Jaguar: Dead Brand Walking - The Carmudgeon Show with Cammisa and Derek from ISSIMI Ep. 77

On this episode of The Carmudgeon Show, Jason and Derek discuss the future of Jaguar-the iconic automotive brand struggling to survive in today's market. What brand decisions have made a negative impact on Jaguar Land Rover in recent years, and what problems must be solved as the brand moves into 2023 (and prepares for an electric future?)
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[@ps1hagrid823]

Speaking of dead-brand-walking, you guys should do an episode on Mitsubishi

[@Pheatan]

Mitsubishi will never die they’re actually more profitable than ever. They just arent cars they’re tools

[@michaelharrison1093]

Mitsubishi no longer exists as a car company.

[@ps1hagrid823]

@@michaelharrison1093 they’re still around making 5 and 1/2 cars with a 1.9% apr for 36 months

[@AsinineComment]

5½ cars, @@ps1hagrid823 ? What price do they charge for a half car? It would need to be heavily discounted - which might explain the company's teetering prospects for much of the last decade. Or, are you talking about 5½ cars _per day_ ? Per week? Per hour? Or did you mean the half car just a Triton cab-chassis? 😜

[@ps1hagrid823]

@@AsinineComment I meant 5 1/2 models because they have 4 actual cars that they managed to stretch into 6 different models

[@rsr789]

One of the reasons Jaguar's interiors were so amazing and RR / Bentley level is because they used to use Connolly Brothers Leather, which was the leather supplier for RR / Bentley, as well as the seats in the House of Parliament (as well as Ferrari, amongst others).

[@bb-iq6qw]

My 2002 X-Type has Connolly leather!🤦🏼‍♀️

[@e46m54nissansr20937]

Very cool i always loved the leather in late 90s early 2000s Britsh Sports sedans and sports cars. As soon as you see it you know it’s British

[@tyanaichigovera7308]

Jason needs an animated short diary of his adventures and misadventures with cars he's been around with his friends.

[@johnbacon4997]

I second this! We need someone to animate Camisa

[@waldemarieofrow653]

Loved seeing Jason's completely apathetic cameo in Car Trek. Literally couldn't care less 😂

[@tylerbecker3348]

To have Jason and James from TH featured in your show and not give them a fucking peep of dialogue or camera time is criminal. Car Trek is best when the personalities on it can shine - the more contrived and scripted sections suck eggs.

[@patricklinkous]

Jason and James seemed very out of place in that group

[@pradhyudh]

It's as scripted as an head of state's tweets. It's so entertainingly boring

[@tylerbecker3348]

@@pradhyudh well said - it's brain mush with some cool cars as the backdrop.

[@pradhyudh]

@@tylerbecker3348 i didn't feel what they portray themselves in the show is who they are in their KZbin videos . That was an advantage for original top gear when we didn't know who they are in real life.

[@randomness3465]

I sell Jaguars, and oof, this is so very true. The LR part gets all the attention, while Jaguar is endangered. But the less attention we get from JLR, the more endangered! The I-Pace is such a wonderful Jaguar, completely normal luxury and handling, just oddly quiet, and that's certainly a wagon instead of SUV. Anecdotally, I've noticed that the customers who have the most reliable Jaguars (usually in service for regular maintenance) are those who drive high miles and treat their Jags like sports cars.

[@flakoscars72]

I can confirm this, 195k miles on my 01 xjr :)

[@h7pubg]

yep, i find that they do better daily driven than not, it’s sorcery, my 99 xk8 drove a year without any issues daily multiple times a day through some of the worst traffic in america (jacksonville), zero issues apart from alternator, sat for a month or two and everything went wrong, bore washing, coolant gone, strange smoking, limp home mode. hope to fix it soon and get transmission rebuilt or serviced

[@bb-iq6qw]

Very harsh review of the F-Type.🤦🏼‍♀️ The interior is better than any Porsche and the performance exceeds the Porsche of the same price. The ergonomics are perfect in the F-Type. I guess this video was for KZbin views. My 3.0 2002 X-Type MANUAL is the best sports sedan ever made!

