"It’s Abuse!” - David Pakman In Heated Tax Debate With Patrick Bet-David

In this short clip, Patrick Bet-David, David Pakmam and Adam Sosnick have a heated debate on taxes.
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[@ryanauker1144]

Some people would rather purposely miss the point rather than concede a reasonable point.

[@darshanvictor8479]

People like that you just can't have on your team. No help at all.

[@Jmsdean43]

This guy is a total duchebag. "I have a graduate and undergraduate degree." Who gives a fck.

[@vagabondwastrel2361]

thats why debating socialists isn't to win over the socialist. Just prove they are frauds to the audience.

[@Lewismarty1]

PBD super guilty of that here

[@deang8910]

@@Lewismarty1 you’re joking right? U didn’t actually watch this and think PBD was the unreasonable one did u?

[@awecballwin77]

"who makes a better decision for your daughter? You or the government?" "What kind of decsion?" Everything you need to know about the mindset of leftism right there.

[@j_jones_]

They’re all statists that act like they care more so they can get social or economic power.

[@mrplow2843]

Absolutely pathetic

[@trackingthecoreofstuffandm2310]

i much rather have my money go for a public service than go into the pocket of a globalist swap who lobby the government for more free trade agreements with china and try to turn this country into china by forcing corporations to suppress the wages of hard working Americans

[@home4life505]

A.B.S.O.L.U.T.E.L.Y. leftists have so much trust in the govt they call oppressive.

[@elchipiischipi]

🤣exactly!

[@user-ot1ie8mt2x]

P: would you like some water D: that depends on the water P: H2O D: is it in a glass or bottle P: bottle D: is it an 8oz bottle or a 16oz P: forget it

[@ahambrahmas]

yeah, clarification and specificity is for libs

[@mpup54]

EDIT D: is the bottle plastic or glass

[@matthewsteckman8101]

When you have to say wdym for every question you’re clearly trying to make your opponent consistently explain themselves… question the question “is that logical”, “wdym by that” the best way to rebut this is by either calling them out or keep dragging the conversation back to the original question posed

[@chichiboo17]

I can’t tell which person your talking about

[@mpup54]

he interupts way too much, but he shouldnt ask. David should come out and just say do you mean this (and then Patrick can restate or answer yes/no). You are correct, just being reactionary with more questions doesnt really narrow down anything, he is just trying to protect his ass in his response, but all this does is make for a horrible conversation that barely even gets any traction.

[@elmo860]

I love how the Pentagon can fail every single audit and people like this still exist

[@Stix_Zidinia]

Bro he made 75k a year working 30 hours a week in 2003.. and he's complaining about the system, and yet - I wonder how much of that money he's donated.

[@AdmoreMethod]

David is a Marxist. He supports the Globalist Agenda.

[@Priss933]

ask Trump , he increase the military budget by $738 billion for fiscal year 2020. The Pentagon is nothing but black hole for special interest

[@daMillenialTrucker]

​@@Stix_Zidiniahe ain't donate a dime except for donations to his onlyfans subscriptions 😂

[@spinwheel100]

😢⁹0

[@dejesusb8598]

As a former Federal employee and current State employee i can reassure everyone they have absolutely no idea how much of their money is pissed away every year. Even if you think you have some idea I promise you, it’s 10X worse.

[@dasse8717]

Yet we "Thank" our military which wastes a trillion a year, makes us less safe (the fake "War on Terror", why are we involved with Ukraine?). You think State Gov't and Fed Gov't waste, hahahahahahahahahaha Come to the Military-Industrial complex, where the people who complain about spending somehow totally IGNORE the waste here cause "FREEEEEEEEEEDUMB!

[@rosgill6]

even the budgeted amount for office supplies is ridiculous, for example

[@bt9704]

I agree - Govt employees are paid far too much, especially when you factor in their benefits and pension

[@stevep112]

As a current State employee, and a friend of a Federal employee, you are 100% right... The waste is shocking.

[@busterhoodstar6598]

All government run DMVs are a great example.

[@richardmcgarry5188]

Something that has always amazed me, I'm 66 years old, I have lived and worked in London, Miami, Dublin, Johannesburg and Paris, Many different countries on 3 continents and I have never been Polled.

[@samuelbrown1675]

When being intentionally dense is a debate tactic.

[@GillistheIllist]

Patrick: “The color is blue” David: “What do you mean by ‘blue’?”

[@MUSCLETAKEOVER]

😂😂🤣🤣 E X A C T L Y

[@InfiniteValue]

So annoying 😅.

[@chadclevenger4251]

Annoying a$$ knows exactly what he’s saying. Pointless conversation

[@hanamlchl]

Fight over definitions because Leftist word salad is the only way to defend their garbage ideas.

[@mrt737]

Feel sorry for his wife.

[@hatsanddunks]

“I have undergraduate and graduate degrees in economics.” PBD: Well, that’s concerning as well.

[@mballer]

Did the government pay for his education?

[@jamesbuchanan3888]

A graduate degree in statist apologia is nothing to be proud of.

[@cryptojedi312]

🤣🤣

[@home4life505]

🤣🤣🤣😅😆😆😆

[@st3ppenwolf]

@@jamesbuchanan3888 Yeah, let's all learn economics from Q-anon

[@33crushman]

The problem with taxes is it is human nature to not give a F about other people's money when there aren't immediate repercussions or any at all. The only acceptable income tax rate is 0% at the federal level, and the small amount of government we do need should can be financed through sales taxes, tolls, fees, etc.

[@mautc1]

Unfortunately that wouldn’t be posible. The federal government is in charge of many vital things, think commerce, federal infrastructure, air traffic control, the military, etc. This simply would not be able to be funded with just sales taxes or tolls, unless they become 45+%. That just would not be feasible.

[@jordanjackman1537]

You can learn MANY debate techniques amd emotional controls from this podcast.

[@latetotheparty5156]

Not sure if Pakman is naive or willingly ignoring the absolutely wasteful government spending. His "govern me harder, daddy" energy is off the charts.

[@twixt999]

He sam Harris light

[@mrmagoozle]

I scared my wife in bed laughing out loud at “govern me harder daddy” 😭😭😭😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ivywoodxrecords]

Ya he not centered with himself. Clearly possessed with some sort of ideology. Good content though.

[@brandonwalters9437]

😂 I just watched the other clip and commented that Pakman is the poster boy for willful ignorance.

[@tommydavidwalker2445]

Both

[@stoundingresults]

Problem is Government spending, leaving taxpayers and poor people fight each other as distraction.

[@Westcoastrocksduh]

Government is just the elites piggy bank that you don’t have access to.

[@MA1NMANMA1N1AC]

The problem is thinking any organization, government entity , corporation really gives a 💩 about you.

