IT WAS UNHINGED! Unbelievable Outcome During Finkelstein Debate On Lex Fridman

[@LastNightDestiny]

Finkelstein's Response Leaves Destiny SPEECHLESS ►kzbin.info/www/bejne/fWm9pZ94rp5kotksi=aj-5OwIs8pPyLOLQ

[@CrincReeves]

Sounds like Destiny and Benny lost the debate....from Destiny's review it sounds like Finkelstein beat Benny boy with his own past quotes. This is the 2nd time I'm aware of that Finkelstein debated Benny Morrison and Finkelstein won that debate handily. It was so bad Benny Morrison kept filibustering.

[@ekysnoir]

castin spell strategy 💯 lol

[@avonmaster6628]

@@CrincReeves no, it sounds like norm is quoting benny out of context and when benny explains the context behind the quote he just restates the out of context quote again.

[@Justice-e5k]

six hours!!!! My condolences Destiny for wasting precious time from your life...

[@gunsngunpla]

@@CrincReeves If your debate strategy relies on quoting someone out of context to twist what they were saying, you're a loser in every sense of the word.

[@Imperial_Squid]

You hate 6 hour debates that go nowhere because you value discourse. I love 6 hour debates that go nowhere because i live for dumb drama. We are not the same.

[@benblarney]

😂😂😂 Lex should post the entire 6 hours for our entertainment.

[@faikerdogan2802]

RIGHT IN MY FEEED 😂😂

[@mroctober3583]

​@@benblarney I hope so, I feel like Lex is chopping it up as we speak

[@puffdaddy69]

I am a Martian 👽

[@Runescape12345]

basically me

[@dfmrcv862]

Sounds like the debate will be either a nightmare to sit through or the most entertaining thing ever and no in-between.

[@2FadeMusic]

why not both? my nightmares tend to be entertaining XD

[@aimless_aimer7936]

Well it sounds like the first half will be one thing and the second half will be the other thing, so literally in between

[@nickwilliams2415]

The first part sounds like a nightmare... the second part when Lex takes off Destinys muzzle? That's gotta be gold

[@dfmrcv862]

@@aimless_aimer7936 fact check true.

[@ghostbirdlary]

first part nightmare 100% second part could go either way it sounds like but im still betting on nightmare

[@kristiansandsmark2048]

The best part of the debate was when Finkelstein kissed Destiny on the cheek, telling him he is a such a attentive lover.

[@erenkruger849]

bro that part warmed my heart fr

[@MangaBear]

Perfect likes for a well funny comment 🤣

[@jogiff]

I liked it when Norm got mad at him and sucked the kiss off his cheek.

[@debrachambers1304]

The best part was when Finkelstein grabbed Destiny's head on both sides, pulled him in close, and gave him a big, sloppy kiss on the mouth, then said "I know it was you, Steven. You broke my heart. You broke my heart!"

[@wavveytae4181]

Wait when was this

[@fab006]

Sounds like the debate went exactly as everyone thought it would.

[@danwhythough]

I’m shocked, I really thought this time would be the time they solve the conflict. Maybe next time.

[@abdc2990]

I, for one, thought it would be productive.

[@faikerdogan2802]

GOD HOW MUCH I HOPED otherwise 😭😭

[@C3DMRFJ]

We are literally doing the far cry 3 insanity speech

[@BabaYaggah]

Can't believe I watched hours of Destiny conceding some of his ideas, just for him to throw it all out the window and use them in a debate. We already came to the conclusion that Israels peace deals were never made in good faith (except for Taba, which was most reasonable) and that the Palestinian leadership always reacted unwisely. Destiny said himself, had the Palestinian side taken the probable bluffs for peace offered we would probably have had a clearer view of the Israel's intentions. Oslo was never a peace deal engineered for success. I can bring myself to quote all the conclusions we came to. However, after over 10hrs of Destiny, i have come to believe he is just grifting this war.

[@PitchBlackYeti]

So basically after two hours Lex and Benny decided to RELEASE THE STEVEN

[@ericwatters4542]

NEBRASKA STEVE UNLEASHED

[@MonkeyDIvan]

NEBRASKA STEVEN! PUT SOME RESPECT ON HIS NAME!

[@pablo-z-dragon]

cant wait for the unhingedness😭😭😭

[@MenchieExtrakt]

they summoned nebraska steve

[@MikeTsBees]

I was thinking the same thing

[@bustedloads9045]

If destiny is a “motormouth”, then Finkelstein is a stroke victim.

[@reikowallach2465]

Honestly that's exactly what I feared. I would have loved to see Destiny vs. Finkelstein from 20 years ago, but this is an old man who had even retired from debating this conflict prior to October 7th. I don't agree with Norm but he was sharp and on fire back in the day. I'm sure this debate will be great entertainment, but that's about it. I'd much rather see Destiny vs. Rashid Khalidi. Morris has history with him too so that would probably have been way more informative.

[@realmcafee]

now i want the jesse lee peterson vs finkelstein debate !

[@pro_social_b]

historical record is the historical record... "Destiny" is just a guy on YT that talks fast and acts self righteous

[@jamesb6857]

“Bustedloads” has weighed in on a geopolitical racial dispute that involves the death of countless millions over a millennia

[@sam43532]

astute observation@@jamesb6857

[@JustScrapHD]

I cant wait to see the real finkelstein smirk

[@robertcampomizzi7988]

I'd buy a shirt with a pic of that with the caption "spoken like a true asshole" written underneath

[@varun009]

The "finkle-face" as another commenter very gayly put it.

[@saphricpcgaming5182]

🗿

[@johnniiee146]

You deal with his force maneuver by reaching out with your own hand and clasping his, interlocking fingers, in a symbol of solidarity. There would be peace in Gaza the next day.

[@whist1221]

😳

[@Daltoniss]

Honestly the 'Hand of God' is such an unprofessional, out-of-place, and blatantly snarky tactic that honestly holding hands might be the best way to showcase how fucking ridiculous it actually is LMAOO

[@ahah9482]

Getting the green light from Benny to go hard is abs hilarious

[@ade8890]

haha and not just benny, but lex too.

[@chuck9483]

Destiny tried, but it wasn't enough. Or even close

[@3U9ENE]

So is Destiny now convinced that the guy he was trading emails with was most likely Finkelstein himself?

