Drinker's Chasers - Rings Of Power Episode 7 Makes NO Sense

[@chance_ondriezek99]

When you realize that Jackson’s trilogy is over 20 years old and had a fraction of the budget, and they’re a million times better than this series.

[@zartic4life]

It didn't have a fraction of the budget it was massive you need adjust your brain for inflation but it was still less then Amazons total costs.

[@PBRatLord]

​@@zartic4lifeeven adjusted for inflation all three films, the LoTR trilogy comes in at roughly $500M on a high estimate. Just the rights to this show cost Amazon half that, and there's roughly a billion dollars worth of show that they've made so far. If you break it down to individual films, even RoTK had a budget of $100M less than just the rights to RoP. Yes, Jackson had a fraction the money to work with

[@PBRatLord]

​@zartic4life also, don't forget you must apply inflation to RoP too, if you've watched rates from the last 4 years. Not much, but pushes it just that much further away from the originals in terms of budget

[@bk109]

@@PBRatLord Actually, using the BLS' inflation calculator (so the "optimistic" official inflation as per the US Federal Government) - there's almost 21% of inflation from September '21 to August '24 which is unfortunately not exactly "not much"

[@PBRatLord]

@bk109 I didn't wanna overstate anything and hadn't checked how bad it's gotten recently, just knew the past four years were markedly increased compared to even the past 20-odd years. Crazy that even BLS is claiming over 20%

[@DarthDevorin]

"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." - Shakespeare.

[@chasehedges6775]

EXACTLY!

[@realmadrid314]

The Bard was saying that life is fleeting. "[Life] is a tale told by by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." Using it as an insult is actually really funny, because the quote applies to your statement and mine, too. Just thought that was funny.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@realmadrid314 He was correct

[@actionalex3611]

@@chasehedges6775 Epic stupid episode/series smfh

[@Aikurisu]

Not-Galadriel walking around the orc camp unseen with the hood over her head had the same energy as that time Obi-wan was smuggling little Leia under his oversized coat.

[@haku8135]

The ONE fucking time they could've made her canonically cool. Because Elves are supposed to be incredibly graceful to an almost supernatural degree. It'd make sense that she could in a really cool way sneak through an entire orc camp, so long as there was like other shit going on to keep them a bit disorderly. But she's too fucking stupid to TIE UP HER HAIR! For fuck's sake, is she the bestest evar or not!?!?!?!!?!?

[@DJMcFlinty]

i had managed to drink that out of my memory, F off for bringing back

[@Jasper_Silva]

I love the idea of the writers being like "but if two unknown hobbits could sneak past orcs like that why can't this 6'4 blonde very well known and feared elf general lady?"😂

[@arkhaminmate47]

You've obviously never seen the Dungeon Siege movie where three humans walked around an all monster camp, dressed in monster clothes but their faces completely showing, and no one raised an alarm.

[@szeltovivarsydroxan9944]

It's all written by complete idiots.

[@ramonserna8089]

I'm not entirely unconvinced the script was not at least 50% A.I. generated.

[@vermis8344]

How dare you insult those poor mindless software algorithms by insinuating they write as badly as this.

[@Kelley_X]

Nah, 100% Genuine Stupidity

[@suziechapstick8236]

Written by NPCs or written by A.I.... there's really not much difference. Except that A.I. is constantly getting better, and these writers aren't.

[@ronindave_ytgaming6333]

I'd think even AI would question the idea of Galadriel sneaking around unnoticed as an orc

[@jeffsmith5436]

WokeGPT😂

[@joer626]

All of a sudden the hobbit is looking like a master piece in comparison to this

[@captainlinebacker8894]

For all its missteps, the Hobbit trilogy did at least try to respect Tolkien’s work. Rings of Power is what you get when modern writers arrogantly believe their vision is better than that of the original source material.

[@captainlinebacker8894]

For all its missteps, the Hobbit trilogy did at least try to respect Tolkien’s work. Rings of Power is what you get when modern writers arrogantly believe their vision is better than that of the original source material.

[@thesouthernwake]

@@captainlinebacker8894 I didn't know you could ruin it more than The Hobbit trilogy did...but it's so much worse. The Baskin animated Hobbit/ROTK still doesn't get the admiration it deserves - they had to cut so much but the amount of original dialogue they kept and made accessible to a younger audience was amazing.

[@suziechapstick8236]

The parts of the Hobbit that stayed true to the book were actually decent, its all the tacked on fluff that brings it down. Unfortunately RoP is made up entirely of fluff.

[@ronindave_ytgaming6333]

@@suziechapstick8236 yeah if you remove the fluff and extended action scenes, The Hobbit at least feels like Middle Earth unlike wherever the hell ROP is set

[@desallis]

Had a laugh that the orcs called them "Trebuchet" suggesting there are French orcs, checks out

[@EvilDoresh]

TBF that _is_ the most common term for this type of siege weapon even in other parts of medieval Europe (many nobles had a thing for French). The issue is not that the _orcs_ are implied to be French, but that the language itself apparently exists in Middle-Earth (or is part of the Black Speech)

[@awesomehpt8938]

Galadriel and Elrond: 💋💋💋 Celeborn and Celebrian: 👁️ 👄 👁️

[@GamerVet203.]