[@gorkyd7912]

@Google Sucks Ass Why would wealth concentration be a problem? You're talking about fake dollars printed from nothing. Those are concentrated. Meanwhile 70 billion people lifted out of poverty, starvation brought to all time lows, and we live lives so comfortable we can chat about it on KZbin.

[@SK-fp4ed]

@Google Sucks Ass The problem is too many people on welfare.

[@zadekeys2194]

Problem is that if you standup, they arrest you using people that you have paid for...

[@gerryperdigon152]

Davids never been hit in the face and it shows. condescending, sarcastic.

[@jackboyes6635]

PBD's ability to keep cool in this conversation is inspiring, David has made a profession out of acting ignorant

[@ThomasShelby-xz2fk]

David is a smart man. Sorry your brain isn’t on that level

[@slave0102]

@@ThomasShelby-xz2fk smart man? Pakman is slick. Difference. Difference. Pak obviously is intelligent enough to speak platitudes and tropes but when challenged with specifics that’s when his schtick begins. If that is smart to you, then you must be one of his subscribers.

[@AppleOfThineEye]

@@ThomasShelby-xz2fk Pfffft.

[@o.j.brathwaite7134]

@@slave0102 I mean, honestly, one of the smartest thing a human can do is play dumb. A very safe option in life and helps expose your oppenent into giving up more info without asking.

[@Corn_Pop_Da_Bad_Dude]

​@@slave0102 He's not even slick you can see right through him he's that stupid

[@aj9586]

0:28 PBD: Who makes better decisions for your daughter, you or the government? Pakman: What kind of decisions? That gave me all I need to know about this guy

[@mrplow2843]

Pathetic

[@rubyruby6358]

That was chilling. Glad I’m not his daughter

[@Afellowotaku]

I fesr for these people have, they're sheeps. Like literally they'd gladly take anyone as a shepherd... submissive type of people are a true mistery for me

[@prosandconsfilms6933]

I really wish he spoke to that douchebag Hack-linski like this also

[@samsonstrong965]

That guy is a sausage

[@trey1956]

This guy has never been wronged. What a life.

[@teslah2997]

perhaps he is wise enough to choose who he lends things to, and he treats people right and gets the respect he has earned.

[@seanm7553]

HE doesn't have any friends and never lent anything to anyone.

[@jasonchristopher5928]

@@teslah2997if only the government was trustworthy…..

[@Fstate]

The typical pbd listener is not capable of understanding complex ideas

[@realReagan]

@@Fstatetaxes are theft. we had roads, schools, military, whatever else you want to list as to why we “need taxes” prior to the implementation of the income tax. whatever you earn you should keep. that is too complex for you to understand tho i’m sure.

[@vandalism4368]

Universal health Care worked out real good for Canada 🙄

[@arianduran1725]

Canada has doctors & nurses, but they have no specialist Dr. People needing surgery or treatment & they end up dying because of no enough specialist , bad on the health system. ❤🇨🇦🇺🇲🇲🇽

[@mpup54]

@@arianduran1725 I have that problem in the good ole USA. Plenty of non-specialists primary care, but if you need something more than that, the county has nothing in the way of specialty even in terms of diagnosing difficult conditions. I think this is almost synergy to prevent people on govt programs to gain welfare by not being capable of diagnosing anything beyond basic primary care.

[@CarlFredrik-uo1cu]

To quote @enclave6285: "I few years back I had a skateboarding accident and was pretty sure I fractured my arm. I called multiple emergency rooms and asked how much an X ray would cost. They all refused to tell me because “we can only give you the price after.” So I didn’t get one. I could barely move my arm for a week. My friend was prescribed antibiotics for an allergic reaction. She was also prescribed antibiotics for covid. Neither time did she have a bacterial infection or any symptoms that indicate she was at risk of bacterial infection. The US healthcare system is not capitalist, it’s a cartel. A racket. A scam. Completely unusable."

[@julionunez6855]

Yet it’s better than ours and cheaper

[@betterlatethannever4529]

It’s very simple. Give the people the power to decide what to do with their money.

[@doingthework737]

The patience that PBD has for this guy is completely insane. This guy is pretending to be unaware so he can keep living the lie that he believes.

[@dustin2835]

This is what he always does when he doesn't want to lose the argument

[@bobbyraejohnson]

Tep

[@trentbillings]

The interviewer didn’t seem well informed, so David did simplify things a lot for him.

[@sg5725]

No he is not your not able to understand what he is saying. Most people don’t even understand debt vs deficit.

[@Ray-wu5on]

Well said, this pakman is clueless……what’s crazy he has over 1 million people following him on KZbin. How can he not be able to see this……everything is a mess in government spending. And this dude doesn’t get it, you can’t make this up.

[@coreym846]

This guy is the case study of what colleges are doing to our country

[@colinvanzandbergen9377]

Seriously, it’s wild that a high school graduate like PBD who doesn’t have a clue how economics works can convince people he won a debate about the economy 😂

[@MyselfStefano]

*Plus he's highly arrogant and thinks he knows everything*

[@donjoseph9325]

Patrick isn’t that educated !

[@zattu]

TOTALY AGREE WITH YOU. I HEARD THIS THEORY BEFORE FROM A SIMILAR GUY LIKE THIS ONE. OWNING MONEY IS AN ECONOMIC DISASTER. WHEN YOU CAN AFFORD IT THEN YOU BUY IT!!!!! THE GOVERNMENT LANDED MONEY IN THE NAME OF EVERYONE AND THEY ASPECT ME TO PAY FOR THEIR DECISION.

[@TheMicahwitz]

David is the prefect college robot. Recites every single talking point with accuracy, and has a complete inability to think of new concepts or ideas. 😆😆😆😆

[@emiliodaddio8517]

I don’t think I have ever found anyone to be more insincere in my life than this guy.

[@mikefitzpatrick43]

He'd be a good Democrat politician for sure

[@Jenilady123]

David you were absolutely amazing in this show. You had thoughtful, intelligent and rational responses to this gentleman. Your listening skills are impeccable as are your deductive reasoning abilities. It looked as though this gentleman was not hearing you most of the time resulting in this circular conversation that went nowhere. Outstanding on your part.

[@gabriellazo2584]

Yes! Thank you! Finally someone with a 3 digit IQ.

[@mpup54]

well it became pointless because David played this game instead of getting to any of the points. Instead of asking questions about questions he should have just stated what Patrick was trying to say, but didnt frame it very well.

[@mack8154]

Kept waiting for the punchline..... Pakman is unbelievably disingenuous and dishonest in every single conversation he's ever had. It's so irritating to listen to, bc nothing ever gets actually discussed with him. Such a clown

[@Staymadcompa]

You know you have successfully annoyed Patrick when he responds with “Buddy” 😂

[@brianbozo2447]

and " I love your sarcasm".

