you luck and much success in your future endeavors to complete the stick of Joseph project.

[@bryceschofield3088]

Why use two different types of “ translating tools” ie: seer stone urim thumim and not just one or the other? Why not just use what was found with the plates? Didn’t Joseph find the peep/seer stone on his neighbors land? Was the top hat in the stone capsule too? I am more confused now than before I started watching this.

[@joeriv4151]

This episode was 🔥