The Truth About Owning A Porsche Cayenne...

[@TiptronicSS]

How refreshing, a video not trashing a car, which is very easy to do. Every car has faults. Especially an older one. And knowing how bad the conditions are that car is living in (U.K. weather and roads), it's actually surprising to hear all this. Thanks for not going the direction everyone else on youtube is going.

[@itsjoel]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@Tylersdad717]

I have a 2016 Cayenne base 958 and have not had any issues at all for 4 years now. I love my ride, my son loves it and says its like being in a space ship. It corners amazing and handles like a sports car. I still get the expected fear of massive repair bills but I think I'll be keeping this vehicle for at least 10 years or hand it down to my son once he gets his license.

[@JustinD93]

It's great to see the cayenne back on the channel Joel. I have a massive soft spot for them. Let's face it Joel you've made a smart decision with the 3.2 as it's the most reliable least problematic 955 engine. So it doesn't suprise that it's served you well. I understand your itching for that bit more power though I get that, them L322 TDV8'S are getting a reputation for being the worst engines in the L322. Many of them I see for sale the TDV8's are up for spares or repairs, seized engines, blown turbos ect... Then there's the rusty rear arches/sills to repair... I adore L322 they are lovely. But let's all be realistic they are the biggest money pit you can buy. You never get that feeling of real reliability. You know in your mind they are going to break down or even give you numerous expensive bills. It's probably why they are incredibly cheap to buy they are starting to show their age now and people can't afford to keep pouring their savings into it as you'll never ever get that money back. It's sad really 😂.... But people want to be seen in a range rover so that's a price you pay.... And yes I have actually owned 2 L322's so I can confirm they are just terrible. They are like the Peugeot of 4X4's 😂

[@phoebelexi7526]

I had a 955 3.2 for 7 years. Bought it with 50k and sold at 140k towed a caravan around Europe and three times skiing in the alps. Loved it and never let me down. Yes I probably over serviced it but never went wrong. Brakes every year at £500 per axle and expensive tires but it’s going to cost that.

[@davidgoliath5901]

Great Video, my 2009 957 Cayenne diesel is currently up to 180,000km and has been super reliable. Wonderful car with superb on road manners and superior off road ability.

[@ford890a]

That's the problem with forums. If 300 people say my car was a unreliable nightmare it looks bad. They ignore the fact that that the other 50,000 buyers were basically happy. Just have to try and buy one that hasn't been abused.

[@Baconroll699]

Fantastic Joel this is what it is all about. Keep it going Joel throughout winter and then perhaps move it on. Although a RR sounds great, just remember how you felt when you had the green one and the diesel one. This is a much better car. May I suggest a A6 Allroad for your next car ?

[@UnusSedLeo-w5l]

Yes, nice vid! And good advice to clean the headlights. It will make the Cayenne look even better!

[@tristandegroote2]

Would be interesting if you buy the L322 4.4 TDV8. As far as I'm aware you've already driven 3 different L322's (and owned 2) with different engines. So would be nice to see the comparison! You inspired me by the way to buy an L322. Best decision ever!

[@1971V12]

Twist! 4.4 TDV8’s are phenomenal 👍

[@orwell9579]

That's until both turbo's fail like mine...

[@JohnBaxendale]

@@orwell9579 on the 4.4 or on a 3.6?

[@orwell9579]

@@JohnBaxendale 2011 4.4 Vogue SE

[@JohnBaxendale]

@@orwell9579interesting, it’s less common in the 4.4, do you know what went wrong? Presumably there was something that caused them to both go?

[@orwell9579]

@@JohnBaxendale It's indeed less common on a 4.4 but I was out of luck I guess. Turbo failure on a 3.6 almost always has its origins in EGR problems that cause clogged vanes. In my case oil somehow got into the intercooler and was sucked up by the engine which led to turbo failure. Body had to be lifted so a high labour cost.

[@edez99]

Hi Joel, always love the content but in particular the cayenne content, mainly because I picked up a 955 V6 at a similar time to you, so it’s been great to follow the journey. Unfortunately my experience has been vastly different to yours. I found the engine to be super reliable, however that couldn’t be said for everything else around it. I had consistent EML’s & PSM alerts, driveshaft knocking as mentioned in the video, coolant leaks, gearbox issues & what ultimately killed the car was a rotten subframe that made it uneconomical to repair. That being said, I do still think they are fantastic and the prices they are currently at makes them a pretty low risk gamble, even if the running costs are quite high! That being said, if another one came up around me and it had been well looked after then I’d happily pay a bit more to get behind the wheel of one again!

