J. Krishnamurti - Ojai 1979 - Public Discussion 4 - What is blocking us from change?

Ojai 1979 - Public Discussion 4 - What is blocking us from change?
Summary:
What impedes the human mind from bringing about a mutation in itself?
The moment you are comparing, you are not observing, you are caught in the movement of comparison. If you don’t compare, what takes place?
There is no ‘how’, because the moment you have a ‘how’ you have fallen into a system, a direction and you are lost.
Why are you lonely?
Mutation implies non-movement of the activities of the self.
Note: a total of 1 minute and 11 seconds of missing video is replaced by audio only.
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[@educationalramblings6826]

I went to the place where he gave this talk this past summer. Just walked and sat. How I wish I was able to have spoken with him. Love JK

[@akashpatil7765]

This talk much better than lots of philosophical and psychological books...

[@pareshmaniyar8273]

This is so in depth!

[@herewego009]

Starts here - 6:30 Relationship - 1:12:12 What is change? - 1:34:40

[@SIEBEGORMEN]

thanks

[@harivanshdogne6768]

This man is marvelous

[@CDLuminous]

What a practice of patience for him!

[@user-uu5jf3jo3o]

One must be really « extraordinary » to just have as a life-goal, to « Set Humanity completely free »! I discovered him by chance, at 22, having no idea what he was talking about, then went on with my life. Then recently, I found that book and realized that what he had been explaining, little 22 y.o. me, had tackled with much pain, getting rid of all attachments. Then, unexpectedly, that happened while I was talking to a friend. What he teaches is extraordinary and true. Since childhood, it had occurred several times, but I never talked about it before these covid years. Then in my 30s. The ego is back, but transformation changes your structure. You are no longer the same, as you are lured to total change, the only way is in.

[@evegoodmon]

No practice no repetition

[@tesswe3477]

I feel only love for this beautiful man!!!

[@Zara-um1nx]

This is very true thank you so much

[@meenajethva3484]

🙏 Thank you for uploading.

[@user-uu5jf3jo3o]

Why no change? Because we generally won’t stick to a simple fact. We use thought to change a fact in what we think should be. Out of fear. Always going back and forth : escaping the unknown and fleeing to what we already know. We won’t surrender to what is, as surrendering means dying, being nothing, facing sth we do not know. Then we hide, then we dig a thought out of the brain and fool ourselves with that dead thing.

[@karminderjitsingh6843]

Profound

[@elaineswinscoe383]

He is a great man of knowledge and understanding. He makes it so understandable. The Human race are mind programed from every angle. Thank goodness for Jk.

[@dikkiedik6348]

that i a theory

[@dikkiedik6348]

probally you havent seen what he is talking about actually

[@dikkiedik6348]

so you are merely agreeing, which ironically is programming

[@krox477]

Yup we have energy but we waste all of that

[@andytheworld.]

공감 꾹. 😊

[@user-uu5jf3jo3o]

Whoever spontaneously seeks the truth about oneself, without any motive but just because heading elsewhere is a dead end, transformation shall surprise her or him. May she or he be ignorant of the existence or JK, or any other teacher.

[@byronanomaly8447]

The Absolute has always been Just This There is only what is happening Nothing in front Nothing behind Nothing in the middle All of this Colour, light,sound, All of this is Nothing Happening.

[@tripzincluded8087]

"without comparing, inclusion happens.. & Diversity proves it-Self".. /\ (::)

[@OkyeameKwameBRA]

Wow ! How can a man have all this intelligence?

[@dikkiedik6348]

i love you krishmaortui

[@gentiantafa4619]

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@ritaparker478]

Go to your centre, the spiritual part of yourself where stillness and inner peace reside, no need to change because everything already is inside. It just is. Working on the heart chakra helps.

[@user-uu5jf3jo3o]

May I? Why chakras? Why not simply start from where you are, in everyday life and proceed by yourself. Know yourself as you are and by yourself. Not with chakras or else. Trust yourself.

[@img008]

The term “chakras” is exotic, ancient. Makes one think that those ppl many years ago may have had it but NOW, “I” have it.

[@tanvis4534]

V candid public discussion!

[@CrisisInConsciouness]

?

[@KriB510]

For me, this invokes a suspension and contemplation on fourth, fifth, sixth …. derivatives

[@mfive7274]

The belief there is a self to change.

[@user-uu5jf3jo3o]

36:40 JK once sait that in matter of self-knowledge, « progress » is the progress of error. Self-development = dvpt of an error, the ego.

