'It's Not Acceptable to Take Your Children Out of School During Term Time'

Education Secretary Bridget Phillipson says the government want to 'move quickly' with banning ninja swords, but they are not included in the upcoming knife ban. Bridget Phillipson also says that 'It's just not acceptable to take your children out of school during term time for a holiday.' amid a rise in school absences.
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[@gavinhartley5454]

It is not acceptable for travel companies to rip-off parents.

[@BritWolf1]

Any financial penalty is only a penalty for the poor..

[@J2897Tutorials]

The middle-class will gladly pay if they think their child is in danger, the working-class may try to force their kids to school if they can't afford it, hoping they return home safely, and the under-class won't cooperate nor pay a single penny, because they're probably on psychological medication and won't have anything to give.

[@certified2166]

Says the MP who earns 100k a year an can afford to take the kids holiday in summer holidays

[@martinhumble]

Though, not during school. That's a good thing

[@certified2166]

@@martinhumble be humble

[@martinhumble]

@@certified2166 I am, that's why I'm a social democrat. Thus supporting Universal healthcare, free education - even university. Free meals. And yes, paying taxes because I care for everyone

[@certified2166]

@@martinhumble Social Democrat 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@crispybits3765]

She probably earns more, because she get's ministerial pay on top of her MP salary. However are we going to reject any suggestion that an MP or Minister makes simply because they earn more than us? What about if a teacher who earns say £40k a year advises we don't take kids out of school in term time? In principle, she is correct. The problem is holiday companies hiking prices and exploiting parents.

[@AmeeB-oo1lr]

I think it is. School is not prison. We are not prisoners.

[@militarymummymackin]

She has made my blood boil....i choose to take my kids where i want thank you! My own parents took me to mexico for a month at a time every year and i did work while away. I got experiences back packers pay alot for and learnt so much more. I have 2 degrees and a good profession because my parents made sure i was there 100% of the rest of the time, taught me to work hard and i did. And i will do the same for my children

[@jejmoss11]

Your bad attitude sums up the issue.

[@militarymummymackin]

@jejmoss11 bad attitude!! I'm not having the government tell me when i go on holiday!! Very much looking forward to our holiday in a few weeks time...term time!

[@jejmoss11]

@@militarymummymackin the arrogance is astounding. There are plenty of weeks in the year when kids are out of school to take them away wherever you want. Utter narcissism.

[@eightiesmusic1984]

​@@jejmoss11Well said.

[@henryyeoh8610]

Why are you taking your kids out of school during term time anyway? Common sense... Also, there are plenty of time (not term time) throughout the year for you to plan anyway. What is the fuss?

[@brendawoolcock7841]

The government are deluded if they think an £80 fine will deter parents from taking their kids out of school during term time... they would rather pay that fine than £1,000 to take their kids on holiday during school holidays... I personally don't agree with taking your kids out of school, particularly during GCSE and A level years

[@JosephRawsthorne31]

You learn more by going on holiday and learning about the place and culture than you ever would by sitting in a classroom.

[@eightiesmusic1984]

False.

[@JosephRawsthorne31]

@@eightiesmusic1984 how do you make that out?

[@eightiesmusic1984]

@@JosephRawsthorne31 Knowledge, experience and wisdom.

[@Alexamay3]

Agreed 95% of things we learn we don’t need

[@gftjghdt3582]

I wouldn't trust this labour person with anything, let alone the kids' future

[@markriding1267]

They can easily recoup that £80 in an afternoon shoplifting 😂😂😂😂😂

[@imdone3]

That made me laugh more than I expected - thank you 😂😂

[@maryduffy2036]

🤣🤣🤣

[@user-or9ut4zw6v]

I’m taking mine £80 fine is cheaper don’t care!

[@bowjana8128]

Don't blame you

[@thatiswhyali]

Do you inform the school before or after the trip? Need advice 😂

[@eightiesmusic1984]

Arrogance. Be part of the solution not the problem.

[@puclopuclik4108]

​@eightiesmusic1984 Maybe you can finance the difference between the term and no term prices. I think taking children out of their usual week is also education.

[@user-or9ut4zw6v]

@@eightiesmusic1984 nothing to do with arrogance it’s common sense, private schools close a week early so they escape the ridiculous prices, if you can finance the crazy difference in flight/hotel prices then by all means wait for the last day, your kids your choice, the last week of school is pretty much no learning so technically my kid isn’t missing out, we go 3days earlier and have been doing so the last 8yrs made wonderful memories! To each their own.

