The Real Facts About Science Based Dog Training: A Training Without Conflict® Podcast

The Real Facts About Science Based Dog Training: A Training Without Conflict® Podcast
Arguments about dog training are reaching a boiling point and I decided it’s time for someone to take a significant stand against the constant propaganda and misinformation that gets spread through social media.
Scientific research that starts with a conclusion and works backwards to prove it is a dangerous and unethical practice.
When scientific research is cherry-picked to fit a narrative, it
leads to a distorted understanding, because only the evidence that supports a pre-existing believes is considered.
Such research undermines the trust in science and experts, dog trainers easily recognize bias and question the validity of findings.
It's time to move away from bans, as they're ineffective and have never achieved the desired outcomes. Instead, let's come together and work towards advancing the field of dog training, free from the constraints and extreme views of any particular group!
Ivan Balabanov is a 2-time World Champion dog trainer, Ot Vitosha Malinois breeder, trainer of Premier Protection Dogs and founder of the revolutionary Training Without Conflict® dog training system.
For more information about Ivan Balabanov and information on how to train your dog using the Training Without Conflict® system, check out:
trainingwithoutconflict.com
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[@harrygre60]

Update on Ace - I have gotten him involved in playing some of the games kzbin.infoUgkxECnmSvBSv_NGWx4_ChD73pF3NYZwI2F3 and I can see a difference in his confidence already! My other dog played along and he became intrigued - now its a daily part of our routine - about 3 times a day we do the shell game and the muffin tin game. I am so grateful for coming upon your training techniques!

[@Faustaao]

I work in veterinary and I personally feel the veterinary community/associations shouldn't even be involved in dog training for the most part. Not many behavioral cases TRULY require prescription drugs. People are quick to call unwanted behaviors "separation anxiety" or "reactivity" so it MUST be anxiety. So what is the cure? Drugs! I don't really think the veterinary world has much of a place at all in dog training.

[@cocksure8430]

Sneaky way of getting hold of a few valium huh? Sorry, I mean 'doggy valium' of course....ahem. (Which happen to be 10mil blues, exactly the same as normal valium)

[@limo4085]

More importantly the vast majority of the veterinary community has little to NO education on behavior. They have SO much other stuff they need to be learning about, it makes sense that behavior does not fit in there unless it a) was a prior career/personal passion or b) they are specifically a veterinary behaviorist. I live near a reputable veterinary college, and the vets there get one single class that basically just covers the fundamentals of operant conditioning and maybe some basic body language. Drives me up a wall when I hear people say they got tips from their primary vet on dealing with their reactive dog >:O That being said, I don't know for sure, but would assume the veterinary behaviorists community is involved in approving these statements and they are the highest level experts in the field ... but that all comes back down to the question of are we doing and applying the science right in the first place.

[@CodexPotter]

Vets should rule out pain, especially if it's a NEW bad behavior pain/illness should be ruled out. Meds should never be the first option but with new issues, i fully believe your vet should make sure your pet is healthy. A lot of bad behaviors can be caused by pain or health issues, like UTIs causing urinating on the floor because they can't hold it. But as with humans, rushing to psych drugs shouldn't ever be the first option. A few doses for specific events (flying, fireworks, things like that) is probably okay from a regular vet but not a monthly script. But a lot of that depends on the specific practice and i wish more vets would refer to behaviorists rather than offering psych meds themselves because it isn't usually needed. I do think vet techs and sometimes even groomers overstep and think they can be a trainer because they work with animals when it's a completely different skill set.

[@judithtrigg1694]

@@limo4085 my vet was out with their dog it was so undisciplined .

[@alaskayoung3413]

EXACTLY! They don’t even Question the owners training education level, if they have paid for training, what’s the daily routine of the dog, etc etc… So you can have a totally untrained dog who’s left in a kennel alone for 8 hours a day and then never given exercise or mental stimulation, who can’t even do basic obedience level skills…. And they will just diagnose them with psych issues and put them in Wellbutrin or some crap! And then they don’t even push the owner to get a trainer. It’s the same with them and the food they push. Or how they push to neuter or spay every puppy when in reality it’s best for them to have it done once they’re done growing. Pekole give them too much power kr respect. Yes they are amazing at medical care! And they have a couple hour training on nutrition and training principles during school… but that’s it!

[@logun24x7]

I just want to post a shout out to Robert Cabral for backing Ivan on this video. It's sad that dog training has such a political divide but it always seems to be the FF and R+ side that goes on the attack and Balanced trainers just take it and never push back. This is how we end up with tools being banned by people that don't understand them or have any desire to learn. I started training dogs in the 1970's and its been a constant evolving journey and I've been blessed to have people in my live with practical experience in the Sporting dog world to learn from, and I just want to say Thank you Ivan for sharing your success and knowledge with the rest of us.

[@cherylmillard2067]

Yes, Robert stood up for Ivan but the arguments he used were weak, he also played the part of the diplomat, suffering fools instead of bluntly calling Zac out on his bullshit as Ivan did in his reply video. Ivan doesn't mix words nor does he suffer fools, and Zac is a Gish-galloping fool spewing one fallacy in logic after another, he also uses his wife as an appeal to authority. 🥱

[@k9services271]

Please read the seriously biased study by Lincoln University in UK on behalf of the government department DEFRA. My god I'm not the most intelligent but if you can't see the holes in the study of which there are at least 12 that prove its nonsense at best and clearly done with a required outcome. Coincidence??

[@IvanBalabanov]

To clarify, Robert did not back me up. He never even mentioned my name. He never shared my presentation to his social media. He must have had a different objective That’s totally fine

[@livingontheblindside]

This was the best educational video I’ve ever watched, explaining the different types of methods for Dog Trainning. Well done I will be following your channel constantly now I am a dog behaviourist myself

[@logun24x7]

@@PHOENIXDOGTRAINING You are the definition of all talk, you have 500 followers, and 25 videos with none that I saw actually showing anything more then what you would learn in the first hour in a pet-smart class. The Ego's on dog trainers today is outrageous ... for the love of god get a grip.

[@liesalllies]

I will never get over the absolute insanity of the head halters being the holy grail of the FF people. I got banned instantly from a Facebook group for service dog training because i showed a picture of my dog in which a prong collar was visible. Every other post on that group was "my dog hates her head collar" or "any tips for desensitizing to head collar?" With people saying it would take weeks to get the dog to accept the head collar. The probably hundreds of dogs i have put a prong collar on...i can't recall a single one that became distressed immediately just by wearing it. Not even after being corrected with it multiple times! What are they on?! How can you trust their claims in the face of this.

