Which Fight Pad is the Best?

[@MiguelMorales-ny3xd]

I had no clue you were into fighting games at all, always good to see members of the throwing community with the interest. My vote goes for the Hori fight commander 4, before switching to stick it was my go to over the other options.

[@stephenparlin9361]

Great coverage of these fight pads. Very helpful, thanks!

[@diamondhunter7826]

bro just said a d-pad would be good for smash 💀

[@pavelmatusu4457]

It would be technically possibly with a modifier button to switch between tilt and smash. The missing c stick would hurt tho

[@mezomoza7]

Sega controller has the best d-pad I have ever touched

[@permanentfacelessness]

It’s absolutely fucking GOATED

[@Ejp23_]

What’s it called?

[@akeem2983]

​@@Ejp23_ Is the question about 8bitdo M30 controller or is it about controllers that it tries to replicate: Sega Mega Drive, Sega Genesis and Sega Saturn controllers?

[@LolaliciousSmiley]

This is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks for the excellent overview!

[@SuperLemonlord]

Great video. I was actually considering the Razer one, but then I saw this review and you saved me a big price tag. I play charge characters, mainly bison and sliding my thumb from back to forward for scissor kicks and psycho blasts would be impossible with the disc dpad.

[@ximon4410]

Yeah I just returned mine. Got it as a refurb on Amazon for only 30 bucks so not a bad deal. It felt really nice and I loved the clicky D Pad. I play DBFZ and although there aren't really any charge moves it's impossible to super jump on it. That even trying to block low is insanely difficult

[@GouFPS]

@@ximon4410 you had the rev1 version of the pad, they silently released an update with a pivot because rev1 pads well.. had issues. Your refurb was 100% a rev1 pad.

[@ximon4410]

@@GouFPS Bro funny enough after I left that comment I ran into a guy with the updated one at a tourny. I didn't know about it so I was like bro how can you even use that thing and told me it had a pivot. I went back on Amazon and ordered another one and loved it. Unfortunately the d pad inputs started to just go out after so much usage and now you can't find them anywhere. Especially for as cheap as I paid for mine

[@Lazar-ox5bd]

the Razer Raion has an updated model with a pivot, but razer didn't tell anyone about the pivot, so you gotta hope that the barcode with the S/D is at least PM2052 or newer if you want a pivot

[@Cryemoar]

Just a heads up for people wanting to buy the razer, it will cancel your directional inputs bc if the micro switches. This can be an issue in games like SFV or where you’re holding down back and trying to do motion inputs while doing so, you’ll either get hit or won’t get your motion inputs at all. I imagine it’s a nightmare for charge characters too, but for NRS players this shouldn’t be an issue since block doesn’t require holding back/down-back

[@godslayerbiotch43]

They have the pivot now tho right?

[@labibahasan8302]

@@godslayerbiotch43yes the newer models got changed to pivot

[@TheRealDustinNunn]

There are complaints from Amazon customers that say that the PowerA Fusion fight pad controllers for Xbox One, Switch and PS4 act up a lot.

[@JadenHybrid]

Honestly that 8bitdo 6 button I have and yes that dpad is the best one. Hands down.

[@marikomatsumoto4511]

6 button, smaller sega's D-pad, 2 analog, LR, analog trigger LR, (and touchpad maybe). That would be perfect joypad. Strange, no company ever make that one.

[@Prince.Mykal.Vision]

Retro bit was supposed to be making that exact controller, but it still hasn't materialized since they announce it in 2019.

[@EXPeepik]

​@@Prince.Mykal.Visiontwo months after your comment they showed a _interesting_ physical version of the controlller and after that im pretty sure we saw nothing

[@Uploader-001]

I just wanna add that Fightpads would be pretty bad for smash, Ive tried them out and you need analog input for things like tilts.If anyone is thinking about these for Smash bros it just doesnt work. Beyond that though I can personally say the M30 is amazing for fighting games and when its broken in you can do really fast 360 inputs for characters like R.Mika and Zangief

[@Uploader-001]

Also with a Brooks adapter you can use it in PS4

[@baphometic8767]

Gamecube controller is def the way to go for smash, but I'm curious to see how you could play with the raion. It's dpad is 8 directional, which seems like it would work for smash with a bit of practice.

