Jack Dorsey On Solitude, Self-Care & Shouldering Healthy Conversation

Jack Dorsey is the co-founder and CEO of both Twitter and Square.
This is my effort to better understand the man behind the curtain.
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[@coridevine6351]

How incredibly difficult to remain grounded with such monumental pressure and influence. I admire Mr. Jack Dorsey’s commitment to responsibility, self improvement and mindfulness, emotional resonance in forcing himself to be and do things he is uncomfortable with or difficult, but preserving through while being kind to his self while growing. I also appreciate his accountability for mistakes, and correcting them mindfully without just trying to find a quick fix. I too am going through my own self journey (obviously no comparable responsibility economically-just a nobody, humble human here), meditation, mindfulness, equanimity and how I can serve others. I hope more join in acceptance of others, individuality, differences, and being mindful to not cause harm to others. I believe we all are connected and can truly overcome our failings, progress and turn our thoughts, actions and habits into an amazing world that is kind to all life.

[@lykn6929]

I put this interview on repeat cause I love Jacks voice 😍 It's so calming.

[@jumbojet8]

Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[@averyintelligence]

Sorry mate, would u mind explaining what power does?

[@pablopeniche9194]

Jack Dorsey has one of the most fascinating but also one of the most mentally, intellectually and emotionally challenging jobs on the planet. Despite Twitter's short comings and mistakes, I do believe he's a genuine guy and wants to do good. Thanks for the podcast, Rich.

[@spinkyl9559]

He deleted over 7000 Qanon accounts that supported justice and the arrest of pedophiles. This is not a person to ever admire.

[@craigthurlow9308]

Oh yeh he’s a REAL GEM🤮FUCK OFF MORON🖕👊🏿

[@emilynixon8864]

After seeing him questioned under subpoena he is also a pathological liar and he’s definitely on drugs either a shit load of pharmos or crack.. sinister unethical creepy criminal! Censoring free speech and truth for his masters agenda.

[@apacur]

Yeah-- He's genuine alright--- Genuinely Greedy and a Genuine Backstabbing Power and Money Hungry Jerk

[@mralexander99]

These guys above ☝️should be a band with a few violins 🎻 because I enjoyed the frankness of the conversation....so I don’t quite get what they are on about🎭

[@michaelw8047]

Fantastic interview Rich. So nice to hear a leader like Jack so invested in his health, mindfulness and personal growth . Deep respect. Mike. Tasmania. Australia

[@ricardos3587]

@RichRoll really enjoyed the Podcast and thank you Jack for letting us know more about what ticks you and an insight into that brilliant mind!

[@newtongrubby]

Love to take a walk with Jack. He seems so Zen.

[@arvindhr.a2315]

Enjoyed this interview !

[@JayKrikorian]

Rich Roll just keeps giving and giving. We love you. 🏄

[@nicolalionello4421]

Such a healthy conversation. Both of you are really inspiring. Thank you!!

[@barbarazimmer3127]

really enjoyed this interview. Still don't use Twitter.

[@s.daniel2259]

You're on the right track.

[@tuabenjamin]

haha indeed. lot of love for jack, twitter not so much. glad he’s moved on to focus on square (block).

[@jessejamesjohnston]

A little tough to listen to his monotone voice but very interesting. At about 52 minutes in, he starts talking about policing and disciplining the users as if this is one large classroom (which it is - but really?) and somehow everyone would magically mind their manners and be good boys and girls. Teachers have enough trouble with 30 students so it would be very interesting to see if he can pull off that sort of omnipotent change.

[@travisfitzwater8093]

Every single thing he Tweets is Magic!

[@ItsQueenSamar]

Thank you, this is gold 💜

[@okami3790]

love to Jack😘😘😘

[@navarachi095]

Love Jack, incredibly kind and inspired engineer.

[@stefanmironov6405]

haahahh good one...

[@WhiteKitta]

You must be kidding....

