#itswhatwedo

[@edaer7536]

Having been in a similar situation it is a defining moment in one's life. Those words and sights are still fresh in the mind even after twelve years. There should be more of this kind of promotion because there are plenty of people who seem to know everything (and actually nothing) about what the police do.

[@brainplay8060]

Hit panic button, prep spray in left and baton in right, make peace with god and hope the stab vest is working as intended. Since the offender had little objection to stabbing a fellow officer and non-nonchalantly walking past him, the chance of him doing the same to you is generally 99%.

[@nicksutton2700]

Press emergency button!

[@epilepsyforward6171]

Maggie would revert to her training: - Her CS Spray would need to be administered immediately, the surprise will help her, but her voice itself is another weapon in her armoury, normally: "BACK BACK BACK, GET BACK!" - CS Spray the man, take out her baton which she will have time to do and initially, assertively tell the man to drop the weapon and move back. If he does comply, which he may do anyway under the influence of CS gas... -Immediately handcuff the man, after using a groundpin or hammer lock and bar technique. - If he doesn't comply, try and see if the CS can take some effect and try and apply the baton to the man's hand and the knife. - Make sure the man cannot move, usually by applying a knee to the shoulder blade, or goose-necking his hands in the handcuffs. - Radio: "Code 2-1, Officer in danger, immediate assistance required, Ambulance required, Officer in a critical condition from a knife wound." while keeping an eye out for any other potential threats to herself and her colleague. - Former PC, Glasgow City Centre.

[@user-bt2rq6kr2e]

Not all officers have cs spray and she didn't

[@timbo_6900]

cookiecrafter callum all officers carry cs

[@krogvakt1838]

+Timmy Currie You dont use cs or pepper spray inside...

[@timbo_6900]

krog vakt​ no you wouldn't, was meerly saying that all cops would have CS spray with them

[@koolyman]

Stop and search him for any weapons. It's a little suspicious her colleague is bleeding like that... isn't it?

[@boabharris97]

Really?!? You can't see the huge fucking knife in his hand

[@ianparker2120]

If I was Maggie I would conduct a thorough area search and try to find my colleagues personality!

[@kathyf123]

What would I do? Do you mean before or after I shit my pants?

[@agnieszkajeglinska1094]

fantastic

[@ImportedfromUK]

CS gas, baton to disarm, place suspect in handcuffs, call for backup and attend to colleague.

[@ImportedfromUK]

When it comes to the distance between her and the man, that really just depends on personal speed and reaction time.

[@ImportedfromUK]

Indeed it would. Sadly most of the UK public feel the thought of all Police on the streets being armed is very alarming and a bad idea. A matter of trust.

[@rightfulcop]

***** As a matter of fact, apart from Iceland that has an almost non-existant crime rate, the UK is an exception when it comes to cops not being armed.

[@ConstableMurdoch]

Maybe not everyday, but on countless occasions in a year, cops have to make life and death or life changing decisions more or less on the spur of the moment. Of course the odd time they'll get it wrong but they don't have the comfort of a calm and controlled sterile court atmosphere with endless hours to pour over the events which occur in a few seconds.

[@adams303]

Cool video, make a sequel!

[@FooteNasty]

Coming from the US and working for 12+ years in law enforcement I have questions since majority of the people here appear to be from Scotland. First off, I totally understand that police in the UK do not normally carry guns and you simply have an armed police unit for response. So I am not necessarily questioning this specific video but more of a culture? The way I rationalize this, and the way it would be rationalized in the US, is that the man is an extreme danger to society. He is armed with a weapon that is capable of inflicting harm on others and most likely would refuse commands to drop his weapon. In addition to this, he has just attempted murder on a peace officer, so not only is he armed, he has demonstrated he has no regard for the well being of others. REGARDLESS of the fact that he may suffer from mental illness, the man's actions have dictated that in this situation he needs to die. Your duty to protect as an officer is to yourself, your partner, and then finally the public. You owe the man with the knife nothing, and the thought that you would risk your personal safety by engaging in hand to hand combat (CS and a baton is considered hand to hand and will do NOTHING in a slashing knife fight) is insane. The only solution is to empty a magazine of bullets into the man. He chose to play stupid games, he gets stupid prizes in return. I understand this is different from the style of policing in the UK, however what I am curious about is how OUR way of dealing with this situation is analyzed by you guys? I'm not trying to start trouble, I love the culture of the UK and my family is third generation American from England. But working the streets over here my entire adult life thus far, the only way to deal with this guy and go home to my family is to kill him. And I'm sorry to say I'd do it in a heartbeat. What do you guys think? PS - Perfect example of a completely legitimate police shooting in the US: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYrFaqmfpaaKoJo

[@mariaschwarz94]

FooteNasty How about you start training Kung Fu, so you can defend yourself without a gun against a knife attack? Also using a batton is even better.

