EVERY FLOGGER COMPARED: MiG-23BN to MiG-23MLD and MiG-27K

[@perennialE]

Being a fan of Jaek is like being a fan of KZbin videos before they come out

[@Kosmo2]

Indeed

[@amx8336]

Being a fan of Jaek is like being a fan of KZbin videos before the internet

[@CircuitCatWT]

fr fr on craig

[@angelavila8722]

I LITERALLY just unlocked the Mig23M and had so many questions that were immediately answered by this video. Thanks bro.

[@Fuzeha]

Top quality video once again jaek. It's crazy that you *only* have 8k. Keep pumping out vids like this and youll get the recognition you deserve

[@GeneralLee2000]

PAPA JOHNS

[@AstroGamer_da_real]

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[@alexeaston2575]

@@AstroGamer_da_real 6:51, briefly flashes

[@ppbob]

papa johns🚫 more flares✅

[@loicalex]

I love playing the MIG27M in RB. Firstly it's the least full consumption plane in the Flogger series, taking 20 minutes is more than enough, so it makes the MIG27 feels a lot more nimble. Secondly the auto swept wing is more responsive, which helps in fights. And thirdly, that GSh-6-30 cannon remains today the most powerful cannon in the game iirc. It has great balistics too.

[@rekreator9481]

same here

[@DEFYN]

Uh actually the mig27 doesn't have 500 rounds its 300 Disliked and reported to BVV

[@jaek_898]

Shh im tryna spread disinformation rn

[@cheekibreeki4638]

Great vid as usual. Disagree about the 30mm not being a fantastic upgrade however, its better in every way over the 23mm and its probably my fav high tier gun :)

[@СергейНикольский-я2ц]

It also much better than gsh-30-1 which mig-29/yak-141 has cause of its fire rate(for example, you literally can fly between the shells of gsh-30-1 cause it throws like 1 bullet in ages)😂

[@jojomaster7675]

@@СергейНикольский-я2ц Well, it is a single barrel gsh23 upcalibered to 30mm. So it makes sense for it to have half the firerate.

[@kingghidorah8106]

@@jojomaster7675 how so, berezin 20's are 12.7's bored to 20mm and they fire barely slower, the diff between the 4.000 rpm of gsh23 and barely 300 rounds per minute of the gsh30-1m is huge.

[@jojomaster7675]

@@kingghidorah8106 The berenzin 20mm is a berenzin UB rechambered from 12.7x108mm to 20x99mm. That's it. The same basic mechanism, both only have a single barrel. The GSH-23 is a 23x115mm double barrel autocannon. It's rof is roughly 3400rpm. It was then rechambered for 30x165mm to create the Gsh-30-2 for the Su-25. It's rof went down to roughly 2500rpm due to the significantly larger rounds it now fired. And since the Gsh-23 was quickly becoming outdated, the soviets had to figure out a new cannon for their fighters. So they simply took the GSH-23-2 and basically cut it in half to save weight, creating the now single barrel Gsh-30-1 autocannon. Which, due to it having half the barrels, also resulted in a much lower rof. Which most definitely isn't 300, but 1800. Which was then for safety limited to 1500. The only place I imagine oyu might be getting 300 from is the GSH-30-2K, which had a variable rof (low being 300rpm, high being roughly 2500rpm). This cannon you can find on the Mi-24P attack helicopter, which was the main reason for it's variable rof.

[@gammafox5431]

CARRIER COMMAND 2 MUSIC NOTICED Keep up the great work Jaek!

[@cookiecraze1310]

So are the extra flares just Papa John's tossing out outrageously hot pizzas?