It's worse when you realise that he's kissing his mother in-law.

[@dianrriski]

Where is celeborn for i much desire to speak with him. . . 😂

[@Violentcissy]

I really hope we see Adar giving a speech at Celebrian and Elrond's wedding. "It's so great to see so many of you coming here from all over middle earth! I wonder if we'd have as many if it was Elrond and Galadriel's wedding, it nearly happened you know, I caught them snogging in the middle of a siege!

[@MrBillclintin]

A couple gets divorced because the man is in a romantic relationship with their daughter. The show i discusting.

[@darkwolf1202]

@@GamerVet203. and she's married,

[@rexlumontad5644]

Elves were more dignified and disciplined even in the face of greater enemy numbers overwhelming them at the Battle of Helm's Deep.

[@Adelina-293]

The DM was nerfing their attack and damage rolls.

[@freman007]

Dignity was something that Jackson respected, and Amazon doesn't understand.

[@suziechapstick8236]

And even though that part was 100% made up for the movie, they still acted much like Tolkien's elves should. Which made it forgivable. Unlike this crap where nothing feels right.

[@deez3913]

They had good O faces 😮

[@ShannonCarter55]

​@@freman007 modern writers wouldn't know what dignity is if it punched them in the face. If they knew what dignity was, they wouldn't be writing themes that involving fiddling.

[@rexlumontad5644]

Amazon really trying too hard in making Tolkien's work to be Game of Thrones 2.0 in a nutshell.

[@takuid]

nothing more nothing less.

[@Ohmanwhyyourfeelingshurt]

Exactly they even made mention of it being, or supposedly being on that level.

[@Catherine.Dorian.]

And they also tried to make it grey rather than good v evil but that doesn’t at all work for Tolkien. They’re trying to humanize orcs and Sauron and villainize elves.. it’s just a bad fanfiction from people who think they’re better than Tolkien

[@chasehedges6775]

@@Catherine.Dorian. THIS

[@russ254]

and they didn’t want to pay for writers with even the smallest amount of writing ability

[@KineticCode]

i thought the major season 1 plotpoint is that those orcs can't fight in daylight 🤔yet they fight in daylight here no problemo 🤔

[@denglongfist4270]

Eregion put on walls after S2 because contrivances

[@Señor-Donjusticia]

Adar leveled-up the Orc’s sunlight tolerance after completing his quest to capture Mordor.

[@hyvakoira]

And Sauron no longer breeds red blood as Halbrand in S1 but for some reason turned into Venom with black venom blood 😂

[@HowToChangeName]

They pay premium for those sunscreens for the entire army, thus they only hire one unarmored troll

[@DJMcFlinty]

don't think season 1 or 2 have a plot

[@bradman2301]

I mean, the fact snarky hasnt seen LOTR even still, is pretty unacceptable. If you're going to be a fantasy reviewer, how can you go without seeing one of the best trilogies of all time. Literally of all time. Inexcusable.

[@mikehunt4265]

6 minutes in to the video and she has offered nothing to the conversation other than "I haven't watched the lord of the rings trilogy" and "I haven't even watched the rings of power episode that we are currently discussing" I'm not sure why she is even there?

[@dredeth]

@@mikehunt4265 You are aware that this is a cut of a longer video where they talked about different stuff?

[@mikehunt4265]

@@dredeth no I was not aware of that

[@dontyouworryaboutit_]

yeah I heard that and immediately wrote her off lol

[@LRich-hg3hu]

I'm glad she hasn't seen it. I'd put more weight on someone who knows nothing of LOTR saying the show is bad compared to an LOTR fan. It would be nice to hear from more reviewers who don't know about LOTR.

[@PhillipCalvin627]

I love Disparu. 🤣 Right out of the gate! Lance : I want to love the show, I'm a big Tolkien fan. Disparu: That's why you hate the show!

[@tres4dayz]

He's too quick with the rips 😅

[@THEOUTCASTSCREATIVE]

and I so wish I could!

[@kennethellingsen5902]

In the finale, it will be revealed that Annatar isn't Sauron after all, he is ... Hannah Montana!

[@AteshSeruhn]

That's insane enough to be right up rhe -writers'- word assemblers' alley.

[@SuperPyst]

The writers aren't that clever...

[@OpalLeigh-il8yj]

At least that would be entertaining 😂

[@SurnaturalM]

He's Agatha all along

[@jeffsmith5436]

Oh dear gods no more of Cyrus the Virus!😢

[@wintercrush554]

Snarky: I haven't watched the LOTR movies: Me: Repent Heathen! *holding up DVD set of LOTR*

[@philjones3824]

Cue the scene from Clockwork Orange with Malcolm McDowell watching the movie. "Okay, this Lord of the Rings!!"😳😳😳

[@ScooterDoge]

She’s annoying af. We all know why people “like” her. She’s useless without it.

[@bandit_six5418]

True fans have blu-Ray extended editions. Fuckin’ poser

[@dbf1dware]

Snarky, I will cue up the whole extended version of Peter Jackson's LotR and feed you pealed grapes throughout. All you have to do is show up. Sincerely, pretty much every nerd alive.