[@faikerdogan2802]

😂😂

[@dankoKn]

😂

[@will-vi9pk]

F1nke1stein : Guys its the real me honest.

[@JustChayse]

I am unironically doing the finkle-face when I am being condescending to people now

[@TheFlamingCookie]

Do you even go outside though? lmao

[@Ass_of_Amalek]

please be aware that depending on the context, like many of his bangers, the finkel-face does also require the j°° card.

[@MelissaM83]

Lol and I bet you'll laugh too because they'll have no idea what this face is lol I can already see it 😂

[@csbrooks]

I will put finkel face next to my tucker face in my repertoire

[@craydehiyade3862]

No brother keep it ironic 😂

[@vrcngtrx3856]

Everyone is probably a motormouth compared to Finkelstein’s glacial pace.

[@douglas2437]

Finkelstein watching treebeard in LOTR - 'whoah, whoah, slow down busta rhymes'

[@douglashyslop2209]

@@douglas2437😂😂😂

[@warrioremperor6320]

@@douglas2437Finkelstein still talks faster than the average destiny fan thinks

[@funk0tron]

My favorite part is when Finkelstein kept putting the utmost importance on international law....until it came to the Houthis attacking merchant ships. Then international law suddenly didn't matter. This is where he proved himself to be a partisan activist.

[@seanbrennan1257]

“So Norm brings 3 books. They are all his own fucking books.” 😂😂😂

[@notimportant8806]

I don't see the issue with that? Referring to one's own body of work is common.

[@orphancrippler9526]

@@notimportant8806 The problem is his books are using quotes that are taken out of context from the original source. It's like using Harry Potter fan-fiction to inform readers of Harry Potter lore.

[@notimportant8806]

@@orphancrippler9526 that's a very big claim to make as he's written several books on the subject. He certainly doesn't hide behind these quotes nor use them to obfuscate. He clearly cites his sources to invite criticism, it's not as though he doesn't expect anyone to check the footnotes. So does he take quotes out of context, I don't think so. That would mean he is purposely acting in bad faith. He uses quotes from other sources to craft his own analysis and argument, one that he believes in firmly. When he quotes Benny morris, he isn't objecting to the historical accuracy of his work but rather challenges the overall narrative and the insights gleaned from that research. I don't think that's taking something out of context.

[@MuayTyson01]

@@notimportant8806All of that remains to be seen. If Destiny’s descriptions of his behaviors, such as 1. Frequently talking over Destiny, 2. Ignoring evidence brought up by Destiny in favor of smirking off into the distance condescendingly, or 3. Continuously moving beyond counterarguments and not fully addressing them before changing the subject, are indeed accurate descriptions of what happened, a VERY strong case could be made for him being bad faith. I think it’s quite likely he’s taken quotes and interpretations out of context, considering it’s not only Destiny that’s levied that accusation at him, but a handful of other political commentators and even various elite-level academics over the years. People with PhDs are not immune to intentionally acting in bad faith, especially ones with such controversial histories as Finkelstein’s who have been repeatedly scrutinized by various intellectual communities. The chances that Destiny is bad faith enough to literally fabricate all of that information to try and falsely play some moral high ground is near zero, realistically speaking. I would bet money that Finkelstein has misinterpreted many quotes of his most recent book covering the Israeli-Palestine conflict, or acted in manners that would indicate intentional bad faith during his debate with Destiny on the Lex Friedman podcast. Of course, neither of us has access to the debate yet, and I don’t own Finkelstein’s book currently, so this is opinion vs. opinion, but I’m confident enough in my opinion that I’d be willing to bet you $100 right now via Cash App or Zelle that Destiny’s descriptions (as outlined in this comment) are accurate ones, both in reference to the misinterpretation of multiple quotes and the bad faith behavior during the debate. If you’re that confident Finkelstein could never be that bad faith and Destiny is wrong, it should be the easiest $100 you’ve ever made.

[@orphancrippler9526]

@@notimportant8806 If he was going to use quotes in an argument he should use the original sources, not his own books where he's cut away context to support his narratives.

[@c.m.81]

This debate sounds hilarious. I might even turn this into a movie night.

[@lordn3m3sis]

Destiny : *asks a question* Finkelstein : 🗿

[@venomexe9738]

🗿

[@lordn3m3sis]

@@venomexe9738 🗿 🗿 🗿

[@nicktod6117]

HE IS MEWING 😶🧏

[@fridayfree8669]

Destiny sounds so mad, Finkelstein propably wiped the floor with him.😮

[@chuck9483]

​@@fridayfree8669just watched it. Pretty much what happened.

[@gonfreecss6002]

It sounds to me like Finkelstein came into his pants every time he finishes a quote and stares at the wall in pure bliss and ecstasy.

[@overtherenowaitthere]

the greatest fucking part was the materials he brought to the debate were his own fucking books that spend hundreds of pages cherry picking quotes from the guy he was debating. And instead of a primary source or a historical account he’s like well all the facts are in my books now, so 4 or 5 degrees removed from the source. Where 3 out of the 4 degrees are mine because I’m only biased for the facts. If I was biased for myself, what financial incentive is there for self citing quotes from other scholars in my scholarly work that also end up as published pop alternate history hamas fan fiction.

[@JiminyCrickets]

@@overtherenowaitthere "Blah blah blah. Just trust me bro." BORING! Can you post some examples or do you really think we are just going to take your fucking word for it? Do you need a fucking "How to partake in a discussion" pamphlet or some shit? Godamn, bro! You sound like someone whose biased. Weird, aint it?

[@MrX-vq8ge]

Nice way to prove you never read a single book by Finkelstein

[@gonfreecss6002]

@@MrX-vq8ge considering I value my sanity, yeah, I've never opened even one of his shitty propaganda piece.

[@jamesbrannon5099]

So you can you opine on them then? Even if you don't like his positions, he's contributed a lot to the discourse on Israel Palestine. ​@@gonfreecss6002

[@Prometheus4096]

WTF they did a six hour debate? Destiny on ADHD medicine with 3 60 year old academics? WTF Destiny is like a 250 APM SC2 player who streams 12 hours a day 7 days a week. Were Finkelstein and Morris still alive after hour 2?