[@sudorights]

It’s commonly used when people annoying you, back then you would say friend not buddy

[@talltexanintx]

Patrick has demonstrated that he doesn't have the capacity to formulate intellectual arguments but instead relies on how he "feels."

[@marshmindset]

I was annoyed at 2 minutes and struggled to finish the video haha

[@a.m.m.4592]

@MRTallTexan1 Agreed. I realized this when he asked Patrick to specify a program, and he said "any of them." Then he asked Patrick if he had an issue with all the programs and Patrick said "I didn't say all of them." Bruh...🤦‍♂️

[@rnrtruestories]

I’ve worked in government at different levels and the amount of waste is astonishing and frustrating. There’s never a discussion to make government more lean and efficient

[@Loganwolfen]

Everyone wastes an astonishing amount of stuff. We throw away all kinds of food every year, we buy stuff we don't need, use once then it's stored away in an attic for 20 years

[@MrLuffy9131]

They spent 43 million on a fence because that's how much the contractor asked and probably they get kickbacks lol

[@KsandrPann]

"Lean" and "efficient" sounds ridiculous

[@Sport8721]

You should work in Corporate America. Much much worse and they have people believe that they are efficient.

[@fleebertreatise1063]

Auditing is a thing the government can do, they should probably be made to do that (and have actual teeth in reducing waste via an audit) more often.

[@Alig3388]

It's like PBD has a word count. He uses 100 words when one sentence would do. Classic behaviour of someone trying to sound smarter than they are and over compensating.

[@travp959]

Its not healthy to repeat lies over and over. The devil continues to make his presence known

[@riley8469]

30min summed up: PBD: “let me give you another example” Pakman: “I don’t understand”

[@Chris-mf6bj]

Liberals like to play dumb and do mental gymnastics anytime u catch em in a debate

[@franciscorogel2099]

Packman: “show me the poll on that”

[@Chris-mf6bj]

@@franciscorogel2099 lmao 🤣

[@midlet]

The irritating thing is he absolutely understands and is pretending he doesn't.

[@ddbanks8290]

But PDBs examples were all false equivalencies

[@marcostorres2329]

PBD: Could you make love to your wife better than any of your neighbors? Pak: It depends. Which neighbor are we talking about? PBD: It could be any of them Pak: Give me a specific neighbor. Adam: I think Pat is saying that he wouldn't trust his neighbor trying to visit every time his wife is alone and Pak is saying he should bring more guys with him. Pak: I don't understand the question.

[@marcussilva8440]

😂😂😂

[@cathalbutler]

Absolutely spot-on, that was so painful to listen to…talk about being paranoid

[@youvasquez]

you got it, hilarious

[@chrisw5275]

Hahaha

[@danielrakic1852]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@thetamoonedme7340]

I’ve come across this several times now on autoplay. What an exhausting (on purpose) guest 😂

[@calstanke6170]

18:12 "I'm not a high tax guy"...but i want someone elses taxes increased to pay for all my "free" liberal services. -pakman

[@benjaminmarlatt6111]

"Who makes better decisions for your daughter? You or the government?" I'm not even a parent, but the fact that he had to hem and haw and think that question through makes my head feel like it's gonna explode.

[@GarrettBradfordTX]

He’s pure BETA male. He’d have died 100 years ago from his sheer naïveté

[@ordoabchao4202]

"What kind of decision?" The fact that Pakman felt the need to clarify that almost made me spit out my cereals...

[@billwilson9602]

It was an incoherent question and Pakman was being a gracious guest by asking and allowing him to clarify. The idea that public schools and universities should be tuition-free (paid for by taxes) in no way suggests that "the government is making decisions for your daughter". Just a very dumb question to begin with.

[@austropunk3535]

@@billwilson9602 ok normie

[@billwilson9602]

@@austropunk3535 Great argument lmao

[@westtexas806]

David wants everyone else to give everyone things. But won't lend anyone anything in his personal life.

[@dustin2835]

He especially wants people to give him money

[@TommyGunz327]

He is dishonest scum. Always has been. He is also absolutely clueless. I feel sorry for the people who actually follow him and take him seriously

[@FazeParticles]

He’s a typical bourgeoisie socialist.

[@SoulofNapoleon]

I’d be willing to lend my friends anything they REALLY needed. They’ve just never asked. Does that make me unwilling to give people “things”? 😂

[@divBy0]

What do you base this statement on? Did you actually listen? I did not hear him say people asked him but he did not want to lend things out?

[@3rdjrh]

I worked at circuit city, and only people who were making money selling. The extended warranties were being dishonest, makes sense he did well selling them there lol

[@mironkusnecov5728]

The DOD has not passed an audit in the past 15 years. That right there is government waste.

[@rickyriccijr.6746]

I 100% believe he doesn’t lend people anything. No friends no problem kind of guy.

[@manictiger]

I don't lend money to friends, nor do I rent to them or anything else business-related. Policy I made after someone I knew kept using me as a credit card. He always paid me back with interest, up until he didn't, but it wasn't worth the mental storage he was using. It wasn't worth any of it. I'll lend my help, I'll lend some things, but never money. Christianity warns of usury, and personal usury is the worst. Keep business and personal separate, always.

[@Sigrafix]

@@manictiger I don't lend people money either, I give it to them and tell them don't pay me back. Saves relationships and prevents resentment of both sides. I give what I can afford tho, that's important.

[@manictiger]

​@@Sigrafix That's fair. I guess I'm kind of fatalistic, but I tend to spend money on things that'll last. I would like to have someone I care enough about that I would share resources with and defend with my life, but if I have to be brutally honest with myself, I don't think anyone I know will still be around in, say, 10 years. So, I spend for myself, because I know I'll still be there. I want a community, but we've created a world, where work is more important than friendships. Ted Kaz was right. We ruined this civilization.

[@Sigrafix]

@@manictiger No offense but that seems like a selfish way to live. I do work a lot.. 60+ hours a week and I do sometimes miss out on certain things when it comes to friends and family but it's all worth the trouble not having to worry about my bills and being in a position to help someone else in their time of need without any expectation of receiving something in return. One time, some vandal broke my windshield and the earliest I could have it repaired was 3 days, meanwhile I could not drive it. I can't tell how many people offered me rides without asking, some offered their own vehicles, one even told me they could easily catch a bus to work so I could have their car for 3 days. When you help others in good faith without any expectation of payback, I find that they tend to reciprocate. I've never told anyone "you owe me" nor is it something I've heard myself.

