It’s sad to see how lightsaber fighting went from this to this….

[@thebattledroid8138]

For all the people who don’t understand why he put the fights he did, He did it on purpose to show that literally any fight (not the original trilogy) can and is better than the fights in the sequels.

[@jamesfaust7434]

The sequel trilogy fights fit perfectly in unison with the prequel fights. Director wanted the fight to be more realistic as real sword fights don't last as long as ep. III was. Also Rey wasn't a dueling God like obi-wan or ani who spent their entire lives training instead of Reys short training Montage. Just wouldn't make any sense for Rey to be a better fighter untrained than any of the prequel jedi

[@almightykingpin6322]

@@jamesfaust7434 no one’s saying she should’ve been better but the duels were terrible kylo ren was trained in duelling and he was just as bad

[@jamesfaust7434]

@@almightykingpin6322 that's what I'm saying. The fights were made intentionally "worse" because of above stated reasons. You'll also note that kylo was an awesome fighter against the red guard as well as the knights of Ren. They couldn't showcase that level of ability against Rey or she woulda lost immediately and that would be movie over.

[@lorddio4280]

Have you seen Luke vs vader in Ep5? It isn't meant to be a fair fight. It is one man toying with the other.

[@TellSomeoneWhoCares]

@@jamesfaust7434 I can totally agree with what ur saying but I just think if they woulda introduced rey in the first movie of hers as a girl who had it hard in life and carried like a bat or baton or something that can resemble a lightsaber she could have shown more instinctive fight moves against kylo and the overall fight scenes coulda more aligned with Kylo being trained and being better but Rey holding her own as fighting for the entirety of the rebellion. Not disagreeing with u just kinda not too impressed with the directors ability to expand the box in which they thought from, hv a good one

[@rishimallepally4971]

It’s awesome how Kylo Ren, who has been training since he was a teenager, is at the same skill level as a girl who picked a lightsaber two weeks ago and her only form is Baseball Bat form.

[@theexplodingDarkrai]

Didn’t kylo ren train since he was a small child?

[@rishimallepally4971]

@@theexplodingDarkrai his Jedi training maybe but his Sith training only started after he left Luke’s Jedi order

[@theexplodingDarkrai]

@@rishimallepally4971 ye, that’s what I meant lol

[@rishimallepally4971]

@@theexplodingDarkrai I think he was a little older when he turned but I could be wrong. Still he’s been training for years and Rey hadn’t even heard of a lightsaber like a month ago.

[@theexplodingDarkrai]

@@rishimallepally4971 exactly

[@FuzionGamr]

“I’m all the Jedi.” You wield the youngling slayer 9000 yet you fight like a youngling.

[@luv5043]

Hold on how the hell does this not have more traction

[@jibanyanawesome8577]

Exactly. "This dagger has done some terrible things." Yeah just like the saber you wield.

[@yochs8284]

Well, the youngling fighting a bunch of clones was clearly better than rey.

[@theaterlightman89]

Youngling slayer 9000! 😆

[@iamjayrts1846]

Bro, stop the insulting. This is undeserved. The younglings did nothing wrong to be compared to this bitch

[@MazarineLeipzig]

Back in my day, when you were stabbed by a lightsaber, it meant you were dead.

[@jeremiahscott2032]

True but it actually had to hit you in a vital area, not just cut

[@seraphinberktold7087]

Stabbed to death by a lightsaber? That can only happen if you are male! ;-)

[@seraphinberktold7087]

Stabbed to death by a lightsaber? That can only happen if you are male! ;-)

[@gbear0385]

the only person who actually dies from a lightsaber is qui gon literally every other force user stabbed by a saber survives 💀

[@LIFE-fs8zr]

​@@gbear0385uhhmmm wtf happened to two of the master's along windu when they tried to capture the chancellor????

[@Ludwig1970]

I can’t even really remember why Rey and Kylo were even fighting anymore, that’s how forgettable the plots were.

[@outdoorscholar6016]

The first duel was the best. Kylo wanted revenge for the Resistance blowing up Star Killer Base, he absolutely wrecked Finn in like 48 seconds (Would have been faster had he not been hit with that bow caster bolt), and you could tell that he was a better fighter than Rey until she let the Force guide her.

[@whitedragoness23]

Foreplay for them

[@elgusaniiiodeljuego6823]

Was there a plot in first place?

[@Ludwig1970]

@@elgusaniiiodeljuego6823 No and that’s exactly what you get when identity politics is prioritized over storytelling.

[@charlieross4674]

Reason was she goodue and he baddie

[@MsCreepyChan]

"Compared to the Sith and Jedi of old, we are but children playing with Lightsabers" - Kreia

[@abyssano78]

She said this in front of the tomb of Tulak Hord, the lord of hate, the greatest sith of all time

[@willhalling6873]

So true

[@austinkersey2445]

@@abyssano78 We can't really confirm that. He kinda just has hearsay and rumors for his power and might. He could have been only Darth Maul level for all we know. And we never will because Legends is dead as a doornail unfortunately.

[@abyssano78]

@@austinkersey2445 personnaly i think that a guy that's called the lord of hate and put an enormous monster guy in stasis is pretty powerful, plus, he is class, and have an armor, so he is obviously powerful

[@buttsmcgee50]

Meh, Vitiate and Revan are objectively stronger Sith.

[@cryoetta2293]

Rey: lemme freeze his lightsaber in place, then swing at his frozen lightsaber🤡

[@leoslayz6743]

That was some shit to think about

[@tru3_xev154]

She did try to hit him he just blocked it in time

[@p.a.w.sthetravelinggamer6750]

@@tru3_xev154 with what? His other hand?

[@arron2lucas]

🤣🤣🤣

[@demon-dfwy7126]

You just ensured that i will never watch any of new star wars,as a OG fan i cannot witness such blasphemy

[@user-hz8wr2kp4c]

Prequels had the best fights by a fucking mile

[@kickballjedi]

Thank you for adding the story scene from the video game The Old Republic. I've always felt that was the greatest lightsaber battle choreography ever.

[@Mez254]

Facts 💯

[@ncleasure94]

Let's remember that Christopher Lee was a masterful swordsman both on and off screen. He still holds the record for most number of swordfights in film and personally designed the curved lightsaber hilt. If anything, he was woefully underutilized.

[@2bit156]

He was legendary. May he Rest In Peace.

[@hansolo374]

Sorry to burst your bubble but Christopher Lee was replaced with a double for all his lightsaber duels with an early deep fake face replacement check thd bonus features if you don't beleave me

[@Ep4368]

Sure, you can’t even spell “believe” correctly. And where is the source for your statement?

