Itzy, blackpink and every kpop group that fell off

[@Trixy98]

I think the best way to describe these groups is that "they've peaked". I know it usually has a negative connotation, but I've learned to think of it as a natural progression, even for my own faves. There's always a chance of resurgence, but we don't know that yet.

[@cam0987]

Good choice of words

[@PrinceDuCiel7]

Also there’s falling off with becoming so unsuccessful that the group splits or doesn’t renew their contracts. And falling off in terms of peaking, but settling into a comfortable level of success that allows for renewed contracts and continued work together or as soloists Ie Got7, Suju, Vixx, BigBang, SNSD etc

[@Trixy98]

@@PrinceDuCiel7 this too! Falling off could just mean the group is not a priority anymore bc artists have moved on to different ventures! It could also be artists that go very viral in a stroke of luck and never recapture the magic again.

[@anameig9332]

That's true, everything that starts have an end. The group will eventually sooner or later disband. They might not shine forever but their best performances era will be remembered

[@estebandelgadotenorio6642]

i totally agree with this , but sadly the company dont even make the effort of bringing something clean and not a mess

[@Pain-yx1ri]

I miss Nct’s older title tracks. Simon says, regular and cherry bomb were my jam. I danced to them as exercise haha

[@absolutelynotellen]

SAME. I completely memorize Cherry Bomb choreography until today. I can only wish Winwin would return to 127 again tho :( Regular era was golden

[@parboninawar5850]

Also Limitless

[@kkentaii]

SAMEEEE

[@eva-cm6rq]

SAMEEE Also „baby don‘t stop“ 😩

[@universalsubliminals1174]

cherry bomb was a literal masterpiece. limitless also slays

[@94sconvs]

Chungha is having problems with her company, so it makes sense if it's affecting her music. She wants to do stuff but they don't let her do it or delay it, and I think it's a pity that she's "declining", like she's fading and getting behind all the new acts (Ive, Ssera etc) maybe if something change she can get that hype again.

[@absolutelynotellen]

She could go agency-free or going to P-Nation ( probably, a kpop company that allow their artists to let out creativity/giving them freedom to craft )

[@94sconvs]

@@absolutelynotellen Yeah, I thought the same. Let's see what the future looks like, with BVNDIT disbanding I'm not confident lol

[@enchantedsooya]

@@absolutelynotellen nah pnation don't make music that suit chungha

[@TiaTam]

@@absolutelynotellen PNation (by which I mean.. PSY) is actually very perfectionistic and kind of nitpicky when it comes to music and he always tries to stir his artists in a very specific direction. HyunA, Dawn and Jessi all left PNation for this reason, so I don't think it would benefit Chungha that much if the issue she's having is creative freedom.

[@absolutelynotellen]

@@TiaTam because so far, P-Nation was probably one of the agency that gave the artists freedom? Oh i have no idea about that the agency is perfectionist

[@Pain-yx1ri]

You can’t look at the competition and say your going to do it better. You have to look at the competition and say your going to do it differently. ~SJ , that’s why I feel groups like lsfm and billlie r thriving. They’re bringing something new.

[@o_o1241]

This!! like, name a group who can sing Fearless, you literally can’t. They OWN that concept and song and embody it so freaking well. Same with Billlie, they made the concept theirs

[@WuWaOSTS]

Yes but in order for the aspect of being diffrent they somehow need to pull it off

[@andreabangu6607]

Honestly I REALLY hope Billie gets more famous and attention next year bc those girls are just so good. And I’m saying this as a casual listener plus someone who didn’t really like RING X RING, their discography is FLAWLESS. They have the music, the good rappers and vocalist and dancer plus a killer stage presence but don’t get the attention they deserve

[@wonderlucky1912]

I like LeSserafim and I like Billlie. LeSserafim are doing very well. I really hope Billlie gets more recognition. I feel that they started gaining more recognition especially in their first comeback of Gingamingayo and their 2nd comeback Ring Ma Bell (kind of). I can’t wait to see what Billlie does in the future for discography,concepts/lore..

[@foxyfuyu3474]

@@wonderlucky1912 yeah i feel like Billlie’s company is doing their best to compete with bigger companies in my opinion. Their promotions have been solid and as long as they stay consistent they’ll stay in with the gp while gaining more fans. That’s why big companies succeed they can afford to not only send their idols everywhere (ie knowing bros, KZbin shows, variety performances) but they also have the money for new albums and comebacks so they do it all year long.

[@brendan6555]

I think you're so right about Chungha! A lot of solo artists get left out of the conversation when it comes to "falling off" in favor of groups, but I think it's a pretty common occurrence with them. I've noticed a lot of solo artists go viral with one really good song and then struggle to keep up the hype. Honestly it's not Chungha's fault that Gogta Go was so immaculate lol.

[@EpicGabby24]

Does no one know Stay Tonight? That is just as much of a banger as Gotta Go

[@brendan6555]

@@EpicGabby24 Not a big fan. The only title track of hers that gets close for me is dream of you

[@miffafia1]

@Cloudy Days The last line explains it well. I 100% know Play or Stay tonight should've been title tracks. Everything about it was immaculate. The mv for stay tonight gained gp interest, that shouldve showed the company that bicycle wasn't it.

[@AB-yk2pq]

Blackpink's case for me was actually hard. When I first discovered them, I was impressed with everything and I would list to their music all the time. But then I noticed how long it takes them to release music and how little they actually release, how they actually don't have the best discography or stage presence and how their skills are overhyped for position they had in industry. They had little to no improvements in everything.

[@9cloudrachel207]

Their performance stands out from other groups, not in a good way. I have a lot of opinions too. I was so in love with them when they debuted, but with How you Like that and du du du du on, I just keep thinking how BAD the songs are. After I listen for a while they become catchy and I might put them on, but objectively they’re so terrible. Pink venom has me rolling on the floor laughing lmfao. It came on at a fancy wine restaurant once and I literally peed my pants

[@AB-yk2pq]

@@9cloudrachel207 I know a lot of Kpop songs have filler lyrics but Blackpink is really overdoing it, I think that what makes their songs funny (like eee, get em, wipe wipe it, du du etc)

[@zizojaezekeom3565]

@@9cloudrachel207 on the contrary they can perform amazing actually but haters take their mistakes and claim they can't perform like their world tour just started there's still 41 shows left yet they already filtered the mistakes and make it seem like they can't perform

[@lunachaaaan1072]

@@zizojaezekeom3565 for the being biggest gg, from yg and 6 years in the industry they are not good and many rookies are better than them they may be not the worst but including the factos I mentioned then yes they are bad

[@spikey310]

@@zizojaezekeom3565 don't argue with them, I've seen this op bullying BP and blinks in other comments sections as well, they will end up cyber-bullying you as well. Let's just stay away from these insane kpop stans and enjoy blackpink's music together.

[@mattchu3719]

I’m a big loona fan and love their discography a lot but they absolutely are the best example of a group that fell off. It really makes me sad because you used to be able to expect that they would do something new, fun, refreshing, and still be a bop, but now their music just isn’t the same at all. I enjoyed the bsides on their recent album but I’ve noticed that even the bsides have slowly regressed the past few albums

[@ChloeBx]

So far their best era was during Jaden Jeong's era He's producing tripleS and they sound good already

[@draculena]

right, it makes me so sad..

[@enjajajajaja]

yeah and orbits wanna talk about gidle when tomboy is literally gold compared to anything loona has released post Jaden…

[@carat_light]

@@enjajajajaja tbh g idle and soyeon in general are overly hated by certain kpop stans. not always and not *all* _obviously_ but they cant seem to stand them even with their new comeback that has a good message behind it. its just unfair when Idle are so talented

[@kelechio1998]

@@ChloeBx I agree. Their music was bet when Jaden was still around. Nothing will surpass the ++ and xx albums. 😩

[@FlowerArtzy24]

People say a group is falling off just to say it to demote the groups they don’t like while not knowing that this could damage their favs as well like any thing negative that you say that doesn’t make any sense they will associate your fav with you hence why people think certain fandoms are toxic 😭

[@prodrose]

That's why i use alt accounts 🤭

[@cute9955]

@@prodrose how is that a good thing tho

[@Logan-zl7xi]

Fr

[@absolutelynotellen]

Have to agree with this opinion 😬

[@kcube]

frr

[@blainem774]

For me there are only 2 ITZY releases that are absolutely horrible and that's Sneakers and Boys Like You, I do believe that there is a notable decline in the quality of their music and it's looking to be detrimental to the group's popularity and impact however as they are my only Ults I still have faith that they can bounce back from the garbage that was their Korean and English releases this year. (NB. Voltage and Blah Blah Blah are masterpieces and I will defend them until my dying day)

[@urieommarang]

Agree

[@hil2719]

Same 😭

[@sahibsultanshah7612]

AGREED-

[@bigbob5103]

okay explain how boys like you is a bad song 😭chaeryeong's high note, the beautiful melodies in the beat, the great choreo, the well edited and fun music video, fun lyrics, etc. what is there to not like about that song???

[@divx1001]

I'm not Midzy but Voltage was amazing and it hyped me up so much for Itzy! Then Sneakers and Boys like you appeared 😢 I don't hate them but it's just not my type of songs. The girls are very talented though!

[@skullwarrior13]

Mamamoo went from making jazz/swing with crazy fun vocals to whatever we have now. They had the formula down but decided to abandon it. One artist I'm concerned for is Yena. Waiting until her next comeback since that will solidify her direction going forward for me. Really hoping she maintains her quality.

[@ninibearrr]

yena stayed on top tbh maybe not in popularity but definitely in quality

[@pidgeongguk8818]

Mamamoo is one of the groups that got me into kpop (Starry Night). I still adore many of their releases, but for me, the music post-contract renewal has felt somewhat soulless. Mamamoo were on the cusp of something amazing when Hip became a massive hit. However the results of songs after that have not been great. Where are we Now is a beautiful song, but ballads are easily forgotten in the fast-paced kpop world. The reception to Dingga, Aya, mumumumuch and Ilella have been pretty lukewarm. The last time the kpop community as a whole truly got excited over a Mamamoo song was Wanna Be Myself back in 2020, a song for a commercial. Mamamoo to RBW is what BTS is to Bighit. Imagine 2019 Bighit investing in Txt instead of pushing BTS further forward. Makes no sense right? That is what RBW did/is doing. The money is going towards Oneus and Purplekiss, who are not showing Mamamoo numbers (as expected). RBW is going to have a horrible realisation if all the members decide to leave the company next year.

