Italy in WW2 were BONKERS - AS42/47

[@OddBawZ]

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[@christianchapin7413]

I only use your code now. Use to split between you and phly but he said back in a week and never came back like my dad. Enjoy the commissions. I know you work your a** off for us. Probably used your code 25 times by now. I have a problem.

[@vannlo355]

Could you make a video were you take the British .50 cal AA to itd limits? Its pretty scary at it's BR

[@TheArklyte]

@OddBawZ Answer on Italy's situation with low tier is pretty simple - Gaijin is inconsistent. They gave italians a 20mm round with 64mm penetration so vehicles with 20mm Scotti and Breda autocannons sat higher then ones with 47/32 guns. Then they decided to take away that round die to "historical inaccuracies"(who added it in the first place, huh?), cutting the penetration on those guns from 64mm to 44+mm akin to Hispano and "fixed" low BR by heavily uptiering vehicles with 47/32 and 47/40 guns. Guns which themselves are barely researched by Gaijin, but unsurprisingly into the opposite direction(47/40 gun has mentions of penetration numbers upwards of 100mm, which isn't surprising as it's a version of Bohler gun with drastically increased case length>propellant charge>velocity>kinetic energy, which makes it closer to 47mm czech and french AT guns, you'd find on Panzerjager I and Lorraine 37L). All in all it's a mess. But you've seen the better part of it. For worst? Go play M15/42:(

[@ImBosmann]

100th try, please play the T80 and T28e in the USSR 2.3br, they're great fun and you have never done a video on both tanks

[@derpyduck6974]

if u click the guy by the event tanks you can walk around

[@contra009]

Absolute mashed potato brains for that poor driver. RIP Giancarlo, you were never the same after the first shot

[@lapantony]

He can take it all with the power of his glorious moustache, outclassed only by the moustache of ASU-57 commander

[@diverr69]

Giancarlo? Like Gus Fring?

[@alphakevin687]

Really makes me think how many drivers came back changed men, just to beat up their kids and wife, introducing intergenerational trauma into a country for the next century.

[@seanzibonanzi64]

You have to keep in mind a lot of Italy's border is mountainous when you have a gander at their mad max WW2 vehicle lineup.

[@ratel832]

this, a lot of people shit on "weird" or "bad" vehicles but they don't know the circumstances the vehicles were built around

[@CyberneticArgumentCreator]

@@ratel832 "DoN't RuSsIaN eNgInEeRs KnOw HoW tO mAkE a GuN bArReL gO dOwN?"

[@ppchumanoid1289]

Also you have to factor for industrial limitations, they didn't need tank destroyers and when they were rolling off the assembly lines ww2 hadn't started or they were squaring off against tankettes and cavalry.

[@millerkriese3064]

both of these vehicles were designed for the desert - they were never intended to operate in mountains.

[@WoobooRidesAgain]

It's got little to do with doctrine and more to do with Italy's social and industrial situation at the time. Italy was still reeling from WW1, which had proved costly to both resources and manpower, and most of that manpower suffered from high illiteracy and a lack of skilled labor training and experience who mostly came from agrarian backgrounds outside of the major cities, not exactly the foundations for an effective workforce. On top of this, Italy also had a very limited automobile industry, which not only meant that there weren't many factories capable of producing military vehicles, but also not many workers who were experienced with creating cars and trucks, much less far more mechanically sophisticated and industry-intensive tanks. Add to that the fact that Italian industry was, in general, an absolute shambles - for instance the reason why the relatively new and small Breda-SAFAT company was responsible for most of Italy's machine gun production, and for some of the worst firearms produced during the war, was because a failed deal by Ferrari's weapons manufacturing division and a series of subsequent failed lawsuits saw Ferrari sell Breda their weapons division for peanuts out of sheer _spite_ - and you can see why they struggled so hard. All this is why so many Italian vehicles in WW2 are either extremely simple and small tracked vehicles, like the L3 tankette or the Semovente da 47/32, or guntrucks and armored cars. Italy simply didn't have the industry to fight a lengthy war. To their credit, Mussolini knew this, but was caught off guard in the middle of trying to yoink a couple of their old African holdings back when, in 1941, Hitler dragged Italy into a six-way global conflict.

[@HumphreyHorsehead]

The beauty of the AS-42/47 is the way it can get into unexpected spots quickly for solid flank ambush performance.

[@werk62]

Yeah, the gun isn't great head on but AS-42s are little gremlins that zip around the map and shoot you in the ass so it doesn't matter.