[@killagram2261]

I actually use a fightpad for smash. I have used the fighting commander and the 8bitdo m30 with no issues. Is there a learning curve? Sure. But using them has proven to make my inputs cleaner, and performing tech such as b reverses and wavelands and even wave bounce is considerably easier with dpad in my opinion. Less travel time than an analog stick for sure

[@Danny-ky9tc]

We are talking about fighting games here. The Smash tourney is outside of Jack in a Box.

[@MrSamuelAdam4]

I every single one of these pads but the Razer one. Don't let the PowerA pad fool you. The build quality is not good for $60. It's hollow inside just like the Hori pad but fightpads don't need to weighty. It's just a board with buttons. The PowerA pad feels heavy because it uses magnets for the face plate & to weigh down the controller to make it feel like it's not made out of cheap crap. It actually is. I opened my PowerA pad up & I've seen other videos showing exactly what I found what was going on inside of it. It's a glorified $20 / $30 at best. It just looks & feels good & that's it. Depending on your hand size I would go with the Retro-Bit, 8BitDo, or the Hori controller. At least with the Retro-Bit you can use original parts Sega parts with it.

[@derekfcc]

Hori WAS cheap. Got 2 when they were under 50. By far, my favorite controller w/o analog sticks. Great for RetroPie and great on a 360 w/ the right adapter

[@jacobprayer8656]

For anyone wandering about these m-30 fight pads they're really good however it's mandatory to put a 5/32 ball bearing underneath the d-pad so you don't push in all four inputs at once and add a pivot

[@Breaknoon0]

The Fusion A pad is top tier imo

[@preamstrikbiz0]

It’s my favorite of all the 6 button spread controllers the Fusion A. I’ve had it since release but I’m waiting for my d pad to snap and it’s coming close as of recent and I switch up too between the razor ion , hori fighting commander pro and the standard hori fighting commander and the mad catz SFV pad . Any session now my powera is gunna have the d pad snap and I mainly play as shotos , if not charge characters

[@TheOneAndOnlySame]

I was searching for a clickey dpad like the neogeo CD's.. bam, razer Raion. Thx for the video !

[@SpikeValentine]

I wire the 8-Bit Do M30 2.4g using a longer cable from an X-Box controller. It's been my go-to control since 2020.

[@keepitretrox]

You can make it wired?

[@SpikeValentine]

@@keepitretrox yup

[@tomfoolery2964]

I just use the wireless sega saturn controller from retrobit on my xbox. Works phenomenally!

[@Robin_Raghunandan]

Awesome breakdown video! I actually have the HORI and a usb sega saturn controller that works perfectly. Can't beat the classics. But these were all good just by the looks and sounds of them.

[@marcelmeyer6857]

The PS2 ASCII FT2 is pretty much the best thing on the planet. have fun finding a copy tho.

[@preamstrikbiz0]

I’m surprised you give it so much praise , mine does horrible dragon punches and half circle motions which are notorious with those pads to carry those issues

[@TheFrenchy82]

If I may, regarding the 8bitdo controller : you choose the M30 (bluetooth ) and not the M30 2.4G (wireless) (= much better connection, les lag..)

[@genesissmith8833]

The 2.4g is better?

[@TheFrenchy82]

@@genesissmith8833 If you check on forums, YES, 2.4G technology has a faster response... BUT.. If you like to "hook" your controller with all your usual electronic items (smartphone, tablets, computers, etc.) Bluetooth has a big advantage. With a 2.4G technology , you need the proprietary dongle to use it and it's not always well recognized with some systems..... Now... if you are not a pro player of fighting games like Tekken , street fighter, etc. I don't think you will notice the difference.I also know that you can use your 8bitdo controller with a wire. Of course no latency with wire....

[@sebastienscheffel1897]

@@TheFrenchy82 si tu parles français,je peux te demander conseil?

[@TheFrenchy82]

@@sebastienscheffel1897 oui , si tu veux.

[@sebastienscheffel1897]

Je me casse la tête pour trouver une manette fiable avec un bon d pad pour jouer sur xbox one à ssf2t et qui n est pas en rupture de stock...Peut importe la provenance.Tout ce que je veux c est une bonne croix qui ne casse pas.J ai rien trouvé à part sur rakuten,la manette fight pad sf4 à 80 E à l air d etre la seule qui vaille la peine.Tout le reste n a pas l air fiable.Le probleme c est que je ne sais pas si et comment l adapter pour jouer sur one.Je suis degouté.Apparemment je dois me faire à l idée du stick arcade et je n en ai vraiment pas envie si ça ne va pas avec cette derniere manette concu pour la 360 a la base.C est une honte en 2022 de ne rien trouver de serieux.Les croix sont imprecises et casses!!!Si tu as une réponse merci!