[@bb-iq6qw]

Oddly, they totally failed to mention that Jaguar is going totally electric in 2025 and will put Tesla out of business (their plan). No more luxury or sportiness-just utilitarian.☮️

[@davidandrews2059]

Please do a SAAB episode. Regular Car Reviews did a hardcore deep dive and I'm sure 3 of us have been waiting for you to argue and banter and cyber-bully Paulo with some sort of SAAB episode since then.

[@Kalepsis]

Me: Yay! New Carmudgeon episode! Also me: Noooo! Jaguar can't die until I order enough spare parts to rebuild my XJL when its engine inevitably explodes! Side note: it is, actually, a damn good car. And fast as hell with the supercharged 5L V8.

[@kenchen704]

LS or 2UR swap that

[@kevinlloyd1088]

In case no one completed the Lynn quote, "Lynn, Lynn. City of sin. You won't come out, the way you came in." The town is not scary today.

[@flacjacket]

The F-Type (especially the R) is not competition for a Cayman/ Boxster, what it is really is a Hellcat that can read and does yoga. Also on the V6 being the V8 with two cylinders removed means that the manual which was only available on the V6 will bolt directly to the V8 with no modifications. I don't know if anyone has done it yet, but it's something I'm considering as a future project.

[@ScorpioIsland]

Godspeed, sir. You are doing the lords work

[@King_droid4908]

Did ftype also comes with manuel

[@zachbibb]

Sportbrake owner here and love it. Dynamically great, agree with shit interior, but roofline makes up for it. Sucks having to look at melty cough drop f paces, but the Sportbrake looks and feels different enough for me to stay atop my anti suv high horse.

[@cabra2365]

I used to work at Jag. In US focus groups, when you asked about Jagwarrr, people would either lean forward an exclaim "beautiful cars!" and then lean back and cross their arms and say "but man they're unreliable". Or the opposite reaction, unreliability mentioned first and then something positive about styling. It was kind of irrational though at times, one guy had two S-TYPEs on lease one after the other with zero problems, but wouldn't consider an XK because of "reliability". I always maintained that the supercharged saloons (sorry, sedans) were the best Jags... trying to sell front-engined GT cars as sports cars was like pushing water uphill against Porsche... trying to sell 'normal' Jags against BMW et al, ditto. It was only the supercharged sedans that had the true expression of Jaguar duality... luxurious and wafty on one hand, taught, powerful and dynamic (when you were in the mood) on the other. The last XJ in 5.0 s/c Supersport form, not XJR, is what sits on my driveway. And yes, it's currently broken 🤣

[@pan4632]

I agree with a lot of these points, but judging from some of the misinformation in this episode it really seems like you guys haven't had much experience in recent Jaguar models. F-Type is down to a V6 Jason? Since when? They ditched the v6 and only sell the bonkers supercharged v8. And Derek admitted to not having driven a Jag since 2004, so how valid is his take? Also, the XF interior is pretty much IDENTICAL to modern Land Rover Interiors, albeit with a little bit more plastic. Likening it to Daewoo is flat out dishonest hyperbole...

[@LoudModeOn]

Thanks for this, saved me wasting an hour.

[@xFactoryUSA]

@@LoudModeOn the interior reminds me of a grand Cherokee

[@benjaminwatson7868]

Are you simping for a car company right now on practically a comedic car show

[@rdiamond655]

A friend has an F-Type and loves it, he says it’s the perfect car for Texas. After driving it I agree. It’s a great GT, not at all sports car.

[@HimTortons]

Regarding the XF it should be said that Jaguar also stopped offering it with compelling engines. They have killed off the 3L Diesel and since it's not getting the inline-6 from the F-Pace, that means we're just left with a bunch of 4 cylinders

[@robertjenson960]

Neighbor down the street bought 2 Jag SUVs earlier this year. Don't know why, but she just had one flatbedded to the shop. Old legacy coming true - buy 2 so you have one to drive while other one is in the shop.

[@sgtpeper74]

In your discussion of wanting a wagon like vehicle or for SUVs to become more sleek and longer you forgot to discuss that Jaguar already sort of makes this - the IPace. The car no one remembers even while it is still in production. I would love to hear your opinions on the IPace as it is actually a fantastic car overall that was so poorly marketed it could only be a flop. Fast? Check, Gorgeous? Check. Range Rover adjustable height suspension? Check. Luxury Interior? Check. Reliability issue? Mostly sorted... I have nearly 40k miles on mine currently and have no idea what to replace it with.

