It's Time: Jamie Griffin vs Luan Oliveira Play by Play, BATB 13 Finals Night Forecast

[@fiore_adriano]

Jamie Griffin's tre flip is like that because he learned how to tre flip on a carpet and the scooping motion wouldn't have worked, hence why it's different.

[@N0_Sweat]

He definitely didn't learn tres on carpet, he's been skating since he was a kid I always seen him in my local and he was still insane at skating

[@ReezyResells]

Nah that sliding Luan does is 100% fine, that's not only a make in any scenario anywhere in the world, it's also beautiful and abides by the rules

[@RealSkateStories]

Fascinating breakdown on the subtle back foot tre flip nuances. Feel you on the lack of hype this year. Such an epic tournament yet shooting six months of episodes the same day with the same big silent crowd lurking in the background signifies a massive mail in. We love BATB way more than they do.

[@jdmresearch]

You’re the man, TR!

[@civilenggggg]

The lack of hype is because BATB used to be us watching seasoned pros with heavy parts out play flat against each other. Now its corny youtube skaters doing flat, and thats not why I watched it to begin with. and please noone tell me Jamie has a real part out LOL

[@bensleath6624]

​@@civilengggggthe berrics as a whole has fallen off

[@lfgang9994]

​@civilenggggg Yeah corny KZbin skaters like Luan Oliviera, Eric Coston, Nick Holt, Sewa, Sean Malto and Mason Silva. Wtf are you even talking about.

[@civilenggggg]

@@lfgang9994 Nick holt, no reputable street part and came up in the texas youtube group of friends. He should not have been in your response. Eric koston is only doing it cuz he owns it and hasnt had a part in how many years. Wheres PJ wheres Shane wheres Ishod wheres ...look at all BATB history and you cant tell me this isnt the corniest one to date

[@StoneMehalblast]

Dude these are the best breakdowns ever

[@jdmresearch]

Season 14 should use dumb data’s elo system to create seeds - just like in tennis tournaments.

[@ramseyaaronr]

I will be happy if Cole wins. If he wins, he earned it.

[@nhberrics]

I think the reverting/slides are fine as long as it’s done clean and swiftly in one fluid motion. But maybe there’s a trick where it’s excessive like on a 360 where it’s like an Ollie 360 pivot on back wheels lol

[@OrderSnacks]

Yeah, to do a proper revert you have to land comfortably and add more effort/energy to a trick, and usually in an awkward way like the fakie hard revert. Definitely counts as a flatground trick as long as it’s set with a proper, and fast revert imo. Though of course it’s situational. Luan’s was good

[@azazelreficulmefistofelicu7158]

Unpopular opinion: a 360 and a 180 with a revert on top are two different tricks. If someone does a 360 ollie revert what are you going to do, a 180 ollie then spin 360?

[@dustyyshellz1320]

Jamie and Ellis frost did a tutorial on those treflips btw

[@degerdi]

Ellis Frost does 360 flips on soap in the shower

[@ArloSamson-n9j]

video name?

[@highthai7]

DUMB DATA is such a gem of a channel!!!

[@shookmusic]

keep it up, i love this over analyzing of the 360 flip. Great work!

[@toddsimone7182]

Definitely some funny business in the brackets and I'm glad you pointed that out. Jamie had to run through killers to get where he's at and Tyler just takes a walk through the park all the way to finals night. Almost seems like Tyler is sponsored or something 😏

[@imaverageatgamesbutimostly3431]

I would assume it also comes down to scheduling and when people can actually come to the berrics.

[@hiddenvoice27]

After his game against Joslin I no longer feel bad rooting against Peterson. I’ll be happy to see any of the other three win, but particularly Nick since it would be his first title.

[@biggl114]

I’ve been saying that about Dylan Jaeb. His flat ground is insane he should be in this. Also fun to think about this bracket if suciu beat Cole in round one

[@ashleybrown4754]

He has a clip where he does four different flip tricks in under five seconds. He would stomp people in this just joking around.