[@hansolo374]

@@Ep4368 ohh a spelling mistake don't piss your pants! And I told you my source the dvd blu ray extras. Lol you pick up on a tiny spelling mistake but miss the answer to your question. There's no disputing his sword fighting prowess but by the time atoc came along age had the better of him. He did close ups but the more intricate moves was a double. This isn't new information most star wars fans know this.

[@hansolo374]

@@Ep4368 kzbin.info/www/bejne/e5ywg5uIidiJh7M your welcome !

[@Phillisophical]

I hate it too but you have to realize this… in their era, lightsaber fights are extremely rare, all the forms they can practice are pretty much gone because palpatine wiped out all knowledge on the arts and practices of anything having to do with the Jedi and old sith. So the reason they fight like kids in a backyard is because they are just acting on instinct rather than actual skill.

[@user-mg1dx5tb1l]

Disney does not know how lightssabers work. That is why so many people are surviving lightsabers injuries.

[@darththor3982]

do you mean Luke, Vader, and Maul?

[@naufalyusri2273]

Luke got his hand chopped off Meanwhile Vader and Maul had so much hate and anger that the Dark side of the force helped keeping them alive just so that they can get their revenge and surprisingly they hate the same guy 🤣. Either you die a hero or live long enough to become a villain

[@freelands8355]

*looks at a list of characters from the Legends era that survived lightsaber wounds* Yes because only Disney can make that mistake

[@kasrkin110]

If you are on the level of a sith lord anything is possible. Or jedi that can beat sith lords. But ordinary force users, one stab and you are done like dinner. At least by original star wars logic. Although, even Revan needed a suit for space walk, so i guess even the best had to follow some rules then.

[@LegendOfTheFLame393]

​@@darththor3982only the dark side can allow you to survive through sheer hate alone the light side can't help you getting a lightsaber to the gut or decapitation

[@wheezus2000]

Original trilogy: broadsword/samurai style Prequels: crazy ass kendo Sequels: drunk homeless man with a machete

[@Lu_R]

You, my good sir, deserve more likes

[@TheTorqueAholic]

"crazy ass kendo" i'm weak lol

[@redlion-paladin4609]

Nah bro, a drunk homeless guy with a machete has better form than the fights in the sequels

[@Shinzon23]

And the shows? Ashoka has dope duels

[@penguin3540]

The original trilogy was more just Vader having his own fighting style and Luke not really having proper form yet even at the final fight but he used the dark side to give himself more strength. The prequels were the most civilized time of lightsaber combat and it makes sense that it’s easy for them to wield it and spin it around. Then the sequels have someone who has barely trained a year who is already more powerful then rotj Luke and she can stand up to the literal grandson of anakin Skywalker who has been trained by snoke and Luke for years.

[@hjk8692]

“If you were to face an ancient Sith Lord in combat, you would learn that we are as children playing with toys compared to the prowess of the old masters.” - Traya

[@SomeRandomYTer]

If Rey joined Kylo, this is how their awesome training would have gone: Kylo: ~ throws lightsaber-resistant baseball ~ Rey: swings for home-run. Kylo: yes, that is the way.

[@UltraSaiyan419]

Great character, great game.

[@Direfloof]

This

[@daggercatz7297]

Who was traya

[@fadingghost9723]

@@daggercatz7297 she's the character that essentially functions as your character's master at start of Knights of the Old Republic 2, she's called Kreia at the beginning of the game though.

[@enderethan144]

Same can be said for MCU fights they went from being actually serious and tense to slapstick and goofy.

[@Pailzor]

I was hoping the "to this" would be two old men slowly clashing lightsabers in the Death Star.

[@zinkyink3342]

You didn’t include the Mustafar duel (Which is in my opinion the best duel of all time) Edit: dear god 9.4K likes? Thanks guys!

[@zidanarfanazizy2433]

He did it on purpose. He showed that even not the best duel can beat the latest duel

[@jiggleballs55]

You don't have to say in your opinion when you speak the truth

[@thetalker4280]

@@zidanarfanazizy2433 what

[@smudgesludge5560]

I agree

[@hotglazydonut5233]

@@Blrrb he is saying even the average bland fight or better then any newer duel.

[@The_Backman]

Finn wielded the saber better than Rey tbh

[@ReVocals]

Ikr, the form

[@NamesAreOverated]

I'm very disappointed he didn't become a jedi instead of Rey

[@lightsabercollector3096]

finn was the only good character in the sequels change my mind

[@shawnroy7806]

@@lightsabercollector3096 he was force sensitive but didn't tell anyone I am literally about to cry 192 likes

[@platt167]

@@lightsabercollector3096 poe was great

[@TheChuckfuc]

In the sequels they aim for each other's lightsaber, like children playing with toys.

[@StriderZessei]

They did in the prequels, too 😂

[@CoraCreates]

@@StriderZesseiNo??? Liam Neeson was an actual trained swordfighter iirc!

[@StriderZessei]

@CoraCreates regardless, they still had to choreograph their fights, and if you just do a simple search, you can see even in Ep. 1, they're swinging at each other's weapons.

[@TheChuckfuc]

@@StriderZessei the sequels duels are objectively worse and it's pretty obvious. The prequels had their issues, but the fights weren't one of them.

[@StriderZessei]

@@TheChuckfuc no one is saying the sequels are better, just pointing out that the prequels did the exact same thing you're complaining about.

[@Sirbozo]

Bro 💀 darth sidous turned airplane mode on

[@Draedon126]

And the first two Jedi masters were towering people

[@lusor_lucky4966]

The Old Republic fights are probably the best looking Light Saber fights ever created

[@benn7991]

Honestly.

[@gavomorg762]

100%

[@chloespell]

also the most misleading game trailers of all time lmfao

[@MaximusRacellius]

They should give the trailer designers a budget for a full movie

[@Jaymhits]

Agreed. But you can do so much more with animation and push the boundaries.

[@X-man1137]

"They don't raise Jedi like they used to" the nineth sister

[@yeetwchybaban]

Heh

[@X-man1137]

Thank you for all the likes

[@btill8692]

Fucked up star wars

[@jesuspernia8031]

I don’t even like the new characters like the inquisitors but damn that quote is right

[@cardinalhamneggs5253]

It was a more civilized age. Obi-Wan said so himself.

[@ririswat]

what Yoda wpuld said: Disney a sword fighter you need in your set!