[@connormullin4547]

It's like fight vs The End in MGS3. The trick to that debate is if you wait 12 hours they will die of old age and you win automatically.

[@franklingoodwin]

Worse still. Finkelstein and Morris are over 70

[@Sar-gd7yi]

Finkelstein was half dead when they started

[@tetros5265]

Thank god he was on his meds, imagine how unhinged he would be hour 5 of this slogfest.m unmedicated.

[@reactionaryjudaism]

I can't believe there is actual thing where people deny the iron dome. You can literally go outside during a rocket strike and see the rockets being taken out above you.

[@MrX-vq8ge]

1) you see the interceptors, even if they don’t hit anything 2) for a successful interception you need to take out the warhead of the rocket, otherwise all you achieve is that the rocket hits somewhere else You could just read Postol on the topic though, it’s pretty easy to understand

[@Vinzaf]

Honestly when you get ignored like that your only opportunity ought to be to address the audience directly with Finklestein's own arguments, and then rebut it for him.

[@hartyewh1]

I woke up my wife laughing at Destiny playing Finkey's satisfaction after reading quotes. She was annoyed until I showed her the bit and she burst out laughing and is still giggling trying to fall asleep 10min later😂

[@MelissaM83]

Same with my hubby, i had to show him what I was dying Laughing over 😂

[@Aliyaaaa]

Thats a lie people who watch destiny dont have wives

[@myheartspits]

@@Aliyaaaa Not true, they have divorced wives.

[@MrJaxon620]

Why tell a lie like this?

[@cksupreme]

​@@myheartspitsNot true, they have multiple wives and husbands.

[@indianspartan76]

15:52 - 16:00 "I'd appreciate you not repeatedly doing the Nazi salute in my face."

[@SaminHam]

😂

[@connie.22]

I would either laugh hysterically,or do it back.

[@diogenes.]

Does he say when will they upload it?

[@diogenes.]

When will he upload it

[@indianspartan76]

@@diogenes. Lex Friedman posted on destiny's sub reddit that it should be out by end of next week

[@drizzy0712]

6 hour debate sounds like peak autism

[@liorbloch8708]

When you over prepare for an exam lmao

[@Goodmorning592]

😂

[@Levaaant]

Bruh one time i over prepared 2 weeks for an exam that i did in 10 mins and got 100%

[@warrioremperor6320]

@@Levaaant you must be in highschool if 2 weeks is over preparation lil bro bozo

[@Cloudy_Jones]

The fact he disrespected you in that way even though Benny was backing you up every time just shows how full of himself he actually is, like it sounds like he went in to the debate already writing you off and anything you say.

[@mugiwara7347]

Destiny went with the same mindset so don't be a hypocrite.

[@jepper6140]

Destiny is a carpet cleaner. That is the only accolade he has to his name unless you consider being a twitch streamer an accomplishment.

[@tiggerbane4325]

@@jepper6140 he also has a few firsts and seconds playing in StarCraft 2 tournaments.

[@zaydevans2077]

I love how benny morris is who see as a reputable non bias source.

[@ponytoast1231]

@@jepper6140What is Finkelstein accolade exactly ?

[@scisher3294]

Your recap of the shenanigans is hilarious 😂

[@shareefkillings5343]

Alot of damage control and well poisoning

[@michael2713]

@@shareefkillings5343 unless he's not lying about what happened, and if he was it would reflect worse on destiny not better

[@chuck9483]

​@@shareefkillings5343lol literally EXACTLY that

[@chuck9483]

​@@michael2713looks like he lied based on the video

[@michael2713]

@@chuck9483 finkel having a real hard time engaging on any point though And the bit about him just quoting benny out of context from fink's own book, rambling without letting him explain the paragraph before and then just moving on (after benny responds) to another quote is true

[@voiceofreason2771]

I watched all 5 hours....i mostly hate watch destiny, but he has his moments, destiny did great fornhis part....Finkelstein constantly interrupted destiny, talked super slow and sucked up 70% of the debate time, leaving 10% for each of destiny and the other two...Fink is a complete asshole and failed miserably

[@RandemFellow]

​@@marcsman07 It's actually as bad as you think. And the moment Destiny starts ramping it up after the 2 hour mark, Finklestein becomes Lav and it's beautiful

[@marcsman07]

@@RandemFellow 😂 Maybe I'll wach it on a day where I'm exceptionally bored and need to listen to a dumpster-fire of a conversation.

[@lightingwolf1]

“People that support him (finklestein) will support him no matter what” literally Lycan

[@franklingoodwin]

Like you'll support Destiny no matter what...

[@deeky1239]

​@@franklingoodwin hamas lover^

[@lightingwolf1]

@@franklingoodwinyou don’t know me or what I’ve commented during stream or on any of these vod uploads if you truly think I’d support destiny on even 60% of issues. Nice self report though

[@pj2345-v4x]

@@lightingwolf1 Not blindly following him is based but thinking about half of his takes are wrong is wild and actually makes you seem dumb. Right on partner.

[@lightingwolf1]

@@pj2345-v4xcool story

[@varun009]

Finklestein: quotes, quote he quoted. Finklestein: starts mewing.

[@c.m.81]

👨‍🦳✋️ Sir.

[@Chase.The.Pain.]

🎶bye bye 🎶

[@Lenniusce]

Been waiting to return to this

[@MandosCulture]

7 min in and I'm damn near crying at how funny his description of the events were 😂😂😂

[@YouJGSousa]

The bliss stare was gold 😂

[@chuck9483]

Lol wait till you see the actual debate and find out how bad he lied

[@MandosCulture]

@@chuck9483 Norman is KOing him every time he talks and when he finally calls him a fantastical moron it is so funny and almost shocking lol

[@chuck9483]

@@MandosCulture lol I know, so good. He calls him an idiot every chance he gets😭

[@MandosCulture]

@chuck9483 after he gets annoyed there is no going back lol. I feel kinda bad for him💀

[@kopekopekop]

Honestly, 2 hours of respectful discourse into a couple more hours of mud slinging seems like the ideal outcome

[@TecniclyAwsm]

Now Steve knows what Israel feels like trying to negotiate, lol

[@rafay3760]

