Itachi vs The Akatsuki Is Not Close!

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Virhtue

Virhtue

Күн бұрын

Obito always seems to speak a rhetorical tone for Itachi’s formidability that’s not really shown with any other character with him being scared of Itachi’s mind and will and more importantly the option of him eventually betraying the akatsuki. So what would happen if he did run the akatsuki gauntlet, going from low tier - high tier so was Obito actually justified?!?!
Time Stamps;
Introduction - 0:00
Itachi’s Power - 0:50
Low Tier - 10:59
Low Mid Tier - 17:31
High Mid Tier - 27:59
High Tier - 34:36
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@Tempest3307
@Tempest3307 2 ай бұрын
From my understanding itachi is top 3, so he should be slaughtering most of the akatsuki, with only pain and obito beating him.
@ManhwaToonn
@ManhwaToonn 2 ай бұрын
My thoughts exactly
@ManhwaToonn
@ManhwaToonn 2 ай бұрын
My thoughts exactly
@uspahle
@uspahle 2 ай бұрын
Neither of them beat him
@kingjupiterr1391
@kingjupiterr1391 2 ай бұрын
Exactly
@claudec3695
@claudec3695 2 ай бұрын
@@uspahle such a fan girl
@commonsense9076
@commonsense9076 2 ай бұрын
Itachi fans still think he can beat Madara to this day lmao
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
Not sure why
@billybob4532
@billybob4532 2 ай бұрын
@@Virhtue Bro because of that statement where Itachi can beat Madara form the interview which only the International Cult of Itachi (ICI) can find but not share to anybody
@rais6036
@rais6036 Ай бұрын
​@@billybob4532😂
@virusworld3730
@virusworld3730 7 күн бұрын
obito fans are now saying obito can beat superman, LOL, obito and itachi fans are the worse
@Tenshiyo
@Tenshiyo 6 күн бұрын
I mean if we're talking Rinnegan Madara strength or above then no Itachi doesn't have a chance. If we're talking Final Valley Madara however, then yea it's at least a discussion, unless Itachi has his sickness in the hypothetical fight, then it's not a discussion lol
@metroplextitan8816
@metroplextitan8816 2 ай бұрын
Itachi having ninja aids is so funny ngl
@rodtack8420
@rodtack8420 2 ай бұрын
he was too powerful so they had to nerf him. they did the same thing with goku durring hte android saga
@spit-fire
@spit-fire 2 ай бұрын
something I wanna say about itachi vs orochimaru is, although its clear that orochimaru knows itachi is superior by a significant amount, i don't think its as easy as everyone says. its true that with just his base 3 tom sharingan itachi was able to paralyze orochi, but in both manga and anime orochimaru was still able to fight it off. he was shaking and slowing starting breaking through, before itachi cleverly cut off his arm so he couldn't weave signs. I think it shows itachi cant just simply over power him, he has to out smart him too (which he totally does) and that's what convices orochimaru he could never take him, and that its a bad idea to face him. even in the sasuke fight, people always say "itachi beat orochimaru's strongest jutsu in a second", which is true, but itachi was also using his strongest jutsu/final trump card. and again, orochimaru had no idea itachi had the toska blade. orochimaru is used to not having worrying about getting stabbed/sliced, so in his mind it was ok for the big susano sword to impale him. he even laughed like in his head he was thinking "big brain itachi's best play was to stab me lol", then was like "oh shit". itachi knew all this about orochimaru, so again he outplayed him. if they both actually prepared to fight each other, and had full intel I think orochimaru would still lose, but im just saying he'd do a really good job in making itachi try. he'd have to use the MS to properly kill him. oral rebirth for Amaterasu, orochimaru knowing to be careful not to fall for genjutsu, and DO NOT let the toska blade touch you.
@angevinegangevine7959
@angevinegangevine7959 2 ай бұрын
100% agree with this take. Oro was 100% confident he could kill itachi until he found out about the spirit weapons. Oro might even tire Itachi out with Edo tensei before engaging.
@___________0Z0X
@___________0Z0X 2 ай бұрын
Thank you so much not enough people put much thought into the matchup.
@shadowuchiha4311
@shadowuchiha4311 2 ай бұрын
True, but even then itachi wasn’t preforming his best since he had to since orochimaru which I don’t think people give him credit for. It’s super crazy.
@The__Deadman
@The__Deadman 14 күн бұрын
@@spit-fire Dude I said the same thing as you numerous times before lol
@plavsk
@plavsk 2 ай бұрын
i disagree with the yasaka beads thing... just because it helped destoy chibaku tensei doesnt mean it did a third of the work, nothing suggest those beads are as strong as a rasenshuriken or a bijuu bomb, which probably did most of the work whenever those beads are used, even when madara uses them, they never do anything impressive , tsunade tanked it, i dont think she could tank a bijuu bomb or a rasenshuriken which destroy your cells. i would say that those beads are magnitudes weaker than a tailed beast bomb or a rasenshuriken
@rabidcanine
@rabidcanine 2 ай бұрын
You have zero basis for that theory
@plavsk
@plavsk 2 ай бұрын
@@rabidcanine didnt i explain? yasaka beads as powerful as a bijuu bomb or rasenshuriken, because they get blocked by a stone golem and tanked by tsunade who couldnt have tanked either of those
@Silva-ek9hd
@Silva-ek9hd 2 ай бұрын
@@plavskyeah see the problem with this is that Bijuu bombs and rasenshuriken are attacks specifically effective against organic material. So the idea that Tsunade couldn’t tank it… has not only ever been confirmed or denied, but also not important in discussing destructive power.
@Akbar_and_Shaa
@Akbar_and_Shaa 2 ай бұрын
​@rabidcanine you have less to prove the beads with no ap feats did a third when compared to two attacks with actual feats and statements
@plavsk
@plavsk 2 ай бұрын
@@Silva-ek9hd but it is clear that in terms of raw power the beads are below a tailed beast bomb or rasenshuriken
@8ferarry8
@8ferarry8 Ай бұрын
Pain stomps Itachi. Itachi + Killer B + KCM1 Naruto were needed to end his menace in the war arc, they had to combine their strongest attacks just to counter one of Pains stronger jutsus. Itachi is 3rd strongest in the Akatsuki and the top two - Pain and Obito - stop him like its nothing.
@jason15212
@jason15212 2 ай бұрын
I don’t think Itachi beats Obito
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
Agreed
@SoullessFN
@SoullessFN 2 ай бұрын
Wrong😊
@Jusaguywithbrain
@Jusaguywithbrain 2 ай бұрын
​@@SoullessFNcope obito mid diffs
@mcstate111
@mcstate111 2 ай бұрын
Fucking wrong
@myrongainesthegoat
@myrongainesthegoat 2 ай бұрын
low​@@Jusaguywithbrain
@twisteddruid2691
@twisteddruid2691 2 ай бұрын
Thinking Itachi beats pain is such a emo boy bias so funny lol.
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
Have you watched my video, saying it’s bias quite literally contradicts nearly two hundred chapters of dense dialogue and narratives it’s atleast close
@twisteddruid2691
@twisteddruid2691 2 ай бұрын
@@Virhtue Saying itachi would beat pain is bias in my opinion and we can go onto scailing and feats and abilities i believe this is already a solved fight. Itachi is a amazing character and he stomps so many people. but if we go alive "super nerfed and sick" itachi vs pain take them as is pain wins then if you go to them both be edo, edo Nagato is insane, edo itachi is also very strong. But nagato is just above him. Now speculatively speaking a healthy alive itachi vs pain is a good fight and i might take itachi but i would never known we have never seen him healthy alive id imagine close to edo but. i spoke very vaguely here so if anyone disagrees with any statements lmk and ill go deeper into why i think they are that way.
@The__Deadman
@The__Deadman 2 ай бұрын
@@twisteddruid2691 Imo Pain beats Itachi, but Itachi beats yellow mask Obito. Obito is overrated af, more than Itachi these days.
@twisteddruid2691
@twisteddruid2691 2 ай бұрын
@@The__Deadman If your talking about yellow mask obito ill hear you out on that yellow mask obito would of got no diffed by minato if the 9 tails wasnt there and his kid wasnt taken captive and while i do think itachi loses to minato i think its super close but so itachi beating yellow masked obito is very fair.
@The__Deadman
@The__Deadman 2 ай бұрын
@@twisteddruid2691 I meant Akatsuki Obito, he's overrated af in my eyes. People overrate Kamui way too much when it's mainly op af for defence, not as much for offence. I think Pain is a hard counter against Akatsuki Obito, Itachi beats him too but in a harder fight. Figuring out Kamui and it's weaknesses will be the key. If he manages to trick him to Kamui his explosive clone it'll do a lot. I have Pain > Itachi > Akatsuki Obito.
@protesttheshirou6233
@protesttheshirou6233 2 ай бұрын
Awesome start to the day with a new vid!
@yamamotogotbodied1606
@yamamotogotbodied1606 2 ай бұрын
I completely agree!