[@EldenGuy]

Kylo not easily winning be like: “Years of academy training WASTED.” 🤡

[@sindrimyr2423]

Years of academy training? I don’t think so, he doesn’t even understand basic Shii-Cho let alone any other forms…

[@thatrandomguy2153]

Is that a toy story reference?

[@whiskey8140]

I AM MRS NEZBIT!

[@glicthmonkey0]

@@sindrimyr2423 I think it’s a toy story reference bud

[@dpax2195]

@@sindrimyr2423 it’s a Toy Story reference you foolish child

[@langianimations416]

Freezes the saber then proceeds to hit the saber even though she had a wide opportunity to strike him down Edit: Resolved, don't add another argument, chances are its already in here.

[@Crownzz.v.r]

Fr tho

[@Sloth_45]

@@Crownzz.v.r if the guy who belived palpatine says that we all know rey is stupid af (even if you wouldn't hace said it we all would know it)

[@baconbandit4694]

You say that like palpatines fight made sense 💀

[@theseer6196]

Strike me down then your training shall be complete

[@langianimations416]

@@baconbandit4694 nothing made sense

[@NJplays72]

Why didn’t you do Anakin and Obi won’s dual that has the ABSOLUTE BEST CHOREOGRAPHY EVER

[@derekthomas3636]

Probaly to show that even "bad" fights from the prequels are better than the sequals

[@rainmaker2338]

Ah yes, the Palpatine vs Jedi fight where the Jedi had multiple kill shots on Palpatine but didn’t take them bc the choreography wasn’t planned well?

[@reallyhimongod]

That spin jump Palpatine does makes me laugh every time its so extra😂

[@shaggyrumplenutz1610]

The book says he does some sort of Sith power scream when he does that move. It made the weird-ass twirl he did even funnier since it reminds me of the Power Shriek off of Adventure Time.

[@shaggyrumplenutz1610]

@Ahmad Cole he is freakishly scary in the Darth Plagius book. If you haven't read it check it out. I am not into reading Star Wars novels, but that one was entertaining.

[@richierich8905]

Naw it’s the Jedi masters getting killed in second with basic moves 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@GoSkaTeproductions]

That man is always extra.

[@shawnminor7639]

REEEEEEE 😂

[@westoneuler4065]

Those SWTOR trailers really were some of the best star wars that has ever been released ever. They’re perfect.

[@rooney0423]

Chills every time I watch them

[@la5081]

I still go back to them from time to time. Heck. Imagine if they included the saber leap in this clip!

[@ArkhonXIX]

I literally just damn near wrote the same comment. Gives me chills watching it too. Amazing

[@StarWarsTairiqueClips]

Bro the way the master Jedi saves her by launching his lightsaber at the sith was crazy fire 🔥

[@DynamiteGuys]

were? shit they're still making them. a new one just came out

[@GoatsOnABoat-rt1wz]

As if the first fight wasn’t choreographed terribly, you honestly made the kylo fight look pretty good

[@epic-fictionalprojects4394]

The dialogue is also child's play "I am ALL the Sith" like kids playing in a sandbox with toy lightsabers or even just sticks

[@K1NG-KA1]

Imagine if the old movies had the technology of the newest movies it would be crazy

[@spynx3167]

There's a KZbin video where someone edited the Obi wan Vader fight in A New Hope with new fx and it's sick Here it is kzbin.info/www/bejne/qqCVhICknJmoZ80

[@WhyAyala]

No it wouldn't... Lucas already did it and ruined those movies and people crucified him for it.

[@K1NG-KA1]

@@WhyAyala wait fr?

[@BackBeater]

@@spynx3167 send link homie?

[@alloftheabove8522]

@@BackBeater its scene 38 remastered

[@danielmachado97]

Prequels: "There are 7 unique forms of lightsaber combat." Sequels: "JuSt HiT iT 'tiLL iT DiEs!"

[@JonathanLittle001]

🤣

[@Zamed-hg5nu]

Top 5 razones to prove why Kylo hadnt finished his training: Number1 :

[@wololo835]

lol at all the "star wars fans" who don't even know there are forms of lightsaber fighting

[@Ebamber3]

To be fair, it does track with the timeline By the sequels all Jedi masters were dead aside from Luke Skywalker, who himself was only a master of form 5 and wasn't formally trained in lightsaber combat by another Jedi So it makes sense that certain proficiency in lightsaber combat and force prowess were lost to time

[@Zamed-hg5nu]

@@Ebamber3 de esa manera entonces Ben debería de usar la quinta forma de combate o como mucho la séptima al ser un sith, pero Rey... No tiene entrenamiento ni para el Jujo aunque la tía esa sea una Mery Sue :v

[@animalhalo5984]

Hot damn that throw to deflect Malgus was smooth AF. I miss these cinematics. I wish We could get an animated series in the style of the old republic trailers

[@Mantelar]

I need to be reborn in these games an unbeatable virus that wins every duel by waving the Sabre around like one of those laser pointers you distract a cat with.

[@jeskerjames3260]

Dooku needs to force ghost his way into the sequels and show these brats how a real duelist wields a lightsaber!

[@SRTyler392]

Dooku was a beast always one of my favorite lightsaber duelists

[@jeskerjames3260]

@@SRTyler392 Dooku is so underrated. One of my favorite Sith Lords.

[@cole5086]

@@jeskerjames3260 He is definitely not underrated, you just don't know how much we all love the Count.

[@tristendunn1808]

Did you watch obi wan?? Vader would destroy him...oh wait

[@LA_HA]

This just shows that the academy was needed because one master teaching every Force sensitive kid can have a diminishing and limiting effect on their learning. Many masters open the imagination, trains the varied talents, and helps the learners Much More than a single master -- even of Luke Skywalker's stature. Good thing for The Sequel Force users that none of The OG and Prequel Force wielders were around to show what they would've done to them. haha

[@paulanderson4917]

The thrown lightsaber save is so damn sick

[@cerebrophage7709]

Kinda cringe to me.

[@czkiller7378]

@@cerebrophage7709 what an amazing argument🤡

[@jasonalcatraz5817]

The Jedi had to not only be focusing on his fight with a Sith Lord and not die but also focused on the fight his apprentice was also involved in. And did so to such a degree that he was able to throw his lightsaber in a split second just before his apprentice could be killed, while not leaving himself compromised and vulnerable to his opponent for too long. That is insane when you really think about it.

[@hobomike6935]

@@jasonalcatraz5817 is it possible to learn this power?

[@dravenocklost4253]

@@hobomike6935 Only through devoted training.