[@istvanlorinczi2817]

Oh, this is one of the episodes from the Q&A, didn't expect it so soon

[@karleignr]

Got an FT-SVR, absolutely in love. I don't even put the stereo on. Open valves and sport mode. The car makes me smile. Got the extra warranty for some piece of mind. Hoping for the best

[@burnttoast9890]

Here to see Paolo do his thing while laughing

[@_-_911]

Paolo* ;)

[@AsinineComment]

😬 Eeeeeeewww..!!

[@ImTanzeey]

I was today years old when I learned why the v6 in my ftype looks so far forward lol learn something new every day 😂

[@Nightmaretyrant]

Now you can tell people, " Technically its a v8 🧐 "

[@Engineerd3d]

I drove an F-Pace jag. I have to say it's one of the best handling SUV's I have ever driven. It's sublime chassis. One can look past the interior

[@timmietz]

Project 8 is simply amazing. Still holds the sedan record at the RING. I own a lot of cars, Porsches, Ferraris, many BMW Ms. My project 8 is in the top 3 for me.

[@robc1014]

Everyone i know of or ive met who own a P8 has nothing but amazing things to say about it. Jaguar gets hate for no current reason. Its just their old ford owned line up and no one is liking at how good the new ones are. Jag need to get back into F1.

[@PianoandCarcrack94]

The current lineup XE, F-Pace etc. have had a major interior overhaul on the same level as LR interior. Was super impressed, bit late also since the ext looks almost the same

[@spartanp2064]

While I agree Jaguar lacks an identity and it’s interior need the LR updates, I completely disagree about the F Type. I sold my 991 Carrera and picked up a rear drive V8 R Ftype and couldn’t be happier. The 911 is too good, no personality. The F Type is drop dead gorgeous and personality for miles. Also has twice the HP as a base 911. I grin from ear to ear every time I hit the accelerator. Best rear end.

[@matthewlange8616]

As I'm currently on my second Jaguar (an F Type here in the US after previously having an XE in the UK) I can't disagree with most of what you are saying. I will say one thing about the F Type versus the XK and this is circumstantial based only on my own experiences but the F Type probably has a much lower average age of buyer than the XK did (I'm guessing the average age is somewhere between 35-50 instead of the 50-70 of the XK). Personally I think Jaguar should become more of a niche brand rather than trying to directly face off against BMW/Audi/Mercedes with the LR of JLR providing the volume.

[@RyneLanders]

I've had 2 X150 XKRs and a Ferrari, and you're right about the average age. But I'm only 36, and I love everything about the XKR. I especially love that they're more rare than F-Types - production numbers over the 9 year run is a good deal lower than the ~7 year run so far of the F-Type. There's just nothing else like them. I'd like to get an F-Type R in the future at some point but I see it as such a different car that I don't consider it an upgrade or successor.

[@punjabeeplaya]

Oh man, hyphen's face at the Mazda straight 6 and then pouty face at the camera van v6. Great episode as always guys.

[@punjabeeplaya]

In addition to the handbrake test of the Mitsubishi Mirage, I was hoping y'all would do a Pontiac Endurance test of it on Willow.

[@GaryJopson]

Interesting podcast, very much enjoyed it. I cannot argue the points the two raised regarding a) reliability - fondest memory of the XJS was up on the hoist at the Jag dealer, we seemed to share ownership 60/40 (dealer biased) b) interiour - before the interiour of the 80/90's cosseted you, now with the F type, it urges you out of the car c) build quality - significantly better in the last 5 years than when I had the XJ series 3 and XJS All that said, fab to drive, when it did. Thanks for the rundown memory lane, now back to the garage to fix the wiring harness on the V12.