This is most likely the quote Finkelstein was referring to. "My feeling is that the transfer thinking and near-consensus that emerged in the 1930s and early 1940s was not tantamount to pre- planning and did not issue in the production of a policy or master-plan of expulsion; the Yishuv and its military forces did not enter the 1948 War, which was initiated by the Arab side, with a policy or plan for expulsion.But transfer was inevitable and inbuilt into Zionism - because it sought to transform a land which was ‘Arab’ into a ‘Jewish’ state and a Jewish state could not have arisen without a major displacement of Arab population; and because this aim automatically produced resistance among the Arabs which, in turn, persuaded the Yishuv’s leaders that a hostile Arab majority or large minority could not remain in place if a Jewish state was to arise or safely endure. By 1948, transfer was in the air. The transfer thinking that preceded the war contributed to the denouementby conditioning the Jewish population, political parties, military organisations and military and civilian leaderships for what transpired. Thinking about the possibilities of transfer in the 1930s and 1940s had prepared and conditioned hearts and minds for its implementation in the course of 1948 so that, as it occurred, few voiced protest or doubt; it was accepted as inevitable and natural by the bulk of the Jewish population." Heres' a pdf of Benny Morris book that Finkelstein was quoting larryjhs.fastmail.fm.user.fm/The%20Birth%20of%20the%20Palestinian%20Refugee%20Problem%20Revisited.pdf You can find it in the link on page 60.

[@omegalink314]

thank you champ

[@CrestOfArtorias]

Source squad!

[@CatotheE]

@JohnDoe-jw5lf Are you going to make the empty land argument that South African whites did? There was already a relatively large Arab population there when the Jews went to found their ethnostate.

[@John-bravooo]

There was barely 300,000 Arabs in 1800. The Zionist settlement accelerated population growth and even today Palestinians freeload off the prosperity of Jews. Nobody cared about this dirt until the Jews showed up. Now it's the most obsessed and litigated nation ever. Communists can kill millions and Finkie won't have a problem.

[@Levaaant]

Doing god's work

[@Prometheus4096]

WTF Finkelstein quotes Benny Morris our of his own books in a debate against Benny Morris?

[@Lewa500]

Yes, he is that arrogant.

[@trinchuzosparty]

His bias makes it possible.

[@Sacredsnow2]

Btw, buy my book for all the based takes and quotes 💀

[@bloom4807]

He did this in a debate from 10 years ago, the exact same quote about ‘transfer of Arabs’. Lol. The video is on KZbin.

[@overtherenowaitthere]

No it’s worse, he quotes paragraphs of his own book that the citation for that quote is another book he wrote where the quote is sourced from Benny Morris work. so it’s like he’s taking snippets that fits his radical views on Israelis/Zionists. Twisting and warping it into disgusting things that with context are way less clear and fall more in line with rhetoric that doesn’t justify genocide. And then sourcing that incredible info and pretty clear calls to action with no follow up or evidence to his own book published years before. Where it’s the same quote, but instead of using evidence or context he loads all this emotional and provocative writing to charge every mundane statement with the same conviction as finding the killers dna in a murder scene.

[@1czechit1]

Norman is a Maoist communist. His mother is a Stalinist Communist. Her opposition to Israel is based on Israel not joining the Soviet block. That is it. In the 1970's the collapse of Maoism broke him. Opposition to Zionism/Israel is a coping mechanism for a collapse of his ideology. Morris is an ideologue but not as bad as Avi Shlaim or Elan Pappe. In other words you can have a conversation with him and focus on the documents (of which he is overly reliant on.) I would like to hear Morris and Milstein or Tauber debate. But then I speak Hebrew unlike Norman.

[@evanb4189]

Tankies are like those Confederate Lost Causers. Just pathetically refusing to admit they were in the wrong decades later.

[@emilianosintarias7337]

Finkelstein is not maoist, hasn't been for almost 50 years. as can be seen by watching him tear apart maoists and maoism. The Soviets and Stalin supported Israel and helped draw up the partition plan that the arabs initially rejected. Finkelstein is a long time student of Chomsky and his ideology, which is opposed to stalinism and maoism, and has been growing for decades - not collapsing. Maybe you should stick to speaking hebrew, if you say more accurate things in that language.

[@1czechit1]

So you agree with me, he is (was) a Maoist, who has become disgruntled and to cope he "opposes" ideology becoming "anti-ideology" (which is nonsense.) Soviets and Stalin supported anything they thought would destabilize the west, that is why they supported Israel in 1948 (only and only for a short while allowing Czechoslovakia to sell arms to Israel for a short while.) then they supported the Arab nationalist Nasser who the US was also courting. Chomsky has no ideology. He has opinions about everything regularly contradicting himself (with only the exception that it is all anti-west.) in other words two communists that pretend they are not communists, so they can deflect their failures on Israel that is not perfect while supporting the genocidal Arabs. @@emilianosintarias7337

[@justanumber9053]

I watched the whole debate and thought it showed how shallow Finkelstein was. He wouldn’t answer questions, just tried to insult Destiny. I think he was jealous of how quickly Destiny picked up on the knowledge that’s taken Twinklestein his whole life to learn.

[@perfectiondreamusa]

50:00 “we can’t use polling data of palestinians to determine palestinian sentiments but we can use clip chimped quotes of israeli leaders to accuse them of genocide” wait until this guy finds out what islamic and palestinian leaders say about jews and israel 😂

[@yaeli_i_guess]

Yep lmao

[@angelmartin7310]

Not to mention the entire history of their behavior being in line with the polling data.

[@yoending1800]

Unhinged

[@gotworc]

How did i know it would just be finklestein reading quotes. I can't wait to watch this

[@plarysa]

So lex says the debate will be out in a couple of weeks, by that time will anyone give a fuck about it at all? Why would it take weeks to get a fucking debate out??

[@tharic4981]

he probably needs to cut out a second between every word norm says so you can actually watch it without going crazy.

[@djon3043]

I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that lex with his massive rise to popularity, probably knows more about when to release content then you… he’s building hype. Leaving time for people to comment on other videos about it and build up anticipation. Your comment is the answer to your question, it takes weeks because that’s what it takes to get people talking about it in advance. Free advertising.

