It's EASY now【Fighting Commander OCTA】

[@QriousIgloos]

When you said "all you wanted to know was, can you cheat?" I felt exposed

[@ClaytonMathisVO]

As someone who loves playing in arcades but also has played mostly on pad this controller looks perfect for me.

[@FahmiZFX]

The difficult part isn't the execution of the move as is, the difficult part is the consistent implementation of the move during the match -- primarily in block punishing and whiff punishing.

[@JonathonTheAsshole]

The hard part is executing it on Kazuya where 90% of his offense relies on doing perfect EWGF's. And you can kinda already cheat this on a keyboard or hitbox where it's super easy to do the inputs.

[@kibbylol]

@@JonathonTheAsshole u cant cheat it on keyboard or hitbox, only ewgf

[@rpgtimefire]

No the execution is what makes that difficult. When your not confident nervous under pressure performing an ewgf is difficult. Even pros still get dicks and df2s.

[@Pac_Appl21]

​@@JonathonTheAssholeLate but pewgf's aren't necessary at all

[@richardsinclair7661]

@@Pac_Appl21 Seriously. People who say pewgf's are necessary or "90% of Kaz's offense" have either never played the character and only have an idea of how they think the character should be played, or they're the same crowd that learns to wavedash in green ranks cuz they think it makes them good.

[@dannyboyyyy]

Treat this as a petition for nihongo gamer to learn how to do the electric without cheating

[@Sam-kj9ui]

Electric isn't that hard tbh.

[@MarooTK]

@@Sam-kj9ui the hard part is to do it consistently every single time you wanted to.

[@rickyhill2886]

@@Sam-kj9ui Fun fact you don't know. PEWGF and EWGF are very different moves. EWGF is easy, we can all do a dragon punch. You can punish with PEWGF, you can't with EWGF. PEWGF might be the hardest bread and butter move in fighting games to do consistently. You have to frame perfect to get the opportunity to frame perfect.

[@intellectic9155]

@@rickyhill2886 C'mon dude. It's easy AF. There's got to be some command grabs in other fighting games that are much harder. DOA had some crazy hard command grab combos. PEWGF is cake by comparison. TFOH...

[@rickyhill2886]

@intellectic9155 my bad I forgot your perfect g. 👌🏼

[@sbh_tx]

For those of y’all who have no idea why this move is so hard I’ll give you a breakdown. The EWGF (Electric Wind God Fist) is a great move. It’s safe on block, has a quicker recovery than a God Fist, Additionally Electrics launch on hit giving fat combos. So what’s the catch? Electrics are a just frame move. You have to input the DF and 2 on the same frame or the Electric becomes a God Fist which is not safe on block. It is easily one of the hardest moves in Tekken if not fighting games as a whole. Electrics are required to play Mishima characters at the highest level. Also unlike the Shoryuken which shares its input motion with the EWGF there is no shortcut to do a EWGF. So if you want to do one you have two options: 1. Get Gud 2. Buy the Fighting Commander Octa and body fools

[@coutiya2007]

electrics aren't just safe on block, they're advantage on block +5. down side is it's a high and high execution

[@guiforster]

@@coutiya2007 its not one of the hardest moves in Tekken, its just a hard move like many others

[@Zyraphina]

Nice explonation. For me i needed such time to learn this move on my Fightstick.

[@YourTamedLion]

I am a arcade Stick user who has put in a lot of training into learning Devil Jin ( wavedashing, electrics, wavedash cancel into ws2 etc ). But now I really think about buying thus Controller, for a friend and maybe my favorite niece. ( Ps5 Controller apparantly ist not the best for fighting games ). I love the execution in Tekken, but not everyone is like that and also it is a big hurdle to overcome for beginners.

[@JorgeHighwind]

If I remember correctly, the Tekken World Tour rules prevented players from having two different inputs for directions, which makes this controller and Hitbox' Cross|Up impossible to exploit. In ranked though? You can do whatever you want. Although I think developers should force players to choose between the d-pad and the left stick when customizing controls. Tekken for some reason lets you choose one, the other, or both at the same time. Other games just read both and don't care about your controller layout

[@Hiiiro]

I think EVO has a deal with Hitbox regarding the CrossUp. I agree though, it does need to be decided one way or another.