[@ImLoreYT]

Tylko jedno w głowie mam Koksu pięc gram Odlecieć sam W krainę zapomnienia W głowie mysli mam Kiedy skończy się ten stan Gdy już nie będę sam Bo wjedzie biały węgorz Tylko jedno w głowie mam Koksu pięc gram Odlecieć sam W krainę zapomnienia W głowie mysli mam Kiedy skończy się ten stan Gdy już nie będę sam Bo wjedzie biały węgorz Ja pierdolę, ale mam zjazd Nie chwytam gwiazd, jak kłoda leżę Nie wierzę Co się dzieje Jak kura z głodu pieję Jak wilkołak do księżyca W głowie dziury jak ulica Przed twoją chatą Rozpuszczam się jak baton Który leży na blacie Zejście jest jak nie wciągacie Bracie kurwa ryj mi krzywi W głowie burdеl jak w TV Mnie nie dziwi taki stan Brak towaru, w myślach ćpam Rade dam albo niе dam Wszystko kurwa z chaty sprzedam W sumie mam już przejebane Wszystko jednak jest sprzedane Ja pierdolę, same długi Kinol jak u Tabalugi Dzień drugi bez walenia Gdzie jest wąż? Biała chemia Jebane zejście tak wykańcza Jak by w chuja dziabła cię szarańcza Tylko jedno w głowie mam Koksu pięc gram Odlecieć sam W krainę zapomnienia W głowie mysli mam Kiedy skończy się ten stan Gdy już nie będę sam Bo wjedzie biały węgorz Chemia party, chcę na narty Do dilera, a nie w Alpy O żesz kurwa, chyba fiknę Jak w nochala nic nie psiknę Tak bardzo chce dotykać gwiazd Ale nic z tego, bo mam zjazd Totalne kurwa mega zejście A marzy mi się smoka wejście Masz hajsy? Ci też zalegam? No to chuj, dziś już nie biegam Chcę mieć kopa jak pantera W krechę nie ma u dilera Już nie, na pewno nie Chyba śmierć rozkłada mnie Nic nie przełknę, mam dreszcze Kurwa mać, ile jeszcze Będzie trwał ten stan? Śnił mi się koksu van I hery gram tak dla smaku Chcę się wozić w Cadillacu Myślami po znajomych biegam Lecz każdemu coś zalegam Odpada opcja pożyczki Bo przycinam jak nożyczki Tylko jedno w głowie mam Koksu pięc gram Odlecieć sam W krainę zapomnienia W głowie mysli mam Kiedy skończy się ten stan Gdy już nie będę sam Bo wjedzie biały węgorz Syf jak na Discovery Chcę wystrzelić jak z giwery Chcę hery i inne bajery W nosie pustka, słychać szmery Macie numer do Gargamela? Może u niego w kotle jest hera? Wiem - głupoty pierdolę Ale nie ma nic na stole A w kieszeni jebana pustka Przydała by się w totka szóstka Albo chociaż jakaś czwórka I bym leciał jak jaskółka Jak pszczółka Maja Do ucha śpiewałaby mi Kayah To są jaja, no nie wierzę Wygięty leżę jak zdechłe zwierze Gorączka w kurwę się nasila Poharatany jak dupa fakira Jak zdzira wymiętolony Leżę kurwa rozpalony Hej Johnny, chciałbym posypać I na łące jak królik brykać Ale cały czas ten zjazd Usycham jak wyrwany chwast Tylko jedno w głowie mam Koksu pięc gram Odlecieć sam W krainę zapomnienia W głowie mysli mam Kiedy skończy się ten stan Gdy już nie będę sam Bo wjedzie biały węgorz

[@ooFVenomous]

It would be interesting to do this with the Phantom series (if you haven't already), but also the F-5 series, thought there's barely any of them

[@kazline1455]

Just something i wanna mention about their flight performance when max performing (on full real) The MLD is the only variant of the mig23 that can extend wings fully go flaps and manual SAS mode without its wings dumping mid turn which really helps in dogfights

[@kelvinanjos]

man... the 12 flares on the mig-23M kills the plane, the difference between the 23M and the 23MLD is like day and night

[@vincentreim8962]

I hope we get a MiG 21 comparison

[@miromarkkula2078]

Bro might be the new best wt creator

[@OtterMusician]

Love the Carrier Command 2 music, feels pretty fitting for this style of vid. Great work, earned a sub, looking forward to seeing what else you put out.

[@DeInHo77]

Do you recommend running on manual sweep for the wings, or letting the game automatically control the sweep angle for you?

[@jaek_898]

Auto is fine most of the time, but switch it to manual 0% sweep when youre about to start a fight (or if you get caught off guard)

[@v0idwalker489]

Manual drains a lot of energy in turns compared to auto. So for the most part flying around auto is better, but manual is definitely necessary for dogfighting.

