Jacob Elordi and Actors Who Hate Their Work

[@Maria_745]

Do the people who get offended by this not understand acting is a job? Getting asked "why do you want to work here" and answering "I need a job" is incredibly relatable for me, a regular person, applying for jobs

[@mylittlepeonies8693]

I genuinely think they don’t think it’s a job😂 it’s the classic “you’re making a lot of money so shut up and don’t even think of expressing any negative feelings because that makes you ungrateful and we’ve decided that that’s basically a federal crime deserving of endless trolling”

[@cheekschu2152]

Lol kinda agree

[@phoebe256]

It's so crucial to acknowledge how people like Elordi and Pattison can bash their work and be "cool" but when Rachel Zegler does it, she's "insufferable." The double standard is weird and honestly, I am sending all of the well wishes to her and her success. She killed it in the Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes and I bet she's going to be incredible in Snow White. Some people are so chronically online, I stg. Editing this to add: Rachel is incredibly young (22 years old as of me writing this), so maybe that's worth considering. She's learning. Be kind. Further editing this to add: I have seen clips of Rachel stating in an interview that her costar's role could be completely cut from a film and "that's Hollywood." I agree with criticism that that is unacceptable and disrespectful. But also remember she is likely being encouraged by Disney to "girl boss." So let's all point and laugh at the big company funding these things :)

[@shradhachawan4569]

I wonder if her delivery of this opinion made a difference ? I love her but I'm trying to think from the perspective of her critics

[@moatrboat]

agreed. it''s so obvious to me at this point. exhausting too.

[@Bizarro69]

Clearly Zegler is not insufferable to you. People were panning those movies and those performances back then. Zegler is talking smack about a beloved movie under a cloud of criticism for another live remake.

[@madinp1177]

Of course, misogyny plays a part in women always getting harsher criticism than their male counterparts, but you are completely ignoring the fact that they're distancing themselves from it years on whereas Zegler has been talking shit about her project before it has even come out. Elordi and Pattinson are also only talking about the work that they were a part of, not an incredibly influential and beloved piece of work that has stood the test of time like Zegler has been with her criticisms of the original Snow White film.

[@lex770]

@@shradhachawan4569 It's just misogyny - most people who I still see keep harassing her over those words are redpill men and people who farm egagement from them. The genuine critisism already mostly died out, because people said their piece and let it go instead of dragging the poor girl through the dirt for an opinion that anti-woke crowd doesn't agree with. They don't hate her because she doesn't love the character, they hate her because they hate anything that is 'woke' and she is an easy target.

[@gowhiteboy2117]

I am SO GLAD you talked about Rachel Zegler. I am biased because I personally adore her, but I think this internet dogpiling has driven me mad. Especially when people talk about how they “owe this celebrity an apology” but then repeat it OVER and OVER again. Also I want to point out that everyone is dragging her for the new Snow White movie being “woke”. SHE DIDN’T WRITE THE DAMN MOVIE! It drives me mad that people are treating her like she is the downfall of Disney. Rachel Zegler get behind me I’ll defend you.

[@erinbilliot3935]

THANK YOU! I’ve loved her since before West Side Story and it just makes me so annoyed that she got the opportunity of a lifetime with that, constantly talks about how grateful she is, and people are still looking for reasons to hate her. Just let her do her job geez

[@MechBlank]

the rachel zegler hate train has been driving me INSANE because i really only knew her from the WSS remake which i loved her in, and i was trying to find any kind of legit reason why people were criticizing her and just kept coming up with nothing??? it also feels worth pointing out that all the men you talked about were white while she’s a woman of color, and therefore even more garbage is gonna be directed her way

[@thatrantinggirl7376]

She’s actually a white Latina which makes a lot of the Snow White hate even more ridiculous (ppl r mad bc snow whites supposed to be white)

[@hazelsingh3887]

There’s no legit reason, it’s basically all misogyny.

[@staebs]

People aren't thrilled at changing the race of a storybook character (which I could see as a valid criticism) and are projecting that anger onto the poor actress who got that part, which is completely nonsensical. Were they expecting her to just turn down the opportunity of a lifetime because of her skin color??? If there is legitimate criticism here (*that isn't racism, as that's certainly part of it) it should fall solely on the Disney execs who are choosing to race swap beloved characters instead of actually creating new and inventive stories for the current generation of children.

[@Nitrodino7875]

@@staebshow is changing the race of a character a valid criticism. Unless that character has events in their life that deal with their race it doesn’t matter now does it?

