It Turns Out This Iconic Halo Lore IS WRONG (NEW REVELATION)

[@HiddenXperia]

Check out Installation00's part 2 of this gigantic investigation! kzbin.info/www/bejne/kKaYdnuFd5KLZ7M

[@thedidacthalo4167]

Got it

[@thethe8955]

Don't check out his review of the Halo TV show... Ffs

[@lololololololo]

noone cares but thanks for that in lights might as well speeplll...ffs.

[@rainbowloord]

please play C&C you understand this worlds timeline

[@evenlessbraincells9582]

Coulnt it be the Covenant AI?

[@darkspark5854]

It was the Warden Eternal trying to set up a dating profile all along

[@LAV-III]

Still getting ghosted by cortana

[@BlightedRefulgence]

Lol

[@masondwiggins9526]

Lol. I love how you said that. But who here likes Warden Eternal and wishes that we had got more lore on him?

[@lukeperryglover]

Haha awesome

[@yuhboyogteddy6691]

😂😂😂

[@pugsofsmallstreet5858]

The voice is Dustin Echoes

[@balleater-xq5wm]

get this man a true...

[@The-Black-Death]

Just Dustin Echoes, alone.

[@xxcrazymanxx1001]

I see what you did here

[@VeganChiefWarrior]

I did what you see there ​@@xxcrazymanxx1001

[@Founder6087]

Real

[@TheMartyODonnell]

I love all of you. I’ve talked about Professor Moriarty and who buried Paul once before. The key is the creators.

[@eRAD6127]

And this just flipped it on its head. “The key is the creators”. To me that would imply the precursors and the Forerunners. Precursors being “god” and man obviously being “man”. But if taken into context with the times the forerunners would be “god” and man being “man”. So that means it’s a forerunner AI like a monitor? Only issue with that is that there’s no AI other than Mendicant that went against his creators. 343 Spark kind of did at the end of Halo 1 by betraying chief, but to my knowledge Spark never went to earth prior to Halo 3

[@eRAD6127]

Okay now I’m even more confused. Professor Moriarty is a Sherlock Homes character known for his astounding intellect and orchestrating things from the shadows. Paul buried once more is referring to the Beatles conspiracy of Paul dying and being replaced with a doppelgänger to avoid public outcry. The professor Moriarty gives impressions of the Primordial. Something with incomprehensible intellect and orchestrating the creation of forerunners and humans and by extent what happens to them, even further once becoming the Primoridal and Flood and the final test against humanity that has yet to come. The Paul buries only really lines up for the Didact for me since he imprinted on Bornstellar, but that’s the forerunner trilogy that came out long after halo 3. I’m convinced this is either forerunner or of forerunner original like an AI

[@deanhensley9433]

Marty’s trolling

[@deanhensley9433]

@TheMartyODonnell are you implying that you put these vague things in the soundtrack with no intentional meaning to get fans to theorize about what they could mean?

[@josepetersen7112]

Love you Marty.

[@shadtracy]

Something interesting to note: In Genesis after Cain murders Abel, God questions Cain about his actions saying "Where is your brother Abel?" to which Cain responds "I don't know, am I my brother's keeper?" Because Cain murdered Abel and lied to God, God banished Cain to the Land of Nod (a life of wandering) and put a mark on him so that no one who found him would kill him. This lines up with Thel 'Vadam committing the "sin" of letting the UNSC destroy Halo, which he tries to explain away to the prophets. As a result, Thel is punished by having a shameful mark branded on him. Thel becoming the Arbiter could be his version of living in the Land of Nod, or a life of wandering.

[@HiddenXperia]

Ohhhhh damn that's a good catch, idk I how I never put 2 and 2 together there!

[@alexanderelderhorst2107]

hmmm so the arbiter unison theory would coincide with the cain theory because all of them where branded and hence they represent cain wandering in the covenants escapades.

[@haydnacosta9634]

Based comment is based

[@Noxadrol]

I see the semblance but arby at least the one from halo 2 onward is nothing like cain

[@VivaLaPigotry]

Hmm, could it be because most ppl arent super well-versed in old testamant stuff? Or ​that drawing a comparison between that particular atory and that of the arbiter is itself a reach?@HiddenXperia

[@Gen_Kael]

Bro, you're single handedly keeping Halo alive for me.