[@henryparker9670]

Nothing will ever top the prequels and the clone wars when it comes to duels.

[@HuntertalksComics]

things like this make me really appreciate getting to come in to this new within the last year so i can learn from the OGs in the community. gladly gonna stick to 1-6, surrounding shows/material maybe, comics, and keep the "magic" alive. glad i finally ventured into the star wars community but not glad to see the direction it’s taken in recent years

[@MrFreddyFartface]

It feels like the latter fight was choreographed for longswords or other heavy weapons, disregarding that lightsabers weigh next to nothing in the Star Wars franchise

[@brianp6859]

You still don't fight like that even with heavy weapons lol

[@MrFreddyFartface]

@@brianp6859 Well no, of course not, you only fight like that if you find yourself drunk in the jungle and you're trying to hit a monkey with a large branch

[@skeletor8212]

They only weigh next to nothing if you are a force wielder or have a connection to the blade

[@shiloallard186]

Their suppose to be light but the hilt has weight.

[@MrFreddyFartface]

@@shiloallard186 Absolutely, it's a stout chunk of metal in your hand with barely any leverage, which I feel is consistent with the prequels, especially the duel on Mustafar, where they had a bunch of incredibily quick moves by simply twisting their wrists, whereas actual swings like when Anakin fought Count Dooku were a bit slower. Always keeping in mind, however, that the actors in those scenes actually had physical blade-like protrusions of some sort of polymer from their hilts, while the fully animated fights in the games had "proper" lightsabers with the blade weighing nothing. And despite being a huge fan of Star Wars, the physics nerd in me always thinks of the blade as being made of plasma rather than light, even though you can't "focus" plasma using any crystal, Kyber or otherwise.

[@seedlesspumpkin3654]

I like how a random girl who had never used a light saber in her life was able to beat someone who had been training sense childhood. GOOD JOB DISNEY

[@Jackp499]

Bruh Kylo Ren was extremely injured and Rey was shown to be decent with a Mele weapon so it does make sense

[@jeffbezos3501]

@@Jackp499 It doesn’t

[@kendi5391]

@@Jackp499 Yes, but that was in Force Awekeens.

[@rylennoah7744]

@@Jackp499 melee weapon, lightsaber, dude that’s a wide difference. She was good with a metal object, rather than a lightsaber. A lightsaber takes training and effort to master in the movies. You can’t just pick it up and automatically know how to use it because you used a damn metal pipe. Like tf

[@Jackp499]

@@rylennoah7744 I can see where you come from there but it does give her a bit of training and Kylo is extremely injured during that fight

[@TheBriguy90]

So I have a theory that revolves around this. In the prequels (and all predating SW stories), the Jedi/Sith were trained in many different styles of lightsaber combat (Makashi, Soresu, etc.). After order 66, the few surviving Jedi, went into hiding, and stayed hidden. Anakin, now Darth Vader, was limited to his Form V (Djem So) and couldn’t do what he used to do as Anakin because of his injuries & his suit limited his movement. Obi Wan and Yoda aged and weren’t able to keep up with it. So during the originals era, Luke had no true teacher of lightsaber training (Obi Wan died shortly after meeting Luke, and Yoda never trained him, so far as we know, in lightsabers. Only the Force) or the forms of combat, thus he basically taught himself, and then taught Kylo & Rey. They fight the way they do because they don’t know any different. Hence why the acrobatic, amazing lightsaber battles died off. There was no knowledge of the forms to be passed down.

[@Christian_Prepper]

PALPATINE's ARREST is the WORST CHOREOGRAPHY! No way three of the greatest master jedi move like molasses, wait to take turns and get killed in seconds.

[@KillerQueen434]

The old republic fighting was so smooth and sync

[@FatalCorleone07]

Can't wait for the Remake on PS5

[@suicidalbunny1608]

​@FatalCorleone07 there's gonna be a remake?

[@FatalCorleone07]

@@suicidalbunny1608 yes sir. KOTOR, and remarkably, I think PlayStation is spearheading it. Very, very early stages rn tho

[@dorksaber4451]

@@FatalCorleone07 wish it was for xbox sense the original was only for xbox so it makes sense but it’s whatever i’ll hopefully have a ps5 by then anyway

[@FatalCorleone07]

@@dorksaber4451 I did find it weird that the franchise switched console brands but hey..even with the Xbox Series X SUPPOSEDLY the most powerful system out, on paper, games still run much better on the PS5, so

[@izimari]

TOR's dueling scenes always hit unbelievably different, even the small things like how the guy threw the saber to save his partner, so much technique conveyed in the scenes

[@sparklymop]

That's not KotOR. Thats the Old Republic MMO. One of my favorite games atm.

[@umbradens6129]

@@sparklymop swtor is the game but kotor is the first game of the franchise so some just call any game or books from the old republic after kotor. it is what it is.

[@sparklymop]

@@umbradens6129 I've never played Kotor, tbh. I'm sure I'd like it, just have never gotten around to it.

[@CrankyBuddha]

I've literally never heard anyone call tor "kotor" unless they were tongue in cheek calling it kotor 3, and I've been playing it since the beta...

[@izimari]

Oopsies

[@nathanmeredith]

they went from fireworks, to firecrackers.

[@HellCaster145]

nah fireworks to a sparkler💀

[@BxNcVsper777]

It’s like pro wrestling nowadays, went from storytelling to flips and dives 😂

[@etrangray-mane8610]

More like from storytelling to telling the audience to stuff it and act shocked when the audience stops watching.

[@Ace_of_D14monds]

Lightsabers before: lazerblades that can cut through almost everything Lightsabers now: bat

[@SebastianTheMemer]

🦇

[@Wade_Fucking_Wilson]

Man

[@GabrielBadoyen]

Inflatable bat🤡

[@jennyreatiraza6354]

😭😭😭😭😭

[@alucard624]

Wiffle bat in the first Force Unleashed.

[@moxxiiscarlett7141]

When you thought arresting the senate would be easy, *_but he does a 920 backflip corkscrew spin from the prone position_*

[@orbathealien8868]

Then proceeds to merc two powerful Jedi with a Force Scream and a couple swings. Mace must've been at least a little... Shocked 😏

[@AquilasCry]

The second he did the 360 dive is when I knew they we’re screwed

[@tedbed1389]

I like how you called him "the senate"

[@Filet_Gaming]

@@tedbed1389well he IS the *senate*

[@Patryc]

@@tedbed1389wow that joke didn't just register with me until just now 😂

[@corie_1032]

Old republic era was on a whole other level. Much tougher back then.