[@lilyrose0116]

The direction of NCT comebacks recently seems to be: trigger people on the first release and then reel them back with the repackage. Hot Sauce & Glitch Mode vs Hello Future & Beatbox. Kick It & Sticker vs Punch & Favorite. Just have to wait for the repackage of 2Baddies. They release the experimental music first, then come back to their original sound with the repackage. I appreciate their constant effort to push the boundaries of music

[@kirampd4545]

Mainstream popularity or hype cannot be equated to good/bad music

[@yachishairclips2250]

This could apply to certain cases... But in the case of Big Bang, 2ne1, Sistar and BTS.... The hype they got at that time and even today... Does really equate to their good discography..

[@kirampd4545]

@@yachishairclips2250 Agreed that those group have put out good music but correlation =/= causation. They got hype due to good marketing.

[@ingusch3783]

Personally, I've really liked all of Itzy's releases until Loco - Loco was the first that didn't quite hit the way the others before did. I really had hoped they'd start to drop the strict teen crush theme from MITM onwards, bc I really enjoyed them in that harder, darker concept. Now, idk what the hell sneakers and boys like you were, but their last Japanese release was a bop, so personally, I still have hope for them.

[@crystalwaters513]

i liked voltage and blah blah blah and i did like loco, but sneakers felt like it was made specifically for an advertisement, and boys like you was unlistenable to me. they need help

[@azpizzazz3442]

yeah blah blah blah reignited my little midzy spark for sure

[@malteser4666]

I loved loco and I loved their Japanese releases. I eventually kind of got into sneakers but fully acknowledge it's bad. I really can't get into boy like you though

[@alyonamikhajlova8318]

Also bsides are better

[@peonylarkspur645]

I find it funny that the more “controversial” releases (mmm, loco) are the ones that actually got me into itzy - not sneakers tho, sneakers was mid

[@donovanberes]

I like what you mentioned at the end and would love to see a video about groups that “fell off” but were able to come back later on in their career

[@cocofromtumblr6918]

I don’t agree with the NCT one really. They’re really misunderstood, the dudes have been putting out music that sounds like this since the v start like fire truck and Mad dog so really it’s part of their identity as a group. They released sticker and then released Favorite in the same year back to back. The Bsides also maintain the same quality if not getting better and better like goldust or designer (they both came out of 2Baddies) this is Neo Culture Technology it is a balance of really astringent electronic music and heavenly R&B goodness.

[@Felix-vi3mr]

I agree completely it's just that some people might not like the experimental songs nct 127 makes . I don't think nct127 fell off because the quality of their music only seems to improve with time. The only song I didn't like was sticker but after a few listens I loved it and I still do to this day. Only nct 127 could sing sticker because of how unique and experimental it is.

[@lia_anh]

Personally I’m a moomoo, and I totally love their music, especially their solo music! But I totally respect your opinion about their music.

[@cinta5077]

i like HIP and Gogobebe alot from them and i think they're a talented group! do you have any songs of theirs that you recommend? (srry if im being annoying T.T)

[@bowwie6]

Oh yes, I actually feel that solos are where they shine the most rn. I wasn't the biggest fan of byul's solos this year but apart of that, everyone delivered in my eyer

[@gaminsomnia084]

@@cinta5077 i could recommend you a few songs, that are good IN MY OPINION the ,,list" will include their b-sides too, cause i actually am a HUGE fan of their b-sides here we go: Piano Man, Ahh Oop, Cat Fight, Funky Boy, Words Don't Come Easy, Decalcomanie, Love & Hate, Paint Me, Starry Night, Spring Fever, Egotistic (probably my fav song of theirs), No More Drama (aaand my fav b-side), Wind Flower, Better Than I Thought, My Star, Where R U, Gleam, 4x4ever, rEALITY, High Tension, Destiny, Dingga, Aya, Chuck, Travel, Where Are We Now, Illella Let me know if you liked, or disliked their songs ^^

[@619mmm]

It's weird, I liked Hwasa and Solar's mvs/title tracks the most but Byul's 6equence album is the album I listen to the most and Shutdown is one of my all time faves. Wheein's solo stuff has always been hit or miss for me. CITT didn't really do it for me either.

[@gaminsomnia084]

@@619mmm i'm a HUGE fan of Wheein's solo music, it's very calming, helps me a lot

[@waeng4784]

I agree with almost everything you said, but I don't really think nct 127 is falling off, the way i see it they're just getting more into their "neo" sound, which is more experimental, I agree not everyone is going to like it, however sticker is very interesting (musically speaking) and it's literally their tt with the most wins. Superhuman, boss, touch, these songs are great as well so it just goes to show that nct can pull off literally any genre and concept cause no other group could actually sing something like sticker imo (and I say this as a multistan) 😀😀

[@Cat-oj5oj]

Totally agree, I got into 127’s music because of sticker. Their title tracks are experimental by nature and not for everyone, but many people like that experimental sound, including me 😇

[@jaeminista2277]

also, it's not fair comparing other subunit's songs as if they were from 127, 127 has its colour, so does dream and wayv. 127 as you said it's getting more into their neo/experimental side and the group liked so did the fans when it came up, it's not everyone's taste that's all

[@nathalie3601]

yeah i think they've found their place in the industry and are comfortable in it, not trying to cater to the general public anymore.

[@helenovsk]

You are absolutely right 💅🏻

[@hara2009]

I disagree. Was Fire Truck not experimental? Cherry Bomb? Simon Says? They were even more experimental than 2 baddies and everyone loved these. Sticker, Favorite and 2 baddies were just bad/boring. Plus the fact that entire album quality went down. They’ll have a comeback soon with repackage but I’m not even looking forward to that even though I still consider myself NCTzen

[@chickennerd2085]

As someone who has been a Kpop fan since 2nd gen, this is my thought. The only groups/singer that rarely fell of are the ones who are heavily involved in producing and writing their music, and knew the music industry play. For example, Bigbang, BTS, Winner, Seventeen, Gidle, IU, Zico, and JayPark. I just hope Lesserafim would be one of these people. Yunjin seems very passionate about music. Raise Your Glass is really a good song. And I see Yunjin involvement in their comback album, as well as Sakura. I hope they could follow BTS path, which is heavily involved in their craft.

[@jayaisnthere]

Aghhh jay park, I wish he wasn’t so problematic. He makes great music though

[@silververnallbells191]

WINNER literally have Zero bad songs!!

[@tillie_brn]

In Mamamoo's case, I think they're at a point in their careers where they're just making music they enjoy and don't really try to make huge hits, because they have nothing to prove anymore and they just want to have fun and release stuff for themselves and their fans. Idk I could be wrong/delusional but it's the vibe I get from them

[@XJYNCT]

I think it's quite sad how quickly 4th gen groups are peaking then declining. There are groups from 3rd gen groups like Seventeen and 2nd gen like Super Junior who are consistently making good music and have been in the industry for years and their popularity is relatively stable. It just goes to show how shallow some conpany are when dealing with their new groups. They focus on dancing rather them making songs that are unforgettable and age like wine and so this trend isn't surprising

[@ammaranuar2544]

Pretty sure that the term "falling off" is more used to refer to popularity rather than music quality. As far as I'm concerned, Itzy's music quality hasn't actually dropped, it just became different and some people can't get used it. They haven't fallen off.

[@dharling97]

To me it's probably Blackpink and Itzy. Like the last Korean title track I actually liked was Not Shy, and Dalla Dalla actually aged badly to me, which mean the only title tracks of Itzy that I like is Icy, Wannabe and Not Shy, with a special notice to the English version of Loco. I do not like the Korean version, but the English version surprisingly slaps hard for me. Regarding Blackpink Kill this love was a good song, however it was very repetitive, I absolutely love Lovesick Girls, it is my favorite title track of their's, and Ready to love is also a good song, however just like Kill this love it's very repetitive and therefore I found it quickly boring. Songs like Ice-cream, How You like that, Pink Venom and Shut down, I do not care for what so ever, and normally I wouldn't consider b-sides to be part of it, however I have listened to all their b-sides, and I like (some I love) all their b-sides, until the Album. I only like three songs on the Album including Lovesick girls, and with Born Pink I only listen to Ready to love. And honestly this entire thing with YG first deciding to give them solos, then suddenly decided that two songs is enough to be considered an album is absolutely laughable to me. I like Jennie's Solo, Rosé On the ground and Lisa's Money, however I'm not in love with any of the songs, and it doesn't feel like we are getting the quality of music we should be getting from them considering their status, company and the amount of years they have been in the industry. And lastly there's the lyrics. Sometimes they are plain mad, I can't remember if it was in Pink Venom or Shut it down, where's the lyrics about them never being gone or something like that was in, and that was just YG using Blackpink to plain and simple disrespect their own fandom. Also the lyrics doesn't really feel person to Blackpink at all. Theirs little to non personality or felling of the individual girls, and you could easily just give the songs to another girlgroup, because there's really nothing that makes them feel special. Edit. Also why was there a random Rosé solo on Born Pink, like they could literally had released it on her own solo "album"

[@uwu_geisha3066]

first , when it comes to Born Pink album , every song is greatly produced and YG said on Hard to Love that its "little gift from Rosie to the Blinks" second , lyrics dont need always to make sense , their lyrics always do make sense its just few words that are "Ratata" or "Whip it Whip it Whip it", other groups do that stuff too but i see youre ignoring that fact when it comes to BP.... third , i see you love Lovesick girls , have bad times dealing with love huh? and no im not toxic nor trying to be rude but accept that they cant always do girly or boohoo T.T vibe , they love sassy in your face attitude, i dont wanna sit in my room and cry over some guy , i wanna feel good about myself and i wanna feel strong and answering on your last question : she deserves it? and DONT come at me with "but Jisoo...." Jisoo was not the only underrated member , Rose was with her too , and CURRENTLY looking at the likes and followers on IG Jisoo wins, she literally has 2 mil more followers than Rose , AND IT WAS LIKE THAT SINCE THE BEGINNING, i just hate when i see yall crying and complaining about Jisoo just cause you saw one random fan ignoring her just to run to LISA , not Rose but LISA , fan ignored Rose too, YOU KNOW :) yes i am Rose bias and ill always stand for her. Dont try to call me rude or toxic , maybe i sounded somewhere rude but i apologize even though i see my msg completely normal since there are no rude name calling or sending dead wishes/threats

[@uwu_geisha3066]

also , Jisoo herself said she isnt sure if she wanna go solo yet since there are so many music genres she wanna do

[@dharling97]

@uwu_geisha3066 You wrote so much, yet so little of it makes sense. Me liking Lovesick Girls says nothing about my love life, and yes it does make you toxic for starting to mix personal life into this discussion. It's an upbeat song. If you sit and cry to it, that's on you. No matter what Hard to love is or the intention is, it's still doesn't make sense that they decided to give it a spot on a Blackpink album, and not on Rosé own stuff. Because one, Blackpink barely gets any music to begin with, and two Rosé has already debuted as a solo artist. And Jisoo not feeling ready to go solo, is up to her, and I aren't going to fight anyone about them. But there being "so many genres she wants to try" doesn't really makes sense, since where exactly is she trying them. Now Blackpink lyrics being bad with no depth has nothing to do with ratatat or whatever, every artist put in filler words and sounds. It's how little personality most of the songs have, and how you can basically give the songs to everyone else, because so little of their songs actually says anything about them as people or as a group.

