Jaguar Land Rover 2.0 Ingenium Engine Rattle

[@24bellers20]

Good video. Clear and informative. Thank heavens mine is a 2020 with the modified chain and tensioner. I blame it on the stupidly long oil interval. I change mine every 6000 miles. Not cheap but better than coughing up for all that work.

[@robertcochrane717]

only use genuine land rover parts some needing changed with under 30k so genuine parts must be junk land JLR should be replacing the chains as they are not fit for purpose i wonder what the dealer would charge to get it done great video

[@madbadger85]

I think one of the biggest factors is oil changes, most manufacturers are claiming to high a mileage between changes, I would think that the oil ways to the cam chain tensioner would get blocked reducing to oil flow to keep the tensioner adjusted correctly.

[@MotorScotti]

Very good point. I've been doing the maintenance on my cars for 10 years. I change the oil every 10'000 km / 6'000 miles.

[@aarjordan]

That is unbelievable so much work well done LR

[@johnrideout7124]

Some years ago, whilst looking for parts in a wreckers yard, I observed a Ford Granada I think, quite high up, and the front engine cover was off, exposong the crankshaft cog meshed with a much larger gear-cog, which in turn drove the camshaft. Having had a timing chain snap myself, I couldn't help wondering why aren't all engines made with a gear like that,.? Save a lot of aggro wouldn't it. !

[@horacesawyer2487]

@@johnrideout7124 : Good observation on the old Granada engine crank and cam gears. i guessing the multiple camshafts and variable valve timing technologies require these complicated timing chains.

[@SirSkiddie]

A 2024 sport ( a vehicle people have received around 1st of March) ) was parked in the high street near the shop , we’ll it wasn’t parked , 3 hours later a recovery truck arrived. A car person who knows vehicles won’t go near these vehicles. And people just keep buying JLR because they look nice , argue with people that they are good cars , then get one and end up like this. Good luck for owners that have passed their warranty stage and good luck to the ones that have just got their brand new beautiful off road capable Range Rover. Simple : Buy an old vehicle or get a Japanese/Swedish vehicle. Or just deal with the problem if you like them. (Sadly new isn’t better , every modern vehicle is no where near production standards of pre 2010 let alone 90s / 80s.

[@jagvolvo33]

1980S ford couldnt go wrong and your sister could fix them .

[@julesviolin]

I found out the Ingenium engine was a totally ludicrous design soon after they came out ⚠️ So why do folk even buy them??? They haven’t a clue what they are buying because they don't do any research beforehand. Dear dear 😅

[@cbbaycycles]

I spent just shy of $4.5k to repair/replace the timing chain at 70k kilometres. So disappointed the dealer didn’t identify it. Oil change interval way too long. 32k or 2 years. The repairer recommended oil changes at 6 month intervals… quite a difference. Even though I love the car I am so Disappointed in the product.😕

[@belchnasty]

Simplex chain, made from finest Chinesium, located at the flywheel end of the engine. Were they smoking crack when they designed this???

[@handycrowd]

Been sayin' this for years, would love to have been at that first meeting... "hey lads, I've had an idea..." Nuts.

[@phanter344]

Would be great to have done a before and after on the sound at the end of the video. Otherwise great! What's the approximate cost?

[@godfreysautomotiveservices]

Yes, didn’t think about that tbh. I’ll see if I can make a short later on this week with a before and after 👍. Prices will vary depending on location etc but expect to pay anywhere over £1300 I would think.

[@godfreysautomotiveservices]

Short uploaded, (before and after) 👍

[@kirwanjohn101]

Pitty you didn't film start up when the chain was replaced. It would have been nice to hear the before and after sound back to back.

[@subrogation747]

I’d like to have heard the engine running after the work was completed.

[@snowhare1]

I just did this job, not bad, actually wouldn’t mind doing it again

[@AA-os1sg]

The positive they sell like hot pancakes! Depreciation is ridiculous on these not a wise move unless yoir in a position to throw away serious money. Bought many wouldn't own any. Far better hidden gems out there foolishy people just go for the brand & haven't yet discovered Lexus in the UK Market they win not just on reliability but as an overall package yes its a Toyota underneath but you truly appreciate one once you have spent the time in one not to mention strong resale value. In the UAE, they say if you want to return from the dessert, you take a land cruiser. If you want to stay there, take the Range Rover. Says it all, really!

