J. Krishnamurti - Brockwood Park 1979 - Seminar 1 - What is one to do in a world of...

J. Krishnamurti - Brockwood Park 1979 - Seminar 1 - What is one to do in a world of increasing violence?
Summary:
Q: What am I to do to change this world of increasing violence and disorder?
How do I approach this problem? The approach may decide the quality of my inquiry. There is disorder, disintegration, confusion. We must examine what is happening, the cause of the violence.
I may be having difficulties with my family my wife, keeping a job, earning a livelihood so I am not greatly concerned with what is happening in the world.
Is the world of misery something out there that I have nothing to do with? Why do we lose sight of the understanding, the reality that we are the world?
Do we see the fact that there is terror, violence and disintegration? The fact is what is actually happening, not opinion. Why is it so difficult to see a simple fact?
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[@dinorivera9153]

I wonder what they imagined they're talks would bring about! I'm also glad they were recorded!

[@mishadekoning4024]

We the people shattered all over the place in so many I’s and than wonder what just happened and denying it again….and than these people in the seminar are interested, can we please work together, think together, looking out the window, please ❤️

[@lightmobile]

I wonder if anyone is holding these types of discussions today? I would love to participate.

[@her26mlifecount21]

I am in my state.

[@robthomson704]

I can't believe the rudeness of all the people walking out and creating such a racket!

[@DavidTinxLall1978]

🙏🙂

[@공수래공수거-e2x]

i still don't understand why i am the world and the world is me. 2024.03.06

[@mishadekoning4024]

The world you seem to see, is a projection from mind, the observer is looking at “his own” projection, we humanity, the mind we share, one mind ❤ we are trained conditioned in the I mode, parents, teachers, church tell us what to see.

[@pauld712]

You may like to read the full transcript of this Seminar, which is available at www.jkrishnamurti.org/krishnamurti-teachings/view-text.php?tid=1349&chid=1048&w=

[@yacovmitchenko1490]

I don't mean to be a gadfly here, but there are some unpleasant issues to be considered. I'm not endorsing what I'm about to say, but it behooves us to consider it. Are you sure that violence, pure and simple, is something to be eliminated altogether? How can you be sure? If you look at nature, we see much that is violent, and there seems to be some kind of order which may be intimately linked with violence. It may be unpleasant to see animals killing each other, feeding off of one another. Bot not only does it ensure their survival, but a certain balance is maintained thereby. For example, if certain insects didn't kill other insects, our cities may be a lot worse off, since we'd have an excess of insects. (Or some such thing. Killing reduces excess and furthers life in a way.) Moreover, Krishnamurti has stated on numerous occasions that compassion is the highest intelligence? How can he be sure of that? Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that the highest intelligence is beyond both compassion and violence, and may see that both are necessary for the continuation and harmony of life. Not everything in creation is about kindness, preservation, and so on. Destruction and killing are simply part of the natural order of things, and it may be just a human limitation that emphasizes compassion above all other things. Now again, I'm not suggesting that this is all necessarily true, only that Krishnamurti seems to base a lot (about the ending of violence) on assumptions. Also, Krishnamurti makes the assumption that the world is full of disorder. Well, it certainly seems so to many people. But even about that I'm not so sure. For example, one may say that cancer is a disorder where the human body is concerned - but it may be part of a wider order (beyond the body) about which we have little or no understanding as yet. Krishnamurti at times strikes me as a little overconfident about his statements concerning as to what disorder is.

[@jenniferlee5871]

I read your comment. Violence in our world and in our personal life brings about mental anguish and fear and such sadness that it’s not just violence that he is addressing- it’s how it affects our living. Our culture. How it is perhaps accepted. How it is reality in all countries. I’m learning how to see life for what it is ( ugliness and violence exists)rather than wanting more peace in life and thinking it to be out of balance because of all the violence. That is why your comment drew me in. I have to wonder why I am paralyzed sometimes due to human violence and why the system keeps ticking on and our world hasn’t collapsed yet due to the human violence? K is brave to question the violence we have created. His dialogues are direct and he doesn’t avoid the unpleasant. Now that America has daily mass shootings we are at a level beyond the violence of cancer and the animals acts of killing and the violence of weather disasters like earthquakes- if we don’t discuss this and question this with people like K……. What then?

[@jesuisahmedn]

I actually agree with your comment

[@krox477]

Humans are not nature. We created civilization which is human society. Nature works on their own laws but humans can think for themselves