[@AsinineComment]

Heartily endorsing the wagon ethic, here! I've always thought the compromises were the fewest, and the advantages the greatest over sedans and SUVs. It's _especially_ so over SUVs, and *triple especially* over 2WD SUVs. 😫 Have owned 3 wagons in my 8 cars, over 35 yrs. 🙂

[@zacharyprimo492]

I’m a loyal listener, love y’all and the show, but after 75 episodes the ‘not knowing how to do an intro’ bit is really tired. jason you’re a professional speaker please just do a good regular intro 🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@justinkababik]

Pre-pandemic 2020, I was shopping for a replacement to my E61 wagon. Being a wagon fan, the XF Sportbrake was at the top of my list. Checked all the boxes. Found one, less than 2 years old, 4k, came with a 6 year warranty, full loaded and a good color combo(not perfect, that would have been blue). Practically brand new for nearly 50% off. Test drove went well, but I had driven an Audi S7 the day before. The Jag was adequate, but the Audi wowed (not just based on the extra power, because I would have figured out how to swap the full V8 in). It was all based on the interior. This was their special interior and it was meh compared to the Audi. 3 years with the Audi and I don't regret it. It's got enough wagon in it with the hatchback to work for me.

[@nathanchildress5596]

I wouldn’t mind an XE, wasn’t it Jason himself that said it drove really well and looked nice? You rarely see them but it’s a good looking car

[@MrMackanno]

I have one and it is really great to drive, specially when taking corners. Mind you, start is slow, but I am not longer into being the first out of the green light. I love my XE.

[@sanman1188]

You guys definitely need to do a show about the wagon issue. I have encountered this several times with car shopping and always end up in the sedan counterpart. Also, where is the show about the Pontiac Sunfire...the greatest car ever built?

[@davebarron5939]

Truth Whammy! I love these guys because they "lay the skunk on the table" then have feet on the ground discussion whether they agree or not, ALL without Government approved propaganda. Well done, and enjoyable for us as viewers. Thanks.

[@ShalinKoticha]

First comment! You guys are awesome. Thank you for doing what you do ❤

[@MaticT]

Inb4 either Stellantis buys them or the Chinese use the badge to sell an EV What they are doing with MG

[@NXT_LVL]

Or makes a bad copy and gets past trademark lawsuits again... ie: The BMW X5 that isn't an X5 according to the Chinese Government

[@ghostonvinyl193]

My dads got a last generation XJR and it’s actually been pretty great. A few small issues with the infotainment, but it’s never left him stranded, and although the XJ was an S class competitor I’d describe it as feeling about a thousand pounds lighter. 5.0 Supercharged V8 also makes good noises. He’s also got a 96 XKS (the 6 not the 12) and it’s been absolutely wonderful. NOT a sports car, but it’s faster than my FRS in a straight line if I don’t launch it, and will cruise at 100mph with literally 0 effort at all. It’s also been super reliable. Could be we have two good examples, but my dads friends who have the supercharged v8 in their cars, as well as other xks owners agree that on the motor and transmission side, they’re pretty bulletproof.

[@DDd-hr6mz]

Kind o f a worn out subject, since the British podcasts have been wondering the same thing: in a sea of SUVs and 2 seaters a fringe market, what happens now? Would hate to see them go, but once everything is EV, the only difference between cars will be a badge.

[@matthewpeterson3329]

Hey Guys, for your next round of Q&A, would you discuss your thoughts on all the subscription based features that seem to be imminent on a lot of vehicles in the future. To me, it feels like a kick in the teeth that we would have to pay monthly to use an audio system that is already built into a vehicle as a standard feature. What's next... you have to pay monthly to activate your ability to roll down your electric windows? Thanks!

[@briant5071]

My dad called Jags the British Buicks. He worked at a shop that got a reputation for fixing them. He hated Jags.

[@benbrown2119]

It was interesting that the US-spec 1971 Renault R10 I had in high school had standard 4 wheel disc brakes, but the 69 Dodge Dart I got next had 4 wheel manual drum brakes.

[@tyler9703]

I think you guys did the F-Type very dirty by saying it doesn't "drive like it looks", and then giving a 718 Boxster as an example. I thought the 911 comparison that everyone has made since it was launched was misguided, but comparing it to a Boxster is so much more illogical it almost sounds like you're intentionally trying to make the F-Type look bad in all cases. It really does not look like a Boxster or 911 competitor whatsoever. Jaguar was never trying to make the F-Type a back-to-basics sports car. Think of it as a Lexus LC500/BMW M850i competitor and it makes total sense, which it looks very similar to.