[@SeaRaven227]

Fun fact, the gun was called an Elefantino, t'was pretty much the main AT gun of the Italians and the vehicle had at least 2 other version, 1 with a central .50cal and 1 with only lmg's.

[@eventidessoul1963]

I dunno why but I kinda feel like odd would love the name elefantino.

[@whoknows8864]

For anyone wondering, the p-400 that was shooting his tail has 3 types of guns. He might have been Gaijined, but I am pretty sure that the .50 caliber rounds are faster than the .30 cal ones, which could help explain this. Sometimes AP rounds are also higher velocity than tracers are too.

[@Mezinov]

Not super relevant but I wanted to share; got a nuke yesterday evening in an Ostwind II at 7.3. Was running my German 6.7 lineup on Hurtgen, got a cap and two kills in a Jagdtiger before getting mugged by a bunch of HEAT bois, then took the Ostwind out and bagged 4 tanks, 7 planes, and 3 assists. Was on my way to A to cap that and decided to check my SP and saw I was at 3333.

[@corsairsofnarshaddaa]

I freaking love this crazy little airport baggage handler tractor. I spaded it in like 4 matches (as a FTP player). You can get to a flank and then reposition sooooo fast. Also, spot on with the Swedish AA ammo situation. I run out all the time.

[@laberdude]

i like enzo just firing the gun from the hip.. cool af

[@PlightCenturion]

Italy was a little silly

[@unoriginalplays120]

A little

[@italian_noises]

Casually engaging in a mild amount of shenanigans

[@Imjustafridge]

A miniscule bit of Foolery

[@sweatyskinfolds1385]

A little sicsilly

[@SimplyThatSleepyGuy]

They did a little trolling

[@DecidedlyNinja]

War Thunder uses client-side hit detection, meaning if the enemy sees his bullets hitting your engine, they're hitting your engine. Because latency exists, what you see is only an approximation of what he sees.

[@leo.z697]

You know it's a good vehicule when the ammorack is litteraly a wall

[@corsai7506]

I play the 42/47 heavily, and it's awesome, stealth, fast, quick-firing gun, flank and rack up the kills!

[@wilso845]

😂 some random vehicles in WT watching your crew on that gun has the magic roundabout tune in my head 😂

[@wyatth473]

"On top of all of Lancia's other firsts, they were the first to invent the Tactical." Probably would've fit in that piece in Top Gear

[@annadelsiena]

You're so right with how wacky the Italian low tier stuff is, but that just makes it the best to play around with after salt rises from higher tier games Italy suffers (but in a good way)

[@dinosatay]

"how much ammo should I pack again?" *"yes"*

[@TomPrickVixen]

Its an Italian, all wheel drive, convertible; what more could u ask for?

[@crypt0master256]

I love the AS 42/47, its such a good little vehicle, I managed to spade it in one game 😂

[@garrettknox5266]

Italy used the AS42 to chase after British SAS running around the desert in Jeeps armed with AA machineguns. They were somewhat successful with it.

[@DarkButz]

Ystervark gunner: Our fight will be legendary AS42/47 gunner: Sì

[@turczech]

I've said it in-game many times and I'm gonna say it here now: Playing low tier Italy is like sleep paralysis.

[@cinnamanstera6388]

Strangely enough though, rank 1 Italy is tied for my best Ground RB battle ever with 11 kills. Rank 1 Italy and BR8.0 Germany. Go figure.

[@rltt379]

@@cinnamanstera6388 true, but then you get an m24 as well as all the other tanks with apparent motor damage (same with planes) but they are still managable, especially going back works. But without experience (my first nation), it's miserable.

[@unoriginalplays120]

A bathtub with wheels and a gun

[@agravemisunderstanding9668]

Nice to see the Italy is still the closest thing we will get to technicals in warthunder

[@obsidianjane4413]

...yet.

[@dphalanx7465]

Italy specialized in truck-mounted artillery ( _autocannoni_ ) for the North Africa front, where mobility is king (almost a dozen different types). And today's vehicle is another variant of the AS42 _Sahariana,_ the best Scout Car of WW2. It's designed to go over 1000mi, behind enemy lines, recon-ning & ambushing. Can't remember if the 20mm version can Scout, but they both should. T.L.,D.R.: It's all technicals, all the way down. Or as I like to call it: Italian _Rat Patrol._

[@Horus_the_Lupercal]

Imagine a Toyota Hilux with a Tow missile as a Japanese premium.