[@termitreter6545]

Because he needs to cut together a 6 hour discussion probably

[@endaohalloran6649]

Considering Israel/Gaza is still everywhere in the news after nearly 5 months. I don't think a couple of weeks wait will be detrimental

[@faikerdogan2802]

IKKRRR

[@drearmouse9510]

I wonder how long the debate wlda been if someone sped up Finkle's bits enough to make him not sound like he just got out of a coma.

[@worsethanjoerogan8061]

Destiny should have hooked him up with Vyvanse. Otherwise. Finkelstein. Will...Say...One...Word..Per...Minute

[@bfarzady5212]

That is such an insulting way to talk about a 70 year old Princeton Phd who happens to speak at a slower pace than you are used to. And also so oblivious of the idea that you may just be in a different generation. If this was not 'the internet' I hope no one would be so awful.

[@NoorsUnpopularOpinions]

So content is nothing now? Who cares how fast or slow you talk. What matters is what one is saying besides the professor is quite old.

[@trinchuzosparty]

Maybe Lex is speeding up his parts and that's why it will take 2 weeks.

[@drearmouse9510]

@@NoorsUnpopularOpinions You.. can... be... old... .... Without... wasting... ... ..... Peoples'... time.. .... ..... ... Make sense?

[@connormcmillen1528]

Don't y'all actually want to wait and see the debate before you make judgements? So many in the comments are already passing judgement on a debate they haven't seen.

[@riri_renee5550]

Right, I’ll hold judgement until I see for myself.

[@alexaiz7521]

well Destiny was working his mind in an orderly and proper way so far in all the streems i saw him so i can extend a measure of trust to someone who hasn't lied so far and analytically approaches issues to his best ability

[@deeky1239]

I already know Finkle is a dinsingenuous quack, everything is matching so far.

[@MrGgabber]

They probably just know what to expect. If you have seen one Finkelstein debate, you've seen them all. Nothing but appeal to authority and emotion fallacies

[@connormcmillen1528]

Having read some of Finkelstein's work, I am of the opinion he is a first rate scholar. Many, many other academics believe so as well. I've seen Finkelstein debate. I think you are conflating appeal to authority with citation of evidence. I guess it is hard to say which is which. I definitely see it more as citation of evidence than an appeal to authority.@@MrGgabber

[@antidote7]

If you look more carefully at the facts and FULL historical record, you'll find Finklstein is correct.

[@XxSeedOfEvilxX]

When you put Destiny on 2x speed and you feel like you're listening to Busta Rhymes.

[@pragmatic-no-nonsense9363]

1:01:08 Yes that’s exactly what needs to be done. You absolutely need to ban genocidal or ethnic cleansing statements …

[@YuvalDorfman]

Talking about the middle east conflict for 6 hours just to come out with no progress is essentially the conflict itself

[@ProperlyGaming]

The cocky and smug finklestein smirk after reading a quote may be one of the most hysterical things ive ever seen destiny do. Got a good laugh out of it.

[@mofishin2648]

That Noah guy makes a whole deceptive video about Destiny but refuses to debate him, what a slimy move!

[@worsethanjoerogan8061]

That guy needs to shave his creepy porn star mustache 😂

[@John-bravooo]

Leftists are liars

[@deeky1239]

Embrassing the fact that youtube video essayists know absolutely nothing about the subjects they make videos of.

[@John-bravooo]

@@deeky1239 leftists have learned well from their islamist allies who themselves learned from the Nazis. What other society made opposing and scapegoating Jews the most important element of their platform?

[@christineg3905]

The ICJ case? Destiny, I saw most of the quotes live coming from their mouths. How can you say most of them were misquoted?

[@MrBjoern91]

Maybe watch the video before you speak.

[@John-sl4ov]

lmao I'm fkin dying, the quote-face is immaculate.

[@Car-qu2bc]

Incoming cope from hamas shills.

[@BajGer12331]

Hamas Piker

[@SDREHXC]

I’m curious how people will cope with their number one proselytizer misquoting and misrepresenting the words of a guy who is literally sitting right in front of him correcting him.

[@ashgaarxd]

@@SDREHXC They will blame capitalism

[@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher]

​@@SDREHXCthat's what they're relying on him for

[@MisterS.]

But Finky read booky

[@naor85]

In reference to the other commentator asking about extreme quotes from Ukrainian officials, the official Ukrainian PARLIAMENT quoted Stepan Bandera (a Nazi Collaborator) who stated “the supreme victory of Ukrainian nationalism will be when the Russian Empire ceases to exist”.

[@naor85]

Also in another case of “it’s only genocide when Israel says it”: US Presidents Trump and Truman both suggested nuclear bombs was an option to defeat ISIS and North Korea respectively. In addition to nuclear advocacy by General MacArthur who was at the time leading the military coalition of the UN (well after the genocide convention was written).

[@overtherenowaitthere]

That was the statement quoted in parliament? Or it was a different statement made by Stepan Bandera and the quote you made was not the one a Ukrainian official quoted.

[@overtherenowaitthere]

@@naor85 using nuclear weapons doesn’t equal genocide. Japan wasn’t genocided after Hiroshima. if we want to put so much emotional baggage onto these terms describing atrocities using the same one for everything makes it fucking useless when the problems need to be approached from a reality we all exist in together.

[@naor85]

@@overtherenowaitthere well I agree of course. My point was that South Africa used an Israeli politician saying nukes were an option in Gaza as support for genocide in their ICJ case when it’s clearly not

[@naor85]

@@overtherenowaitthere from what I recall they tweeted a photo of his with several quotes highlighted, including the above. Was deleted later

[@bigman50505050505050]

Finkelstein’s academic works are so meaningless compared to Destiny’s ability to open 97 Firefox tabs. Destiny’s ability to quickly access and read Wikipedia articles is academically breathtaking.

[@urbanangst7630]

Finkelstein is nuts. Even Douglas Murray refuses to debate him.

[@PunkiBrooster]

Not like it would be much of a substantive debate, anyway. Norman would be like “Palestinians are human beings,” and Doug would go “no, Muslims = bad,” and norm would go “not all Palestinians are even Muslim,” and Doug would go “Muslim… BAAAAAD,” and Norman would call him a brown noser, and Douglas would act posh as hell, and we’d all want to kill ourselves

[@dianax6680]

Douglas Murray would never debate anyone with knowledge😂 he’d get wrecked

[@warnaoh]

Not a Finkelstein fan at all. He's just an avg guy who happens to be jew which helps when you want to talk about Israel. But Douglas is a straight white supremacist who justifies genocides of the weak.