[@manictiger]

@@Sigrafix I can't help anyone if I can't help myself. Should this civilization collapse, resources I squandered now will be punishment later. I am playing the long game.

[@Altiebella]

I love the deflection. He's made a career out of talking a bunch of nonsense that tickles the ear but when pressed he becomes elusive

[@nigachu8249]

Perfect

[@Yoshi-Mooch]

“Uhm…. Uh… I need to see the polls” lol😂

[@guyrandom6151]

talking about PBD eh

[@christinalively8292]

Where has David been Elusive? He has factual and offers exacting examples.

[@Yoshi-Mooch]

@@christinalively8292 when pressed for data and stats, which is his signature “gotcha” technique, he stumbles and says he doesn’t have the data in front of him. It’s easy to sound smart on your own show with no one pressing you.

[@JuanDaking]

Really good show, is awesome to have both narrative explained in detail.

[@ryandaley3351]

Taxes started again in 1909 because the US started using a Central banking system. That's the problem.

[@thegoatbilly]

This person articulates his ignorance well. That's it.

[@FactsMatter999]

Brilliant …underrated comment

[@joeyflorio7517]

Got eeem

[@goodtalker]

Was Pakman once a trans woman?

[@riseagain845]

​@@goodtalker Have you ever tasted curb?

[@goodtalker]

I think I had Pakman confused with someone else. What doe's "curb" mean? @@riseagain845

[@sasoriko]

David Pakman: "I don't lend anything to anyone. Ever. So I never have to hold anyone accountable." Also David Pakman: "I don't understand why you don't want to give money to the government whom you can't hold accountable."

[@dustin2835]

He also doesn't understand why all the followers on his KZbin channel don't want to pay him extra money to hear the same bs he tells them for free

[@psychonautpupildiallater7734]

@@dustin2835 His entire show is grifting anything Trump for his TDS echo chamber. He used to be so much better when I first discovered him about 6 years ago?

[@psychonautpupildiallater7734]

@Mat I agree!

[@dustin2835]

@@psychonautpupildiallater7734 l just stated listening to him .The followers in the echo chamber are unbelievable. l have to admit sometimes I enjoy triggering them

[@psychonautpupildiallater7734]

@@dustin2835 It’s a guilty pleasure!😁

[@robertcook6986]

It was either Sweden or Switzerland that cut their way to growth actually. Something like 90% of the jobs were government jobs and they cut alot of that out and now they have businesses coming back and their economy is growing.

[@JonathanSmith-kz2jo]

Sweden.

[@meast21]

9:08 sums up this entire debate

[@matthewdismuke8555]

I like how they keep saying they’re going to pull stuff up but nothing gets pulled up 😂

[@mihneabulzan432]

they cant move past the first point cause of the huge amount of incompetence . How can you talk about economic prosperity when that kid can't keep a conversation going

[@rayshamrock]

I agree. David came unarmed.

[@cooldrop02]

PakMan came 100% armed like for real but he's supposed to bring all these links and everything together? Should he have made a flash drive for him? Because when oboy want something brought up it gets brought up. When anybody else asks for anything to be brought up to make a point, he ignores them.

[@jamesblatchford3738]

David came and destroyed. Hosts were out of their league.

[@kimocoloma4123]

Patrick is not being specific and he's allover the place.

[@Joefest99]

“Who makes better decisions for your daughter, you or the government?” “What kind of decisions?” “School” “What about school?” This reminded me of when Bill was interrogated for his inappropriate behavior in the White House and said, “It depends on what your definition of the word “is” is”. But the most diabolical thing about this is that he would argue that I’m wanting an oversimplified version of the discussions, and that he’s sophisticated in his higher assessment of the problem, falsely stealing the high ground while intentionally ambiguating the argument just because he doesn’t want to lose the argument.

[@Rationalreason777]

Just because you agree with Bet doesn't mean he's a good debater or has any idea what he is talking about. He doesn't even understand the basic libertarian positions that he holds never mind be able to articulate them intelligently. This guy is like a very low rent Joe Rogan wannabe. Rogan at least can articulate his libertarian position saliently and doesn't act arrogantly like PBD. PBD is actually VERY ignorant about econ in general and sounds like someone who read Ayn Rand 40 years ago and thinks he knows something. Bet's analogies and anecdotes were absolutely ridiculous and had no basis in reality during an econ discussion.

[@Peterdeskater100]

Normally the government never makes a decision about WHICH school your children go to. It's a complete hypothetical. In Europe for example, college is subsidized and you decide yourself, that's why Pakman reacted the way he does. You just look for all possible negative outcome when the government makes a decision on money. It's not about the government making a decision about your daughter, it's about every child regardless of the wealth of their parents being able to go to college.

[@Joefest99]

@@Rationalreason777 And here we go! This is exactly the tactic I’m taking about. It’s like the person who says something that sounds perfectly reasonable if read from a transcript, however when it was actually stated, it was stated with a spiteful tone. The perpetrator can then say, “What are you talking about? You’re being overly sensitive. I didn’t mean it like that, all I said was…(restated in an acceptable tone). My point is that his tactics were disingenuous, yet it allowed himself the appearance of plausible deniability, so now I have to defend my calling him out from these disingenuous comments. He knew exactly what Pat meant by the initial statement, but we can play dumb and get nowhere collectively if you like.

[@Joefest99]

@@Peterdeskater100 I used to work in education. Government OFTEN decides which school your child attends.

[@MesserNomolos]

It’s called the Motte and Bailey argument fallacy. He has a habit of skipping around every single point and burying his opponent in minutiae. This strategy continually keeps the opponent off balance trying to clear up all the artificially introduced confusion while never being able to directly address the point.

[@sharpgage6512]

these two are like the greatest comedy act without even trying to be.

[@txterbug]

Is there a poll for that?!?

[@scottjohnson921]

Can anyone imagine being friends with this guy, or being his wife? completely crazy. He needs a wake up call on his know it all attitude

[@johnklsc2233]

I need to see the polls on this

[@AFuller2020]

He's a limo liberal.

[@mattaitken888]

and yet... you listened...

[@gbassaisaac7553]

@@mattaitken888 exactly I don't find him confusing

[@Andbil]

Know it all while deflecting from any real answers when someone else makes a good point. To him it is just "silly" because this manipulative narcissists need to deride you to prop themselves up, it is the only way their grift works.

[@jimcagney6696]

This guy makes Adam look brilliant!

[@SpontaneityJD]

underrated comment.

[@FloridaLivin_Christian]

😂😂

[@morriswatkins5667]

This podcast is conservative propaganda

[@SpontaneityJD]

@@morriswatkins5667 ur brain is oozing quackery

[@kmarshie]

That was spot on.