[@iFYMxDRKNSFALLS]

same. i tapped out on nazi zombies lore once Black ops cold war finished. and how that timeline is confusing. point being i’m glad He’s deep diving Halo lore for our entertainment:)

[@TensileMasculinity]

and mintblitz

[@WilliamEBReil]

Weren’t the corpses of the past Arbiters supposed to be subsumed into The Flood and fought in Halo 3’s cut content? Depending on the extent of The Flood’s neural physics abilities and the idea of genetic memory suggested in parts of Halo’s lore, it doesn’t strike me as out of the question that the collective memory of their guilt could be interpreted in these ironic verses by the ever so poetic Gravemind.

[@TrollingWolfGaming]

I'd love to see this cut content re-implimented, it's such a good interpretation.

[@WilliamEBReil]

Yes! It would have been chilling to see infected Arbiters. Somebody posted on KZbin about creating mods of this fight. That’s how I originally learned of the cut concept.

[@honcho4329]

@@WilliamEBReilu wouldnt even notice if its an arbiter or a regular elite

[@WilliamEBReil]

In the concept, at least how it was portrayed in the mod, the Arbiter armor warps similarly to the regular Elite armor. The iconic helmet is incorporated into the dangling head.

[@icantthinkofagoodusername4464]

I don't think neural physics as a concept existed in the lore during Halo 2/3.

[@slicer940]

10:54 I think that this could be the prophet of Regret while he is infected. At this point in the story, he’s the only prophet to have made it to earth. A prison of his own demise could be him realizing that he may never truly die since he is now incorporated into the flood hivemind but was never fully killed like Jenkins and Captain Keyes, so he’s aware of his thoughts. The 3,000 years and all of that rambling could be the grave mind pulling up memories of infected humans to show Regret the real history and truth of humanity’s existence. In turn making him live up to his name and regretting ever going to war with humanity now that he has seen the true error of the covenant’s ways and is experiencing the consequences of these actions.

[@requiem-fractos]

The Prophet of Regret was assasinated in Installation 05 by John 117. You refer to the Prophet of Mercy.

[@slicer940]

@ well no I know which one I am talking about. In Halo 2 he’s the only prophet that was infected and still alive afterwards. Mercy was killed, quite merciful too if you think about it. Mercy was never infected alive.

[@requiem-fractos]

@@slicer940 Oh... I forgot that bro was with Ins05's monitor when the Gravemind picked up the Master Chief and Arby. My bad lmfao.

[@thefallenC073]

Let’s be honest, it’s probably Mendicant now but originally wasn’t.

[@MasterCheeksOfficial]

1:45 Prophet soyjack moment

[@ryan.perhaps]

HA

[@Rocco049]

OH MY GOD YES!!!

[@keag117]

Hey I know you

[@shull3559]

I came looking to see if anyone had said this

[@MDE_never_dies]

“This is based guys! Look at this oracle!”

[@PelemusMcSoy]

2:35 In all my years of playing Halo 2, I never realized that the Flood destroyed a Sentinel factory. I was usually too busy running and not dying.

[@Zachary.S]

You walk into this destroyed factory later on in the mission

[@PelemusMcSoy]

@@Zachary.S I never claimed to be smart.

[@impairedtrout6917]

I thought it was human bruh

[@TheMartyODonnell]

4 questions: Who are the creators? What was their purpose? What did they create? Did they succeed?

[@leonidasxix4200]

Hmm now this is two fold too though. I think I am just going to look at the Halo 2 art book again.

[@BiomechanicalBrick]

They made a really annoying ip that 343 industries tried and failed to fix

[@hakanflodin4555]

Thank you Marty for all your contributions to the Halo franchise. Your music is the holy grail for me

[@LockheedC-130HerculesOfficial]

precursors?

[@UnrulyRantLord]

Good ol Marty still dedicated and cryptic as ever hahaha

[@icantthinkofagoodusername4464]

Speaking of Halo's biblical references, there's an extra fun one in Halo 2 I heard a modder bring up. In the final cutscene in Delta Halo's control room when Spark reveals the existence of the Ark, the holograms of the rings first appear in a formation together like a ball, which is a representation of a biblically accurate angel.