[@jasonotto9126]

I was the same but then the defiant part of me was like. You've come this far, you go girl 😂

[@wohargRadu]

This episode looks to me like an IQ test. You are Adar and want to kill Sauron. In your Orc camp is Galadriel who also wants to kill Sauron. You both know that Sauron is alone in an Elven city 1 km away. What do you do ? 1) You kill Galadriel and attack the Elves. 2) You return to Mordor because your army wants to go back to wives and children. 3) You escort Galadriel to the city where she, as Commander of the Northern Armies, gathers the Elven soldiers and kills Sauron. 4) You do nothing and wait till something happens.

[@wilhelminawill9495]

The correct thing would be to do 3 first, then 2, then 4, and bypass 1 unless something happens that makes it necessary to perform. I'd be surprised by anything other than 1 being done, though.

[@wohargRadu]

@@wilhelminawill9495 Excellent answer which shows that your IQ is approximately 3 times the combined IQ of the writers of the show :)

[@bingbong4186]

@@wohargRadu Don’t insult him like that! His IQ is definitely higher than 60

[@GenJuhru]

Kill Galadriel and go from there, seems like things would've gone better if she just went to the light. Last minute decisions is really risky if not outright bad

[@thePavuk]

more like test: "What color is Galadriels WHITE(!!!!) horse? A - white, B - not black, C - color of racists and supermacist". Select at least one right answer.[hint: there is at least one, but probably more then two, but less then four]"

[@writerpatrick]

This is the result of giving kids participation awards.

[@danicorvin]

Yeah. It's surely one part of the problem.

[@ZukMyZik]

Nope, participation trophies came from putting women in positions of power and then thinking everyone equal when we aren’t and that goes back to letting women vote. Huge mistake. Everything came from there. Women shouldn’t run society. If you google ubisoft and studio 343 and other Disney companies for entertainment and video games. ITS ALMOST ALL MIDDLE AGE WOMEN WITH DYED HAIR ITS FUCKING CRAZY. Then we wonder why entertainment sucks now.

[@suziechapstick8236]

And not bullying them enough.

[@jeffsmith5436]

And too much Ritalin. Or maybe they were supposed to have gotten Ritalin but accidentally got synthetic heroin instead

[@HowToChangeName]

This people clearly never add water to their empty soap bottle

[@rossmacomish]

No one gonna mention lance perfectly lining up with the background image?

[@John21WoW]

They did during the Livestream, just not this section specifically

[@conspiracyspider]

6:30 now that's just an insult on Saturday morning cartoons. Then again those aren't really a thing anymore.

[@haku8135]

Like legit, those were SIMPLER, but the writers weren't retarded. There's a difference between simplifying a complex situation, like trying to figure out the identity of the bad guy criminal, and just writing abject nonsense. They're not stupid enough to have the criminal go "By the way I'm the criminal, see ya later" And then the characters go "Man, WHO is the criminal? We gotta find out."

[@aleksander8497]

I was going to say, some Saturday cartoons were much better written by comparison.

[@douglasmunro5672]

Too fuckin true

[@GenJuhru]

Galtar and the Golden Lance would've been a better series, in a 1 to 1 live action adaptation compared to RoP.

[@leonlim007]

SnarkyJay in the entire video: " ???????????? "

[@sethkaicer319]

The drinker and I adopted an orc and named him mork 👹

[@ScooBdont]

Na-Nu, Na-nu 👋🏽

[@dretchlord873]

Get him a brother named Gork then you'll 'ave a propah foight. WAAAAGH

[@sethkaicer319]

@@dretchlord873 up the irons mate

[@sethkaicer319]

@@ScooBdont rest in peace Robin Williams 😢

[@jeromesullivan4015]

Thanks Mindy…

[@Chimera.JackMeHoff]

Elrond stops the charge to save Guyladriel...5 minutes later ...Elrond tells Adar he can take her life. So charge wasted, war lost, 1000s of elves gone because Elrond changed his mind in 5 minutes over a Karen

[@susandolan9543]

Did anybody notice that the Elvin armor is a cheap, very cheap knock offs of the Elvin armor at the prologue of Jackson's Fellowship.

[@30noir]

Elvin?

[@susandolan9543]

@@30noir Cripes, was that supposed to be Elven? Huh, for once autocorrect didn't work🤔. Sorry about that.

[@30noir]

@@susandolan9543 ;-) What would the Teldari say?

[@farfaraway4285]

Seems like this show is trying to be GoT so badly it starts tip-toeing on the edge of incest. So far just mother in law but….

[@chasehedges6775]

I’ve never watched GOT and I certainly don’t plan on watching Rings Of Power

[@Adelina-293]

Those elves sure are dirty, ja?

[@espritfort9890]

Unlike RoP, GoT has never been boring and lifeless.

[@GideonRavenor712]

Technically they could have done this with the Numenoreans, Ar-Pharazon and Miriel are supposed to be cousins (He forcibly marries her to get the throne, she's entirely secondary, but it is noted how even this forced marriage was abnormal because of how closely related they were).

[@farfaraway4285]

@@GideonRavenor712 it still may happen…

[@timwhite5562]

Forget horses, try to get 200 bicyclists to stop like that with all of them having in-ear radio communication.