[@gillianessien7417]

Here in Canada you can take your child out whenever you want but you're also responsible for the work they missed. Are British parents willing to take responsibility for missed work or do they just want the fun part of the holiday? There's no problem taking our child out of school if you don't make the teacher or school responsible for the work your child has missed.

[@BP-of5cp]

My nephew in Italy gets to travel 3 to 4 times a year and at 10 years of age has visited at least 15 countries and he's learning his 3rd language, making friends all around the world and he's mature beyond his years. When he gets back home and at school he writes about where he's been and does a little presentation in front of his classmates. It's history, geography, languages, culture, food, architecture, art. He learns how to move around in different cities and places around the world. A few weeks a year abroad teach him so much more than what he's learning in class. Having been in the UK for nearly two decades I can say UK school curriculum is also so far inferior compared to other European countries. Trust me they would not miss much if they went on holiday.

[@mjl2904]

@gillianessien7417 that is fair in my opinion. The problem with British parents is they would not take the responsibility for their child’s education. There is a culture in the UK that the schools and teachers are responsible for their child as and when it suits them.

[@BP-of5cp]

@@mjl2904 the British parents I know all work and have worked hard to own property and give the best they can to their kids. They also expect the kids to put maximum efforts into education because they want them to be successful and get into good universities. I can believe that parents who sit at home collecting benefits because they cannot be bothered to do anything in life are hardly caring about their kids education but I'm hoping that's not the majority of parents.

[@BP-of5cp]

@@eightiesmusic1984 I hope you're right 👍🏻

[@dronene8472]

How about you address the practice of bumping up the prices out of term time?

[@crispybits3765]

The root cause of this are the massively hiked holiday prices during the school holiday season. Until someone makes them regulate their prices over the whole year, people will keep taking kids out of school during term time as it is cheaper to pay the fine and take a rap on the knuckles from a grumpy head teacher.

[@danielcampbell3686]

Athough I agree you shouldn't take your kids out of school for a family holiday, and its sefish to do so, the fine should be much higher than £80 more like £500 per child. I do also think the government should bring severe pressure on the travel industry to keep prices the same as they are outside term-time so parents don't feel they have no choice but take their kids out of school, just to be able to afford a family holiday.

[@Antonio-wh3oq]

Yeah this looks more like it’s designed to be a messaging thing more than anything. Almost like they’re hoping the thought of “losing money” will deter some people without actually setting a fine that can serve as a real deterrent. Plus £80 is such a weird fine to set. They really couldn’t even spring for £100?

[@puclopuclik4108]

Yes, let those poor children never have a holiday. I hope the teachers would pay the fine for strike as well. My children lost 10 days due to those strikes last term. But my 5 days of holiday would demage my child's life.

[@Antonio-wh3oq]

@@puclopuclik4108 Yes, let’s pretend like the summer and winter months and all the other breaks in-between don’t exist.

[@puclopuclik4108]

@@Antonio-wh3oq It's not about not having breaks. It's about the prices during holidays.

[@Antonio-wh3oq]

@@puclopuclik4108 Is the kid gonna die if they don’t leave the country *every* year? It’s not like that’s literally the only way they can enjoy time off of school.

[@DominicMcGaughey.117]

Imagine if these guys took phone calls from the public like channel 5 jeremy vine.. they would be destroyed.. 😅😅

[@keithhorobin2163]

Can parents fine schools when school shuts on a whim? School by me closed on the forecast of snow one year. Not a flake fell!

[@gaylemckenna804]

Apart from attending school herself, I'm not sure what qualifies her to be the education minister.

[@Cappellano]

School absence is a very complicated area and we cannot assume that all of the kids are missing school simply to have fun. I work with people from all walks of life and many of the children who are consistently missing school come from deprived and troubled homes. A blanket fine will not resolve the underlying issues.

[@theolddog5129]

You will also be aware that schools take great care to identify the underlying issues and take appropriate actions including referrals.

[@Cappellano]

@@theolddog5129 One would hope, however not all schools are as attentive. I am familiar with a case in which the school was unaware of a domestic issue until we notified them, despite the child missing over a week of school. Schools in deprived areas are underfunded, have poor employee retention, and often rely on TAs and substitute teachers. Sadly, it is the children most in need who fall through the gaps.

[@theolddog5129]

@@Cappellano I agree with your comments about underfunding of schools etc. Having taken early retirement from my professional career, I do teaching and other work in one such area as a volunteer. Education is grossly underfunded in the UK.