[@volpe_sol]

We can be cuddly and cute all we want and sure there is a place for that, but there is a darker side of his job which is massively important to any conversation about "life and spirituality". Love the podcast and i'm not hating, but Jack sold his soul long ago. There's nothing of value he can say with words if his actions prove the contrary.

[@djimiwreybigsby5263]

Too many people cannot distinguish "news" from "opinion" because the minds of tio many internet users have become like willfully ignorant little children and are ready to fight for things they don't understand .. Censorship and propaganda go hand in hand. I get the feeling that he sees himself as some sort if parental figure to the west

[@shimmerglittershinesparkle]

i completely agree

[@HomeAtLast501]

You're an adult, and we're adults -- you don't have to announce that you're not hating.

[@volpe_sol]

@@HomeAtLast501 That's a sign of respect to the podcast, which i like very much, not to the guest. Thanks, adult.

[@HomeAtLast501]

@@volpe_sol It's not a sign of respect to real adults, because they wouldn't take a critical comment as somehow being an expression of hate. It's really a childish notion to think expressing a criticism of someone is hating them. How in the world could anyone think you hate the podcast when you say Dorsey sold his soul long ago. It's not even LOGICAL to think that.

[@younghug]

Jack starts at 7:20

[@kkpaine]

As a meditator, I realize that his experience is so different than mine. I see the shared arrogance of Silicon Valley in that Twitter making decisions for town square voices. Twitter is WAY TOO INVASIVE and needs to back off being an app cop. “Safety” is the most abused word in English right now.

[@rohan__06]

Awesome..

[@ajinkyatamhane985]

Honest conversation from Jack....I think he cracked down the formula for..How to live a Human Life.....

[@whiteangel7777777]

Rich please interview the historian (also a vegan) Yuval Noah Harari author of many books one that I love is Sapiens. Also Dr. Shefali.

[@richroll]

I did. www.richroll.com/podcast/yuval-noah-harari-392/

[@7wanderer7]

So why then it’s not on YT? Probably won’t listen anywhere else.

[@richroll]

Because at the time I did that interview I was only uploading video podcasts here and the Yuval podcast was audio only. I am now going back through the archive and will post a selection of past episodes that were audio only here on YT. In the meantime you can listen to my interview with Yuval on any platform where you listen to podcasts

[@7wanderer7]

I’m just listening to podcasts but I prefer YT because video format helps me trust the information given from your guests more easily even if I watch it just briefly usally in the begining. There are too many podcasts nowadays, so I’ll stick with YT just because it’s more dificult to produce video. BTW, you are one of my favorite podcasters. Check out sidetrackedmag if you haven’t.

[@sheridixon190]

@@richroll I DID NOT KNOW THIS EITHER! THANK YOU.

[@talesfromrosie852]

Very interesting podcast - these are fascinating technological times that everyone (including Jack) are navigating. Don’t quite understand the negative comments to this open and thoughtful conversation - Rich asked some challenging questions and Jack (in my opinion) engaged honestly. Thanks Rich for always approaching each podcast with an open mind. It allows the interviewee to feel comfortable in exploring all angles of the issues with you, resulting in in-depth and intelligent discourse.

[@user-ge8fn4jr5q]

eww vegan

[@HomeAtLast501]

It all sound banal to me. There's nothing new at all. Nothing original. Nothing to learn from.

[@raulduke3237]

You don't understand because you cant. You belive in these peoples benevolence so greatly, that you think they are incapable of doing wrong.