[@vch309]

Satire ​@@dianax6680

[@twerkysandwich64]

Anyone with any critical thinking skills should be able to tell he’s fos within watching 1-2 or his interviews

[@jadhajali2804]

If you want to argue like that for genocide, then I doubt there's been any real genocide in history... What's happening in ukraine, is not a genocide. What happened in germany 1940s, wasn't a genocide. What happened to the aboriginals in europe and america, wasn't genocide. What happened between tribes, wasn't genocide. If you want to make this claim, then sure, by all means. Be consistent and do it. If so, the entire term becomes moot.

[@FromTheAshes0762]

I can not wait for this video

[@kingfillins4117]

Finkestein impression.... So funny !!

[@TheEverFreeKing]

How could it go on for 6 hours like that 🗿 Sounds like a nightmare to watch 💀

[@benblarney]

You mean entertaining? 😂😂😂

[@MrX-vq8ge]

Destiny desperately trying to make sure none of his fans watch him get demolished

[@jeffdubbs1488]

Destiny comes at the genocide point like a child. No one that is going to commit a genocide is going to openly say that. He keeps harping on intent but then suspends his brain when it comes to actually analyzing the collective actions and words of the Israeli government. The caller's point of hey maybe if you have all of these high ranking cabinet members making statements that can be construed as genocidal and you marry that with a bombing campaign that has overwhelmingly killed not combatants well then maybe Destiny can understand why the genocide argument has legs. Like seriously, how bad faith to be like you need to show intent and then very dismissively hand wave away public comments by Israeli cabinet members that express intent. Looks like he learned a lot from Finklestein in their debate and he's already using it. So a question for Destiny, what would Israel have to do realistically for you to believe it's a genocide? We can't take their words at face value because according to you they are allowed to speak their minds. We can't take their actions at face value because actions need intent for it to be genocide. We can't take their actions and words together so what would qualify as a genocide to Destiny? Destiny knows what isn't a genocide but he should educate us all on what is a genocide.

[@ogolthorp]

Intent is the most important factor in determining a genocide. He also literally defines genocide in this video.

[@maya-amf3325]

I'm so shocked. The guy who just started getting interested in that topic who was arrogant enough to say he literally wanted to set the historical standard and move the issue forward, ended up not moving the issue forward at all and the whole thing ended up at the usual stalemate state it always does. Shocked!

[@naor85]

One point about the proportionality topic at the end that is always seemingly left out - is proportionality is a 2 way balance. It’s not just how many civilians can be harmed but also how big of a threat is that military target. If the US for instance was only willing to attack a Taliban target if less than 10 civilians were harmed - that is not the same equation for Israel. The Taliban have never fired missiles at American civilians or invaded their homes to kidnap them.

[@angelmartin7310]

Bingo

[@notimportant8806]

I don't know what you mean by saying that it's "left out" of the discussion, unless you're being willfully obtuse. If for instance there is a military target with civilians in the area, are all feasible strategies explored to ensure that civilian lives aren't harmed as much as possible? I don't think Israel really cares, but attempts to keep up the pretenses of being concerned for the loss of civilian lives. The equation for Israel indeed remains the same. Unless you forgot why the United States fought the Taliban in the first place.

[@angelmartin7310]

@@notimportant8806 Israel has to keep up the pretense of even believing there is a distinction between Hamas and Gazans, which is a ridiculous and bogus pretense after Oct 7th.

[@naor85]

@@notimportant8806 ​​⁠I meant that it was left out of their discussion…? Youre either A: simply not understanding international law or B: not understanding the difference between nation building half way across the world and removing a military invasion threat directly on your borders.

[@Red_Comet_Char_Aznable]

@@notimportant8806Ordering the population to leave before the offensive is a reasonable measure. You might argue that it is illegal but the U.S. did the same thing in Iraq numerous times.

[@ravenhawk3758]

I love how you describe Finkelstein. Got a good chuckle. Can't wait for the debate.

[@areichental]

Norman finklestein is so unhinged makes ben shapiro look like abe lincon

[@Metalgear256]

how so zionist

[@fffx2]

Tbf, Ben is pretty middle of the road politically

[@richardavery4692]

Shapiro is literally a cardboard cut out of "average Republican" on most issues. Destiny is actually sounding like a calmer, less emotional Ben when he talks about Israel. This makes sense when you realize Shapiro actually knows people in Israel & has personally attended multiple Jewish funerals at this point. It's probably extremely difficult not to get emotional when someone you know has recently been killed by Hamas.

[@John-bravooo]

Shapiro is still more knowledgeable than Destiny. Destiny still thinks the 2 state solution is viable.

[@diegot143]

Here after watching the debate lol. Lmao at your Destiny's impression of Twinklestein

[@hamzariazuddin424]

Whether you agree or disagree with finklestin. I’m confused a little bit by destiny here. Haven’t watched the whole video but at the start he says “ finklsetin brought up a part of Benny’s book where he states Israel tried to minimise casualties, he then takes a quote from another of Benny’s books that speaks of an idf soldier not trying to minimise casualties”. I’m confused, isn’t that clear what Norman is trying to do? Hes making the point that to say Israel was trying to minimise casualties in Lebanon but then have more evidence for the later, it’s a bad point to make. Isn’t that obvious. I’m confused why destiny doesn’t get that. Maybe I’m hearing destiny wrong or miss understanding something but I’m very confused with what destiny expects ?

[@machheydt176]

Destiny believes one diary explaining civilians dying is anecdotal. Which, in itself is true. But you're right, Destiny misses the point that Norm will not quote each and every source to show there's more evidence to argue Israel does not minimize casualties, and that Benny knows this, yet leaves that out of his book. Destiny should know by now that these people have extensively studied history and its politics, and that they will not simply make a claim about history without any evidence to back that up. Norm even says on many occasions that he will not quote all of his sources, but that he has read the tens of thousands of pages on particular subjects and will pick and quote one source to back his argument. Not to appeal too much to authority, but I don't think Destiny was well suited for this debate.