@jason15212
@jason15212 2 ай бұрын
Great content always enjoy these types of videos💯
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
More to come!
@NarutosRasengan5
@NarutosRasengan5 2 ай бұрын
Itachi is losing to pain and Obito and it shouldn’t even be a debate bro😐 itachi knows nothing about Obito and Obito knows all of Itachi’s abilities…pain just outclasses him in almost every way…the only thing he has going on for him in most fights is merely iq and that’s about it…his abilities are shit compared to most top tiers and against pain it’s literally a 6v1 if we’re not being disingenuous and putting everyone at full power he’d get slammed and the longer that battle last the harder his ninja aids will hit… and with Obito actually having intel on itachi and with what he shown us frm using a random pole to finish off konan…use chains against minato…use a katana in the massacre…his taijutsu with kakashi and being hashirama cells he’d whoop Itachi’s ass cleannnn😭his only win cons are izanami or izanagi bullshit to rewrite reality or sum nonsense powers that he just has for being an Uchiha😂great vid nonetheless new sub 🤝
@TroyDunaway
@TroyDunaway 2 ай бұрын
His abilities are 'shit' compared to top tiers, yet he has a sword with essentially infinite ap in the totsuka blade, plus a shield with infinite durability in the yata mirror... Not to mention amaterasu or tsukuyomi...Yeah, ok lol.
@NarutosRasengan5
@NarutosRasengan5 2 ай бұрын
@@TroyDunawaytoo bad it only hits big targets or people who are not paying attention to him lol anyone who’s paying attention in battle wouldn’t get hit by it and that doesn’t help because pain could simply put him and that blade along with his half ass Susano’o in a chibaku tensei and Obito could slip right through not to mention him getting to use that blade is him using his trump card…he doesn’t win cope harder 😂
@canasdad9115
@canasdad9115 2 ай бұрын
@@TroyDunaway bansho tenin yanks itachi out of his “invincible” susano
@TroyDunaway
@TroyDunaway 2 ай бұрын
​​@@NarutosRasengan5Did I even say Itachi would win? No. I didn't. I was only speaking to your point regarding Itachi's 'shit' abilities. I personally think Pain wins against Itachi, but to completely downplay and try to neg his abilities as 'shit' is disingenuous.
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
Itachi knows Kamui
@lakithchandra8901
@lakithchandra8901 2 ай бұрын
Awesome video man
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
Glad you liked it my friend
@yamamotogotbodied1606
@yamamotogotbodied1606 2 ай бұрын
Alright so my intention when I come to the comment section is never to just glaze, but your videos are 9.5 times out of ten so accurate that there’s no real discussion for me to start in the comments. 😅 so once again imma just like the video now and I’ll be back afterwords lol. On a serious note though I don’t think it’s physical possible for you to miss anymore because this topic seems so easy to think of or be like damn that cool! But I’ve been watching videos on Naruto power scaling for almost 8 years now and as far as I’m aware this topic may have come up but wasn’t done or wasn’t done with the crazy hard work and dedication you put into it so it never popped off. Point I’m making is I think it’s incredible how you find niche or isolated matchups or scenarios and then just bring them to life. No cap you’re not just a goat but imo a professional at the top of your field! 🙏🏾💯
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
Thank you so much, making my day❤️
@zonnodon163
@zonnodon163 2 ай бұрын
Agreed, and nicely done vid. Even with all the little mistakes here and there.
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
What little mistakes
@newaceoftheuniverse5948
@newaceoftheuniverse5948 2 ай бұрын
The itachi vs pain debate is the only thing I disagree with you
@___________0Z0X
@___________0Z0X 2 ай бұрын
I honestly feel like that fight could go either way.
@okwayz4438
@okwayz4438 2 ай бұрын
Itachi doesn’t have the stamina nor chakra to compete against pain… let’s be fr
@whispr_2ME
@whispr_2ME Ай бұрын
​@@okwayz4438 Name Itachi's worst stamina/chakra capacity anti-feat. From what I can remember it's when he outlasted Orochimaru-absorbed-Sasuke + Orochimaru's hydra form while blind and terminally ill. "Low-stamina-Itachi" is just a meme.
@okwayz4438
@okwayz4438 Ай бұрын
@@whispr_2ME it is believed he have a respiratory infection which slows him down and eventually killed him. It’s in the data book
@Exquizit_scans3838
@Exquizit_scans3838 2 ай бұрын
I doubt Obito can beat itachi in fact itachi has already watched Obito travel technique and he broke through his genjutsu as a kid with no sharingan.
@treylearns634
@treylearns634 2 ай бұрын
Itachi did not”blitz” nagato. That man stayed as far away from him as possible. Blinded the summons eyes he was distracted. Three a smoke bomb (which apparently the reningan can’t see through). And THEN went strait for totsuka blade. Also it’s debatable whether nagato even had any chakras left after the chibaku tensei. He could have been back to being controlled by kabuto slow ass and just didn’t move. He literally sat there. Itachi did not engage nagato in any 1v1. He does not scale to him. He needed help just to get out of chibaku tensei had it not been for bee and Naruto itachi Edo would be sealed again.
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
He stayed as far away as possible? He literally ripped his arm off😭
@treylearns634
@treylearns634 2 ай бұрын
@@Virhtue yea after utilizing the fact that he was distracted. Itachi didn’t run the 1’s with nagato in the conventional sense. He used Naruto and bee to get the upper hand. Kabuto was more focused on extracting bijuu than itachi. Which is how he got any hits in at all. There’s nothing itachi can really do to nagato in a fair fight. He has counters for almost everything
@whispr_2ME
@whispr_2ME Ай бұрын
Reread the fight. Blinding the summons with kunai before chopping Nagato makes the blitz even worse. Nagato fails to show any sign of reacting to either parts of the attack until after he's been split. If you only watched the anime, then you don't know that Nagato never even turned his head towards the oncoming attack in the manga. The only sign of reaction from him is an exclamation mark *after* the chop lands. The sequence of events in the manga is *really* bad for Nagato; it does not portray him as being even kind of relative to Itachi. Smoke bombs are a basic ninja tool. If that's too much for Nagato's rinnegan, then it is what it is. It just means that Itachi's easiest win con is a smoke bomb. Also, Nagato absorbed a full v2 chakra cloak from B and a rasengan from Naruto. There is absolutely zero way for you to prove Nagato was out of chakra.
@treylearns634
@treylearns634 Ай бұрын
@@whispr_2ME wrong. Everything that Edo nagato does is basically under kabutos rule. Kabuto doesn’t even know how to use the reningan or even the full scale of its abilities. Kabuto literally goes “ oh wait there’s that one jutsu that planetary one” not even knowing the arsenal. To sit there and act like kabuto use of reningan is superior to the ACTUAL original user is absolutely asinine. Again the summons are irrelevant if kabuto has all eyes focused on extracting bijuu. Everyone sits here and acts like it’s a fair fight when it wasn’t. When itachi beats nagato in a fair 1v 1 then call me. He had the best two support in the verse or at least the top 7. He didn’t do anything on his own
@treylearns634
@treylearns634 Ай бұрын
@@whispr_2ME also it’s not that it’s “too much” for nagatos reningan. It’s just not able to see through it. There are advantages and disadvantages to every jutsu. A simple shinra tensei could have dispelled the smoke. But then nagato would never lose. So narratively he had to get stabbed
@alancarmona059
@alancarmona059 2 ай бұрын
you should do this same gauntlet style with the other members of the akatsuki 🙌
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
Agreed!!
@Edited_Comment
@Edited_Comment 2 ай бұрын
Whats your take on the Itachi vs Nagato fight in their edo forms. I see a lot of mix opinions on it I've always personally been on the side the Itachi would come out on top but if Nagato gets out a Chibaku Tensei not sure if Itachi can destroy it himself
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
I thinks it’s a nuanced discussion with Itachi have easier assertions yet Nagato’s are harder but still good
@iPokemonAi
@iPokemonAi 2 ай бұрын
I love reading the comments as I listen to the video, good video so far 9:08
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
Love to hear it
@Anno_AD
@Anno_AD 2 ай бұрын
Only just read the title and I know you gotta play that algorithm game, but the thumbnail and title implying that Itachi vs Pain or Obito isn't even close is CRAZY
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
😭😭
@Steckdose_
@Steckdose_ 2 ай бұрын
Although I don't think it's impossible do personally have an issue with the Yasaka no Magatama being a suppressed Version when used against the Shibaku Tensei. 1st Itachi would need to scale not just his Own attack, but also analyze Killer Bee's Biju Bomb (Which he never saw), Naruto's Rasenshuriken (Which he didn't see thrown but only slammed into the dog) and the Shibaku Tensei (Which he also probably never saw) at the same time while already forming his own attack to properly adjust the amount of strength needed to succeed. 2nd The Armored Form might just not be able to use them, similarly to how Sasuke Switches his Bow from the Semi-Armored Form for a Sword in the Fully Armored Version. So the higher Armor could imply a more limited Range to the Susanoo in exchange, which might also be one of the reasons Itachi only uses it when he needs either the Durability/Mirror or is close enough to actually stab someone with the Totsuka Blade. 3rd The Yasaka no Magatama used against Kabuto are all single beads spread out from each other, while the ones used against the Shibaku Tensei are revolving around each other and even sort of connected, which could mean that even though fewer beads are used, that the technique could actually be more advanced.