[@horacesawyer2487]

Excellent skills. Superior dedication to duty! Do you know if JLR updated this chain to a improved version? Or is that too much wishful thinking. Got a rattle on a US Ver. 2013 LR2. I'm not qualified to do it, not sure who really is in Georgia / Tennessee area. Someone with attention to detail would be a blessing. The dealer would undoubtedly kill me deader than dead. I'd be lucky to be able to walk home much less drive. : (

[@tonychalmers9867]

LR2 or Freelander 2 as they are called here use Ford engines if it's a 4 cylinder and Volvo if it's a i6.

[@flyingscot3666]

Have same - 2014 - Ford Ecoboost - not a great engine but better than LR's Ingenium - will need a chain and all the other accessories changed out at 100k miles. Just did the 2012 Evoque (same engine), made a big difference. Will be $1k in parts and find an Indy LR shop, probably another $1k in labor. Consider replacing the turbo at same time - these generally only last 40k miles (get exhaust fumes coming into the cabin from the AC.)

[@JustMe-Dude]

interesting how your diagnosing chain slack by rotating the crank and compressing the oil pressurized tensioners. without oil pressure, there is of course more slack, then would normally be indicated if the engine was running. not arguing that the chain needs to be replaced because it was obvious at first sight at the oil pressurized slack adjuster was at maximum adjustment and could not take up any more tension. I have seen some indication that there was a change (2019) to the idler gear to help prevent chain problems. would be nice to know if it is an upgradable item or not. supposedly it stops chain hysteresis from damaging the guides.

[@godfreysautomotiveservices]

That’s interesting about the idler gear. I’ll do some research into that one. Thank you for the info 👍

[@danthecarman8440]

Great video mate. Was the timing cover hard to get off with that sealer stuck on ? I just subscribed.

[@godfreysautomotiveservices]

No, not that hard. Will take a bit of prying but once it starts coming it’s easy enough 👍

[@danthecarman8440]

Thanks for your reply. Another problem I've come across is trying to undo the inlet cam sprocket bolt. It's way too tight and couldn't move it. Good luck with your new workshop.​@@godfreysautomotiveservices

[@pashan5068]

Great video - i recently had my timing chain snap after a "specialist garage" claimed they installed a new one..6k cost to rebuild engine..i've only just got it back but now have high revs on idle,delayed push button start up and poor fuel economy? Any ideas what could be at fault?

[@MrCoolvibeztv8079]

That sounds like you've got a few bent valves mate..

[@larryreno8293]

It would appear that regular maintenance is something the owner doesn’t believe in.

[@BisdaKExplorer-fv5gq]

Does the rattle only happen on start-up? . .. Or it also happens during accelaration in various RPM's?

[@philf5043]

No the rattle ends with a bang and a biiiiig bill.

[@l.a.gautogarage4335]

Hi Please let me know if you can off course, how many real hours you spend on this work timing chain in this car. I ask because I wanna memake som ofert to my customer. Greetings Lucas

[@tuningemporium]

yep always stick with genuine parts nice work

[@GbArrtorius]

Nice and informative video. Thank you very much. I have a 2018 D180 too. Just curious, how many kilometers on the odo of this one?

[@colinstickland3130]

My 1994 XJ40, never a problem. But regular oil changes on any vehicle will stop all this. Oil builds up clag within the oil . This is then deposited around engine. Change oil after no oil changes. This clag then breaks down with new oil and blocks pick up filter. Bang engine blows a end. . Then customer blames me. . If in doubt before changing oil stick a litre of diesel in engine. Leave it on idle for half hour . Then drain new oil . At least you stand half a chance .

[@jagvolvo33]

would you say its good preventative maintanance to do that on these engines before oil change anyway?

[@bongiwepatricia1740]

😂

[@AaronsTalks]

Wow! I was really feeling that intro music :D what's the time frame for this job? 30 hours labour? 40? I'm weighing up getting this done on a friends car

[@godfreysautomotiveservices]

Around 10 - 15 hours, allow yourself 2 days buddy 👍

[@muh7mmad878]

Does the noise increase while accelerating?I have similar issue but I don’t know where the sound comes from

[@KingKing-x3g1w]

does anyone know the cylinder firing order on this engine ? From the front

[@jangeusens7987]

I have a Discovery sport 2.0 built in 2017, I now have 82,000 km, I don't hear any noise when starting, at what mileage I would have problems, do you have an I D for that? Would like your opinion.

[@jagvolvo33]

how much to do this job on a 20172,0d fpace awd ,no issue atm its on 61k but thinking nows probly best time to get it done ?

[@peterr7437]

hello ,got a 17 plate 2 wheel drive on 50 k miles no rattles yet i change the oil every year,should i be worried ,heard horror stories about this engine

[@philf5043]

Looking at the crap build up I reckon a lot of the issue is the ridiculous long service intervals that JLR specify.