[@rikkiwhitehead]

Something that isn’t taken into account a lot, and should be. If I have to spend 2k a year on my 2001 jag xkr, I can live with that. Because the 330e I sold recently, lost me just shy of 1k a month on depreciation. Granted if I kept it for an extra year the depreciation per month would be less, but still a hell of a lot more than 200 per month that old car maintenance works out to be.

[@shanenewport3575]

I’m 4 months in to owning my L322 4.4Tdv8 Autobiography Black edition , it’s been an absolute beaut to own so far! Nothing beats it to drive , fully loaded , fast , not horrendous on fuel and super comfy both as a driver and passenger Welcome to come and take it for a spin Joel to help with your decision 😉

[@itsjoel]

I might have to take you up on that offer! Send me an email? [e-mail]

[@FrankDeLuca-g4f]

I don’t own a Cayenne, but I’m delighted to hear you yet again mention that a majority of these cars are actually quite reliable; if you only read a few comments on some trashy forum you’ll get a bunch of Lexus people complaining about RR’s being unreliable. These people have also (mostly) never owned a Range Rover. This is coming from someone who owns a QP5 and have had many Range Rover’s, and a new Defender 90….

[@itsjoel]

Exactly!

[@kevinjekyll1521]

For me, as an owner of a Turbo, mechanical sympathy is key with these, just like it should be with all cars, and maintenance - so... Well you have gotten your car to be reliable and you trust it, and now have an understandable itch to try something else, it's the idea of have something new to you that is exciting. The basic choice here is now cost, you are in a good place (apart from the fuel thing) and you could go for another car, but you being you, you are going to have to go through all the preventative maintenance things again, at a cost, and who knows what will come of that... Ultimately it is just a question of how much you want to spend. A good well cared for vehicle will look after you, an abused one will punish you, and the people who do that always blames the vehicle... I look forward to where the winds of fortune take you...

[@shikanu9934]

Keep it - I have the exact same car on a '56 plate & I will confirm that the costs can get a bit saucy but then again, you kind of know it will when you buy it. For example my wipers broke the other day & it is £800 to get the whole issue sorted with a fit etc. If that was something cheap like an Insignia it would be about half that price for the same job. However, dont let it put you off as these really are fantastic & I would say the V6 is the better option to avoid some of the other really painful issues they can have (and 250bhp is fine for daily driving, I never feel short on power really). It is much more interesting than the equivalent range rover as well!

[@shaunkeasey3674]

I'm like you, but it's the L320 for me! Just brought a 2013 Autobiography Sport with 62000 miles! Love it!

[@itsjoel]

I've always wanted to try out a Sport

[@TiptronicSS]

To start, let's say how nice the chap at Eporsche is, it's rare to find an honest garage. Most of them try to sell you a bridge 😂

[@itsjoel]

They’re great

[@lawrencehooper4341]

Watching the people at ePorsche was interesting and you yourself had a good experience with them. Therefore it makes sense for you to buy another Porsche product if the chanel needs a different car.

[@1mic3]

Since watching one of your videos a couple of weeks ago where you said if you have a yearning to buy a vehicle that you’ve always wanted but were maybe a bit uncertain about doing so I have bought the car of my dreams- let’s hope it doesn’t become a nightmare!- so now I have a L405 Range Rover and I’m happy as a pig in muck! 👍👍👍Thanks Joel.

[@itsjoel]

you legend! Well done

[@itsjoel]

Is that what you would have expected from Cayenne ownership?

[@markblunsum6164]

Given what you’ve spent on maintenance so far, I’d stick with the Cayenne for now and continue to enjoy the driving experience! Good luck if you do go for a Range Rover, fingers crossed you get one that doesn’t turn out to be problematic!

[@JC-fi5fq]

Yeh Joel,scratch the 4.4 TDv8 l322 awesome car!love my Westminster!

[@JohnBaxendale]

4 years into ownership of my l322 4.4 TDV8, I never thought I'd enjoy it as much as I do, no plans to change it ;)

[@itsjoel]

oooo I'm so tempted, I did love my 3.6TDV8

[@JohnBaxendale]

@@itsjoel I think they get under your skin. In my 4 years of ownership it's been good to me, just a starter motor which I fixed myself for free. Regular servicing and relatively low miles, but it's been a gem. My other car is an old 996 and tbh the two cars together are just my dream 2 car garage. Comfort and luxury for big trips in the L322, then a fun little manual toy in the 996 for weekends, heaven!