[@josiahtheobald689]

Sounds more like a Cherubim. Will definitely have to check it out

[@alaskamark4562]

That's interesting, in the Bungie era they didn't really try to make up a scientific explanation for how the Halo's worked like 343I later did, I always theorized that the Halo effect was some kind of means to produce an on-demand localized Rapture. There's a bright light and every intelligent being suddenly vanishes without a trace, sounds like the work of a Biblically-accurate Angel to me.

[@-MendicantBias]

Shit, man! That’s insane! The wheel-like angels are called thrones nevertheless, but this is a really creative and interesting theory.

[@icantthinkofagoodusername4464]

@-MendicantBias Guy called Vuthakral came up with it.

[@HaloForgeUltra]

@@-MendicantBias No the wheel like Angels are called Ophanim. I think.

[@ParanormalAcids72]

I might be the only halo fan who never physically saw that Sentinel factory being destroyed by mortar fire... I just keep walking and have never noticed... And then we walk through it later. That's actually crazy

[@WEAVERMACH]

You're not the only one. Don't worry, lol. I didn't notice until it was brought up in another video.

[@TheFroggyDragon]

You’re not alone

[@RNG-esus]

I've played through the Halo games more times than I can count and I never noticed that's what was happening too LOL

[@Alex06CoSonic]

23:58 Mind you, I'll add, that during H2's development, when the story was supposed to finish on Earth, the portal at Voi was actually not a portal originally, but the Ark itself, buried underground. It checks out. The Covenant's species are all conscripted, living mostly on ships. The leadership lives on a giant space station that can move, so it can be said that they sort of "wander" space ("Nod", in hebrew, means "To wander", sort of like a nomadic wonderer), instead of living permanent lives on a single home world. It doubly checks out.

[@evanhansen400]

So does the suit crank Chiefs hog or not?

[@YourDaddy00]

Yes

[@glittle2023]

Squeezed, not cranked hog.

[@kyleschultz8350]

I thought I had a big question. Yours is bigger……..

[@VivaLaPigotry]

Inquiring minds want to know!

[@BOAYang]

I’m warting my hog to this comment right now

[@slicer940]

12:46 could also very well be true because let’s be honest. Halo 2 was about the Arbiter. Chief was just kicking ass and doing his job while Arby was literally going through several life changing events in the span of like 2 weeks

[@awsomebot1]

In his video, 00 mentions how Marty said no one has come close to the answer. When Marty said this, he had already commented under 00's Arbiter video (meaning he has seen it). Ergo it cant be the arbiters

[@sophiawittmann-b7d]

Christian undertones is a forsaken pillar of halo and is why 343 stories don't stick like bungies did.

[@DeltaDanner]

It just feels like there is no overall story or direction for the franchise anymore. The original trilogy (plus Reach) makes a complete and well thought out storyline while with 343 it feels like they are reinventing themselves with every game that comes out.

[@The7DirtyWords]

right 343 games make me hate the company, Bungie games made me hate religion

[@buoyantsalmon]

@@The7DirtyWordsBungie games made you hate religion? I think you hated religion way before then.

[@boomerkobold3943]

@@The7DirtyWordsgo back to PReddit.

[@ooblah10]

We need the original handful of Halo writers back, and Marty and Joe Staten.

[@Jerad2142]

I used to always think it was the gravemnd when I was a kid lol.

[@neoflix443]

Me too 😅

[@achicken5422]

I always had a suspicion it wasn’t Mendicant but I had no actual reason to doubt it was him. I feel sorta vindicated now lmao

[@StephenAMCook]

I always thought it would be an odd reference considering he wasn’t mentioned in the main story of the games and certainly not in either Halo 2 or Combat Evolved.

[@achicken5422]

@ for sure, he’s a halo 3 invention. It would be like mentioning Tartarus mentioning cethegus or something

[@hunterh1175]

Love the sync vid release with Installation 00

[@Installation00]

Gotta co-represent!

[@Nathan-vt1jz]

Agreed. I really hope we get some solid new content from Halo Studios and can see more colab content.