[@ivansyomkin2156]

The diary stated that civillians were dying. Destiny didn't say civillians didn't die, but that Israel was trying to minimize them. The quote is irrelevant because everyone knows civilians died and no one was defending that position.

[@skylordquasar]

I need to see this debate. When?

[@SJSharkByte]

Think Lex made a post on /r/Destiny saying a couple weeks

[@pdpgb]

@@SJSharkByte WEEKS???? What in the fuck is Lex thinking. 10,000 more Palestinian children are gonna be dead by the time anyone even sees the debate.

[@milespaw]

So a kid who reads Wikipedia thinks hes more qualified than a professor who spent his entire adult life studying Palestine ? Wow! History will prove Norman to be 100% correct! Destiny is Tim Pool of debating!

[@ogolthorp]

Aged like milk

[@tomjames9681]

I want an uninterrupted Finkelstein smirk compilation.

[@pragmatic-no-nonsense9363]

“Even if you kill every single Palestinian that’s not genocide” Then he points at “genocidal” statements provided by leading lawyer on genocide and he denies them. If you don’t think he’s bias then you’re blind or equally bias.

[@lampad4549]

They are not killing every palestinian. And they dont have genocidal actions. Statement without actions are meaningless not to mention how misquoted those statements are and thats how they referred to as genocidal.

[@pragmatic-no-nonsense9363]

You don't have to kill every palestinian to commit genocide. You're literally parrotting Destiny's points lol. Go read the report and tell what was misquoted... Israel is smart and they know that if they just kill every Palestinian they'd get way too much pressure from the international community. They are working their hardest at apprearing like they are abiding by international law while seeking to achieve the goal of pushing the majority of palestinians out of Gaza.. Not sure how sniping a 5 year old and his mom is fighting Hamas Not sure how killing a 6 year old stuck in a car is fighting Hamas Not sure how starving 2 million people is fighting Hamas@@lampad4549

[@pragmatic-no-nonsense9363]

without actions?@@lampad4549

[@thelevelbeyondhuman]

I have this feeling Lex won’t post the full debate in one go. Probably a two part release.

[@-postboy-8766]

I have a feeling it’s not getting posted at all seeing as no clips of it exist, no one recorded it, destiny is the only one talking about the debate after the fact and he’s just raging about how it went. Seems like destiny was made a total fool and lex is doing him the service of not uploading it. It’s been like over two weeks and no signs of it being released have shown.

[@LongLiveIsrael-c7y]

How twinkelstein is held in high regard this freaking 🤡🤡🤡

[@michaelscott70]

I never knew anyone doubted the efficacy of the iron dome. Strange world.

[@jakeriff95]

When is it going up??

[@damedusa5107]

Probably when the war is over and the two state solution has been agreed

[@nellyc3669]

Depends on lex

[@giggler-w5n]

About 2 weeks

[@GBGB000]

Mine went up within seconds. Rock hard.

[@Илия́Фримен]

@@GBGB000hell yeah dude

[@machheydt176]

8:20 this reaction does make me feel as if you're just bitter about the debate. You were surrounded by people who have studied history. They even told you during the debate that racism back then was different. If the jews were just persecuted, why is it so inconceivable to you that there was racism towards brown people? 6 million people were just killed because they were jewish... Is that also inconceivable to you? Why is that so different. Don't dismiss outright what they're saying because you don't have the framework to understand what whas happening back then. You even said you're the least informed about this topic, yet you're so quick to dismiss any argument...

[@Victestr0104]

Destiny arguing for Trump’s intent when inciting an insurrection: “well, you know he used strong words and directed people to the capitol.” Destiny arguing against genocide intent: “those are just strong words and don’t prove intent.”

[@meltedsnowman9637]

There’s way more than just that that Trump did. Also there’s a huge different between inferring intent of a state and an entire army from an individual within that state and inferring the intent of Trump from both the words and actions of Trump.

[@Victestr0104]

@@meltedsnowman9637 The most obvious evidence that Israel is committing genocide: the destruction of 70% of housing with the excuse that they are targeting Hamas (1.5% of the pop are Hamas) while destroying 90% of medical facilities rendering Palestinians unable to save their wounded. Even more cutting off food to 2 million people and denying over 70% of aid trucks. They are starving the population, killing them in mass, and cutting off medical assistance to the injured by destroying medical facilities. The quotes by leaders are merely support of the primary evidence.

[@Victestr0104]

@@meltedsnowman9637 The most obvious evidence that Israel is committing genocide: the destruction of 70% of housing with the excuse that they are targeting Hamas (1.5% of the pop are Hamas) while destroying 90% of medical facilities rendering Palestinians unable to save their wounded. Even more cutting off food to 2 million people and denying over 70% of aid trucks. They are starving the population, killing them in mass, and cutting off medical assistance to the injured by destroying medical facilities. The quotes by leaders are merely support of the primary evidence.

[@Victestr0104]

@@meltedsnowman9637 The most obvious evidence that Israel is committing genocide: the destruction of 70% of housing with the excuse that they are targeting Hamas (1.5% of the pop are Hamas) while destroying 90% of medical facilities rendering Palestinians unable to save their wounded. Even more cutting off food to 2 million people and denying over 70% of aid trucks. They are starving the population, killing them in mass, and cutting off medical assistance to the injured by destroying medical facilities. The quotes by leaders are merely support of the primary evidence.

[@Victestr0104]

@@meltedsnowman9637 The most obvious evidence that Israel is committing genocide: the destruction of 70% of housing with the excuse that they are targeting Hamas (1.5% of the pop are Hamas) while destroying 90% of medical facilities rendering Palestinians unable to save their wounded. Even more cutting off food to 2 million people and denying over 70% of aid trucks. They are starving the population, killing them in mass, and cutting off medical assistance to the injured by destroying medical facilities. The quotes by leaders are merely support of the primary evidence.

[@matsab7930]

27:30 - It is honestly wild that you can intentionally omit the entire context around a quote to build a narrative as part of an international criminal court case... You should be told to leave and return when you plan on engaging in good faith honestly.

[@farmanfaris6240]

you seem very defeated in that deabte 😂😂😂😂😂😂😁😁😁😁

[@shvnj]

I think the word you were looking for was “frustrated”

[@diogenes.]