[@Neonb88]

@@raulduke3237 I think the point isn't that he's so benevolent, just that he understands the issues and is taking them seriously. That shows quite a lot of maturity and Jack wasn't just saying "Twitter did nothing wrong, everything is awesome, I'm awesome, etc." which is, in many ways, quite unlike Mr. Musk, who often takes things extremely personally and is notoriously impulsive and impatient

[@Neonb88]

I appreciate your comment! Unfortunately, I think this is a case of the common saying "Don't wrestle with a pig; the pig likes it and you get dirty"

[@stephenlewthwaite4084]

Rich I'm a fan, this talk started off great especially his meditation and life style, very interesting. Caution don't be seduced by power as he then goes on referencing products in correcting or contextualizing the past and rehabilitation in the future. Isn't part of learning and maturing making mistakes and laughing about the past. Laughing about life. I'm not a fan of autocorrecting life. If someone gets fired for what they tweeted 5 years ago it speaks volumes about a culture and not in a good way. Twitter is merely aiming to de-risk itself from lawsuits. do with writing, software, running or high performance. Traffi

[@luvjourdan]

Of course the twitter CEO would say he gets a spiritual connection to others through twitter. I listened to the first few sentences without knowing who this person was and thought "WTF, everyone thinks twitter is negative poison for your mind" then I red the video description...

[@AccessCode101]

Would you mind taking a moment to analyze this scenario? Say you see 10,000 people conversing, watching, talking, dancing, taking pictures, eating... you fill me. Probably you've visited places like this: big cities, big malls, etc. You don't see people in these places caring -other thank thinking about it- about what the other people are doing or saying, right? You don't. Barely. Perhaps a couple of teenagers not minding their own business. Where does the *toxicness* come into play? Suppose you watch a couple and hear them talk about the Celtics losing the game, and bla bla bla. Would you interrupt and join the conversation? You could. They also could ghost you and go away. Would you criticize a dancer in the streets to his/her face? Would you mock a musician playing an instrument at the mall? *There are dozens of thing you wouldn't do/say in the flesh that you definitely would online*. But there are people who'd do the same positive thing online and in person. So, who is toxic? Twitter or the people? Do you know how many toxic things are there in the Bible? Would you call it toxic because of it? Spending too much time on Twitter is as bad as spending too much time in almost anything. That doesn't mean there aren't good things about Twitter. For starters, it employs thousands of people. It benefits thousands of businesses; and it's so powerful, that a single twit can start a war, or end one. Do not overuse Twitter, or any social media, for that matter. Block toxic people that troll, and people that engage in propaganda. But most importantly, never follow people whose purpose online is to create misinformation.

[@lolabella5574]

@@AccessCode101 I totally agree.

[@Squawpeak13]

#coverofftheball RR great insight on this digital medium and cool insight on a Tech Genius

[@walker2837]

Lost me at "Twitter is spiritual"

[@emilynixon8864]

Twitter is a criminal organisation is more accurate

[@eve.explore]

it's sound bites of the super consciousness / world consciousness. And, a lot of it is ugly.

[@The72Nana]

I thought I heard wrong. Apparently not. Spiritual? Haha.

[@gallerksee]

Great thanks for that! Very inspiring!

[@chriscarter296]

" LIFE TIME PEACE LOVE "

[@feliciagriffith2637]

Wow, I wish I had. A podcast

[@cathscraigs]

good convo...🙂

[@bellalorenzi9699]

Thank you Jack for coming to Myanmar to mediate. I didn’t know that you were in our country. I work as a Tour Guide speaking English and Italian, I wish I could accompany you to meditation center in Pyin Oo Lwin where you have been. I have studied a lot on Theravada Buddhism and meditation and I’m still learning practiced. Now our country is in a mess with civil war because of greedy evil Dictator Min Aung Hlaing…….

[@katesmitt9222]

#Jack I do not undestand the financial games and wars, but I believe you.

[@ChassieNix]

Last night, was the first time I every listened to or paid attention to Jack Dorsey. I found him very fascinating. He doesn’t seem egotistical at all. Great interview, Thanks Rich.

[@emilynixon8864]

Just a sinister tech billionaire censoring the truth and free speech while aiding and abetting political criminals whom have committed treason. They aren’t a platform they are a publisher and they need to be regulated and held to account. They are in bed with some of the most corrupt and sinister people in politics and the planet.