[@CranberrySparkplug]

I had a border collie who would pull horribly on leash when the impulse struck, usually at least once a day. I had to the use a head halter on him whenever visiting the vet because he wanted to run up and say hello to everyone. He hated that thing. Once we got to the end of the visit and his quota for saying hello to people had been filled, I could clip his leash on his collar with good confidence he'd be well behaved. His relief at getting that halter was obvious. Long story short, this dog had to have knee surgery and on the day of his surgery I bought a prong collar. It solved the leash pulling problem and, from that time forward, whenever he saw me getting out his prong collar, he'd run to the front door and bark with joy. I find the prong collar to be an extremely effective communication tool. With a slight movement of my hand, I can communicate, "Please move closer to me." And the dog responds. That was my border collie. I just about always walked him on his prong collar.( He passed on recently.) I also have a terrier mix who was totally unresponsive to pressure on a flat collar. So I walked her in a harness with a Flexi-lead. I also got her a prong collar made specially for smaller dogs, walked her up and down the side-walk one time and she is now responsive to pressure on her flat collar and that's what we're training with for the most part. I watched lots of videos about how to properly use a prong collar before putting them on my dogs. I still wasn't convinced entirely of their effectiveness. But using them in real life has made me a total believer!

[@user-bm3ts2ql6s]

Joel Beckman uses them very successfully... He has no issues conditioning the dog to them and they work great. So do prongs. Why rule either out? Both are effective and demonstrably so.

[@dinazaphiris1257]

I know veterinarians who have treated severe neck / vertebrae subluxations from the “gentle leader”- how can FF say they’re non aversive? It’s ridiculous. A prong is safer than a head halti , period, especially for a bolting dog! This is all so incredibly bad for the dog training industry- I had a post about prongs being among the safest collars to use for a pulling dog. Got shadow banned.

[@criktun3346]

I love how Ivan always has his IGP vests and trophies behind him. Like “Cool story other dog trainers, where are your national championships?” 😂

[@IvanBalabanov]

😂

[@googletoldme2666]

I know i probably would, Definitely a source of pride 🙌🏽

[@francinearnold1692]

ahem 'World" championships!!

[@hayleymorgan1141]

Wdym? You don’t just trust someone cause they have a KZbin channel? Obvi that makes you pretty reputable 😂

[@mellomood1100]

Great work Ivan. My corso is who he is because of you and many other trainers like you :)

[@_shakawkaw]

There are bad unskilled trainers in both ends of the spectrum. It's time for the most skilled and knowledgeable trainers come together and make themselves be heard. This is so rich and educational...so much needed presentation, thank you for this.

[@camachado4]

I was at the vet yesterday with my small white dog. A woman was there with her gsd who obviously had a high prey drive and the dog fixated on my dog. I was glad to see that the dog was wearing equipment and thus under control of the owner. The owner insisted on complete obedience. She did not have to use the e collar but did make him redo his obedience to stay sitting as they were ready to leave and wait until her break command. I would have been terrified if the owner did not have the equipment just in case.

[@IvanBalabanov]

agreed

[@PARoth2011]

As a rescue GSD owner, I do the same darn thing. When we go places she wears a prong, if I ever feel she could be a threat in any way to a person or another dog she would be wearing a muzzle and an e collar. If anyone dared have an issue about it I’d ask them to pay for liability insurance..lol. Obedience keeps everyone safe, happy and away from the euthanasia needle.

[@MoreOnPleeez]

When i take my dog aggressive pit bull to the vet, i bring a squirt bottle. She will stop in her tracks if she sees that squirt bottle. People dont like me squirting my girl with water when im not at the vet but when i take her to the vet with a bottle in my hand, suddenly dog owners love to see im using it to keep her from eating their dog. Funny how quick their opinion changes when it protects their dog.

[@todo9633]

When my dog was 5 or so we took him to classes for months to learn how to heel with positive reinforcement training, because my mom didn't want to correct him. Never worked, and getting him in a harness only really stopped him from choking himself. Then a year or two later I came across Beckman's methods for loose leash walking and within a few minutes my dog learned more than he did in months.

[@rehabilitatingbuzzy3281]

Ivan this is one of my favorites from your channel! I am personally so grateful you are willing to say this. The hypocrisy of veterinarians who make all this noise about no aversives, no compulsions but then they will medicate and muzzle a dog and use 2-3 techs to pin a dog to the exam table just to cut his nails is insane. My entire KZbin channel is about rehabilitating a dog so traumatized by his monthly nail-cutting that he earned a bite history and became reactive enough that it was recommended - BY THE SAME VET - that he be euthanized or re-homed. His heart-broken people surrendered him and it's taken me two years to make this poor dog sane again. Let me say that another way: this vet terrorized this dog every 4-6 weeks and as soon as the dog got the muzzle off and bit someone, they sent the dog home and told the owners they would have to try again later. The dog is not stupid - he learned that the sooner he bit someone, the sooner he went home. This is a common practice with vets, yet with the most basic understanding of the dog mind anyone should see that the vet TAUGHT the dog to bite and then recommended euthanizing him for it. All the vet had to do was turn the dog's nails over to a groomer and tell his clueless owners to ditch the all-positive trainer they hired.

[@ashevilledogacademy6350]

Can't argue with reality in regards to the nature of behavior and training. Some can't handle the truth but Ivan lays it all out for you to check out. This is a goldmine of information that I'm sure will be a reference for many for years to come. Thank you, Ivan for organizing and having the courage to dispell the highly marketed myths that have been causing a lot of confusion and harm in the dog training world.

[@IvanBalabanov]

Well said!

[@thankmelater1254]

Actually Ivan tells the truth, Zak offers lies and ignorance.However, Ivan does not disclose everything on KZbin so you have to pay very close attention and guess the finer points, if you can't afford the courses. So I pay close attention. I tried watching his 2 of his students so far but they need more training too. I knew right away from watching Ivan's videos what they had forgotten....that the dog might show how he wants to play and what he wants to play with.

[@metalcowgirl34]

I agree on the shock collar, and the horse comparison is perfect. I have horses….they are not afraid of the fence at all. They know EXACTLY how close they can get. They know their eyelashes can touch it while they’re reaching under it and they won’t get shocked! They know if it’s off sometimes and they will test it! They know how to test it in a way where they only get mild shock if it’s on. They are not worried at all being extremely close to it because they know EXACTLY what gets them shocked and what doesn’t. Humans, on the other hand, probably wouldn’t touch their eyelashes to an electric fence if someone offered them $1000 😂 We’re projecting our fear of something we don’t understand as well as they do onto them. WE fear electric shock, they don’t. Animals don’t sit around worrying about things that aren’t currently happening to them….UNLESS they have no idea when it’s going to happen. If the shock is inconsistent, THEN there is fear of when it might happen.

[@luciamedek5933]

Devils advocate, if we don't understand it, how can we understand that they do?