[@ravingselunatic2890]

Could we also take into account? The prison of his own demise could also be the armor of which he is now imprisoned in because the armor itself could be considered a prison, a metaphorical prison

[@RapidSteve]

tbh I dont see how this was ever Mendicant Bias, Marty was right. The line "around for 3000 years" is just way too off for it to make sense

[@jo3y960]

I feel like the problem with DI is that its so ambigous that it can effectively be applied to ALL parties involved in Halo lore. It applied to Mendicant because a fragment of him is in the Dreadnought. It applies to the Arbiters for their neverending role in Covenant society And it applies to the grander idea of the Cain and Abel Covie Humanity storyline. But THE ONE THING they all share is the main idea as to why we thought it was MB to begin with: Every single one of these parties are ATTONING for the sins they committed. Amongst themselves, each other, and the galaxy. No matter who the party is, Destoyers Invocation is at the day all about Attonement.

[@hoomanperson236]

9:22, he travels to earth and the message just repeats, "Regret, regret, regret"

[@jamesgreen2058]

I think Marty just pulling your leg

[@samharrison6158]

Luc, one of the things supporting the Cain theory that wasn't mentioned is that Cain gave his seconds(not his best) to God while Abel gave the firstborn of his flock (his best). Then when God looked favorably on Abel, Cain became jealous, killing Abel. I wasn't sure if the part about Cain not giving his best is relevant, but it may help you down the line :)

[@bartman64]

I think the Destroyer (and Cain equivalent) is the Forerunner who fired the Halos, that Guilty Spark mistook Master Chief to be in Halo CE, and who would later be named as the Iso-Didact. He destroyed the entire galaxy, and was fated to wander it alone, his empty prison. But he knows it was for the greater good, and so he holds faith that light will prevail.

[@sa-amirel-hayeed699]

Yes, and presumably had to remain on Earth. If he was effectively the last forerunner supposed to be alive according to lore (before the forerunner trilogy was written and explicitly said that he wasn't the only one alive and left the galaxy with his family) then it makes sense that if he did have a ship he would have spent the rest of his life roaming the stars alone seeking atonement. S Tier interpretation. I think further proof is how it would mirror the current situation on Delta Halo, coming so close to destruction but the Chief saves the day.

[@dadchin9746]

if you want to attribute the cain interpretation to the current halo lore (just for fun), you could say that it's the forerunners who are speaking since they commited crimes against God (the precursors) and man (ancient humanity). They were not chosen to hold the mantle by the precursors, and so they killed them and also humanity out of jealousy. After being "cursed" by the Flood, they sought to repent by naming humanity reclaimers of the mantle. I think it lines up pretty well. Not sure if it could be one particular forerunner, or if it'd need to be more general, as you said with the covenant.

[@Nightshade074]

Holy crap I’m not the only one who thought of this, I went on a long tangent about the similarities with the Didact too. Wasn’t referenced in anything as of the time but guarantee was on the Bungee table.

[@reeceemms1643]

I didn't think the Prophets could live four 3000 years when it comes to the theory of it being a prophet.

[@nickandrino8386]

Maybe it’s in context of the entire covenant religion or the San Shyumm species and their worship of the forerunner tech

[@Xeno-The-Wanderer]

@@nickandrino8386reminds me of that prophet in the halo 2 terminals who reviewed the history of the covenant and came to the conclusion that their demise as a unified faction was soon. Probably based on the prophet in halo evolutions now that I think about it

[@KrutonSalad16]

The biblical stuff needs to continue in Halo. I know people look down on it but there’s so much more meaning in the originals because of that. Mix that with the advanced and brutal military science, it will always be amazing. Hopefully Halo Studios knows this. Great video Luc

[@HiddenXperia]

Thanks chief! And yeah, I entirely agree. Halo lore feels very 2 dimensional when it isn't tied into elements of Biblical 'lore' so to speak

[@aetherial87]

Actually the firing of the Halos being set at ~100k years ago in the setting was already established before Microsoft bought Bungie. It's mentioned in one of the ancient pre-Xbox trailers.

