Ivan Milat: Australia’s Most Notorious Serial Killer

[@TheCasualCriminalist]

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[@DizzybyNature]

please dont upload the podcast before the video.. i now know this story and fast forward to the pics/ graphics.. just upload them on the same day so we can choose.. or not, who am i but a consumer with a thought about how it effects me..

[@chrislamond3854]

mmmm not such a great offer for people whom value their brain cells......

[@manaash4316]

I have a request for Jen - on the slides where people are introduced with pictures and their names, the background flashes bright and dark. It's really hard for this migraine sufferer, and I have to try to look away from the screen before it happens. Not sure why it's it's potent, but if you could make the flashy-flashy of those parts stop I would be eternally grateful 🙏

[@richardneedham13]

You ever heard an Australian apologize? Didn't think so..

[@steveh7409]

no good we need CALUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@jaye2491]

Simon pronouncing "Ute", short for Utility Vehicle, "Oot" is probably the funniest thing I have ever heard. 😂

[@bmogs1720]

🤣indeed, hilarious. Get in the oot!!! 🤣

[@jessicascoullar3737]

I came to comment on that too.

[@RusPitman]

Get oot the oot!

[@TheRedneckBudha]

Get to the oot! Even as an american I haven't laughed that hard in awhile

[@Cat_Fenn]

Omg yes!

[@MissCaraMint]

Paule Onions is a God Damn hero. Dude not only noticed the news from a totally different country, but also acted upon it. He then went back to Australia despite his PTSD making him super paranoid about it. That must have cost him. But he found the monster.

[@deathbycheese850]

He was tenacious in getting the attention of the Australian police, who are notoriously useless in some states. It took a lot of courage to come back here. I had a similar experience in my early 20's, and I would shake every time I had to walk past where it happened (it was midway between my house and town, so I couldn't avoid it), and could only walk past if someone was with me. Twenty years later, it still affects me, but it's manageable.

[@Dharmaville]

Plus his name is hilarious

[@DeidreL9]

He should receive an award in our honours list. Hero.

[@DeidreL9]

@@deathbycheese850have you had some counselling? You have PTSD and no wonder. This case touched me too, concerning a friend and his family. I still feel this random horror/fear thinking about it. I really wish you well❤️

[@Rebecca-zw4pm]

​@@deathbycheese850oh my goodness I am so sorry that happened to you. Sending you a virtual hug and peaceful thoughts. 🙏

[@charleemoss7271]

I had to go to a major hospital in 2019, and while waiting in a cubicle, an old man was wheeled down the corridor, strapped and handcuffed to his wheelchair, surrounded by prison security and wearing the typical prison uniform. My mum took one look and froze completely. When asked what was wrong, she turned to me and said "that was f*ucking Ivan Milat, I never thought they'd let him see the light of day again". I was within 10 meters of one of Australia's most famous serial killers.

[@SqueaksUofA]

Did you mean 2009, because Simon states he died in 2009 lol

[@SqueaksUofA]

Well, I just pulled it up myself and he died in 2019. Either a misread or typo I suppose.

[@PandaMonium92827]

You were probably one of the last people to see him alive who wasn't prison staff. Yikes.

[@lannamama2034]

He passed October 27th, 2019

[@thegreatpineapple2712]

You should of spat on him

[@sarcasticparody6582]

Simon in other videos “I’m a total coward” Simon on this video “I hitch hiked in Georgia” Sir that is ballsy

[@dsmithwc04]

He then proceeds to proclaim they are racists then immediately mimics a southern accent as if that is some sort of necessary trait of a racist. Love the channel and Simon is great presenter but damn he follows the yellow brick road on the left a bit.

[@dandylionsloth446]

@@dsmithwc04 lol nice reach but he likes doing accent and people in Georgia speak with a southern accent.

[@joshmosley]

@@dsmithwc04 bruh he was in Georgia, the racists he met probably sounded like that

[@RJ-wx3fh]

@@joshmosley well put. Georgians aren't said to all be racists, racists aren't even all southern, but he was imitating and mocking the Georgian racists he met.

[@EpiphanyDraws]

eh hes white hed be fine

[@stephenrule5984]

David did a great job on this episode. No problem with Callum getting a roommate in Simon's basement if that means there are more episodes!

[@docdavidbaker]

Thanks!

[@robertmockerman6523]

David, Callum, Danny, and allegedly Sam... Simon is going to need a bigger basement soon

[@SekhmetReverence]

@@robertmockerman6523 or more bunk beds

[@Evocatorum]

@@SekhmetReverence I thought Simon said something about boxes?..... Maybe his basement is more like a crypt with little coffin racks (Navy term) for them to sleep in.

[@cripplious]

@@Evocatorum Thats my head canon. They are racked in the basement. While Jen and the other women are using hammocks in the attic

[@noone3216]

For reference, Simon, I think the statistic I heard in school was that 85% of the population of Australia lives within 50km of the coastline. The closer to the centre you get, the less people you'll find.

[@Sporty12boy]

Correct the only state or territory capital that is not on the coast is Canberra! And living in Canberra we are only about a 2 hour drive from the coast!

[@4bidn1]

@@Sporty12boydamn you live in Canberra? Sorry to hear that homie ❤️

[@catoverlords9560]

​@@4bidn1😂😂😂

[@MEanPenguin908]

Isn't that true of the global population?

[@Talisguy]

​@@MEanPenguin908 Not to the same extent. Most of humanity lives close to the coast, most that don't live close to the coast live close to rivers, but Australia's interior is so big and so dry that it's much more true there than the global average.. The US is also massive and also has large areas of interior desert, and the coastal regions are much more densely populated, but the coasts are only home to about 40% of the US population. There are still large cities in inland regions, including some in deserts. That's not true in Australia at all. There's coastal cities, and then there's millions of square kilometres of empty desert in the middle occasionally broken up by the odd mining town.

[@biffyqueen]

The whole "we had a happy childhood" is classic in abusive families. With no outside reference children assume that what they experience is normal, or that other kids are just "spoiled". Even as adults, they look back at home with fondness because they are often in denial about it. My aunt calls her father "the best dad ever", my mom had stories of being smacked around and we were terrified of him. And the closing ranks is also normal. When I was a kid the idea of being taken away was for more terrifying than staying in a toxic environment. The parents also encourage this. My parents told us never to trust Social Workers cause they were just looking for innocent people to harass.

[@RejectedInch]

so sadly true. :(

[@suzbone]

Every word the truth

[@dandylionsloth446]

Yep! Also children in the same household can have different experiences. My siblings are 10 years older then me, my childhood was very different then theirs.

[@MissBlueEyeliner]

I’m 31, up until 2 years ago I used to say that I had a happy childhood and genuinely believed it. My childhood was so full of abuse and family was so dysfunctional that I didn’t know what “normal” looked like. I thought “oh, we went camping a few times, that means it was a good childhood and I was cared for.” We can lie to ourselves so easily.