[@ph10wed]

What sort of price to do what you did please?

[@bobpatrick8724]

Hi all, great video, I have a F-Pace 2017 from new, had service contract with JLR, so always been looked after by them. Always thought that it was a bit 'tapperty' on start up but told normal, had a Nox Sensor replaced by different JLR dealer, they said 'engine noise needs investigation, took in in this week, had a phone call and told it needs a New Engine (covered under extended warranty) is this normal to need a whole new engine? Car has 42,000 on the clock that is all. I would recommend paying for the Extended Warranty if you can.

[@horacesawyer2487]

Bob did you get your new engine put in by JLR yet? Hope the car dong ok. Engine changes are not simple procedures. Your post was 2 months ago.

[@bobpatrick8724]

@@horacesawyer2487 Hi, Yep had to wait 5 weeks to get the car back. They said that I had oil pressure, but not oil flow the the 'tappets' and cam shaft which is why it was a complete engine. I have to say that it is a different car, so much better, for a start the engine is a lot quieter, and a lot more responsive, there was also a slight hesitation when pulling away at a road junction sometimes, but not now. When you think that I had a service plan, so the car was always serviced at Main Dealers, each time I said that the engine seems noisy, but they just said 'they are all like that' and then it turns out there has always been a problem from new.

[@jagvolvo33]

@@bobpatrick8724 needing a new engine from what youve said seems well suspect dosnt make sence , just becouse it was hesitant and abit tapperty WHOLE NEW ENGINE hmmm

[@bobpatrick8724]

@@jagvolvo33 They said the engine had oil pressure, but not oil flow which was the issue, worn cams, and one cylinder

[@challakebede5982]

Can you help me pls,can you show to me cylinder head temprature sensor location .

[@Tec2Nut]

Sounds OK??, I hope all I have one 😅

[@zimlines6504]

Isn't there any engine which can fit better for exchanging

[@anotherone9219]

I have a evoque 2.0 diesel from 2015. 150.000 miles. Should i chagne the timing ? Is this the same engine ? 110 kw. Thanx

[@Mattthetatt]

We have one. I dont like this engine . Where are you based? Ours is at 73k and sounds worse than my ford transit tipper 2008 . I do oil changea on the disco 5 every 6000 myself. No metal in filter

[@alehmilenin9395]

Привет, какой пробег у данного авто?

[@892sarwar1]

My 2016 evoque (automatic gearbox) produce a rattling noise as well on a start up but its just for 1-2 sec. Then it goes away. Sometimes engine light shows up as well with camshaft sensor P0341 issue. And after the car is on drive way for a day or two the engine light goes away too. My garage told me its a software update issue. But i am not fully convinced by that. Any ideas? Also the timing chain was replace 2 years ago by LR dealership. So can it be timing chain issue soo soon? The car hasnt been driven more than 20k miles after that.

[@massimilianodazzi3315]

The same problem happened to my aunt's evoque my 2016 150 h.p. ... LR changed distribution under warranty after 62.000 km (I remember the metallic noise after cold start) and now after 27.000 km there is the camshaft sensor with the error and in LR says he has to change distribution because they made electronic chain adjustment test and this failed, it is a 3.500€ job !! In this case there isn't the metallic noise the engine runs good ... he also changed the oil and oil filter after 15.000 km but the result is distribution to be changed only after 27.000 km. To tell the truth the problem could be provocated by the fact that he travelled some miles with oil very very low under minumum, he didn't cheek the level, this car oil warning light is on only with 3 litres of oil in the engine vs 6,5 litres and it is inacettable, LR cheeked the turbo gaskets and all was ok, no smoke from the exhaust, the engine perform very well I wonder how could it happen that was with only three litres on the engine after 12.000 km, in my opinion something faulf oil filter or mistake in LR workshop is happened.... the risult is the camshaft sensor on and chain electronic test failed means he has to change all !!! I suggested him to write to LR customer service because this is inacettable !!! It maybe is damaged the upper chain tensioner that could be changed easily but I don't know if this could resolve the problem, it is a risk to avoid Land Rover workshop in such a delicate problem we are blackmailed !!

[@toyotoe3732]

Thank you. Is this a petrol or diesel engine?

[@godfreysautomotiveservices]

Diesel engines 👍

[@simm0907]

I just change motor oil yesterday and they told me that they found some oil shavings on the oil drain plug.Do you think it has with timing chain to do?! Thanks in advance .

[@jagvolvo33]

did you find out what problem was ?

[@darkzine]

how many hours does this job take?