[@voodoocars2134]

I daily drive my 2001 BMW V8 X5. It’s hard to beat an old school V8 in a fully loaded vehicle with all the toys. I’ve had some major works done on it in the last 10 years since I’ve owned it that’s cost a few quid but it still soldiers on. I did have a 955 with the proper engine before the X5 and although it was reliable I always felt it was fragile - especially the interior trim bits. I quite often keep a look out for another but it’s gonna have to be a silver or gun metal grey with brown interior.. Just sold my Audi Q7 4.2tdi as well. Nice car but a bit too long.

[@xman777b]

I don't believe Porsche offered that sublime tan (peanut butter) interior, with gray exterior color combination. At least, not in the 03-06 models.

[@michaeloleary4071]

L322 4.4 TDV8 gets my vote. Once you've had a Rangie it;s hard to except anything less.

[@itsjoel]

Agree

[@harrytaylor8759]

Another vote for Range Rover from me too 😀

[@Aaron.Crouch]

completely agree mate. i have a 1004 CCT (Australian) and have had no issues other than a selector lever switch which was very easy and inexpensive to replace. other than that - touch wood i have had no other issues. I absolutely love my Cayenne TT and it drives fantastic. Probably down to luck more than anything lol

[@itsjoel]

Yeah, maybe we're just lucky!

[@Aaron.Crouch]

@@itsjoel loving the journey mate. keep em coming and any tips/tricks to a happy Cayenne :)

[@greg55678]

L322 4.4 TDV8 Westminster, you know you want to 😄😄

[@AntonyLD]

Less rot underneath than my 2012 Subaru XV rot box! A Cayenne is my "itch" and really looking forward to the off road test on here.

[@coffeeman3913]

Having now owned both Subaru and Porsche, the Porsche is an overgrown Forrester, and like Subaru it's like Lego alot of parts interchange between models

[@caliwator]

I've had a couple of cayennes and also a v10 touareg(basically the same car). They have nice quality mostly. But i've found quality is lacking in some areas. they usually get water inside because of blocked water outlets. And that leads to a lot of electrical problems. Air suspension is a pain sometimes when it starts to act up. Auto valve body can fail, front differential can fail.. interior plastic is not very high quality, V8s can have cylinder scoring and lots lots more that happens with these cars. I think you got a bit lucky with this one. They are great cars when they run :)

[@cvv911]

I have owned a 957 VR6 for 2 years with over 200k km - no issues whatsoever. Fuel consumption (no chance to get much below 11L /100km) is much higher than a 958 for example.

[@jeremyarnold3016]

I'd keep the Porsche Cayenne. You've just put two grand into it. I've currently got two VW Touareg V10's, and I wouldn't get rid of them at all. One's got a rear diff lock. Thanks for a great video.

[@patrickdagg7530]

Iv got a L322 4.4 tdv8 Best car ever

[@paulspindler5849]

I have a 2012 cayenne S 4.8, almost 3 years of ownership, about 14k kms, now 103k, issues have been 1. Coolant hoses leaking by being brittle, 2 Abs sensor replaced, and 3. air suspension issues, front struts replaced, pump replaced front suspension arm bushings replaced. It probably needs the rear struts replacing too. What I found is the car needs to be driven pretty regularly, at least 4 times a week. It's been OK but I am not overwhelmed by it, mainly I expect because of the suspension issues. Not sure what to replace it with GLE 350d coupe or Subaru Outback 3.6r (can you get that in the UK).

[@stephenmiller251]

I know you’ve had the Copart Volvo XC90 but you should consider the XC70, fantastic long distance cruiser and well capable off road in winter.

[@dilan4123]

This has to be the slowest ascent to 100K subs 😂😂 Not seen someone hover just under it for so long

[@itsjoel]

Tell me about it

[@Bluebottle_GB]

Keep the Cayenne for this winter since you've sprung for the winter wheels and the major service, switch in the spring maybe?

[@redsidebiker]

Joel, I'd keep the Cayenne. As you say, it has proven to be reliable and not overtly expensive over the last 12,000 miles. I know that it isn't good for your channel views, but you need a car that you can basically rely on 100% - you have it there. Mess about (pardon the pun) with the Maserati or whatever follows that. Good viewing and good for shouting down some of the naysayers.

[@billynixon5573]

Glad it’s gone well for you, Joel! I have a 2020 Cayenne Turbo and that’s been fairly unreliable over the last year, much worse than the Alfa Stelvio QF I had before. I think the build quality has gotten worse with Cayenne’s over time, which is a shame.