[@MissBlueEyeliner]

@@dandylionsloth446 my brother is 11 years younger than me and 15 years younger than my sister. He was raised in a whole different era where my family suddenly had money and he just suffered a different kind of abuse. Interesting how times and social norms can change the kind of abuse people experience.

[@dwanpol-lovesdonuts]

Simon's storytelling style is actually a relief when relating these terrible people. Having a very human reaction to the monsters and the lower depths of humanity makes it much easier to endure.

[@monroerobbins7551]

Agreed. Plus, he voices what we’re thinking: they’re pieces of shit. And gives that human perspective about the victims’ cases, humanizing them, which I appreciate. Him and the writers are usually very respectful to the victims, and their memories.

[@Jaydaydesign]

I once worked for a man who was a true psychopath. He ran a medical service for state prisons. I asked him one day what was his favourite role/time in his career. He responded ‘working in palliative care’ as a nurse in charge. he still volunteered at nursing homes to sit with people who have no family so they weren’t alone in their final hours. This was because he found the whole death process fascinating, watching the life leave someone’s body was a “privilege” apparently. He was also intrigued by the strong emotions and the grief of relatives. ( because he felt none himself?) This man was definitely a potential serial killer who found an interesting way to function successfully in society yet still live out a serial killers fantasies without having to perform the actual murder act.

[@Samantha-tv4dz]

you didn't find such statements worth reporting to anyone, other than the people in a youtube video's comment section?

[@Jaydaydesign]

@@Samantha-tv4dz don’t worry, it was well reported on many levels and not just by me as he was an all round horrible man. I was the longest serving HR Manager he had ever employed - I lasted 11 months. I was told by him on my second day that I was only employed because the contract stated he had to have an HR manager. ( he would prefer to deal directly with unions than the his employees) I took that as a call to war. RegulRly had to go into his office to warn him he had overstepped the line with someone, he would shrug and head out to say all the right things to get himself off the hook and calm things down. Master manipulator.

[@ndcmt1609]

@@Samantha-tv4dzyou assumed a lot. WOW.

[@darrylschultz9395]

​@ndcmt1609 To be fair, they didn't accuse they asked, which is fair enough as the opening commenter didn't include whether or not they reported it.

[@lud3445]

David wanted to make his contribution known by breaking the record for longest episode of this channel, by a full 2 minutes. Can't wait for Callums response

[@ladycinimin]

I'm kinda new..lol what happened to Callum?

[@torijones5194]

Callum wrote 2 scripts that had to be split into 2 parts.

[@slayingroosters4355]

@@torijones5194 he also failed with the full 2 minutes because it was 1 minute 50 seconds longer 🤣

[@alyssagustafson2958]

@@ladycinimin they're trying to post videos on a more consistent schedule to help with sponsors, so Callum is probably just too busy this week to be able to get out a script so they had another writer who's worked with them before write this week's story.

[@roscojenkins7451]

@@ladycinimin he is too.... In the basement

[@IntrepidFraidyCat]

Yup, the cold-read is a major part of this show's charm. The Australian woman who skinned her boyfriend (? husband)...Simon was truly freaked out and I couldn't help but laugh.

[@ASHl33164]

Love your Kitty with the pearl earring picture lol

[@monroerobbins7551]

And pissed. He was SO shocked

[@patriciahenderson2096]

That woman is" bat shit crazy"

[@Humanh8red]

Katherine Knight!

[@taraized]

I'm gonna watch that video again after this is over, his outrage is hilarious

[@andreagriffiths3512]

As an Aussie I was wondering what poor Simon would make of the ‘epilogue’. I wish he’d been on camera when he found out. The Milat family are deeply disturbing. There was a documentary that went through all possible missing persons cases and they came up with quite a number of possible victims. It’s truly horrific.

[@furryblue6377]

The Milats are quite a complex bunch for sure. The connections and condoning of savage crimes by other family members is quite scary.

[@emilyrln]

@@furryblue6377 The family's reaction is honestly one of the scariest parts of it to me. Given the glut of evidence, if just one of them had gone to the police, multiple people would still be alive. To turn a blind eye… *shudders* Also the spine severing is pure nightmare fuel.

[@bogansrun]

Also quite a few alive and descendants have changed their names, moved and married into other families without being too open to extended family about it. If you're an East coast Aussie, you do have to ask yourself, are you a Milat....

[@bentulk2852]

Ivan’s daughter worked at my local supermarket with some of my mates working there too, she left about 2 years ago now but always denied her father did anything wrong and was innocent despite the litany of evidence

[@dyslexicboogaloo]

I love the frustration in Simon’s voice as he reads that they recorded the crime on a phone and I laughed out loud when he rubbed his eyes like he just gave up.

[@sse_weston4138]

I don't think that was so much frustration as it was disgust at the inhumanity of it all. Hence why he didn't read the details of it

[@haroldz2323]

Yeah I think Simon only can take so much detail. Simon is a self professed coward after all. Still love the show though!

[@dyslexicboogaloo]

1:12:25 I agree with you both but after he mentions previously that he must have stated 80 times in this episode that you don’t tell people about your crimes I think he’s legitimately frustrated at the blatant disregard of Casual Criminalist Pro Tips. That’s the beauty of the cold-read. He’s finding out the details at the same time as the audience and his voice trailing off as he says the word “phone” is one of my favourite reactions. It’s right up there next to his bewildered response to the Amazon Review Killer’s mom trying to defend a rape charge with the fact that he walked the victim home after. Anyways, there’s a timestamp so check it out for yourself. The sound he makes while rubbing his eyes is priceless.

[@glors4jc]

I love that David didn’t think Simon would need a pronunciation guide for “UTE” 😂

[@docdavidbaker]

Honestly thought it would be too patronising. Lmao.

[@ChristinaMaterna]

Or Milat 🤣

[@theConquerersMama]

How is it pronounced?

[@ChristinaKathleenMaterna]

@@theConquerersMama You-teh (just pretend you're swallowing during the eh, it's tech not pronounced, but gives the t sound req)... another description is [yo͞ot]. It's short for "UTility vehicle" and is said as per the start of the word!

[@theConquerersMama]

@@ChristinaKathleenMaterna thank you.

[@SummerDragoness]

Yeah, esophageal cancer is extremely painful. I lost my mom to it in 2020 and I spent 24/7 with her in ICU for almost a month and....it was definitely difficult for me to hold strength for her (But I did, thanks to my antianxiety meds). She spent almost 5 weeks intubated, she couldn't stand, wore a diaper, had to be turned in her bed multiple times a day, had daily radiation and weekly chemo, feeding tube, lost her sense of self while on morphine and other medications, and required constant monitoring just in case her brain decided it was time to get infuriated and rip all the tubes and IV's out. Eventually the intubation tube came out, she was weaned off the morphine, was starting to do really well (the cancer was receding), but in the end it came back and she chose to be put into a medically induced coma rather than experience a very, very excruciating death. All in all she was in ICU for about 2-ish months. I only say this because I know you absolutely corrected yourself about your thoughts on this, but at the same time even though it has been deeply engrained into my memory, I also have to lean in the same direction that murderers to this degree and higher, deserve worse than what my mother experienced.