[@metalcowgirl34]

@@luciamedek5933 by observing them? They do everything I said, so it’s obvious there is no fear of the fence. They will fall asleep inches from it. Like he said, there’s no anxiety when they’re close to it cause they know. If they think it might randomly get them, they wouldn’t sleep by it or get so close. Our perception of the fence has been ruined by being told about fences and electricity and we think about it when nothing is happening to us.

[@ranrachvl]

I am a horse owner as well as a dog owner and I agree with the electric fence analogy. My horses aren't afraid of my electric fence in the least. They just know not to touch it. My fear is that the positive only crowd will come for the electric fences next. If you have never owned stallions or bulls you have no idea the mayhem that will cause.

[@RussianSportHorses]

@@ranrachvl electric fences have been around for a relatively short period of time. Would you say it was mayhem before then?

[@lagottessa]

@@RussianSportHorses wasn't barbed wire the common go-to fence before electric fences?

[@balancedk9trainer]

Congratulations Ivan for being an ambassador for all real, professional dog trainers!

[@IvanBalabanov]

Thank you

[@cocksure8430]

@@IvanBalabanov Ivan, is the situation with youth in the UK/THE west, not a direct consequence of banning aversive correction....just saying. ?

[@benhardwick1970]

@@cocksure8430 so so true! Discipline is viewed as bad these days but phycology and society tells us that that a lack of discipline is a cause for mental illness and a huge cause for the breakdown of modern society

[@gloriamoulopoulos2925]

Thank you! There are so many neurotic dogs nowadays! I've had dogs for 25 years and have always used a prong collar for obedience training. I never used treats, only positive praise with my voice. They were all happy well-balanced dogs. When I would give a command or tell them to drop something, I would only need to say it once.

[@jordanlevitt6639]

ZG: look at my dog sit pretty in a highly edited video. Oops, Enertia is ignoring me now. Ivan: Here are the studies. Here are my Two world IGP titles and my 16 National champion titles.

[@kevinb5240]

Impressive observation devoid of sarcasm. Bravo! (Wish I tought of it first)

[@Arewal851]

That is literally ZGs only claim to fame. He can lure a dog into a sit and even that has to be edited. Such an absolute bug-eyed joke to have gotten so much money from being a complete and total fraud.

[@timmotley6614]

Outstanding presentation! As a scientist, I greatly appreciate all the references and as a dog trainer, I'm very grateful for your clear and thoughtful explanation which completely aligns with my own experience with dogs, and that I can use to share with others in the public arena who have feed too much of the "force free kool-aid". Thank you!

[@IvanBalabanov]

Thanks for listening!

[@itsreallynotacatstevens3654]

Ad a scientist you greatly appreciate relying on outdated studies?

[@IvanBalabanov]

@@itsreallynotacatstevens3654 the majority of the studies we refer to are actually more current than the studies used by force free community. This is super easy to fact check but you must take the time to look them up and compare.

[@skinnydogkew]

@zakgeorgesdogtrainingrevolution

[@hippopotatomoose]

@@itsreallynotacatstevens3654 how long has it been since the theory of relativity was published? What quick theory is used to calculate gravity between bodies? Newtonian gravity is still used. Your point?

[@rickbostick-K9training]

Fantastic pod cast Ivan. Ty for being a voice for so many of us that just want to help dogs and their owners!

[@knuckleheadk9servicesllc350]

Thank you Ivan!! This was a well thought-out and prepared presentation that echoes much of what many of us trainers talk about on a daily basis amongst each other and with our clientele because of the "disinformation" and "false" information being presented by others. At the end of the day, it isn't about who is the better trainer or about marketing individual philosophies based on biased information but about what works best for the dog in the most clearest and concise way in order to teach desired behaviors and stop unwanted behaviors. The real heroes are not the trainers restricted by their own emotions or feelings or egos disseminating "disinformation" but by the trainers that not only follow sound science but also think outside the box always keeping what works best for the animal in mind. We have to police ourselves to ensure we educate, coach, and mentor trainers, owners, and even ourselves as some might see this as a green light to just punish, punish, punish. I know that's not the message here and you said it best at the end where you state you are a "predominately play based trainer...... but do like to have the opportunity to use form of an aversive to stop dangerous behaviors or where ever else positive reinforcement is not working." Bravo!!!

[@IvanBalabanov]

Thank you!

[@jerimow8400]

Well said!

[@garrystephenson4119]

Guide Dogs for the Blind UK have changed from traditional training methods to 100% positive reinforcement and the dogs from puppyhood are allowed to choose wether or not to learn and work. They are food based trained with no negative handling. Of course it simply is not working. The numbers of Blind people trained have fallen greatly and there is now a many years waiting list as opposed to the 1 year-2 year wait that used to be. If I had a greyhound that was fixated on a rabbit and I offered a food reward, it would most likely ignore me in favour of watching something it would enjoy more. Clicker training/food based training is great to help teach but there comes a time when a handler needs instant obedience. I also have been a Guide Dog Instructor and puppy program Superviser/team manager since 1980 (Now retired). Ivan speaks a lot of sense!

[@IvanBalabanov]

yes it is imposible to train guide dogs trough positive only and have the reliability and understanding. I have tried to get one of the trainers from UK on the podcast but cant seem to be able to get a hold of anyone. Ideas?

[@garrystephenson4119]

I would try Ken Brydon. @@IvanBalabanov

[@SimpleCountryDogTrainer]

Very well done! Sound logical arguments coupled with in depth real world knowledge. Thank you so much for taking the amount of time it took to put this together and for sharing your knowledge and expertise!

[@IvanBalabanov]

Unfortunately, even this is not enough to at least start a conversation with the Force Free advocates ...

[@tamandramichaels3846]

Love it. As a crossover twice removed, that raised and trained two working line GSDs with no aversive control for the first few years I can strongly attest there are limitations when you don't provide consequences that fit for that dog and circumstance. How do you do a time out in public? (I tried lol) With drives and instincts, that's going to be difficult to deal with, and how positive is it for the dog to be micro-managed all day long? It was impossible to avoid triggers in a city environment, we don't live in a Skinner Box. Not being able to effectively correct behaviors that can get worse, or is dangerous is setting up for failure. And frustration. I think force free folks forget that there's more than just teaching behaviors to training a dog. Sure we can teach everything with +R, but behavior mod, addressing problem behaviors, full feedback wins.

[@IvanBalabanov]

Thanks for checking out the podcast!

[@marylang4540]

Positive training does not have limitation. Trainers/handlers definitely do.

[@formerlyerock]

@@marylang4540 the fact that you literally cannot stop any behavior by exclusively using positive reinforcement is a pretty severe limitation...