[@ChristerByklum]

I am 44 and love the classic XJ’s, and own two X300’s, one XJR and one Daimler Six LWB and love them. Have owned a XJ40 and a X308 as well. They are great to drive, and many of the issues people experience seems to be lack of servicing, even if they have their weak points (as most cars do). And just so you two doesn’t think I am utterly mad I also own a S124, two C124’s and a C126. That I also absolutely love! I think bland design and very bland interiors is the problem. Went from the sleekest designs to boxes. And good point, LR have great interiors. So why not Jaguar’s?

[@boulderrock9094]

Whenever I hear mere mention of the Pontiac endurance test I can’t help but chuckle

[@randalhuseby]

OMG do my cars make me smile every time I drive them. A 68 Etype coupe, and a 2018 Ftype R coupe! Actually the best part is how everyone else who sees them smiles. It’s awesome.

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[@jimiverson3085]

A bit of history on Jaguar's early development of disc brakes on the C-type: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hYfRqoWXbJ54d5I And for the record, Jaguar's reputation for reliability was pretty dodgy well before the late XJ6. At age 70, my grandfather bought a 1963 XK-E (!). That car couldn't go by the dealership without needing to turn if for repairs. It epitomized the many jokes about Lucas electronics. My mom had to drive it once when dad was in a nearby hospital for a power saw accident. She was doing 100 and said trim bits were flying off the car - but it would do 100! But, damn, the E-type was just sex on wheels - in the class of the 250 GTO for pure looks.

[@SuperMcgenius]

The XJ in the 70’s-80’s was a great car both on highway and small roads. Still good looking after many years.

[@chrisogrady28]

Straught six RWD mazda 6? If you can get a manual that would be perfection

[@P.Galore]

I love the XJL - when that car flew by you on the freeway, you noticed. Sleek and long and low, looking very expensive.

[@tonyflorio3269]

As you said, the Jags that built the legacy offered cutting edge capabilities and technology for less than competitors. Today, that would probably be an EV more range and performance than Tesla, and a better chassis and interior, for about 80% of the price. To their credit, they tried with the i-pace, but didn't really beat Tesla.

[@JD.Martin]

I'm from a Jaguar family and currently own a '13 XF AWD and I love it. It's reliable (yes, seriously), comfortable, and quick. It feels like Jaguar is guzzling the ESG Kool-Aid and deliberately tanking their current offerings to make their future EVs seem more appealing...

[@nickallain]

I owned a 2015 F-Type R (RWD). The RWD car was a lot of fun, but it reminds me of early-post Mercedes AMG. I had a lot of fun owning it (and rallying it) but 2 years was enough. It was broken 4 months out of 2 years.

[@johnbacon4997]

You rallied a F Type R??? What a mad man! Also wow, 4/24 months it was broken. That's really bad for s modern car. What do you drive now?

[@conefcol000]

I think there was a lot of truth in this episode. We had an '05 S type (4.2l engine). It was a fantastic car, no reliability problems with the drivetrain (although it did have a couple issues with the heater core after 150k miles). Drove it to 270k miles, until someone rear-ended it (while parked) and caused all sorts of electronic issues. Ultimately it was just going to cost more to fix than it was worth. It was a phenomenal car for driving the family on long trips at high speed. Could cut a 4 hour drive down to 3:15.

[@michaelwood1761]

Jaguar is probably my favorite car brand. Affordable performance and cutting edge engineering. Well, it was that through the 40's through the 60's. It seems such a huge waste to let the brand die but I do not see it recovering. Many have tried and really screwed it up each time. The lack of reliability, to me is the killer. It they could have approached Toyota levels of production engineering and process I think the company would have a great chance of thriving, but it is all too late now and that makes me truly sad.

[@geoffsaunders4960]

Speaking as a Brit and a Jaguar owner (a proper Jaguar, not a Hyundai Lookalike). The reason Jaguar is failing is that they deliberately went away from their design heritage. If you produce cars that look like Hyundais then you cannot charge premium prices for them. Simple. Even the top of the range XJ looked like an old Ford Granada from late 80's early 90's. So if they themselves don't give a damn why should we?