[@BikerMiceOne]

That would be dumbs since any ps controller can do this

[@MrSujano]

Here to read the angry comments 😂 Great video as always!!!

[@Scragg-]

I get why people don’t like the cross up now.

[@KaliburJP]

Devs hate him! He gets EWGF 1000% of the time Using this ONE CRAZY TRICK

[@DKUmaro]

For many tournament players, it seems, the right controller is the one where it is needlessly hard to perform moves and it should always take more time for new players to master them instead of making them more comfortable on a controller (ease the pain of long training hours) and easier to perform. Button mapping doesn't lower the amount of buttons needed to press, they make the buttons easier to perform in sequence by moving them to a different position. One could argue that remapping the standard control scheme for starcraft is cheating because the commands aren't all over the place now and way easier to reach.

[@rpgtimefire]

Button mapoing def powers what you have to press. Esp if you play games where you have to press two buttons at once or buffer in inputs.

[@megadic4165]

I'm glad you're alive. I haven't seen your stuff in a while.

[@joshuatheawesome9440]

“This is supposed to be hard” You have no idea

[@ashtar3876]

Even on keyboard it is hard

[@BazedSlavaryan]

@@ashtar3876 nah it's easy you can set up 2 directions and cheat the same way on keyboard

[@ashtar3876]

@@BazedSlavaryan still not that easy, i could get it about once every 10 times

[@BazedSlavaryan]

@@ashtar3876 then you just suck or do something wrong, cause even a toddler could push forward, neutral, hold down and press the other forward that you put next to 2 so that you can press them together even with one finger

[@EliteAaron]

@@ashtar3876 same thing on keyboard

[@aspol15]

I just want this controler to beat the storyline of KOF XDD With the arcade stick I still have movement input errors

[@bruceg22000]

I hope the d-pad durability has been improved over the original fighting commander. That's the biggest complaint that I have seen when reading reviews of the original product.

[@MarcelVincent]

there is actually an input shortcut for this move built into the game.. you only need to press forward then downforward.. you dont need to input down at all.. you just have to make sure neutral happens between the F and DF, similar to the double tapping of DF in street fighter to get an easier shoru

[@NihongoGamer]

Really? I’ll have to give that a try

[@coutiya2007]

@@NihongoGamer that only works for Kazuya because he has a mist step. that is the input for the perfect electric. it doesnt work with jin, dvjin or the old man. and no, it is not easier to do

[@dansolo6417]

pad version of the cross up!

[@LodanZark]

The profiles are stored inside the game pad memory or in the drivers application? I'm asking this because I'm concerned about having to use the gamepad in different devices and preserving the same settings.

[@CineGoodog]

Someone wants to cheat in local tournaments it seems

[@LodanZark]

@@CineGoodog not really, I am a Linux user, and I don't mind use windows in a virtual machine to set up settings profiles into gamepad into internal memory, and then using it in any device without worry about it. Most input devices software aren't supporting other operating system aside windows and some cases MacOS...

[@nawm8]

@@LodanZark Ayyyyyyyyy, fancy seeing you here! From what I've noticed it's not stored in the game pad memory.

[@kraventhehunter1495]

I’m so excited to receive my octa.

[@re1gnff376]

Hi, Tekken 7 allows you to remap absolutely any controller you use like this inside the game without the need for additional software, just check options and controller settings, it is possible to make any button as any input you want (except for ps button on ps4 controllers) Also this doesn't really simplify EWGF like everyone's thinking, sure it makes input more precise and clean, but what makes this move actually hard is doing it with proper timing of neutral between forward input and down down forward 2 on the same frame. Since you're familiar with fighting games, you should know that punishing certain frames with inputs like this can be hard, you can try it out yourself, record Jack's df2 into holding B for block, the move is -14, 14 frames is the fastest input for ewgf for all mishima characters, with kazuya being an exception, he can do it in 13f. Try punishing that move, regardless if you have remaped controller or not, it doesn't really simplify it to the point, where it would make a huge difference. Awesome review of this controller btw, tho i wish i could see the insides of it as well, anyway great content dude, keep it up :)

[@vitalcontact8113]

tekken doesnt allow you to remap directions poser. this is cheating.