[@Insanity_Crow]

Devils advocate: Marty just thought it was a cool poem and snuck it in there for artistic reasons. Music uses poetry all the time, just look at the Moody Blues. If anyone else even knew it was in there they just thought it would be funny to have the fans go sherlock holmes on it.

[@AtlyxMusic]

This is correct. It was Michael Salvatori who wrote the poem, that's his voice that he heavily processed, etc. The message doesn't mean anything, I talked to both Mike and Marty about it. Marty's just egging you guys on for fun to get you to discover some of the inspirations behind some of these things.

[@SURGEONAA2]

@@AtlyxMusicsource: trust me bro

[@TarceGaming]

Another biblical reference from the monologue is the line “evil over the light, but the light cannot be extinguished” is a reference to John 1:5, talking about how Jesus, the Messiah, is the light of the world that evil cannot extinguish. Kinda goes along with bungies other biblical references to Mister chief being a messianic type of character

[@TarceGaming]

Which I guess in turn could be alluding to the arbiters being tasked with stamping out “heretics” who would reveal the truth about the great journey but in the end the truth is revealed and they are cursed with being the ones who actively opposed it

[@banaminatigaming]

I always thought it was all of the dead arbiters. It was hinted at so much.

[@jordanteichman2397]

The thing that always confuses me about something in Halo mentioning "3000 years" is the length of a year. Has this been explained before? Would they use Earth years? Is that just used as an easy way for us in the 4th wall to understand everything, but they actually used some other time length "in real life"?

[@aetherial87]

Anytime years are mentioned in lore it's Earth-years purely for the sake of convenience. I don't think the word "years" is used in-game except by humans either, at least in Bungie games. Obviously the Covenant and the Forerunner Ecumene would've used different equivalents.

[@BioTroy]

I personally love the Arbiter theory the most but the Cain and Abel one is equally as chilling.

[@opticdarkrider9089]

I just assumed it had always been the gravemind, 3k years referring to the foreuner war, reborn referring to them mutating into the flood as well as being the technical prison and such, and the mantel test being the redemption part.

[@outrageous-alex]

I think it's the Gravemind (or a gravemind) If you are the culmination of a bunch of races and personalities, this would fit.

[@iissacc]

because the dialogue is backwards maybe they walked the earth for 0003

[@easygoinowen4304]

Heres my theory... it's marty.. It's marty after some dark narcotics. Woke up the next morning with a fully recorded mind warping audio and thought, "yeah that sounds good, wonder how I did that?"

[@heliumqueen2401]

It makes sense that it's not medicant bias because the voice refers to the fureruners as gods and clearly 343 was annoyed by this.

[@GeneralTaco155555a]

I feel like it almost definitely has to be a monitor because it's someone that reveres Forerunners and seems to be contemporary with them, but isn't one (committing a crime against God implies your God actually exists/was alive when you did it). Guilty Spark is an obvious answer, but Penitant Tangent is also possible. It was written by 343, but Terminals in Halo: CE Anniversary state that Guilty Spark had not had communication with other monitors for 3,000 years, and seems to actually feel guilty/despair over wiping out all life, including his masters. He lived alone with sentinels and flood forms in captivity for thousands of years with no hope that his isolation would ever be broken. Living as an immortal machine is eternal punishment for his sins of helping extinguish all other sentient beings, and loses himself over the eons.

[@heliumqueen2401]

@GeneralTaco155555a No offense but what you just said doesn't make any sense.

[@lanterneembers967]

Considering how Bungie wanted to tie Halo to Marathon. I'm surprised you didn't suggest either the Protagonist of Marathon Infinity, Durandal or Tycho.

[@ashman275]

Marty was being sarcastic. It was definitely Mendicant Bias 😂

[@jaredbryant8297]

Are you daft?

[@Alex06CoSonic]

Me at 4:26. "Huh...Sounds like Cain from the Bible. Did no one think of that?" Me at 16:37 "Goshdangit *explodes in laughter*" I have to admit, being a Command & Conquer fan, the first thing I thought of was Kane/Cain. I genuinely found it funny that someone else pointed it out, too.