[@fishman5262]

You wouldn’t mind doing a MiG-21 video, would you?

[@dancomando]

This plane looks soo awesome but it often ends dead really quick

[@GeneralLee2000]

You get why they call it flogger? Because it flogs! I'm so funny!

[@treyebillups8602]

The Soviets giving East Germany a MiG-23 that can't mount missiles just seems like an insult

[@thegenericguy8309]

Drives me insane that you have to choose between flares pod and drop tank on the centerline. The literal whole entire point of the centerline pylon's design was to combine the drop tank and flare capability into a single unit. It's not a flare pod like in the loadout the flares are in the fucking pylon and if you choose to put a drop tank on that exact same pylon the flares just vanish

[@leschroder7773]

The mig-23mld should get its r-73s since it was designed to carry them

[@jackdiedtoday_]

what if.. all fishbeds compared?

[@TheMightyMirageOfficial]

MIG-21 series next?

[@TheDAWinz]

papa johns is also a good addition to the MIG-23 ML

[@FM-hw8yv]

Let me say it like this. Playing the mig 23 bn is extremely painfull, depending on what you end up fighting in it which is mostly 10.3, yet at the same time also extremely rewarding and fun to get both money and rp

[@Blockygem]

so now that most RWRs can detect J Band the MiG-23s are significantly worse lmao, just after i bought the MLD too

[@jaek_898]

Yeah you missed the boat on being able to smoke F-4J/F-4S players. But there are still a lot of planes that lack J-band detection, the American F5E and Kfir Canard for example

[@jeffyjefferyjeff2848]

actually detailed and concise explainations, cheers mate

[@weihnachtsmann497]

Great vid as always, can you do MiG-21 variants next?

[@rodolfohernandez3303]

It's been three years since i've started playing WT and only at least in my account only 3 MiG-23s and 2 MiG-27s i've shot down. Pretty damn fast fighter i've could say

[@a_stone]

Interesting, didn't know the Mig-23s got Papa Johns.

[@Y_Chothia]

4 months and 8k subs later, Jaek u are one of the best War Thunder KZbinr that's out there and I'm happy to have been here since the start.

[@k1lder346]

Heh, I enjoy MiG-23BN so much I bought talisman for it. I just like it's playstyle so much

[@ryanwilbur3554]

I have noticed that the Mig-23MF can carry an additional 12 flares instead of a drop tank, but of course you still only get 12 pops

[@jaek_898]

That's a bug, I believe it got fixed but I dont own the MF so I couldnt double check. Its supposed to have 12 like the 23M.

[@ryanwilbur3554]

@@jaek_898 Ahh okay, I didn't know that. I can check to see if it's gone when I'm back from vacation

[@sangvu6269]

@@ryanwilbur3554 mannn after the update it has been fix, down to 12 now

[@ryanwilbur3554]

@@sangvu6269 Okay, thanks for the heads up

[@byzantinehoney3384]

The mld should get R73 as it historically had and moved to 12.0

[@angelicafernandez9831]

That whould be nice

[@ach3909]

Need an update or a note at least to correct that the ML and MLA now have the SPO-10 RWR.

[@jaek_898]

Without fail whenever I make one of these videos gaijin will change something like that, even if they haven't changed the planes for months leading up to it lol

[@Hexekonig]

Can you make video about countering r73 and 9M's?

[@zzz6730]

Mig-23ML vs F-4S , which is better premium to buy?

[@__--_-_-.__---___.__---__-]

the one for the tree you want to grind

[@jaek_898]

They are both fantastic planes in great tech trees with different playstyles. F-4S has a better weapons kit, MiG-23ML has a better airframe. Personally I have more fun in the ML but that's subjective, they're my two favorite 11.3s. Do you like the F-15 or Su-27 more? That might influence your decision

[@zzz6730]

@@__--_-_-.__---___.__---__- i have top tier in both usa and ussr

[@v0idwalker489]

@@jaek_898😂😂 whichever vehicle will be top tier once you get there

[@thegalbenduck5306]

Just bought the MLD, went into my first match and got an AJ and a Netz on my 6. Good thing I watched the video, otherwise I wouldn't have gotten 2 easy kills (fr). Thank you Jaek very cool!