[@user-pv7cq9bp5j]

Fantasy still needs to be grounded in the reality of its own universe and so many people dont understand this. If your fantasy world's logic breaks apart the entire world breaks apart and then the reader holds nothing.

[@Hank..]

Sauron's going to put on all the rings to fight Galadriel and say "I am ALL the rings!" to which Galadriel will say "and I..... am all the power!" and then destroy Sauron before meaningfully looking at the camera and saying "something tells me he's not gone forever"

[@Nawona]

Then a peasant adresses her and ask her : who are you ? And she answers : I am Galadriel….. Galadriel Skywalker

[@rexlumontad5644]

Everyone to The Hobbit Trilogy: "Perhaps we treated you too harshly."

[@toms7114]

On further review, no, no we didn't. It's still bad, Rings of Power is just that much worse.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@toms7114 I liked them, tbh

[@PBRatLord]

​@@chasehedges6775 And that has nothing to do with their quality

[@lexiferenczy9695]

Shit doesn't stop being shit just because there is bigger shit out there.

[@doberski6855]

Yeah, mostly agree. Still not a fan of The Hobbit Trilogy, mainly because it was turned into a trilogy! Also sad that Rings of Power managed to be even worse then then those three movies.

[@ostsan8598]

3:23 See that kind of thing all the time in the Midwest. One side of the highway is sunny, other side is cloudy.

[@nathanmulcahy2297]

The way all the horses stopped was fucking laughable

[@metaloverlord7465]

There was no way in Middle Earth an army of elves on horseback IN THE MIDDLE OF A FULL CHARGE, could stop on a dime like that. Thank god I wasn't drinking anything or I might have done a spit take!

[@gzuscry]

If you remember in the trilogy riders of rohan took a big turn to stop, like a proper horsriders.

[@metaloverlord7465]

@@gzuscry Exactly, that much momentum can't be stopped so abruptly without serious consequences.

[@cas1994]

A real heartfelt thanks to all the people that come on these streams....u guys have saved me so many hours of watching shit tv shows, I owe you a lot.

[@DavidByrden1]

One reason why the Germans could defeat other armies in the first years of WW2, is that they put a radio receiver in every one of their tanks. It made a huge difference that everybody could be reliably and immediately told what to do. So, in a horseback army I would expect to see a system of flags. A single person yelling is not good enough.

[@LRich-hg3hu]

Flags. Bugle calls. Things that armies with horsemen actually did. The writers had the answer one google search away. However, they were not smart enough to ask the question.

[@MarwanRashad]

Where was that at the charge or the rohirrim scene? Does it make it less good that it wasn’t perfectly realistic? Maybe realism is sometimes boring

[@JanLaurentMehlinger]

Not gonna lie, in Rings of Power I would even expect the elven rings to function as radio receivers 😂😂😂

[@olafgurke4699]

@@MarwanRashad No, but they didn't need it, either. The Rohirrim didn't decide to stop 5m in front of the Uruk flank by impossibly cancelling out their inertia.

[@lewiscannon6126]

How can you like Tolkien and this show?! They're completely at odds.

[@mattteomatei3610]

I disagree

[@sidnew2739]

​@@mattteomatei3610 You can "disagree" as much as you want- it's a fact.

[@sugma3475]

@@mattteomatei3610no one cares if you disagree

[@mattteomatei3610]

@@sugma3475 But they care about what your opinion was?!?

[@lewiscannon6126]

@@mattteomatei3610 we certainly do…unlike your opinion… nobody gives a monkeys about what you think!

[@germanxmascookie]

1:18 Snarky Jay gets to experience what most of us can never experience again: Watching the LOTR trilogy for the first time.

[@DelightfullyMADD]

It's rather impressive how a seemingly small change such as the order in which the rings were crafted can have such staggering consequences to the internal consistency of the story, but RoP proved conclusively that such seemingly small details matter. The three elven rings were forged last, after Sauron had fled Eregion when his true nature was under threat of discovery, and while they were still partially tainted due to being forged with the craft that Sauron had taught him, the three elven rings were by far the most powerful of all the rings save for the One Ring itself. Celebrimbor also forged all the other rings with the intention of them being worn by the elves, he nor Sauron ever had any intention of giving them to the dwarves or to men as that was a later altering of Sauron's plan due to the elves becoming suspicious of him. Yet here... the nine rings specifically meant for men come last... and after Celebrimbor becomes aware of Sauron's true nature... so Celebrimbor has NO REASON to forge those rings, none at all. He should and _would_ have stared right at Sauron and said "No" and would have died before he knowingly forged evil rings of that sort. Yet here, he's fully aware that he's making evil rings, and all he has to say about it is effectively "Alright fine I'll make your evil rings... but I'm very upset about this situation I'll have you know"

[@Zoddlander]

Snarky's interest during the conversation is like the audience of the Ring of Power! Its a boring show, for anyone even "normies"!