[@FooteNasty]

quickquack Perfect example of someone who didn't even read my post, just replied blindly with nonsense. Read it and learn. . .

[@Hey_its_Koda]

radio for back up and since they carry no fire arm. mace and pull baton or what ever weapon.

[@mrlozmoore]

everyones arguing about use of guns, but haven't managed to answer the question 'what should maggie do'?

[@thebronzetoo]

+mrlozmoore She should pray, because only God can help her.

[@mrlozmoore]

JorRob001 we have armed response. the average cop on the street has never had a gun as gun crime is extremely rare.

[@mrlozmoore]

thebronzetoo serious or sarcastic?

[@JorRob001]

***** he is serious bro, the fuck is she supposed to do? If she had a gun she could shoot him, guns mostly aren't about tackling gun crime, it's about self defense of an officer

[@mrlozmoore]

1. which god? (either way prayer does nothing) 2. we're 1 of many countries where the average cop doesn't carry a gun. armed response are called when needed. they have other ways to self defend. The London Marine Police Force is widely regarded as being the first modern police force in the world, let's leave them to it, yeh.

[@boabharris97]

If I was Maggie I would have helped the other officer to subdue the suspect carefully as it is unknown what he had as he his back was facing us before turning off the music. Stupid move turning the music off first.

[@marcuspotter5590]

boabharris97 To be fair it wasn't Maggie's fault, it was her male colleague's for ordering her to do something so idiotic.

[@emmess7780]

Ok, I don't get it is it her parner that gets his throat cut?

[@BigJack-1872]

Emm Ess yes

[@matthewweeks567]

This shit wouldn't fly in the U.S. crazy dude with the knife would be laying on the floor with a mag in the chest for trying to play that shit here

[@almariogiancarjavier364]

Only if he was showing indications he was continuing the attack, though.

[@djedge673]

Draw CS and baton and hope I'm quicker than the guy with the knife!

[@katiepasta2226]

I'd panic button it first! Ambulance and backup!

[@djedge673]

Hitting the panic button would take a vital 2 seconds against someone who has shown propensity for violence. I'd want the ability to neutralise the threat first

[@JoeKenney]

I would push the panic button on the radio

[@TMHF]

Draw Firearm, Neutralize Threat Oh wait

[@OzMills]

Our method of self-defence is to take the weapon out of the hands of the assailant before they can get it. We have an aversion to civilian casualties that may occur should a person have easier access to more lethal weapons. Our civilians cannot carry firearms easily, and if, as you suggest, people can just as easily find another weapon, you'd expect the statistics to prove this out and people would be just as easily harmed with other things. The statistics do not bear this out. In America there were 3.6 gun-related homicides per 100,000 people in 2011 (and 4.1 homicides IN TOTAL per 100,000 people). America - 3.6 of 4.1 homicides are gun-deaths. In the UK there were 1.2 homicides per 100,000 people IN TOTAL, of which 0.4 per 100,000 were gun-related. Sure, we found stuff to kill each other with. Hell, we even found a few guns, but UK - 1/3 the homicide ration. 1/3 of THOSE deaths are guns Now, yeah, you might suggest other factors. That's entirely fair. My facts are a bit off and probably use iffy years or something, Wikipedia's imperfect, but most of what I see bears this out. We have less death, and that death we do have has an alarming amount of gun-involvement compared to the ability to get guns, suggesting that having a gun makes it easier to kill someone, OR wanting to kill someone makes someone want a gun, which then makes it easier to kill someone. When people from the UK see guns, we tense up. It's not a right for us, as it is for Americans. I would never suggest to take your national right away, but I can enjoy a society where I don't get terrified of seeing someone with a gun. In-fact, I've never seen a gun outside of a controlled environment in my life, and I hope I never do.

[@CONNER3497]

In Britain the Police can deal with situations without killing hence the baton and cs gas besides taser cops are getting extremely common now so hopefully all UK cops will soon have taser

[@Zer0nite]

Oh wait, the criminal would likely have a firearm too.