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
I’ve heard this before not a bad argument!
@christopherdarlington2846
@christopherdarlington2846 2 ай бұрын
virhtue I am 1minute into your and I am your biggest fan and u will my vote till the end
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
Thank you so much king!
@jdrmanmusiqking
@jdrmanmusiqking 2 ай бұрын
I think its clear from the framing that Obito and Itachi were relative. Based on manga panels, conversations and logic this has to be the case Itachi was still probably "weaker" but kind of like a Piccolo vs Goku 23rd Boudokai but not so much like Piccolo vs Raditz in the saiyan saga Any further of a gap wouldn't make narrative sense. Obito would've just killed Itachi and went through with his plans. Hell he wouldve sent Pain to to it but Obito didnt This is more of a 6/4 matchup
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
Agreed, people who say one certainly stomps the other probably glossed over this narrative
@grantwilliams93
@grantwilliams93 2 ай бұрын
4th Raikage vs the Akatsuki (tiers or 1v1) would be hype. Specifically the 4th raikage from the 5ks. Keeping how he fights as a character intact and not putting a controller up his butt so he V2 blitzes off rip.
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
Could do it for sure!
@grantwilliams93
@grantwilliams93 2 ай бұрын
@Virhtue cool, you make great content. If you do it, id like to throw in my 2 cents that Samehada did absorb lightning chakra off of Bee's swords in their fight. So to me, unless you argue the raikage kills Kisame in 1 hit(he COULD, but only with a v2 blitz decapitation off rip), I tend to see that fight gothe same as vs Bee. Where Kisame is absorbing insane amounts of chakra off the Raikage and ripping off the lightning cloak until the bubble comes out. Kisame did absorb nearly all of gyuki and Bee's chakra. I don't really know why there is this point about lightning vs Kisame when in chapter 470 we see samehada take the lightning chakra right off Bee's sword before it gets stabbed.
@paulmavronas5089
@paulmavronas5089 2 ай бұрын
I always thought sasuke escaped the tsukuyomi because itachi let him escape you know in order to go easy on him. Is that not true i've heard alot of people argue that it sasuke broke free himself.
@hiddenmarco
@hiddenmarco 2 ай бұрын
We turning on the hot sign wit this one😈🍩
@ManhwaToonn
@ManhwaToonn 2 ай бұрын
Noti gang
@whoizray_
@whoizray_ 2 ай бұрын
bro been on a grind with these vids 💯
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
Always
@grantwilliams93
@grantwilliams93 2 ай бұрын
For me, i think its fair to say that Itachi CAN beat Pain or Obito, but i dont think his win rate is higher than theirs vs him. If its sick itachi.
@spit-fire
@spit-fire 2 ай бұрын
I agree. if itachi has intel against pain I think id give him the edge. if he knows to take out the reviving path first, counter the shared vision, and not waste jutsu figuring out their abilities.
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
I can respect this then
@kevingbergiste7372
@kevingbergiste7372 2 ай бұрын
What does Obito know that we don’t know to make him think that there’s a possibility that itachi could kill him? That’s the mystery
@___________0Z0X
@___________0Z0X 2 ай бұрын
How much wood he’s packing.
@DarkEye-re9zg
@DarkEye-re9zg 2 ай бұрын
Great video. The storm statement is actually better in the japanese since obito says nobody can reach his level not even Sasuke. Although it is mostly cannon to the anime if anything but is backed up in the manga by how zetsu describes Itachi despite knowing of pain and obito and the second fanbook covering all the way upto five kage summit just stating Itachis power surpasses everything.
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
That’s solid asf
@tsukiyami7101
@tsukiyami7101 2 ай бұрын
Obito was cautious of Itachi. He acknowledged his strength but in all honesty one of Itachis threats didn't work when his amaterasu snuck him. My guy still survived. So idk Itachi may push Obito heavily in the fight but Obito has an out due to how busted kamui is.
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
He could of killed him, it just depends on your interpretation
@Arcadia_warlic
@Arcadia_warlic 2 ай бұрын
A game scene claims Itachi was forced to retreated from Jiraiya, so the "worthy" statement is likely dubious. The Raikiri is also S-rank. Sasuke's ribcage was smaller when A smashed through it. It did not have a full spine. Itachi did not use the Phoenix Sage Fire Technique against B, he used the Phoenix Sage Flower Nail Crimson. Edo Tensei seem to automatically cure illnesses given Kimimaro was also not deathly sick. The Mangekyō does not make the user faster, and Itachi had to blind Nagato before striking, which would be moot if he was so fast he could have just struck before Nagato could react. (One does not need the Mangekyō active to use Susanoo.) Kakashi constantly tries to pass off any titles of Hokage, whilst the Sannin have a much greater reputation, so not really the best proof, there. Jiraiya was also not selected over Kakashi the first time, since Kakashi was in a coma. Kisame said Deidara was one of the stronger members of the Akatsuki after Sasuke "killed" him, though it does not seem like Sasuke is faster than any of the dōjutsu users, or some others. Sasori was going to kill Sakura at the end if Chiyo did not intervene and even then, Sasori let his guard down due to being emotionally compromised. Earlier she could barely perceive the three puppet clash betwixt a slower Sasori and Chiyo. Hidan might not be able to be turned into ash since he survived Asuma's Ash Pile Burning which typically vaporizes whomever is caught in it. He is also shown getting in the way of Kakuzu's similarly large-scale ninjutsu (in the games, even amplified by Orochimaru) and gets out (mostly) fine. Itachi used Tsukuyomi on beetles, not bees, and that might have been through Sugaru's link to them via his Aburame nature (I think it was all of them at once, but others have this contention). Kakuzu was not caught off-guard since he was able to react and harden his face before the poisoned blade could nick him. He does not really ever have to dodge when he can block (though Itachi is likely superior to Kakuzu, yes). Aside from the fact that the Mangekyō is not a chakra/speed amplifier, Kakashi was not going all out against the 30% clone, either, and Kakashi was handling the clone just fine. Sakura had the most help against her respective Akatsuki, so the narrative implication is not exactly fair, therein. She only managed to shatter the Sandaime Kazekage puppet after Sasori thought she was dead, and she had a prepared antidote to even let her undergo that maneuver. The Kazekage is a hereditary position, so it does not mean Gaara is stronger than Chiyo. There are concerns in Gaara Hiden that Shikadai might become Kazekage if Gaara dies, which is moot if it could go to someone stronger, in Suna, like Temari or Baki. Ergo, Deidara beating Gaara does not prove superiority to Sasori who is stronger than a stronger Kazekage (Sandaime). I think Zetsu meant Sasuke did not suffer the mental damage because he had the power to break through it. Not that it really matters for Deidara. It is never said Itachi, B, and Naruto contributed equally in the Noka. If the destructive force need is a 100 and B and Naruto are 90, Itachi being a 10 does not conflict. Sasori's puppet body is his ultimate puppet, even superior to the >Shukaku Sandaime. Izami would be difficult since the hectic situation may prove difficult to repeat certain movements to get the loop in order. Sasori's defensive profile might also be enough to start wearing out Itachi if genjutsu does not work. Even if he burns his main body, he can possibly just eject the core. The Mangekyō does not amplify speed at all. Jigen notes Sasuke is going all out when he still has a three tomoe Sharingan, and Sasuke inconsistently switches betwixt three tomoe and Mangekyō against Isshiki, similarly. All the Mangekyō does is allow the user to pour more chakra for Sharingan techniques. Him beating Nagato was due to superior circumstances, not suddenly getting faster from fighting Naruto. If Itachi is tracking Naruto, Naruto bumping into him is not really sheer coincidence. I think Kishimoto (if he is the one who even writes those statements) purposefully kept it ambiguous, regardless. Kaguya might have been able to absorb the Susanoo, and Madara suggests he could have absorbed A's Lightning Armour, so I imagine Kisame could rip off the Susanoo under the right circumstances. Being ethereal does not stop absorption, as Tayuya's spirits are ghosts of absorption, or the Gedō Mazō's absorption chakra, or Gedō's regular absorption chains. Itachi does not need to kill any of the Akatsuki to be a detriment as he could spill all of their secrets and start working against them with some other organization, which is enough to make Obito wary of him, technically it applies to everyone, hence the reason they all travel in duos to prevent defection. Obito making an enemy of Itachi when he could instead use him as an asset and wait him out to die benefits him less if Itachi is not a real threat. Knowing Obito can teleport does not mean he knows the secrets of Kamui, shown by Kakashi not piecing it together until the war despite seeing it at work when Shino went at him. Konan nearly killed Obito despite being much weaker due to having more knowledge of Kamui (her knowledge of that did not "exist" yet when Sha no Sho was released, Itachi's ignorance was, so it likely was Kamui). If she also knew Izanagi she might have had another counter for that. It does not mean she is actually as strong, same applies to Itachi. Obito is arguably honourable as he spited Konan for her treachery, seemed to respect Kiame, and even if not, he had a utilitarian reason to string Itachi along as a pawn instead of just erasing him immediately.