[@user-xx3ng6lf1m]

I always loved watching the part in Attack of the Clones during Anakin vs Dooku when the lights got shut off and they kept fighting with just the light of their blades

[@NumbingDisasterAnon]

Still remember that scene of a guard dropping his second weapon he could have killed Rey with during a blade lock for no real reason

[@ArukiTsukaru]

Yesss in the throne room fight 😂 oh god I snicker every time I remember that

[@SomeRandomYTer]

The Rey side of the Force is a plotway to many abilities most consider to be an asspull.

[@omnibill]

yea that should def be in here

[@MegaSpideyman]

@@SomeRandomYTer Is it possible to learn this power?

[@owenmenning3878]

You dont remember shit, u watched a video that pointed it out

[@thenuggetlord4290]

“I have all the Jedi with me” Yeah all the younglings too 😂

[@maxhadrian8680]

Bruh (´⊙ω⊙`)

[@johnnyherrera2908]

Bruh😂💀

[@mortalkomment8028]

Brutal

[@JoeJacksonsBelt]

the damn younglings 😆

[@JesseEVH]

I was gonna like this but you're at 666 hahaha

[@TheLordstrider]

the prequels 1-2-3 were the pinnacle of Star Wars lightsaber fighting. it will never come close :(

[@joshuaweinbender6075]

If Rey represented all of the Jedi then the order deserved to die and stay forgotten

[@mattmillie007]

Isn’t it weird how Kylo fights with such grace & composure as a “dark side adept”, while Rey fights veryyyyy aggressively & angry as a “Jedi”

[@cloudthefourth]

I think it has to do with Rey being a Palpatine defendant and Kylo being a Skywalker

[@DarthSpock9940]

@@cloudthefourth Makes no sense if you remember that Anakin SLAUGHTERED children but you do you

[@zoeservo5474]

@@DarthSpock9940 plus Anakin is reckless but yeah they do them

[@mattmillie007]

I honestly think it woulda been better if Rey was the dark sider & Kylo the Jedi. Cuz that double bladed red saber that flipped open was dope asf, huge missed opportunity.

[@marcusthefurrie7463]

Count dooku - an surprise to be sure but an welcome one

[@joshgibson3477]

So I’m not crazy. I keep thinking “this feels so lame” with all the Disney lightsaber content. Just the action in general has been so hollow.

[@tristendunn1808]

Did you watch obi wan??? Has some amazing scenes

[@MrKingJson]

The thing is Kylo's form had lots of potential to be entertaining, it wasn't because he kept getting shafted to make Rey look good.

[@dylanbright6184]

The fight scenes were like medieval claymore fights. I imagine lightsaber power comes from the wrists, forearms and legs but theyre swinging w their shoulders and it looks awful. Choreography sucks in the new trilogy

[@Pupalah]

@@dylanbright6184 a lightsaber's power comes from the fact its 90000 degrees. All of these wild flashy swings are just silly. Watch the corridor digital short. Imo episode 4 has the most logical lightsaber fights, not the most exciting to watch, but the most realistic.

[@kissynuggett3727]

@@tristendunn1808 agreed Kylo shoulda been the star

[@boz6544]

Im gonna say it... Darth maul vs qui gon and obi wan was the sickest choreography in a star wars movie to this day

[@YoDnAdDiVaD]

Maybe it’s just me but the whole holding back the blade and seeing the energy get pushed was freaking epic. Not disagreeing per say but that’s was dope as hell

[@themightiestpen]

The swotor cinematics are so damn good it ‘almost’ makes me want to play the game

[@MisterSchitt]

Then you remember that the combat in the game is NOTHING like the trailers. I still love the game, though. F2P garbage aside.

[@masteryooda9087]

@@MisterSchitt lol it’s so much of a downgrade I just hope they make a newer version of if with better models and combat and explore more legends since that’s what it is now 😒

[@xTHExLONExWOLFx]

What makes the sequel trilogy worse is that the cinematics in swotor, at least in this scene, aren't even outside the realm of possibility. Actors in the movies are completely capable of fighting like this and yet whoever is doing the choreography is giving us children swinging a stick

[@jonteg9689]

If you like story games it's one of the best imo. Top 5 favorite story games ever

[@shadagoat4500]

@@xTHExLONExWOLFx oh and what I liked about swotor is that they have a very iconic character voice actor Marcuas from gears of wars the cowboy looking guy they had captured man I’m a huge gears of war fan but when I heard the mc of gears in a Star Wars swotor cinematic film I was deff hype ass soon as he said get to the choppers know Omg Im sounding like a whole fan boy cause it fits his characters voice always fighting against the Lucuts(in war)went of topic their

[@TheShadowHatter]

Maul fights were the best because the actor was an actual trained swordsman and even had Christopher Lee in awe of his talents.

[@mr.voidout4739]

Yup, Ray Park. Not just a swordsman, a world-class martial-artist that's pretty much an expert in any fist or weapon.

[@TheShadowHatter]

yeah dude is a legend and it's really cool when even the great Christopher Lee is learning from the best and gaining a skillset like that from a scifi movie.@@mr.voidout4739

[@rathenslog8490]

Christopher Lee was also a trained swordsman

[@kostastube2010]

I think Hayden was the most skilled, even then Ray. I would love to see them duel in a movie!!

[@hashimashadoo]

@@rathenslog8490 The guy who taught Lee said he wasn't very good though.

[@fritzie1968]

I still have to watch the yoda fight at least once a year. That was amazing work!

[@romantashevRT]

Love the Bulgarian music used in the "Resurrection - TapiuanTheGod"

[@DRKCLDSHNJI]

I've always liked the technical fact that as we go farther back, the Jedi and Sith fighting is better and better. There was more of each, and training information was more readily available.

[@PAKallman]

Interesting! Never thought of it like this before. Good call.

[@Joryu.]

That's an excellent point. Gives meaning to the relatively tame fighting styles of the later movies.

[@jaredheller3383]

This is the way I always saw it. Despite the order in which the movies were released, you have to see it as a timeline. Lucas even described it this way as in the prequels, the Jedi were in their prime. By the time the original trilogy comes around, Obi-Wan is an old man (and has neglected his training as now seen in the Obi-Wan series), Vader is mostly machine and wouldn't have the movement he used to, and Luke is training without the facilities the Jedi used to have access to, so his form wouldn't be as refined. My only beef is with the new trilogy. Rey basically learns way too much by herself, although I knew from the Force Awakens that she would be related to Palpatine. Watch her fight with Kylo Ren in relation to Palpatines fight with Windu. She uses the same lunge multiple times. Their styles are very similar.