[@felicitybywater8012]

I'm sorry your mother went through so much pain. I'm not sorry that scumbag Ivan Milat went through it.

[@somehaloguy9372]

Your mother didn't deserve this. And you absolutely didn't deserve to have to watch her go through every second of it. However, I will say that knowing how horrible dying like this is even when under 24 hour surveillance with medical attention and help, that gives me hope that maybe the prison staff didn't bother even trying to lessen his pain

[@gracew2582]

​​@@somehaloguy9372knowing aussie police and what they do behind the bars Ivan definitely had a few over the top of him during his death and they would have been telling him and tormenting him that whole time trust he was very hated

[@meagharooni223]

My mother refused to hitch-hike with Ivan, she had just arrived in Australia and was hitch-hiking to explore Australia. She stated she got weird vibes from him and refused, got in the next car who offered. It was the same day that Peter Letcher was last seen. She only told me a couple of years ago when there was a documentary on the TV. She said he seemed charming as he offered to 'give her a ride" but to her his eyes were dark and just sent alarm bells ringing. It just stayed with her ever since when his picture was first plastered in the news when he was arrested that she dodged a bullet that day. She remembers the date clearly because it is the same day of her brother's birthday and when Peter Letcher went missing. She's only spoken about it two other times but it does still haunt her.

[@kylieshaye6562]

That comment made my blood run cold. Always trust your gut.

[@PaddyDanes]

Wow! Interesting story, Meag

[@derp195]

Putting "narrowly avoiding a serial killer" on my bucket list.

[@Tanit1000]

She dodged something far more horrific than a bullet! Peace to you and your mom who was obviously meant to be here and tell her story! ❤️

[@richardtherichard26]

“Yea my mom remembers this clearly but not until we watched a documentary about the murderer. Only then did she ever recall a single detail including the mere fact it happened” 😂😂😂 yea ok bud. I’m sure you and mom both are the most reliable of sources

[@kingaleila]

Simon: * suggests to not watch the video alone * Me: * listens to it completely alone while I pack and get ready to travel across my country by train, to visit my parents who live in a village (currently counting 74 inhabitants) in the middle of the woods * Me: this is fun. This is a good idea.

[@zaneandre6387]

Lawl, IKR!

[@sic5168]

Always watch alone

[@WouldntULikeToKnow.]

Hope you've had a safe trip!

[@kingaleila]

@@WouldntULikeToKnow. thanks, I had a great time, everything was fine😊

[@vexile1239]

You're crazy... hope your parents are well

[@kelli-annbetti2745]

Love your work Simon (and David, Callum and the rest of the writers!) As an Australian growing up in the 80s/90s, this case still sends a chill down many of our spines. But you really did retell it well, with the necessary gore and horror, but still in a respectful way. Also the pronunciation of "ute" is my most favourite thing of all time. Brings me back to the good ol' days when Dad would put us kids in the back of the ute (no seats, let alone seatbelts), drive us to the pub, he'd bring us out a can of lemonade each and a pack of salt & vinegar samboy chips to share, and we'd wait while he drank a few middies with his mates, before driving us home probably well over the limit. Ahh, the good ol' days haha. If you're looking for another Australian story to tell, check out the Claremont Serial Killer - it basically paralysed Perth in the late 90s.

[@isabellrose]

Samboy salt and vinegar are the best chips ever ! Wow your comment took me back😂

[@ATLmodK]

Part of what makes this podcast:/KZbin channel so successful is the constant reminder that people with ethics are horrified by true crime, but feel enormous satisfaction when the perp is caught

[@RJ-wx3fh]

I'm not usually a fan of commentary, but Simon's asides are, as you've mentioned, a humanising reminder of the crimes' horrific nature. I personally also like the slight dark humour and distraction of his stream of consciousness asides. It makes the perpetrator seem ridiculous rather than a venerated villain, and he makes a point of giving the victims a reverent sentiment. I'd hope the wider retelling of true crime stories may give opportunity for someone to notice a sign and raise an alarm too.

[@TeemoQuinton]

@@RJ-wx3fh more or less. His bloodlust is incredibly distressing to me.

[@SaraBanartist]

Me: "oh shit, an Australian serial killer, like in Wolf Creek." Later on Me: "WAIT, THIS IS THE WOLF CREEK GUY!"

[@ktbela86]

I spent the entire video waiting for Simon to have a similar reaction, like "this sounds like a horror movie", only to then freak out when he reads "Milats crimes were the basis for the 2005 horror film Wolf Creek" further into the script.

[@罗一虎]

Some of the victims were searched for in the Australian version of the video "Runaway Train" from "Soul Asylum"

[@nagriffin3561]

The seventies, eighties and nineties were a time when transients (backpackers, hitchhikers) often went missing in Ozland. Some were cases of idiot tourists getting lost in the outback. Many were just assumed to be the former. There's no way one murderer could be responsible for all the murdered travellers. Wolf Creek was based on a number of cases.

[@SaraBanartist]

@@nagriffin3561 "The more you know" 🌈🌈

[@Hollyberrystreats]

Ok, I thought spine severing in Australia sounded familiar...

[@TonyEmond]

Your hitchhiking story reminds me of the time I went to Lincoln (UK). The local youth hostel was closed until a certain hour in the afternoon so I was standing by the door wondering what to do, when someone local saw me and invited me to his house for a cup of tea. I'm a man of solid build so I thought "why not". As soon as I entered the man's house the disarray inside gave me a good reason why not but by this time I was already in. The man gave me a cuppa and then started going on about how Hitler was misunderstood... and that was a very quick cuppa from that point on.

[@pottsniffgrond8488]

Calling a 'Ute' an 'Oot' got me 😂, this is why they call us Nigels, Simon.

[@boglenight1551]

@@t.b.5115 I don’t even know what a Nigel is, sounds relatively tame

[@crazyeyez1502]

Simon, as a Brit, gets alot of things way off. But we still love the golly ol chap. 🇺🇲🇬🇧

[@longboardfella5306]

It was a “hoot” hearing Simon say “oot”. Seriously funny. A relief from the bleak story for me at least

[@pottsniffgrond8488]

@@t.b.5115 I feel like C*nt has seeped into British slang mostly cos of the Bruces in the upside down 🤙.

[@sirkmurphy7592]

The oot made my day and will be calling utes, oots from this day forward. Ivan Mill- At, was just awful so I'm not going to change it to Millet though lol.

[@aliceklein9209]

Simon: This is going to be a long episode, look how thick the script is! Also Simon: 7 million tangents xD

[@Wookiee925]

As it should be 🥰

[@sandraoxford883]

I love his tangents 😆😆 and his nose laugh 🤣

[@jamesyaun]

Simon, I was picked up hitchhiking in 1996 by Gary Ridgway the Green River Killer. I escaped from him and called the police. The uniform officer that came laughed at me and completely blew me off... years later (2003?) After he was caught but before the trial. I talked with a lead investigator that got him, who said they did not need me then, because they had DNA, but in 1996 when it happened. He had been updating every office and personally updating uniform officers and he said it was a major slip of the officer and I could have help catch him, and that Gary killed 3 more girls after 1996. It still chills me, even though he never killed a man. He was gross and soo chillingly horrible.