[@TMHF]

Ross Mills That's a well spoken and reasonable response, but in the situation we've just witnessed, the subject had already attacked an officer with a deadly weapon, and cut his neck. In this scenario, we've accelerated past the point where someone can disarm him prior to him using the weapon. So what do you suggest that Maggie does in this situation? The subject has already demonstrated that he has criminal intent, and that he's willing to attack an officer. He may have even already been successful at killing one, maybe even two, depending on whether or not Maggie is capable of subduing him and calling for help. As much disdain as you may have for the police in the US, the situation never would have made it this far. In regards to the living in a society where you don't get terrified of seeing someone with a gun, I can safely say that I don't either, because I carry one and am prepared to defend myself against someone who is wielding one with malicious intent. The difference between us is that when you see someone with a gun, all you can do is fear it. Here, we have a choice.

[@judgedeathplays837]

TMHF I've never seen a gun in my life, I dont think i want to live in a world where a gun doesnt scare me.

[@katiepasta2226]

There is a reason the police don't deal with domestic's in kitchens. Think this is a very good example of why not (although the officer did nothing wrong by going in there to say hello to the guy)

[@Starrman69]

Maggie would draw her tazer and taze him, get on her radio and advise communications of officer down, man with knife, send back up and ambulance, administer another shock from the tazer, as the suspect was incapacitated, handcuff the man, secure the knife and administer first aid, if possible, to her partner and in the meanwhile advise communications of status...

[@BigJack-1872]

Starrman69 she doesn't have a taser, the government need their statues and the queens hats instead of actually funding something that matters

[@connorwebb1234]

Press panic button, which then pin points her location with the control room and with the other hand draw baton, shout over the radio "KNIFE! Officer down"! And use the baton to keep distance on the man

[@spencercodona2266]

That's a gold idea, I would do the same this is on of the unrealistic things that can happen in Scotland I do not know if your form Scotland but we don't get much of that only in rough areas.

[@marcuspotter5590]

0:20 Why does the man always speak and not the woman?

[@rado4218]

seeing all these comment "why don't they have guns" "NO GUNS" well maybe some countries don't a game of Team Death match outside the fckin Chippy (Fish and Chip shop)

[@oorwullie1509]

I would use the TV is a shield

[@herrareeeo]

What they should have done from the start is when there was no answer at the door they should have radioed in to control room and made them aware of the situation, they should have made them aware of the possibility of needing medical and further police assistance. They then should have walked the perimeter of the house and lookes through windows to see if they could see anyone inside. They should have then radioed in to control again. They then would hopefully be in a better position to make/not make a move into the property as they would atleast have SOME idea of the situation inside

[@MrGrumpyGames]

At this point pepper spray is automatically authorised also I will hit my panic button allowing 15 seconds of radio to all units that cuts off all other radio for me to speak it will track your location I woul pepper spray the man if he dose not comply when I am speaking to him trying to calm him down still saying to the fellow officer stay can and reassuring him from where I stand

[@MagicBayWolf]

Grab the kiddie seat that was on the floor earlier.

[@Smartsparky]

Reports of arguing, baton drawn on arrival of the property, CS Spray and git red button after incident.

[@greg_thomson]

Very moving! Respect the police in what they do!

[@raimu4332]

#banassaultknives

[@CONNER3497]

# it was a kitchen knife! don't know where you're from but in my world a kitchen knife is a very available thing.

[@mitchbracey5184]

CONNER3497 His point went over your head.

[@wulliecarroll7583]

if i was Maggie, after the info the neighbour gave me i would approach the door with caution. when i approached the door and called its the police with out reply or the door getting opened and the loud music playing i would have pulled my batten out as there would of not been time the get the permission to use cs as some one could be in danger in the house. once we entered the house with caution and seen one male in a room and my partner told me to turn the music down, i would not just walk away with out keeping eye contact on my partner and male. this would of saved one police officer and not put Maggie in a trapped position where Maggie could be put in danger. this is the problem here that if an officer had full permission at any time to use cs then a few officers would be trigger happy with them.

[@usuzel]

In my country it would be bang bang bang dead knife weilding bad guy.

[@FUNKCHUNKEM]

Maybe Maggie shouldn't just barge into somebody's house and then stand around like an idiot when somebody stabs her partner in the throat.

[@NickF14]

Press the Panic Button, try reasoning with the male, call an ambulance. If this fails, then draw CS and the ASP and hope for the best!