[@4KGamingSMT]

The razer raion has fixed the dpad issue by putting a pivot point, also there is a mod you can do if you have the older model. Personally best for me

[@Meerlu]

OEM SLS Saturn USB .. So glad i bought a bunch back when they were $18.99 CAD new lol

[@jiggygrand]

I'll have to check out the Razer. I was considering a stick but I'm pretty sure the Razer would be a nice alternative.

[@throwsnbrews9516]

It depends on the game, but I can confirm I win more with the Razer than I do the others.

[@throwsnbrews9516]

@@yaboibSLT I'm sure I get beat by dudes who just use regular PS4 controllers, but its just what works for me.

[@roebro.44]

stick is fun

[@imohbalu]

Hi so did you buy the Razer. What do you recommend between Razer vs Power a fusion

[@RedRanger2001]

Well, the Hori Octa, but they only made it for the Xbox One and Series S and X for now, which means that you have to buy the Brook adapters to play it on the Switch and the PlayStation consoles, and the Saturn, the Dreamcast, Genesis, PC Engine (however, the Analogue Duo has two USB controller ports), NES, SNES...

[@preamstrikbiz0]

The hori octa is coming out for ps4/ps5 within the next couple of weeks as of recent

[@wyldelf2685]

Hey Brews , there's a dang good reason 3 of the 4 gamepads are shaped like SATURN gamepads 🎮😸👍👍

[@andremalerba5281]

I guess your main problem with MK on an arcade stick and block could be mitigated with the button layout from the MK2 arcades where the block button is on the middle like on the intersection of an X

[@ajthefunkmonster4767]

Fightpads are also bomb with Sega RPG's (Phantasy Star series, Panzer Saga, Shining Force)

[@christianschoerner2188]

This is a Great video since you go through pros and cons of the most popular controllers. I need an alternative to my arcade sticks since i get problem with my wrist nowadays. Had the Madcats Fightpad for 360 and liked that D Pad and since I mostly play Ken and found the Razer at the same price as the others I guess that is the best one for me. But since i love the Saturn so much perhaps i´ll end getting a Power A Pad to. Perhaps Cammys Hologan Combi (half cirkel works more perfect there.

[@inspector_beyond]

I kinda wish there were more gamepads that had PS style D-pads, because I use Xbox controllers (since 360) and it's basically impossible to play on them such games as Mortal Kombat and Injustice because their D-pad is way to wobbly, at least for me. THey made me switch to keyboard and gues what, a single button for the each direction is much better than a wobbly thing that will input wrong directions because you switched your thumb too fast.

[@superdumbstuff824]

Me: brings fight pad to gun fight

[@Scorpio1025]

I have the hori and the power a. I wish I could combine the hori buttons w/ the power a pad.

[@imohbalu]

Hi dear I am thinking of buying powera fusion vs Hori fc. What do recommend.. I am leaning. More for fusion? What do you think

[@Scorpio1025]

I think the fusion is slightly better for me personally because I like well defined diagonals but both are very good

[@joebiscit]

I'm not that great at all at DBFZ and I WANT so bad to be good. These a good step to get there? Any different? Cuz sometimes the moves I'm tryna do don't seem to work at all.

[@Nier2J]

Thank you. I will take the Razer then. That might come handy for Shermie's hcf x 2 LP/HP

[@abcdefgh6020]

Hey thanks for this video

[@kirkcavenaugh758]

Good video my dude

[@kimchi8022]

Hey there! Which one would you recommend for guilty gear strive? :3

[@faelwin]

im looking to replace an old fighting commander what would be your recommandation ? i need the best d pad possible, is the newest hori octa would be good?

[@ShiraNuit]

Is a SNES controler good for playing Guilty Gear Strive?