[@jonwarshawsky5288]

Agreed. Jaguar made uniquely beautiful cars through the 1960s, but the recent XF and XE look generic. And Jason and Derek are correct - Land Rover has an enviable reputation in the SUV segment. No reason for Jaguar to build them. There are wait lists for Porsche 911s, Ferrari sports cars. There is a market!

[@rightwingsafetysquad9872]

Jaguar is at its best when it's making muscle cars for high-society bankers.

[@Ze_Hans]

More like high society bank robers/oil painting "collectors".

[@8cnorth3]

Test drove a used xf sportbrake. Loved the sound system. Was too quiet (wanted a little more excitement) and the center console was miserable

[@PedroPedroPedro-Pedro-Pe]

Thumbs up at 3:22 despite no meaninful words on cars at all yet. This is a GREAT show. :D

[@jj481012]

I’m sure Kanye would love an SS

[@PeakVT]

Weirdly, the first postwar road-legal production car with disc brakes (4-wheel, no less) was the Crosley HotShot in 1949, but the company reverted to installing drum brakes after several months of production because the Goodyear-Hawley calipers were troublesome.

[@tonyclewes8]

Holy he'll Hyphen is 40 ????? Looking good.

[@samuelorellana2603]

Thought he was closer to 350

[@dougrobinson8602]

Re Hyundai, my favorite quote of late is: "Looking for car problems on the internet is like looking for sick people in a hospital". With that said, a friend of mine is getting an engine replaced under warranty on her Elantra.

[@melondoc]

Just got done listening to The Intercooler episode on the same topic. Love Jag but could never buy one due to reliability concerns. Sad to say, it's destined to join MG as a marque to class-up future generic white-box Chinese EVs

[@BlindIo42]

Another inline six is the Stellantis "Hurricane" I6 in the Grand Wagoneer - rumor is it will make it to the Ram 1500 and possibly the Wrangler, Gladiator, and Grand Cherokee.

[@jeffreyb.1657]

The F-type is so wonderful - so this is sort of sad. Agree, they should have left SUV's to LR... They should just do an F type and perhaps an F-type shooting brake and call it a day. Then do an EV that is like a panamera granturismo.

[@trevorhsu6357]

Down to a supercharged V6? Isn't the only engine this year in the F type the V8 available as RWD or AWD?

[@cvandenhaute]

In 2 occasions, I thought about buying a Jaguar in recent years: a F Pace in 2016 and a XE IN 2019, In both occasions, I walked away after seeing the interior. In he case of the XE, the comparison with a Genesis G70 is downright embarrassing

[@NXT_LVL]

It's Jag.. wait 3 minutes and someone will buy it... oh wait, it's owned by Tata with Land Rover with a left over taste of Ford. Jag is a more talked about brand than TVR, but has the same track record. "The Jaguar Land Rover subsidiary was struggling by 2019 and Tata Motors wrote down its investment in JLR by $3.9 billion. Much of the financial problem was due to a 50% drop in sales in China during 2019" Correction, It's another Buick... where the existence said brand is dictated by China's sales (Hence why Pontiac went poof in favor of Buick)

[@ChrisOfSDUB]

Haha, I may have had that same X-type as Jason as a rental in Boston in 2004. That period NeverLost was like 8 bucks a day, but you could upgrade to prestige collection for 10 (at least from corporate rate) and all of those had it.

[@followthekitty]

I've got a 2018 XE Diesel that I've had for a year and a half now. Got it with 22,000 miles I absolutely Love it, but it went into the shop for a coolant hose and thermostat housing replacement at 40,000 miles. Now at 63,220 miles I'm waiting on a diagnostics and estimate. Turbo may have gone. If so I could be looking at an engine replacement. The sound it made as it suddenly shut down isn't caused by something simple.

[@jamesrobert4106]

Whar was the outcome?