[@mclarensaleenf7]

True, if they only played traditional tricks and no circus stuff then Jaeb would go to finals at least. Dude has better board control on flat (and gaps) than any skater I’ve ever seen! It’d be fun if Jaeb replaced Griffin in this final as the others rarely bring circus type tricks. Not to hate on Griffin at all, would just be more enjoyable to watch.

[@degerdi]

The fakie hard 180 was so steezy it counts in my mind, Luan has so much style he makes even a bad trick hard to hate. How hard he goes at his tricks and how seamless they look are why a lot of people like him, and by comparison Jamie looks slow and sloppy but his consistency is INSANE. I would argue some of JGs makes should have been missed but he saved them with balance the same way Luan saves his with style.

[@degerdi]

Cariuma can s my d btw

[@RobL350]

But with Luan past his prime, he went harder and popped higher in the past. He's chilling out a bit it's noticeable.

[@evmac]

facts

[@Kaelziinho]

​@@RobL350he's getting older bro, unfortunately... The consequence of skate like him for that many years is that you have a big price to pay 😢

[@JeffersonSteelflexx]

It was all in one motion so it is good. I’ve never played games of skate where it didn’t count if you revert to complete a rotation of a trick.

[@nicholaspossinger7993]

My bread is on Jamie but if Cole is in the same kind of form he was against Suciu then i wouldnt be surprised if he ran it. But honestly i could see scenarios where any of the final 4 win really.

[@zskater1234]

I wish Cole goes dirty as hell and win the whole thing.

[@toddsimone7182]

Would be cool but I can't see him defending enough of Jamie or Tylers tricks if he makes it past Nick.

[@killmonger4169]

As long as Tyler Peterson doesn’t win, it’s a huge W for the skate community. Hope anyone but him wins!

[@toneohm]

I thought Jamie's vertical tre looked awesome

[@joshuadansby2874]

Best optimized vertical tre flip.

[@emmetclarke8678]

Tyler Cheaterson. That backside heelflip was unforgiveable; he should have offered the redo himself.

[@TKG_BDJCZOoACJCUSOoM]

It would be so awesome if Nick Holt wins. It would be so cool. He's been in BATB for a couple years now.

[@evmac]

the hype is there for me... i think having Cole is hella sick since he will not be as nervous and may play a gentlemans game rather than go for the throat

[@humanbean3]

the thing about gentlemen's games are that they favor different people. most people have the basics but have to risk a lot for hard tricks. people like Jamie have the basics, but also have a ton of hard tricks ON LOCK, literally no risk. So there's not many people you can give kudos for a gentlemen's game honestly.

[@vperkv6554]

As long as they int do any reg hardflips and fakie, cole will be alright. Im rooting for Cole to win it all

[@kevinsoler5299]

Dumb Datas videos are arguably better than the tournament itself.

[@leightonlawrence8832]

that back foot on his tre flip is in the center so he can pop vertically like a hard flip. this allows you to jump straight up giving the board time to flip because your jump is higher, and it keeps the rotation centered under you. good take on the tre bro

[@grimcity]

Such a fun breakdown! Jamie's really rad... I remember being introduced to him on some random YT and IG compilations when he was always releasing his living room footage and other clips of him tinkering with mind-melting combos. Really rad to see him blow up to the degree that he has... real grassroots shit. A skaterat's skaterat. Fantastic work as always!

[@humanbean3]

im always happy to see someone thats not a woodward kid or grew up in californian skateparks come up in the skateboarding world. people dont realize how rare and hard that is.

[@grimcity]

@@humanbean3 - truth!