[@_Joob]

JaeaJ

[@FlightIsLife]

Not sure if this has changed in the last 6mo but the Mig23ML (Premium) and Mig23MLA(Germany) only have the SPO-10 RWR. AFAICT only the Mig23MLD has the SPO-15. Upside, you can detect other Mig23s, downside in Simulation mode you CANNOT detect F-4 Phantom radars (has nothing to do with the band, some weird frequency thing, this has allegedly been confirmed "working as intended")

[@domingos8214]

MIG-27s has only ONE thing going for them in A-RB, they have the same engine as the MIG-23, but the electro-optical system is way loghter, so if you dump the ground pound as soon as possible you can, once done, you are thecnically using a lighter MIG-23 with thermal missiles

[@AndreDiasRJ]

I like your reviews very much! Very informative and straight to the point. As a non native english speaker (🇧🇷) I just ask you to speak 20% slower, it is too much info to unpack. Kudos from Brasil

[@MrPanzerCatYT]

I dont know if anyone else noticed this but the mig 23 mld compresses more at high speeds, especially the roll rate over the other mig23s. Its not that bad but it feels janky swapping between the ML, MF and MLD since the others feel much snappier

[@lareys]

23MLD is a decent plane even at 12.3. It is tough, but you are still capable to fight 4th gens. By the way, in real life it could carry two R-73s under fuselage. I think MLD would become a serious threat if the snail adds them

[@alexanderK2700]

I still have that kind of feeling. If the mig23mld had R27R and R73 it would already be at 12.0 for sure. It's still a serious threat to 4th gen aircraft

[@MiG-23_enthusiast]

​@@alexanderK2700there's a mig 23-98 was proposed, basically a mig 23 that carries r27's, r77's and r73's, modern ag mssiles and modern avionics

[@alexanderK2700]

@@MiG-23_enthusiast i know about this modification but unfortunately no buyers were found when Mig built it hope it could appear in the game as premium but still the mig 23mld i think carried r73 and r27 as well

[@MiG-23_enthusiast]

@@alexanderK2700 ok I know mig 23mld carried the r73s but also r27s??, what source

[@alexanderK2700]

@@MiG-23_enthusiast nope i was wrong about the r27 with mld platform only the mig 23 98 could take it

[@saabportly7487]

do the MIG-21 next

[@SAKOSNIPER]

How the hoot did you synchronise the opening cinematic? Amazing editing!

[@jaek_898]

A very scuffed process that involves using the slew stick on my joystick as a mouse to get a smooth camera movement

[@SAKOSNIPER]

@@jaek_898 I've been trying to do this on a PS5 controller, but it never seemed to work😄

[@jaek_898]

Seems like on controller the camera control is relative so when you move the stick it just moves the camera to that position instead of spinning it. So I tried autohotkey, that kinda worked but the movement wasnt smooth, then I realized I can control my mouse with my hotas and that worked for me Wt camera system is unbelivably scuffed fr

[@GabrielULTRAWEED]

Gaijin should make a separated battle ratings for Sabres, Mig 21s, and Mig 23s.

[@Nailed_it23]

the Mig-23MF is $60 i got it for $20 a while ago lmao

[@jaek_898]

I'm surprised the price has even gone up so much

[@malithaw]

Mig21 and Su25 family when? Great video btw very ifnromative

[@ChronicAndIronic]

Mig 23BN’s only weapon is a California Standard Magazine Ban ammo capacity

[@MokkaHai]

The top gear clips in the intro are the best

[@Squeaky_Ben]

Hey Jaek, can I make a request? Can you maybe make a compilation of french missiles?

[@swagbelly7740]

mig27s have 300 hundreds round, i wish it was 500 but sadly not

[@erice.9514]

The video is a bit too fast for me, and btw what is "neuroscan" or do I mishear what you are saying about the radars?

[@jaek_898]

Probably "narrow scan", most radars can narrow their search patterns to cover a small area which makes them update faster and makes selecting and locking targets easier. To help with the speed of the voiceovers I added subtitles to my most recent video and people seemed to like it, I think I'll keep doing that as long as it helps

[@erice.9514]

@@jaek_898 my English skills are somewhere between B1 and B2, still I have sometimes trouble if it's too fast and from a native speaker. So thank you for your efforts!