[@obsidianjane4413]

@@Horus_the_Lupercal I'm still waiting for Jeeps with 37mm AT guns and 106mm RRs.

[@obsidianjane4413]

@@dphalanx7465 They really should.

[@ShadowsOfTheSky]

The .50 cals on the airplane do more damage than the 20mm HE on the AS-42 lmao

[@TheArklyte]

Odds: Italians were bonkers. Meanwhile Gaijin: you know what would be a sensible decision? Let's put M15/42 at 2.7. Yeah, the same tank we denied researchable track armor and further investigation of sources regarding penetration of its main gun. Yes, the same tank that shares BR with M4 105. Wouldn't it be fun? P.S.: 47/32 gun was also tested on AS14 CAS plane if I recall right.

[@vannlo355]

The spare on the front also doubles as a pizza storage compartment for deliveries 👍

[@Insane_Power]

2:18 it was at that moment I realized he was driving a bomb

[@zerrierslizer1]

that driver is the Alpha and the Omega of the "Zero Fucks" Clan.

[@kaige498]

I immediately spaded this little guy as soon as he came out, so fun!

[@stggcsubcommanderseb4384]

22:06 I had a moment like this yesterday. I was turn fighting a guy, they shot underneath my aircraft, and pilot sniped me

[@villie86]

Bawz, don't use the AS42 for what the game tricks into telling you. It's a tank destroyer, the devs just put it in the SPAA lineup as a mistake.

[@ppchumanoid1289]

I think he shot your engine with his nose mounted cannon firing stealth. His tracers were wing mounted and lower velocity.

[@iseeu721]

If you got the CN early enough it is in your German air tree instead of italian and that one's guns hit like 30mm cannons. It's kinda fun.

[@demonocolips]

that 47mm gun is surprisingly good so long as your playing tier 1-2. just keep using it for too long just like the 37mm with the swedes, without the slight redemption of the apds rounds, though i would rather have aphe most of the time anyway. i wanna play that mech event again it was fun.

[@ChadThundersneed]

It does pretty good at 9.0 when light vehicles are all that exist

[@admiral_alman8671]

I waited for a big CC to make a video about this boi

[@bobjeffmcmac7457]

for a long time the as.42 was my most played tank and i had something stupid like a 5.0 kdr with it lol

[@pogu650]

All those hours making pasta really paying off for luigi

[@jurgenalbert2885]

Wohoo, I made it into one of your videos and as your teammate and not victim! Kudos to you OddBawZ! The Game was just yesterday evening and the Videos was uploaded shortly after.

[@farmcat9873]

I give Major props to the actual gunner aiming the cannon that dude is standing straight up like not a damn care in the world and like a shell is never gonna hit em

[@grantdillon6325]

This is one of favorite vehicles to play. Great mobility and if you play it right you can kill the enemy before they can spot you.

[@lordcron653]

Yeah I use that little AA to take out panzers

[@thetonk5715]

Honestly I play this thing at 7.7 since everything has bad armour basicaly (unless it's russian) I have so much fun doing it that way

[@thatweirdlego_guy1517]

if you click the little guy in the hangar you can walk around. that would be cool when you introduce the tank and we can see a walk around shot

[@TheArklyte]

Answer on Italy's situation with low tier is pretty simple - Gaijin is inconsistent. They gave italians a 20mm round with 64mm penetration so vehicles with 20mm Scotti and Breda autocannons sat higher then ones with 47/32 guns. Then they decided to take away that round die to "historical inaccuracies"(who added it in the first place, huh?), cutting the penetration on those guns from 64mm to 44+mm akin to Hispano and "fixed" low BR by heavily uptiering vehicles with 47/32 and 47/40 guns. Guns which themselves are barely researched by Gaijin, but unsurprisingly into the opposite direction(47/40 gun has mentions of penetration numbers upwards of 100mm, which isn't surprising as it's a version of Bohler gun with drastically increased case length>propellant charge>velocity>kinetic energy, which makes it closer to 47mm czech and french AT guns, you'd find on Panzerjager I and Lorraine 37L). All in all it's a mess. But you've seen the better part of it. For worst? Go play M15/42:(

[@whatdothlife4660]

I started playing war thunder a year ago and got to spam the M13/40's before they ruined tier I and raised their BR's. Very fun while it lasted.