[@audreyr.johnson8965]

Aw, it's so sweet how Simon's constitution is a tad delicate for true crime, yet he soldiers on for the entertainment of his morbid, soulless audience. Good man, Fact Boi.

[@BohoStitcher]

It is entirely adorable when he gets all human and spongey on us. Well done, Simon! 💞

[@emmarichardson965]

Simon: What would a 34-year-old and a 16-year-old even talk about?! Me: Fact Boi, a 30-something marrying a 16-year-old isn't interested in conversation. Simon: Oh, they had 14 kids. Maybe they weren't doing much talking.

[@JPKyle-ro3sn]

Super glad TCC is covering this serial killer. Just for further context, from the end of WW2 up to approximately the 1980's, if you were an unmarried woman who was pregnant, there was a very high chance that your child would be stolen from you and sold to parents who wanted to adopt. This was organised within the government, it involved nurses and social workers, and it didn't matter if you were a legal adult, and it sometimes didn't matter if the family were happy to keep the child. Some women were lied to and were told that their child had died, or nurses held women down with pillows and just took the child. So if you're wondering why a pregnant teenage girl might marry a much older man, that could be a factor to consider

[@knownanonymous8802]

On the issue of the death penalty: I'm not against it in principle for the most extreme cases, like for serial killers or perpetual sex offenders that have been convicted beyond a shadow of a doubt. The problem is there have been too many cases where innocent people (who were found innocent after the fact) have been put to death, where at the time of their trial SEEMED to be 100% guilty. In theory, capital punishment is appropriate. In practice, however, mankind is too flawed and prejudiced to be given that level of authority over his kin.

[@fearoffema]

I like to think of 'life in prison' as a very slow execution with the maximum chance to correct any possible mistakes.

[@jpy8]

All people who are convicted are supposedly done so beyond a shadow of a doubt, yet there are many cases of innocent people being sent to jail.

[@kalahariosborne3282]

In Ukraine and russia. Life in prison is worse than the death penalty. People there wish for the death penalty.

[@joggingscissors632]

@@kalahariosborne3282 In Soviet Russia, gifts open you.

[@martinh2783]

@@kalahariosborne3282 But it is reversible. Or at least more reversible that death.

[@JJadx]

i used to not believe psychopaths where this charming but then my grandpa got brain damage and successfully convinced several doctors that he was definitely fine... people are so easily manipulated by confidence.

[@PeaceLoveHonor]

Very true.

[@droomzy]

like the classic phrase says, "fake it til you make it." frequently all you have to do is fake it in front of others & they'll think you've made it

[@dillongage]

................ this was a really badly phrased comment. It comes off like you just said your grandfather is a psychopath.

[@JJadx]

@@dillongage he was

[@TeemoQuinton]

@@JJadx got a formal diagnosis or you just not like him? Cause the doctors hold more weight than you

[@morgans6832]

Fun fact that know one asked for. My grandfather actually worked with Milat (not in Balangelo) they would drive trucks and build roads. My grandfather has dementia, but when I asked him about Milan he said “yea yea, ad man he was, take people up to the bush”. His dementia is really bad and therefore him remembering Milat was extremely unusual.

[@rosiejl2798]

I grew up in Newcastle and the rumor I heard was he burided bodies under the roads being constructed.

[@thegreatpineapple2712]

​@@rosiejl2798 I have heard that aswell do you know where supposedly in Newcastle?

[@rosiejl2798]

@@thegreatpineapple2712 no sorry I dont know which exact roads. However there were 3 separate girls (Robyn Hickie, Leanne Goodall and Amanda Robinson) who went missing off the pacific highway in newcastle within 4 months of each other in 1979 who were never found. Sadly they were chalked up as runways at the time so their disaperences were not investigated until years later. Millat was working for the roads in Newcastle at the time and it is quite possible he was responsible for at least some of their disaperences. I do think he worked with at least one of his siblings for at least some of the killings especially with the evidence of multiple angles and guns in the 90s killings.

[@MilleniumNemesis]

Oh yes your "narrative reaction" is a big part of this show's charm for me! It's great! Thanks for another great vid Simon 😁

[@nathantuff8814]

The UK does have some time limits, I finally reported my step dad for (non sexual) child abuse about 20 years after the fact and the police simply logged it as an assault on his record and said they'd only act on it if he hurts another child in future. Debatable whether that's good or not, and I'm probably too biased to judge. I should stress my abuse didn't turn me into a murderer. Allegedly.

[@danieljones9937]

There is a Limitation Act in the UK but it applies to civil law, not criminal law. IANAL but I suspect what happened in your case was that they did not think the charge would stand up in court on its own, but would bear it in mind if any further similar allegations are made. What sucks is from what you said, they aren't going to investigate themselves whether anyone else /has/ been assaulted.

[@nathantuff8814]

@@danieljones9937 the same thought crossed my mind, but their explanation seemed to suggest it was a limitation thing. Not standing up in court wouldn't be an issue, the guy literally admitted it in writing to me.

[@danieljones9937]

​@@nathantuff8814 Hmmm. Sounds like their explanation was of the we-don't-care-and-just-don't-want-to-do-anything variety. Police really do, on various occasions, suck. :(

[@jackdenihan5333]

There is still time 🤔

[@RealElongatedMuskrat]

that's bloody awful man, I'm so sorry.

[@amberkat8147]

Honestly you cold reading the script is one of the best parts of the show, your honest reactions are very satisfying. I just told my mom about you- my Dad's a fan, but somehow my mom and brother hadn't heard of you yet. (They live together, my family's just really bad at communicating things.) Also, we love your rambling. If we didn't why are we all still here?

[@NobletheSavage]

Hurrah , another sponsor who's script Simon will ignore and still be the best salesman of all time .

[@lwsa1112]

As an Aussie, I knew what the end would be….sorry Simon, the nephew thing was horrific as was the whole thing. But on the bright side, I don’t mind your mispronunciations…..they make me giggle…😘💐👍

[@dandylionsloth446]

When he mentioned the Nephew changing his name I was like "please get family therapy, it should have already been done." Then that . . . depressing and I feel like an ass for saying it but if a family produces one murder and does nothing to change the family dynamic then a second one isn't a surprise. Not that I have room to cast stones as an American, from what I understand the stigma around mental health care is the similar in Aus even if "regular" health care is universal.

[@lukeoxley7548]

Uhhh Simon, I am a 21 yr old Australian and I was taught how to use a gun from the age of 6 or 7 as well. It's very common in regional Australia for the children of parents with guns to learn how to use said firearms from a young age. Mainly so that if a kid finds an unsecured firearm, they don't play cops and robbers with it and kill someone by accident.