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
Your arguments do be making me laugh sometimes
@___________0Z0X
@___________0Z0X 2 ай бұрын
I am just gonna comment about one of the dozen points you brought up. Kimimaru being brought back not deathly sick does not prove that edotensei cures illness. Instead, it is much more plausible that kabuto had some of his cells that were healthy. The main evidence that supports this is the fact that kabuto had Kimimaru’s cells grafted onto himself and there is no mention of any illness. You brought up a lot of interesting arguments. Next time I recommend that you Break your comment up into different sections. Namely corrections and arguments.
@Arcadia_warlic
@Arcadia_warlic 2 ай бұрын
@@___________0Z0X Having his healthy cells is a moot point since the blood is merely the means to facilitate the contract. The actual summoning binds the soul to a host which returns the body as they were when they died. I doubt Kabuto collected Nagato's blood from exactly when he died, for example.
@rbo7
@rbo7 2 ай бұрын
Kakashi relative to Kakuzu? No one blitzed Kakashi like Itachi did? You gotta reread that fight. Not only did Kakuzu thoroughly beat kakashi, he did so 2 times. And Kakashi was saved both times. once was a partial blitz and the other was a total blitz of 3 people, Kakashi included, simultaneously, even though he was right in front of him. Neither one took more than 2 moves. No one dominated Kakashi like Kakuzu did. Itachi still wins, but Kakuzu certainly is not in the low tier of Akatsuki. Kishimoto planned for him to dojo storm the leaf for fucks sake. Don't be a hater, bro. great video, tho. except for the Kakuzu and Pain slander.
@Jiraya-S_26
@Jiraya-S_26 2 ай бұрын
For those who think itachi can defeat obito, u are dreaming So wake up to reality
@pablocasas5941
@pablocasas5941 2 ай бұрын
What? Izanami and RIP obito
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
Bro thinks he Madara
@pablocasas5941
@pablocasas5941 2 ай бұрын
@@Virhtue and? Izanami still working
@397llederson6
@397llederson6 2 ай бұрын
3:49 1 we don't actually see if he blocked it with v1 or v2. 2. The fact that he was borderline dead and his outfit was completely disentegrated i am not sure if its quite tanking or just barely surviving
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
On the basis he returns in v1 and claims that’s what stopped it it’s prolly v1
@397llederson6
@397llederson6 2 ай бұрын
@@Virhtue 1 Well he activates it 2 It didn't stop it though more slowed it down
@397llederson6
@397llederson6 2 ай бұрын
@@Virhtue It doesn't help that Sasuke thought he needed that jutsu power to murder him
@austinbrianbowers
@austinbrianbowers 2 ай бұрын
Was the statement about sasuke being superior to the akatsuki a datebook reference? I miss out on a ton of canonical facts not having any smh
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, it’s is the third databook
@mcgryko
@mcgryko 2 ай бұрын
Itachi didnt "tank" the Kirin. We cant see exactly what happened but we know that it hit him in some capacity because it blew his clothes off and burned his skin and he outright says it was his susanoo that that saved him otherwise he would surely be dead from that attack. I getthat youre syaing he tanked it via the susanoo but obviously some damage went through the thing. I also dont think Itachi was 100% holding back on every aspect of that fight..like did he hold out a bit? sure but that whole narrative of he completely held back just invalidates ANY of Sasukes feats in that fight and i do not think that was the intended way to view the fight. If Itachis goal was to test Sasukes abilities to take care of himself youre not going to get a fair assessment by completely holding back (i understand the secondary goal of the fight was to remove the seal) I am pretty sure that Sasuke legitimately busted that Tsukuyomi, with a base sharingan - and Zetsus dialogue about the rock and kunai throwing thing basically confirms that Sasuke is simply a superior Sharingan user, The rigged shuriken - i dont see why Itachi would just allow that , makes no sense.. yes he was able to percieve it but we have seen Sharingan users before be able to percieve things and not react to it (sasuke vs naruto) like he was mid air and Itachi is displayed witha thought bubble on the panel which means hes obviously talking to himself - or us the reader and not sasuke so why would he lie about that to himself? makes no sense.. Sasuke caught him lacking with that rigged shuriken for sure. and no matter what anybody says or feels the fact is this - that Kirin was the death of Itachi , he was cornered.. his only options were A. take the hit and die or B. put up the susanoo and burn the rest of his chakra to live a bit longer.. but in either of those scenarios it ends with Itachi dying. So i would say flat out the Kirin is the reason Itachi died I think the whole "holding back" thing gets misrepresented. Like if Itachi just busted out the fuckin susanoo as soon as Sasuke walked in and totsuk abladed him then ya he would have neg diffed Sasuke but he wasnt going to do that , yes he held out on usig certain abilities but he still used shit the tsukuiyomi and amaterasu on sasuke and i dont think id call that holding back because Sasuke again, broke the tsukuyomi and Sasuke also slipped from that Amaterasu with the snake skin shedding jutsu thing...Itachi didnt "let" Sasuke break tsukuyomi or allow sasuke to slip through that crack to get the amaterasu off himself. the Sasuke downplay is just crazy as hell by the fandom for this fight and thats only because its Itachi who is extremely overhyped. People say Itachi straight washed Kakashi and its like bruh did you veven read the fight? Kakashi was a step ahead of Itachi the entire time until Itachi busted out the tsukuyomi which nobody knew wtf that was or even existed, kakashi wouldnt have tried to tank that shit. and in the 2nd fight Kakashi also tricked Itachi into using Tsukuyomi on a mud clone - 30% itachi clone or not he was outsmarted on both occasions by Kakashi .. like the meat riding is crazy for Itachi. IDK if its canon or not but when Itachi and Juzo fought the mizukage Itachi was literally about to die if juzo didnt sacrifice himself - and itachis amaterasu didnt kill kagura nor did itachi capture him, he ran.. like buddy has taken some L's lets stop the bullshit. he wasnt all that cracked. but fr soem of yall really need to go re-read kakashi vs itachi 1 ..kakashi knew which clone was the exploding one while itachi did not know which clone was the water clone but i get it..everyones just gonna say oh he probably planned that and it was all an act - im not even sure if that point in the series kishimoto knew how he was going to write itachiso im taking that fight at face value and ya it wasnt no straight up stomp down on kakashi
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
These are some funny points I’ll give you that
@commonsense9076
@commonsense9076 2 ай бұрын
Obito stomps, Pain mops not even close 😂😂
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
Out here just lying
@Jusaguywithbrain
@Jusaguywithbrain 2 ай бұрын
​​@@Virhtuechibaku tensei eats Itachi "well beads" yeah those fodder beads which tore through tsunade's clothes when used by madara infinite tsukuyomi doesn't work on rinnegan and if you argue genjutsu works then nth happens cuz hebi sasuke broke out of it "he let him get out" nope the databook says otherwise itachi fans "well amatherasu" preta path Deva path and no amatherasu is NOT stronger than rasenshuriken amatherasu keeps burning which is why it killed the dog "Itachi blitzed nagato" yeah when kabuto controlled him and kabuto didn't know about nagato's sensory capabilities shinra tensei stops all ninjutsu he can pull Itachi out of susano using banshou tenin or absorb the susano using preta path and yata mirror ain't omnidirectional also it can't block chibaku tensei cuz it pulls u sure peak Itachi is above pain but nagato is above peak Itachi
@8ferarry8
@8ferarry8 Ай бұрын
Also, wait, how did you go through the Deidara fight without addressing C4? Thats the most busted jutsu in Deidaras arsenal and we just ignore it? Does Susano have an air filter? How does Itachi counter C4? Sure he is generaly much stronger than Deidara, but you cant just name Itachis best hacks and not Deidaras.
@lorj6360
@lorj6360 2 ай бұрын
Funny how Itachi is either super overplayed or underplayed within the fandom. Glad you can put the facts straight!
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
You already know!!