[@elliot__agares]

​@staebs She's still white She's not black, or yellow, or brown, or indigenous She's white, but she's a white person from Latin America, that's it, there was no changed race The only pre-requisite for snow white is that she's white (disney version), wich the actress is

[@britnicox3929]

As Coco Jones once said “yes, I did that. And you would do it too for a check!” And there’s nothing wrong with that. Idk why people act like they’re kicking a puppy for being honest

[@madysonandres9571]

I mean if YOU were on The Kissing Booth you’d also hate it.

[@harryjamesmiller]

real!

[@abbyz13]

literally nobody wanted that movie, least of all those who acted in it lol

[@hazelsingh3887]

Right? And some people are praising the movies now as if they aren’t toxic and weird. Also just bad, they need to stop using Wattpad as screenplay inspiration.

[@AWJavier0808]

Fact

[@adeline.is.sleepy]

all I can think about is Constance Wu being dragged back in 2019 for getting upset that _Fresh Off the Boat_ kept getting renewed, which meant she had to turn down a bunch of projects she was really keen about. people attacked her for wanting to do other things instead of the show. she attempted suicide because the blowback was so harsh. she didn't deserve that.

[@NJGuy1973]

Kate Jackson was offered the lead in "Kramer vs. Kramer" but had to turn it because of her commitment to "Charlie's Angels." She then left the show.

[@blueblack3591]

What on earth? How horrible

[@nocturnalnewsie]

The glaring hate for Rachel that to me as someone who barely pays attention to press about movies came out of nowhere, makes so much more sense now that you've explained her speaking out about her movies next to other actors all of whom are men. Like ohhhhhh yeah the unfair microscope placed on women's (and people who don't fall under the American ideal of white's) words when men get praised for saying the same or even more harsh and honest thing is happening again. I would say fork spotted in the kitchen but its its more like oh i forgot that the fork does get commonly spotted in the kitchen. Like the double standard makes me so angry especially because its so easy to forget that its a important factor in ALOT of criticisms in general

[@beafraid5467]

Tbh i never understood ppl praising Rob for his disdain for twilight like he passed some decent guy test. "Look how he hates it, look how he cringes at these annoying little girls that love him!" It’s also interesting how it’s never the female contrepart that demonstrates that behavior. (Iirc the main guy from 50 shades also disliked the series pretty overtly) I’m 100% sure the reactions would be less inclined to praise the lead actress doing this and would steer closer to ’oh she’s so entitled and ungrateful’ territory.

[@raelrojas5263]

Absolutely! It also plays a certain role in this that twilight is for teen girls and middle age women, so hating it makes you correct and funny. And when people get called out on hating only ""girls"" (men can and should like stuff regardless of gender) stuff, they go "well actually, is toxic and pedophilia. So I'm doing this to protect girls", then go on to love indiana jones, a hero who canonically groomed a sixteen year old, and celebrates everything that perpetuates abuse.

[@andimoz]

nah kristen stewart is also pretty vocal about how she disliked twilight and how dumb the overall story was and i've only ever seen people like her more for it. it helps that she's shown she's actually a great actress with the indie roles she's taken up since the end of the series

[@viniciusbfonseca]

Except that Kristen Stewart and Anna Kendrick have bashed Twilight and Dakota Johnson has bashed 50 Shades

[@Marmalade-_-]

Rob honestly did a piss poor job at playing Edward. He read Edwards internal dialog and thought it would be good to show it externally. He took all his charm away because he read a couple chapters of midnight sun a decade before it was released. There was a reason to fall in love with book Edward, but because of Rob there wasn't a single thing to actually like about movie Edward. Him hating on twilight is spitting in the face of everyone who enjoyed it and we eat that shit up. The only reason people love that he hates it is because we enjoy making fun of things teen girls like.

[@RedMoonSolitary]

No Kristen has definitely expressed her dislike but okay

[@mvwinf]

the tweet about miles morales was fully racism. rachel being a young woman in the public eye is hugely important to this discussion, but so is her being latina (and outspokenly proud of it)

[@oxXMangaGirlXxo]

100%

[@TegoPsaDom]

So how did you feel about acting in the "Jacob Elordi and Actors Who Hate Their Work", Mr Miller?