[@dragonskull473slayer9]

For how long this halo drought has been youve been there filling the void with your lore videos i thank you for that man

[@CaveDisasters]

22:04 I think it is the arbiter who is cain speaking because he was a great general, slayer of many men, in the story of Halo, before he became the arbiter

[@brandonmcgregor9912]

When i saw Marty's comment my assumption was that it had to be a reference or portrayal of a Biblical character. Surprised on just now content creators started exploring the idea.

[@cailemkostiuk377]

Marty tomorrow: “Jk, I’m trolling. Its Mendican Bias”

[@SpartanJess]

What if it's just the Arbiter. Think about it, it's literally around the time when you first play as him and also this is during the time when he's going through his most "regrettable" moment in the game, being branded as the one who allowed the Halo to be destroyed. Also, it would make sense, based off of his relationship with humanity compared to what he did to them in the past leading up to now. This would make sense from Marty's point of view, if I was to guess.

[@TheSpecktre]

With Marty's comment, it makes me think the monologue fills a similar roll as the "I have been Beowulf etc" speech from Marathon.

[@Bigplumbus]

Going about my day then randomly remembering that they changed the forerunners from humans and it annoys me

[@BoogerKing1776]

God I love Halo. There is something about hearing the lore and the music. Maybe it's just because I grew up with it, but the mysterious feeling the old games had is sorely missed.😢 Everytime I see one of these videos from you it takes me back to my teens and miss the magic of the *real* halo games and having friends to play them with.

[@taylorbarker616]

I was so excited to see both of your opinions on this; I’m super stoked you teamed up for it!

[@TheHalfLeft]

The intro reminded me, why didn’t cortana blow up high charity/in amber clad when it was clear high charity had been over taken? Looking forward to the video boss

[@darkspark5854]

I’m pretty sure the Gravemind trapped her before she could try

[@TheHalfLeft]

I mean come to think of it, I guess she had enough faith in chiefs promise?

[@paleosam4738]

Well by the point that delta halos firing sequence was stopped the flood had already taken over so much of high charity and the grave mind had trapped Cortana in high charities system so she couldn’t remotely detonate in amber clad.

[@monmky]

The Gravemind affects AI too, she was trapped before she could do anything else like the other fella darkspark said

[@TheHalfLeft]

@@paleosam4738 cortana is smart though, could she not see that it was coming? Surely she’d figure the gravemind is such a massive threat, especially with space travel, thad she’d detonate once master chief was clear.

[@cpl.l.church2552]

It really shows that Old Bungie and Marty had a Plan for the series that was greater than we all thought I feel as if most of our unconfirmed theory's we have are more expansive compared to what we know. I have a feeling this year shall be the Age of Revelation For us in Halo Theory's and Lore.

[@brucemohamed5316]

I hope its not only for theory and an actual game

[@BaldingClamydia]

We still come from Africa, but the first civilizations were in the Turkey area. There were like 2-3 waves of people that came from Africa and settled elsewhere, even going back into Africa

[@fluffiestmallard6484]

The humans being forerunners and some other race being seperate is so super possible in halos story. Like them actually being at war. And them having the different ways to fight the flood. And humanity deciding to not reseed them giving them a reason to hate you when they do come back in halo 4.

[@TripleS-Reviews]

Could've been a Covenant AI

[@simonjiha3434]

Covenant AI is extremely limited and quite infantile compared to human AI

[@jimmmmus]

I was thinking just this. It sounds a lot like the single known Covenant AI in the Halo CEA terminals

[@THEDuncanDonuts1]

Welp, guess I gotta extend my on the clock bathroom break to watch this now

[@ibshimo2]

Great analysis, Luc, and great that you paired with Installation00! The voice definitely seems Covenant, but also the whole concept of it reflecting (or being) Cain is compelling. I think we're meant to take the 3000 years literally, as you say Halo tends not to be metaphysical. Which, to me, means that it's an AI. There is a line about an unusually formidable presence in Halo 2, which we assumed was Mendicant Bias. But if Mendicant Bias cannot be the Destroyer's Invocation voice (because he didn't exist in the Burgie-verse at the time), then the unusually formidable presence (UFP) can't be MB, either, right? In that Bungie-verse the keyship would have been human, meaning that the UFP was also probably meant to be human in origin. So when the keyship landed, it would have known for about 3000 years the truth about the Covenant beliefs. Perhaps it suppressed the truth for 3000 years, say for its own survival, or it was forced to. Then in the real world that human/covenant AI (maybe called Cain ha) was retconned into MB. Marty's quote 'the key is the creators' might be referring to originally intended origin of the AI, human. Or he could be referring to Bungie as the creators leaving an open space for us to speculate ha!