[@dharling97]

@@kiomaelouch7192 Considering how I made this comment 7 months ago, and how there has been little changes and my expectations for Itzy's upcoming comeback is very low. I'm going to stand by my words. It doesn't look that good for Itzy in my opinion.

[@dharling97]

@@kiomaelouch7192 Yeah, some people can get pretty wild and doesn't know how to start of an actual discussion. I'm still keeping an eye out for Itzy, since since I of course hope they will put out something for my taste, but they unfortunately aren't in my top groups. However I'm happy for any person who likes the once I don't. So I do hope Itzy has been satisfying for you 😊 Also it's good to know that we both agree on Blackpink being a mess. And with how much YG is overworking Blackpink with their extremely long tour with a lot of random a** scheduled having them flying back and forth constantly. It's no wonder the girls are falling like flies. The tour was a mess from the beginning and now it's just mind-boggling. Like it feels like they now have to work of all their hiatus of in one go.

[@ootwpublishingmedia7894]

I was actually having this conversation about blackpink the other day... here's a snip of it "hear me out. I feel like blackpink blew up so fast that even as a senior group their performances feel rookie level. They don't have a big enough discog or as many performances/appearances as groups younger than them so sometimes their comebacks or even their presence in lives/shows feels like they're still fresh and navigating the waters of the industry. They grew so fast that people put them on a pedestal before they were ready. I absolutely love them and will continue to support but this is how I feel"

[@ashliegh115]

I was thinking about it like, I love their music. I got into them before I even knew there was a whole industry behind them. Once I decided to get into the kpop community itself and realized the amount of hate they got I was like huh?? These girls literally auditioned, trained, and toughed it out for years to become idols and live their dream. People saw their potential and decided to put them up on a pedestal, and now that they are consistently creating the same music that the same people who put them on said pedestal don't like, somehow they deserve to be hated? I'm pretty sure these girls just want to make music and perform for their fans and they literally didn't ask to be labelled "the biggest gg", the media and fans did that. I need people to stop attacking them for things that are literally beyond their control. Bad management, toxic fans....we don't even know the terms and conditions of their contract. So yeah, they don't deserve to be hated in my opinion because of the circumstances that surround them. Kpop stans ignore hella talented groups on a regular, give BP the same energy please and thanks so my girlies can know peace

[@kaydunton9303]

Good points

[@ootwpublishingmedia7894]

@@ashliegh115 Totally agree. People are so unnecessarily hateful towards them for no reason at all. The only reason they're so visible and popular is because you your engagement so idk what else to tell them 🤷🏿‍♀️. For the group though, I've been following them for so long and the way the fans behave it's impossible to have an honest opinion on them. They should have more experience by now but they undoubtedly have more knowledge on the brand deal side of things than anything else. Rosé is so passionate about music and I know if she had the choice she'd be dropping EPs the way skz and twice drops albums and singles. I would love to hear more from her. Also, I heard them talk about Coachella being the first time they figured out how to have fun while performing and it was such a monumental moment for them as people (not just as the brand BLACKPINK). But there's so much time in between comebacks also, the content and promo periods are so limited/ exclusive that they don't get the room to nourish and grow the lessons they've learned from previous activities imo. As fans who see their step by step we know they're talented and deserving of the success. However if a casual listener came in and listened to their whole discography back to back in a couple hours or days the growth in their sound, lyrics, line delivery, skills etc are actually at a snails pace and unimpressive next to their tenure as a group. What is growing at record speed is the glamor of it all. The fact that "most expensive music video yet" is what hypes the fans for a comeback rather than some interesting new thing about the music itself. And the fact that them swearing in the song rather than them trying to do something musically out of their comfort zone and outside the formula is what's hyped says alot about the expectations and focus from the fans on this group. I'll keep supporting and even as they grow up or delve into solo endeavours but I can't sit here and act like they're perfect. Done... I'm sorry lol Blackpink gets me rilled up

[@moonies321]

As a fan of blackpink since their debut and have experience every comebacks and ups and downs, it's really sad to see the current situation. I have to agree that Born Pink era was not as explosive as I expected, compared to their previous comebacks. But I think the reasons as to why blackpink seems to fell off in the general public & kpop fans' views is not really coming from their music quality (again music is subjective). But more of the way YG manages them and planned their schedules. Born Pink promotions was too short for the audiences to feel anything, and fans barely have any new content from them. YG definitely takes advantage of the fact that fans will eat up anything, so blinks ended up just ate anything left there is from the comeback or from the group in general. It doesn't really mean that the quality of their music is getting bad (again it depends on ppl taste). The biggest issue is that YG did not provide them a big enough space for them to grow as an artist, but instead focus on putting a very rush schedule and use the "biggest gg" as a shield to cover up the quality of the promotion. The hate that the girls receive it's ridiculous and haters just really take the label "biggest gg" as an excuse of standard to bash them, saying "they are the biggest gg then why do their music/performance is so bad". But heck YG literally put them on tour RIGHT AFTER the promotion comeback. The promotion was short af but during that time they have to constant flew btw Korea and US and Paris. I honestly think the whole promotion in the US was not worth it cause the Jimmy Kimmel stage was so bad (the stage was so dark 💀). Now they are gonna be on tour till next year, with barely any breaks between so honestly it's understandable if their performances and energy is not stable. And i have watch their tour stages it's not even that bad, there are moments they do seem to lack energy , but there are also moments the girls gives all out, it's just ridiculous the constant hate train the girls has to go through. *this is a long a** comment lol sorry but as someone has been with them from the beginning, I believe they deserve better and could do better if YG were to be smarter in their strategy

[@ootwpublishingmedia7894]

@@moonies321 totally agree. I definitely love all the songs on Born Pink but I can't argue with people who don't. It just might not be their personal taste. The 100yr hibernation they take in-between comebacks def reflects in their performances. It's like expecting someone who's been in a coma since 2010 to wake up today and use the internet as proficiently as someone who's been awake and present the entire time. I can't give too much to the girls in that.

[@NYROViEM]

i feel like with 127 it's pretty obvious that they're continuing down this rode because sticker & 2 baddies were so damn sucsessful, and for a reason that is. their sales cannot be compared to let's say superhuman or limitless with the latests two. to me, their sound has evolved in a good way, and other nctzen's seem to like it, so ig that's all the producers need.

[@anykamanoj6737]

It's always so interesting to see others' opinions cause for me Sticker is probably my favorite tt from NCT127. And even though I was cringing at the 2 baddies chorus lyrics, I really enjoyed the entire song as a whole. It's always so great watching your videos because you make such interesting points and it never feels like conflicting opinions are unwelcome here.

[@ww.mochii]

sameeee!! I really liked Sticker and Vampire so I was surprised when I found out people didn't like them :(

[@gummynoodles9036]

Same, the only coneback i didnt like was vampire

[@am5378]

@@ww.mochii I also really love vampire its one of their best songs imo and i never get tired of it. I’m not even an nctzen but i was surprised most of their fans don’t feel the same 😭

[@孤独レアーん]

the thing w dreamcatcher is that when ppl say they've fallen off, is because they don't like how they walked away from a more recognizeable rock sound that they debuted with, but didn't give them any noticeable growth compared to deja vu and thereafter. i see the divide as between 2 different eras: struggle era and 3rd gen shine era. they renewed their contracts today and honestly back during deja vu i really thought after losing to everglow, that it was it, no more, the company is gonna drop them. so i very much get why they left their older sound behind took more from their b-sides than usual. it has just caused a rift between fans who think that dc has fallen off the SECOND they got a win and way more recognition in the industry. that's telling .... all i can say is, where the fuck were y'all complainers at when they had the sound y'all 'wanted'???

[@gaminsomnia084]

i THINK this new Maison/ Vision sound will stay until the Apocalypse trylogy ends between Odd Eye and Maison they released BEcause which sounded more like their "old sound" so maybe they'll come back to this kind of sound, we will see (don't get me wrong, i really like Maison and Vision)

[@user-of9su1ou2i]

Yeah since they debuted w such a distinct sound and concept some ppl make it seem like unless they’re releasing the same speed metal “anime vibes” music they had at debut they’ve abandoned their musical identity which I don’t really think is true. They’ve made it clear they wanna stick to the rock genre but the experimentation with that genre is what finally made them “stick” in the industry. I would love a TT from them that is more their older style BUT I’m certain that in the eye of most kpop fans it would be “too predictable, dated, sounds exactly like all their other songs”,etc. similar to the backlash gfriend faced with their song Crossroads. I don’t think they’ve fallen off despite not loving Boca or Maison. I can’t wait to see what their next comebacks will be like now that they’ve renewed their contracts

[@TomsMusicCorner]

nah that has nothing to do with Everglow. After Deja Vu, they released other great songs from the same direction. With the current trilogy they take a slightly different path. But BEcause was really good for me. I liked it even more than Scream. Dreamcatcher actually makes consistently good music, but always varies a bit in style. You don't have to like everything. Everglow comeback when???

[@azpizzazz3442]

wait what does this have to do with everglow

[@孤独レアーん]

@@TomsMusicCorner I never said I didn’t like the newer sound, rather I’m very happy with it.

[@reistellae]

As someone who’s been a 127 stan for a long time, I feel like they’ve always made polarizing songs. I remember Fire Truck, Simon Says, Punch, and Wakey Wakey coming out and people hated them, said the whole “noise music” thing and whatever. Sticker and 2 Baddies are just the polarizing comebacks but having Favorite in between was like the palate cleanser so I think it’s just part of their cycle. So they’ve never been on my radar for falling off but I also own up to loving trashy music like 2 Baddies. I also feel like Chungha’s just been doing her thing. The only title track of hers I didn’t like recently was Play but I’m obsessed with Bicycle and Sparkling. For me, she pulls off so many sounds well because of her confidence and commitment to them - she never half asses a concept.