[@harryjamesmiller]

honestly? the director wasn't great, and production was a little rushed towards the end. i'm hoping my next gig is a little more artist friendly

[@LynshereeEastman]

i like when actors speak up about their roles. its ok to hate your job but take it for the experience and what it might lead to..just like a non acting job lol "its great when you dont have to lie about this shit" also true about all jobs

[@alyssapinon9670]

Hot take: aside from the obvious gender double standards, I think more people are ok with dunking on twilight and kissing booth because both promote pretty toxic relationships. Meanwhile Snow White is a product of its time but overall wholesome in its message. Still think it’s ridiculous that Jacob Elordi and Rob Pattinson get praised for doing the same thing people hate on Rachel zegler for doing.

[@starsiadraws]

Sorry but I disagree. Even movies/shows that are well written are very likey to be ignored or sh*t on JUST because their target demographic is girls/young women. Look at Turning Red, for example. Old white men basically treates that movie as an alien film just because the main story was about a young Asain-Canadian girl going through changes and becoming a teenager. Even though plenty of movies with that same premise get praised because the protag is a white boy

[@alyssapinon9670]

@@starsiadraws I agree with the sentiment but by that logic the film bros would be bashing on Snow White too since it’s the epitome of girl-centered media. Maybe the need to dogpile on a young actress outweighed the need to bash a girly movie though. So now all the film bros are acting like Snow White is their favorite movie even though they probably haven’t watched it in years.

[@denomen3391]

what wholesome message did snow white present?

[@alyssapinon9670]

@@denomen3391 staying kind in spite of abuse and finding chosen family

[@raelrojas5263]

Sorry, but I whole heartedly disagree. At least those are made by women for women, and isn't actually apealing to the guys that are actually responsible for going on and doing that kind of shit. Do you know what is one of the most celebrated movies in history, "indiana jones" a movie catered to men that celebrates a university teacher doing statuatory rape to a teen. People like to give moral excuses, only when they already have decided to hate on it because its for """"girls"""". If a thing is for guys they never have to abide by those standarts. Not getting into how also this arguments are usually victim-blamey, in a she is reaponsible for being able to enjoy power dinamics in fiction, not the guys actually abusing them in real life.

[@merlesstorys]

Okay, two things for a defense about Rachel Zegler… One, it’s not like Disney doesn’t want to portray the same ideals about the new movie in comparison to the old movie. This is probably what they want and they are ruining a young actress’s career by pushing her to say it. Second, regarding the blatant sexism on display here: A man ist allowed to react. A woman can only overact. (- TS)

[@elishahdavis]

the taylor swift quote is EXACTLY what i was thinking!!

[@christineviolas]

gobbling joke AFTER thanksgiving? it’s giving thanksgiving leftovers >:(

[@jade_960]

Vibes.

[@shadowslash932]

I think David Lynch has the best response to this when his film Dune is brought up. His attitude is basically i hate it as i didnt get artistic freedom and it was a huge disappointment but if you like it then im glad it had some postive outcomes.

[@fugitive_]

A lot of comments are about rachel zegler and her hate she got and i also feel like that clip, makes her out to be hating on DC which people also get mad about even tho i think the general opinion was that shazam wasnt that great. When ever people do a harmless job and say i just needed money or a job i just think get that bag 🤷🏼

[@fugitive_]

Also watching rachel gush about how excited she is to be in snow white is adorable and made me smile :)

[@snowpoler]

That's so true. And in regards to that, honestly - Even as someone who generally likes superheroes and doesn't think we should get rid of superhero stories ENTIRELY... the MCU and DCEU need to chill and actually let other movies of other genres take the spot at the theatres too. They've been going downhill for a few years now already anyway

[@rosielynn2362]

It's funny cause I feel like hes playing the same roll in euphoria as he did in the kissing booth

[@lyricholmes1827]