[@spencercodona2266]

I would press my panic button and cs spray then use my baton

[@TzimisTigris]

Shoot , Shoot Again, Ask A Few Questions. Then Double Tap

[@johnanastasiou9462]

What is this??? Whats the point???? WHERE IS THE FIREARM TO SAVE MAGGIE's LIFE?????? And this video comes from the Scottish Police Federation? Is this a joke???

[@ΤιμοςΚαμ]

You right John...i agree with you..You are from Greece?

[@johnanastasiou9462]

Yes i am!

[@ΤιμοςΚαμ]

you live usa?

[@johnanastasiou9462]

No, in Athens, Greece

[@rightfulcop]

John Anastassiou You're right, I don't really know what this official video clip was supposed to accomplish, apart from showing that not having a gun as a cop may diminish your chances of surviving a call to very slim/none.

[@oorwullie1509]

Hate it when the police just look in your window

[@menelainho14]

Why do I have the feeling that most of us in here are police officers..

[@DuaneBanks]

3 weeks late i know, but i'm not one does that help? :D hehe

[@kylebutler3018]

RIP Maggie

[@epilepsyforward6171]

Not an impossible result unfortunately Kyle. PC Lewis Fulton, died as a young Constable aged 28. The Lewis Fulton memorial trophy, is the Scottish Police College's award for the best Constable in their class in areas such as weapons handling and fitness. The point of the videos I guess is to show the kind of danger Police Officers put themselves in on a daily basis. Now given the starting salary for a PC is about £22K I believe and the salary of a country GP I understand, is in the high tens of thousands, or frequently in 6 figures, do you recon there's a balance to be redressed, or do you think that's a fair amount? Incidentally this is the article about PC Fulton: www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/policeman-stabbed-to-death-as-he-helps-colleagues-1423266.html

[@boringperson-zb8vy]

She may not have died. Her training may be implemented ib her self defence

[@briangriffiths114]

1) Immediately advise Control of situation and request an ambulance and appropriate back-up. (the level of which is a management decision) 2) Meantime, request the perpetrator put down the knife and keep him talking until reinforcements arrive. 3) In the unlikely event that the perpetrator does disarm and fully cooperate and there is clearly no further threat of further injury from the knife, one officer arrests him whilst the other tries to stem the injured's bleeding using a tourniquet if possible. 3) Only use CS spray/taser as a last resort if perpetrator obviously intends on using knife again or attacks police officers currently attending the locus.

[@rightfulcop]

A Police Officer not having a gun has always been kind of odd to me. There is nothing except a firearm/TASER that you would manage to deploy in that situation. I respect UK's policy not to arm coppers though since I don't live there and I'm not in the right position to judge. I'd like someone who has had some LE experience to tell me - is that the regular way to handle a domestic call? In Poland, that would include taking details off the lady who called, asking her what kind of people live there, how many of them, whether they have a dog that they keep inside, plus the dispatch always checks if any of the residents has a gun permit. Then putting kevlar gloves on before entering would be advisable as well as holding at least CS in your hand and not turning your back at the partner before you know where you're standing. Stay safe.

[@megaelectric1]

2 words - extendable baton

[@JorRob001]

Couldn't do fuck all,wow you get a few hits, like that would stop you

[@krogvakt1838]

+Callum Grant Two words: Incredible Stupid. You DO NOT go baton vs knife. Knife wins. Obviously youve never had any relatable experience. :)

[@edwardmoffat2201]

CS him emergancy button restrain and help my college

[@rojash]

Well, if I was Maggie, I'd obviously just stand there making like a goldfish. Maybe the question should be "What would you do if you had more sense than Maggie"

[@rightfulcop]

A link to what a regular police officer's basic firearms training incorporates from my perspective: Historia i dzień dzisiejszy. Zakład Wyszkolenia Strzeleckiego. Szkoła Policji w Słupsku.

[@rhc55]

If I was magpie I would press my distress button release a major amount of pepper spray and then attempt to disarm the subject by asp baton ;)

[@xronisxronis]

Do they have guns?

[@bln35]

no there in britain we don't just give a gun to any cop,only firearms officers (our swat/ert) have them

[@JorRob001]

This is why all Scottish police officers need to be armed

[@rado4218]

naw cause I don't want scottish police to have a game of Team death match outside of the chippy

[@thedoctor7790]

Cs spray then asp

[@spencercodona2266]

Americans and thare guns makes me laugh

[@mynameiscolb]

Your spelling makes me laugh.

[@thebronzetoo]

Well, we know that Maggie didn't use her firearm to save her and her partner's life...

[@thebronzetoo]

No shit, Sherlock. That was my point...