[@tripzincluded8087]

the Spirit is the timeless Being manifesting as this born entity we call a human, that received at it's birth the concept of a name and a date of birth... And while experiencing 'the live we call mine' our ego-i-d-entity is being programmed into the 'personalities' we love to Identify with as "Me" our Mental Idealized entities.. (::)

[@kingblade1419]

Yes, and what comes next? :)

[@hemantkhare5545]

Have no idea what to do with your hypothesis

[@hugojj101]

K is subject to his own conditioning. If you've identified with your body and mind etc. But haven't identified with what you think of as separate from you like what you see for example. Considering that's the main difference between K and most of the western world. Due to that context I've just described. To then try and agree with K and feel it, ITS NOT GONNA WORK, because like he says, we're conditioned and so is he and these conditionings are vastly different. So everyone's state of non conflict, is contextual. Even to the point, that for some, conflict can feel peaceful. And if you want to change this feeling, You have to recondition (which depends if there's even a you in the first place depending on your conditioned feelings), which practically as we all can easily realised from our failures, it can take time, repeated realisation before something becomes truthful.

[@krox477]

Yup we are all puppets in the universe

[@sylviagung1007]

... like a mosquito... a life of mosquito that grows/ survives/ matures in the complexity of the water, but one day, it surfaces/ stops above the water and observes the life under the water at the spot and suddenly takes off into the air on its dried fresh wings... like that (or do I wish the air suck me up into itself).. ...? Can I, right now, fly into the eternity, as a member of Humanity? From a man into a Human Being... "What do we mean by 'change'?" K asks.

[@sankarakrishnan8707]

His blood boiled (boils) for humanity!! Clearly this compassion is not coming from a human or thought. We dont need any intelligence to see that! 🤣

[@danielfenge5154]

our maps don't apply at all

[@davidjames1815]

It's unfortunate that K did not atleast give a 2 sentence answer regarding whether any other human being has undergone the RADICAL TRANSFORMATION that he himself talked about in several of his books and in many of his talks. This goes to the question of practicality as well as the real truth about WHY he communicated/s w mankibd in the first place. Was it ever his intention to set mankind on fire w this RADICAL TRANSFORMATION? I do not think mankind is capable of doing so. For 300K yrs there have been countless Krishnamurtis pointing out the deeper TRUTH, that thinking and thought are NOT TRUTH. Awareness in sensorium is all that there is left after the past is removed. Therefore he has planted seeds and added to the STACK of mankind's evolution regardless of what he has said about all time being in the now. All time IS in the now, quite literally. Lol. But here we are in 2023, conceptually speaking, and mankind is more stupid and more miserable than he has ever been. So what was K's communicating for 70 yrs FOR after all? It was for nothing, just as it was w every great human being connected to deepest reality who spoke out to warn mankind for 300K yrs, all of it now in fluid movement, which is all time. Homosapiens is a monster. Pure and simple. And occasionally these rare ppl, like KRISHNAMURTI, a man of unbelievable integrity, who cannot fathom the degree of this monstrousness, pop up out of the woodwork to teach tbe impossible to a species of psychotic freak simian creatures capable of NOTHING GOOD. It is unfortunate. Truly. But it is what it is and shall never change.

[@jessealedonis3987]

There's no talking together with this guy .He does all the talking .😆

[@heinmolenaar6750]

There's thinking together. Have you ever listened to a traditional guru? Then you know the difference.

[@asafeplacepodcast2690]

Tells the audience to ignore the movements of the mind, ignore the thoughts while getting frustrated worrying the audience might not be following what he says. A father who gets frustrated and angry at a child when they can't read a sentence correctly will directly slow down progress of the child's ability to learn. Not that what he was saying isn't true, just that he couldn't even follow or practice his own philosophy

[@user-uu5jf3jo3o]

When you know that the book of life has 130 chapters, teaching lesson 1 for 50 years must be exhausting.

[@user-uu5jf3jo3o]

I guess he sees (visible and invisible) the dangers self-ignorance leads to and worries about us. This is care and high awareness of the dangerous zone we are in. Our careless attitude makes him nervous.

[@user-uu5jf3jo3o]

He reached his goal, total freedom. He could have stayed home, written books and never meet people. He didn’t need to be perfectly calm. He was patient enough. It is the other way round: the ones who need to work seriously, are us.

[@img008]

You are judging yourself, sir. Jiddu is dead

[@krox477]

You're creating image about him and idea about what he's saying which means you're not listening

[@daltondammthebabe]

First.

[@MrAndreist96]

Damn, even here?

[@MacShrike]

At what?