I really don’t understand the Rachel Zegler hate. She seems like a really talented broadway actress. She met her boyfriend on the set of WSS and initially turned down the role for the Hunger Games prequel because she’d just been filming in London and wanted to be with her family instead. But when her boyfriend got cast in the prequel (which the casting director had no idea they were dating, he’s just a good actor in his own right) she asked if they’d reconsider her because she really wanted to work alongside him again and wouldn’t have to be away from him anymore, which I thought was quite sweet. You know, turning down such a big and lucrative role to be with family and loved ones. And from what I’ve seen from BTS she got along with the rest of the cast and enjoyed making the film. She’s even admitted to loving the HG books and films, which is nice, and not always a given. She’s 22, so of course, she was apart of the teen dystopia craze like the rest of us Gen-Z people and loved the books. Equally, from what I’ve heard, the film is quite good…so I just don’t get it. She doesn’t seemed conceited at all. Just you know, a normal person. Honestly, it’s so backwards that male actors can admit when they’re just doing a job for a pay check and don’t really like the script, but female actors get slated for it. If I got offered a bunch of money to be part of a Marvel franchise, I’d take it even if I didn’t particularly like the script. If Jacob and Rob can admit to not liking a franchise they were apart of, why can’t she? It’s Shazam 2, it ain’t that deep! Also, Rachel didn’t even say she hated Snow White, she just said she doesn’t like the (arguably) old-fashion rhetoric of the woman always being saved by the man in classic fairy tales. She wanted something more modern, like a female lead having her own ambitions and interests or, alternatively, saving herself instead of waiting around to be rescued. And since the new Snow White is doing a more modern take on the story, she said she was excited to be apart of it. Which, in my opinion, if you’re going to do a remake, you should change the story (at least a little), have a fresh take, present new ideas and themes which build upon the story. Otherwise, what’s the point? We’ve already seen Snow White. If I wanted to see it again, I’d watch it again. Do something different. Also, bringing Rachel’s race into it too is so low. Snow White being white absolutely had nothing to do with the story, and added absolutely nothing to plot. If it was relevant in anyway, I’d get it, but c’mon. It was the same thing with Ariel, like, be so for real, what does it even matter? Rachel isn’t even dark-skinned, she’s half-Columbian. She’s a white Latina. God forbid the girl catches a tan, she’ll be crucified.

[@erinbilliot3935]

Exactly, and what’s even crazier is people getting mad at her for “only taking the job because of her boyfriend”. She’s allowed to not want to do a role for personal reasons and for changing her mind. it’s none of our business and she did amazing in the movie.

[@amywestlund]

I’m so confused about the Rachel zegler hate, I know practically nothing about her but I assumed she said something much worse about the movie based on all the shit I’ve been seeing people say 😂 if it’s really just those two clips of her and that snippet from the article then I’m just wondering what exactly she said that was even bad lol

[@legsorcist]

the the first time i found out who rachel was my friend dmed me after i rted some random joke tweet of hers a full essay about how much she hated her that literally just boiled down to her being annoying. this was before any of the stuff you showed in the video happened. genuinely wanna know what’s going on there with her tbh

[@ravenrose297]

Ever since I saw your video about Italian conservatives (I'm Italian and literally no one outside of this country talks about these people) I can't stop watching your videos.

[@neivilde.1242]

i love that your mind went to alden talking about solo, and mine went to beautiful creatures lmao, i have not seen that man since 2013

[@metatum]

Harry it’s the sexism

[@metatum]

Harry this is the part where I admit I did not finish the video before I commented and also I knew you knew you get it

[@discordantcongregate5355]

I love the 2010s boy band hair, it honestly suits you

[@neptunehenriksen]

This is so real. And also, it's possible to enjoy things that are bad. Whether it's like you say, watching Twilight with friends, or just being open enough to watch something and see the good in the bad. Most "awful" pieces of art have redeeming qualities (derogatory).

[@casexy8305]

I also think its so important to talk about the ways in which the media theyre often talking so badly about are for girls, which just adds an extra level of patrichary to the who situation

[@sadbunny23]

Exactly, it's always the media aimed at women that gets dragged. I hate that interview with Pattinson in particular though, it's so sexist and holier than thou blergh.

[@moonie9523]

i’m just thinking about how awful people would be to joey king or kristen stewart if they were to openly bash their movies like their male costars. kristen already gets so much hate for playing bella (even though it was a writing problem not an acting problem) and i’d hate for another actress to receive the insults she has.

[@ellieh0397]

I was having a cup of tea and nearly spit it when you said The banshees of Ed Sheeran 😂😂😂

[@alanna-maryquinn1193]

Gobbling up this video fr

[@dumbasabell]

I just wanna hop on here real quick and appreciate the fact that you brought up what's happening in the middle east. #freepalestine ❤

[@HamiGirl1]

glad to have you here to give me the lore drama i've never heard about regarding people i also havent heard of lmao. i love being a fly on the wall 🙏

[@parentspatterns]

Thank you for the choices season 1 finale update, Harry 😍🥰

[@Man-ej6uv]

i'm trying to voice act and some of the things i audition for, i wouldn't be caught dead watching or enjoying. but i need experience and money dammit. a job is a job.