[@Harmony9810]

As someone who appreciates NCT for doing things out the norm and whether people call it noise music or experimental, I say they are one of the gems in kpop.

[@ancientmingyu0604]

Absolute hard agree 💚

[@wg221-33]

N in NCT 127 is Neo so they will continue to release neo musics and I am here for it!! I really enjoyed Sticker and 2 baddies in the first listening fr. When I listened Sticker for the firt time I was already jamming in the first second. I love the flute sound. Moreover all their bsides are BOP like I love their sound and their songs! I don't want them to change what they do.

[@duqial]

Same. My fav song of theirs is chain

[@wg221-33]

@@duqial good taste good taste. For me is one of the best. I can't choose the best of the best.😭

[@universalsubliminals1174]

i like sticker, but i HATE two baddies. i don't know what it is, but i really hate the synth and the chorus

[@Ri57490]

Sticker was awful. Sticker was experimental done wrong. Simon Says was experimental done right. Cherry Bomb was experimental done right. Sometimes the 'Neo' aspect works, and soemtimes it doesn't.

[@wg221-33]

@@Ri57490 for me it always works I'm sorry 😭

[@koba_ashi]

Glad to find a person who share the same thoughts that I have with NCT 127. Been a fan since their debut but lately I do not find their songs good. I always keep on going back to listen to their old songs. Yup, I love Superhuman. I felt guilty that I do not like their new releases. I still love them though and I'm waiting for another song that will make me fall in love with the group more.

[@wg221-33]

You don't like their bsides either?

[@lolaakinyemi4116]

@@wg221-33 exactly. B-sides are so good. I don’t understand people that judge a comeback based on the title track alone. I like 2 baddies. They said it is a fun and witty song to enjoy but everyone is taking it too seriously 😅.

[@wg221-33]

@@lolaakinyemi4116 fr same. I always wonder if the people listen to the album when they say that this era or this era is bad. I don’t talk about NCT 127 only but for other group like Blackpink for example I absolutely love their recent album I don’t think that it is bad or mediocre. But anyways 2 baddies is really a fun song I love it!

[@chengetaimubaiwa2239]

@@wg221-33 yo i tried listening to the b-sides for their 2 Baddies album and they weren't it for me. At least with Sticker their b-sides were better than the title track. 2 Baddies however was a dumpster fire from the title track to the b-sides by my personal listening preference. I couldn't even find one song to appreciate in that album and that's concerning 💀. The only thing that carried 2 baddies in my opinion is the music video. The visuals, the concept, the costumes, the choreography: *chef's kiss* The song: they lost me I love NCT127. They are the ones who got me into NCT as a whole, but if the music ain't good for me I gotta be honest. I'm still hoping their music gets better in the future tho 🙏🏼

[@absolutelynotellen]

Ikr. I'm a long fan of NCT myself but i have to admit, their newest album don't really slap that hard like previous ones? I meant for sure the songs are catchy(?) and "quirky" and all, just...nothing catches my attention. I consider it, mid.

[@user-3259]

I really can’t agree with your opinion on nct 127, sticker was truly brilliant in my opinion, I understand that for a lot of people it was jarring but personally it’s been a banger from the start for me, not to mention the amount of wins that song has are insane, it even got them a daesang! I think nct is tapping into the ‘if u get it u get it, if you don’t then u don’t’ realm and it’s very smart because their music is gaining a very devoted following from a certain niche. After sticker, favourite (vampire) was objectively amazing, it’s r&b goodness that served v o c a l s ✨✨ 2 baddies was again unique enough to create a genre of itself without being deemed as ‘noise music’. All in all, I really don’t think it’s fair to assume that the quality of next’s music has dropped when all the songs have been extremely well developed

[@ManJojo000]

I definitely agree with you! Even though I don't like 2 baddies (the chorus is really too dumb) we can't deny the high quality of the song's instrumentals. Moreover, the group slayed the song on every level, it's just too bad the song has such bad lyrics. And the album is very good, it has this old Rn'B vibe.

[@yunhosparrot]

100% agree with you I like where they’re heading rn

[@hannah-eg5tc]

i was looking for a comment like this! i can definitely agree with you here. i never knew how to describe why i think songs like sticker are good, but the ‘if u get u get it, if u don’t then u don’t’ really sums it up well!!

[@richhalloweenpumpkintealatte]

Agree so much on the devoted fan statement! 127's music is something u don't get from other groups. If u get it, u get it and it'll be hard to find other groups like them !!

[@Slayoon]

ITZY, BLACKPINK, and NCT 127 didn’t fall off imo. Like you said music is subjective so people will have different opinions on who fell off. I personally liked the past 3 comebacks of BLACKPINK and NCT 127. I think if ITZY next comeback in 2023 is like sneakers or Boys Like You then they will have officially fallen off.

[@tiffanyojiako3899]

I agree with what u said abt itzy but I believe they are having a CB on the 30th of this month right? To me, that would be the determining factor of If they have fallen off

[@KdramaTeen2705]

As a die hard blink, I never thought their music has fell off for me. They do what I stanned them for, I stanned them after ktl and before sour candy period. For kpop stans I can understand if they have fallen off for many people cause they have different options and groups to listen to and stan. But for me the only bad song they've put out is ice cream (I am sorry that song is terrible😭😭) other than that I still enjoy their group cbs. For their solos i fell in love with money the first time I heard it I liked it more than lalisa, and i don't like lalisa too. otg was amazing but it gets boring after a while tho i still love gone and solo is just iconic. And Blinks are going to eat up anything especially now cause they know for damn sure that if bp looses their popularity right now yg will disband them. Even in the earlier years blinks got one cb for the whole year and boycotting it wouldn't make sense cause who knows when will they get another cb. But as a group blackpink are never going to fall off for me not bcuz I am a die hard blink but bcuz their music is my taste. Blinks became blinks bcuz of this reason, so obviously they'll like what they do. And i am eagerly waiting for 2023 as to what are they gonna do. Whatever they do i don't want bp to disband cause we still havent experienced their full potential as a group. Its either they sign a better contract with yg or leave yg as a whole not just one or two members leaving.

[@Devi_Seona]

If it’s the music that you like, it doesn’t matter if they disband, you will like the new gg because they will have the same music.

[@KdramaTeen2705]

@@Devi_Seona when I stanned them it was the music i liked cause i never paid attention to stage presence or attitude but now after all these groups I've listened to no one could give that attitude and that feel that blackpink give with their songs. It's like their songs are made for them. That's the reason i am a die hard blink there's nothing artistically i hate about them they fit their music perfectly

[@Everythingz127]

@@KdramaTeen2705 I hope you're not too attached to them, because they're "strangers"

[@chillingonthesofa]

okay so while i like the girls in blackpink, i think that they have so much more potential. sure their songs are currently okay enough listens, i dont think they’re living up to the same hype that was around for cbs like DDUDU DDUDU. the sound was different to what they did beforehand, just slightly enough, for that cb to fill the expectations the fans had, and even surpass them. i remember when it came out and it was just fantastic! plus the energy around the girls at the time was just unreal. now, fans are basically being starved of content and YG is basically keeping them in the basement to come out and throw scraps anymore and the only reason we take those scraps is cause it’s the first thing we’ve gotten in relatively long time. some of the songs on the current album FAR surpass Pink Venom (in my opinion anyway). plus the sound isn’t as impactful or exciting as it was at the time of ddudu ddudu because we’ve heard those heavy instrumentals and not mention the members themselves seeming to have had more fun back then too. blackpink cant fill their own expectations since they already started off on a high note, then went PAST that high note. as a result, everything just feels the same and unfortunately less impactful. this doesn’t mean i think the recent cb was bad, just not up to usual par anymore.

[@KdramaTeen2705]

@@chillingonthesofa yeah i understand u

[@handleless986]

For me it's BTS. I became a fan during DNA era and it wasn't even because of DNA it was because of their Bsides in the album. Not saying DNA is bad, it honestly kind of holds up, but it's not my kind of music. I absolutely loved almost every title track and most Bsides before DNA from them, especially HYYH pt1 and 2. Then Fake Love hit which I believe was the first comeback I've ever experienced (new to kpop at the time) and it was alright, but again, not crazy about it. And now to today where I just genuinely don't like Dynamite, Permission to Dance, etc. Butter is fine, though still not really my cup of tea. I listened to their Bsides in Fake Love and Boy with Love eras but I've stopped ever since. Tbh I'm sure they're still making songs that I would like, but I mostly just disappointed by a lot of their new music. I just keep replaying the old songs from them that I liked nowadays. Edit: should clarify that I literally stopped looking for their music when permission to dance first hit, so I have zero clue how a lot of their more recent stuff sounds. They might be great honestly, so I guess I shouldn't say they fell off, just that I lost interest

[@Luna-xt2cx]

Sry but saying BTS fell off is bullshit. Not liking their recent music is completely fine. But they are at their peak right now in regards of music show wins, streams, views…

[@handleless986]

@@Luna-xt2cx yeah I clarified in an edit I think I probably just lost interest

[@handleless986]

@@HailToTheMeep nice, might take a listen then once I get the time to really sit down and concentrate

[@aisa_3199]

hmmm just say u don't listen to their music anymore and move on... I mean, how can u say their music "fell off" if u haven't been listening to it :/

[@SadiaIslamShouki]

@@Luna-xt2cx Did you watch her first section of video , it is about music quality not streams , wins and views, even without ViZii not listening to their solos , she saw more than 3 cbs of Bts/or more music to concluded that they have fallen off musically for her . Let her speak her mind, why saying Bullshit to someone's opinion! Blackpink getting tons shit of views and Lisa breaking tons of records doesn't make her/ their music better, BTS goes under the same structure, fans will eat up whatever they put, just to prove BTS's legacy, few fans have guts to criticize, at least let them do.

[@619mmm]

I actually enjoyed Illella the song more than the MV because it didn't have that super disjointed dance break in the middle of it. So glad they kept it off the actual track. The dance break completely disrupted the flow of the song.

[@peonylarkspur645]

Agreed the dance break was so badly placed

[@estebandelgadotenorio6642]

in mamamoo opinions on their individual career the best ones are Wheein and Hwasa in my opinion and moonbyul its like rising up with her comeback lunatic it was different aND I LOVED it im actually not sure if solar cause her comeback wasnt that great i mean after spit out it was just safe

[@ru3493]

Didn't mamamoo solo's are one of the succesful in terms of sales right?