[@lostsock9852]

Exactly. For those in this thread knocking her participation, she represents the every(wo)man, the audience that Amazon has to rely on winning over

[@scottbullock3045]

Not just the opening montage, the whole show is just... how are they getting away with this shit?!!😮😢

[@jeffsmith5436]

Because money. Lots and lots of money. Also utter stupidity!😊

[@GenJuhru]

Money laundering, this show doesn't cost that much-- No fckn way.

[@sidnew2739]

They don't get away with this shit. Nearly everybody hates it and hardly anybody watches it.

[@scottbullock3045]

@@sidnew2739 that brings up a question; assuming most if not all of this shitshow is already "in the can", will Amazon Bat-Girl the rest of it or will this go all five seasons as has been reported?

[@sidnew2739]

@@scottbullock3045 It's not in the can. I am almost sure of that.

[@2Bobbitz]

To gasps of wonder the Orc magician whips back the fabric from the box revealing his swimsuit clad assistant inside 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 “And for my next trick I shall escape from this fabric armour straight jacket while suspended upside down tied by my 6 toed feet”

[@captainsteve7817]

Jay looked so bored. She should start watching LOTR on her desk the next time she's on.

[@LRich-hg3hu]

That may not cure boredom. The LOTR movies had me snoozing in the theater.

[@scionofdorn9101]

@@LRich-hg3hu I’ll take Things That Didn’t Happen for $200, Alex.

[@LaChartre]

@@LRich-hg3hureally? All 3?

[@Luke-kj1rj]

actually baffling that she is there having not seen the trilogy

[@chopthatpanda]

@@LRich-hg3hu well stick to the avengers then buddy

[@danjoseph7515]

That's why it was so critical to have GUYladrielle captured. Because she could have killed that troll in under 10 seconds.

[@deez3913]

Damn ...snarky calls herself a geek but never watched lotr? 😮

[@tylergoodman3560]

You had one job, Rings of Power, and you blew it. Most fantasy battles are easy to execute; provided you have the right people to make it believable. 🎉

[@Knabenbube]

"I don't want to hate the show. I am a big Tolkien fan." Great start for this segment. Lmao

[@bazmilo-furball1]

How can you call yourself a nerd if you haven’t watched lotr I’m calling bullshit on her credentials…

[@stellviahohenheim]

There's all kinds of nerds not just the fantasy kind. Calm down lol

[@paulcarmi8130]

I haven’t watched it since I saw it on VHS at 11ish. It’s great, but you only need to see it once. It’s like 14 hours of content lmao. People have lives…

[@The_Reality_Filter]

"We Wuz Famleez" - Orcs

[@donkeysunited]

The elven horses looked terrible. When I first saw them I thought they were from Numenor. There was nothing majestic about them, they looked like they were on loan from a nearby farm. They were skittish in the fight. And their armour was farcical - all shiny on the upper mane and nothing protecting their chest for charging.

[@TheAETHER22]

I think it's time to normalize bullying writers and directors for their shitty writing.

[@jeffsmith5436]

Celebimbo: “Smellrond, the dorc army is attacking! What should we do?” Smellrond: “We need a battle plan…Fetch the mentally challenged toddlers!” Cue suspenseful kazoo music… 😮😮😮

[@TheAmazingSpiderman87]

Ah yes, I vividly recall the intense negotiations shortly before the battle of Helms Deep. Except that one old guy was like "fuck this noise", otherwise the uruk hai would definitely had left.

[@motormatt1222]

This show just proves that Middle Earth got fed up and got rid of all the DEI bs in the Third Age.

[@maxheadroom4659]

the armor sucks. even if they worked hard on it, the costume designer should be fired.

[@Avarn388]

ROP is like an onion of stupidity. It’s got layers of dumb to it. It’s not even well written on its own merits. I’ve had plenty of ROP stans try to tell me I’m just a lore purist or don’t have good taste( Yes. Someone claimed this. I wish I was joking). My response is that I don’t need to know the lore to know this is poorly made. When you have to use metaphors every other line, make nightime scenes hard to follow, have characters act inconsistently from episode to episode, incoherent distance and timelines etc. I can claim this series is badly written. I’m not using lore. I’m using what the series has provided me. If folks want to enjoy this series, be my guest. But we aren’t the ones who wrote this series. So it’s not our fault it sucks.

[@donkeysunited]

I don't know the lore and I also think it's dumb. I think season 1 had many more dumb layers. The new writers have firmed it up a bit, and addressed some of the scale issues (eg. size of armies), but there are still problems with teleporting characters, no sense of geography or distance, rubbish battle tactics and very thick plot armour.

[@AnnoyingCritic-is7rp]

It's like a Force Awakens. That should be a verb - they force awakens it.

[@Hurricanelive]

I like how no one gets out alive, every character HAS to be vandalized beyond measure. It's like watching a tsunami coming in, the destruction, waiting as the water goes out again and then a BIGGER tsunami comes. And it's just a cycle, you want to follow the destruction in awe. You want to drive slowly by the accident and in your mind you want to know, how, where did the car flip over, how many times, how did it catch on fire, did anyone survive, you are counting the cars in the pile up... 99... 100...? The spectacle is in not questioning how much more terrible this can be, but how the writers will execute it because you know they will find a way. It's like you surviving a plane crash or parachute not opening, but the doctor says you have inoperable cancer, and your house burned down, and the IRS have sent you an indictment, and in your hotel room you just want to sleep... but then aliens take you and probe you and they say sorry, we ran out of anesthesia. At this point you'd be like, being it on... BRING IT! How much worse can it get... and the universe surprises you because that's what it does.