[@re1gnff376]

@@vitalcontact8113 i wonder if you even have a game bought, since in options menu it is literally written "BUTTON MAPPING" where you can change directions on both dpad/left stick to assign it to any button you want on your pad/keyboard just like it's shown in the video, same thing can be done with other buttons.

[@vitalcontact8113]

@@re1gnff376 no dude your wrong about this, im looking at it right now. the devs would never allow you to cheat out electrics and back dash. that stuff is supposed to be hard. ur really embarrassing yourself right now

[@Wilhuf1]

On the 8bitdo pro 2 you can just record the input chain to a macro, then assign the macro to one button, such as a paddle. So now I can double quarter circle forward + ABK with one paddle press, no problem. Take that, Soulcalibur V. I picked a low-cost fighting stick (PDP Xbox 360 versus) for my six-button pad. The switches are super responsive. Downside is no double analog sticks so no good with Rivals of Aether. BTW my old original chonky Xbox controller has dual analogs, a dpad, and six buttons on the face. A simple Xbox controller to USB adapter lets me use it on modern systems.

[@dropgodanju3949]

Interesting but applying this style if you already have muscle memory on the pad its kinda funny because you'll easily forget the new set-up but never the less very interesting and very unorthodox like my gameplay

[@totallylegitscientist7580]

I can prefect electric in Tekken quite often, but you know, this thing... It scares me D:

[@Craft2299]

To me, this feels more like it exposes the difficulty of motion inputs, technical inputs in general for fighting games. Some players feel like hitstickboxes are better, and now more movement based inputs for buttons.

[@jaymailk5733]

This is pad is great but it wouldn't feel rewarding doing electrics that easily. The main satisfaction is from learning the precise speed of execution, this definitely cheapens it.

[@M4RCK5]

U can do that using remapping option in steam input, but idk if that would be tournament legat bc u cant have multiple buttos mapped as the same input (except for the crossup if the lever keeps being an analog input) if not wrong ofc (unless u use button modifiers in steam for example to emulate socd cleanner via software)

[@Bigzoe202Gaming]

Next do the omen wind godfist. Same as ewgf but it's with fdf+1

[@frostb1041]

Nihongo : can you cheat? Yes you can Me : *M.Bison style* YES!

[@alfalfasprout69]

Legendary info!!! I’m buying this pad

[@stengon2603]

Hey a question, what do you think is better, this one or the razer raion? Doesn't the sitck gets is the way if you are only using the pad? Is the other pad clickiness? thanks and great video

[@bodiggity_8615]

Quarter circles on this thing feel impossible to me, I hate it.

[@acadow4619]

Might be a little late here but, I got mine today and I'm wondering how you changed the D pad to the triggers. When I change the triggers to the directional pad the directional pad remains the directions too. Anyone else have this problem?

[@NihongoGamer]

The software was updated to allow free button mapping of the triggers without affecting the d-pad. Not sure if they plan to allow free mapping of the d-pad too.

[@Lenreiv]

"Can you cheat ?" Me, trying to find a solution to a handicap in my hand : "wait what ?"

[@spookzdoublez2189]

Can the ps5 version do the directional button mapping as well?

[@Sealae80]

No

[@Zyraphina]

The Electric Wing God Fist normal is difficult even with looking very easy here. I needed quite some time to learn that Move on my Fightstick. Cause the Imput must be Frame perfect.