[@ericolsen5592]

It's a dying art

[@br9760]

@@ericolsen5592 Exactly. While information IS on the decline in the Star Wars universe, this is just the typical case of Disney not trying hard enough to make good product. Skilled or not, the recent fights were boring.

[@NeonPixels81]

Whoever choreographed the fight sequences in The Old Republic Online really needs to be put in charge of ALL ligthsaber fights. They felt literally flawless. Some of the best saber fights in the franchise, bar none.

[@yasininn76]

Yes, because they're CGI

[@housetraitor4806]

@@yasininn76but they were still choreographed

[@yasininn76]

@@housetraitor4806 yeah, and they were still enhanced with CGI. Have you seen the remake of the duel in A New hope? That's 90% CGI and look at how better it looks.

[@JayImmortalTV]

@@yasininn76 Like we didn't see 10 years of marvel CGI making people look super acrobatic, come on bro we both know they can make it work seamlessly

[@vonckjordy]

​@@yasininn76that's not how cgi works little bro

[@zmanuniverse7602]

I mean even a mad toddler swinging a lightsaber at me would still leave my bowls void

[@yoboicrust]

Don't you just love how she freezes his arm in place then proceeds to hit his lightsaber rather than hitting him lmao

[@557deadpool]

And yet the Prequels get shit.....fucking hate it here

[@invaderhemp1138]

No different than when they do some unnecessary dumbass spin that would realistically get them stabbed or sliced from behind but doesn't because plot armor in the prequels lmao

[@invaderhemp1138]

Or in this exact scene they chose to use where they didn't stab Palpatine when they had the chance. If we're gonna bitch about Star Wars let's not cherry pick

[@557deadpool]

@@invaderhemp1138 you dont know shit about SW so your opinions means fuck all

[@mertala1085]

@@invaderhemp1138 they were freezed bcs of his force scream 🦧

[@randomanon9180]

I mean, canonically, all the practitioners of the 7 lightsaber forms were dead. There was no way for Rey or Ben to truly study and train in the saber art forms.

[@renren225]

Luke had an archive of jedi knowledge. And had been trained by 2 of the greatest practitioners of lightsaber combat among the jedi. There were very few jedi better than yoda at dueling I believe Windu was a better duelist in the canon. Either way kylo had definitely recieved some lightsaber training from luke as padawans start training at a young age.

[@es_three232]

I know this is legends now but Luke re-learns all old forms of LS styles through old Jedi holocrons & through meditation with the Force itself.

[@buttsmcgee50]

These people will do anything to hate. Dooku was a master duelist, Anakin the chosen one, Sideous and 4 Jedi grand masters (who’s fight was horribly choreographed), and an animation of the Jedi battlemaster who’s literally the best saber user in the Jedi order at that time. These people are so stupid they can’t see that kylo and Rey shouldn’t be as good as any of these other people, and if they were they would just cry the same shit they already did about Rey learning things for no reason, when Luke did the same shit in episode 4. They’re all just idiots.

[@lexhowardtanque6751]

@@es_three232 yeah but disney had to retcon that annoyingly

[@samrobinson1374]

@@renren225 this is true. however, the only lightsaber training obi-wan gives him is the little bit we see with the remote on the falcon. And considering that Yoda tells him that weapons aren't that important, I doubt he taught him anything

[@lemonsquidge3134]

One thing I do like about the sequel fights is the scenery, along with the effects. I might get hanged for this, but the Starkiller Base fight is actually one of my favorites in all of star wars

[@fmita_]

In Disney canon, the three masters who were killed by palpatine would’ve survived😂

[@a55a55inx]

I can see why Rey wouldn't have the same skill set, but Kylo has no excuse.

[@amnesia5490]

I don’t get all the hate for Rey to begin with. She was unnecessary sure, but she isn’t really a bad character, just not the one anyone wanted. Kylo is the worst character in all of Star Wars. His emo conniption fits, his worship of his redeemed grandfather’s genocidal warlord period, his retarded saber crossguard that wouldn’t work as a crossguard cause it would just cut the damn emitters off. His entire story is just stupid from start to finish. I also bet anything if they had chosen to make Rey Obi’s kid (one of the original contenders since they didn’t decide until the last movie) instead no one would have cared.

[@trnovsky33]

@@amnesia5490 In normalfight she would died by Kylo hand in few moment of fight but they made this BS

[@ImPyroChad]

@@trnovsky33 you mean just like how Anakin shouldn't have been able to pilot a fighter plane in The phantom menace? Or how Anakin was able to take on Dooku- The Guy who trained Qui Gon who trained Obi Wan who Trained Anakin? That's at least 2 layers of Imperfect training and Anakin was still able to hold his own against him when he realistically shouldn't have even lasted 10 seconds 🤦‍♂️

[@trnovsky33]

@@ImPyroChad with first statement i disegree but with second i agree

[@amnesia5490]