[@tallwaters9708]

Hold on, am I seriously the only one who noticed the kung fu horse? That was the funniest thing I've ever seen

[@L337M4573RK]

Calvary is effective over large, open fields; NOT in heavily dense forests! At this point, the Elves deserve to lose.

[@leslietarkin]

Hard to believe people haven't watched LOTR yet. It's been 22yrs since FOTR came out!

[@olafgurke4699]

Had a friend of mine who hadn't watched LOTR until recently either, despite being a massive nerd. He even likes tolkien-esque fantasy, like Warhammer Fantasy, but hadn't watched the films. Of course, under my... encouragement, he watched it and loved it. But still, it happens sometimes.

[@routineproofmusic454]

If nothing else... The hobbit seems loads better now.

[@ufeelinselfrighteous8470]

i hope the aliens dont find a copy of this series a million years after the Trust Fund Brigade wipe out humanity, and judge us on it.... its not fair

[@wilhelminawill9495]

Not to worry; if future alien archaeologists are smart enough to come here, and then uncover an artifact like the Rings of Power show, and comprehend what it's supposed to be/the story it's trying to tell, they'll also be able to realize that the race behind its creation had to have been far smarter than the particular people who made this show. Even if they never uncover any other, better shows, including Jackson's trilogy. Simple logic would dictate that this show could not be made without ages of brilliance building up to the creation of the technology used.

[@LadyBeyondTheWall]

It's like that episode of Futurama where Fry spills beer on some control panel in the year 2000 and ruins the airing of an episode of Single Female Lawyer, so aliens invade 1000 years later because they're mad they didn't get to see that episode when it finally made it there 1000 light years away. Except in this case, they'll invade us simply to stop the signal from getting to their planet anymore. Or they'll want future humans to re-write the whole thing.

[@epayne6]

I love how Snarky is just sitting there, fake smile on her face, thinking. "These guys are really amused by their own words. I wonder if they enjoy smelling their own farts?" 🤔

[@GideonRavenor712]

Yea, I do find it hilarious that the clouds just cover the Orc army perfectly. No reason behind it of course within the show, unless Sauron is doing that, because there's no other explanation. Morgoth and Sauron would both do that for their armies to give them cover from sunlight (Saruman's Uruk-Hai didn't need it because he made them to withstand sunlight) . . . but Adar knows he doesn't have anyone in his service to do this . . . so why would the clouds be so perfectly following them, UNLESS it was Sauron? In which case he should be thinking: "Hmmmm, clouds don't act this way and didn't act this way the entire time we were fighting previously, maybe he wants me to do this?" Which is the whole ridiculousness of Adar's plot and how he simultaneously knows yet doesn't know what Sauron's doing, and is just playing right into his hands even though he supposedly is familiar enough with Sauron to know how he acts. Lance also hit on the point I thought of as well seeing the whole mountain BS: if the mountain is that fragile, why not just shoot the cliff face directly ABOVE the whole damn city, and cause avalanches of tons of rock? Even if you don't hit the entire city, you'll bury at least half of it, which will almost certainly include wherever Celebrimbor's forge is! Celebrimbor is entirely bastardized as a character. Because they did the Rings in reverse order AND are doing the Sacking of Eregion simultaneously, he has NO WAY to redeem his character. He was SUPPOSED to figure out that Anatar was Sauron BEFORE he finishes the Three Elven Rings, hence why he alters them and why they don't work as Sauron intended, and Sauron REALLY wanted those ones to work because he considered the Elves to be his greatest threat, hence why the Three were made last, all of the others were 'practice'. Sauron figures out they were altered, when he tests out the One Ring right after he forges it, senses the Three didn't work, and realizes: "Celebrimbor must have screwed me". THEN he goes and leads his formed up Orc army to sack Eregion, and kill Celebrimbor, personally. Celebrimbor still dies no matter what, but he gets those moments of actual defiance where he upsets Sauron's plan after realizing he was tricked for so long. An echo of Feanor and his sons' defiance against Morgoth. Here? That can't happen. Oh, he hands the Nine Rings off to Galadriel . . . so what? That doesn't change the nature of the Nine, we know where they end up, on the hands of the Ringwraiths, Sauron's most terrible servants. All this means is somewhere along the line here Galadriel will screw-up again, and the Nine Rings will end up one way or another, where they're supposed to be, partially because of her now because they handed them off to her because now. Meaning Celebrimbor's defiance here amounts to NOTHING. He realized his mistake, for NOTHING. He'll die a pathetic character who had no chance to amend his mistake, and what he did do amounts to merely delaying the inevitable, instead of fixing what he could despite being tricked and thus saving the greatest of his race in Middle-Earth from eternal servitude to a Fallen Maia.

[@vwlssnvwls3262]

Orc looking at Galadriel in a cloak : "Look at that orc walking tall. I wish I could have posture like that."