[@jesuspalacio3949]

Can you test it in tekken 8? Cause tekken 7 its also for ps4. You can play with ps4 pads to tekken 7 but not tekken 8. That would awesome to know before buy it

[@josesoldevilla3092]

hmm interesting does the custom mapping be saved or does it require the app to fully customize to use it

[@Lordgenichiro]

n I'm thinking of buying a Mayflash f 500 flat arcade stick. What do you think it would be like for Tekken? Sleeveless, just buttoned?

[@mariocandello2890]

Do you know if I can charge down left with Guile in USFIV, then do the FADC (focus atack dash cancel), and following by Ultra 1, with this d pad set up?

[@hardcoreparaloscamellos]

Hola. Sabes si este gamepad es compatible con un Tv Box (Android) en RetroArch??

[@JackStanleyRoberts]

What happens if you use that for Mortal Kombat And Injustice?

[@kyplys3695]

Im not a professional at any fighting games i would say but if you went to like a local tournament or any type of fighting fame tournament would they allow this controller?

[@DerpyPloo]

They would likely allow it, but you probably wouldn't be able to do any remapping outside of what the game itself offers.

[@nelsonglinton]

When you demonstrated that there's a gap in movement for the backdash that you were trying to do you did the wrong inputs. Back,back is the regular back dash, and down,back,down+back over and over again is the Korean backdash.

[@Pablo_Sanchesz]

Wait cant the assist menu do the exact same thing on tekken 7?

[@badcat8162]

What is the best profile for fighting games?

[@AresGod0fWar]

Funny. I decided to load up Tekken yesterday for a little bit myself. I tend to stick to 2D fighters. Just wanted to work on a couple things since I don’t play it much. I didn’t feel like using my stick so I used my Raion. Somehow I got the touchpad to start acting like a D-Pad. I didn’t even know it could do that. Lmao so I was trying to KBD with it. 😂😂 Then the touch pad all of a sudden stopped acting like a dpad for some reason. That’s good to see that we’re getting more controllers with buttons like that. Edit: because of my recent discovery with the touch pad I decided to mess around with the configuration of the controller on Steam. When I used to play MK11 and do the towers, one thing that pissed me off was that I couldn’t call assists on my controller/fight stick because of no analog stick. The only way an assist works is to flick the right stick in a specific direction. I had no idea I could map my touchpad to do this. Now I’m curious to see if the razer panthera can do something similar. I think the touch pads might me a tad different though.

[@tizianomerello6530]

Is possible use normal dpad for movement +side buttons or I have to use analog only? Try if korean backdash works on paul too!:)

[@fishsohorny]

Most pad players use the Dpad. And Paul can KBD, he just has to do the correct strict version, the lazy one just gets backsway

[@asim71994]

Does anyone know if you can do this with the victrix pro bfg

[@bena5150]

ok you sold me! im buying!

[@joseavendano2827]

Is the analogue stick configurable? Like, can it be forced to only register the 8 directions and ignore the full 360 degree analogue range in the software? That would make it very reliable I think

[@p99chan99]

????? You mean the analog stick having digital inputs instead of analog? i guess? But damn that question is mega vague.

[@joseavendano2827]

@@p99chan99 yeah, I don’t really know how to explain it, forcing it to act as a dpad. That can be done on the Steam controller settings, but only on PC, a global profile would be a lot more confortable on tourneys and on console.

[@p99chan99]

@@joseavendano2827 It's just making the analog inputs into digital ones. just like how some controllers can make the triggers frrom analog to digital, to instantly input.

[@joseavendano2827]

@@p99chan99 Perfect decription. I hope that the accompanying software has that capability, I haven’t read anything about it.

[@ceebee4564]

I'm too stupid in FGs to cheat. That controller just looks clean to have for platformers and whatnot. Going to have to pick one up!

[@Neoxon619]

I’m surprised that this controller doesn’t have a PS5 variant.

[@DeisFortuna]

I mean, that's currently just a "yet" thing, as this getting a PS5 version is likely inevitable and it's just a matter of time. That and releasing an Xbox version first technically gives them a larger amount of people who are likely to buy it because PC players would also buy it due to Playstation controller support on Windows having always been kinda jank.