[@tamandramichaels3846]

@@marylang4540 Yeah that's what we get told a lot, you're not doing it right, enough, on and on. Which of course can be true, but shows there are roadblocks. I in fact, do have limitation, I'm in a wheelchair. So a large working dog can be dangerous if I am unable to prevent a behavior. Positive training has limitations in a relationship with a dog, as I said there is more to life with dogs than teaching how to do a behavior.

[@marylang4540]

@@formerlyerock incorrect- positive reinforcement addresses the cause of the behaviour. It replaces a negative behaviour with a better choice which becomes a conditioned response and makes the former undesirable behaviour unnecessary.

[@paulinaco8498]

Great 🎉thx for this video and sharing your knowledge. Greetings from Switzerland

[@IvanBalabanov]

thank you

[@wilartman2887]

Thank you!!! I have a Romanian Shephard that I started out training using "force free" training as promoted by a leading KZbinr on that subject. It works awesome for basic commands up until my dog realized that she would only accomplish the task if a treat was visible... (she's a really smart dog!). I did work for months on this with some success however, her drive outside of basic commands was not conducive to "force free" training. I found a wonderful trainer in the area that trains the way you do and I have a happy and healthy dog!

[@rsg7221]

It's the same with my Bulgarian shepherd as well 😅 one day I hope to add a Carpatin shepherd to the pack😊

[@harmonwatson7511]

I like how ivan is proven absolutely no one can argue against his credentials and what has zak geeorge actually accomplished other than good marketing?

[@Arewal851]

Not the first story of a scammer getting rich. Sad that people actually follow him. Although I am still not convinced that the positive comments on his channel are not just from himself with fake accounts or paid subscribers. He has got someone editing any and all comments (before they appear) that are not fake flattery. The ones who think they can train a dog by watching ZG are the same ones who relinquish 9 of 10 dogs to the shelters before they are one year of age. If any dangerous "tool" needs to be banned it's ZG. There is one where he stands on the side of the road holding a scared dog face first into traffic on a "how to socialize" video and in another he is oblivious to his dogs signals who gets into a fight a dog park. When people react that what he shows is what not to do.......he realizes how dumb he is and how stupid it was to post them, so he goes to try and learn from others. Now he is in a constant state of copying what other actual trainers and organizations say, in hopes of making it sound like he knows something. I would bet a million dollars that ZG will never in his lifetime sit down in any kind of interview. It would be too exposing if he were forced to have a dialogue without cue cards.

[@arye.dogman]

I'm a dog trainer from Israel, almost 30 yrs now. I'm a slow typer in English so l'l just say WOW WOW WOW! great service to the training world, thanks

[@IvanBalabanov]

Thank you !

[@cynthiaaustin1763]

You might know Arkadi Shulman and Hermiona. I love to watch them. I am just a pet owner/enthusiast but I show Hermiona videos to everyone I know. From Akko? She is the real deal. Respect!!!!!

[@arye.dogman]

@Cynthia Austin No I don't. But I'll check them out. Where are you from?

[@cynthiaaustin1763]

@@arye.dogman Montana usa

[@MarkFerrasci]

Thank You Ivan. I was worried about you for awhile. With this podcast you have redeemed yourself in my eyes. Well done sir!

[@socialdogcoach]

Thank you for the great overview, plain talk, and REAL science!!!

[@IvanBalabanov]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@neilb9565]

What an excellent presentation. Crystal clear, comprehensive, rigorous, very informative. I hope this video reaches the widest possible audience.

[@IvanBalabanov]

Thank you. All of us must share it 😉

[@Huundeblogg]

Ivan Balabanov, you have saved the day in this week of "war" between dog trainors with this informative video. I like listening to the truth on dog training instead.

[@IvanBalabanov]

Thank you

[@primalcritters]

Bravo I just love this man. So educated so thoughtful so amazing. He needs a protege

[@shannonfrink7939]

What a great resource you have produced. Thank you so much for taking the time to put this information out there!

[@IvanBalabanov]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@dogtrainingsuraksha2129]

Thank you🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹, Sir🙏, from🇮🇳, India

[@IvanBalabanov]

You’re welcome!

[@summitk9training]

So much amazing info packed into an hour. Absolutely fantastic work, thank you for this. Science doesn't care about ideologies and ethics, and folks who claim that it "proves" what is ethical have a fundamental misunderstanding of scientific study. As someone who worked in a scientific field for years before jumping into dogs, I can't tell you how refreshing this episode was.

[@IvanBalabanov]

Appreciate the feedback 🥂

[@eartheclipse9623]

as an environmental science student & a bit of a nerd to all things nature, behaviour, evolution, palaeontology, history etc. and I agree, what is being said by force-free advocates is taken completely out of context, everything, and I mean everything has to be balanced to be successful. I am training my malinois x for scent work in conservation and I have an e-collar too, there are poisons and other dangers that can occur and in difficult terrain, a leash is more of a hazard than a help, I still need him not to eat carcasses or chase wildlife and as much as I train 90% + positive only, I still need to correct him and if I need to keep telling him not to do something, then he isn't understanding that it is wrong or plainly doesn't care at that moment but its risky behaviour and since my dog has the drive & is a predator, it is solely my responsibility and my dog being killed is an outcome (farmers can shot him if they see him chasing livestock, for instance, there is no time to try to catch the dog, the ears are turned off at that point too or he could be seized or die for ingesting a poisoned carcass. I also live in the city and use public transport, so big scary stuff for a dog is around daily. I totally get how my dog sees it, I have ADHD I don't see it much differently from how an animal is, it is largely in the moment, has no concept of time & is automatic behaviour it needs to repeat many many times and if I do something wrong I need to be told it is wrong, sometimes harshly & why it was wrong otherwise there is no learning, its someone's opinion/preference only.), I'm also a mum & was a riding instructor so I know how to teach the same thing different ways and that different personalities need different methods, I don't find animals too different in the basic ways we learn tbh.

[@cherylmillard2067]

I also have ADHD and I totally agree with you!

[@IvanBalabanov]

thank you

[@lokimum]

Fantastic! You did a great job on this, and I do hope that people from all points of view will watch it. I really appreciate how open and honest you were about the unintended consequences of feel-good legislation.

[@yanst3r879]

Incredible effort. Hopefully it reaches those that need it most.

[@kluka158]

Thank you. And bravo. I’ve been training for 35 years, and your video was absolutely fantastic.

[@IvanBalabanov]

thank you!

[@riggin4587]

Great video! Like several others who have commented, I am a scientist as well as a dog trainer. I've been through the peer review process to publication three times and can attest to the many problems inherent in the scientific process. Science is conducted by humans and therefore is not infallible. Not to mention what research gets funded vs. what doesn't (follow the money and the popularity contest!) It would be great to hear a deep dive into this topic with a scientist in a future episode. A lot of people would be surprised by what actually goes on in the scientific research world.