[@pullt]

FYI...the "oot" we hear Simon mention is actually ute as in "utility"... Traditionally, it was a car with a bed on it like what in America would be a Chevy El Camino or Ford Ranchero, but typically these days is simply what a pickup truck is called....

[@MuseEgo]

me wincing every time he says 'oot' lmao

[@_CharStar_]

Haha yeah I was saying to myself "yoot" Simon, yooooot

[@johayes7529]

The beauty of the ute was that you could root in the back with the tailgate down! It's cramped in the new ones!

[@tonyclarke7151]

At least there are no Emu's in the story.

[@charliekezza]

And "bath hurst" instead of bathust

[@heathcliffO_o]

The scene opens on a dark and dank basement. Down the steps the approach of a brooding and maniacal content creator can be heard as he descends into his home made hellscape of a prison. The chained and shackled writers all panic, they know he has come for another episode of the casual criminalist but the indentured writer for that project, Callum, has escaped. The content creators eyes sweep over the crowd of terrified would be art majors and columnists. After a moment his eyes turn dark with rage as he realizes that the one he's hoping them to land on...isn't there. "Sir?" A voice calls out from the deepest shadows in the basement. "I wrote a script, please, don't punish us." The content creator turns towards the cowering mass of shadows, he slowly walks over and takes the script from the ramshackle table the poor prisoner calls a desk. He glances it over and without a word heads for the stairs. As he is about to take the first step one of the writers cries out."Sir?" They are always careful to show respect, "where is our food sir?" The dark glint in the content creators eyes betrays the Glee his bland expression hides well....."Ask Callum" To be continued in a future casual criminalist comment section.

[@docdavidbaker]

Hahahahahaha.

[@anikajain571]

Brilliant 👏 love it

[@BurningBrightly]

Well, now I know which new writer will join the basement crew... (run Heathcliff while you still can!)

[@gomahklawm4446]

Reminds me of those awesome bonkers comments on some of the Business(now brain) Blaze videos.

[@jessicaclakley3691]

What a fantastic set up

[@aprosper]

You hit the charm thing right on the head there Simon. I won’t even really like true crime stuff but I watch the heck out of this cause I love your cold read format.

[@ceirwynsinclair]

I have a feeling Simon really needed a drink after this episode... Good thing he has the right sponsor!

[@pinkpirate5]

I was rewatching this episode today and thinking about Boris Milat. It might be since he was wronged so badly by his brother with his affair it snapped him out of the excuses you make for those you care about around you when they do wrong. So while the other siblings refuse to believe it... he could see things more for what they were.

[@boglenight1551]

10:50 Ivan Milat’s murders (1989 - 1993) happened before the Port Arthur Massacre (1996), the Port Arthur Massacre is the event that motivated gun regulation. It’s possible that some of the cars may have had guns in them.

[@Charles_Anthony]

I bet you guys wished you didn't give up your guns with all the draconian crap going on in your country.

[@taranullius9221]

​@@Charles_Anthony I bet you're a single white male weeb that doesn't know what they're talking about and spends all their time watching ridiculous right-wingers like Ben Shapiro and Candace Owens and thinks minor regulation is Communism. That's what I bet.

[@boglenight1551]

@@taranullius9221 I bet you’re right

[@Charles_Anthony]

@@taranullius9221: I had a great career until our over regulated industry was choked to death by clowns lobbying for electronic hitchhiking. You can run your mouth, but you have no idea what is in store for this world during the next decade. I have food stocked up and my family is ready, you are not. Also, Ben Shapiro doesn't have the stones to discuss the real issues.

[@CBass-mn5dy]

@@taranullius9221 minor regulation? Lol. Keep drinking the cyanide Flavor-aide.

[@Seanii9323]

I grew up a few hours from the forest where this happen (in Albury) A girl I went to school with was cousins with the Milats. Her family thought the whole Milat clan were super weird. Simon's pronunciations are killing me 🤣 it took me a second to understand what he was trying to say

[@Musikur]

I thought it hillarious that David put in the pronounciations, but didn't bother with ute, and Simon pronounced it in just the wrong way 😂 Still, it's not as bad as when you have German people named Ute come to Australia, I cringe so bad when someone calls them ute 🙈

[@JonPITBZN]

"I'm a huge cocktail fan, I'm a huge wine fan, I'm a huge beer fan, anything, I love it." Simon is my spirit animal.

[@saradapagediocletian9707]

"I'm surprised I didn't get murdered" Yup that's me after every liquor fuelled hook-up 🤣

[@theresamix6926]

😅

[@taragray859]

You guys seriously do the best podcasts. I’m from Sydney and I have heard this case so many times and even been into the forest! but had to watch yours as you do it so well! (Just an fyi he died in 2019 not 2009 ;)) Love your work!!

[@cericat]

One of those obituaries I read with relish. Not a person many mourned.

[@bilindalaw-morley161]

David, all of our giggles at "oot" doesn't detract from appreciating a stellar writing job, with excellent research. Kudos

[@TheGCSummers]

It's the cold read and the tangents/reactions for me. It's very very rare to find a true crime show that the host shows proper emotion as after a while of this like in any job dealing with trauma/death you get desensitised and going through the case with someone who is emotive and shows true empathy is just the best fresh air in this genre.

[@thelyrebird1310]

David, I'm still waiting for you to totally gross out Simon with the Snowtown bodies in the barrels murders.

[@docdavidbaker]

Hmmm. Duly noted!

[@jeffreyhill1011]

Is Snowtown an Aussie thing? If so is it pronounced snow-ton or snow-town? As an American I only really am familiar with the Brit way of X-town pronouncing. EDIT: David please never tell Simon how to say Ute for the live of God that shit is hilarious

[@catheydaniel6952]

@@jeffreyhill1011 Snow Town.

[@Bluesit32]

Oof. That was a nasty one. Bunch of brutal bigots, if I recall correctly...though I think it was more of an excuse than actual hatred.

[@foxmccloud6979]

That. Would be quite something interesting. As a lot of the Murders happened within Adelaide's Northern Suburbs. And is quite the dark chapter in South Australian History. That. And maybe the Beaumont Children too.

[@desdes5622]

One dude that studied "psychopath" brains actually found his own brain had the structures. It was found that a loving upbringing that taught empathy meant they didn't become psychopaths. Nurture over nature.

[@Maleni143]

I saw that documentary, it wasn’t that they don’t become psychopaths, it’s that they don’t become murderers, or criminals. I remember he and his family said, that some of his behaviors made sense when they found out. Very interesting.

[@ayumikuro3768]

Cool. A study on the nursing behavior of rats showed that bad nursing behavior leads to an epigenetic modification which changes serotonin receptors in the offspring. This would then be inherited by their offspring, which resulted in them having a lot less stress tolerance. Another study on the brains of people who commited suicide found the same changes in serotonin receptors. So nuture can also influence nature. The whole nature vs nurture debate pretty much is obsolete since epigenetics shows that they are inherently linked.