[@Dude00002]

This is f’ing insane. You mean to tell me we were wrong for 20 years?!

[@T____W____7777]

Two things stand out to me. I think the Arbiter is the Cain of the story, and thus Abel is the Heretic Leader Refumee. The Forerunners and their sentinels and monitors favored the heretics and supported what they did, meanwhile Vadam’s action were seen unfavorably by Guilty Spark in Halo 1z The Arbiter then killed Refumee. Just like in the story. They also both bring Elites help us see them both as brothers. Although at this point the Arbiter is already marked and casts aside, this does also happen to Cain in the Bible. The other thing is that some of the Old Testament stories have god casting against using technology for their own gain. God looks down on Cain’s sacrifice because instead of using what God had provided as intended, Cain tried to control what they had interested from God, and use it in a way that favored only themselves. Similar to what Vadam did with the Halo. Instead of using it as intended they wanted to control its power and use it in ways that benefited them that go against its original intended purpose. I haven’t watched the other video yet, but before I did I wanted to get those thoughts down.

[@Unity7489]

I think that the memories of the Forerunners try to speak through the presence of the flood, seeking ways to redeem themselves even after death. Let remember that the flood has no end, and that the Forerunners themselves have committed various crimes. The story of Cain fits well in this case too.

[@SplitScreamOFFICIAL]

This lore makes sense when you realize that the only species in the game using spoken English backwards; the little Wort Wort Wort ended up being the inspiration. Sangheili game Dev lore ended up being far more important now with that context

[@InkyGhoul]

I've not watched this yet but dollars to donuts this is just gonna be them retconning everything again.

[@HiddenXperia]

keep watching sir 👁👁

[@djzapper128]

I’ve always believed that it was the biblical Cain that was speaking, as there’s some that believe he’s still walking earth to this day for committing the first murder.

[@ericgarcia4689]

This is a bit off the rails but thinking about the lost in time bit....what if it's Durendal? I mean did he not exist in multiple times? His character fits quite perfectly with this dialogue and it is in the Bungieverse.

[@BCosby423]

Humans are still believed to have come from africa, although the populations were so interconnected that it's really not possible to pin down one region in particular where we evolved. We kind of just all evolved together in africa. But, the cain and able theory definitely still fits, given that the ark portal is in eastern africa.

[@yugiohBXR]

I need to go back to the Bungie games. The music and gameplay have never been replicated. Really up there with stuff like LoTR and FF7 for me.

[@jonathanzodhiates8840]

What bout the forerunner instead because humanity was supposed to have the mantle of responsibility and the forerunner made war with humanity. I dont think it would have been the covenant because they were around for 3000 years.

[@Sanjay-kx1pm]

I know Halo’s kinda been at a low rn but don’t stop!! Love your videos, man!!!

[@Richard_Frost]

My theory is, it came from the precursor's consciousness trapped in the flood gravemind on delta halo that later came to high charity.

[@JohnSheppard105]

For some reason I can't see notifications so I won't be able to respond if you do but.... Your channel has made me enjoy Halo FAR more than playing the games or reading the books literally everyday as a kid over and over. I'd walk miles to and from school(even riding my bike once) reading the original 3 halo books(fall of reach,the flood and first strike) and playing halo 1 everyday as a kid and into my teens

[@gortonsfishermen1176]

I always just thought it was Sangheili Monks that maintained and worshiped the arbiters chanting offscreen. At one point I thought it was also the honor guard chanting that in reverence to The Arbiters as a Holy Place. It was such an incredible touch. I think it’s a Forerunner spirit (possibly a construct like Catalog or a Fragment of Faber) lives in High Charity since it’s connected to the Dreadnaught

[@Firestorm2056]

it also could be 6000 years prior and the entity is just an echo stored in the mausoleum of the arbiter

[@dudewithamustache5027]

I thought the first theory had something going for it until you got to the last; like wow, that does make too much sense. Great Video!