[@BigJack-1872]

thebronzetoo we all know Maggie didn't have to respond to a free for all outside ae sandros

[@aceflyer2k8]

cs to face then baton to shin. cuff , request ambulance and police assistance. admin first aid to officer. clear building.

[@RafaelLSmith]

if i was maggie i wouldn't have walked into a mans house without permission

[@adamn6486]

In England and Wales, police are allowed to enter premises without permission if there is sufficient evidence to suggest a risk to life or limb under section 17 of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act. In this scenario, the neighbour describes a very heated domestic, therefore no permission would be required - it's a fairly common sense piece of legislation when you think about it. Different legislation may apply in Scotland but i'm sure Police powers in relation to this sort of situation will be very similar.

[@edaer7536]

Good job you know what the law is then...

[@Aumscuba]

S.17 PACE

[@con4092]

I really think your missing the point!

[@RafaelLSmith]

Patrick Ryan I thought police needed warrants

[@jordanrenner5298]

say what you want about the police if they wearnt there to keep law and order like they do our country would be a dangerous place like so many others respect to the police

[@HunterXphile]

Well, as an American, I'd first be carrying a gun. Second, the man has already proven himself to be dangerous. I'd pull my duty weapon, order him on the ground. If he complies, he'd be cuffed. If he fails to comply, he'd be shot - 2-3 times center mass to his chest to keep shoot through to a minimum since there is a child somewhere in the home. He'd then be cuffed, and first aid would be rendered to the partner while calling for medical assistance for both the partner and the suspect.

[@BigJack-1872]

HunterXphile well as a Scotsman i don't want a fucking team death match doon the street

[@afau111]

It's too late for her since they entered the house without weapons unholstered. She wouldn't have enough time to reach for the gun...

[@epilepsyforward6171]

rav00, Scottish Police don't carry a handguns, they carry CS Spray, which is classed as a firearm. If she is right handed, then pulling out her baton, will take less than a second using a downward, swinging motion. Her CS Spray is long range enough for her to have time to administer it, but have it close enough for it to affect the man severely. It causes almost instant effects, which include, his nose running, eyes severely watering and an almost total lack of balance. This should be enough to allow the offer to bring him under control. Also PCs are exposed to small amounts of CS gas, so that she will be able to work as normal while using it.

[@epilepsyforward6171]

rav00 That's an interesting opinion regarding taser and CS gas. What is it that informed it? My own first hand experience is that this is not the case, having served in the city centre of Glasgow before leaving after experiencing an epileptic seizure. I know this because of my training and because 'A' Division, where I served, has the busiest custody bar in Europe, so I saw first hand a large amount of different situations, some of them violent and knew many serving colleagues who had only needed to use their CS spray on one or two occasions during their career. It's not a little known fact that some defence lawyers, use unreasonable force as a tactic to push Police Officers into trying to drop charges, but my personal experience, was with the court siding with me on this kind of matter. It happened to me twice and I had to explain in depth why I used my baton and why it was reasonable force. Your training is extremely key here, when it comes to situations like this, where we even refer to parts of the body, in specific situations, depending on the level of danger to the public, or to yourself and your colleagues.

[@kevinhistorynut]

Epilepsy Forward almost instant, runny nose and blurry vision. Yeah that's not gonna help.

[@MrNobody808]

This is an advert for the legal public ownership of handguns for self defence, if ever there was one.

[@BigJack-1872]

MrNobody808 sorry we don't want a free for all at the chippy or at a stadium every other Saturday

[@kevinhistorynut]

This is why knives should be banned. No one needs a big knife like that. IF he didn't have a knife they would both have lived. Ban all knives!

[@kevinhistorynut]

Idk that sounds 2 sharp someone could get hurt. Think of the children!

[@boabharris97]

Moron

[@kevinhistorynut]

What you would let anyone own a knife? What if knives were illegal than that officer would still be alive!

[@KillerDiaguR]

this as good an advert as any for arming all UK police officers routinely. poor maggie's chances of getting out alive or without life-changing injuries are slim to none, and her partner probably has a few minutes in which to receive first aid before he checks out also. draw glock and shoot the bastard is the only scenario in which maggie survives with nought but a pair of pants that need a wash. anything else she's fighting for her life against stacked odds. having just said all that i do believe a UK police officer being fatally stabbed by a psychopath with a carving knife is an incredibly rare occurrence and not one your average cop has to deal with at any point in their career.

[@533filoz]

In my country, Police always have gun.

[@271chrissy]

Get another job.