@manny9191
@manny9191 2 ай бұрын
Good vid, was entertaining to watch. Honestly against pain i think its 60/40 to itachi, pain has many chances to kill itachi, but it also goes the other way round, Itachi has an advantage because he knows of most of pains abilities and capabilities as he was gaining intel on them. best example was how he countered nagato without intel, i mean if theres the statement that if Jiraya knew pains abilities he would have won, well itachi is stronger than Jiraya so wouldnt he have a good chance. Also Itachi knows about nagato so will send a clone to look for him and i believe a clone is enough for konan. For obito, i think he recognises itachis strength, but also he knows damn well that Obito has an end plan to achieve, whilst itachi will happily die if it means dragging obito with him, or making sure Obito will recieve long lasting damage lol. Also as a randon side note, didnt itachi perception blitz kcm naruto when he went in the air and naruto didn't notice?? :0
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
Itachi a goat
@Lorenzoh_Victor
@Lorenzoh_Victor 2 ай бұрын
itachi didnt blitz nagao at any point
@TheDarthgrant
@TheDarthgrant 2 ай бұрын
Characterizing Itachi as “Holding Back” KCM Naruto isn’t how I would present that squirmish. Itachi was the aggressor in that confrontation. It would actually be more impressive for KCM Naruto to be holding his own vs Itachi in that situation. 29:23
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
Itachi wasn’t the aggressor, both were talking and Itachi was suppressed
@bavarian995
@bavarian995 2 ай бұрын
Where is it stated that the mangekyo gives more Chakra?
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
Implies based on the evolution and how the three tomoe already grants more access to your pool
@bavarian995
@bavarian995 2 ай бұрын
@@Virhtue imo I don't think that's true. It's stated that the evolution of the sharingan enhances the chakra quality basically. And not only necessary evolution of the sharingan, but also using it and becoming more proficient (tobirama mentions something similar) and Karin also mentions how Sasuke's Chakra felt colder and "denser" after using his EMS. it's stated multiple times how some people have "stronger" chakra them others, but that doesn't necessarily mean more
@Spurgte
@Spurgte 2 ай бұрын
​@bavarian9956 i agree, they get really half assed about how chakra works during the latter half of shippuden; i think the system begins to collapse from within
@217superninja
@217superninja 2 ай бұрын
Itachi merks everyone except for Pain and Obito but loses to both.
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
I can respect this
@LawAdNauseam
@LawAdNauseam 2 ай бұрын
Itachi loses to kisame💀
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
No he doesn’t💀💀
@antidepressantscale4675
@antidepressantscale4675 2 ай бұрын
You're trolling hard
@Just_Tet
@Just_Tet 2 ай бұрын
First off, fire ass video holy. Itachi being under EMS sasuke never really sat right with me. When sasuke gets to the war he’s pretty much KCM2 level, whether or not he’s below or not, he’s at that level. Just before that sasuke was fighting directly with Itachi and was kind of a step behind most the time. On top of that, Itachi is quite literally basically forcefully running a play. He’s not even really tryna fight, more less just set up a circumstance. Which everyone is aware of. But we also NEVER see itachi go full power. We don’t even see him use his other 2 nature releases which undoubtedly both boost his AP. Even just a basic wind style with his fire style (which is already boasted as the hottest) would amp it a ton. Which he could also use to speed up the spread of his Amaterasu. In a pseudo flame control kinda way. Anyway, short rant my bad, EMS sasuke is compared to whichever version of itachi u want to use, but again, itachi was always held back. Feats beat narratives. And it’s also no doubt at this point that itachi still has better IQ and BIQ than sasuke. So idk it’s always hard for me to agree with sasuke surpassing him. Also, idk if anyone has ever talked about this, but do u think that the stronger the eyes of an uchiha, the stronger the EMS? So what I mean is, since itachi peaked his 3 tomoe and MS, would that make sasukes EMS stronger, rather if itachi had a fresh MS and not peaked 3 tomoe? Would make sense to me but they never really say
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@G.LD.
@G.LD. Ай бұрын
Konan is actually stronger than sasori and deidara
@rrrrr.55555
@rrrrr.55555 2 ай бұрын
High cope when saying Obito's quotet that he would be dead doesn't mean that Itachi would've killed Obito. EDIT: nvm. just finished that section, you said Obito wins 7 out 10 times because you acknowledged the quote, you just didn't know how Itachi wins, which is fair (maybe with Shisui's eye?). You beat the "coping" allegations lol
@jason15212
@jason15212 2 ай бұрын
I think Itachi is just flat out superior by a large margin to Hidan Konan Zetsu Sasori Kakuzu Deidara . Kisame and Orochimaru to a lesser to degree I think they actually fought Itachi would have to try but only mid difficulty. I think Itachi beats Pain but loses to Nagato and Obito with extremely high difficulty.
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
What a w opinion
@Ishallreignsupreme
@Ishallreignsupreme 2 ай бұрын
Large margin is bit stretch
@TheAwsomeManny
@TheAwsomeManny Ай бұрын
Doesn’t totsuka blade just one shot if it lands?
@jessefee4814
@jessefee4814 4 күн бұрын
Yes because a single cut of the sword seals you
@morgatron8697
@morgatron8697 2 ай бұрын
Dude wtf are you on about 🤣 this is such a damn stretch and not at all what the AUTHOR intended to be portrayed. You’ve become the Loko of Naruto scaling
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
Your an idiot “you’ve become the loko of Naruto scaling” bitch loko makes Naruto vids and he a smart guy, you can’t talk down a single point I made.
@myrongainesthegoat
@myrongainesthegoat 2 ай бұрын
​@@Virhtueloko is smart ? what next,noodles is smart ? you are just biased and disingenuous and it shows on how you respond to comments that disprove the bs u spewed in this vid
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
@@myrongainesthegoat both are good at arguing points, don’t you dare spit this bs at me or bias. I’m the most consistent creator with how open I am on my arguments and how I they develop and why. You could touch my arguments much less debunk them, so don’t go shitting on either of them in my space but go say it to Loko or Noodles himself. Me and Loko are aware we disagree on many many grounds yet get along, that’s what this space is about, stop being weird. It’s anime💀
@myrongainesthegoat
@myrongainesthegoat 2 ай бұрын
@@Virhtue so you are also delusional not just biased
@GooberGoofy-lj5yd
@GooberGoofy-lj5yd 2 ай бұрын
Bro was so unimaginably cracked that he got ninja aids and even long after that he still dominated his fights.
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
Had to get nerf-ed somehow
@___________0Z0X
@___________0Z0X 2 ай бұрын
It's like 3 AM.😂
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
That’s crazy
@___________0Z0X
@___________0Z0X 2 ай бұрын
The real Homies who watched till the end will get it lol.
@GiLdMars
@GiLdMars 9 күн бұрын
Konan being bottom tier is insane
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 8 күн бұрын
Why
@GiLdMars
@GiLdMars 8 күн бұрын
@@Virhtue she woukdve killed obito if it wasn’t for the izanagi
@serendipitouscomet
@serendipitouscomet 2 күн бұрын
I wouldn't put Kakuzu or Deidara in the low tier.
@YungKonquera
@YungKonquera 9 күн бұрын
Hiv dont make you bleed from the mouth nor other symptoms that itachi had. Wtf r u talking about?
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 8 күн бұрын
Brother that’s from what he caught
@Lugetbucks
@Lugetbucks 2 ай бұрын
Sick Itachi Has More Chakra Then Hebi Curse Mark Sasuke.. let that sink in.
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
I know, deadass beat him in a stamina battle but people just forget and act like Sasuke whooped on fatigued Itachi when Sasuke was the one dropping to his knees
@billybob4532
@billybob4532 2 ай бұрын
"under Sannin tier" Didn't you say Kakuzu beats Orochimaru and maybe Kisame in your Akatsuki ranking video?
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
I did, that way pushing a year ago tho
@Ishallreignsupreme
@Ishallreignsupreme 2 ай бұрын
Genjutsu shouldn’t work on Sasori, as it effects the cranial nerve, which Sasori doesn’t have. Now whether Kishi would actually stay consistent with this, in real fight idk, but theoretically Sasori is immune. If Genjutsu doesn’t work, Itachi will likely need Susanoo and Amaterasu just to bust Hiroku, after that it really depends on how Sasori chooses to fight; if he use Iron-Sand to cover himself in a defensive shield, there isn’t much Itachi can do as he can’t get though IS. Also if this is Sick Itachi, he will quickly not have the reflexes to evade Sasori’s traps as he had trouble evading a basic Shuriken trap form Sasuke after using Mangekyo once, and all Sasori needs is a scratch Or Itachi sniffing the poison gas, IS can also bypass Susanoo by targeting underneath it. So if Sasori is smart he is horrendous match for Itachi and should win. If he doesn’t fight smart he could loose it Amaterasu or Totosuka to the heart canister
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
Agreed that’s why think he does have a good stylistic matchup but just gets gapped in physicals
@___________0Z0X
@___________0Z0X 2 ай бұрын
I love your videos man, and I've been enjoying this one. But I had to stop watching to comment real quick. I like our explosion Artist terrorist quite a bit and agree that he is underrated. However, the evidence you presented to show that he is in another league then Sasori doesn't really hold water. Firstly, Orochimaru was just trying to rile up Naruto. Orochimaru was a villain who enjoyed torturing people. It makes much more sense for him to say anything to psychologically torment his opponents then actually tell the truth. If we heard his inner thoughts then there would be something here, but as it stands we can't assert anything one way or another. Secondly, the Sakura point. Sakura was suffering from the poison of the ninetails chakra. Not to mention that her and Naruto were mental nerfed. It is disingenuous to compare her to the version that fought Sasori. Now this doesn't mean that Sasuke wasn’t stronger than them, he totally was. In fact, he beat his aktsuki member by himself while Sakura and Naruto needed a lot of help with their fights. So basically, it's incorrect to assert that Deitara is in another league than his partner. It is fair to say that he is stronger, but the two of them seem to be quite relative, and I quite like that. Every other duo has a pretty large gap in power with their partners.