[@preamstrikbiz0]

If I can play any console with a snes or Saturn pad in a fighting game , It’s most likely amazing

[@mondealenvers8657]

will you talk about the upcoming 8BitDo NeoGeo controller ? it releases in a week

[@scyhte82]

2:08 not really. me and my buddy hate them, because they are prone to accidental inputs like jumping when you press forward and so on. playstation dpads are way better in that regard. if only there was a 6 button pad with a clicky ps-style dpad...

[@throwsnbrews9516]

I don't really have that issue.

[@studentoflife8532]

@@throwsnbrews9516 This also happens to Xbox one dpads. If you press the top croner of left and right, it drags the rest of the dpad upwards and up will get inputted with the other button. I have this issue where I'd randomly jump from doing dps. I've dealt with this for 5 years now, at this point I've come to a conclusion that it's not the player but the dpad's up button being that fucked up. Although I sound like a salty bitch I'm platinum at sfv but stopped playing rank cuz launge matches are more fun and I don't have to wait 1000 years for a laggy match. I regularly play with friends who are diamond and master ranks and often win. If I'm already at this level I just can't believe it's me and not the controller.

[@yenice3652]

Playstation dpads are even worse for this, especially ds4 and 5

[@accountpc4311]

I've had that issue with sega style rolling dpads for a while, until i tried to press it differently, it depends on how u use it based on my experience, i also had a sore thumb issue, but that's long gone now

[@imohbalu]

Hi dear great video. Just a quick question about Razer dpad dead zone?

[@XxMaxwellxX01]

Yo great video man

[@younsmal4873]

Just bought the Power A fusion fight for the Switch because of you. I hope I was right to follow your advice. Lol

[@danielzavala3746]

Do you like it?

[@Sergiovalencia302]

Can’t find it anywhere online for Xbox

[@younsmal4873]

@Sergiovalencia302 None of the Xbox (360) fights pad are available anywhere. Knowing it's the most needed (due to the horrible D-pad of that great controller ) It's riders me crazy.

[@younsmal4873]

@danielzavala3746 Not gonna lie to you. It is still in its box. (Haven't had the time to play much those days) 😔

[@roebro.44]

i never knew you played fighting games. what do you play?

[@kevinortizvanegas9921]

I’ve been getting into them again I have mortal kombat 11 it’s a great game. Im going to be getting guilty gear today most likely Bc it’s on sale for 10 dollars so imma try it out. I also play on the switch

[@DKprojects9]

I have the M30 and love it on PC, I'm just bummed I can't use it on PS5. If PowerA made that saturn style controller for PS5 and it worked with PS5 games I would definitely buy that. I'd even buy an adapter to make my M30 work on PS5/PS5 games if that existed but I don't think it does. Right now looks like my only option for fightpads is the Hori Commander Octa for PS5, but I've seen mixed reviews on the D-Pad and many saying you need to go into the PC software to adjust settings for it to work right. Sounds like potential for future headaches and hassle. My dream fightpad would work for PS5 and PC, be wireless and sega saturn style with a floating dpad.

[@shabutie726]

check out the brook wingman adapter for ps5

[@MissFickle-j2h]

How is the fighting commander for MK11? Would it work on a ps5?

[@freunte]

I would love a fight pad with a stick that recreates the feeling of a sanwa stick. I just can't play with a regular D-pad and i really feel unconfortable with a genesis-like d-pad. I dream about a 6-boutons pad with a gamecube stick: the gc stick is heavier and this octogone shape helps a lot for special moves. Also, did anyone try the neogeo mini pad? I would like an opinion about its stick.

[@HollowRick]

So you want a neo Geo CD stick inside a model 2 Sega Saturn controller

[@garciamartinezerikmanuel8810]

I almost end up def by the intro... Nice

[@whathitwonder4037]

A cursory Google search will net you a printable pivot mod for that Raion 👍🏿

[@jsocontrer01]

You’re a gamer too! This is awesome!

[@aiman6131]

Does the PowerA FUSION Wired Fightpad work with PS5? Or just PS4 and PC?

[@Chapperino]

great vid thanks

[@KillDozer44]

can you change the R2 on any of these from the face button to a shoulder button? I dont wanna use overhand grip for MK1 when I need to hit R2 to enhance a move

[@pranksterbr3632]

I do this in m30

[@mahidudy4037]

do you have any tutorial video how to connect this pads to pc fight games?