[@estebandelgadotenorio6642]

@@ru3493 really dont know about that i think i´m go check that but probably

[@clara-rq9my]

honestly, as a music student, i believe the best way to judge music is by analyzing if it fits what is proposes to be and if it's effective on doing what it wants to do. not every song is about deep meanings and groundbreaking production, sometimes it's about fun or performance or making the listener feel a certain way. in that sense, i believe blackpink should get more recognition for being able to make music that makes so many people (specially women) feel great about themselves and confident enough to dance. beyond lyrics and producing and anything else, their music is about creating certain types of feelings in people. and that's definitely not something easy to do. i think that they are what they want to be and their music works the way it's supposed to, not just cause of the music but because of the girls' personalities and presence as well. an artist doesn't manage to get as big as they did and still are doing without having something special, privillege gives you a good mark to start but it doesn't take you all the way there.

[@boombayuna536]

great comment! :)

[@bm5701]

Amazing comment.

[@SoSo-rf5pk]

But their music doesn’t really have any depth or feeling. It’s all about being rich, cool and bad b*tches, which is fun to listen and dance to, but there is only so many times you can do this before it gets stale and repetitive.

[@boombayuna536]

@@SoSo-rf5pk so what? there are musicians like that (especially male) in the west/outside of kpop like that and i don''t see anyone complain. it's still "feel good" music to a lot of people who literally just want to have fun. not everything has to be deep. there are enough other groups out there for that. + they DO have some songs that mean something and can get you in the feels - you never know, stay, hope not, gone, tally - for example.

[@clara-rq9my]

@@SoSo-rf5pk that's a very personal take and i get it. i personally don't get bored. the feelings in question aren't necessarily the ones portrayed in the songs, but the ones caused by the songs on the listener. i've heard and seen many stories of women who had blackpink as a pilar to make them feel powerfull and worthy and beautiful in moments of their lifes that were very hard. also, about being "about being super rich": blackpink have songs about different topics: falling in love, friendship, authenticity, insecurity, toxic relationships, having fun, the portray of women in the music industry... and yes, sometimes, money. male artists (including boy groups) do that all the time and it never gets boring, they get called ballers and goats. but female artists who do it such as blackpink are superficial and hollow? come on now. i think it's super important that a group as big as blackpink is talks about the same subjects as most male artists do, because it shows the double standards in society. there are many feelings a person can experience regardless of their gender, and i think women shouldn't be entitled to just half of them. we can make and enjoy music about ""serious topics"", we can make and enjoy music about being sad, or in love, or confused, or happy, but not about being confident and proud of ourselves? man get to experience feeling better than others and flexing what they have, but women don't? make it make sense. want it or not, it's human to feel like that sometimes, and i think we shouldn't drag female artists who are opening so many doors for women in the industry down with the false excuse of fighting for "actual feminism" or "actual art". at the end of the day, it really does come down to misoginy

[@chaelynsam]

I might be in the minority when I say I didn't like Kick it, or Punch, or Boss, but I absolutely loved Simon Says, Superhuman AND Sticker (I will not accept any sticker slander you either get it or you don't) and I even appreciated 2 Baddies for the pretentious mess that it was. I can't say NCT 127 fell off per se, they're just a group with very divisive music that tends to attract some fans and take a huge dump on others- and I respect that hustle, because although I'm not their biggest fan, I'm ALWAYS gonna tune in to what they put out.

[@whoopthy]

I don't however get when people say BTS fell off. I can understand not liking their English Tracks (except peak perfection Queen Butter) but it doesn't feel like their quality in songs have deteriorated including their tt

[@_anetty]

I think so too, people say that they fell off but somehow they manage to get more fans every comeback, it wouldn't be that way if their music quality was decreasing

[@DD-fh6uj]

Honestly think so too. They gained more fans through their English songs than their recent Korean songs in the last 2 years so we can’t really say the English songs were flops because they’re bearable to listen to, and are a lot better compared to many other kpop songs in general.

[@_anetty]

@D D Honestly their English songs were mostly hated by kpopies, many local people liked these songs, especially Dynamite, which got the most hate was literally everywhere, Dynamite even was played on the radios in my country and in my country only songs either from local artists or some famous European and American artist always are played so every time I heard Dynamite I was just so surprised but very happy of course

[@purpleantidote6120]

the people who say that are people who fell for BTS because of their incredible lyricism and artistic output. They were consistently strong, nobody was doing it like them. After 2020, the songs felt underwhelming and bland, aside from a few maybe like Film Out. Dynamite, Butter, Permission to Dance, Bad Decisions...they just consistently did not feel like the high quality BTS tracks we know and love. Too much autotune (not stylistic like Black Swan which uses it well), lack of rapline rapping and absolutely meaningless lyrics.

[@DD-fh6uj]

@@_anetty Dynamite surpassed pink venom a few months ago and has also surpassed TT in Japan so I guess only teenage kpop fans didn’t like it💀

[@justagrass]

tbh with your point about sticker fans not accepting that people dislike the song, I feel it’s the opposite. From my personal experience, people have a harder time accepting that people DO like the song and I’m honestly tired of being told that I’m lying to myself about liking a SONG. No one has to justify why they like a song, we stream and talk about sticker bcz we love it! Nct, and particularly 127, are known for their “neo” sound, just look at cherry bomb, Simon says and fire truck. It’s not for everyone, but many people enjoy it and they do it damn well💚 - also, sticker is objectively one of their most successful cb’s/ songs, if not THE most successful

[@GiorgiRekhviashvilii]

Holy shit i agree on every group except NCT 127. i actually like and listen to Sticker and 2 baddies occasionally! And their B-side tracks are amazing

[@Felix-vi3mr]

Yeah I agree I guess it really depends on what type of music you're into. When I first heard sticker I was traumatized, I honestly didn't like it at all I actively avoided the song. But after some time I listened to it and I realized that I actually really like sticker. For me NCT 127 has a very very unique sound and that is something I'm always looking forward to from them . the music is meant to weird and experimental but that's why I love it. And I really like two baddies . But it's also understandable that since there music is so experimental and out of the ordinary reactions towards their songs would be mixed some might hate and others won't. It just depends on what type you music you like.

[@moomoobebe]

Thank you for your honest video! Speaking personally, I disagree about Mamamoo. There’s been a fall off in quantity (the last two mini-albums have only had seven songs between them) and frequency, but not in quality. The last three mini-albums (Travel, WAW, MIC ON) are full of music that I can’t get enough of. I think it’s important to remember that the title tracks by themselves can give a misleading impression of a group’s musical trajectory. For me, and especially for a group like Mamamoo, the B-sides are just as important (and there are a lot more of them). The two B-sides on the latest comeback (1,2,3 Eoi! and L.I.E.C) are pure fire 🔥 for me. I can’t get enough of them, either listening to the mini-album on repeat in the car, or watching the enormously fun live stages on KZbin. Respectfully, I can’t take your criticism seriously that Mamamoo’s B-sides are only worth listening to one or two times. They have about 80 B-sides on their two albums and thirteen mini-albums! If you’ve listened to them all and that’s your opinion, then fair enough (but I disagree and don’t understand 😅). If you haven’t listened to them all, then here’s a list of 30 of my favourite A-side-quality B-sides: Peppermint Chocolate, Don’t Be Happy, Gentleman, Sting (A Little Bit), Ahh Oop!, Taller Than You, My Hometown, I Miss You, Recipe, Cat Fight, Memory, I Love Too (Never Letting Go), AZE GAG, Star Wind Flower Sun, Rude Boy, Paint Me, Rainy Season, Sky! Sky!, No More Drama, Waggy, Bad Bye, Destiny, Hello Mama, Dingga, Chuck, Diamond, Wanna Be Myself, Another Day, 1,2,3 Eoi!, L.I.E.C. I’ve left out many more that I think are just as good in their own way, and I’ve left out all the solo songs and subunit songs.

[@Warriormoomoo]

She just has a damn different weird music taste frrrr.. So acc to her, aya,chuck,diamond,travel all are lame.. I swear if someone learns about music taste from this channel, we would have deaf ppl everywhere. She dislikes ppl having fun with fantasies in kpop, for her everything is immature.. Like, dear, how bout u stop watching kpop and let us have fun..

[@tiredbylife.5589]

When it comes to Mamamoo, I will have to disagree. I wouldn't say they fell off. More that they are not growing as much anymore. When it comes to their solos, it is really close to their personal colours. Wheein's music is very for the Korean taste. Especially their Indie-pop/R&B that they have been liking for a while. I wouldn't say thay it's just like BOL4, but it's in that realm. Moonbyul's music is closer to her personal tastes as well. While I prefer the darker and earlier releases, the music is really her. It makes sense that Hwasa’s seems better because the production and genre fit both international and domestic preferences. I will agree with AYA. It flopped even in Korea which is their main bastillon of listeners. But, Mamamoo's recent comeback is literally very similar to the GOGOBEBE/HIP era. And, as far as numbers/sales go, they are the most stable. I do not think that MAMAMOO fell off. I'd argue that some people probably don't vibe with them. If anything, they are one of the groups with the most stable fanbase (like the ratio between fan departures, OG fand and new fans). AYA was that one song that was a miss. I will agree to that.

[@kattodoggo3868]

I loved AYA!!. I think girls maybe want to focus more on their solo career? Also they don't get that much of promption.

[@rubyjaneluvbot]

Imo, nct 127 didn't fell off, they never did. people would count anything as a "failure" if they dislike it. no matter how much an artist try, there will always be people who'd say they "fell off." why? because it doesn't suit their taste. I like the sound of nct 127 and they're probably my most favourite subunit out of every nct subunit. no artist sticks to one genre or concept. they constantly change as they starts to get "older." nct 127's music may have changed but it still has that neo feeling. I'm actually glad that SM is experimenting stuffs rather than sticking to one concept or genre. the main issue is, everytime they release something people say "it's trash" but later they come to like it. now people are saying cherry bomb, superhuman, limitless, simon says are masterpieces but there was a time when they used to hate these songs as well. many are saying sticker is nice but when it was released, people said "SM forgot how to produce music." imo no groups falls off. it's up to a person's taste. yes there are some songs from them which I dislike but that doesn't mean I count them as a fell off group just because it didn't suit my taste

[@Ana-zm7ox]

First of all, Boss is NCT U's song and this is the first problem. Non fans, and now that I'm looking at it, and fans alike have this problem with understanding that NCT is a "divided" group, each fixed unit has their own sound. We go out of our way to stream "bad" songs but y'all won't go out of your ways to stream the "good" ones. You legit brushed over Favorite and Punch in favor of Boss, a song that's not even theirs. I absolutely love Sticker even if the flute may be a bit too much sometimes, had great raps, great vocals, and an interesting beat. I don't think I'll ever come to terms to explain how much I like what Dem Jointz has been creating with 127 (he does have Arcade with Dream too). As for 2 Baddies, it was a failure lyric wise but not in production. The bridge, breakdown, that final chorus, to me that's music Now with Superhuman, I love her, it's a personal favorite but I've come to notice she's quite disliked. That negative energy Sticker gets on the daily should be put positively over the great songs they've done but we know how k-pop stans function. Anyways 2 Baddies is definitely unbalanced but Sticker is great and I will leave on that and the fact they've managed to outdo themselves with every album they've released. 2 Baddies is Aoty, I don't make the rules.