@Ishallreignsupreme
@Ishallreignsupreme 2 ай бұрын
Deidara stronger than sasori ?
@___________0Z0X
@___________0Z0X 2 ай бұрын
@@Ishallreignsupreme I'm not even saying that that's incorrect lol.
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
I ofc disagree with some points but thanks for the support
@100TypeYolt
@100TypeYolt 2 ай бұрын
Really well done bro!! Narrative implications gonna have everyone crying but you CAN legitimately interpret the hierarchy of the top 3 ambiguously at the very least. If you can do that then certainly there are interpretations that imply relativity between the 3. Placing itachi below pain and obito outright is too low resolution imo Personally ive always leaned towards itachi edging pain high diff. Obito definitely didnt want to fight Itachi, He paid plenty of lip service to that in his thoughts and showed it in his courses of action… Good job again on building the case for itachi! 👊🏼👊🏼
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
Gotchu, coming through with the Itachi agenda
@100TypeYolt
@100TypeYolt 2 ай бұрын
@@Virhtue 😂😂
@qtindavis433
@qtindavis433 2 ай бұрын
good job. itachi gets wanked and down played at the same damn time. just like madara​@@Virhtue
@ManhwaToonn
@ManhwaToonn 2 ай бұрын
I’m really just curious about how a pain vs itachi would be
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
Watch my vid?!
@ManhwaToonn
@ManhwaToonn 2 ай бұрын
@@Virhtue lmaooooo I did
@remington_acr1651
@remington_acr1651 2 ай бұрын
Before I say give my initial thoughts on Itachi vs Obito I’d like to say that I agree with Itachi winning 3, maybe 4 times outta 10. He definitely can defeat Obito but he’d have to work for it for sure. One thing that people don’t consider when talking about Itachi vs Obito is that Obito despite what he has in his arsenal is a very one dimensional fighter who relies heavily on kamui. Now whether this is bad writing or what not isn’t the point. That alone is not enough to realistically defeat the likes of Itachi, who’s already observant and slippery as is. If far less intelligent characters can deduce how kamui works after seeing it once or twice then Itachi certainly can do the same and likely will. And when you factor in just how versatile Itachi’s own arsenal is, it’s not a stretch to say that he can catch Obito off guard with one of his one shot abilities but I digress. As overrated as Itachi can be, I don’t think people give him enough credit when it comes to matching up against Obito.
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
Itachi v Obito is pretty interesting
@Egomunkey
@Egomunkey 2 ай бұрын
The real question is how did itachi get aids
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
Deadass prolly born with it
@billybob4532
@billybob4532 2 ай бұрын
Do a video on why Hebi Sasuke stomps War Arc Sage Mode Naruto
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
And lie?!?!
@billybob4532
@billybob4532 2 ай бұрын
@@Virhtue Why would you lie?
@danieladolphe2227
@danieladolphe2227 2 ай бұрын
itachi probably only didn’t go after Obito because he probably Obito had a perfect Susanno
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
Ahh, yeah
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
You don’t need two for the Susanoo, Itachi and madara use it blind and Madara uses it with no eyes
@christopherdarlington2846
@christopherdarlington2846 2 ай бұрын
vhirtue all your opinions are valid sick itachi beats pain but may die due to exhaustion. alive pain vs itachi ,the best outcome for pain is dead, Regarding obito for me its a draw but 6/10 times obito wins , itachi can perform both izanagi and izanami. and dats how he breaks out of chibaku tensei. my reason why I think obito wins against itachi is because itachi seems to think if he gets ems he will surpass obito and lead the uchiha , in the fight vs sasuke , but obitos only win con is kamui and it may be a a shadow explosive clone ,its itachi tbh and he is the guy who is best in figuring out kamui and obito observing him knows that this guy has shisuis eye and more tricks up his sleeve like spirit weapons thats wh he doesnt underestimate itachi , Also vhirtue strongest does not mean u will win in a fight, to me it meant hitting power or physical strength and for me it was a reference to pain he is the strongest in the akatsuki but will not win in a 1v1 vs obito or itachi
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
Yeah in Naruto generally strength is overall physical ability such as Naruto noting lees gotten faster and notes he truly is strong
@Corncake1337
@Corncake1337 2 ай бұрын
W
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
Always
@vysenpai
@vysenpai 2 ай бұрын
Cook!! 🔥
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
You already know what’s up
@talesthesalesman3106
@talesthesalesman3106 2 ай бұрын
Itachi knew zetsu was watching his fight with Sasuke
@Ishallreignsupreme
@Ishallreignsupreme 2 ай бұрын
Proof ?
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
And?
@talesthesalesman3106
@talesthesalesman3106 2 ай бұрын
Itachi would have dwindled Obitos manpower, if not out right kill him (he needed izanagi to survive amaterasu). With a few fell swoops from sword of totsuka, Obito would have been hard pressed to replace multiple Akatsuki members
@empiresoldier1
@empiresoldier1 2 ай бұрын
The paths of pain would be a bit much for itachi. Konan can push itachi, she gets such a bad rep. We only see her go against jariya and obito...two of the strongest characters and even pain said that jariya could have won if he knew how pain worked.
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
These do not equate to
@newaceoftheuniverse5948
@newaceoftheuniverse5948 2 ай бұрын
Now do hokage minato vs the akatsuki
@user-qs4pe3qc8e
@user-qs4pe3qc8e 2 ай бұрын
Beats hidan, konan, maybe beats sasori and deidara
@newaceoftheuniverse5948
@newaceoftheuniverse5948 2 ай бұрын
@@user-qs4pe3qc8e WHAT? who do you think minato is he's not jiraya level 😂
@thmistrapillay1811
@thmistrapillay1811 2 ай бұрын
minato makes it to Sasori or Deidara, both fights will be tough Sasori's 100 poisonous puppets will be _extremely_ difficult to maneuver around with ftg And Deidara bombing minato from the sky will just constantly destroy all ftg kunai and seals minato places around the battlefield
@NarutosRasengan5
@NarutosRasengan5 2 ай бұрын
⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@user-qs4pe3qc8ebuddy you forgot Itachi…Obito…Kakuzu…Pain… lmfaoao Hokage minato would solo every akatsuki member in a 1v1…had minato lived the story would’ve ended the same night Obito attacked😂
@user-qs4pe3qc8e
@user-qs4pe3qc8e 2 ай бұрын
@@newaceoftheuniverse5948 Yeah,you’re right,Minato is above jiraya, and jiraya only beats hidan and konan 💪
@jason15212
@jason15212 2 ай бұрын
Itachi perception blitz kakashi in that shippuden scuffle??? The fear hax by Orochimaru was also a much weaker and nerfed Kakashi. Not saying he was stronger than either of them in early shippuden but maybe I don’t know what perception blitz is
@manny9191
@manny9191 2 ай бұрын
perception blitz is when you look at them and then they are now behind you or just gone in general and you couldnt percieve it. thus perception blitz. faster than their eye can see.
@jason15212
@jason15212 2 ай бұрын
@@manny9191 so when did that happen in the scuffle they had in shippuden? Unless virtue misspoke and meant Itachi did it vs Kakashi in part 1 because that I think I can remember
@manny9191
@manny9191 2 ай бұрын
@jason15212 i cant remember off the top of my head lol, i was just explaining perception blitz. But im sure he has. He definitely perception blitzed kcm naruto when nagato had to tell naruto to look up
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
He never perception blitzed him in the Shippuden scuffle just the part one scuffle
@frankunodostres473
@frankunodostres473 2 ай бұрын
with all the info presented, I think it is pretty clear that itachi pre-sasuke fight (aka "alive") would beat akatsuki tobi. without rinnegan of course... the only part I heavily disagree with is putting konan in low tier with the zombie bros. I mean she should be atleast in mid tier
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
Why so?
@frankunodostres473
@frankunodostres473 2 ай бұрын
@@Virhtue konan almost won (some would argue she actually would've won without bs) against obito. that alone puts her a level above low tier imo. she should be in the same ballpark as deidara
@diamantemrobinson
@diamantemrobinson 2 ай бұрын
I feel like this can stigmatize HIV. Aids is autoimmune disorder. HIV is a virus that can lead to the condition but there are multiple causes of AIDs such as cancer, radiation, or simply being born with the condition. Itachi could clear the Akatsuki it's only debatal with Obito and Pain. However he scales to Nagato so Pain should handly lose.