[@willcottrell6394]

The government needs to balance the books and eliminate programs that don't benefit the economy

[@mpup54]

well then the insiders pocketing all the extra money off the books would retaliate

[@ryanlundy148]

Did anyone notice how this all started??? About government funded college. And the question was asked “would you pay extra in taxes if you could decide where your daughter went to school. Or the government decide?”

[@isturbo1984]

Good God. Imagine being his wife or mother. "Honey, what would you like for breakfast?" "Well, that depends, what do you mean breakfast?" "Are you hungry, when did you get up?" "You mean how long was I awake? I was awake in bed a while before I actually got up." "Fuggit, make your own damn breakfast, David." "Well hold on, you didn't answer my question."

[@keemeister]

Now I see why people call him a weasel.

[@calstanke6170]

That's how you respond when answering the question truthfully dunks on your liberal views. Painful to listen to. PBD should never have this tds liberal beta on his show again.

[@mmafyasco]

meanwhile here’s how the conversation actually went: Pakman: Are you okay with paying more in taxes PBD: Have you ever lent anybody money?

[@conservaliberal]

comical how apes get frustrated when asked wtf they're talking about. do you understand how a conversation goes or do you just ramble from point to point without ever getting to the bottom of the first one you brought up? most likely you ask uneducated questions that when confronted with an educated answer you pull a PBD. talk over the top of someone and make a joke to hide the fact you're completely ignorant to the topic. one could imagine what its like to be around a know it all who knows nothing. brutal

[@jrparis114]

I guess you mean instead think like a Neanderthal and say I don’t care whatever will stop me from being hungry..lol 😂

[@SiLoMixMaster]

PBD: 'Hi David how are you doing today?" DP: Exactly what do you mean by 'doing'?

[@nashefore1912]

I laughed out loud😭

[@harijotkhalsa9496]

PBD: 'The government is like this orange...' DP: 'How so?' PBD: 'Nice sarcasm. Well, since you are obviously an apple lover, do you know the true cost of apples?' DP: 'What are we even talking about?'

[@DJ-ov2it]

Is it ok when Jordan Peterson does that but not ok when Pakman does it?

[@Revolution3030]

😂😂😂😭🤮

[@martinh1437]

Me personally, or my work persona?

[@user-us7es2oz1r]

First off our country needs to quit giving money to other countries as we have plenty of things that don’t get addressed or provided for.

[@KKOPPONG]

That’d be disastrous for you. America doing that protects American interests in those spaces commercially. Americas strength is influence. If you allow other countries to have that influence more than you then commerce gradually moves from you to them. China being in Africa having a monopoly on mined resources is why the Chinese car market has surpassed the US. Russia being a massive presence in the EU for energy means the sanctions the US imposed on them are virtually useless, how dire would the US influence in Europe be if they weren’t overspending on NATO alliances? If the US wasn’t on friendly financial terms with the Saudi’s historically this great currency dominance you’re slowly losing would have never gotten of the ground to begin with. The US doesn’t have a choice but to spend on countries because the minute they don’t they become useless instantly. You can’t point at a single thing the world would benefit from if the US stopped spending. What value would the IS be to anyone? YOUR economy is backed by our spending with YOUR dollar being the focal point. If you then spend all the money WE give you on YOURSELVES only then what reason do we have to cooperate with you?

[@user-uk7hf5oz8d]

That's always their go-to. Are you willing to give more taxes for good things? What happened to my other taxes that were for good things? They never do the right thing with your money. EVER. WHY DO YOU THINK THERE ARE CAREER POLITICIANS? THEY'RE ALL FIGHTING FOR THAT POWER SO THEY CAN TAKE MONEY.

[@jamesalvarado3961]

Once he started asking questions for the questions on multiple occasions just shows me he's not interested in honest dialogue.

[@maximustrolleus9860]

patrick ignored a lot of questions too

[@Mrtgv7]

So you have the same opinion of Patrick then because he did it way more

[@gerabadillo7889]

All he says is what do you mean by this and then he says what specifically? And goes with the tangent until he is told what he is saying and he says I didn't say that and then he tries to explain in super vague ways how they agree and are not so different. The guy tries hard to look smart by not being really interested in answering anything honestly because everything is so complex and minute to even start a discussion

[@jacksparrow3490]

One person is using logic and reasoning to determine facts.. the other is ignoring facts to determine logic and reasoning.. not hard to see who's who..

[@jeremyellismusic]

I’m a fan of Pat and he obviously answered with more questions and even explained that is how he answers questions; with questions. He does it every show. Have a nice day.

[@nbarealtalker]

This guy would make a great politician because he dodges questions in a much more enjoyable way.

[@robertgelley6454]

I see him completely irritating because he blames Patrick for his question dancing.

[@onemodapatia]

😂 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 30:18 😂 🎉

[@WizOWash]

DP wiped the floor with DBP. I’ve never seen DBP play gotcha. He was on the defensive throughout. He does not understand data. He could not back up his anecdotes with any substantive data.

[@PassengersMusic777]

Definitely a good obedient Democrat with apparent adhd

[@herealittlewhile7448]

​@@WizOWashunbelievable, DP is like trying to talk to a dog.

[@michaelperry7614]

What’s the poll on it ?

[@jasonaiken2]

This kid is very privileged and has never lost anything or been burned from what he says. He says give more but won’t let someone borrow his leased car, just pay more. I can’t stand people like him.

[@busterhoodstar6598]

Patrick: Ever have someone not pay you back? David: No Patrick: Ever been overcharged for something? David: Give me an example. Patrick: Ever have someone not do what they said they would do? David: Depends on the situation. Patrick: Ever have someone break your heart? David: I mean..., can you define "heart"? and again, No.

[@denniswilder3014]

It's the democrat mind set.they can't take things out of context they have to be told exactly what you mean they can't read between the lines.thats why they are so hung up on trumps disinfectant talking point.and don't forget these are the folks that put the warning on laundry soap to not eat it.

[@servantmichael2514]

The answers of a psychopath indeed.

[@DaleGribble1]

@@servantmichael2514 not a psychopath but rather someone who knows their own limitations and the game they play. Pakman knows how to make himself appear smart and how to work every conversation into a narrow hallway or under a microscope to keep up the intelligent appearance to his viewers. He needs to keep up (intelligent looking) appearances to make money.

[@francescoschettino5726]

@@DaleGribble1 sadly patrick doesn't know yet how to combat this behavior, fight fire with fire. I could write an essay on how to embarass people like packman. You gotta know what you're dealing with though. Topics have to be picked prior.