[@shepherds.pie.youtube]

Exactly! The fact that science is conducted by humans and is therefore fallible is such a taboo topic... It's still an amazing tool we have to explore our world. It's just when we start worshipping it as some sort of god with the scientists the priests that problems arise. We have to look at the actual research, not just the conclusions.

[@cadenbeegan2684]

hey, I have a thesis to do my my graduate school in investigative journalism in behavioral science. One of the options is meta-analysis; I was wondering if you have seen if any papers have come out contesting and breaking down the AVMAs statement and cited research?

[@PARoth2011]

Absolutely on target. Before he retired, my husband, an Infectious Disease MD, MPH was a medical director overseeing evidence based criteria for a computer program used by insurance companies and hospitals as a reference to determine the daily level of care for patients. Ultimately, his concern was that it had to provide the best care for the patient..ha, talk about walking a fine line. He was constantly dismissing “studies” because they were insufficient or not done correctly and in his world, it wasn’t unusual to see a big pharmaceutical company create a medical journal that then published “scientific research” that supported using their medicines so that others down the road would refer to these studies in their research which would give the big pharma study more credibility. Like my hubby in his medical world, Ivan has the creds in the dog world to look behind the curtains and call out the fraudulent, self-interested players showing why a balanced approach is best for the dogs and their handlers.

[@DreamComeTrueK9]

Great job all around. Put out at a time when it’s needed most.

[@IvanBalabanov]

Thank you

[@inaherbert8587]

Always great information, continued to educate, you are the best.

[@IvanBalabanov]

Glad you think so!

[@ClaireSalathiel]

I am so glad to see trainers talking openly about using all 4 quadrants!

[@tracyreifkind3810]

Brilliantly presented Ivan! I have been binge watching every bit of information you have put out. As first time pet dog owner that is obsessed with doing the best for my dog I have purchased many many online courses, hired numerous trainers, taken a few group lessons. I work with my dog every day in some respect and he has many lovely and fun behaviors and qualities :) . But finally finding your Chase and Catch course, it perfectly suites my non food motivated, but highly play driven dog, and we have just started to incorporate your methods (day 3), feeling hopeful to work through some issues that have presented themselves. Possession Games is next, and I am enjoying learning from you :) Sincere appreciation for your the knowledge and time you share with all of us.

[@IvanBalabanov]

Thank you for the support!

[@janiearmstrong6981]

Thank you for this video. I have a 3 month GSD. What is the best harness?

[@carter1487]

Thank you for speaking the truth in a clear and scientific manner!

[@IvanBalabanov]

Thank you for your support!

[@mellomood1100]

Great work Ivan. My corso is a great dog thanks to your information and similar trainers like you ❤

[@IvanBalabanov]

Thank you

[@LauraHopkinsCDL]

So glad you have spoken up Ivan. It needed saying. These so called "studies" are very damaging to us trainers but more importantly the dogs, especially the high drive dogs. Thank you.

[@IvanBalabanov]

Thank you!

[@nevaleslie7755]

Thank you so much! This video was very interesting and helpful.

[@IvanBalabanov]

Thanks for the feedback. It’s the nightmare video for the force free ideology

[@WillReynolds88]

Thank you for spending the time making this video. I will be watching this one many times.

[@IvanBalabanov]

My pleasure!

[@DogTrainingBulledandSon]

Hi Ivan another great post👍 I think in reality the argument against use of the negative quadrant’s of operative conditioning. Are mainly only causing so much “conflict” …. See what I did there. Because of the use of certain tools. Two in particular. We all know what they are. The Prong collar and the e-collar. I have never used either on any of my own dogs. At the owners request in certain circumstances we will on rare occasions incorporate an e-collar, with a dog on our residential program. Usually for safety reasons on a dog that is absolutely in the last chance saloon. But even then it’s primary benefit is to give an owner a shot of confidence. Do you use E-collar on all your dogs as a matter of course? If so how do you think you might have achieved the same results if you had been training prior to their existence. They have after all only been around for a relatively short period of time. We may as well start thinking about developing better ways of incorporating negative aspects of operant conditioning. Because the banning of certain tools is around the corner. In the UK they were within a few weeks of being banned shortly before COVID. In fact if they had separated training collars from invisible fencing systems. I’m certain they would have been banned rightly or wrongly. I know in the USA certain states are looking at this right now. As they are in Europe. I have also been training dogs since the 1970s and seen a inexorable drift towards more positive training and it has to be said more intelligent training. I know the benefits of certain old techniques. In the past if their had been an Olympic event for throwing a chain. My expertise in its use as a throw chain, would have had me on the National Team 😂 If used correctly and the dog was conditioned to the noise as a negative, when it landed even three metres away. It could interrupt behaviour exactly the same Asan e-collar. But over the last ten years as training is moving further and further away from punishment. I have spent that time creating other negative experiences, I don’t know why we haven’t changed that label in the quadrant. Oh yes unfortunately I do. It’s because at this moment in time it’s actually correct. So the question is do we as balanced Trainers maintain the fight to keep certain Tools or accept that very soon they will be consigned to the history books. Instead begin developing techniques that can be used ethically, to make sure that the actual use of any kind of negative feedback from a trainer isn’t also banned. Another process that’s gaining momentum in the UK is regulation of Dog Training. Which on the Top surface doesn’t sound like a bad thing. Until I tell you the people sitting in the room with the biggest influence are people such as Victoria Stillwell. I was in the Room and out of all the people presenting her arguments were the most plausible. That was in a large meeting room. Before it disappears into the smaller corridors.. The times they are a changing as Bob Dylan said 👍 Thanks to you and Robert for bringing the argument to the fore.

[@IvanBalabanov]

Thank you for feedback

[@robannmateja5000]

Great video; so much information. Well presented. Thank you.

[@IvanBalabanov]

Thank you!

[@chetyoubetya8565]

I am sorry I have five dogs and each one knows that there is an immediate consequence for negative behaviors, and it is not a time out. People seem to want to treat animals and yes, they are animals, like human children. They are not and never will be and it doesn't work. You have to be 100% consistent daily. No is No.

[@HandraCorjnaLevstean]

Sometimes the time out or totally ignoring the dog if repeated Will work other times It won't. There are dogs who'll Jump on your back biting for months or Forever After you'll turn your back on them and ignore them because they jumped on you, others might get It. Same for closing them in another room or whatever, some Will respond well others won't, personal experience, One month and the dog can feel confused, also things can get worse

[@Godiscoming888]

@@HandraCorjnaLevsteanyup it didn’t work for me.. yelping got me bit harder.. and turning my back got me bit and jumped on. As a first time dog owner it was frustrating because when you first start researching online you are bombarded with positive only stuff but once I switched to balanced(and what in my mind made sense).. we solved the issues rather quickly lol. Sigh.