[@SKMunt]

This was a massive story. I was 11 when they started digging up the bodies and the whole country was horrified and hanging out for updates. This and Martin Bryant’s massacre in Port Arthur were defining moments in Australian history.

[@gunjarman420]

Port Arthur has a pretty dark history

[@vexile1239]

Unfortunately (consp iracy time) some people in Australia are beginning to believe the gover nment had him to do it to make the people give up their ability to defend themselves from an increasingly authoritarian gover nment and protect themselves from an increasingly corrupt pol ice force

[@carlturner8863]

@@vexile1239 can you clarify please

[@gangstagarf]

@@vexile1239 And it's disgusting. People claiming the government orchestrated it are just shitting on the victims.

[@vexile1239]

@@gangstagarf and why do you think I said "unfortunately"?

[@adventurecats4816]

There was a film made in 2005 that was based on this case, "Wolf Creek." I watched it once, over 10 years ago, and it was so horrifying that I still twig out over it. I love Casual Criminalist, and Simon's unique presentation, and the writing is always brilliant.

[@ktbela86]

I sat down to watch that with my sister in the middle of the day. I didn't last very long into it though before I had to walk away because the thought of it being based on an actual case just creeped me out too much.

[@nikkinyx5745]

Wolf creek was what ignited my hatred of torture porn movies

[@alterzus]

Now, this little procedure is called "making a head on a stick". Because once your spine's shattered right... Well that's what you are, eh? Head on a stick!

[@adventurecats4816]

@@alterzus Still gives me the heebie-jeebies.

[@adventurecats4816]

@@nikkinyx5745 Same here.

[@noskillant6168]

One thing i have come to love since i just started watching these casual criminalist episodes is the different writers for the script, brings in a different view in a sense, even if its just presenting information found.

[@crazyeyez1502]

As a Yank, i know that i may be wrong, but im pretty sure "UTE" is pronounced as 'yout' as in "UTility" Basically, what us yanks call a pickup truck.

[@boglenight1551]

Not wrong, very correct. There’s a good yankee boi, you can have a treat now.

[@crazyeyez1502]

@@boglenight1551 🤣 thanks mate

[@bmogs1720]

Spot on mate.

[@laurenmentink7401]

60 Minutes Australia covered this story with interviews with the brother, his wife, and others in the family. You have done a wonderful job with it.

[@bethbluebird5727]

Ivan is one of the reasons why hitchhiking is a huge no-no in Australia. I remember my parents being scared when this was happening, even though we were near the boarder of NSW and QLD. Also a bit of trivia, the C word is commonly used in Australia when joking with mates or in arguments 😅

[@wynstonsmyth6425]

The C word is used universally in Australia to describe someone or something that is either good or bad.

[@docdavidbaker]

Here, here!

[@SnoopReddogg]

The use of a prefix is an all important indicator in it's employment. Example: Top C%%t, is Wynston.... but Ivan is a c%%t

[@littlemissgumflette3204]

My reaction to the "C" word was very much akin to Simon's, that was until I learned of it's true definition ie a scabbard or sheath of dagger or sword. Then it seemed to lose a lot of it's edge, pun unfortunately not intended, but more of a happy accident 😁

[@aliviatabb1386]

Wow, you learn something new every day 😳

[@Bluesit32]

"Good"? I can't imagine how it could be considered a good thing.

[@ArakDBlade]

I've lived most of my life in Georgia - horrific racism followed by friendly invitations to a barbecue pretty well sums up the rural parts.

[@ChristinaMaterna]

Exactly the same for many parts of country Aus 🤷‍♀️🤦🤣

[@MsChlosmom]

¹pp4

[@Crowwalker100]

horrific racism? I grew up here and have never seen it. I grew up in a black neighthood, my high school was 70% black. I do not know who you are mixing with but they are expectations.

[@paulanderson6834]

Unlike virtue signalling, barbecue is of use when you're in need.

[@WouldntULikeToKnow.]

Yeah, the BBQ is usually the KKK meeting 😬

[@karenjarrett8904]

Simon, love your channels and especially when you go off on a tangent. I prefer to call them verbal scenic routes. Keep up your good work.

[@spiketail94]

Simon the live spinal severing is so unsettling because you lose agency over your body. In these situations your fight or flight instincts would be screaming at you to do something, ANYTHING, but you can't. It's simply impossible for your body to properly do what you want no matter how much you will it to. Not many things are more horrifying than the sudden removal of the ability to defend yourself or run in the face of someone like Milat.

[@marlonmarquez4798]

You’d think you’d lose all your feeling as well from improvised Spike surgery.

[@ItsLarry-bq3bi]

​@@marlonmarquez4798I've worked with people with spine injuries and they couldn't feel anything. In my experience at least. Obviously I don't know if that's how it is for all spine injuries.

[@jordanwilliams9300]

The cold read is my favorite part of my favorite channels from you. NEVER change it 💜

[@tinypants7895]

Simon- English lad " I do not like the C word " Me - Scottish lass " That's my favourite word "

[@aureliadestiny2482]

Who hoo!! You’re doing Ivan Milat! I live in Australia and despite his being really known here, even though it was decades ago, pretty much anybody of any age will know him. I love how in-depth The Casual Criminalist is for each killer.

[@jordanaethelric2614]

I changed my last name in dissociation with my family, they were not infamous, just nasty people. The name felt grating everything time it was spoken in full and constantly tied me to a past I hated.

[@crystalratclffe3258]

I did the same thing in 1976 when moved to California from Massachusetts. I changed first name.

[@Kitsudote]

And now David has become a staple part of this show!

[@docdavidbaker]

You're darn tootin!

[@Kitsudote]

@@docdavidbaker Holy sh*t, didn't expect a reply by you! Keep rockn'!

[@docdavidbaker]

@@Kitsudote I re-listened after 2.5 years. Don't remember writing any of this.

[@rachelwitherspoon4394]

I personally love the stream of consciousness way Simon does Casual Criminalist cold reads!! Would LOVE it if all his episodes were at least an hour long lol! 11:27 to 11:36. Also, why paralyze BEFORE the torture? Being that kind of paralyzed means you cant feel anything from the damage point down, so to speak, so I dont get that particular order of events.

[@TheChronozoan]

Me too! I listen to his videos before bed each night and it's so relaxing

[@mikeygallos5000]

@@TheChronozoan Try his new channel "Decoding the Unknown ". It's like this channel except less murdery.

[@FoxDragon]

Agreed. My husband and I watch/listen to all of his channels. Well, I don't think my husband listens to this one, Decoding the Unknown or Into The Shadows, he's not as into the creepiness, but I love them. Will 100% listen to an hour or more

[@Bluesit32]

The numbness probably keeps the victim from passing out and there's a certain horror in a person seeing themselves be cut up even if they don't feel it.

[@fiveftzombie]

Ivan's brother, Boris moved to my very small home town in 2000s, possibly even late 90s, my brother went to school with his nephew, I remember my neighbour came over asking my dad and I to sign a petition to make Boris leave. I told her, no, he has a right to be here, that there was no evidence his brother had anything to do with it and had basically, disowned Ivan.