[@DaleGribble1]

@@francescoschettino5726 I don't watch this channel much and don't know how Patrick normally debates on politics but I thought Pat was fighting fire with fire and that's why David kept acting this way, to keep from losing control. It created the odd back and forth. Each one was throwing punches at their respective levels and wouldn't concede any ground. I think David would get obliterated by someone like Ben Shapiro and wouldnt even dare to go up against Jordan Peterson or Noam Chomsky. I only watched bit and pieces of the video. On his radio show Pakman covered up the 2nd and 3rd wave of riots in my city and others. I think he's sketchy trash.

[@AdamCourville]

The real nail in the coffin for me was finding out about the grace commission report. Not one cent of your income taxes go towards anything you expect that it pays for. It all goes to pay the interest on the national debt. And don’t even get me started on what created that debt out of nothing.

[@Dan16673]

@Google Sucks Ass high prices for all, they also have the pop out of large US city

[@donsaviano5957]

Abolish the Fed!!!

[@moopius]

Good to see someone else knows this piece of history... Notice it was never acted upon and has never changed!

[@khalilfuller4939]

Not surprising to me lol…big league macro stuff we’re trying run a country over here

[@mytruthslays1303]

@Google Sucks Ass norway is a capitalist society with social safety nets. Their tax rates and living expensives are thru the roof. You can find all this with an easy search, otlr find a norwegian online and ask.

[@steveclarke2072]

This is HARD WORK!

[@_bando_]

Change is needed in November.

[@earthling01]

This is a good example of a conversation most of us have with someone else. Often they can't formulate a thought or finish a sentence, mincing words so they look smart, and you appear without merit. Circular conversations, very frustrating!

[@martinh1437]

Just talk to someone else - say Excuse me, do you mind if I talk to someone else. Walk away

[@MegaAfrosheen]

Yeah pat was really bad here and would get pissed when he would pay it back

[@ivywoodxrecords]

Agreed. PBD is 100% convicted in his beliefs, they are grounded in real shit. This other guys lives in fairy land (probably brooklyn, North Chicago or a leafy suburb of ATL) However, I think PBD takes a limited view of government responsibility especially in America. Travel across this country you will see which states have higher tax rates, its in the quality of infrastructure. Look at the Rest Stops. The curbs, the pavement. All that shit is govt money dont forget it. The roads in Minnesota are 100x in quality vs Missouri. There is a reason for that.

[@ivywoodxrecords]

Actually the roads in MN can suck due to winter lol But there are high standards there vs other places, and it is due to the tax base. Also public education. Shit fucking matters man, taxes are important.

[@ivywoodxrecords]

I hate paying taxes too btw. Fucking hate it.

[@CryptoChef99]

He got him right from the start " You're living in a Frickin Utopia"

[@jacksparrow3490]

Its called a cult..

[@genericdeveloper3966]

Wealthy upper middle class liberal. Yup.

[@RiaSwiftHealing]

He missed the deeper aspects. Patrick is dense.

[@dijonpsalm6938]

It's is a utopia, but give it some years. Rome was considered a utopia once.

[@CryptoChef99]

@@RiaSwiftHealing agreed

[@DGregster]

"Taxes are as inevitable as death." The only question is how much, what do we spend it on, and why? This is a question we should ask ourselves at the beginning of every fiscal year.

[@steveharmon3293]

I actually want to see a regular pod with Patrick and David. I believe it would work

[@rickesping1586]

The sad thing is it really doesn't matter how much taxes they take in. Our government spends far, far beyond what it takes in, in taxes.

[@godbyone]

We have to send Ukraine 2 trillion.

[@jthomasmack]

@@godbyonethat's a lie. Drop the source proving that. You can't but I'll wait anyways 😂

[@kathrynmcelroy5658]

the worst thing about our government is CORRUPTION. The obscene amount that is just spent on campaigns.

[@curiousgirl.4134]

Yes, they try to find ways to spend the money instead of having a steadfast spending budget

[@miketexas4549]

The REAL tax is inflation.

[@guitarlessonswith4480]

This guy is the epitome of why we're imploding. It's frightening.

[@DHEspana]

Why are the nordic countries doing so well?

[@toshland5687]

@@DHEspana Are they?

[@polishprincess8469]

@@DHEspana they're not!

[@Kpizzo]

Yeah Patrick really puts the d in dumb in this one… he can’t even remember what his guest was saying half the time. He reminds me of so many of our gop senators and congressmen these days. Big reason why we are imploding. Can we get someone who can think for more than 1 second at a time?

[@damon7562]

@@DHEspana So the only time you people will point out a country that is "doing better" is when that country is more white and has stricter immigration laws. 🤔

[@avideorecord3585]

Lol. When the govt spends money to grow stimulation… that money has to be repaid with an interest, no? If I have 1 dollar only… and I loan it to you with 10% interest… where do You get the 10 cent?

[@taylort8674]

David "no simple analogy can derail my playing dumb" Pakman

[@leevy6753]

"My willingness to be taxed" is exactly the problem. At some point, you won't have the "willingness" if you give them the power to tax you heavily. They will heavily tax you and spend how they wish no matter how much you oppose it.

[@adrianmachado1200]

They already do that bro

[@ezekiel5946]

Would you agree that they are already taxing us way too much?

[@leevy6753]

@@adrianmachado1200 Exactly!!!

[@leevy6753]

@Ezekiel They tax us enough if they spent it wisely. But they dont. And this guy would be okay with being taxed more if it went where he wanted. Firstly, that's wishful thinking. Secondly, he is basically saying he also wants US to he taxed more if it were applied to what HE approves. To that i say, go flock yourself.

[@trackingthecoreofstuffandm2310]

i much rather have my money go for a public service than go into the pocket of a globalist swap who lobby the government for more free trade agreements with china and try to turn this country into china by forcing corporations to suppress the wages of hard working Americans

[@TheRaininghope]

PATRICK: HAVE YOU EVER TAKEN A SHIT DAVID: Never took a SHIT in my life, WHAT IS THAT?

[@darekf77]

hahahahhh🤣

[@jgpinto]

😂

[@beng4647]

At a certain point... Patricks questions are dumb enough they don't deserve a response.

[@beng4647]

David : Are you ok with paying more taxes if healthcare and college are provided? Patrick : Have you ever taken a shit? David : I'm not sure what that has to do with taxes. Patrick : Wait...wait....just roll with me here. You know how it gets runny when you think too much milk? David : ok Patrick : Are you actually trying to say your shit is always solid? David : What does this have to do with taxes?

[@gbcolby]

Some programs have waste, but that does not mean the whole program is a waste. Eg. military has some wasteful tendencies, agreed, but we absolutely need it to defend the country and its interests around the world.

[@diegoolivarez1]

The fact that he couldn’t immediately answer that he could care for his daughter better than the government tells you all you need to know.