[@itsjoel]

I think you’re probably right

[@danp8967]

Hey Joel, love the Porsche content. Have something which may be of interest for you and maybe some content for the channel involving Porsche’s from my owners group. Hope to hear from you soon 👍🏻

[@firstnamed1501]

Love my 4.4 2011 L322 AB. 👌🏻

[@coffeeman3913]

Offroad they are unbelievable, i have never been stuck and more comfortable than my mates v8 lexus

[@vqdriver]

I’ve had a hunch that these cars can be DECENT!! the same as I thought about how a Maserati can be a bargain reliable luxury sedan

[@stevewhite9653]

If it was me and you know it’s a good car, I would keep it.

[@ianfrost3529]

There is a saying my dad said who was in the motor-trade 50 odd years. People who complain shout the loudest. Meaning the people who are happy with there cars, you don’t hear about. So most of the comments you see on forums are negative.

[@abdulazim_uz]

Hey, Joel, I hope your next car will be Mercedes w124. Keep it up! 👍👍👍

[@itsjoel]

Thanks for watching!

[@DariuszInTheTimeSpace]

Thank you. I am searching for this model, with LPG conversion ( Bi-fuel )

[@coffeeman3913]

Having driven both, The rangerover feels like a box on wheels more like a LandCruiser/lexus(which is a much better car), porsche is so much better to drive on and off road, i can drink my coffee while offroading in the porsche

[@xman777b]

having never personally driven that particular RR, that's what I was wondering. Being it's a unibody construction (unlike the Toyota products you referenced), I was wondering if it drove somewhat similar to the Porsche..? Also, are these RR V8's tight? Or are there body panels flexing and squeaking while driving?

[@robgraham9234]

If you like it and it’s doing what you want keep, you can always get something else for content.

[@bombardierboerboels]

No fuel filter , brake fluid change, gearbox and dif oils 🤷‍♂️

[@Byrstr]

It’s always crazy to me seeing the roads you drive on that are literally right outside where I live 😂

[@Boris-xx7dw]

I’ve had a 958 V6 for four yrs now , and not had a problem with it at all , I certainly wouldn’t change it for another Range Rover , after two of them and the problems I had that will never happen .

[@mentepazzza]

Can’t wait to see the Range V8 TD!

[@finleypdoherty]

Try a 4.5 V8 Cayenne, best of both worlds

[@xman777b]

I agree. Including the fuel. lol

[@coffeeman3913]

Had my 06 V8 for a year, 180000k's now, done the centre bearing and rear door struts but that's about it beside servicing, best car I've ever bought and was less than $10000 Aus, don't buy one with a sunroof they seem to have the problems due to water ingress

[@xMaiRou]

Is the second front light broken from the brackets? 🤔

[@FlynnBellamyCars]

I adore this car, as you know, but as far as video content goes I would love to see a V8 Audi 👀 Perhaps an S4…

[@xman777b]

or an A5/S5 coupe?

[@FlynnBellamyCars]

@ Love the S5 V8, however I have only ever been in the Supercharged V6 S5.. always thought they looked fantastic!

[@xman777b]

@FlynnBellamyCars they really do. From an exterior design stand point, the only modern vehicle which resembles my former 1994 Acura Legend Coupe. And the interior with those brown saddle seats? Orgasm..

[@FlynnBellamyCars]

@@xman777b Agreed! It is so sad when special cars like these have boring black interiors.

[@vqdriver]

If Ravenol 0W30 isn’t too expensive there I’d have that instead of the Mobil1, but still rates midpack (decent) as per 540RAT Engineering blog, who torture tests oil to establish their true wear protection limits!! ATF is Mobil1 Synthetic ATF Multi Vehicle (silver bottle/black label). Diff oil Valvoline Synthetic 75W90, GL4 manual trans fluid Redline MT-90

[@JohnHoganN8]

Please! No RR! I am in LS322 rehab I have seen soooo many You Tube videos on them. Done to death! I’ve never owned a Porsche so I find them very reliable. 😐🤪

[@chrismate16]

Salisbury plain!

[@noahfernandes1440]

GET THE L322 4.4 Tdv8, especially the last of the l322s

[@Slimberry1987]

What exhaust do you have on yours Joel? It seems to be slightly louder than stock and the tips look different. I have a 2007 957 3.6 VR6 and don't get that sound stock, I want to get a bit more sound out of mine.