[@SiegmundX]

There's no third party controllers for the PS5, so I would assume Hori doesn't have a license for PS5 yet or Sony haven't released any devkit so other companies can make devices for the PS5. They probably want to sell Dualsenses as much as they can.

[@nogoodchad4473]

do you think with all the sodc scrubbing requirements that this is gonna still be a tournament legal pad??

[@dylanlourens]

I still have my street fighter V madcats controller. The design is very similar to this one.

[@luiscasas7744]

Wish this controller was for the Switch. Would really like your review for the 8bitdo SN30 Pro+ controller, or the updated SN30 Pro 2. Its $50, able to switch the Dpad & Left analog input, and works for android, Windows, and Nintendo Switch. .

[@LS-td4yf]

Just buy an adapter

[@luiscasas7744]

@@LS-td4yf there are adapters, what kind?

[@Emjoez]

@@luiscasas7744 I think 8bitdo has an adapter for sale

[@LS-td4yf]

@@Emjoez I think he meant for the wired controller in the video

[@luiscasas7744]

@@Emjoez for the fightpad controller?

[@bigdaddygibbs251]

How does the dpad feel???

[@xooommm5656]

Does this controller work with street fighter 5 because I have a normal Xbox controller and when I tried to play it there wasn’t enough buttons for moves

[@BryanFury-i8z]

Will This Work On Android Phone Using OTG Cable

[@truthseeker9070]

So you can easily execute shing wizard or CD 1 for armor king?

[@imhoXD]

Can i move forward with shoulder button and down on dpad?

[@samuelvanetten4324]

What are the other controllers who can do this?

[@jasonsalo4845]

I find it funny calling it cheating when the third rule that applies to SOCD cleaning was going to get removed at the end of April not only that but you could do the same thing with stock PlayStation controllers you will get a hand cramp because you got to hit the D pad as well as the analog stick and they also allow remappable buttons in tournaments I have also did this with vantage2 controller to play Tekken but I did wish for that game to remap the back buttons and that here they would have the d-pad and analog stick in the original PlayStation position for at least fighting games only

[@WinterIsWolf]

Question can you have the profile lets say 2 or 3, and then use it on a PS4 - PS5 or on Xbox with these profiles? I do participate on local tournaments and i want to know if you can make profiles or save them and then head to the locals and perform them

[@samuelvanetten4324]

Are more controllers where you can do this with?

[@mismagia]

Would be cool to see a game designed with this in mind

[@slicksmokegaming9857]

Did the firmware fix the dpad issues?

[@KewlAlexYT]

I love the original hori commander but damn is it annoying not having a analog stick for training mode purposes

[@Matt123Chez]

say I'm a D-pad player, can the analog directions be remapped to the shoulders instead or can this only be done using only the analog stick?

[@stiffybeanie4148]

Bro every button is remapable! Source:I own it

[@aghilesbessad6946]

doesn't matter how good you can execute the commands or having perfect kbd,auto low parry etc if you're bad at the game, you'll get rect anyways

[@shinonimi]

I like this and want to see more controllers like this. Also want more settings. XD

[@Goteiii]

Nice, problem is, what happens when you end up on P2 side?

[@AresGod0fWar]

???? Left bumper instead of right. Lol

[@ragnarmeh8156]

Do we have a commander like this for PS4?👀

[@ragnarmeh8156]

Nvm i found your video on one mb

[@bestfighttvSFVCE]

Hello Does the gamepad have turbo features?

[@NastyNazz]

Do u have the website for the software it seems like I can’t find it anywhere

[@David_Onyx]

I'd love to know how's the audio quality of headphones when you plug them into the controller. I had controllers with the same feature and the audio sucks real bad.

[@SiegmundX]

Probably not much different considering that those are low powered audio chips on a controller. Better to stick to a dedicated DAC and AMP if you want good audio quality.

[@YXiao]

Does the move come out if you do →↘↓↘ instead of →*↓↘？

[@addressunknown7875]

no

[@YXiao]

@@addressunknown7875 thanks!