[@ywiggan]

When my son was younger i took him out of school to model for Gap clothing. Obviously, i was his chaperone. By the age of 12, he had visited 34 countries, i paid the fines, travel was far more educational. Now 29 years old he appreciates how much he learnt on his travels

[@mange2]

If Childrens Education is so important that its not acceptable to take them out of school during term time, then Teachers need to stop having so called 'Teacher Training Days' during term time. Its one rule for them and another for parents.

[@atlasgabriel5461]

Labour going after parents as well as pensioners. They're just as cruel as the Tories.

[@pemj7360]

School fines have been around for years. As I told a head teacher. Your a teacher bot a dictator

[@SIGSEGV1337]

My children are not your prisoners.

[@outdoorsy01]

Also, it is not acceptable for teachers to strike.

[@eightiesmusic1984]

Yes it is. Striking is a last resort and everything was done to avoid it as pay decreased in real terms for years. It is at 2001 levels in real terms. If you valued education you would not make such a crass judgement.

[@puclopuclik4108]

​@eightiesmusic1984 The point is if a parent is being fined for taking children for a holiday, shouldn't the teachers be fined for as well? Both parents and teachers do it for money. Many people can't afford a holiday in the term dates.

[@eightiesmusic1984]

@@puclopuclik4108 Fined for going on strike. What planet are on ? Just remember your appalling attitude when your employer treats you badly with conditions of service. Do not complain, accept it.

[@puclopuclik4108]

@eightiesmusic1984 If parents should be fined for taking kids on holiday, so should the teachers for not teaching. Can you explain how my 5 days of holiday are sabotaging my child's education, but 10 days of strike is ok?

[@puclopuclik4108]

@eightiesmusic1984 I'm in a private sector. If I had missed my work for no good reason, I get fired.

[@Masud_S_Hoghughi]

I went to Whitefield School in Cricklewood north London - one of the worst schools in the UK - it was utterly pointless, you don't learn anything in a school like this, so why bother attending?

[@mariasadiq6630]

She is talking utter nonsense. Taking kids for a holiday or odd days doesn't ruin their future chances especially when they have a good attendance at school. It's all about home education nowadays

[@IanBirkin-ej8zb]

Will they fine themselves as children in care often fail to attend school on a regular bases...they are the corporate parent...I dare say they won't fine themselves.

[@bowjana8128]

No future for the youth anyway may aswell go on holiday

[@NBush-nz8ph]

😂

[@bowjana8128]

@@NBush-nz8ph true story

[@NBush-nz8ph]

@bowjana8128 okay, but that means teachers are being paid by people who don't have children to sit about as you go on holiday and not work/not take yours to school. 😂

[@bowjana8128]

@@NBush-nz8ph yes but what future do they have look at the state of the country

[@NBush-nz8ph]

@@bowjana8128 I will make you believe again, I promise

[@anthonystephenheath3752]

What about teaching kids about trans hopeful that’s scrapped

[@PaulineGreen-d6r]

Why is it OK for teachers to have inset days when they've just had 6 weeks hols thus delaying kids education. Also applies at other times of the year.

[@gaylemckenna804]

Inset days are for training so that the government don't have to pay supply teachers to come in and teach while teachers get up-to-date training.For example if you are in the NHS you would get time off for this, days back etc ...

[@Lmtthw8651]

Seems Labour are being just as bad if not worse than the Tories in punishing parents. I don't agree one iota with fines and I don't have any, just punishing the poorer and poor. I would of hoped Labour would remove the fines.

[@da-xc4sv]

The usual waffle from GMB, blame the last government, then don't improve anything.

[@leilaevans2564]

I don't like this lady. She speaks like she doesn't have a soul. I'm sure she can afford to take her kids on holiday in the school holidays. We have normal jobs, work hard and we save every penny we have to take our kids on holiday. It literally costs more than our annual mortgage payments. For us we just wouldn't have any memories of our children on holiday if we didn't go in term time.

[@yasminbilal1657]

Ahh thank God for homeschooling 🎉

[@hordesofchaosify]

I find it disgusting, when i was a kid back in 2000's went on holiday never affected me I have a good job its a money grabbing system. I bet when these teachers or mps or anyone they went on holiday during school term and has it affected them? No it hasnt clearly. We need stop punishing parents and children to having a Right to a family life, also teachers on strike and teacher training days they affect childrens education but its ok cause teachers have caused it, it sickens me and wish i could tell then face to face

[@eightiesmusic1984]

Bad attitude. Poorly written comment, lack of punctuation. Embarrassing.

[@ricardosmythe2548]

​@@eightiesmusic1984Is it hard is it to comprehend that children gain far more in there development visiting another country and absorbing different cultures than they lose missing a week of "education"

[@eightiesmusic1984]

@@ricardosmythe2548 It is not hard to comprehend because you are wrong. It is their education not there education. Some work needed on your own understanding of the difference. Good luck.