[@followthekitty]

@jamesrobert4106 I called Jag USA, and after going back and forth with them for about 4 months or so, they warrantied the complete engine replacement. It was at the shop for a little over a month, and now it's back home. I've only put about 1,200 miles on the new engine and everything is good so far. I will be doing extra oil changes on this engine just to try to help make it last. Apparently, these engines can build carbon easily, and the carbon works its way down into the oil and starts destroying the rod bearings. I still absolutely love this car, and so far, I haven't had any other issues with it.

[@michaelcooper8217]

We are all profoundly sad that the episode numbers exceed the number of fingers and toes you have Jason. That's no reason to hate on Derek because he can count past 20. He is adorable, car obsessed AND can count. Heck, that puts him to the top of my "guys I'd like to date" list. Next time you feel the urge to hate on Derek for counting episodes remember that letting an adorable man count doesn't make you less adorable. We love you both. A few of us less platonic than we should.

[@eichler721]

Great episode and sad cause I loved Jaguars from the 90's and earlier they just kind of wandered and never found their way.

[@travdog9997]

I think you’re being too harsh on Jaguar (particularly the F Type). I’ve driven many fast cars over my lifetime including the the v6 and v8 f types. Porsche’s certainly are more dialed in and planted than an f type but almost to there detriment. Porsche’s have become so capable that they seen sanitized (meaning they are not fun to drive unless you get them to there limit which requires very high speeds. Basically they’re only fun on the track. F types and cars like the f type are way more fun at lower speeds.

[@narrowistheway77]

I don’t have a problem with 120 degree V6’s or the Alfa Romeo Busso V6…. But past that, I agree, Inline 6 is just far superior power delivery. Packaging can be an issue, but that’s why you build the car around the engine when it’s planned

[@DataSpook]

Jeep/Chrysler/GM - I worked at a place where we repaired ECUs (100s every week). If it wasn't for those ECUs malfunctioning we'd be out of jobs. I'm surprised they're still around.

[@cgmoog]

For LeMans Porsche 19, Audi 13; Ferrari 9; Jaguar 7; Bentley 6 - As owner of 2 Jags (04 XJ; 69 E) I agree. In the 70s and 80's they were the cash cow for British Leyland. All the money they made was sunk into the rest of BL line. The rest of the line was a money pit of labor unrest. During the 70s the money taken to support MG Triumph Austin should have been spent on new engines, throwing out the long stroke tax dodging design for a more modern short stroke design. I was hopeful that the electric XJ would be a winner. Then the CEO decided sedans were dead and cancelled the car after the design was finished. Sedans do seem dead but in the electric space I think they can more be than competitive. The lower frontal area of a sedans will allow a longer range than SUVs providing a compelling reason to for sedans. Now that the CEO has been canned lets see if they can pull out of the dive they are in.

[@cgmoog]

This is what happens when the comment is written before I've completed the video. (Jason's comments on aerodynamics of electric vehicles).

[@harveyts3]

I drive a 2018 F Type R. It literally makes me happy everyday when I get into it. It is not a 911 T. I have driven a lot of 911 and the F Type is more fun and less good on the track. lol

[@JK061996]

58:28 unfortunately Mazda's RWD sedan has been canceled, the inline six will only be used in SUVs. By the way FCA/Stellantis has also put an I6 in the new Jeep Grand Cherokee and Wagoneer

[@RussellMezger]

Is Mazda still doing the sedan? I had seen it reported elsewhere they were no longer doing the i6 sedan, instead putting it into SUVs or something.

[@Cchichester]

The Michigan accent at 1:20:20 is perfect

[@jonathanolsgaard5697]

min 38-39. (they are talking about the 8 cylinder 6 piston.) What Jag-you-are should have done was make a 2 c. 2 p. Engine that could plug/ fit into the backside of another 2c2p engine in the first place instead. Can any auto make/engine maker make this a reality, in physical form?

[@dallasbrown-ew8yk]

I’ve wanted an F-type since it came out. Haven’t had the money to buy new so I wouldn’t be able to support them. Also would question at the price point whether I should’ve bought a corvette.