[@kimjanek646]

At most the gun would be able to penetrate 85mm. It’s not a 6pdr and not even comes close to the long 50mm.

[@TheArklyte]

@@kimjanek646 lol. I've listed two other existing ingame 47mm gun. Czech one used on Panzerjager I and french one used on Lorraine 37L. Penetration is not strictly caliber related, sorry to tell you.

[@kimjanek646]

@@TheArklyte And how do you expect a shell that is both lighter and slower slower than all of them to penetrate a 100mm?

[@ElwoodPDowd-nz2si]

I thought the Celere Sahariano was the most fun I could have in War Thunder. I almost didn't even try this vehicle. What a mistake that would have been. This is laugh inducing, heart racing fun! And as a bonus, your helmet decorations look great on it..

[@notazombie...notatall8577]

Oddbawz plays low tier Italy and goes insane.

[@whatdothlife4660]

This little beauty gets the job done better than the M13/40's do. Sure they have good armor but they're sooo slow!

[@flippi1120]

I played this thing as soon as the update dropped and it was a blast with the AS 42 the 20 mm on the as 42 is really good

[@bobselser3950]

Happy anniversary, Odd. I really enjoy your videos and especially you sense of humor.

[@Warzonejoker]

Hi OddBawz love the content keep it up

[@devvy_01]

The gunners hand is what happens when you do NNN instead of NNN

[@180molotov]

Lol I saw this in 5.0 in my vk and had 0 idea what it was and it managed to one shot me lol 😆

[@louiewood7689]

How lmao??????

[@louiewood7689]

@@furball_rules3576 but... Like 50mm pen? That's embarrassing

[@edwardking9359]

​@@louiewood7689Many things have less armour than that on the side, and this thing is fucking tiny, so it's easy to get there.

[@Eagerstriker]

16:22 he says as he gets 14 kills in a quickly lil troll beast that seems to murder everything it looks at in usually one shot and has like a 1 second reload XD

[@cheesecommandoplay6872]

Imagine being the driver. You are completely vulnerable and the canon behind. I still prefer the Lancia. Good video BTW

[@astrogumbie2399]

Click on the little man beside the Road and you can walk around inside the HANGER!!!!

[@TheGrant65]

Fun fact about that Italian 47 mm gun: it was evidently respected by the Allies, because some were used by Australian AT gunners ... against the Japanese in Malaya! (Alongside the similar QF 2-pdr. And, of course the Japanese were fielding anything with better armour than a Chi-Ha ). I dont know the exact origin of the guns in Malaya; they were described as "Italian" though and a lot of field guns were captured by Aus 6th Div in the early stages of the Libyan campaign (1940).

[@randymeredith]

Anything in low tier ground rb is good. Thanks for all you do for us.

[@simplode7752]

Yeeeaaah this is the one ive been looking forward too. Italian meme machines are always good

[@LucasStrandell]

One step closer to my dream of having a motorcycle with a sidecar-mounted cannon in the game

[@jayklink851]

Every year Mussolini lived took a hundred years off the 'Thousand Year Reich!'

[@mrkrabs4913]

I actually love this crazy thing

[@espc8414]

You know you can click on the soldier next to the red carpet of tanks and it takes you to a human size pov and you can walk around.

[@marchingbandboi553]

11:13 Odd goes into camera mode with me knowing he could go into the mechanic in the homescreen POV.

[@jjaybuill3685]

Thats the thing what Italy gets when they really need something playable at top tier

[@normal-potato05]

What that hand do He definitely failed NNN

[@Mathias-cq4gl]

Thank you for daily video oddbawZ✊

[@TheFozzieH]

Enzo needs the 300 rounds of 47 as he’s no scoping everyone

[@thegrandt604]

I mean to be fair with the wild variation that sometimes seems to happen in the preformance of the HE filler in those shells, they might actually work as viable applique armor lol.

[@marcodatreviso9619]

"Italy seems to get the bad end of the stick" yeah it's WWII everyone thinks Italy was a joke back then (it's actually a bit more complex that that) but I mean, I like the memes so...eheheh! Oddbaws never dissapoints. thumbs up for the video, enjoying them a lot lately!

[@erik260196]

Odd! did you know you can walk around all three hangars (ground/air/naval) by clicking on the soldiers? It has some interesting eastereggs!