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
Nobody brings this up
@diamantemrobinson
@diamantemrobinson 2 ай бұрын
@@Virhtue yeah ik bro most people aren't educated on the subject.
@397llederson6
@397llederson6 2 ай бұрын
10:12 Not sure if its a blitz difference plus Naruto is kind of progressively getting weaker
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
I could see this to a degree
@DrNasrooo
@DrNasrooo 2 ай бұрын
This collective Konan downplay is getting out of hand
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
I call it, proper scaling
@DrNasrooo
@DrNasrooo 2 ай бұрын
@@Virhtue I prefer narrative
@Sk8bort_Tees
@Sk8bort_Tees 2 ай бұрын
This dude said Itachi has AIDS…
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
😭😭I mean….
@bigcarnotaurus8857
@bigcarnotaurus8857 2 ай бұрын
dude struggles against sasori
@rabidcanine
@rabidcanine 2 ай бұрын
L Take
@poodie3887
@poodie3887 2 ай бұрын
Sasori gets perception blitzed
@Ishallreignsupreme
@Ishallreignsupreme 2 ай бұрын
Sasori has a lot of advantages against Itachi.
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
Bro… we aren’t reading the same manga
@rabidcanine
@rabidcanine 2 ай бұрын
@@Ishallreignsupreme Yeah Itachi demon stakes him and he loses
@3rdEyeLyoto
@3rdEyeLyoto 2 ай бұрын
Wait sasori/deidara stronger than kakuzu?
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
Yeah!
@atcandotherthings4985
@atcandotherthings4985 2 ай бұрын
13 year old obito took on and pressed prime alive Minato ! He would clap itachi or trap him in kamui and leave him there
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
So fun fact, if you use the Databooks and graduation ages, Obito should be 17 against Minato and the fourth Databook ends up forgetting how Kakashi is four years younger than Obito, something interesting🔥
@atcandotherthings4985
@atcandotherthings4985 2 ай бұрын
@@Virhtue so he’s 35 during the 4th great ninja war !?? Still impressive vs a prime alive Minato
@397llederson6
@397llederson6 2 ай бұрын
1:24 Not sure how that's valid.
@Radical_racist
@Radical_racist 2 ай бұрын
U didnt do madara
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
Because who actually puts him in the list😭
@Radical_racist
@Radical_racist 2 ай бұрын
@@Virhtue scared😭
@NarutoJK-jh7tr
@NarutoJK-jh7tr 2 ай бұрын
Greatest takeaway from itachi immaculate character is to wear protection
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
Love this💀
@funkyghost4771
@funkyghost4771 2 ай бұрын
hot take but pain and itatchi scale above orange mask obito. his best feats are from the 5 kage summit (which really isnt that impressive and could have been done easily by both pain and itatchi) as well as his white mask feats which just consist of him losing to minato and getting a single hype statement. Considering the leaf village as a whole thought FUGAKU UCHIHA could have put the 9 tails under a genjutsu i dont feel that feat is very credible either. this isnt to say obito isnt one of the strongest in the verse but he is more of a cunning manipulator than a power house like itatchi or pain.
@poodie3887
@poodie3887 2 ай бұрын
Well you’re just flat out wrong
@funkyghost4771
@funkyghost4771 2 ай бұрын
@@poodie3887thank you for the explanation and evidence
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
They also were pretty bias, such as Yashiro
@davidmcgee9792
@davidmcgee9792 2 ай бұрын
I like this guy but once he starts talking medical shit, he loses me. I’m a doctor in training and this dude talking about MPA/aids bases one one symptom of bloody cough in a world where people basically use magic. Don’t get me wrong I watch every video but many things could explain his symptoms
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
No, I glossed over it noting how I’ve discussed it before and when I did last I pointed people to New Horizons video on this topic where is much more in depth, one I agree with and use the conclusion for
@jason15212
@jason15212 2 ай бұрын
In my head the tiers are : Top : Obito Itachi Nagato High middle: Orochimaru Kisame Middle : Deidara Kakuzu Sasori Low: Hidan Konan Zetsu
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
Crazy
@artistaroundtheblock2047
@artistaroundtheblock2047 2 ай бұрын
Is that in any order?
@jason15212
@jason15212 2 ай бұрын
@@artistaroundtheblock2047 Nah just the tiers. If I put it order imo it’s this: Obito Nagato/Itachi Itachi/Nagato Orochimaru Kisame Deidara Kakuzu Sasori Konan Hidan Zetsu
@WarGodManDog
@WarGodManDog 2 ай бұрын
Sick, he cant beat sasori, he would get overwhelmed by puppets. I also cant see Hiruko being caught in genjutsu being the end all be all. Sasori is number 3 after obito and pein.
@cipherkingomer
@cipherkingomer 2 ай бұрын
No he is not. I love Sasori but he is not stronger than Kisame and is debatable on if he is stronger than Deidara.
@WarGodManDog
@WarGodManDog 2 ай бұрын
@@cipherkingomer My bad I forgot about Kisame lol.. it's like rock paper scissors. Itachi beats Kisame, Kisame beats Sasori, Sasori beats Itachi, then Itachi beats Kisame.
@colinmx.
@colinmx. 2 ай бұрын
This video shouldnt be more than 5-10 mins long
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
You don’t understand content
@jason15212
@jason15212 2 ай бұрын
To be fair to kakuzu pain was also caught off guard by Choji and Choza wrapping those chains around him. That would never happen to Itachi tho😭🤣
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
Agreed😭😭
@Jusaguywithbrain
@Jusaguywithbrain 2 ай бұрын
Cope Itachi has no sensory capabilities
@jason15212
@jason15212 2 ай бұрын
@@Jusaguywithbrain I don’t care that much at all about Itachi my guy
@Jusaguywithbrain
@Jusaguywithbrain 2 ай бұрын
@@jason15212 that called coping I've elaborated in so many reply sections lmao but they'll still sope
@jason15212
@jason15212 2 ай бұрын
@@Jusaguywithbrain Anybody who has seen me in these comments knows I’m not a huge fan of him. It ain’t that deep up.
@JohnnyX225
@JohnnyX225 2 ай бұрын
It’s funny that Itachi Reallly is the strongest in the akatski & people try to say pain will beat itachi when obito punks pain & fears tach😂😂😂😂😂
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
I mean…true
@myrongainesthegoat
@myrongainesthegoat 2 ай бұрын
its funny how much u downplay obito and pain and say itachi is stronger just because u like him more
@JohnnyX225
@JohnnyX225 2 ай бұрын
@@myrongainesthegoat What makes u think I don’t like pain? Obito sucks but I’m not bias towards any it’s just obvious itachi stomps pain & kills obito, I’m not downplaying anything.
@myrongainesthegoat
@myrongainesthegoat 2 ай бұрын
@@JohnnyX225 watching the show and saying itachi is the stongest in the akatsuki is like the biggest delusion ever,it's like me saying choji is stronger than naruto and sasuke
@397llederson6
@397llederson6 2 ай бұрын
3:56 The Raikage could just be not far off Kirin
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
It’s entirely unprovable
@397llederson6
@397llederson6 2 ай бұрын
@@Virhtue He does scale to a full 8 tails at full power but he would still not be far from bijuu at v1
@Professor_Fiction
@Professor_Fiction 2 ай бұрын
As expected Goatbito wins
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
Is a goat indeed
@billybob4532
@billybob4532 2 ай бұрын
Obito over Itachi is crazy, Fodderbito glazers are getting out of hand
@myrongainesthegoat
@myrongainesthegoat 2 ай бұрын
​@@billybob4532did u watch the series blindfolded ?