[@ValHazzard]

Quick question. Does the 8bitdo M30 come with it's own bluetooth receiver or do I need to buy that separately ? My PC doesn't have build in bluetooth.

[@koper1893]

8bitdo M30 have own bluetooth adapter but its sold separateley.

[@ValHazzard]

@@koper1893 i bought it, it doesn't come with a bluettoth adapter but I bought a cheap bluetooth 5.0 adapter and it works fine

[@koper1893]

@@ValHazzard it will work, it's bluetooth after all. But their adapter have few extra build-in features like ability to change modes of other controllers in similar way like 8bitdo pads do by holding select and d-pad direction for 5 seconds (for example you can pair ps or xbox controller with adapter and use it with nintendo switch in switch mode) or ability to create remap buttons profile in ultimate software.

[@ValHazzard]

@@koper1893 ok, thanks for telling me. First i have to decide if i even like this controller or not. I kind of like it but i just can't seem to get used to the button layout and the size of it, it's so small and the xyz buttons i find extremely small. Takes more practice i guess.

[@noemadero2592]

How is the durability for this Ps4/switch fighting commander?

[@iTombz]

Still have the fusion Xbox fightpad?

[@VladQuake]

Do any of them still have vibration?

[@igrecnoon8130]

Can I use the Razer Raion on pc for emulators 16/32 bits ?

[@cashbag]

Using a Dpad for Smash lol. The Dpad will only taunt and it has no C-stick so using it would be a major mistake.

[@randomsub1976]

Great Freking content & knowledge on this vide...IM pretty darn sure U can kick my ass lol.

[@johnpreston230]

I discovered that for me, the best is the switch pro controller. Everything comes out easily on it, and it doesn't hurt my thumb. Amazing.

[@Stewge.]

Razer raion fightpad dpads break consistently whenever I get another replacement raion very sad, great controller, trash d pad

[@issacdragon3834]

just got the hori fighting pad and the dpad form ps4 is actually better what a shame.

[@imohbalu]

Hi dear I am thinking of buying powera fusion vs Hori fc. What do recommend.. I am leaning. More for fusion? What do you think

[@issacdragon3834]

@@imohbalu 8bitdo m30 is my favorite but its not perfect I have not tried the fusion but its way better then hori fc for me

[@imohbalu]

@@issacdragon3834 I noticed some negative comments about fusion dpad is very loose or will get loose and many other people also say they mess inpots because of power fusion dpad!... I honestly have no idea but noticed pro players like problemx use the hori fc?

[@issacdragon3834]

@@imohbalu I dont like the hori at all

[@vikingtroll7086]

No fight pads for ps5?😪

[@VandersonBorges1]

Algum desses controles funciona em Box Android?

[@fightingforce8498]

What's the best fight pad for street fighter 5?

[@borokoshow4265]

If you are playing on PC, the 8bitdo m30 has the best dpad for half circle inputs and 6 face buttons. It's also cheap. I had the Hori commander, the dpad is not great.

[@imohbalu]

@@borokoshow4265 Hi dear I am thinking of buying powera fusion vs Hori fc. What do recommend.. I am leaning. More for fusion? What do you think

[@felipesantana1983]

this control works on ps5 games?

[@wizardothefool]

god i hate those slappy buttons, i bought the razer and its was so hard to press buttons

[@godsfighter1367]

how about the fighting commander octa?

[@baphometic8767]

from what i've gathered, it's a great pad, while it lasts. it has major durability issues.

[@iryan1201]

Sega!! The best

[@atomicpunk8389]

Hori fightpad R2 button i think is very good for MK11 and do it fawless defense.

[@RECHOOSENONE]

What about rubber membrane , hori fightpads has not very long lives (

[@martosraynierideljesus7454]

Can you please make a video like this comparing PS5 vs Series X/S Dpad for fighting games?

[@AmartharDrakestone]

I really hate the term "fight pad". Personally I prefer "6 button controller" even if it has more than 6.

[@alexmcphee6789]

Blood pad

[@-WanderingNomad-]

Theres a definite reason why tf it's called a "fightpad" it fills the specific niche for a controller, its like a "hitbox" being commonly called a "button box" or an "all button" controller. I have no clue why people get upsettey spaghetti that there are controller TAILORED for fighting games. Sure it's a 6 button controller but what's easier to say? And what is it meant for? Right it's Fighting games!