[@Niewiem0]

Why this car thing weights 6 tons? Its just car with gun slapped on top

[@OddBawZ]

It's probably the 300 shells! lmao

[@death22_fighter27]

Wow that last game on the winter map you killed my poor HE 51 float plane

[@jacksona9260]

My favorite combo is the US 7.0 T29 tank and 7.0 A2D-1 strike craft. I've been running that for a couple months and have tons of fun, got my first nuke with those two.

[@CyberneticArgumentCreator]

All of the vehicles which are just two or three dudes in a car with guns bolted onto it are the most fun to play in the entire game. M16, AS42, the German 8.8cm on a truck, the Russian Gaz line, etc. Careening around on wobbly suspension, letting it all hang out, knowing you can die at any moment to literally any weapon system in the game from a single hit from any direction, cackling as you mow down people who actually care about the game with your stupid war-car.

[@austinstoner6270]

I played pretty much all the battlefields in particular BF2 back in the day. Not really a big Call of Duty person but let me just say how much fun I'm having with war thunder! I am Manning Italian. I love the AB41! It's just crazy how expensive all the vehicles are. I don't think $10000 could get a man every vehicle the game has to offer.

[@Glumbus1]

warthunder is a free to play demo i would recommend either stop playing or waiting for a sale and buying a years worth of premium it's not worth playing free to play

[@austinstoner6270]

@@Glumbus1 I'm having fun with it though

[@Glumbus1]

@@austinstoner6270 it starts like that 💀

[@austinstoner6270]

@@Glumbus1 oh trust I can tell. I've already considered saying f-it

[@Slugbunny]

The 20 mm cannellonis are just lovely. 👌🏻

[@S4B3R117]

That driver Luigi has NO eardrums lmao

[@Aman1996kaa]

Got this tub the other day it’s fantastic

[@guythatpaysforyourhandouts2478]

Truthfully the guy standing up in the thing is the smartest one of them all when you look at all the jerry cans and ammo all over it. If you see him jump out its already too late for you.

[@milo8425]

Ugh I love all the Italian bathtubs SO MUCH

[@sniperstg2]

the driver's eardrums: gone, reduced to atoms.

[@obsidianjane4413]

@0:09 And they are all identical clones. Just like on the Lanica. Can you even call them brothers, Mario type? Com'on Gaijin, would it have kil't the budget to give them at least different mustaches? My only complaint of it is the you don't have full traverse of the gun, and most galling, over the back deck where you could use the engine as armor.

[@_l2450]

I don’t think that driver has any eardrums left to damage 😂

[@BacnManYT]

I don't know why but for me 20 mils are always hard to aim, well the WW2 ones.

[@lyeonsupply1075]

Hey man just wanna say I bought the vrcc with ur code and the decal looks awesome

[@Area51UFOGynaecology]

imagine having to fight shermans in the desert in that thing

[@Callsign_viper]

Yk it’s gonna be a good video when odd says in this video

[@mRahman92]

Mobility, mobility, mobility! The guns, and the ammunition they have access to are very different in the last two vehicles you highlighted. I mean just look at the size difference alone.

[@bobgoat5994]

you have to use the 20mm as42 as a tank destroyer. I have more tank kills with that thing then any of the other low tier italian tanks.

[@giovannifoulmouth7205]

Odd got 6 plane kills with it in the Frozen ass game, clearly he has no problem aiming.

[@blackcatthegreat182]

@@giovannifoulmouth7205 It's a trash aa , rather would a gaz 4m or british light aa if i wanna shoot at planes.

[@1soupasaurus]

Man, last time I was this early, my wife and I had to prepare a nursery.

[@Armgoth]

18:51 I had the exact same idea when you said it :DD

[@RanenJ]

i like it when he sais at the begininng "In This Video" i say it with Odd and its alot of fun for me and makes me smile. haha not enough sauce on that 20mm meatball.

[@Kilanas112]

If you press on the guy who is dressed white in the hangar, you can walk around!

[@berserkerpride]

Italy spent their military budget on their snazzy leather coats.

[@David_Bernstein]

Hey, Odd - check out the Sweden prem airplane, the Fokker D.XXI... the 20mm has crazy pen and damage for ground pounding @ 2.0 BR. Love your videos, keep up the good work, cheers

[@karamd.9101]

Me succeeding in nnn so far me remembering that I'm going to hear this voice everyday 🤤😭

[@jmarttal]

Is Oddbawz a Critter? So many stealth CR-references in this vid. 😅

[@theroyalaustralian]

WAIT HOLD ON, 312 rounds of ammo?

[@KingConor6]

I play it so much I have so much fun with it