[@goldenboy140]

Too bad his proficiency at flatground tricks doesn't translate to good skate parts. All his street skate footage is super lame

[@humanbean3]

yeah hardflip late flip down a 10 set is "super lame". quit talking shit for no reason child. @@goldenboy140

[@Frostytip5]

The reason jamie tres like that stems from the days of carpet boarding, ever tired one on a carpet board? You'll quickly find the scoop motion becomes very difficult you need to push down and then scoop, hence the central foot positioning

[@gretchman]

People rag on Tyler Peterson, but what they don't understand is that he is a super charming person who has a lot of good skate parts to watch. -_-

[@amadeusaliberti]

I get so excited whenever I see a new dumb data video posted

[@-jimmy_sk8]

There are only 2 people capable of beating Jamie Griffin. Spencer Barton is the best candidate to beat Jamie. In BATB 12 this achievement gets 4 letters. He being the only one so far to achieve that. And be careful, they were 4-1, Spencer because he trolled and Jamie came back epically. Still I bet if he faces off again. It's certainly a sure win for Spencer. (It also gives him much more advantage to see the tricks that he put and paid Chirs Chan in that Game of Skate) Tyler Peterson is another great candidate. Last year in the final it certainly seemed too close until Jamie started to take the lead. Plus he didn't get nervous about the crowd or anything. We see how he gets even in the finals. He may surprise us or he may fall again to a powerful Jamie. I would like to mention Giger but I don't understand how someone so excellent in the field could lose so easily. I know there are many factors at play, but he is stupid. It was assumed that at least he was going to go to the second round, but no. he again he fell again in the first one. Giger could easily reach the final with the tricks he knows how to do. He has plenty of death blows to use or can even make a 5-0 with the first 5 tricks if he wants to but he doesn't like to play this way. This will be a little strange but it would be a Dream Match to see PJ Ladd from season 6 vs Jamie from season 12/current. Who knows how much distance there is between these monsters. But just watching the Prod vs PJ Ladd or the Moose vs PJ Ladd lets me know who will be the obvious victor. Although Jamie also faced many titants in these 2 editions. 5 - 0 sewa, 4 letters to Luan in a row, 5 - 0 zach, 5 - 2 cole in the semifinals and so on. only 1 person has gotten 4 letters...

[@dumbdata34]

somebody watches competitive flatground

[@igomk]

Jonny Giger lives in Switzerland, this contest is in LA and it takes 4 months, the Berrics don't pay shit for these guys in terms of expenses and stuff, I'm still impressed that people think Jonny will advance to round 2, logistics makes it impossible.

[@RobL350]

Jamie beat Luan and Sewa handily when they past their primes, and zach's strategy of all shuv variations was ridiculously stupid and even disrespect IMO, Zach deserved Jamie ending it quickly after.

[@-jimmy_sk8]

@@RobL350 Zach made the huge mistake of believing that the same strategy he used against Jonny was going to work against Jamie...Although if he made a good defense, it wasn't going to be of any use. How does it get into your head that you can beat a guy like that who still doesn't know which trick is his weak point?

[@paulanthony1689]

After watching this tournament for years, here is my way of organizing the data: You have four main groups of skaters: the ones that have the unusual/ difficult tricks but aren't consistent (can't handle the pressure), or don't have the basics (e.g. Anderson, Giger); you have the super consistent basic guys that lack the "daggers" (e.g., Joslin, PJ); the guys that lack consistency and difficulty (the ones you wonder what were doing in the tournament in the first place); and the guys that have all the tricks and then the daggers too. The last type usually wins (e.g. Jamie, Cody) but as we saw with Joslin and PJ, consistency can win too

[@andreww4751]

PJ and Joslin definitely have "daggers"..

[@RobL350]

I don't know if you've even been watching but guys like Jamie do not have all the tricks, just insane daggers which is why once he gets on offense he quickly sets the difficult tech tricks. It's also why he misses fundamental tricks in the straight 16 for example regularly.

[@RobL350]

@@andreww4751 Yep this commenter doesn't know what he's talking about, he can't notice PJ, Joslin have past their prime (in years past they have all tricks+ daggers), and Jamie doesn't have crazy consistency/all the tricks. You'd know these 2 facts with basic level observation. I don't think he watches.