[@helenovsk]

You are so right 😭😭😭😭 It irritates me so much the way people will spend their days talking bad and hating songs they disliked, instead of putting this energy on praising and appreciating the songs they like???? That's why I can't stand people who criticize NMIXX and Kep1er songs, at this point people just do it for likes

[@artmsion]

adios did age pretty badly dw you're not alone with that opinion

[@NingKook_]

JYP said that the coming itzy's comeback is their best title track and Yeji even said that's better than we expect so I have some hopes for this comeback And my prediction of next yg girlgroup is that yg will debut them before BP contract ending

[@intoxiahcatedlove]

Seriously I wish Loona would do an odd eye cirlce sounding album. Odd eye circle is one of their most popular sub units.

[@judas7585]

Saying lovesick girls is bad is insane this girl is so jobless and jealous

[@lalitpradhan541]

She's best described as a delusional person.

[@The_Super_NOVA]

My main three complaints with the label "fell off" are: A) They are only basing it on their personal opinion of a song or two. Just because you personally don't like a song, doesn't mean it's not good. B) They use it on a group when their comeback numbers aren't setting records. (Lower album sales or no all-kill at a music show, stuff like that.) Sometimes, fantastic songs don't do great numbers. *cough* Dreamcatcher C) They use it because a group's comeback wasn't well-organized by the company, even though the music is really good. (No teasers, few music show performances, two sets of stage outfits, minimal album design, etc.)

[@mayojuno]

definitely! when i hear people say that groups have "fallen off" i generally take it with a huge pinch of salt for the reasons you've mentioned. other people's subjective opinions of songs have no bearings on my own subjective opinions, and popularity of a group isn't what i personally prioritize, so most reasons for groups being said to "fall off" don't matter to me. i think there's a lot of nuance and self-awareness missing in the kpop community's treatment of things like music quality or stylistic preferences, so i don't tend to take comments about "falling off" very seriously at all.

[@alicebrocardo861]

as a blackpink fan, I agree that the quality of their music is deteriorating and hope in future better production. however, I did enjoy their new album (and I disliked both of Lisa's solos help mee) and I'm also a czennie 😭😭😭

[@shivs_luvs]

One thing that I love abt u r ur brutal opinions! They may sound very offensive to some but they r actually facts. Personally, I liked Boys like u but expecting something better in Cheshire album! Nice video 💅

[@laylamia]

My exact opinion! It's rare i see a kpop channel who wants to sound like they speak facts without borderline hating or sounding like a stan twitter account, however Everglow-Up does it good,she explains facts,even opens up my eyes to some new stuff and ACTUALLY gives genuine constructive criticism

[@rose-nn3wj]

Imo Blackpink COULD have been at risk of « falling off » if the rest of the new album sounded like pink venom. But when all the songs actually dropped I was pleasantly surprised with the quality. Like you can’t convince me that songs like hard to love, shut down, typa girl, etc are bad. Maybe they aren’t for everyone but they fit perfectly with blackpink’s style and we’re actually interesting sonically. At the end of the day that’s just how I personally feel and I hope your comment section won’t become a warzone lmao.

[@cinta5077]

same, this is how i feel too I'm pretty sure your comment is the only respect opinion of BLACKPINK ive seen in a LONG time. and it's nice to know theres still people who respect each others perspectives on things. and btw, i hope it doesnt either, this is the only place where i can actually express my opinion and not get attacked for it. really hope no toxic fans show up :(

[@KdramaTeen2705]

personally I like pink venom more than shut down, And the album was a literal game changer. It was quiet different from "the album", while the album was more hyped and energetic, I felt like born pink was more heartfelt and I loved that. especially hard to love and tally

[@belleowo01]

I didn’t like the album. But I respect your opinion.

[@rose-nn3wj]

@@KdramaTeen2705 Super interesting perspective! I also liked pink venom but since it falls in the more « generic » Blackpink sound I feel like the album would have maybe lacked originality. But still I do not hate PV at all haha and I get why people love it.

[@rose-nn3wj]

@@cinta5077 Yeah when I was a new KPOP stan I definitely wasn’t perfect and did write stupid harsh opinions but now I try to be more fair haha at the end of the day always being negative didn’t bring anything to my life and KPOP is meant to be enjoyed!

[@natalie4133]

I agree with everything except nct 127 stickers was a fabulous song just not for everybody but still good and 2 baddies was a vocal and rap masterpiece neo's will always make neo music and I love that because it's unique and not for everybody you either get it or you don't so the term fallen off for them is subjective

[@Nonameniniz]

I can totally see what people are saying about itzy. I only got into then around loco time but I can see what people are saying about their recent releases. I totally get why people hate sneakers became of that switch jyp did (even if it was a hit in Korea) and the fact that the song is just ridiculous and I actually like boys like you. But I'm so hoping that they can get back some fans with their upcoming comeback bc I'm seriously worried they'll just continue down this path.

[@reddd5115]

Mamamoo got invited in every festival like the old times till this day,u can search the latest one..they love to perform their music that how they start..from busking at the street and now people still hunger for their concert even they on the stage a thousand time,they never miss they always served their fans,they never changed…even they don’t get popular online dont means they fall off..as a fans we love to see their enjoy being themselves as a musician,and we know the quality,the versatility ,the colours of their voice and personality will serve purely even u dont fw theirs music ..as moomos we love to see mamamoo just enjoy to make music and keep challenging in diff type of music and the message from their songs are so meaningful…and their music some to funny,some to sad,and some could be inspired to many soul..at same time we hunger for heavy vocal like old era.

[@NukeNukedEarth]

Honestly, Loco is one of the only Itzy title track that made it to my bangers playlist

[@nick3805]

For me, it's absolutely baffling how Itzy went from "I'm the Mafia" to "Puuuuuut my sneeeeeaaaakers ooooooon! One, two, ready, get set go!" As for NCT127: I have nothing to say of them. I use Sticker as alarm clock as I jump off instantly to turn it off as soon as it starts. And The Fact that they released a title track in which they pronounced the key part of the chorus wrong! The 'e' is pronounced! It's a short 'e', Porsche is a German Family Name and Germans pronounce the letters they write! We don't write letters that we don't pronounce, that's the thing of English and French speakers. Another group where I see a decline is BTS if I'm being honest. This has been said countless times, both justified and unjustified, but that's my honest perspective. The last good song BTS released was Suga's Solo, Daechwita and for group releases it was On. The other songs were uncreative and uninspired as well as just such an obvious attempt to get a Grammy and fully land in the western Main Stream that I guess it was unavoidable. The lyrics have no depth (I'll just say: 'Smooth like Butter, pull you in like no other, don't need no usher, to remind me you got it bad, Ain't no other, that can sweep you up like a robber, straight up, I got ya, Making you fall like that') and if they do, it doesn't even come close to their old masterpieces. The songs are full of autotune that makes the members' voices sound all the same and... I didn't recognise RM's voice in Pt(S)D, how did they even do that??? I'm not going to say anything more about the topic. Even their fans seem to know deep down that the songs are bad, otherwise they wouldn't scream "(insert any BTS song from after Daechwita) is a gift from BTS to ARMY! Ewewewewew!" as if that changed anything. If you can't even find points that make those songs good and have to rely on them supposedly being a gift to argue in favour of them then maybe, just maybe, you should just take the option into consideration that the songs just aren't good.

[@g.g.1176]

As a fellow German, thank you for mentioning the pronounciation of Porsche! I absolutly hate when people deliberately pronounce german brand names wrong. It's one thing if you seriously don't know and mispronounce names, but majority of german brand names are getting butchered in the english language. And when it comes to songs I can't stand it. Like, whoever wrote that song/sang the demo for it/produced it... Like no one thought "maybe we should look how this is actually pronounced in case we say it totally wrong". And it happens with a lot of brands from other countries that don't originally come from the US as well. Like why does no one care for that?

[@vnss2819]

I've been an army since 2019, not that much time I know, but still, I agree with everything you said about BTS, and It makes total sense because during Festa, RM said that the initial plan was to release MOTS:7 and then go on hiatus, so everything after ON was indeed kinda forced and it shows

[@reyxx777]

@@vnss2819 yea everything after on was unplanned comebacks which isn't typical for bts ofcourse, they didn't even finish the trilogy for mots.. Although BE was a reallly good album unfortunately not a lot of people pay attention to life goes on or BE because of all the "overrated " English singles

[@DD-fh6uj]

I only listen to Butter or Dynamite if I want to dance but other than that not really. Yet to come…I didn’t really consider it a song but an anthology to open their second chapter. Run BTS is my favorite BTS song rn.

[@reyxx777]

I wouldn't say the songs are bad persay I enjoyed dynamite and butter as a fun song, it doesn't always have to be insightful and deep songs but if people prefer that they could listen to disease or telepathy or blue and grey ?? (Run bts is a pussy popping song too if you're into that)

[@aprille5820]

I hope the girls truly get to work with other producers and get more creative control in order to fully grow and get comfortable w the production of making music. Rosé seems to yearn for the musicality that YG is taking away from her. She shines so brightly on the show “Sea of hope” being able to show her vocals and passion for music. :(((

[@dabadeedabadoo]

I LOVE Blackpink. They are my ults, but I WOULD LOVE to see them branch out and try new sounds and styles. They did a little bit on their Born Pink album, and I loved hearing an actual soft ballad type song from them. But I want more. I'm tired of listening to the same handful of songs on repeat, I want more music, more frequently, and more variety. They have the capability and talent of doing this, but their company is the biggest roadblock for them. They need to sign with a new label. I honestly hope they don't renew their contracts with YG this year, even if that means the end of them as a group. They are capable of so much more.