[@dragonlord3402]

That's a bit of a mouthful, don't you think?

[@felipo_galaxy1853]

Arcade stick controllers are called “fight sticks” therefore any hand held controller is just called a “pad” “Fight pad” just makes that distinction

[@Crunch_Buttsteak]

I prefer to say "Ergonomic 6plus-button peripheral"

[@Khinh-xq6lx]

some ppl still think sega saturn is still king lol

[@VenusFlycast]

Sorry if is so late, but, for SHMUPS which one of them is better?

[@Damyoro]

I hate hate HATE Razer's fighting pad and the only reason they are the most expensive is because it's from an USA company. Its D-Pad is just horrible.

[@EchoEcho-q4r]

Seems like the rzr wouldn’t be good for charge characters or grapplers on SFV

[@NeoGeo822]

Sega Saturn is the best ever made😎

[@preamstrikbiz0]

No question ^ 🫡

[@myyoutubecommentschannel8784]

mf said "rye yu"

[@b1llygo4t]

Light, medium and heavy*

[@b1llygo4t]

Smash bros uses an analog stick*

[@atcera8714]

So just a random question but how do i find the L3 and R3 buttons on those?

[@aquilesca5tr0]

the l3 and r3 are binded on L1 and L2

[@Khinh-xq6lx]

hori one is the best

[@Khinh-xq6lx]

you can change inputs in the game don't listen to him

[@toshibachromebook8505]

as someone who uses the hori fighting commander, the dpad breaks within days of usage. i've gone through 3 of these.

[@throwsnbrews9516]

I haven't broken mine yet...

[@Cryemoar]

I’ve gone through two in 3 years and the first one I thought was broken but literally just opened, cleaned it , and it works fine now. They just need to be cleaned bc the D-pad and buttons are pretty exposed. I’ve dropped em several times too on hard flooring and they both work fine. Imo best fight pad made to date in terms of layout, durability, & price. I will be trying the fusion A to test it out myself

[@fightingforce8498]

Mine not. Only the d-pad just isn't good enough for fighting games...

[@imohbalu]

@@fightingforce8498 Hi dear I am thinking of buying powera fusion vs Hori fc. What do recommend.. I am leaning. More for fusion? What do you think

[@spaghettiman4691]

M30 is hot fucking trash. Love losing a connection cause it died while playing wirelessly then switching up my buttons when I plug it in. Probably should "make sure it's charged" but its total ass that is doesnt maintain consistent button layouts when it's bluetooth vs wired. 0/10 get a hori commander

[@spilledketchup]

They recently released a M30 Wired for xbox and Pc

[@GMMXX80]

I wish the gaming world would eliminate the term "Pad" from gaming terminology, and I have no idea how except to start here I suppose. I dont even know where everyone started using the term. If you didnt notice, he used the word twice in two different uh... Contexts. He calls it a "Fighting-pad" and the "D-Pad", do you see the lunacy in what hes got going on? What is a pad? A pad is well, a DIRECTIONAL PAD, a Dance Pad, and well..... A Maxipad. Eh.... So gamers want to refer to what they game on to a womens sanitary.... I digress. Look, lets clarify this here and now: Look at the front of a SEGA Genesis console where you have your two front inputs, what is that called? CONTROLLER 1 and CONTROLLER 2 port. Look in the users manuals. Even Nintendo calls theirs a Controller. Where "Pad" comes in is the Directional singular button which is actually called THE D-Pad or the DIRECTIONAL PAD. The rest of the device is called a CONTROLLER with a layout of buttons. What you use for issuing commands for your television is a REMOTE CONTROL. Therefore, a Gaming Controller is NEVER referred to as a remote either, though I never really hear that much BUT this GAMEPAD term needs to be scrubbed from out terminology. I think when and if I resume my KZbin Channel, Im gonna have to address this on a bigger scale and with more ears but, even from the beginning of time, its been called a controller. The Atari started using the JOYSTICK 🕹️ because it was just that, a variation of the arcade joystick, but you can hear in his speech he cant differentiate the two as easy. Fighting Pad and Pad.... What???? So the WHOLE device is a CONTROLLER and that 4-Directional button or 8-Directional Button is the D-pad. Alright, now that our terminology is clear, on with it.

[@bahmuut4825]

So two years later, did you ever get over being a pedantic twat?