[@SarahPaceSings]

Something is missing though. All of those guys were talking ish about projects they were in. Rachel was talking ish about the original that she was not in. That is different. I dont disagree there is sexism at play. With that said, we’re comparing two different things here

[@reneebush2399]

I think something else that might be at play here (with the misogyny and racism) is that the people who are cheering on those guys genuinely don’t like the movies that they were in either. With Zegler some people are getting defensive because they are defending a nostalgic movie from their childhood. I think that is why you have seen some fans of the kissing booth be critical of Eldori’s comments as well. Of course doesn’t discount any misogyny/racism at play with the Zegler criticism.

[@sarahstephens9005]

I am so, so with you on this but my own nitpicking tendencies have me saying here... get all the actors from West Side Story jobs except Ansel Elgort (weakest link in the film, more importantly though, several well documented r*pe allegations)

[@harryjamesmiller]

so true!

[@Measuresderepo]

Can’t get over that Joel Courtney was in the Kissing Booth and friggin immediately goes into… Jesus Revolution

[@katekoppe2187]

bieber fever is chronic 😔

[@leahflaherty9756]

that pronunciation of keoghan is criminal :0

[@sarahk1780]

dakota johnson has semi spoken against 50 shades of gray but she didnt receive the same hate. also these days i see a lot of hate for doja admitting some of her songs are cash grabs. def has to do with how women are treated but also further white women vs women of color could also have something to do with it, i saw some hate for bri larson but not as much as rachel. just a thought

[@alexanderwilliams4256]

I like how you included Poirot as an IP on an equal level to Marvel or Star Wars.

[@chloeemary]

This was so entertaining! I may have to watch some old rob pat interviews hahaha

[@sierras.pov_]

WAIT- the banshees of ed sheeran 🤣🤣

[@andrearodriguez8003]

This is one of your best videos (Even if you're a little stressed and tired). Remember to take time to rest!!❤

[@MegCazalet]

Got my Cranberry Sprite last week 😊 I stock up. Well I actually kinda hoard. I still have Peeps Pepsi from Easter. I can’t wait for the next Coke Creations, hoping it will be a Starlight or Move and not a dud like I thought the rest have been. I LOVE Coke Starlight so much I still have bottles that are absolutely flat but I’ll drink them. They’re my biggest comfort. I wish Pepsi would do their Holiday Spice from 20 years ago. I LOVE LIMITED EDITION AND SEASONAL SODAS!

[@YMBERISMISSING]

I thought at 7:57 you were talking about The Rock and Black Adam

[@harryjamesmiller]

another good example!

[@jrutstein]

The Big Day comparison is amazing

[@cheaptadpole]

it could also probably be that a lot of the straight white dudes shitting on thing that made them famous are also shitting on projects primarily catered to teenage girls...like the kissing booth and twilight are genuinely horrendus but its also kinda disrespectful to the people who did like it lol especially since jacob elordi or robert pattinson's problems with them aren't because of how actually problematic both those series' are (eg twilight basically being conservative mormon propaganda, or just the entirety of jacon elordi's character from kissing booth) i was never on the twilight train (i was Not Like The Other Girls) but robert pattinson's disdain for it always left a bad taste in my mouth

[@andimoz]

i disagree. i was very much into the twilight craze when i was younger but i can fully see how bad the movies/books actually are now and how many of the characters are just toxic but i can still enjoy the content now as an adult and have fond memories of when i was younger while also making fun of it and how absurd it all is now lol

[@cheaptadpole]

oh yeah i'm not saying people can't enjoy it, i'm saying it doesn't seem like the type of White Guy (like rpat or elordi) who wants to distance himself from it is not doing it because of the legitamate problems, he's doing because he thinks it's cringe/that he's above it@@andimoz

[@SheoapOMurph-ve5cg]

me squeaking at the Todd rundgren reference

[@romywhite290]

The Twilight commentary track is all RPatz ragging on it.

[@raelrojas5263]

Can I just say, I'm super tired of Twilight hate, and never enjoyed that Robert Patinson got so much praise for hating on them. I feel like there is also a clear double standart on critizing them based on who wrote the stories behind those movies and who are meant to enjoy them. Women. Even if it portraks relations that are toxic, they are clearly kinky to some degree and catered to women, the movie doesn't appeal to the actual men doing the shitty toxic thing in real life. While movies like "Indiana Jones" celebrate a guy doing statuatory rape to a 16 year old (and george lucas stated he wanted her to be even younger). Those are the movies that are actually catered to the men who abuse power dinamics. And no one cares Also there is this victim-blamey feeling about all this. As if women enjoying and being turned on by power dinamics in fiction, are somehow responsible for the men in real life abusing them. I'm not saying you are wrong to enjoy any movie "Indiana jones" or "Twilight" I'm saying there is a clear biass pushing hate on womens media, and then going on to make up a moral reason just to not feel bad about the subconscious sexism most people partake in.