[@dillongage]

I mean..... not that it would matter either way. Petitions might be able to sway companies and private businesses, but the government doesn't work like that. They can't force someone to relocate based on a petition. If they can, your government needs serious reform.

[@1dg4fk_lilly24]

I’m a new subscriber, and I found your channel and storytelling at least a little bit less overwhelming and I could finish the whole video and story without being too disturbed and anxious. I’m a fan of true crime, but couldn’t stomach explicit and detailed descriptions of what was done to the victims.

[@tradingfriends]

Simon, this was driving me NUTS during the original ep it was mentioned in too. Gun safety classes for children are for children that live in a household with guns. They're to prevent tragic accidents, it has NOTHING to do with kids owning the guns. I'm in the northeast and even at my school we had someone come in to explain basic gun safety rules which were literally "assume it's loaded, don't touch it, find an adult."

[@seregiel9541]

Yeah, not a gun household but there are enough accident stories of: wasn't locked up properly, kid messed around, kid or other person got shot. Best practice is to store guns the correct way if you get them but people are fallible/ idiots/ cocky.

[@kurtilein3]

Not commonly known because nothing much goes wrong, but Germany has a shitload of guns, not as much as the USA but its a lot. The rules for storage and transportation are super strict, there are random inspections, guns are registered, you need a safe to have a gun at home and you are screwed and lose your license if it is ever outside of the safe in a ready-for-use state. Like you literally cannot transport a gun and ammunition at the same time. Many people who like to shoot have their guns in a private safe at the gun range and these guns never leave the facility. USA gun culture is just crazy fucked up, teaching children about gun safety is not a solution, its madness.

[@ryanroberts1104]

Yeah, nobody is just "giving 11 year olds guns" randomly. You missed the point Simon. It is perfectly acceptable for an 11 year old to go on a hunting trip with his grandpa with a .22 rifle, as an example. A highly supervised environment. and if they do that, a responsible parent will teach gun safety also. Did Simon not claim to have some kind of range target shooting at school after being in some sort of "cadet" program? Again, that does happen, and those kids should know gun safety before target shooting, obviously. Nothing wrong with letting a kid try a small firearm in a range under supervision after proper training. It's not just an American thing. Teaching about safety and "giving them a gun" are two entirely opposite things. Simon is an example of why british style gun laws are bad, they produce people with no realistic concept of gun ownership and usage.

[@dandylionsloth446]

@@ryanroberts1104 Dude, people are, I grew up in the south and I'm sorry to say I've seen adults do some very, very dumb things. Kids knew where the keys to the gun safe are kept, which is the same place the key to the ammo storage is kept. A basic guns safety course is a good thing when guns are in the house but don't lie about shit.

[@ryanroberts1104]

@@dandylionsloth446 You've missed the point entirely. I was referring to Simon's exact comment. He doesn't understand the wording. He thinks teaching gun safety = "giving 11 year olds guns", and that's just ridiculous. Again, two opposite things. I never said they don't find guns, but that's another reason you teach them gun safety. Nobody is "lying" about anything.

[@msmltvcktl]

“What are you doing, you psycho” is my go to phrase with my 4mo old kitten. He’s always into something...

[@wombatperson5431]

Interesting that Boris seemed to turn out much more normal than Ivan despite being raised in the same environment

[@thegreatpineapple2712]

The power of free will can do a lot

[@LilNewo]

A lot of variables in a single environment given space and time.

[@KMKOST1701]

You should do a follow-up or a short on the crime of Matt. I believe he is proud of his crime from what I saw on that episode of Crimes that Shook Australia and even wrote a poem about it. He also used to joke about what Ivan did and what is really heartbreaking is his victim, David, was his friend and when his mother expressed concern about him, he made a comment about trying to see the good in people. It would be an interesting case to go over. I can also picture Simon saying "You psycho" ever other sentence.

[@nicholasjensen6827]

“I hope you’re not alone right now” Simon says unknowingly to an unarmed security guard viewing the video at the end of his 12 hour shift

[@avalanche1990]

Lol. Same watching this on my shift. Work graveyards so i can watch these throughout of my shift which is the best

[@bloodydove5718]

The paralyze and box thing was also done in the show, The Following. There was a serial killer who liked to damage people’s spines so that they couldn’t move yet they’d still feel everything. He’d then carefully dislocate their joints so that he could tightly pack them into small boxes while they were still alive.

[@Ivy.Sparks]

Who!?

[@Skidrat]

I love when Simon uploads something with Aussie content 😍 but my God the mis spelling of Sydney straight away..........

[@docdavidbaker]

I spent about 3 straight minutes laughing out loud when I saw that.

[@sydneyfairbairn3773]

Since I was named after that city, it was a shock!

[@JM1911A1]

Everyone talking about the Ute pronunciation, nobody talking about an absolutely ridiculous spelling mistake!

[@robf6389]

Put it this way, Simon and crew are not know for accuracy with anything Australian, but getting Sydney wrong was a classic!

[@kaialexander6806]

As someone who experiences temporary paralysis, I can unfortunately confirm that paralysis is terrifying as fuck. I only get it in my hands and feet and it's a daily experience for me, but that moment of your body not listening to your brain is still very scary. Also the more I watch this, the more I wonder if Simon is a fellow ADHDer lmao

[@TheGCSummers]

The man is on the spectrum somewhere I think we have a radar for this like gayder 😅

[@L4r5man]

Cocaine. It's the cocaine.

[@john_blues]

@@L4r5man Allegedly.

[@user-cb6km6co5p]

Fuck man that sounds trippy asf.. but like.. horror type trippy

[@SakuraKurosaki10]

I'm just gonna say that we tend to recognize our own kind and gravitate towards each other.

[@WAMilyFamily]

The backpacker murders were on the news for years when I was growing up. It was absolutely horrific. A lot of the places the victims went missing from and were discovered were not far from where I was living at the time. I remember being absolutely petrified to go to the bush at the time.

[@heather2946]

Simon as an Australian i give you permission to say Australia in an Australian accent

[@bmogs1720]

I agree. It was very close to sounding like an Aussie accent. 👍

[@derp195]

Straya

[@mooncat7009]

😂

[@charlotteb6450]

The whole 'backpackers picking fruit' thing is still very much relevant lol there was a whole crisis during COVID, particularly in Queensland, where lots of fruit was spoiling in orchards coz they didn't have the reliable supply of backpackers to pick it

[@blakeryan7894]

Then we got all the farmers bitching because they wouldn’t pay anything more then a slave wage and so couldn’t attract anyone but vulnerable immigrants.

[@bakedkoala9827]

If the farmer would pay a proper wage and have safety standards they wouldn’t have that problem

[@Stebokanebo]

This guy is really entertaining…I wonder if he has any other channels.

[@RadioactiveGunk]

David: I'll give Simon a pronunciation guide so everything will be said right this time. "Ute": I'm about to ruin this man's entire career.