[@drakon480]

No one gonna talk about the random papa John's glitch? Or am I high.

[@RaNoL1N_ilia]

btw mig 23 bn is one of the best cas on its br

[@Rorywizz]

I smell Carrier Command 2 soundtrack again, very cool

[@Origoclient]

Can you do a mig 21 comparison video?

[@DveTriEbole]

looking forward to the Yak-3 video

[@obeyobay9146]

Seems like you are an oxygen theif fan since the content seems heavily inspired

[@aceofthunder9868]

You should do a f86 sabre comparison or p51 comparison.

[@chicanamaoist687]

hi can u review the viggens please i wanna know if i’m wasting my time with them

[@viciousslayer]

+papa johns

[@andrew9021]

Next up fishbed comparrison?

[@Rendy0_Fur]

as someone who spaded 23BN in ARB, can confirm it's meme-slash-agony/10 rating

[@Sansarii_Minecraft]

As a mig23bn player, don't play it

[@Captain_Coleslaw]

As always, amazing video!! The HUD on the MIG-23 makes it AMAZING in sim!

[@Ali_Nek]

Such a good vid, and the music in the background just fits perfecly, keep the vids going you've got a tallent!

[@v3es473]

Bit of a quirk is that the 23's radar used to lack IFF in MTI, it's now fixed and has it, same as IRL, where it had IFF in MTI

[@Alemikkola]

Can't wait for the same video on the Fishbeds!

[@SkinkUA]

Every eagle compared when?

[@ppbob]

when the eagle comes out i guess?

[@fabihubi7039]

I always was a big fan of the MiG-27K

[@m-g-b513]

too bad the mig 23s are gonna get nerfed.....

[@gitgood8509]

I love how people struggle to pronounce some Russian abbreviations. Not trying to be offensive, but it’s always sound really funny. Guide itself is very good tho, I’ve been thinking about getting ML during sales, so it’s good to know it’s strengths and weaknesses beforehand.

[@jaek_898]

I usually just go with the "accepted" western pronunciation, even if I know it's wrong, because if I try to say it the russian way, it sounds forced and unnatural

[@gitgood8509]

@@jaek_898 I know, don’t worry. In my book - people can pronounce it whatever they like, as long as it’s clear what they are talking about. IMO it gives someone’s speech more flavour, one of the reasons I love accents so much.

[@brandonguthrie2151]

Love your channel man, keep it up. We need more high quality war thunder channels

[@mey.tomhero4876]

I really appreciate the videos you put out. They are really really good. Happy I’m here before you have gone viral

[@ReepsWasteOfTime]

5:16 in large ec maps when there are less than 3 players on both sides being able to climb and go faster than literally everything else is great especially if you have the r24t and can surprise attack them

[@shikikanaz4624]

Should definetly do a video on the various mig21/J7

[@max24l90]

Most underrated war thunder YT channel

[@uisce_]

Hope to see one for the F-4s or Mirages :D

[@cuddlycuttlefish5674]

Is that your actual voice or is it ai spookston

[@nicholashritcu7236]

Mig23ml is my fav jet in the game and does all you could want at top tier

[@gatorbait493]

+better engine +better radar +papa johns

[@hexwave9764]

Ah yes, the best improvement on the mig 23 mls, papa johns.

[@RaNoL1N_ilia]

now we wanna mig 21 , or f4 video))

[@hornmanath4215]

cant wait for mig21 comparison

[@ISt0leYaCheese]

Since when the mig23mld could mix the the r24s?

[@jaek_898]

Since it got custom loadouts IIRC

[@benpurcell4935]

The Mig-23ML is fun.

[@Laurenz357]

flogger sounds like a slur

[@YoRHaUnit2Babe]

wait it isn't called MiGger?

[@guyguy7757]

Love these concept of every variant of something

[@SteelxWolf]

New Jaek vid? FLOGGERS!

[@isGroty]

Very well made content

[@Novice.of.reality]

gaijin when mig25 XD

[@dds7799]

shoutout to all my miggas

[@RaNoL1N_ilia]

+papa jones ?what?

[@MarkerLKO-232]

papa johns lol 6:51