[@FirstnameLastname-zq8oy]

I highly disagree with this comment- im sorry but twilight is genuinely a garbage piece of fiction (other than it being a "so bad its good" or "fun bad" movie), and robert pattinson criticising / making fun of how badly the plot is written, and how badly the characters in twilight are written, and how toxic bella and edward's relationship is, is completely valid (and kristen stewart also does the exact same thing making fun of the twilight movies lmfao). Neither robert pattinson nor kristen stewart are making fun of the movie because it was written by a woman or because it caters to young girls, theyre making fun of it because its just a bad piece of media (outside the nostalgia factor). Even many twilight fans who grew up with the movies/books acknowledge that they are objectively bad movies/books in hindsight. Although I will agree that there were many boys at the time who jumped on the twilight hate bandwagon for the wrong reasons because it was a cheesy romance movie aimed at girls, so I dont disagree that misogyny definitely did play a part in the twilight hate, HOWEVER making fun of twilight doesnt make you misogynistic because it is still a trash series that glorifies and romanticises a toxic and abusive relationship to young girls.

[@FirstnameLastname-zq8oy]

Please be fr, edward and bella's relationship wasnt kinky, it was predatory, creepy and toxic. A key thing about "kinky" relationships is consent. Not to mention twilight wasnt aimed at adult women, it was aimed at young impressionable teen girls who ended up romanticising edward and bella's relationship because they were very young and didnt know any better / couldnt recognise how toxic the relationship was. Thats not to say that all media about toxic relationships is bad, but there's a very big difference between consuming and enjoying fiction about a toxic couple that is deliberately portrayed as toxic by the creator and the audience KNOWS is toxic, vs consuming and enjoying fiction about a toxic couple that is portrayed as romantic by the creator so the audience is unable to recognise how toxic the relationship is. For example, both twilight and the "interview with the vampire" tv show feature toxic vampiric romances where there is a huge power imbalance, but there is a huge difference between how bella and edward's relationship is portrayed vs how Louis and Lestat's relationship is portrayed.

[@FirstnameLastname-zq8oy]

"the movie doesnt appeal to the men doing shitty toxic things in real life" irrelevant point, nobody is arguing that twilight made men do shitty and toxic things, the problem is that twilight romanticised and idealized toxic controlling relationships in the eyes of young teen girls so that they were more likely to be drawn to and seek out these types of relationships. If the media you consume teaches you that these toxic relationships are romantic (especially as a young impressionable teen), then you will be less likely to identify red flags and recognise toxic relationships in the real world, especially if you yourself end up in a toxic relationship.

[@FirstnameLastname-zq8oy]

"women enjoying and being turned on by power dynamics in fiction" girl if you're a grown woman turned on by edward and bella's relationship you need to seriously re evaluate some things fr 💀💀 Edward and Bella's relationship was not just about power dynamics, Edward was openly extremely controlling and possessive towards bella and his behaviour was portrayed as romantic. I also dont think its a good thing to be romanticising relationships with extreme power dynamics in fiction. Power dynamics in sex/smut is one thing, I have no issue with that as long as it is consensual, but romanticising power dynamics in romantic relationships where one person (usually the man) consistently holds alot of power over the other person (usually the woman), and frequently exploits this power dynamic to control the pther person, is just gross and harmful IMO.

[@raelrojas5263]