@thmistrapillay1811
@thmistrapillay1811 2 ай бұрын
Itachi claps everyone Thank you for coming to my TedTalk
@claudec3695
@claudec3695 2 ай бұрын
Obito abuses him
@EternalWanderer657
@EternalWanderer657 2 ай бұрын
Kid really thinks Obito knows 0 about Itachi's abilities yet, he knows what Amaterasu is 💀💀💀💀💀
@adel93038
@adel93038 2 ай бұрын
Good work for the editing and audio Itachi presentation : 4:27 He maintained it for what, 5 min ? You can clearly see it drains him alot of chakra 4:36-4:47 Yikes, what a way of thinking. A "graph" doesn't work like that 6:46 For the disease its mainly headcanon, we have no intel about it and you're not a doctor aswell. He said aids.... 7:31 Itachi rain level, he stand no chance vs Pain 18:46 Hell nah, first of all your point is oriented to a disease you're unaware of, second, edo itachi doesn't have blood. All the time he's been hit, only paper appeared. The only Edo Tensei who didnt show only paper when damaged is Kakuzu with his strings. So no, it doesn" support what you said at all. The only reason why ET Itachi is so formidable is bcs his illness is finally cured. 9:37 Yeah peak Itachi ~ beginning EMS Sasuke, I agree, not the sick version tho 10:14 Difference between sneak attack and a blitz, pls D: Low tier : 11:21 Rival ? o_O Well I don't know how Kakashi would have done even to defeat Hidan at that time, he can but wont be easy at all. Hidan can tank anything he has, they are relative in combat speed. But yeah let's say " rival " for Hidan even tho Kakashi would outsmart him. For Kakuzu, manga or anime he was always shown to be above him. They fought once in the manga and Kakashi was defeated in 2 pages, 2 !! If you want to use anime to scale them, first of Kakuzu has the upper hand : He disarm a 3 tomoe sharingan user in close combat, he made Kakashi fall bcs of a high kick, he throw him away 3 times, Kakashi had to open the first gate ( rock lee move ) vs a kakuzu water clone = 10% of chakra from Kakuzu. If you use both anime or manga, it's one sided, Kakuzu dominates him with few efforts. And Konan is basically a counter to Kakashi aswell. 11:34 Not that long, barely a minute. Would have used Kamui if reinforcements wasn't there.... 11:41 You have to explain to me when Itachi perception blitz this Kakashi cause i have noclue and you dont say it 12:08 Edo Itachi yes, not alive. 13:57 That's hilarious bcs Deidara dodged it... and you consider him as a low tier so this point doesnt make any sense 14:09 Oh god, Sakura doesnt scale to Sasori, Chiyo manipulated her to not be overwhelm. Sakura would have died twice or 3 time vs close attacks, if she was relative it wouldnt have happend so many times. The only moment she was relative was at the beginning of the 100 puppets bcs more he have, less he is efficient... Naruto would have never defeated Kakuzu at that time by himself, that's why he was rescued...Plus it's not the same naruto vs hebi sasuke since he gained 20 years of training + was slightly kyubi amped. Well he can think he can't beat Sasuke by himself, he would have not defeated Kakuzu by himself aswell lol since he got helped and kakuzu was weakened. Never understood that weird argument, it's so... low 14:39 Agree for Hidan, he most likely get hit by amatearasu. For Kakuzu or Konan I don't agree, they are fast individual, they can both " dismember " themselves or block with strings/paper. Kakuzu can throw the amaterasu back to Itachi with his wind style or block the technique with earth or any other element, so it doesnt go to him. The battle vs those 2 isn't that braindamaged 15:00 I deceive you but yes, Kakuzu's fire can clearly outmatch the Itachi's fireball, one is comparable to a portion of a large forest and the other one to a individual human being. " But but the anniversary thingy said it's hotter ", the size gap between those too, the destructive power aswell is so significant that it wont change a clue. Amatearasu should stop it tho but would be a waste of chakra. For the Tsukoyomi I agree, if he can use it vs Kakuzu ( veteran warrior btw ) it would work but the hearts would still remain since they are independant and remember what happend when Itachi used for he first time this genjutsu vs Sasuke ? He kneeled to the floor bcs it hurt his sight/eye, the fight still remains and Kakuzu isn't even dead yet, just under genjutsu from your scenario. How you want to visual genjutsu something without eyes ? Doesnt make any sense, the only time ( i know ) itachi genjutsu an unalived being is from a filler ( mecha naruto ) but thats not canon except if your scenario from the novel you dont explain works. Explain how Itachi " piece them up easily " tho, they all can fly ( manga and anime ), how he reach them ? Shuriken wont work, they survived Choji's giant attack. How would he attack when he's being attacked ? Will he launch Amaterasu while it can be thrown back at him via wind heart ? The fight isn't that easy, Kakuzu is a big counter to Itachi. Can tank anything he has ( diamond morph or block with strings ), out stamina him, outlives him, can do surprise underground attack ( even Madara was caught by surprise ), out range him too, all genjutsu wont work BESIDES Koto and Tsuko. Basic genjutsu wont work bcs the heart will simply wake him up and have 5 different chakra system in his body... Genjutsu works through disrupting the chakra network, my boy have 5 and he cant genjutsu the hearts. 15:35 The argument doesnt work bcs Kakuzu have to go to the beach area wich is really far away from ET Itachi and Nagato ( forest )... And he wasnt even late, your argument just support it 15:49 Lol its disingenuous bcs its Kakuzu and not a favorite character, we got it champ 15:56 Caught off guard ? So how did he react to move his head to the side ? You're the one disingenuous here ( god, that word is hard lmao ) 16:13 He doesnt care, he know they are fodder and wont do anything harmful to him. How I know that ? Oh wow Kakuzu's databook states he can deduct an opponent if they're strong or not 16:20 Oh wow Itachi did so well in the academy ( best feats i guess ? ) while Kakuzu canceled shikamaru's 2 week plan under few seconds 16:37 Implied when ? I don't even see sick Itachi defeat Konan, he has nothing and while he tries he will simply exhaust himself while Konan would never get hit. That's why you totally ignored the Konan vs Itacih section, you are naked. To resum the low tier : 😀: " Hey guys come on, you know ! Those are the low tiers " Yeah the argumentations is pretty poor Mid tier : 17:48 I was wondering why but you said Sakura is relative to Sasori lol... 18:07 Yikes, Sakura had Chiyo in order to SURVIVE vs Sasori and they wouldnt even be able to do so without antidotes... It's a different Naruto the one Hebi met and vs Kakuzu but whatever, you will just say " Im tripping " even tho its stated and shown. 18:57 That's an argument, could work even tho i dont see Deidara > sasori 20:15 What...? XD. So you're saying that Deidara is stronger than Sasori bcs he faces a Kazekage ? My boy, Sasori is the Kazekage slayer, he participated in 3 of their death out of 4. Doesn't make any sense 20:32 Yeah Deidara got stronger while Itachi got weaker bcs of his illnesss... or as you say " aids " 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. That part was hilarious ! 20:52 You have to explain how Itachi deals with long range attack since he doesnt have the same kit like hebi sasuke. To me the Deidara vs Itachi fight is a clock minute, one for the stamina cause he can only block until c2 with susano'o and the other one dont have infinite clay, the first who drop lost. 21:46 Even tho Deidara cant match sasuke's combat speed in close combat, he can still react wich is really good. 22:35 If he does that, Sasuke just leave man the battlefield, what's the point lol ? Vs flying ennemies its a good arguments not vs someone in the ground. Just like the akatsuchi moment... 23:47 Do you know the range of Tsukoyomi ? Pretty sure if enough distance, Deidara can react to amaterasu, his amaterasu is not that fast and Deidara is quite talented. Yeah Deidara should deal with basic genjutsu but not Tsuko 24:51 I'm curious to know where its stated that amaterasu cant be evaded since SO MUCH character did evade 25:28 Wtf is he saying 😂😂 after the doctor part, the math teacher. We dont know how much chakra it will cost to alive Itachi since this technique seems very powerfull, pretty sure it will drain him aswell bcs he have to use it while his susano'o is activated 25:55 Stop the cap we cant quantify how strong alone Yasaka magatama is and you compare it to a KCM RS and a TBB fully transformed. It's essentially those 2 who did the most destructive prowess vs the CT 26:27 Sasori stated he rippef off all his organs to be a puppet, the eyes are organs so.... visual genjutsu wownt be affective 26:48 Hilarious, cant dodge a fuma shuriken but will dodge the tons of poisonous needles or microscopical sand attacks ( wich are also poisonous ) but I'm disingenuous ( gosh its so hard to type ! ) since we talk about ITACHI THE GENIUS who died at 21. 27:00 Oh, OH THATS VERY LAME 🤣🤣. I thought you did the fight 1 by 1, but no ! You did Konan/Hidan/Kakuzu vs Itachi and now Deidara/Sasori vs Itachi at the same time, wow it's crazy. Alive Itachi wins almost all those singular fight ( besides hidan ) hard diff bcs he has to use MS for any of them or loses ! But im trippin obviously, Itachi is just him ig 27:16 Izanami wont work since... Sasori, stated by him, dont have any organs left so does the eyes Resume of Mid tier : I almost ragequitted bcs he said alive Itachi would beat Konan/Hidan/Sasori/Kakuzu and Deidara same time 🤣🤣 Oh nvm I did, it's disgusting ( no offense )
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
The way you formulate these arguments have me dead💀💀
@adel93038
@adel93038 2 ай бұрын
@@Virhtue Not worse than the aids part or to think alive Itachi an 5v1 half the akatsuki lol
@xrim1139
@xrim1139 2 ай бұрын
Nahhh bro c4 gg itachi has to breathe through the yata mirror deidara solos everyone in fiction he one shots goku and hajun times 100
@Virhtue
@Virhtue 2 ай бұрын
Why. The susanoo encapsulates around him, so he could just breathe and the whole point of the yata mirror and why I argue it’s omnidirectional is how on the basis there are attacks, by this point that come from all directions, c4, Haku’s senbon, etc, so the yata mirror just presupposes it self to be omnidirectional
@xrim1139
@xrim1139 2 ай бұрын
@@Virhtue yeah i know just joking around
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