[@sbh_tx]

Nope. No shortcut inputs for electrics like Dragon Punches. Tekken is really anal about their inputs cuz each character has like 150 moves. Check out Avoiding The Puddle. He did a lot of videos for tekken noobs back in 2017-2018. Explains stuff like button buffering, backdashing, throw breaks, sidestep. Also if you have a pc you can download TekkenBotPrime to see a frame by frame breakdown of your inputs

[@ヘザイク]

Is this the only controller that have dpad n analog?

[@kingartifex]

tournaments: leroy is allowed also tournaments: we cannot allow double directional imput All jokes aside, I don't think this is looking too well for tournament regulations, at least for tekken. because kids, arcade sticks with macro buttons are ok, but allow the "rabble" who doesn't play this game as job to do KBD, and everybody loses their mind!

[@AchillesxHeal]

is this controller tournament legal for majors?

[@RhoFGC]

WGF is -10, EWGF is +. Overall frame data is way better.

[@huyget]

Dose this have turbo ?

[@percivall7890]

Is that work on Tekken 8 to get easy wavedash ?

[@famusp1991]

Yes I have it now tried n I’m getting perfection 🫡

[@Lingerminator]

So a controller that breaks the competing aspect of a competitive game. Great stuff.

[@waltdisneypixar]

does it have turbo?

[@1upgaming703]

Is it working with pc ?

[@yareyaredaze588]

the return of tekken 7 may the mixbox rest

[@abedkamali5025]

How to do it with keyboard

[@s0lidrav3n0us9]

Why is this cheating again? I’ve been reassigning my R1 and L1 to right and left directions for years in fighting games. A lot of controllers allow this. I’m sure others have thought of this before as well.

[@アンディカ-y5b]

Can you use it on PS4 with some converter?

[@Huizar]

Wingman XE

[@hollowedboi5937]

Now with modern mode you can just do it with a single button

[@artofgarduno]

what is that?

[@Haxzilog]

is this controller out in the market ??

[@exmo7]

I need this for Ps4. I use the thumbstick, just easier for me, but the way the Dpad is here I'd def consider using it.

[@goshu7009]

This looks like the Sega Mega Drive controller, but with side buttons :P

[@babygrockle]

Tekken test? Wow thanks dad 😤👌

[@serjturischev9557]

Raijin of Hayate, do this with this controller))). The most difficult and precise combo throw))

[@jlamico3629]

Available for ps4?

[@proto7310]

I really wish these pads were wireless

[@allheartsu]

wired have better input speed and less lag tho

[@Plasmaghost1305]

Makes me want to buy one

[@JoNNyCLOUD171]

It's mad all the "boomers" that hated all the newer ease of use features and inputs so all controller types can become viabale and much closer in fairness but then refused to use a control pad at the time because, 1) They were SO MUCH worse. 2) Didn't allow you to do shortcuts unlike a stick 3) Actuate buttons faster becasue of having multiple fingers that are also closer to the desired button 4) Had faster inputs for the generation at the time (Ps1 controller on the Ps1 etc) Then they are all started using a Hit Box and now Fight Box BECAUSE, it is effectively cheating in comparison to other input methods. That WILL become the defacto standard. FAR easier inputs, more shortcuts, less hand fatigue, and overall faster for reactions (this is the biggie). Don't give me any of this crap about the steering wheel guy either. He just used the controller in the middle and not the wheel gyro. What they were REALLLLLY saying is "this is my safe space and my ego can't handle you coming in and pressing me. I just want all the advantages and all the glory". Obviously not all of them were like that but a good number. SF6 has probably never had such a close race for which controller is best or should I say no controllers are so obviously disadvantaged despite them still having disadvantages.

[@jasonpypsaeris4643]

Why is that move so hard it’s basically a sf dragon punch

[@DaScrewUp]

Electric version hard. One of the hardest in fighters. Its a just frame move you have to press down/forward and punch (2) at the same exact time. Actually using it in a fight effectively outside of practice is difficult.

[@dognote1554]

The Tekken Community is going to lose it that's for sure