No ,it's obvious ,he swept the floor with him

[@lampad4549]

​@diogenes. Who swept the floor with whom and where is the debate cant find it?

[@diogenes.]

@@lampad4549 the way destiny is acting childishly, he's neven been this way, obvious that he'd been KO'd , still not uploaded, lex is quite about it ,idk what's going on ,waiting for it just like you

[@diogenes.]

@@lampad4549 it's there ,lex put it up 👍

[@jackedup9366]

I don’t get it, when will it be released?

[@riri_renee5550]

Sounds like Destiny is doing damage control before the release. 😅

[@exiledhebrew1994]

@@riri_renee5550he had to; he’s losing on this topic

[@Mike-xz9dg]

Wikipedia Steve, who learned about the existence of Palestine 5 months ago, is upset that legit scholars don’t take him seriously 😂

[@overtherenowaitthere]

why was he there and why did Norman finklestein agree to debate if he didn’t take him seriously? The scholar he would talk to didn’t have a problem with the wiki warrior on his side

[@muhammadzulkarnaen4229]

If he's not demented and bad-faith, he probably doesn't need to use underhanded debate tactics. Imagine a Professional MMA fighter who claims to be a 'champion' going into the octagon fighting an individual whom he views beneath him but refuses to take any punch from him by handcuffing his hand. I thought you were the champion? Why are you afraid of fighting with him fairly? This was supposed to be a swipe on the floor.

[@Mike-xz9dg]

@@overtherenowaitthere for views?

[@andynonymous2164]

At least you are aware that a guy who sits in his basement, wearing jammies, talking to a webcam might be the "least knowledgeable" person in a room full of reknowned scholars and published authors.

[@bluerangerx11]

Why he doing damage control before the debate comes out 🤣🤣🤣

[@bawar112]

Deeeerrrr I read wiki for a few weeks, I’m such a genius

[@lampad4549]

Calling the entire video intense cope and getting something wrong from the first 5 mins?

[@kidtruck9157]

Salute to you for putting up with it

[@Samreyna1]

Destiny getting pay check from Netanyahu for sure

[@SDREHXC]

Destiny’s recollection of the debate for the first few minutes is some of the most I’ve laughed at his stream in a long ass time. He does the voice and impression so well, maybe not accurately but like, perfect for the comedy of it.

[@evanb4189]

"You just read wikipedia" - A guy that only reads правда and Chomsky.

[@TerrorZelle]

still better than wikipedia

[@lampad4549]

​@@TerrorZelledefinitely not

[@tocadiscos5]

I hope destiny understands know why shmuley was so aggressive and insulting norm intelligence on a debate weeks ago. You cant have a serious discussion with that kind of people.

[@TheIsraelProphetess]

I was gonna say that very thing. If I was in a debate with Finkelstein the first thing I’d do is ask him does he have a basement and is it free of dead bodies. I don’t care if it makes me look unprofessional or crazy. The guy gives me serial killer vibes and someone has to f-ing say it!

[@Julian-wk1uq]

@@TheIsraelProphetess it does make you sound crazy lol. debate the actual positions

[@overtherenowaitthere]

Yes, saying he’s crazy for his views. And then trying to attribute his views as only being normal for a serial killer doesn’t even qualify as debating. You’re just insulting each other and going back to your sides of the room afterwards.

[@deeky1239]

​@@Julian-wk1uqfinkle doesnt though

[@emilianosintarias7337]

this comment defending Shmuley got plenty of likes on this Destiny channel. Yeah, that's the level of Destiny stans/cult members. Whatever you think of Finekestin or Morris, Shmuley is like 3 full, steep, abyssal, steps below Alex Jones

[@harlenkelly7331]

Poisining the well before the debate is uploaded, quite pathetic if you ask me.

[@overtherenowaitthere]

oh no if he talks about how something went weeks before it’s uploaded on someone else’s channel that’s just a dishonorable thing to do! not one person on that debate panel has an obligation to be silent on their debate to provide a totally non biased view of the content. You were never going to, you’re already here on the editors channel complaining about him answering questions from his subscribers about how it went after multiple weeks of streaming his preparation. are you going to tell me he’s prepping his viewers in his website on his subs only chat and this is the well you believe has been poisoned? What about when finklestein discussed destiny before the debate was filmed? Dismissing his entire arguments based on his status as a streamer and not worth speaking to doesn’t poison the well for a well intentioned debate?

[@aidanrusnell6480]

"Maam, Maam, Maam, excuse me, you have a womans name" -Normie Finkelstein

[@pauld.factsnobs4185]

why hasn't the debate been shown anywhere? I see many anti norman comments , I haven't seen a substantive one yet

[@NFGU89]

ive watched this 3x because i cannot stop laughing at his impersonation of ienhornis-finklestein

[@gallavanting2041]

Finkelstein made a career out of being a special-ed quote miner huh?

[@MrX-vq8ge]

Nope, you can read plenty of original thoughts, ideas and arguments in his books.

[@gallavanting2041]

@@MrX-vq8ge Thanks Finkelstein.

[@James-9999]

Imagine lex telling someone to be more aggressive 🙄

[@GeniusSays]

So it’s not even out and you’re already defending yourself? LOL

[@pragmatic-no-nonsense9363]

and did a very poor job at that...out of a 6 hour debate he did not made any compelling points. I'm so excited of this debate.

[@stephonkruspky2945]

My favorite part was when he jumped up and screamed. “It’s Finking Time!” Really turned the tide.

[@Thereal100pack]

Destiny needs to define these topics clearly. Establish his positions and defend them accordingly. Ie if Gaza isn’t a CC what is it? I’d like to see less debate tactics and more intellectual honesty.

[@ogolthorp]

No. The ones making the claims need to define those claims. If you say Gaza is a concentration camp you need to define what that means, and then a discussion can be had.

[@shoopinc]

Destiny got absolutely demolished in this debate.

[@zephirol4638]

lmao watching destiny melt down because his ego wasn't sufficiently stroked is hilarious.

[@lampad4549]

Thats not why he melt down did we watch the same vid just now?

[@thegratefuldeb2269]

Omg i haven't laughed like this in a while thank you for the Finkelstein impressions 😂 im crying