[@RealSurfStories]

Solid call. I would put Cody and Sewa in the first category. If they could harness their nerves (like we have seen each of them do before) they would be nearly unbeatable. Recently it's been easy to tell right out of the gates if they are in their own heads or not in the first few flicks. They almost always are, which shows the unquantifiable yet crucial aspect of the pressure. Can't imagine the frustration for those two when they miss basic tricks and it snowballs.

[@RobL350]

@@RealSurfStories Another one too stupid to know age plays a role and people pass their primes. What category would you put Sewa and Cody in in 2015?

[@Dave3rdEyeArt]

Jamie SHOWS us that treflips pop better with your foot in the middle of the tail...theyre just hard to learn, so no one has relearned them

[@Peter-ff1tp]

How you gonna talk shit about Cole? Did him and Suciu not provide the best game so far this year? Right off the bat? That performance alone was enough to get him to finals.

[@smeegain3657]

Thanks SLAP and dumb data - that name is quite accurate

[@Indonezian]

What you said @ 11:40, couldn’t agree more. When Jaime won last year, I was thinking he might be toooo good for everyone else in the competition. I like him though; very humble & respectable guy IMO. It’s always a sad day when Luan loses, lol

[@Disco_J]

No ELO upsets, and a couple of good games, DumbData analytics coming up with a W yet again. Edit: Also interested to hear what all those people who said Jamie didn't play "Gentleman's games" have to say about how Tyler handled their match up 😂

[@Oldslapmags]

I recently saw footage of Tom Penny 360 flip and it looked really similar to Jaime’s!

[@Tryingtogetradical]

I get why they have flat ground KZbinrs in this, but I want to see skaters who I’d actually watch a part from

[@gabrielsander1144]

That was such a great video, thank you so much. 2 of my greatest passions, skateboard and data analysis

[@civilenggggg]

I have no idea why I click on your videos still but I do....its weirdly addicting

[@danziggymarls]

This shit is THE CHRONIC! Thanks for the incredible content

[@TheGhostOfFredZeppelin]

I always figured Jamie's 360 flips were like that because of his stationary skating

[@jhebadiasprunklefunk9243]

Damn look how crazy biased the bracket setup is towards making it easy for a Cariuma skater to make it to finals, all the more props to Jamie for beating all those vets to get to the same point.

[@iblastyou4819]

I would love to see Nick take it all home. Been watching since Majer days.

[@FrugalRad]

Just came across your channel, epic!

[@Disco_J]

When the yt skate community needed him the most he returned

[@gurkdoinwork]

Gotta imagine Jamies foot placement is to minimize the chance of the board flipping when doing 360 shuvs. If you keep the same backfoot placement, you will have the same setup for both tricks. Only difference is the front foot flick forward vs getting outta the way for the 360 shuv.

[@YouilAushana]

Let them skate, thanks for the dumb data

[@itisjustacomment]

"Tyler cheat -son" , classic .

[@twuandixon8675]

I call those vertical tre flips butterfly tres, my cousin used to do them like that it was crazy.

[@Yodakaycool]

The Final Cut updates are cool to use

[@dumbdata34]

any final cut tips?

[@ichrism]

I appreciate the video on this one for real, but what about the legendary Nick vs Levi

[@cheesybeard2980]

man i love this shit. do you have data on the refs? not just who but anything that would evaluate their accuracy or "how good they were"? also, out of stoned curiosity, would you entertain the idea if the berrics reached out to you about either coming on to pick the invited skaters and set the brackets, or even doing a whole refresh on batb rules/format?

[@ivantwopairs1766]

So well written. And thought out.

[@astralboom.]

Tyler Cheaterson 6:48 , epic 😅

[@dylaytch]

Luan Olivera came into my sandwich shop one time and ordered a tuna sandwich with extra mayo

[@GhostYT_lat]

This is great intel!

[@FelixMartelet]

Some guy last year posted the exact same comment regarding Jamie in London.