@@ImPyroChad or Luke went from dude getting his hand cut off to slaughtering Jaba’s crew like ants with seemingly no training resources at all. Or did Obi-Wan leave 12 training holograms for Luke like anakin did for Ahsoka and it’s just never been shown? Yeah, he trained with Yoda to learn basic force application, but I don’t recall any lightsaber training at all. Or really anything other than jumping and lifting stuff. But yes anakin was the best example. Somehow an uneducated slave learned enough electrical and mechanical engineering to build a functional c3-po, his own custom pod racer which he somehow built to race standards in a junkyard and could magically pilot better than the pros from the very first time he started the engine. It was like some 8 year old building his own F1 call and then first time driving and he’s lapping Lewis Hamilton. At least with the fighter he had r2-d2 with him who probably could do a good bit of helping. Then Obi-Wan somehow solo kills the dude who out-dueled his master in a seemingly fair 1:1 fight cause he got angry. Or how somehow the Jedi can sense force aware children with weak power to raise as padawan, but they can be around their favorite senator for decades and never once sense a thing. Heck, they couldn’t even sense dooku turned. Meanwhile Obi-wan and Vader could sense each other by simply stepping on the same planet (Death Star). Star Wars has ALWAYS leaned Fantasy Sci-Fi. Not to mention Kylo shouldn’t have had anyone to practice lightsaber dueling with for like a decade. Star Wars training has never made sense and generally all the characters just get better at everything they try/wanna do over time. People need to deal with it. I was also not talking about either of their fighting skills but their characters. Their motivation, their thinking, their goals, etc. With Vader who committed all sorts of mass genocide and other atrocities for decades, and Luke is like “I can feel the good in you, let go of your hate” meanwhile Kylo who seemingly grew up in a peaceful life with loving parents (compared to anakin a slave who’s mom was murdered by tusken raiders because he didn’t go pick her up a few years sooner, lost his wife, was told to betray the one guy he kinda trusted by the people who preach honesty and made him a child soldier… at least he had some reason) but he apparently already was leaning to the dark side just the same to the point Luke feared it and somehow Luke is now like “I can feel the anger in you… die”. And suddenly Kylo slaughters everyone, runs, tracks down some random new Sith master seemingly out of no where, all because his uncle was scared of him. He worshipped his grandpa but seems to have totally missed the whole reason anakin turned to palpatine was for the power to save his loved ones, meanwhile Kylo killed his dad in cold blood. Then betrayed his Sith master to take his spot. Then suddenly “oh I’m good again”. I totally get people thinking Kylo is cool with the helmet and neat sounding saber with the stupid cross guard, but well written he is not. And it’s much much worse than Rey. At least Rey had already been rocking a quarter staff and fending for herself for her whole life. You act like she would have never experienced a fight in her life before. Thus, Kylo Ren is a crappy character, Rey is just not a character anyone wanted. After the TFA there was lots of excitement and debate on who she was and if she was like another force baby like anakin or Obi-Wan or Qui-Gons family cause of the accent or secretly Luke’s kid, and they were excited to find out, it wasn’t until TLJ when Rian came and just started character assassinations where the hate really started. People got mad about what they did to Luke and blamed it on Rey for seemingly no reason at all other than them sharing the screen and him dying to help her (conveniently forgetting he WAS trying to help Kylo and Leia too). The difference is huge.

[@nanshi8614]

The saber throw save was hands down one of the coolest moves I've seen in starwars right up there with starkiller bringing down a star destroyer

[@umbradens6129]

those swotor vids just hit different they are all fantastic from these first run to the practically short film quality dlc ones

[@iantophernicus6042]

Bringing down the star destroyer is an excellent spectacle to watch, less so to play..

[@mrnostalgia864]

Just imagine Rey going up against an Old Republic Sith.

[@tylerphillipss6436]

What show/ movie is that third clip in? Please I need to watch it

[@JakkFrost1]

@@tylerphillipss6436 it's from one of the cgi cinematics for the mmorpg 'Star Wars: The Old Republic'. You can find all of them on KZbin.

[@macy_1]

At the end, there was no teachers. Everybody was just swinging at how they thought it was supposed to be. Residual damage from order 66

[@anonymousdontbotheraboutit2895]

Truly an elegant weapon… for a more civilized age

[@Xaldoun]

Prequels: anime like sword fight style OT: smooth slow fight style like simple real life samurai Sequels: swing until it hits something alive.

[@cckiller0053]

What about game trailers?

[@Delicashilous]

@@cckiller0053 prequels Category

[@RandomMackem3247]

Sequels: hit till it dies

[@NINJASAZUKI]

@@cckiller0053 the game trailers and animated series like the clone wars had some really good saber fights. They really butchered the sequels

[@gator5793]

The OT was limited by the props strength and cgi capabilities. They literally couldn’t do much more than that which is why Lucas made the fights more energetic in the prequels cause that’s what he really wanted

[@meme.5126]

"I'm all the jedi." *holding the exact same weapon that was used for terrible things and uses a sword like a bat*

[@Tempusverum]

*Terrible. But great.*

[@srptmal3028]

@@Tempusverum Terrible but sh!t.

[@Tempusverum]

@@srptmal3028 I take it you’re not a fan of killing younglings

[@akkaein_6957]

You act like as if she was trained properly

[@pegasusrr3156]

A lightsaber isnt a sword Its more of a bat

[@dragonchild4491]

Well that was terrifying. the voice actually made Lady Blanc ten times scarier what the heck

[@HamzaArfaoui-zy9kk]

I think Disney forgot that lightsabers are made of LIGHT and not freaking metal

[@I_like_turtles_67]

( jedi hand gesture ) " There are no sequels. "

[@DarthVader-6637]

These are not the sequels we are looking for. :look there over there(points towards Dave foloni(I can't spell his name right no need to tell))

[@gameclipking246]

Ok both of these comments are so underrated

[@eugene1279]

What sequels?

[@Tony_spumoni]

Yeah both of these comments are amazing ❤️

[@jlopez240gaming7]

Sequels to me are a what if situation. Like what if Luke just said fuck the galaxy ima stay on an island after trying to kill my sister’s son. Thanks Disney 👍 to me the Star Wars legends books are the true sequels.

[@jonahcarichner5140]

Golf commentators when they see Rey swing her lightsaber: “Wow, a beautiful swing. It seems she will be on the green and set up for a potential birdy.”

[@MrStillings]

"Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made.” J.R.R Tolkein

[@TheKinkyHobbit]

The old Republic scene goes extra hard. Need to see a live action of that. Also old Republic ships look so much better

[@bushidotestu1997]

It went from something deadly and elegant to “let’s swing these big glowy sticks around”. Seriously even Din has a better grasp of saber combat then Ray and Kylo and he’s likely to burn patches of skin off on accident

[@hellboy6636]

Yeah plus din has the problem of struggling with the dark saber but still kicks ass

[@spofman]

Fr

[@hibarikyoya854]

Have youve seen the originals? And I remember when everyone was clowning on the saber fights in the prequels

[@bushidotestu1997]

@@hibarikyoya854 your not wrong but if anything that actually pisses me off more. The original trilogy was the blueprint and was basic for a reason and the prequels and games stepped up with said blueprint to the combat we know now. The new trilogy on the other hand feels like it actively took a step back so while its better then the original trilogy combat wise it just feels like a downgrade in quality

[@lewispooper3138]

The original wasn’t every elegant

[@yanikpicardleduc]

Always a pleasure to see palpatine doing a 920

[@geoffreyherrick298]

Screw attack!

[@jennyreatiraza6354]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Darth Sidious

[@d.p.l9623]

That light saber throw was cold

[@slicer2938]

I remember Anakin was always critized for being too OP but Rey is just stupid because instead of being OP everyone else is just incompetent to beat her. like Kylo Ren the big bad Sith Lord can't hold a candle to a desert girl who only heard about lightsabers 2 weeks prior.

[@adam1ooo]

Hayden is one of the best to ever use a lightsaber. Could watch him fight all day!