[@docdavidbaker]

Hahahahaha

[@bermby]

Tbh, all the stuff Australians say sounds like crazy crack rants

[@estherbriggs5675]

Love the cold read with your thoughts and side tangents, makes the show what it is. Keep it up fact boy!

[@melaniemills3733]

Simon "ooh I don't like this!" and then "But that's what you get for starting a true crime podcast".... yes you are reading about horrific people for a living!!! I'm from Frankston Victoria & remember these girls going missing.... Thank you for saying Melbourne correctly so often!!!! Good effort for trying with everything else, you're not the only person who struggles with our words!!!!

[@lexinicole4317]

I’ve never been this early to a casual criminalist video before. Love your videos! Jen your vintage memes are 😘 And hi David. Do you live in the basement with Danny and Callum?

[@docdavidbaker]

My sleeping bag is in that sweet spot between the furnace and the wine rack.

[@LilDitBit]

@@docdavidbaker Hahahaha, damn, he got you too!

[@lemonlily4022]

Oooh, this is the true crime story that hooked me on this stuff in the first place! Thanks for covering it, Simon & co!

[@BroncoBoy7]

“You wanna go for a birthday party in the woods?” Me: “Nah, I’m good.”

[@amandadean3948]

This is one of the best ones Simon has done in a while!

[@XxxMeisiexxX]

I freaking love your podcasts and video’s. I watch/listnen to then while i fall asleep. Best thing to fall asleep to! Can you please do Andrej Tsjikatilo? I would love to hear your reaction to this serial killer. Absolutely love what you are doing, keep it up!

[@nbarnes6225]

"A curveball of extra horror" is honestly a good summary of all true crime.

[@LeighWHeard]

I'm Australian and have lived in Sydney since 1991. I vividly remember when this case first started appearing on the nightly news. There was a lot of confronting details to get through in this episode. But, the lighter moments about the "oot" were quite enjoyable, too. "Ute" is short for Utility Vehicle, but I suppose you'd have to spell it "yout" to get the correct sound. I always find the British pronunciation of "Bathurst" quite amusing as well.

[@transportcams]

How is Bathurst pronounced?

[@vexile1239]

Bath-hurt

[@kellieheald]

@@transportcams Bath urst

[@Tigerphly]

Can we just send some appreciation to the sponsors pushing for us to get more content? 😂😂

[@lzrdwzrd999]

Just listening to this in my OOT on the way to work

[@Anyxera]

I had a really uncomfortable experience sorta similar to yours Simon- I worked at an ice cream parlor. As the store was completely empty, we were making brownies and chatting. A lady came in with her autistic child, who was non verbal. (She was a regular) and I happily got to work asking her what she wanted, and pointing to things and being silly to put her at ease. After the pair left the shop my co worker grunted and said "Oh thank God they were here so long!" and I thought she was referring to the fact that they were in the store for an hour so we couldn't chat or carry on with most of the things on our checklist. I said "Yeah, we need to refill a bunch of things. I was worried we were going to have a rush and run out." And my coworker snorted and said, "No, that girl makes me uncomfortable. GOD I hate autistic people." I stood there in stunned silence (Note: I'M high functioning autistic.) My co worker proceeds to start refilling toppings, while going on a tirade about how people with autism and similar disorders should be killed to "Cleanse" the population. I cleared my throat, and calmly said "(her name)...I'M autistic." She laughed like I was joking and I told her I was serious and she said "Well you aren't THAT autistic, you'd probably be fine." The rest of the day we worked in complete silence. It was incredibly uncomfortable. I called my boss, and told him I needed to talk to him. I told him what happened, and I wrote up an incident report. He fired her, only after I had to work another shift with her, in the middle of her shift. So SO uncomfortable.

[@Magepure6749]

I would be shocked if I wasn't at least mildly autistic, so yeah. "Normie mentality supremacists" (for lack of a better term) are the fvcking worst. Like, _what has YOUR normie kind done for humankind?? Obeyed the authorities' orders blindly for thousands of years, causing untold suffering, injustice and postponement of progress??_ Ughhh. I can tolerate everyday normies, but for fvck's sake I hate normie supremacists so much. They're the only people who WOULD deserve to be "cleansed", IF genocide was EVER to be justifiable. Which it never will be, just to be absolutely clear :V

[@Anyxera]

@@Magepure6749 My manager at the same place hated black people. I hate living in the south

[@Magepure6749]

@@Anyxera Aww, damn. That sounds bad but TBH I can't tell you much about that from direct experience since live in a country that happens to be 99.99% white _(unless Eastern Europeans count as PoC which I heard was now a thing somehow lol)_ so it's kinda a nonissue here - but rest assured, we have our share of social ills too. Often drawing parallels to US problems, except on class lines rather than race lines. Human nature is unchanging, at least to our 80-something-year-lifespan eyes. Best we can do is have patience with it's bad side while cherishing and nourishing the good side. Best of wishes! :)

[@RealElongatedMuskrat]

I'm so so glad you reported her to your boss, that is fucking disgusting and I'm so sorry you had to deal with that. Its not easy bringing that sorta thing higher up, either. Good on you!

[@baydiac]

@@Magepure6749 Eastern europeans have it rough. Only white people could be so racist that they start deciding members of their own race arbitrarily "aren't white enough". Why does this keep happeninggggg??? (Random anecdote: and old therapist of mine was Turkish and she told me about getting some good mileage out of checking the 'asian american' box every time someone asked for it on paperwork, since it was technically true despite her visibly being white. Funniest shit ever. Love that woman.)

[@ashleymason7206]

I like the heist ones! I hope Simon decides to do them more regularly, some story about some art forgery ring or something would be a nice palate cleanser after the really dark episodes like this. I like true crime, but also sometimes don't watch these when they come out because I just can't deal with that level of horror all the time.

[@kukalakana]

Never mind pronunciation guides for Balanglo. I have literally never *once* heard a ute being called an "oot". 😂😂😂

[@Maddie-qu3kp]

One of my dad's friend's dad was a taxi driver who got stabbed by Milat. It's suspected he was one of milats first attempted murders. He ended up in a wheelchair. He hadn't identified him until he saw Milat on tv once he'd been caught.

[@Darryl_Frost]

he was mentioned in this video..

[@bankyboo3786]

My dad grew up with the brothers. He lost contact with them when he moved away in 1978

[@sarahnash276]

As an Aussie...just the name Ivan Milat gives me the creeps. I was a kid then, but I've never hitchhiked in my life because of this dude.

[@cryptiecreep]

I've been listening to Casual Criminalist so often that Simon's become the narrator for my dreams. His voice has invaded my half awake brain rambles.

[@jpRetroGaming]

In case Calum or Simon are in the comments, I’d like to suggest an episode on the Dunblane Massacre. 25 years on from one of Scotlands darkest days that we’ll never forget. Not only for the horrific nature of the crime; but for the bravery shown by the families of the victims to campaign for tougher UK gun laws.