[@mikrokosmosatiny4349]

3:05 And I’m over here absolutely loving memeM, Adios, Love killa and Villain 💀

[@duringk5451]

Exactly alot of kpop fans feel like once a group releases a song thats not their taste for once ,it means they have fallen off.

[@KM10HM12]

Thank god music is subjective cuz MONEY is a bop.

[@lunar6741]

As a predebut Loona stan im so upset at where things are going for them. Their b-sides are still really nice but the title tracks just arent doing it for me anymore. I do enjoy PTT and when So What came out I was happy with is as it was something new for them but the hard push of the girl crush "noisy" music really made me disappointed. PTT is great but i was upset that we weren't switching it up and trying a new sound since Loona are supposed to be the groups that tries something new each time. I got so very excited when the Flip That teasers came out because I thought the change in directions would be a good thing but... flip that was so bad... and I barely like the b-sides besides Playback. Although they were doing something new each time Loona still had a "sound" before and it got lost when Jaden Jeong left. I really hope they can find their sound again as the girls themselves have said they miss their old music.

[@iwantitreallove]

I feel like I’m one of the very few people who actually really enjoyed both Pink Venom and Shut Down. When they dropped I was pleasently surprised and I don’t understand why people think they’re terrible. And this is coming from an Army so I think I’m as unbiased as I can be

[@TomsMusicCorner]

in my case I feel bored by both songs. They are not bad but they feel uninspired. btw you can be an Army AND a Blink. It's not a crime ;)

[@cbcimutebi5564]

Same like I love Pink Venom and Shut Down is literally the best thing they’ve ever released. I don’t understand where all the hate is coming from (especially Shut Down)

[@iwantitreallove]

@@TomsMusicCorner I know hahah, I like them and their music, I just don’t stan them, I’m not really interested in their personalities or their other content (they barely have any)

[@iwantitreallove]

@@cbcimutebi5564 Finally someone who gets it hahahah. Shut down is their best title track so far in my opinion, I really liked the idea of sampling La Campanella (also it somehow makes me proud as an Italian)

[@clarimm6675]

I think this is the first time I don't agree with you on something but that's just because I love Monsta X's Love Killa haha other than that, you perfectly put into words what I've been thinking, great video! 💕

[@Cat-oj5oj]

I really like your videos! But everytime I hear kpop fans and creators talk about the ‘decline’ of nct 127’s music, it just proves to me how subjective music taste is. Because I became a fan of 127 only a few months ago, and I became a fan BECAUSE of Sticker! 😂 I have liked kpop for a long time and randomly clicked on sticker one day, and i was hooked. I genuinely love the song and I don’t just stream it to support nct, I stream it because I think it’s a genius bop 😂 I actually didn’t realise people hated Sticker until I went into the comments section of the video. I also genuinely like 2 Baddies. I think 127’s music has actually evolved (their old stuff is still really good ofc) and I think they are leaning more into the ‘Neo Culture Technology’ concept nowadays. Trust me when I say many people genuinely like these songs. I do absolutely think you are entitled to your opinion, and it is ok if you don’t like their new music 😂 But some people genuinely do like it and videos like this always remind me that one person’s least favourite song is another person’s favourite 😂

[@niklitis]

I actually LOVE Sticker and the album that came w it. I haven’t liked the other recent stuff tho

[@kayiscrispy]

for me, Twice have fallen off. Their music isn’t as iconic as it used to be…songs like Alcohol Free, More & More, Scientist…they’re not outselling like previous tracks. And I personally didn’t like TTT either I’m not counting The Feels because it’s English and tbh it did pretty well

[@AB-yk2pq]

I prefer their recent b sides in comparison to what they did in their rookie years. They're more cohesive and personal to them considering they write and compose them. Their singles are usually hit or miss for me.

[@kayiscrispy]

@@AB-yk2pq same, there’s only a few tts that are in my playlist

[@hellobye7697]

Omg they’re gna be mad af for this one

[@tiredbylife.5589]

I could be the only one who likes BP's Shutdown 😭 but, other than that, I agree with most of the opinions. I am still confused that people hated PTT 👀

[@KdramaTeen2705]

this is the only place in kpop I can share my opinion without getting much hate. THANKS for making a space like this love u❤❤

[@Everythingz127]

There's also, "Mrrr kpop's" channel. You can give your opinions freely there. She's very open minded and her subscribers are the same.

[@KdramaTeen2705]

@@Everythingz127 i checked it and i saw nothing but negetivity there so this still remains my favourite kpop channel. I can't believe u r recommeding me that channel after looking at my profile picture

[@coquinho019]

The last 127 album was literally a masterpiece

[@oftenunsaid2175]

When it comes to Blackpink the one I like is Rosé on the ground and gone. Her songs broke records too but she actually wrote her own songs and it’s proof that blinks don’t care about actual songs that make sense or have a powerful meaning behind them. If Lisa released on the ground her Stan’s would eat the song up but since it’s Rosé they care less. It’s weird because Lisa could release a song about ducks and her Stan’s would eat the song up. It seems most of Blackpink songs are about how being baddies or how much money they have and that’s why as a group they need to switch it up.

[@aleksandra3552]

I sadly agree for Mamamoo, their music is not hitting as it did before and it's the company's fault. I discovered them at the MAMA awards in 2018 with that phenomenal stage with everyone in red! Listened to their stuff ever since and I was over the moon when I first heard Gogobebe. At that time even their songs for promoting products were amaziing (I believe that Gleam is actually an ad for glasses). Then HIP happened and it was massive - different from the 4 seasons 4 colors project completely, but it just catapulted them. ThenTravel album happened... and that's where the downfall started, in my opinion. Dingga was cute, but I couldn't relate it to MMM at all (I kinda like it now, but it's really not my cup of tea). AYA felt like it was created for end-of-the-year shows because if MMM is performing, the performance has to have a massive stage. Yes, I liked the stages, but the song really felt like it wasn't created for a group, but for that performance on MAMA and MMA and other award shows. Even though I like b-sides on Travel album more than released songs, I don't see how the songs and their topics connect, which is something we had a lot of in 4S4C. Where are we now was forgettable, but that song had written "the end" all over it for me - in terms of the last comeback MMM had with all girls under RBW. I considered getting that album, but that's where RBW totally messed up with packaging and distributing it. And now ILLELLA.... what the hell is even that song? For any other group, it would be a solid bop, but for MMM this is offensive. It feels like it was made just for the sake of making something to shut the fans up and RBW is messing up promotions completely. You know what's bizzare to me about ILLELLA stages? For the first time my bias, Hwasa, does not pop on the screen for me at all. You know who does? Wheein. She is so relaxed during this mess of a comeback, she's glowing. And to think back on her struggles thinking she's not vibrant enough in MMM next to other girls... It really shows that she's having good time in new company and that they treat her well. Sorry for this rant, it's just that I've been a pretty active MooMoo back in the day and it breaks my heart to see RBW failing these 4 amazing talented gems. I really hope Byul opens her own company and they all ditch RBW.

[@LO-dm6uf]

Illella by Mamamoo really surprised in a GOOD way because i was expecting this kind of gogobebe/hip quirky sound and melodies but we got something different yet is STILL very much them.

[@npc9207]

You used love so sweet as the background music, nice! cherry bullet is one of my favorite groups

[@jennuary.]

i don’t care cause i don’t really “stan” idols like that but i truly like blackpinks music

[@danieldiaz615]

I think it's true that you don't have to listen to a whole discography to know of you like an artist or not, the title tracks are chosen based on which represents best the artist/album's sound, so if you're not into the main track of an album, you're just simply not gonna be that interested to check out the rest, specially if it's an artist you listen to casually, for me personally, if I don't like a title track, I will only listen to the album if it's an artist I really love, but other than that, is just a no for me and that's it Edit: I thought you were gonna talk about PENTAGON, I know they are not your cup of tea, but I love them personally, I just really enjoy their music, however it would be cool to hear your perspective on them

[@minfkitty3700]

i went to everglow concert yesterday 😭😭 i’m still shaking

[@everglowup]

Omg, hope you had fun!!! 🎉

[@minfkitty3700]

@@everglowup i did! thanks💗💗

[@boombayuna536]

i personally disagree with blackpink, this seems to be such a kpop community thing to say. there are many, many people who only got to know them/kpop in 2020 - now and a lot of them actually like and prefer their newer songs instead of their older ones when they react to and listen through their full discography. blackpink is one of the few groups where i almost enjoy every song - genuinely. the only exception would be ice cream (and maybe lisa's solo songs, i'm sorry my love).

[@bakedsoobs]

u can’t tell me ppl prefer their newer music over playing with fire, aiiyl, boombayah, whistle u just can’t. i was into kpop at the time and those were huge hits everyone was talking about them and still are and they rocked the award shows with their performances

[@boombayuna536]

@@bakedsoobs i'm being serious, there are tons of reviews on youtube, twitter etc. of people who didn't know anything about them and a lot of them prefer their newer stuff after they listened to everything. your comment is exactly what i meant, we as kpop stans experienced those early eras and they were indeed iconic. but for people who didn't it doesn't mean much like they don't see it because they don't have the connection and nostalgia. music taste is just different for everyone at the end of the day.

[@bakedsoobs]

@@boombayuna536 just bc they can’t understand the nostalgia doesn’t mean they can’t find it good tho. i feel ppl prefer their newer music bc “edm” music is what ppl prefer to listen to these days, a repetitive beat that gets stuck in ur head. i’m not a fan of that music, but to each their own. i just wish those fans had a chance to experience what bp was back in the day bc they were monster rookies

[@jemi_j]

Errrr. I don't agree with people saying BTS fell off. Because they're literally still in their prime. And it's funny because it's actually their English releases that opened massive doors for them. And made them gain much more fans. And their songs post the English songs are still BTS. I feel like majority of K-pop Stans are the ones that don't like the English releases. I was surprised at the fact that a lot of people that I know, actually know the songs. Those songs did so well. And in everything are their most successful songs.

[@nicole6429]

the fact that the majority of your KZbin account surrounds tearing down groups is concerning

[@Ryuoinsomnia]

Funny thing is BP's Born pink is their first album that got me into them, like I always want to get into them but sadly their music is completely out of my taste at all but Pink Venom, Shut Down and Ready for Love is really up my alley like i genuinely like it Edit : How is Vision a decline though....