[@ispilloil]

His form is really good. I just wish the acting wasn't so monotone and dull in the prequels

[@cheesedoodle7]

I don’t know I think Ray Park could give him a run for his money

[@CowlKumori]

Objectively, Liam Neeson actually was. He had prior training in swordplay and became a legitimate danger to everyone else on set

[@jamesestelle7260]

​@ispilloil he's Darth Vader. Darth is monotone and a dry vocal sound. That's the point. He became like a wooden soldier over time scorned by the life he loved.

[@alexblankson23]

​@@cheesedoodle7ge gas a Fandom because he passed sadly. There's absolutely NOTHING amazing about Baylan.

[@adi-boi1935]

Kylo be swinging that lightsaber like a 9 yr old with a baseball bat 💀

[@xLanzer]

Hey, I actually like Kylo's combat style

[@fork9001]

The jedi swinging lightsabers like jim and tommy with them brooms and dustpans (not the other way around). If I were a Jedi I’d probably knock out big Palpy or Yoda in seconds in a duel because they can’t defend themselves from punches or kicks with the weird lightsaber combat methods, only dodge them. A well place hook kick during one of those periods of the blades clashing is probably going to make a big difference. Besides a lightsaber is ineffective against a good’ol ‘35 slug. They should have made it more realistic and similar to real life fencing (like in the OT), or made it more than fencing by combining it with martial arts rather than just full on anime style. But choreography in Kylo vs Rey and other duels in ST is bad too so I’m not defending it.

[@xLanzer]

@@fork9001 dude it... Doesn't work that way. You can't use it without the force

[@fork9001]

@@xLanzer Yes I know Sabine can’t lift saver without force but why would they ban turning it off to break a lock

[@captainnoobhd143]

Nah, hear me out, Just look at Rey for like 2 seconds

[@aydansterling]

Anyone else see Clone Wars in theaters? After Obi Wan and Anikan got clapped Yoda shows up. Whole theater was cheering when he dropped his robes and got into stance.

[@averagechadlegionary5824]

They swing their lightsabers like they’re extremely heavy in Disney’s Star Wars.

[@francisnicolas1819]

OK, but let's not pretend the Sidious jumping thing wasn't goofy as fuck.

[@eduardozepeda1337]

It's not very different than Yoda doing those goofy hops, while fighting Tyrannus.

[@francisnicolas1819]

Apparently Sidious’ actor, Ian McDiarmid, got no prep time, and unfortunately it shows. I’m guessing Windu brought the best duelists he could find at short notice to back him up, but instead they went down with almost no resistance. I think only one of then, besides Windu, did more than parry Sidious’ attack for like a second.

[@DawidKov]

The original plan was to have a much longer fight between Sidious and the Jedi, you can find videos of the stunt actors practicing it. The Jedi put up a lot more of a fight, but go down one after the other. However, the film was already rather long and included a bunch of fights (Dooku, Grievous, Sidious twice, and of course Anakin vs Obi-Wan), so they decided to cut it.

[@doortofreedom5832]

I'm pretty sure in cannon that was supposed to happen really fast, as in they could only really see his saber, but I don't think the actor was up for it (along with the run time issues)

[@francisnicolas1819]

Yeah, in my head I'll try to pretend that Sidous was exerting his force powers or something on the other Jedi, but it doesn't translate well onscreen in my opinion. @@doortofreedom5832

[@benjaminmoore7127]

Count Dooku would’ve watched this and call it the sloppiest performance RIP

[@Deconstruction_Administrator]

To be fair, Dooku had his lightsaber style based on the actual sabre style of fencing that Christopher Lee was familiar with. He asked for his lightsaber hilt to be shaped the way it is to better reflect that.

[@GHOSTTIEF]

@@Deconstruction_Administrator dooku is the most elegant fighter

[@rantman4521]

OMG it's so so sad. I'll never get over it.

[@TheCpobarnet]

Just wait until the Acolyte, they are introducing light saber whips

[@BelfackeR]

”I have all the sith within me!” “And I have all the Jedi within me!” Proceeds to fight like a silverback who found a stick in the jungle.

[@wakandapolatty]

No, she deflected all of that force lightning back at him so he exploded, killing Rey, if it weren’t for Ben Solo, she would have stayed dead.

[@traemaxwell]

Nick Gillard was the choreographer for the prequel trilogy. They apparently didn't hire him back for the sequel trilogy. It shows.

[@da-vidcargill4975]

it had to make sense, the jedi arts were lost to time and the sequels showed it, luke was not the greatest duelest among the jedi order

[@Imakeplaylists-in1pw]

Luke had 30 years to train in between the OT and ST. Not to mention there were at least a handful of Jedis who survived the Empire's reign, Jedis like Ahsoka. You'd think they would have reached out to him after he started rebuilding the Order and teach him everything they know including how lightsabers are traditonally weilded.

[@TheOneWhoSouls1405]

​@@da-vidcargill4975 That's all fine and dandy, but at least make it look good. No amount of canonical reasoning is gonna make the fights good. Kylo Ren was trained by Snoke, who somehow just happened to be controlled by sidious. So, if sidious controlled Snoke, and Snoke trained Kylo, then wouldn't it make sense for Snoke to teach Kylo how to traditionally wield a lightsaber?

[@factfiend1000]

​@@TheOneWhoSouls1405 Exactly, Sidious was a master of all seven forms and was a match for both Windu and Yoda. Anyone trained by him should likewise be extremely skilled in lightsaber combat. Good thing I don't consider the sequels canon.

[@Davross]

Yes because his fights were over choreographed. The fight in the Phantom Menace wasn't bad but after that it they all went horribly down hill. Sequels weren't that good either but at least didn't look like a dance routine. Empire and Return were by far the best.

[@CodyHomes]

One does not simply macerre the Art Of War or The Art Of Fencing without a dam good lore explanation and dam good reasons. I enjoy all of Star Wars. I'm still hopeful they improve from here and they seem to be trying yet clueless how to do far. It's my head cannon that I'm the sequels The Force is broken and created several wounds in itself including Kylo Ren, Rey Skysolo Palpatene, Snook, and Emperor, Senate, Sith Cultist Palpatene.

[@besaforreal]

I do really like the last fight between Rey and kylo Ren. I think it's just raw and I really like the atmosphere and the way they use their force abilities to block their lightsabers etc

[@jacob9043]

"I'm gonna block your lightsaber with mine one time and then we can talk for 5 minutes before we do it again!" "Let's do it!"

[@father9148]

What is the movie right before kilo and rey