[@prosandconsfilms6933]

1000000%

[@Dino2GunZ]

He knows for a fact that isn't true but he also knows the parallel that Patrick was making and that's why he couldn't give a straight answer that's why he couldn't say that he would be a better parent he did it through this whole debate he's a smart guy he knows what Patrick is doing and he's trying to avoid getting trapped and it just comes off as he's delusional he's not typical moves from the left

[@rareosts5752]

Not only did he not immediately answer he actually said it depends. If I had to guess, I'd say he doesn't even really believe that, he was just intentionally being difficult and also he expects everyone else to submit to government, not him because he'll either be part of the nightmare government or have connections to it

[@rareosts5752]

@googlenazicompany5935 are you really asking that question?

[@justarandomdude6175]

There are a lot of people who would take worse decisions for them and their children than the government. It’s kinda silly that you think otherwise

[@blakesteen131]

How can someone defend the Government this much?!? So scary people think this way.

[@solhigh1]

If you had no Government you would have nothing. Government as an idea is great, the problem is that the people you guys vote in are corrupt. That doesn't make the idea of Government bad.

[@sareight]

It’s just laziness.

[@arrowslinger2460]

weird how when he asked for examples Pat couldn't cough up a single one....

[@AngelGonzalez-du7kn]

This foo shouldn’t have smart people on his show if he will get mad because he can’t make a point smh

[@o.j.brathwaite7134]

Because it is working for them and their lives, they care not about how others get to the bag they are protecting their own interests.

[@hcokiddtony]

The government is essentially a middle man for what you want. You will never get your money's worth when pay tax. It's like paying someone $1200 to buy you the iPhone for $999.

[@michaelminichini6651]

Great debate i feel like both made solid points

[@joseguzman5875]

Patricks analogies are all over the place....

[@michaellitten4538]

Not if you have a functioning brain 😂

[@ProofintheDoof]

I think David was pretending to not understand certain analogies (he is brilliant at doing this) so Patrick started reaching for all kinds of examples to get on the same page.

[@mikewoods1005]

Patrick isn’t debating in good faith. He’s using bogus analogies to paint David as a Biden supporter to deflect from his illogical views on Trump. Patrick always touts his rags to riches story yet supports a guy who would have kept him and his family from migrating to this country. I lost all respect for Patrick because he’s a rich dude that benefited from Trump’s policies and doesn’t care if the country went to shit because he can live anywhere he wants.

[@Zylothical]

@@mikewoods1005because Trump’s policies only benefited the rich? Comparing them to now, 2023 seems like a much worse time to be an average American, not just a rich one.

[@johnmullins1964]

Shows clearly Patrick has no idea to how debate but works in unclear analogies. I liked him until this video. Typical maga vague points

[@yohancesalmon618]

Sadly to say these are the type of people running our country. He is clueless and a fool. It was hard to listen/ watch this clip. Thanks for showcasing and having this hard convoluted conversation.

[@evan258]

Yep, they are in the highest forms of government and media and more are created in these woke colleges as well. These people think everyone else is stupid unless they are 100% lock step with them.

[@d3j3s3]

Pakman says not all government spending is bad, the host tried getting him to say otherwise. I agree it was hard to watch but for me it was all of the bad questions the host was asking

[@attackattack100]

Pat is the kind of long-winded, stupid example. Who remembers Joe Rogan calling him out on it because joe couldn't fallow his points, and Pat tried to explain, and joe interrupted him and moved the conversation along.

[@oliviakassis3600]

This is the perfect sckit for Saturday Night 🎉

[@bigmac2752]

Why should someone that does not go to college have to pay for those that do?

[@mannyg35]

College is liberal utopia

[@brianwalker4760]

The scariest part of this conversation is that this guy has 1.6 million minions following him.😢😢

[@marvelousssssss]

Minions is a good adjective, although I am sure a decent portion of them are also numpties

[@psychonautpupildiallater7734]

Bots

[@robertjackson7590]

It looks like they've shown up here to counter with their superior intellect. Sad, a product of our college education system.

[@WJBrown]

And Patrick couldn't give a specific answer on a specific program he doesn't like and you guys follow him lol 😆 😂 🤣..

[@psychonautpupildiallater7734]

@@robertjackson7590 I troll Pukeman’s channel on the regular, he gets a mix of TDS dullards of all stripes. But I think a majority of his subscribers are bots that he’s purchasing? Seriously. He does have a lot of comment traffic, but it’s a lot of “Love you David. Keep up the good work” crap. And he has a lot of elderly retired fans with nothing better to do, they’re real, cause I troll snd piss em off quite a bit.😉

[@brandonwesten5315]

Pat freaks out when he’s interrupted yet he interrupts David as much or more. And while freaking out says it doesn’t bother him. This guy is all over the place

[@calundoconteal6851]

I think Pat may have been a little too assertive here, but I believe his philosophies regarding how we should conduct the economy are grounded way more in experience and practical knowledge, rather then David Pakman's academic knowledge.

[@Ixnatifual]

Yeah, he's not interested in honest discussion. That's why he interrupts to veer off-topic before Pakman can answer.

[@Tavat]

@@timperesada4269 Pat is the kind of guy who beat up nerds in high school.

[@pcharm3711]

Majority of society

[@hashish2020]

@@Tavat Pat was definitely a nerd who got his ass beat and is now so insecure he acts like this

[@DrSamsHealth]

Unbelievable. It’s like talking to a door. Door is better, actually, it doesn’t deflect or argue for the sake of arguing.

[@amundbisgaard7295]

If the debt is increasing like it is, that's a clear sign of a wasteful government right there. Case closed.

[@KryptoGraphVideos]

Accountability is the key word. The government has zero accountability. If I don’t pay taxes, I go to prison. If the government squanders my tax money, they don’t face any consequences. They’ll just blame it on something else, and ask for more.

[@JT-gi8rx]

Exactly. Patrick could’ve worded it better. He should’ve said that if all of our tax dollars just went to essentials, or just went to what was promised during a campaign, then that’s one thing. But every time there’s a pile of tax money that gets squandered, and we had no say. People voted for Biden, but his platform didn’t say he was going to put through a multi-trillion dollar Covid stimulus package, which drastically drove up inflation. Or things like Canada’s Trudeau spends money on, like abortion programs in Africa. Stuff like that, NO ONE voted for. Stuff like the carbon tax he introduced, which cripples everyone financially, NO ONE voted for. When these powers don’t spend our taxes wisely, there’s not a lot of options for us as voters, because either we know that all political parties will do the same thing, or we have no choice but to put up with it because we consider the other party to be worse. The overall point being, once these parties are elected, they aren’t really accountable anymore, they can spend the money any which way they want, and there will be nothing us voters can do. Especially when the media is corrupted and twists the message.