@@FirstnameLastname-zq8oy So it is completely relevant, cause you very much are explicitly agreeing with the argument I'm against, you are indirectly admitting that you think: Women are more responsible of having to identify red flags (which so many times aren't there until pretty late) to protect themselves, than men and patriarchy of constructing these things in the first place and enforcing it. My point is pretty much propaganda is everywhere and in every movie (romantization of colonialism, violence, the military and cops) and across the board, very little media doesnt contribute to things that are toxic to us. But you prefer to go after the media that although echoes this power dynamics, is targeted to the sexual enjoyment of women (many developed enough to just enjoy the kinky part) than the many MANY movies that actualy target and encourage men to do shitty things. Making these kinds of things dissapear from our culture is equally hard (Imposibly so because there are a lot more factors than just pop culture constructing them), but one is certainly going to be much more effective (stopping the entitlement of men that think they are allowed and owed things from women), and the other is robbing women of at least enjoying themselves. My friends and me knew what red flags you should look for and let me tell you, the world was still a dangerousbplace, going after fiction that women actually enjoy, before any of the actual things causing the abuse in the first place shows a clear biass. Women (Queer and in general minorities) should be free to enjoy life and their kinks without having to be constantly vigilant, scare and responsible; but people love to ask the sacrifice and effort from the wrong people. Ps: Also let me tell you, the sexual enjoyment of these dynamics existed before the reading any of those books, because the construct already permeates our whole society, that is why every one of these books has so much success, it appeals to an already existing thing. Culture solidifies ideoligy it doesn't generate it, there is a lot to do and change before movies. But you are free not to like them, just don't pretend the internets moral crusade against it is justified. Thus, analizing culture, has a philosophical and even moral use, understanding propaganda and how people unconsciously echo the systems constructs and ideoligy, but then the fight should go on to be against those systems. Transform into actual action and not internet fighting

[@MegCazalet]

Oh my, I loved the turtleneck trend of the early 2000s. Is it coming back?

[@raven_moonshine39]

What really sucks is I do have legitimate issues with the way Rachel Zegler talks about the idea of Snow White/Disney Princesses, feminism, and what being progressive looks like, but I can't talk about any of them without people assuming I'm a racist or misogynist.

[@harryjamesmiller]

oh 100%. the idea that falling in love is somehow not feminist is bad, but when the conversation is just "woman = bad" it's harder to have that conversation!

[@gayhomosexuallll]

Does it “really suck?” Lol

[@alyssapinon9670]

@@harryjamesmilleryeah. It just seems like both extremes of 2nd wave/girlboss feminism and blatant misogyny are in a screaming match with each other. I’m sure there are a lot more people who share your opinion but get lost among the loud minority. I’m not going out of my way to defend Rachel any time soon, but it is disheartening that people need to be told that they can dislike a famous woman without sending her death threats.

[@kirosca]

the scriptwriter of snow white is greta gerwig, same writer as the barbie movie and little women. when zegler was talking about the movie she was basing it off the script she worked with, and knowing gerwig, it's definitely going to have a more progressive feminist take. and let's be real, snow white getting saved by being kissed by a rando man in the woods while he thinks she's dead is weird and creepy. zegler essentially said that in this retelling, snow white is empowered to save herself from the queen. i don't think any reasonable person would say that's such a terrible moral to impart in the 21st century 🤷‍♀️

[@ischristinaok]

tbf i think that’s a valid criticism but also i do feel like the phrasing of your point would make it clear you’re not insulting rachel but have a problem with the message that women can’t be progressive and also fall in love with a prince. although i don’t think that was the point rachel was trying to make but that’s besides the point

[@AWJavier0808]

I am so tired of people making actors bad people. jacob elordi is one of my favorite people. He seems nice he cares so much about his character he probably didn't like to make those movies because his character wasn't complex, and the movie was so bad happy for. The other cast seems like they have fun, but people are mad about jacob. elordi, he said he didn't like to make those movies that make no sense. I found that so unfair because everyone has different opinions about everything. I don't know why because I just got tired of it. I was scared to say Something about this, then I watched this someone jacob elordi. Unfortunately, I was like this so unfairly. I just wanted to say something about it because actors are human beings also

[@caro31099]

Actors looking back on a shitty movie they were in and making fun of it just seems like a normal thing for people to do about jobs they’ve had in general. I feel like making fun of the traditional Snow White while they were still promoting the new one was mainly bad timing

[@emilystewart2509]

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[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

Feel better soon!