[@narrowistheway77]

The shooting of Tupac Shakur that lead to his death happened while he was sitting in a 1996 BMW 750iL complete with a naturally aspirated V12. That exact same car is currently for sale for $1,750,000 on Hemmings, complete with the bullet holes that were never fixed…. I’m surprised a wealthy rapper hasn’t bought it yet as a display piece… figured I’d mention it since you brought up the car on the podcast 😉👍🏼

[@ATips1]

You really hit the nail on the head with Genesis. I absolutely love my GV70 Prestige 3.5T, it's absolutely the nicest car I've ever been in. At 1125 miles my transmission control module failed, and with all of the luxury brand hype I didn't think it'd be a big deal. Turns out I was just a Hyundai customer, it's been sitting at the dealership for a month and hadn't even been looked at. It's now finally being fixed because I finally was able to speak to a service manager just last week after informing the dealership I was going to Lemon Law it. Now they're actually trying to fix it and my parts should be in the end of this week. The service experience for me has been a nightmare, and even corporate really did nothing to help out. If I wasn't so in love with the car I would definitely be Lemon Lawing it. I understand that things break, I'm not upset that I had issues with the car, it's worth it, but when you buy a $70k vehicle and get a budget Hyundai service experience it's a huge problem. When more dedicated Genesis dealers start to pop up it hopefully won't be a problem anymore, but it definitely is now. I'm on the forums and it seems like most have a service experience that's to be expected, but a luxury brand should be providing a luxury service experience for everyone.

[@jkliao6486]

Seems like it's the case for everything, unless you are making a noise for yourself, nobody takes you seriously.

[@quacktac]

The interior on my F-Type is tolerable, but the interior on my F-Pace is stunning, way better than the mercedes or BMW equivalent.

[@stefanmarraccini8646]

Ok. The title is an alliterative stroke of genius. Che drammatico, but clever. The nice kitty is just resting between pounces. I advise historical worship and pazienza, per favore.

[@betteroffdeadd]

Great episode! I will watch it now 😂

[@cvandenhaute]

I think the only FWD X-Type were the 2 liter V6 and the diesel. The 2.5 and 3.0 were all AWD

[@MoreOnEVs]

The Lynnway😂😂😂 Also, that question might still fly in Boston

[@dylanbigg8288]

Seriously guys. It was only a couple years back Jag made the fastest 4 door around the ring, and it still hasn't been beaten. I have one. I also have an xkr-s GT. That's pretty fun. They ABSOLUTELY still make excellent sports cars, just very low volume. Come over to Japan, I'll let you drive them! I've already got one other youtuber planning to :)

[@jrw366]

The OG and legend LL Cool J rapped about a Jaguar “ My vocals exact like rack and pinion in a Jag You try to brag, you get your rhymes from a grab-bag.”🤣

[@MRCL-190]

The XF had a incredible interior compared to another car at that price point in 2008. The issue is they don’t refresh over cycles and over manufacturers catch up. An 08’ Jag is too similar to an 15” Jag and that’s good for the used market but not for brand new customers

[@michaelking6596]

What will TATA do for a Luxury halo brand?? 😯

[@joecutro7318]

Me like this episode. Grazie amici.

[@pdcichosz]

SUVs turning to wagons trend is already happening. The latest RAV4 is basically a wagon on stilts. Renault Kadjar, RR Velar, there's no turning away from the fact it's a kick ass body type ;) Oh, and electric cars are becoming modern minivans when you think about it. Two-box instead of one, but still.

[@swatisquantum]

The MSRP was $31,100 for the 1984 XJ6, which comes to about $90,435 in 2022 dollars. - Jul 24, 2022

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[@matt_____]

What android podcast app can I listen to this on? I want to listen but KZbin is so inconvenient to use.

[@Dtamscott]

Spotify!

[@matt_____]

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[@williamfischer3990]

I don’t think the problem with Jag is themselves but their competition. As a company who competes with BMW, Mercedes, and Porsche you have to have the R&D budget to play. I think the F-Type is the only Jag that enthusiasts really love now.

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[@BrycenKauai]

FCA Also making a new I6! And more importantly offering a spicy version as a crate motor!

[@EdgarAvagyan-cc3yj]

F pace does really well actually. It's been Jaguar's best selling vehicle since launch. As for the reliability, most of the people complaining about them have never actually owned the vehicle. It's all just hear-say...fake news.