[@kkpaine]

@@emilynixon8864 what’s being done to middle class in US, spreading to other “developed “ countries is predatory

[@katesmitt9222]

I had write my first assay about SanFransisco in the 10 class and 2 years later at the exams. It will be interesting to know how I think at that time.

[@katesmitt9222]

#3Swallow The Elton Olga had many death'S hEAd

[@mhg146]

It is annoying for people to criticize based on their limited personal experience on a platform that is being used by millions. If you find Twitter to be this gross what are you doing there?

[@GOD999MODE]

Not a fan of twitter, never used it, still can't see why it's useful tbh. I think because of celebrities using it and smartphone/mobile apps becoming commonplace it blew up, but generally-speaking if people cared less about what others had to say and focused on their own goals and dreams, there would be less attention on social media. After all it's just a thought factory. Nevertheless, Jack Dorsey seems like a genuinely good fellow. He seems to have the emotional IQ and intuitive capacity to be at the helm of the warzone that is Twitter.

[@stellaborealis4846]

Wow. Jack is so interesting. I love his mind.

[@craigthurlow9308]

I’d like to use this ARROGANT “LAW UNTO HIMSELF” LEFTARDED CUNTS head for a SPEEDBALL🖕👊🏿

[@mralexander99]

I loved it Rich......it is good to know that the planet 🌍 is in capable hands as we go forth => “Where No One Has Gone Before” ❤️...little did I know about just how significant the depth of the “Global Conversation” that is evolving through this tech innovation is being led by a person with his interests’ so aligned with LISTENING 👂....thank you 🙏

[@katesmitt9222]

#Jack Roal coat of arms in Kolomenskoye 2019 is it true?

[@YKKY]

I like Jack and I love Rich, but darn, Jack, WE NEED AN EDIT BUTTON on Twitter :D Thank you kindly!

[@Ben-zq6hg]

Fascinating interview ...

[@theippster8891]

Rich was correct to point out that his podcast tour would probably have gone over better if he had something concrete to roll out as a course correction to the platform as opposed to just saying this, this & this are our focus b/c we don't do them well. Consequently people don't trust him anymore now than they did before. He seems a genuinely thoughtful person but oddly disconnected in some way to the real and toxic danger of his company right now, he needs to make some changes fast!

[@kkpaine]

Too invested in thinking he/tech should be the be all, end all. If Twitter can sense pheromones then might be able to be good for humanity.

[@lolabella5574]

This was a very interesting podcast. One thing is to know Jack Dorsey was Twitter's CEO and another is to hear him talk and share his philosophy of life. I liked it.

[@l.a.q.hanley5852]

Rich... you seem so authentic. How could you fall for him?

[@katesmitt9222]

#Jack 1001 Night Tea I and my friend Valera find drinkable beside workbreaks. I find it.

[@katesmitt9222]

#Jack Eat well.

[@buckeye200175]

We all become persons behind the curtain

[@katesmitt9222]

#Jack Мы с братом выполняли поделки из конструктора, бумаги и получали многоточии там в подарок. Приходится теперь ставить Высокие силы.

[@This1Person]

This is good. Not attacking, just talking. Thank you.

[@katesmitt9222]

#Jack до изоляции читала, что менять фильтр мужская работа, но раз я и Баба я и Бык, я и Рыба и Мужик.

[@buckeye200175]

Everybody now has a digital soapbox and now an audit trail

[@kkpaine]

Right

[@mvunduk]

Great insight into a lying psychopaths life

[@kyleaider9867]

what did he lie about and why are you calling him a psychopath?

[@BriJo91]

Can you give me the name of the brand of shoes he was talking about for running?

[@kkpaine]

Earth Runners

[@katesmitt9222]

#Jack Когда настроение скучаю по маме находишь видио из краснодарской пошивочной.