[@ajaycyriljose9419]

Are you talking about government officials? Coz they have gone to prison in cases of corruption charges. Its the prominent bankers who caused the 2008 crisis who have never gone to prison.

[@KryptoGraphVideos]

@@ajaycyriljose9419 Im talking about the entire government apparatus. Sure, occasionally we have individuals who commit a bribery and other criminal offenses in the government. But there’s no accountability when it comes to government mismanagement of money.

[@ajaycyriljose9419]

@@KryptoGraphVideos And what is your solution for that? Abolish the government apparatus or bring the corrupt individuals to justice ?

[@KryptoGraphVideos]

@@ajaycyriljose9419 Reform the entire system. Because right now, a lot of the shady practices in government are perfectly legal. Hence the lack of accountability.

[@MarvinAndross]

Parkman I think did the most perfect representation of what it means to be a democrat. PBD: Can’t have spending without accountability. Parkman: What do you mean by Accountability?

[@maccusmc]

That's what intellectualism looks like. The details and context matter. Did you think the entire tax system could be explained and debated in 30 min?

[@derpestarzt]

​@@maccusmc "the entire tax system..." it's simpler than that, the government keeps doing an awful job at spending taxes and keeps getting us all in debt. If you continue giving money to someone who keeps on wasting it and getting themselves and you into more debt why the heck would u continue giving them money?? Lefties have such a weird needy relationship with government, like u guys literally believe the Estate is God lol.

[@alejandromarquez3526]

If you make a claim that we need accountability, you better have a good definition for accountability ready

[@KentBuchla]

Nice self-own, my dude.

[@johnnyceagles]

​@@alejandromarquez3526how on earth does one not understand that basic concept without an explanation? "No government program should spend a dollar without an accountability system setup." "DISAGREE!!!"

[@user-qc3gx9bn2w]

Listening to the first Q&A and you already know David Packman is out of his right mind

[@MO-sx7re]

Great conversation

[@johncocktoestone2435]

I convinced a friend to come out for dinner while he had no money to spend while unemployed. I paid for dinner to treat him and his wife. He then put $50 into a slot machine on the way out of the pub. I never payed for anything for him again. He's basically the government.

[@hebber1961]

Similar thing once with my niece and brother-in-law. He loaned her money for something fairly major and at a family outing she proceeded to make repeated trips to get instant pull tabs at the bar. He was seething. Some people have no concept of their actions.

[@d3maccus]

I wouldn't be too hard on them, some people have real issues gambling and are always broke and any dollar they have they think they can make it into more. Its not the like the guy is betting thousands of dollars and buying high roller hotel rooms or some shit.

[@marcusrosales3344]

@demaccus It's inconsiderate af though. I had drug addicts do similar things with me... They see your own money as disposable because it's NOT theirs.

[@stevepatterson10x]

The government is actually worse. Your friend, although they were low odds at least had a chance to make more money, the government doesn't the way they spend.

[@gugy68]

People who are broke for the MOST part waste money on stupid stuff.

[@webbie1891]

Truth to David Pakman, is like sunlight to a vampire

[@Etherchannel]

Did we watch the same video?

[@justopinions5919]

He's a creepy guy

[@j_jones_]

He’s the vampire and answering questions is the sunlight

[@scottwall8419]

His part is on the side of his head. He's not a human

[@Downey-2000]

@@Etherchannel Patrick is trying to communicate and David is trying to win a debate . Tipical conservative vs lib .

[@patmccormick9972]

Pat do you know the difference between the Group Rate vs Single?

[@vincequintana1642]

These guys love to throw out analogies that don’t make sense lol

[@ralphietwoshoes]

Parents: We can’t afford to buy you a new toy, things are tight right now, and we don’t have the money Kid: What specific toy can we not afford Parents: Any of them, plus all the toys we’ve bought you in the past have just gone to waste, we have too many toys already! Kid: But what specific toy do you have a problem with? It’s just obfuscation through asking for clarification. It’s a way to utilize the infinite potential granularity of details to position the conversation where he can be more rhetorically effective. Where Pakman fucks up here is that he isn’t positing a example which builds his own point of view, and PBD isn’t playing his game so he comes off as just trying to be combative.

[@Dino2GunZ]

Thank you I've been trying to put this into words and I couldn't even come close to doing it as eloquently as you so thank you good sir I thought I was the only one that seen what was going on here

[@pohoheli]

If you watched the whole interview as well he would always ask for specific numbers and stats for PBD. When PBD asked him for stats back from David when he made broad judgments and statements about conservatives he would either change the convo or say that it doesn't really matter and that PBD was just trying to muddy the waters essentially. Even though PBD was just using his own weapon against him.

[@carloseduardomondragon8052]

No it is not the same thing. What he is saying is that there are "toys" (bad metaphor btw) that we need to keep paying for in order to produce greater benefits in the future. An example of this is investing in education, which has a high likelyhood of repaying itself in the future and help you dig out of the debt hole

[@Droselover-hu1gt]

This is not what happened. Context matters. Pakman was making broad statements that didn’t require backing from data. Patrick’s statements did require backing from data

[@BD-me4nk]

@Carlos Eduardo Mondragón you are like Pakman, the metaphor is never good enough because it defeats your point. We know your point that we have no choice but to continue debt because one option (the wrong option) is to go further into debt to let someone else deal with it. Your side claims all victories and ignores losses.

[@stevejones8550]

There's 0 accountability with taxes. 0! What do you mean? Is there a federal audit of tax revenue? Ever?

[@TrevorLV702]

This is a perfect example of having as many college degrees as a thermometer but not being able to give an exact answer like the thermometer.

[@Axeheum]

😂

[@Mrtgv7]

Yet David didn’t give any exact answers what

[@Optable]

@@Mrtgv7 Literally his exact point

[@forgottenmorethanyoulleverknow]

Education is different than intelligence and this man proved it

[@dafaq7561]

The host here keeps coming up with analogies that are so child-like that it's basically framed in a gotcha style question. The guest has to untangle the analogy for 2 minutes before getting to an answer. And the questions are HUGE questions. They can't be put bites with any sort of honesty.

[@calebdanny2427]

Pats a BEAST!!!! Pacman does with all his interveiws, unless hes got data in front of him he can NOT function!!! Lol he a computer not a human smfh. Love Pats transparency!!!!

[@stanz7193]

In Quebec Canada literally 80% of my pay goes to some form of tax and government fees such as license plates ,permits ect . This is property taxes , school tax , carbon , property , carbon tax every tax but capital gains . If Include capital gains (punishment for saving already taxed income). If I factor capital gains as money taken off my pay its now 120% taxes. And what do I get for it ???? There's no family doctor ...health care in Quebec is third world.