[@slamo1804]

Once you see the elves' ears as looking like pig ears...Jackson's elves were beautifully made and portrayed.

[@4k4DexYT]

I just cant belive someone is into movies or TV if you didnt watch LOTR. Especialy talking about this. Just exclude her from further conversations untill she watches LOTR at least 3 times.

[@bryguy572]

Funny segment - great input from SnarkJay too!

[@dirkjewitt5037]

The show writers either didn't have the time or didn't care to really read the material. It feels like a show made from cliff notes of Tolkien. Like a quick glimpse through The Hobbit, the three books of LOTR and the Silmarillion with no time to digest the material. I went back and watched the trilogy again and the difference is blaringly obvious.

[@petermuskett3414]

Hope you didn’t pay Snark for this appearance 😂

[@YabseraPython]

I think the show is just one whole ad. It doesn't matter if it is good or bad

[@patrickbureau1402]

Marketing iz everywhere for this monstrosity of Tolkien's story - just another IP to own 🍀🇨🇦⚜️

[@tutuadefolalu3661]

There’s a reason no one had ever heard of these showrunners before. They only got this job because JJ Abrams vouched for them. I’m not surprised by the lack of good writing, directing, and execution. Honestly, even if they did have access ti Tolkien’s writing on the Second Age the show would still probably be a train wreck.

[@olafgurke4699]

Funnily enough, they have access to enough material to make a full show of the Second Age. I recommend the video series of Tolkien Untangled on "How the Rings of Power could have been". It's very insightful and incredibly well done.

[@LordChumbley]

Now I know how to enjoy the show by putting myself into sugar coma by downing bowls of cereal Saturdays morning style.

[@jameshewitt3747]

It was written( season 2) before season 1 finished airing. The showrunners said they listened to the critic/fans, but they didn't.

[@Uzkodas]

I forget where I saw it and who posted it but I saw a fan pitch for a lotr show. The tone of the show was basically the first fifteen minute of Fellowship and you follow these two little hobbits where they get up to various shenanigans and solve really low-stakes problems and at the season end they pester Grandpa Samwise for some stories. And tbh something chill, easy and simple to watch doesn’t sound too terrible

[@irena4545]

Did you just roast them for the _one_ thing they got right in that whole travesty? Elves indeed don't sink into snow, it's in the books after the Fellowship is caught in a snowstorm on Caradhras. Aragorn and Boromir struggle through the snow to make a path for the hobbits, while Legolas just runs on top of the snow to scout ahead how far the drifts go.

[@Story2ScreenMovieReviewPodcast]

That part that gets to me is how Elrond non discreetly removed his pin in front of everyone, and then the orc holding Galadriel says he ain't armed but somehow missed Elrond removing his pin.

[@karachaffee3343]

"Luke, the force of the corporate smugness and contempt for normal people is strong here. " It cannot backfire hard enough in my opinion...

[@kylew7930]

“Ass-faced, back to front” perfection

[@Adelina-293]

I love how the Orc Catapults can destroy a mountain, but they can't figure out to aim them at the weaker city wall.

[@Mereologist]

In this episode BOTH the elves and the orcs want to get into the city to stop Sauron. The orcs are only attacking the city because Sauron - who they want to stop - TOLD them to attack the city. Sauron told them to attack the city even though he needs all the rings to be forged, and telling them to attack the city is seriously risking his chances of finishing his task. Neither the elves nor the orcs - who both want to stop Sauron - know exactly what he's doing in that city. They just don't like him and want to stop him. And none of them know of or are looking for alternate pathways, so when everyone escapes through a tunnel, even the elves are completely surprised.

[@eisenbrecher4001]

Concerning the stupid bit about the orcs having a hostage and the elven army just suddenly stopping, i remembered a fitting part from the silmarillion itself (long but worth reading): "But the captain of morgoth in the West had been commanded to draw out Fingon swiftly from the hills by whatever means he could. [...] But there was no answer to his challenge and the taunts of the orcs faltered as they looked upon the silent Walls and the hidden threat of the hills. Then the captain of morgoth sent out riders with Tokens of parley, and they rode up before the outworks of the Barad Eithel. With them they broght Gelmir son of Guilin, that lord of Nargothrond whom they had captured in the Bragollach; and they had blinded him. Then the heralds of Angband showed him forth, crying: "We have many more such at home, but you must make haste if you would find them; for we shall Deal with them all when we return even so." And they hewed off Gelmirs hands and feet, and his head at last, within the sight of the elves, and they left him. By ill chance, at that place in the outworks stood Gwindor of Nargothrond, the brother of Gelmir. Now his wrath Was kindled to madness, and he leapt forth on horseback, and many riders with him; and they pursued the heralds and slew them, and drove on deep into the Main host. And seeing this all the host of the Noldor Was Set on fire, and Fingon put on his white Helm and sounded his trumpets, and all the host of Hithlum leapt forth from the hills in sudden onslaught. The Light of the drawing of the swords of the Noldor was like a fire in a field of reeds; and so Fell and swift was their onset that almost the Designs of morgoth went astray [...] and the banners of Fingon passed over Anfauglith and were raised before the Walls of Angband"

[@breakerskillz2712]

Dont forget when Elrod says look to the north and the sun rises

[@RudigerLullau-w4k]

I wondered why, when the only advantage the elven cavalry had ,was the momentum of surprise, they announce themselves with fanfare.