[@HandraCorjnaLevstean]

@@Godiscoming888 i yelped as well and i the sensation that it makes you look vulnerable. When their brothers nip them and they yelp they're actually complaining and seeking help because they're calling mom but when you do it their mom is not around to take care of you. Positive sometimes might work other times won't

[@Godiscoming888]

@@HandraCorjnaLevstean yelping also mimicks prey.

[@HandraCorjnaLevstean]

@@Godiscoming888 thank's for pointing that out. Definly not the best thing, I did that and he went even harder on me, plus I have my son which is a toddler and the situation was getting scarry and stressfull. Purely positive is not always the right option, the more your dog will be problematic and the more you'll stick around those trainers. I know a lot of people here in italy who use balanced they were exausted and because they found out that it's the only thing that works for them but they also feel ashamed and try to hide it because of purely positive Karens around

[@CompletekTraining]

BOOOOM! 💥💥💥 What was that? Ivan droppin’ one knowledge on us THAT’S what that was! 💪🏻💪🏻 🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@IvanBalabanov]

More to come!

[@lauraolivatrastoy4363]

Best video I've seen so far. Neutral, rational, reaslitic and really science-based. Hope all conversation had this level. PS: I'm a psychologist, and we use all four elements of the quadrant all the time.

[@IvanBalabanov]

Thank you! Glad to hear your feedback

[@cocksure8430]

I have a Dutch. In his daily activity if he goes past a certain point I will shout at him. When he does something correctly I reward him. If you over correct a Dutch he will tell you!! Nip you...working breeds dont take any shite!! The couple of times Ive had people say 'why are you shouting at that dog' and 'You dont deserve a dog' I blame the internet, everybody is an expert.... When a Dutch prey drive kicks in, or he is fully foccused on something, it takes a bit 'extra' to break through....even a tap on the snout with a stern shout. Do it too much and it becomes worthless, even negative. But when the dog understands he has done something seriously wrong, he wants me to be happy with him, so he reacts correctly. There are some situations where food etc has less value than the target of his misbehaving. He is a dog, the world has gone mad....I said to one person 'what should I do, put him in therapy??' 🤣 Mad world. He is if anything over confident in some ways !!🤣👍 Other comments Ive had , 'hes so clever' , 'what a brilliant dog'... 'hes such a happy dog, look'....etc Complete strangers. And then have some idiot tell me I dont deserve a dog after seeing me shout at him once.....infuriating!!! Dutch males are stubborn strong minded animals, but so rewarding when you get it right. Amazing animal. Quick edit : UK, no shock collars......

[@rico4you]

Bravo 👏 Ivan Bravo!! Incredible podcast not just about training Dogs but about human psychology wrongly applied and trying to force free when life and nature is the complete opposite!

[@IvanBalabanov]

Thank you!

[@carolynbrand4698]

I learned correction-based training - along with using food rewards in the 1990’s but for the past 9 years I have been learning reward-based training. I have great respect for Mr. Balabanov based on his interview with Susan Garrett. After listening to it, I listened to The Real Facts About Science Based Dog Training. Here is what I have to offer. I have used a shock collar, a prong collar, and a choke collar. I have pinched my dog’s ear for force fetch, but never did I feel comfortable or qualified to do so. I do believe a trainer who is talented at using the old tools could get quicker results, but I believe that’s because I’m a novice RB trainer, not because the methods are better. The games I play are just that and the use of punitive methods is not how I want to play games. Do my dogs get reprimanded? Yes, they do but they are not hit or even have time out. I interrupt the behavior and move on to something else. Have I forced them to something they didn’t want to do? Yes, with repercussions every time. It was not training, it was ego. I don’t believe that banning any of the devices I listed would stop their use. What I believe would be more beneficial is for the community to police itself. Just as I call on RB trainers to be nicer to the human end of the leash, I’d like CB trainers to call out those among you who do not use the tools in a humane manner. Mr. Balabanov spoke of teaching pet owners to properly use a shock collar. That would be great, but how about all the collars that are sold to those who think you only need strap them on and burn away? I’ve worked with field dog trainers who supposedly knew the proper way to condition the dog to the collar, but it did not stop him from misusing the collar when he was angry at his dog. This is the behavior that makes the “positive” world come unglued. There is so much ego wrapped up in dog training - of any type. And if not for the breeding on that dog to keep trying, it would have been a candidate for learned helplessness. I also took on a dog from a field trainer who never bothered to teach the dog when he was right, only when he was wrong - the dog eventually gave up and went back to the truck by himself. With me, he went on to finish his field training with a green novice trainer and be successful in obedience and agility. I agree that the shock collar is a less cruel device, when used properly, than when old time field trainers would shoot at their dogs when trying to enforce a command. I also agree that organisms learn from punishment but having raised 3 children, I can tell you that I wish I had known about positive training then. Taking things away from a child never worked. (example used in video by IB) One statement I can agree with from the Susan Garrett interview is that I have grown as an enlightened person through my use of reward-based training. Our dogs may be bred for jobs but that doesn’t mean they had a choice in the matter. My dog has a choice and if the game is too much for him, he will still be loved. Lastly, I’d offer that the shock collar becomes very benign to a trainer of a dog who shows little reaction to the correction. When all you do is push a button, what can the harm be? Good training is good training. Just be fair to the dog.

[@harmonwatson7511]

Balanced training using an e collar is far from an old method it's the most modern method available it's a wireless leash

[@Godiscoming888]

I have kids too and only raising kids with positive only sets them up for failure. You cannot shelter your children from “unpleasant” feelings.. you will raise narcissists or adults that are fragile and break under any pressure. They will experience pressure and consequences in the real world but the best place to teach that first is within the home.I find the positive only type bizzare and living in la la land. People are addicted to only good feelings which is not the full picture of life. There are viral videos of kids throwing tantrums because of not getting their way. Life is full of reward and consequence.. Ivan gets it right.

[@robeccs]

Shyt the kids would rather get the belt rather than get the Xbox/Playstation taking away for time out.🤣🍻✌🏽

[@oconnorbeth]

Thank you so much for making this video. It’s often hard to articulate many of the things you’ve said in this video!!!

[@IvanBalabanov]

thank you , the information should be used and shared

[@adamm5054]

I do not think you understand how valuable this video is for the training community. Thank you for using your platform to help and educate!

[@IvanBalabanov]

I do Adam 😉 thank you

[@hollissensenig1775]

Thank you for the outstanding presentation!

[@rjonesyow]

training real working dogs for a serious job is much different than training a non working dog for pleasure .

[@rjonesyow]

a homeowner with a pet just does not understand that loving your dog is only part of training. i watched my neighbor so far for 6months trying to train his dog to heel and recall with distractions, using treats as reward, while myself and my dogs are passing him, and he has barely made any progress.