[@dylaytch]

@@FelixMartelet don't trust him

[@jacobsmith3526]

Yo the editing is top tier

[@yCaos_bomdia]

almost cried when Luan lost😓😓😓my two fav skaters against each other? cmooon maaaan

[@toddsimone7182]

I feel you and Luan has always been my favorite to watch until Jamie came along. His bag of tricks is crazy and really takes this competition to another level. Hope he takes it again!

[@yCaos_bomdia]

@@toddsimone7182 both of em inspire me a lot, started skating bc of luan

[@EliWeaver93]

@@toddsimone7182 they are both great. I been a fan of Luan since 2013. I still think highly of him now as I did back then

[@WaitroseCarpark]

I love this shit, thank you

[@zacfabian3046]

Bro!, I noticed about the tre flip, and thought... Damn that's how they're supposed to look!!

[@Ghauntlys]

Nick needs to whip out that nollie 360 inward heel again

[@veryfrozen3271]

I hope chris cole does stupid wild tricks like his last game winnig trick. Thats what made mike mo so legendary he was so consistent and was not afraid to do goofier wildcard tricks like preassures. I hope tyler or chris wins but chris cole has said before he thinks he can win if he just does wild tricks. Jamie has his featerflip which is deadly. He also ofc has the mikemo flip. Looks like being super consistent plus having a signature wildcard trick is a must to win.

[@markp911]

Im rooting for Jaime again. Also I just want every Cariuma skater to lose because it would be a great upset. These pro companies ignoring Jamie too. Would be dope if he shat all everyone 2 years in a row. How many time he gotta win BATB to gain the respect he deserves to be sponsored by a bigger name skate company? Dude should be a on a major company by now. They are hating dude! Him having to face all final bosses was no accident either! CARIUMA strikes again!!

[@808adrian]

Nike should go for jamie

[@markp911]

@@808adrian I could see that.

[@OrderSnacks]

I think Cole is still as deserving as any. His first game was as good as a finals match against Suciu. To beat him alone was insane at over 40 years old, because Suciu would have mopped most of the other first round skaters and has the ability to take the whole thing. I agree Cole has had a full career of everything you can accomplish in skating already, but if no one can stop him at age 41 that ain’t his fault. Personally wanted to see how far Suciu would’ve gone, but he encountered a final boss first try. Hope Suciu returns Edit: would like to add that Cole accepting Vallely’s grab tricks is more impressive and likely harder than regular flat ground game, due to how niche and difficult they can be. I think it adds to his credibility instead of taking from it

[@thatbrandenkid]

Ily Chris Cole. Arguably the GOAT. But Cody losing that match was the worst thing that could’ve happened to this finals

[@tompainter7167]

Next level stats nerd out 🤓 with this ELO score shit, love it 😊 crushing those spreadsheets

[@Brian-xb7qv]

Dumb data with some strong criticism of BATB 😅slick

[@seanharrison5915]

As long as Chris cole doesn’t win I’m happy bros done this already is a legend yet still gets spoon fed a place in the finals

[@willmax95]

Good video my dawg

[@shainedupuis2649]

"A trick AND a broom!"😂😂😂😂

[@arnoldlewis7311]

i understand the way Jamie does his tre flips, i can tre flip that way and that's how i learnt them but I prefer to do it in a more different way

[@Nickeltony]

Once jamie gets you on T theres almost no hope. His deathblow is unmatched

[@joshualarson505]

I just hope Steve Berra lost

[@RatSewage]

Who?

[@joshualarson505]

@@RatSewage Hi Steve

[@phibu7517]

it might be all nostalgia, but i prefer a dry és game of skate over the last few batbs.