[@jaypeadieL611]

Im predicting a "beauty and the beast" style ending and it sounds bad and cringe. While wearing the ring to confront Sauron , Adar starts to break apart as the "good" power counters his bad juju. Galadriel sees something familiar in Adar. Adar and his orcs approach Sauron, then twist Sauron says "all according to plan" then uses the darkside to re-mind control the orcs and Adar who struggles to resist. Galadriel then sees a vision of the future somehow. As Sauron chokes Adar, we then see Karendriel girlboss her way through the orcs, then surprise chops off Saurons arm and kisses Adar. Adar then blows up like wolverine in the abs scene and it is revealed that he is Celeborn. Sauron: "impossible, no ones ever done that, any way you cant stop me, no man can stop me!". Galadriel: "i am no man" *inspiring music and blindinglight attack.

[@davidknight2104]

Exactly what I was saying how do all those horses just stop ✋🏻 😂

[@jackcoleman5955]

13:20 “Loads of action is useless, if you’re not emotionally invested in the people taking part in it!” Sums up the whole discussion nicely. Same critique of the Attack of the Clones nonsense battles.

[@MultiAFroDuck]

lmao disparu with the "it is better than them talking tho"

[@Jeremy-zw8ur]

On the "nerd of the rings" channel he actually showed using the map the show created that the orcs crossed the river only to turn back and attack. When they didn't even need to cross the river

[@tychodragon]

Snarky Jay and the drinker have major chemistry

[@nichol1866]

Rings of power = biggest money laundering project to date. Why have snarky in this conversation? My advice is go watch the OG trilogy and watch some lore videos to understand the gravity of how big of a deal it is that this show failed so miserably.

[@CarlosCFC92]

They probably talked about other stuff too during the livestream

[@conradaster3764]

11:13 "--you just put your lips together and blow"😂

[@juliabogan8509]

Also don't forget... Elrond kissed Galadriel... His canonical MOTHER-IN-LAW! I literally screamed in horror and disgust!

[@ericaownsthesky]

Snarky Jay looking on, having no f@$kin idea what they are talking about lol 😂

[@comet392]

Disparu, the ranter like cinema sins

[@georgesmith6218]

Kelebron cosplaying Mandarin could be pretty dope.

[@stephenlarson9422]

the Eight Deadly Words is strong with this one.

[@gavinburke2572]

Started S2 on Sunday and trudging through only on the 4th episode and have fast forwarded a few times it's incredible how dull and interesting they made the show

[@sonsofstretford3866]

2:30 they actually made fun of this scenario in a movie called storks, the alphas of a pack of wolves find a baby incredibly cute and they have to communicate to the wolves all the way in the back repeatedly not to eat the baby 😂 There’s no way the horses in the back would’ve stopped

[@Lordeightbane]

Haha I remember that tiny thing

[@sonsofstretford3866]

@@Lordeightbane TINY THING IS NOW A WOLF EVERYBODY!!! (From the back) I am sorry what was that?

[@solanumtinkr8280]

Cavalry is for breaking up formations for other troops to then deal with them... The English Spear(???) formations at one point got sassy enough to reform and turn around instead of running away like most in the face of a Cavalry charge....

[@MajorSmurf]

It is not hard to get a medieval/fantasy battle to feel epic. LOTR pulled it off in back to back films with huge epic long sieges that you could feel the tides constantly turning. How each side plans, makes mistakes, makes intelligent smart decisions in response to whatever the enemy is doing and so on. Hell you can fcking cheat, take a battle from history or siege from history and just copy and paste it in. Add in whatever mini epic or dramatic moments for characters as you want and bam you got yourself a battle. ROP battles have huge flaws, no understandable scale, many scenes are lacking the numbers that should be there, we see what only a dozen men manning the walls and what a few hundred orcs running alone from each other, no formations or battle tactics and finally we're lacking in fantasy creatures. Where are the trolls? Where are other nasty evil creatures that could be called on? Look at all the massive battles in history, men move in lines and stick in formations. That is the only thing that keeps you alive in these kind of fights. We don't even understand the geography of the city or fields around it and so the battle is boring and meaningless because we can't understand it. You fcking kidding me? This is what writers can do, DRAW A FCKING MAP ON A PIECE OF PAPER! Map it out, draw it out. This is one of the basics of fantasy. You map out cities and battles in huge detail.

[@hyvakoira]

Exactly! Tolkien's battle of Pelenor fields draws from historical battles, including a Hungarian army arriving to help lift the siege of Krakov by the Mongols in 1287.

[@jacquelineking5783]

I mean they had farmers defend a village at the bottom of some hills in the first season. The people involved with this show don't even understand the basic concept of firing arrows into a village from the hills that surround it. Trying a battle on a larger scale was just asking far too much of their abilities. Although the lack of tactical acumen on Adar's part in that episode seems to be continuing in this episode so yeah for consistency.

[@surobyk]

You don't get it, they don't have the budget for that

[@darrencampbell8817]

You guys got Snarky Jay that's dope AF!