[@Antonio-wh3oq]

@@eightiesmusic1984Seems Ricardo might’ve missed that week of English class.

[@wesleydouglas1914]

How about you Stop schools closing soooo often for, - polling days - elections - Teachers training days - inset days Family holidays are more important than closing schools for polling days. The country needs fixing fast

[@stuartbell3656]

If all working people got the same holiday time off as MPS people would not need to take their children out of school. The next time MPS get a pay rise they should have to have a productivity clause, this should take holiday time away from them and let them have 2 weeks off the same as train drivers get.

[@chriswoolley6250]

I got taken out of school for 2 weeks every year. I got very good gcses, a levels and have a degree and am a charted accoutant The only people this benefits are the holiday companies who have probably redirected their funding from the tories to labour

[@keithhorobin2163]

And school doesn't teach anything in the weeks before and after a holiday... Just watch films etc

[@Rammy7696]

If you home teach you don’t have a problem. Will this see more people teach from home?

[@evelbsstudio]

The sats are all about school funding now that they are all private/academy's

[@kappaslapper14]

Are people forgetting , every kitchen has knifes :/

[@youya3.0]

Yesss but they're not "cool" like the ones they see in videogames ... Actually I refuse to have sharp knives in my house...my vegetable knife only cuts veg....my bread knife is the sharpest one I own...but picture a ninja coming at his enemy armed with a bread knife....🤪 .... not cool

[@nikki-qm9wz]

Just think if mo one took kid out they make no money 😂😂😂

[@JoanParkin-m3d]

If travel firms were not allowed to triple prices during school holidays then perhaps a few more parents could afford to take their children on a well earned break when it's the official school holidays

[@daveseemerollin6357]

£80? Bargain mate

[@blueskies666]

If holidays were not so high in price parents wouldn’t take kids out

[@theolddog5129]

Noting the comments from parents about cultural experiences whilst on holiday rather than in school, I have done quite a lot of teaching as a volunteer being a semi-retired professional engineer in a highly demanding field. Firstly, it is not necessary to go abroad to experience other cultures. The majority of schools these days are multi-cultural and children can experience other cultures simply by having a positive attitude towards their peers. Secondly, learning of mathematics and science subjects is incremental and the harm done by missing just one school session multiplies as time progresses. More and more jobs these days require the ability to apply mathematics and scientific analytical skills - even car mechanics and gas engineers now require these skills. There should be no doubt that parents who take their children out of school during term time are harming the childer's prospects for the rest of their lives. The parents who take the view that the children are theirs and not the school's prisoner are depriving their children the opportunity to learn key life skills. This is to work within set standards. Most reputable employers will not wish to employ someone who cannot or will not work in accordance with the organisation's standards. The fines should be made proportional to the parents' financial means in order to be effective.

[@silverman6930]

I will pay no problem.: I will take mine for sure

[@pemj7360]

Since when did schools become enforcement officers and not teachers. I see schools and as indoctrination centers. Fortunately my kids kedt school. But had my run in with various heads . Here's something for parents to think about. Being as we are always being told how important school is. The next time teachers go on strike. Fine the schools £80 per child and enforce it

[@eightiesmusic1984]

Reactionary nonsense. There will not be any teachers left soon given the disgraceful attitude of so many parents undermining schools. In each of the last two years 44,000 teachers of working age left education and the next set of figures is likely to be similar meaning almost 100,000 will have left in three years. There are major societal problems now but they are going to turn into the mother of all nightmares very quickly when schools are being attacked from all angles; by parents, government and the media.

[@evelbsstudio]

My nephews mother is seriously ill in hospital, this could be the last time we see her alive and he can not have any time off. If she does die she can only have 2 days to morn the death of his mother and its all put down as unauthorised time off. I am seriously disgusted with the systems inposed upon us in the UK, school is now a prison. I have serious thoughts over safeguarding in schools these days, they have to attend school even if they have highly transmissible viral infections. Its is appalling.

[@leighannclements7849]

💔 bless your poor hearts 😭 much love to you all.

[@sherimillman53]

What about other countries and how they do it rather than use harsh money tactics.

[@Londonlight522]

Well you save a lot more than £80 on term time holiday, I’d take the holiday tax.

[@Moonlightsonata-o8r]

I’ll pay the £80 already booked to go before you announced this

[@YaBasicMillenial]

Totalitarian state

[@YaBasicMillenial]

@@eightiesmusic1984 Each to their own

[@tribhuvankarki3625]

Satan act gone khalas