[@manuelcardonaez]

2:05:30 In square we never use the word User

[@moonbeaches]

Jack, Spirituality is energy. So if Twitter is spiritual let’s do a Pay It Forward culture.🔆🔅🔆🔅🔆

[@RedPillVegan]

_Social consciousness drives me_ *...unless your political views differ from the prevailing silicon valley trends* _(butter in your coffee anyone?)_ - how fascinating.

[@jbt6007]

Yeah it was driving Elizabeth Holmes too. Look what was behind her curtain.

[@warhag]

not to ride the silicon dick, but butter coffee is fucking amazing for your focus, but you can use tee too, just start slow and slowly add the butter cause if you arent used to it it may be a little uncomfortable. I drink buttergreentee every morning and it almost makes me high, overflow of positive energy and if you dont fucking chug espressos like beercans at springbreak you will not crash. Just cause silicon valley started drinking it doesnt mean they own the benefits. Monks drink buttertee to aid their meditation cause it enhances focus and the butter gives stable energy levels over time, it doesnt cause a bloodsugar spike like sugarheavy energy shit or coffee with sugar and milk. Try it out for yourself dont let these sillicons kidnap this awesome beverage its amazing

[@RedPillVegan]

Warhag 😂

[@spinkyl9559]

What aspect of social consciousness involves deleting thousands of accounts of people supporting arresting pedophiles, while allowing pedophile and porn accounts to remain unhindered?

[@emilynixon8864]

Criminal organisation. They aren’t a platform they are a publisher and need to be regulated and held to account. He’s a straight out liar and they push the agenda of their puppet masters and hide the truth and crimes of some of the most corrupt elite and politicians ever. Censoring the truth and free speech every day! Belongs in jail.

[@jbt6007]

Nice PR move -- dress it up as Solitude and Self Care. No point in trying to rebrand as Buddha -- we know the deal. What's behind the curtain? Capitalism, plain and simple. Expand, increase your profits. Nothing wrong with that, we live in a capitalist society. Let's just stop calling it disruption, breaking things, socially conscious and all that other nonsense. I'll go check out a good self help book at the library to brush up on my self care and solitude.

[@Tyreeleslie]

I'm I'm new to j Meditation

[@fefifofob]

It's a slippery slope jack.

[@katesmitt9222]

#Jack Когда попадаешь в Евклидово пространство. Даже не стала учить без Папы.

[@IsItVeg]

Just read the comments not sure I should waste my time with this

[@artemisiapittora]

📍📌. starting at 1:14:10 jack's pow for coding the @ for twitter

[@IndiangolferUSA]

This guy is the embodiment of what SN goenka did not teach..

[@CORRIGEEN71]

When you have your financial life sorted you can move to these other interests

[@katesmitt9222]

#Jack Защитник Отечества.

[@katesmitt9222]

#Jack Поцелуй на Посвящении - Крещении Брата Своего.

[@katesmitt9222]

#Jack Институт Приборостроения я прародина, Брат подсказывал, и вернулась на Круги Своя. Там где институт Приборостроения Плешка, Институт Пирогов а и Служба Судебных Приставов. Отмени Указ найди Друзей.

[@katesmitt9222]

#Jack Королевство Кривых зеркал. Замечательный Фильм. Алиса в Зазеркалье - обратная сторона.

[@vanshbhardwaj4214]

2:11:35

[@robburson6761]

Seems like I saw something for a Cal Newport podcast? That would be the perfect antithetical podcast to this one.

[@forestrunner8922]

Personally rich I WISH you would do podcast with someone like Bobby’s perspective.. I kinda like your easygoing non confrontational approach and would love u to bounce off his arguments which are stupid about how the vegans are from ( the dark side)’ lil

[@chleoi4160]

I don't use Twitter, but Jack is an amazing & inspiring person ❤ It seems to me that Jack Dorsey could be a soulmate to Julie Piatt... Rich, maybe you should introduce them 😉

[@brucemarsico6]

Amazing and inspiring? He's another over paid, over indulgent...providing something you can damn well do without. I don't have twitter, don't really know or care what its value is. He's wealthy, so therefore, he's valuable...nothing more.