[@itsjoel]

It's standard, although the tail pipes were an optional extra when the car was new

[@Slimberry1987]

@itsjoel it must be the placebo effect of those optional tailpipes muddling my senses. It does sound really nice though, perhaps I just haven't heard my car from the outside properly as I'm always the one driving it.

[@xman777b]

this is what I kept wondering, viewing the video. Thanks. I kept thinking, why doesn't my S version have the double tailpipe tips, on each side? And it does indeed sound good, for a V6

[@davealbon2085]

Had a 4.4 tdv8......loved it but couldn't justify the running costs in the end...tax/insurance/parts 3x the price of a normal car and the anxiety of what is going wrong next....had it 2 years and 20000 miles. I would enjoy some Range Rover content....but I would stick with the Porsche if you want a good night's sleep 😂

[@nickH-worth1984]

Lucy has an L322 4.4V8 Tdi! How about an X5 M50d ?

[@mrh5505]

Get some Lanoguard underneath 👍

[@andrewpercival1427]

I think alot of people get lured in by a cheap Porsche and that was the case with me, i had a v8 Cayenne for a while and being honest it was a complete money pit although saying that it generally drove well and went like stink for the size and weight of it, by the time i bought it i think it had been neglected by previous owners so i got the shitty expensive end of the stick, from my experience running them on a budget generally isn't really an option so buyers need to prepare for some big bills when buying a bargain basement one, as you say sure the v6 is abit more liveable costwise.

[@jjimmyrjagger]

Whats your favourite word of the year ? Joel ( Quattroporte ) 🤣🤣

[@Jonathan-qz9kd]

Keep the Porsche as the daily range rovers are over rated and do no compare to Porsche quality!

[@Jahmed5635]

99.7k subs go on mate!

[@chrislockey7706]

What happened to your Volvo?

[@itsjoel]

I've still got it!

[@2000halojones]

This makes me want a Cayenne 😂

[@crypt0c0d89]

Hi Joel! Did I at one time hear you talk about a flying channel? I'd love to see some aviation related content from you. As always, love the videos my friend.

[@JeffersonHumber]

Have you still got the XC90?

[@itsjoel]

Yes I do actually

[@JeffersonHumber]

@@itsjoel It's time to resurrect the beast for winter

[@George-ko8cd]

@@itsjoel If you need any help fixing up your XC90 let me know, I've fixed mine up quite well, I actually used the same ramp rental place you used in your video. I saw it gave you a hard time before!

[@ramsongewargis8736]

350 pounds for a oil change?

[@nigelgreer5400]

£1.92 for one stainless M8 bolt! Sheesh.

[@kevingreen8581]

I'd keep the Porshe.

[@davida7713]

Those are basically a Vw Toureq with a Porsche badge .

[@BaronVonWargoose]

Keep the cayenne, range rovers are awful, one will cost you a fortune and be in the garage permanently!

[@2000halojones]

Buy a Range Rover 😂

[@johnelbro127]

Great video and go with the Range Rover. 👍👍👍👍

[@henrym5889]

Go for a fast estate car Joel, they're like SUV's but not shit! 😁

[@JohnBaxendale]

They look like hearses though.

[@henrym5889]

@JohnBaxendale Only if you've a coffin in the boot. 💀

[@JohnBaxendale]

@@henrym5889 😂

[@charlieman8503]

Yeah. Don't buy a MASERTTI 😂

[@Captain-KTS]

Sell it and move on Joel! You got your use out of it! Cheers Kirk

[@chrisallam5239]

Buy a 911!!!!!!

[@JohnBaxendale]

L322+996 = 2 car garage perfection.

[@JohnIreland-n6o]

Sadly, another boring SUV. I'd rather spend a little more and drive the Maserati.

[@stephenbarnard9154]

Next car - Alfa Giulia QV (?)

[@robgraham9234]

If you want a reliable car, buy an old banger 10+ years. All the “Friday afternoon “ cars will have been scrapped already, so you get the good ones. How do you manage to live with something that ugly though?

[@jasonbox2407]

You just have to pay, as a result of keeping such an ugly vehicle alive , but yes , a lot of car for the money, I get it

[@Classiccrazyuk]

A diesel Range Rover 🤔what a bag of crap👎been running a 3.2 cayenne 955 for 3 years, proper special, every nob wants a rangy👎don’t be a nob

[@JustinD93]

Well said. Your a wise man.

[@xman777b]

yeah. I don't get how the 2 compare, to be honest. One is quality and handles like a Porsche. While the other...