[@cocomelon8117]

Omg I loved pink venom and shut down so much but the kpop community is full of BlackPink and blink antis they always hate on us for no reason and they always tell me that I am lying because its my favourite group's song 😭😭

[@Ryuoinsomnia]

@@cocomelon8117 if a non blink like me can tell u a song is good then that means its good because there isnt a bias, unless people say my taste suck

[@cocomelon8117]

@@Ryuoinsomnia same I have super unpopular taste for example hate songs that I like: Shut down Pink Venom Dice O.O Tank Lalisa And loved songs I don't like: Icy Pop Butter After like Talk that talk

[@cocomelon8117]

@@Ryuoinsomniabeing a blink is so tough literally us vs the whole kpop fandoms

[@KdramaTeen2705]

girl same I got hated so much for liking pink venom like its the worst song ever made😭😭 it has become my fav bp title track i love it

[@AtlantisBrooke]

Chungha is doing fine tbh. She'd be doing well if her company would promote and do what was needed. She's been waiting for the second half of her album to come out for 3 months now but the company just won't release it. She'd be huge still if they would just do something

[@aggu5477]

there are only so many songs that you can sing about "being the best" before it gets repetitive. yg needs to either let bp free or stop teddy from producing everything. my issue is yg lack of appreciation for their fans. some members come on only to promote as if don't even care anymore. it's as if they take their fans for granted and fans soak it up. they get nothing. nothing. they get happy over every little thing, that's bare minimal. not even communications or lives to hang with them (fans ask hybe groups to go on live, and they say ok give me a few days). six years and bp have less stuff than most 4th gen groups. that is just sad. also, the ending that one bp song, ratatatata.. like wtf is that even.

[@theyutazen]

I get the unappeal from NCT’s music from what people and mainly non nctzens say but what I feel like people forget, especially nctzens is that they would always complain about how kpop has gotten very generic and predictable but when a group like nct makes different music it gets trashed on. Like they would get trashed for songs like Touch, lots of people didn’t like it for being too basic. But when it comes to songs like Punch, sticker, superhuman etc. they get more trashed on. And it’s funny when people say that the best songs of nct were kick it, regular, or Boss when those songs are very basic and generic in melody and rhythm too. So how can you say something is generic but get mad when something is different and settle in with the basic stuff when just talking shit about it? NCT for a while had been experimenting with different sounds but it seems they settled on this noisy sound. They finally took the “neo” and “technology “ from their name and put it as their actual brand which is why we hear all these “new” (neo) and “futuristic/mechanic” (technology) sounds. It’s like nct can never satisfy kpop fans with their sound, not even their audience. Their music is not bad, ofc to each their own but considering what I explained about how kpop fans act towards kpop music, I don’t think it’s fair to consider NCT in this list. Especially when they do great in charts and numbers.

[@jjan3]

The thing with Blackpink that hurts me the most is the lack of passion. As a BTS fan who has dipped her toes in the Blackpink space, the difference is very stark. (This is not to start a fan war or anything this is just for point of comparison). BTS have a lot of passion for they’re art and their songs. Even during their English releases, BTS always put forth their all. Even if the lyrics weren’t super deep and meaningful like their other songs, they still sang every note with as much passion as possible. BTS (in my opinion) respect their fans time, efforts, and support. Blackpink do not (not from where I’m sitting at least). BTS communicate to ARMY when things change, like when they announced their change in schedule. Even if they don’t need to, BTS go out of their way to give their fan base more than we deserve and that resonates. I am by no means trying to say that Blackpink as people are selfish. What I am trying to explain is that bittersweet feeling towards the members, the group, and the BlackPink brand. I don’t think they need to go to the extent of BTS. There’s a reason why BTS is so huge and why they have such a strong and dedicated fan base. In fact, I don’t think many other groups should or even can replicate BTS’s devotion. BUT Blackpink’s lack of efforts, enthusiasm, or shits given especially during their promotions and stages, is just downright disrespectful. I don’t think Blackpink are selfish, but they are doing less than the bare minimum knowing that they’re fans will support them anyway, neglecting to take into account their fans who bought tickets and albums, who streamed their producer’s mediocre songs for hours on end to make sure they broke records, and fans who’s unwavering support allows them to get all the brand deals and buy all of their designer that they talk about so much. In return for all this support they couldn’t even do as much as to or pretend to give their all in their performances. I think Blackpink have abused their privilege and I can’t really even defend their place as the second biggest kpop act or as THE biggest kpop girl group anymore especially when looking at groups like Stray Kids, Red Velvet, Twice, etc. Groups who bring their entire asses to their projects and promotions with far less if any time off. I really hope you all understand what I’m trying to say and that I’m not trying to bash Blackpink but rather criticize them.

[@mollyasamoah-benefor524]

I think the issue here is that , you probably got into bts, or other groups before getting into BLACKPINK, and other groups probably do most, if not all of the things you said BLACKPINK doesn’t do, so you subconsciously/unconsciously associated that with all idol groups. I don’t work at YG, and I can’t tell you what happens there, but what I can tell you is that BLACKPINK has passion for what they do, and they really love their fans. Others may not see it, blinks see it, and that’s what matters to the girls.

[@jjan3]

@@mollyasamoah-benefor524 I’m happy for you. If you enjoy them, then I am in no position to tell you otherwise.

[@ak_16808]

@@jjan3 Actually, Blackpink has passion and loves blinks a lot. They wanted to meet blinks as much as possible, having comebacks, and write their songs so much that Jennie said she even kept a whole notebook full of lyrics and stuff. They can’t show it much because of YG’s control. They wanted to ‘bring their entire asses’, but YG doesn’t let them. When Jisoo,Jennie and the members finally got credited for Lovesick Girls and for other songs they were so happy about it. Thus, they did not ‘fall off’ because of the so called ‘not having much passion’. They also loved the blinks a lot and doesn’t treat them as ‘song streamers’ nor ‘endorsement buyers’. They did not abuse their privilege at all, but some people see it as the girls fault, because the company made them like so. Their songs are so called ‘mediocre’ by people because they didn’t have any control in writing lyrics and it’s YG and Teddy who made the songs. The girls have no choice but to follow them.

[@aquariusshade]

"And god knows what YG has hiding in their basement", when I tell you how much I hollered on that.

[@horses4555]

I don’t think any of these groups fell off, I just think the concept, specifically girl crush, was over-used and it just became boring and thus people have started to turn away from it. Same thing happened with cute concept with groups like SNSD, A-pink, TWICE, and Lovelyz and which is why groups like Blackpink became so popular when they did. The reason why groups like NewJeans are doing so well now is because it’s something that isn’t heard much. Now that they are gaining popularity, I can guarantee you that there will be hundreds of other groups copying them and that style since it’s the new trend. Eventually, it will become overdone and probably the cute concept, or sexy will come back and the cycle will go on and on again.

[@haquo]

I love loona for butterfly, stay because of solos and b-sides, and didn't really expect them to release another earth shattering titles after butterfly. I do dissapointed with so what and why not, but its fine when I got PTT and flip that. back into the topic of fell off, I understand orbits that expect them to release song similar to [++] and [xx] but I don't think they fell off yet especially with PTT. They just did what they have been doing from start, experimenting with new sound yet still had loona's feel to it. I might not like all of them, but loving more than half songs in each mini album sounds like a great deal for me even if I don't like the title.

[@Nameless_mixes]

Yay! Notifications squad! 🥳

[@FlowerArtzy24]

Yayyyy hello danny ❤❤

[@Nameless_mixes]

@@FlowerArtzy24 Hello, Aarti! 👋

[@cocomelon8117]

Nah calling a song terrible and saying that it only got views because its the artist popular is invalid. Just because you don't like a song it doesn't mean thats it is personally I loved both Lisa's solos and I still listed to them almost everyday If you don't like a song it doesn't mean its terrible for everyone. If lalisa only got views because of popularity why didn't ytc?

[@Amanda-ik1wv]

Appreciate the work and video, and I agree on pretty much all fronts. I hope to see these groups come back, I don't stan any of these groups, but I'd say I'm a casual listener. I haven't like a NCT 127 song since Superhuman or Highway to Heaven whichever came last but I can see they have potential, it's the same for all these groups though they work crazy hard so I hope they can come back!

[@Tygerian]

I think a lot of it comes down to expectations - anyone who's a fan has at least some expectations for every release, and when they're not met, unless the song is really good they'll be disappointed, even if that same song ends up drawing in new fans. Aside from things like sales or awards, how good a certain song is is subjective, e.g. some of the songs you mentioned as disappointments are some of my favorites from those groups (Visions for DC, Villain for PIXY).

[@sleepy_cricket]

i don’t know WHAT jyp thinks they’re doing with itzy honestly….i never stanned them, but they were a pretty outstanding group. you could see their talent in performing, the production value was amazing, their writers were really hitting, and now it just? you can’t see any of that anymore? the music feels kind of vague and generic, and god knows their title tracks lately haven’t shown off the girls’ talents at all. tracks like icy, while more out there, still slayed because the members shone, but with comebacks like sneakers and boys like you, they’re just not given anything to work with. and when your members don’t look impressive performing the songs, none of them are going to hit right - and they haven’t been

[@OldDannyDevito]

Blackpink should change their name to "Pick me girls" because their discography has become lots of pick me lyrics and flexing, that's the only thing they can do and its boring.

[@purrroki]

thank god i dont feel alone in thinking money and lalisa were the worst songs ever??? like theyre SO bad

[@DD-fh6uj]

Sis, you definitely aren’t the only one. I’m not sure if you’ve seen all the disappointed blinks commenting how they didn’t like Lalisa and money. And Lisa got an award for Lalisa •_0

[@purrroki]

@@DD-fh6uj idk i just saw how viral it went and how everyone and they left nut was learning the choreo and even non kpop locals being like "OmG tHiS iS mY jAm" like bitch please listen to rico nasty or megan and then go back to lalisa and you'll fucking cackle

[@Ash2theB]

I noticed the songs you don't like is repeative hook chorus songs. For example, I personally didn't mind Purple Kiss' Memem because of the concept is similar to Loco's Itzy. PK kept their dark concept and went for "going crazy" track aka what like call "Assa style" track. However, Itzy needs some help because WTH is up with their marketing team and AR. Chungha's Snapping and Replay kept momentum till was at her peak. But I think she's being stunted by her company and the economy. I agree with NCT tho funny enough bc I was why SMent "What is this?" I think you need to mention VIVIZ too hear too.

[@TomsMusicCorner]

VIVIZ just debuted and had 1 comeback (I don't know if this from the UNIVERSE app counts). So it doesn't count.