[@user-co7yn1cm2k]

This is one of the best videos I have seen to date. 🙏

[@IvanBalabanov]

Thank you!

[@leadoffleashk9training]

Thank you for this. I am so glad that I found TWC and and have learned from a person (you) that I can honestly say from watching you (behind the scenes with dogs for a while now)...that you always have the VERY best intentions and outcomes for every dog that gets in front of you. Thank you for your commitment to make all dogs somebody and for advocating for them in this industry and striving to help people reach their best as dog trainers.

[@IvanBalabanov]

Thank you cheryl!

[@powerliftingpremedcrafter473]

Well said!!!

[@jpdogtraining7920]

Easily the most informative and factual video I’ve seen on this topic.

[@IvanBalabanov]

thank you!

[@rjonesyow]

a homeowner with a pet just does not understand that loving your dog is only part of training. i watched my neighbor so far for 6months trying to train his dog to heel and recall with distractions, using treats as reward, while myself and my dogs are passing him, and he has barely made any progress.

[@stonktard3451]

Very important information in the current environment of dog training. Much appreciated!

[@IvanBalabanov]

Yes absolutely. Thanks for the feedback

[@goliard84]

I'm impressed and grateful.

[@PARoth2011]

Wow, what an incredibly, well balanced presentation. The in-depth research and work done to put this together is deeply appreciated.

[@IvanBalabanov]

Thank you! It must be shared constantly

[@PARoth2011]

@@IvanBalabanov I discovered you a couple months ago after I intuitively had been training my GSD rescue (who is likely part Malinois) using play. Everyone at the dog club looked at me like I had 3 heads when I explained how I was training my dog using a ball so to find you was a relief and huge confidence booster. I spent 30 years in the horse world and wasn’t aware of protection sport and the training world you, Michael Ellis and Leerburg etc represent. It breaks my heart that I learn about this at 68, I would have changed sports, but, better late than never! So I am making up for lost time and just completed your video course on play as training. I loved it and am using these methods to teach my dog tug. I am in Ocala, FL and wanted to tell you that dog training here might surprise you. Many of the dog owners/handlers have a background in horse training/riding and using a prong has been highly encouraged in the 3 obedience classes I have been in. I already used one and as the instructor encouraged people with pulling dogs to try it I helped them learn how to use it. So it occurred to me that the best advocates for aversive tools might be in the horse world as we use tools like crops & spurs and recognize that a tool used wisely helps, not hinders progression in the sport and abusers are called out. It seems this mindset might be found in the UK where perhaps an alliance with the horse world could happen; how are spurs much different than prongs? I deeply appreciate your willingness to continuously educate others and in whatever small way I can, will spread your message. I look forward to learning more from your videos..ha, and if you take “the elderly” 😂 😂 at your seminars I’d love to attend one.

[@Kaderlid13]

Thank you so much! Such a relief to hear clear and honest statements about working with our closest companions. ❤

[@IvanBalabanov]

Glad it was helpful!

[@sashaleman9270]

This is extremely important conversation for dog training industry. There are so much propaganda ideology and divisiveness on social media. Thank you for being a voice against ideology and propaganda. The voice of reason.

[@IvanBalabanov]

Thank you for the support!

[@Anthonysk9]

Thank god Ivan is here and willing to articulate the truth in dog training and engage in this conversation. Extremism in dog training from the other side has had way too much of an impact on banning of equipment and legislation around the world.

[@k9handler]

Thanks Ivan. Keep up the great work!

[@claytoncarter]

Ivan, you’re the man!

[@DerpTheory]

Very well presented and very informative! I do not use electric or prong collars for personally moral and ethical reasons however I will never demonise the tools. If a dog that comes to me with behaviour issues that can be solved by these tools then I will very clearly present the viewpoint and a contact of a master trainer who knows how to use these tools for the betterment of the said dog. Our beliefs, knowledge and skill set or rather the limitations in them should NEVER be the reason a dog has to be given away or put down.

[@IvanBalabanov]

Thank you for taking the time to share your feedback

[@DerpTheory]

@@IvanBalabanov thank YOU for providing so much information and imparting knowledge! It will definitely bridge the gap between the communities in time to come. I'm a firm believer of rewards where rewards are due and punishment where punishment is due. Your podcast just reaffirmed my belief 😊❤️

[@AlexanderHonsVonEber]

Larry Krohn has many many excellent videos on training with the e-collar that have taught me so much, I’ve totally shifted my training to model his. He doesn’t take claim for inventing stuff but uses what works and his case studies last years to decades with well balanced, happy dogs at the end of training. It starts with what happens at home, to building trust and learning how to actually communicate with dogs on their level - meeting their needs for bonding, trust and understanding what is being taught to them in a super clear way! Ivan- amazing video and great breakdown of all those faulty studies and the truth that many of Positive only training methods do contain very series aversives, some way more than low dose stem vibration! Love this stuff - just wish people saw that these methods when used correctly are a path way to your dog living it’s best life, having the freedom to be off leash when appropriate and to have so much play during the training.. but people see what they want., well said.. Cheers brother!

[@Ponderosie]

Also love Larry krohn❤ He has an excellent book out on how to use the e-collar

[@Agoddamnbetch]

Before I started working with dogs I adopted a GSD that had severe aggression towards people and animals. I contacted a trainer to help, I was unaware they were a positive only trainer at the time. I spent $4000 for her to come to my house and throw treats at my dog (who is toy driven and doesn’t care for treats) from 20ft away. She showed up 8 times to do this with no results and then disappeared and never showed for the next 2 sessions. I then contacted a balanced trainer and in a matter of minutes he was playing with him and working with him. I was fascinated with how he trained so he allowed me to come to his other clients sessions and I learned so much from him. Operant conditioning works.

[@rottweilertrainingUK]

Great podcast as always - thank you.

[@IvanBalabanov]

Thanks for listening

[@gazgibster]

excellent presentation Ivan so so needed aswell. i am a trainer in the uk i mainly deal with problem dogs that end up with me who have seen other positive only trainers who wont even use a lead correction, lesson after lesson a non sstop drip of clients money with no chance of really helping the dog live a more normal and rewarding life .to me this is fraudulent training.I would not be without my e collar i am proud to say that i have saved many dogs from a one way ticket to the vets given countless dogs the freedome to become happy dogs again and live back in society where they need to be. In my opinion a ban on ecollars would be disastrous for the lives of the many dogs out there who could live fuller happier lives through the propper and ethical use of the ecollar. thanks again Ivan never give up the fight . much respect .

[@IvanBalabanov]

Thanks for watching!