[@claravarca]

jamie vs luan was such a great game to watch! they are both so exceptional but in completely different ways, and while it has nothing to do with skateboarding skill, it is just that much more enjoyable to watch a game in which both skaters seem to be having fun, learning from each other, showing respect and admiration and warmth, and these two guys are the epitome of that. the pre-game teaser with luan saying that he likes how jamie has fun skating while jamie says he's a huge fan of luan's (who isn't?) was almost endearing really. that being said, i am not looking forward at all to watch jamie vs tyler. tyler's good, yes, but just not fun to watch. not even his amazing skills make me want to root for him, ever. i would be happy to see jamie battle either cole or nick holt as long as tyler doesn't get to the championship match. all in all, the bracket made the whole tournament kind of underwhelming. i wish this would be taken into consideration for the years to come, but i'm not optimistic or hopeful. it's more likely that they'll keep on doing the bare minimum and, silly as we are, we'll keep on watching and talking about it and validating their lousy work. 🤡

[@claravarca]

wow i do write too much

[@joshhiroti]

Tre goes vertical instead of sideways

[@sbshoemaker5768]

I hope Tyler wins. He is the most humble and focused guy. 🤟🏾

[@CiceroMonteiro]

I agree, Jamie don't need to prove anything on flat, he's just the best ATM, the berrics is just a free trip to the U.S. for him. I hope he wins tho.

[@Santiago_MX]

At 9:06 Cole does a tre flip very similar to Jamie's in the first segment.

[@iblastyou4819]

I don’t know if this is worth going into. But what the hell happened with Caffine app? Berrics was hyping the hell out of it last year and literally no mention of it since 2022 finals.

[@jamesreachman3797]

bro that fakie ghetto bird counts 100% that shit was crisp

[@randybotha4887]

I could tell Chris wasn't moving well in his game against Tyler, I didn't know he was injured though

[@XandersGame42]

Got a legit lol out of Tyler Cheaterson

[@D34ThL1VeS]

I think it's gonna be Cole Vs Jamie, and Cole will give him a run for his money (more than some might think) but Jamie will take it.

[@RASK1904]

The final four can start the next year's bracket in opposite corners.

[@zskater1234]

Jamie letter difficulty is probably very skewed due to his matchup against Johnny last year

[@dreamjackson5483]

Jamie is an alien

[@RobL350]

New era BATB (no PJ, Shane, Mo etc) with Joslin, Luan, Cepeda past their primes means Jamie wins. Peterson taking him out would be quite an upset. No 100+ turn battles in current day BATB, don't know the stats but no way BATB 12 or 13 featured one.

[@hygiverse]

Where are the black eyed peas for the halftime show?

[@tony_machine]

Would be sweet to get a 360 flip analysis on jason lee’s

[@PHeMoX]

Jamie does more of a pressurised tre flip. Yes, his switch tre is a bit worse, but not by much actually. He can switch tre for sure. The switch front 360 isn't a weakness. Not as long as skaters are allowed to revert that much. I think the rules shouldn't be changed for the revert issue. Yes, it would be more clean if a 180 or 360 is done 'in air' only, but I feel a lot of people can't do the full 180/360 stuff fully popped, which would add more chance. What I'm saying is that this would allow for exploiting the rules by doing only 180/360 tricks in hopes of the other skater to never do it high enough in air.... I mean, it's kind of why they don't allow for manuals, right? Too much of a specialists type trick.

[@debomb721]

If you are on offense whatever maneuver you set should be counted, if you do a hardflip revert all power slide that’s the trick and the opponent can power slide it like that too

[@romansweik]

TYLER CHEATERSON, I CAN'T 😂

[@luismigueljc6870]

Don’t sleep on Chris I been skating wit him his flat is consistent as fuk

[@n3oo]

offseason content idea: batb hall of meat

[@martimlima4015]

Luan's pressure flip was clean he just took his front foot out of the way and then exaggerated that movement. Clearly didn't flick

[@justinbishop7142]

Love these videos

[@samboswell3798]

what time is Finals night?

[@yoloautumn]

I never thought about it but its true: WHERE TF IS DYLAN?!

[@dumbdata34]

fakie flipping wallenburg ig

[@humanzee503]

It still blows my mind that they don’t have the same ref for each match😕

[@simandyinfisningsservice1099]

LOL 06:48 "Tyler Cheaters.....Uh excuse me, Peterson". Unexpected joke

[@caloyssk1]

i just want these skaters holt, tyler and griffin b2b maybe 💪😉