[@IvnAvent]

While I agree what they all said I love Rachel Ziegler. I think the main reason why people don’t like her is because she said she deserves to be paid for every hour that the film is streamed online

[@IvnAvent]

Also that Gina Carono incident

[@thixiemattel]

I mean I don’t actually want to watch a euphoria without angus cloud anyway that show is over for us

[@mountainmoth]

It always feels so gendered when these topics come up. Robert Patterson? I can guarantee a lot of those "respect" comments were from men, and who was twilight aimed towards? Young women. I can almost guarantee it was the same for Jacob. The film he was in? Aimed towards teenage girls. Shitting on things that girls like (and I'm not talking because of quality here) is a staple in Men Online Behaviour™ so of course when a woman hits back in the exact same way on DC film she gets lambasted

[@blanket4763]

Saying someone looks like an advanced being from 5,000 years in the future is not exactly the insult they thought it was

[@emmaforsyth7459]

“Banshees of Ed Sheeran”❤❤

[@rica3947]

i like robert pattinson and i ofc the twilight movies are kind of trashy and silly but it always irked me how he talked about them and about Stephenie Meyer, there was always a bit of a sexist vibe in the way he ridiculed her and her writing, like calling her crazy. i really don't think a man would talk like that if he was talking about a male author who wrote some silly stuff.

[@alexandradenton1565]

You asked this at the end of the your squid game video not this one, but the subscribe button does light up now 🎉

[@harsheh]

HI Justin ❤

[@blitzunddommer]

Rachel Zegler does NOT deserve the hate shes getting, in the slightest. However, she isnt just talking about how "patriarchy exists". Shes saying kindness in the face of adversity isnt strength if it ends with a marriage. As someone who grew up with abuse at home and saw snow white and cinderella as role models, its... whats the word? Disheartening? But again, shes a great woman, great actress, and i love her in everything ive seen her in

[@marinamaltez5464]

as an actual Latina, there are other reasons for not liking rachel

[@thiirdofdecemberr]

No offense, but you look like cole sprouse

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

Todd Rundgren deep cut?

[@jameswarden5312]

this is not the point of the video at all but how did i not know jacob elordi was australian

[@NissaMaezHartman]

'waaa.. waaah.. I wish i hadn't made rhose movies that everyone loved and made me a star. Life is rough " Cry me a river, pretty boy.

[@deadlvrs]

"everyone loved" girl that's just you

[@NissaMaezHartman]

@@deadlvrs ok, so you obvs don't, but it was a huge success.. that's why they made 3 of those Kissing Booth movies. Elordi made goooood money off of that series.

[@deadlvrs]

An actor starring in a critically panned movie is a horrible start to a career; it is a stain on a resume for an actor who wants to be in drama films. Also, he was homeless and had only $800 after the Kissing Booth lol. Look at the strikes going on -- streaming residuals are minuscule.@@NissaMaezHartman

[@fsdowntown]

Free Palestine 🫶🏻

[@morganorwhatever]

I have nothing against Rachel Zegler but MAN was she miscast! The lead actor should be able to connect with the source material in a meaningful way. Rachel doesn’t seem to like the original Snow White that much. That’s perfectly fine, nobody has to like Snow White. However, this is a serious remake of a historically significant movie, so the person playing Snow White ought to understand the character. Again, no hate to Rachel, she’s only doing a job. I blame Disney 100%

[@blueblack3591]

Free Palestine indeed

[@toddsaskatchewan]

I don't get the Philadelphia/Shazam 2 joke. Are you saying if you live in Philadelphia, you are not worthy of survival? If that's the case it falls flat for me, but edgy jokes aren't usually my cup of tea.

[@nefiloba606]

I don't think we can really compare Robert's situation to Rachel's cuz Twilight was objectively ATROCIOUS, what positive thing could he say about his experience in the movie if it followed the book's plot, which itself is hard to read? The characters were fucked up and the plot so corny and badly written, if he tried to say positive things about it he would have ended up looking ridiculous or just fake for the sake of being. Snow White is a fairy tale which is aimed to a public of kids who don't usually mind the whole princess and prince concept, they're not that aware of what's realistic or problematic cuz they simply don't think too much of things. Being mad at the disney movie as an adult is quite frankly more childish than the fairy tale itself. Another difference is that Robert was a perfect Edward despite everything and the movie's performance was atleast close to the original plot..I don't think I need to say anything about Snow White cuz we already know. I can't help but think she was being overly critical about the old version cuz she wanted to promote hers. The Snow White movie wouldn't have been different from any other remake done so far, the part of the liberal celebrity who advocates for women's rights in a movie for kids has been played by every single other actress that took part in these remakes. She most probably just needed a job and started speaking of it as if it was the best movie in the world despite it's imminent flop which is basically the opposite of what Robert did. She did come off as passive aggressive, the Brie Larson comparison is spot on cuz they had the same vibe and u can't rlly blame people for having a bad feeling about them. She can be the sweetest but one single ambiguous word can make people change their opinions about u.

[@goldsteinism]

free israel 🇮🇱🇮🇱