[@jackmemphis3139]

Greatly help me forging my opinion on the matter as an average dog owner. I had doubts about this ultra positive mantra we hear all the time. I have never doubted that aversive method applied correctly cautiously could sometime outweigh the cons. My only doubt is about the incorrect use of these tools by abusers, by a sub par K9 educator or uneducated dog owner (mainly strangler, e-collar and prong). I have also doubts in using harsh aversive methods on dogs in the context sports or competitions.

[@IvanBalabanov]

Thanks for watching!

[@joyfulk9services]

Great timing. This was so necessary. Zak George is flooding the internet with his piece right now. Thank you so much for your detailed, knowledgeable, and thorough discussion on this!!! I'll be watching a few times!

[@IvanBalabanov]

Tell your friends!

[@didialtair4722]

Ur rigth because a lot of ff trainers talk in youtube or insta with "scienece" proff but can u see zak rehabilitate a agressive dog or training a large breed?so thanks u Mr balabanov 💪💪💪

[@logun24x7]

I could not agree more Zak has been on a mission to misrepresent the science for weeks now

[@SoundlessFantasy]

Zak George is such a misleading trainer. I firstly followed his videos and found out that it just doesn’t work. Never seen him train a dog that has real problems

[@thankmelater1254]

@@didialtair4722 For going on a year, Zak couldn't get his border collie to behave on leash when any dog was walking hundreds of meters away. The trouble Zak has is preaching from his ignorance of what science is and what learning theory is. For his "science" on the difference he presents a study where data came from a man hanging his dog by a chain until dead, and on on lambs tortured with no ability to escape the torture by behavioral change. The study was demonstrating "learned helplessness" achievement procedure. Zak is good for engaging frisbee play, but he's mentally a worm on his science and logic understanding.

[@andreborges2106]

An hour of awesomeness.

[@IvanBalabanov]

👍🏻

[@Ponderosie]

Love the horse and e fence example as I have horses and they do not go near the solar webbing..My GSD was trained w/E collar and now all i have to do is put on with no power..very smart. Great information. ZK doesn't get it..

[@IvanBalabanov]

Thank you!

[@starfoxloves]

Thank you for making this video Ivan! The training community has needed this message for a long time. 🙏

[@IvanBalabanov]

Thank You ! Hopefully we can put into good use

[@kchabak68]

This was a fantastic explanation. It was clear, logical, and easy to follow. Hats off.

[@IvanBalabanov]

Thank you! It’s the presentation the force-free advocates wish it never exsited. Must be shared as frequently as possible

[@kchabak68]

@@IvanBalabanov I will do so, and thank you again.

[@iLift4fun21]

I have shared this video with everyone. Thank you so much!

[@IvanBalabanov]

Thank you!!!

[@molopez619]

20:05 is what I tell everyone. They have these giant teeth that is used as a tool to eat but to correct themselves as well. We humanize dogs. IMO humanizing something that isn’t human is a form of abuse. Respect the creature for what it is and learn at its level together.

[@IvanBalabanov]

👍🏻

[@cynthiaaustin1763]

Jim and Jamie Dutcher made a documentary available on KZbin of their time with wolves. Tremendously increased my understanding of canine communication in a way that your point speaks to.

[@HandraCorjnaLevstean]

100% correct. Their moms correct them when they make mistakes, so their peers do. What would life be without punishment (authority, jails, fines, ecc) if not simple anarchy?. The perfect example is aggression or disprespect, Stealing dogs step up for themselves when another steps out of the line, why shouldn't we call them out if they don't get it with biscuits or by ignoring them? There's a time to love, there's a time to play and there's a time where you must be more serious.

[@Zhahn-Pam]

Thank you for real conversation.

[@IvanBalabanov]

Thank you for tuning in!

[@DESCENDINGDR]

Thank you Ivan! Somebody has to stand up to the foolishness. Someone like you with a voice in the community can make a difference. You are completely correct IMO. You've spent a lot of time to prepare your statements and present your case. Greatly appreciated!!!!!

[@IvanBalabanov]

Thank you for the kind words!

[@joda7771]

Thank you so much for useful information. Really needed to hear this now with all propaganda around us.

[@IvanBalabanov]

True!

[@splashpremierpetresort7326]

An excellent explanation of the need to keep options open and to be educated about behavioral sciences. Thank you, Ivan

[@IvanBalabanov]

Glad it was helpful!

[@hippopotatomoose]

Zac needs to push his ideology so he can sell more books. Period.

[@gennyszegi1876]

Excellent! Thank you

[@JayceBroda]

Wonderfully done Ivan.

[@WorkingKNeun]

Ivan, Thank you so much for this video. This is an excellent and well put together video. You can see you put a lot of time and effort in to this. Thanks again!!

[@IvanBalabanov]

Thank you for watching!

[@MegaMaestroz]

Really nice video i hope you feel free to share another discussion on ethology or evolutionary psychology?

[@vonsuric]

Thank you for speaking out.

[@IvanBalabanov]

You're welcome!

[@FrankRollberg]

Great lecture Ivan

[@gcwilson1]

Thank you Ivan! I so much appreciate your statements and factual approach which we need NOW for our dogs to have the best life possible.

[@IvanBalabanov]

My pleasure!

[@vhmacmd]

This was a great podcast Ivan. Appreciate the different points to consider when training and the different tactics. Well explained. Thank you.

[@earthrooster1969]

While I fully support those like Ivan and Robert Cabral and get really upset by all positive trainers who paint a fairy tale like relationship between human and dogs. Plus the pet industry paints a beautiful picture of dog ownership with fancy foods, dog beds, shampoos what have you. The average person who does not understand dogs is made to think it's a very easy thing to get a pup and then things just fall in place. Most people nowadays do NOT have time but they have dogs. The pet industry is to really be called out. While i get mad at all positive dog trainers, they became popular as the market is full of people with big aspirations, comfort, money and really are not ready or even aware of the depth required to understand the animals. So IMO, all positive or really professional dog trainers like Ivan and Robert should call out the industry for creating a 'romantic narrative's and promoting a 'lifestyle' than the individual animals real welfare....

[@lucyjasminepickle]

Positive training works and it works very well. It is not quick and easy as slapping a tool on, but to call it ineffective is ridiculous. However, I think you have a very valid point concerning the amount of thought people put into acquiring a dog that would be suitable for their lifestyle. More education, and perhaps regulation is needed.

[@toolsconsumables7055]

Dear Sir, A most enlightening discussion which clearly demonstrate that positive only is limited at best. I sincerely hope folks like Zak Geoges takes note & review his preconceived ideas amongst others. Kind regards.

[@IvanBalabanov]

Thank you. This is not about Zak. Zak is not a dog trainer. He is influencer at best, making money from adds … irrelevant person in the conversation

[@canineresolution9300]

❤ thank you for this !!!!