[@leftnotasorphans1125]

Yeah he's all for conversation unless it's something HE doesn't WANT discussed 😂. Like what just happened with the 'unplanned' movie where tens of thousands of followers were dropped, the page was banned for a time, and then there was mysterious glitch where people couldn't view their page. #jackfraud #notprogress

[@katesmitt9222]

#Jack вот это красивое здание с Синими стёклами?

[@jorge8g97]

1:40:00

[@katesmitt9222]

#Jack калиточек у меня много.

[@dobcsek]

He's weird, but I like him. I am sure he's a great boss who does not micromanage and who empowers his people.

[@MrM0saic]

Twitters represents spirituality… 😂🤣

[@buckeye200175]

Text that is limited so words are chosen more carefully than conservation but your and your audiences voice and reaction is also limited in that their is no body language . That can be positive or negative

[@jones2277]

when you have so much money, no kids, no marriage, you have to seek out stressors so you can remind yourself you're still alive.

[@Ethawa]

I like him.

[@katesmitt9222]

#Jack Это я разорила кристалл мечты.

[@katesmitt9222]

#Jack Маски я ещё с 2010 собираю, когда малинники сгорели в Лесу.

[@katesmitt9222]

#Jack приди на ЭГЕ по математике с инженерным калькулятором.

[@katesmitt9222]

#Jack Когда папа просит найти ему шарф для похода к врачу и другие Спортивки. Кот метит последний 5 диван. Вообще, с какого конца не возьми - сойдется.

[@curious4027]

i feel like the first thirty seconds contradicts everything that twitter has become. he says the whole point of everything is to share information and that it's spirtual and powerful to be a part of that. then he turns around and censors stuff

[@gehtdichnixan4704]

Listen through

[@curious4027]

@@gehtdichnixan4704 he seems confused. like he wants to do a really good thing and is aware that he kinda doesnt always do a good thing and kinda unintentionally may be doing one of the worst things

[@gehtdichnixan4704]

@@curious4027 he talks at length about what good twitter does. And that there will always be people trying to abuse the service. And that they are doing everything they can to improve their processes. And... just listen. Hosting global conversation is an enormously difficult task. They did not expect it to become so huge when they started 14 years ago, pre-smartphone

[@katesmitt9222]

#Jack У нас есть выражение пелена с глаз упала и держите меня семеро.

[@brettpullen7853]

Can't wait to hear how many times Jack pumps bitcoin.

[@Notrocketscience101]

😂 it’s always those that have it “all figured out” and need to tell you how to live, that end up crashing and burning the hardest.

[@tblightningbolt8902]

Ultra partisan Jack Dorsey. Twitter is hell

[@katesmitt9222]

#Jack Сабельник я прописала маме в 2014 как противосполительное, врач прописал лекарство, которое повышает кортизол. Кортизол=тяга к сладкому.

[@katesmitt9222]

#Jack Из Варяг в Греки помнится Афанасьевна. Первый предатель хорош. Иванов Орлиц по лицу не отличить.

[@mwatkins0590]

"I was thinking about how i could tap into the worst aspects of the addictive need for humans to socialize so I could make as much money as possible"

[@graceghazaii4434]

Didn't he shut down a sitting U.S. President's twitter account?

[@katesmitt9222]

#Jack когда ни твой Дед ни отец на кнопку компьютера не нажимали ни разу, а все новости из интернета называли помойкой.

[@katesmitt9222]

#Jack я Вам фильтр для Воды подкину?

[@sharaxembrie7253]

Great question :: “what are the indicators of healthy conversation?” ➡️ shared attention, shared reality, receptivity, variety of perspective 💯

[@kkpaine]

Think that’s good?

[@katesmitt9222]

#Jack Одно дело рвать занавески - другое шить.