[@Soloong_Gaybowzer]

The sad part is that before the Human-Forerunner War, the San'Shyuum and Humanity used to be best friends. Probably even smoked weed together. They back stabbed us then tried to exterminate us later. Truly Cain & Abel.

[@tobiasneethling8871]

just gave the original soundtrack audio another listen and i believe it says "I waited/wanted to see death and destruction" instead of "i have lived". it also seems to say "I live in the prison of my own demise". it may be compression but i think the lines we have now are incorrect as Marty says but the speech is still about Mendicant Bias

[@AtlyxMusic]

The speech isn't about Mendicant Bias. You're right that the text we have now isn't correct though.

[@cipher48]

I'm sorry, but now I feel that crazy little dude yelling about the end of the world but then it comes true. How does the voice work as being medicant bias? All the times the voice plays in the tracks it's related to the Flood. This is further confirmed in H3 with the Gravemind's voice in Chief's head, as well as Dread Intrusion playing during, obviously, a Flood level. Also, the only character who actually uses poetry when speaking IS the Gravemind. Cortana uses poetry too, but only after being tormented by the Gravemind in High Charity.

[@AndyLotton]

Love the way y'all shared ownership of the content. Hopefully this inspires more YT'ers to collaborate!

[@alexishayes9935]

Before you even mentioned it, I was thinking it had to do with the Arbiters.

[@michaelbarnard8529]

Monologue. Dialogue is a conversation between two parties.

[@Nathan-vt1jz]

I think the song being about the arbiter makes the most sense given the immediate context in game (we’ll see how the video ends). That was what I thought it was about when I first heard about the puzzle.

[@RandyPeterson17]

isnt installation00 the guy that was yelling at people who didnt like the halo tv show?

[@EpicSOB_]

The Caie theory is especially interesting because it works with both pre and post Bungie lore. The God's favorite humanity twice the eldest child of the gods murdered humanity twice.

[@stan8230]

Do you think truth listens to the song( Heavy As The Crown) when he's alone.

[@StephenAMCook]

I wonder if the Arbiter (either the person or title) is supposed to be a parallel to Cain. Also there are others who believe the Great Journey to be false among the Covenant. There is the ‘Heretic’ Elite and his Elite and Grunt followers also. Guilty Spark also knew the Great Journey to be a lie but I don’t think he really fits the dialogue.

[@Agent_Bondi]

This is absolute cinema.

[@Aijia_Vance]

Always love your lore videos, and i love the team-up!

[@Oasisman1]

I can 98% can hear mendicant bias talking 2:03

[@AhegaoComics]

Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if the first VO was an Elite. There has been stories of ship or fleet masters visiting and wandering around planets they've glassed in contemplation.

[@deaththekid1113]

Wasn’t Cain cursed to never die? He was supposed to wander the earth for all time, or something

[@RNG-esus]

I think I like the idea that it is the fallen spirits of the arbiters the most

[@Pfhunkie]

Wait until you figure out it's actually Durandal

[@HiddenXperia]

we actually investigated that lead but couldn't quite make it make sense. I wish though!

[@unbreakablelag]

That art of Truth goes unbelievably hard

[@opinetree]

Came for the mystery. Stayed for the ICONIC

[@ne3333t]

Funny you actually got around to mentioning Cain. The first time I read the reversed dialogue, my mind jumped to him. The "wandering the earth" and seeking redemption really sold that for me. The voice being mendicant always felt disappointing, as someone who never read the books. The voice is the most memorable part of Destroyer's invocation, always seeming so spiritual or supernatural. It being some ai from the books was just, meh. Can I just say, this really brought back some memories. Halo 2's art and music is just so top tier. Would love to visit high charity in real life.

[@onslaught147]

I like it better if it was actually Mendicant Bias talking. But I'm a sucker for the last one of an ancient species living long enough to see their previous empire be forgotten. Which may sound weirdly specific, but it actually comes up a lot.

[@CaveDisasters]

I kinda thought that the background music in these strange hidden voice lines sounded like weight of failure, which was related to the Arbiter.