[@godfreysautomotiveservices]

I would say anywhere from 10-20 hours personally. Depends what comes of easy enough, cleaning time required etc. I don't actually remember the book time i'm afraid.

[@sharvey6146]

Good video

[@guss2099]

I made a mistake of buying a 2016 Jag XE with that 2.0 diesel Ingenium engine and 7 weeks into owning it, boom! Now I have a blooming £7.5k paperweight on the drive!🤦🏻‍♂️

[@Flankerski]

What was the reason and what mileage?

[@trancegsi]

I really fancied a xe r spor.. absolutely been put off unless it's chain has changed and had regular oil service...not the best put together cars engine is obviously not well designed. Be leaving a Volvo D5 one of the finest oil burners going. 180k no issues....may look around .

[@tomthompson7400]

turning an engine backwards is no way to gauge chain wear. These engines need an oil flush and fresh oil every 6k from new ,,, long service intervals kill modern engines.

[@garthrichert5256]

What people designed this venus customer trap ?

[@handycrowd]

Unfortunately they have no one to blame other than themselves... Although it was a collaboration including some Indian and Chinese parts manufacturing from what I read...

[@devrstergok6192]

Achterlijke als je video plaats toon ook hoe je ze moet demonteren van de ketting .

[@jozsefgyorosi537]

Bring back the ratchet type tensioner. As you rotate the crank you can see the poxy tensioner retracting back into itself. Its becoming a throw away society, 100,000K and send it to the scrap yard!

[@bordercanoe]

Landrover engineering. Mmmmm. Let's make an engine out of crap and squeeze it into the tightest space we can. Your mission should you choose to accept it is to buy a landrover. This landrover will self-destruct after a few miles.

[@horacesawyer2487]

bordercanoe: we drive them because they are unique and worth the little bit of crap for the great pleasure and satisfaction provided. The ride, the old fashioned CLOCK in the dash. The heavy duty construction (except this crappy timing belt). The feel. Life is short. Drive what you want !

[@OldeJanner]

All modern vehicles are rammed under the bonnet compared to the sanity of earlier models.

[@19jacobob93]

​@@horacesawyer2487 I have to agree with this! If reliability was the only factor when it comes to selling cars, many manufacturers, including LR/RR, would have folded decades ago 😅

[@Dettdu]

Could not put it better 😂

[@me-us1lw]

Says the man who's never owned or driven a land rover/range rover 😂

[@Rich-h8i]

Landrover should be made to pay robbing bastards

[@handycrowd]

Nice job! When I first read years ago that the timing chain was on the back of the engine I had to look to make sure it wasn't April the 1st... I hope you're charging good money for this job mate, I'm seeing everything from 1500GBP to 4000GBP (dealers) with most places settling in the middle somewhere. It's hell of an involved job and not without risk, so you've got to make it worth your while. I know for a fact that loads of places are saying "nope, not interested"... There must be getting on for 2 million Ingeniums out there now, don't know how many are diesels, but I think it's safe to say this won't be the last one you get asked to do lol! 🙂

[@hugoprh666]

Recently purchased a used jaguar XE and it's doing this noise from a cold start and lasts about 30sec and the rattle sounds disappears, the dealer said it's normal, it's just the tensioner filling up with oil, but I'm not too sure it's just that, the fact is that I can't hear it afterwards, it's just the first 30sec from a cold start. I've made a short showing what it sounds like, kzbin.info95QFmbPSVTU should I be worried and take it back to the dealer?

[@godfreysautomotiveservices]

I would definitely be taking that back to the dealer, it’s not normal at all. Will need new chains and tensioners before it does anymore damage.

[@hugoprh666]

Thanks, appreciate your reply, I'll do that.

[@ryansidhu87]

​@@hugoprh666 Any feedback from the dealer regarding that noise on startup?

[@hugoprh666]

@@ryansidhu87 no, the noise went away the day after I posted this comment. It starts properly every time. I guess it was because it was sitting in the driveway for a couple of weeks after I purchased it, after a good 1h drive in the motorway, the sound never came back.

[@pcmedix]

Yes, I can verify if you let the 180d sit for a week, you'll get chain noise for a bit when first fired up...has made me pucker up more than once on my 2017 XE !

[@RealBonkersTV]

Why have we got plastic tensioner inside the timing chain bay😢😢😢😮😮😮 does those things snap? I think we need to hold Jaguar responsible for the crappie engine they build and pass on to customers. Their vehicle is like buying a wolf in sheep's clothing. We need a good lawyer to recuperate some of the money we spent on these junk.

[@dominicbritt]

Useless engineering…

[@thomasmyers4089]

Its just as well bicycle chains are cheap.

[@Draxindustries1]

Anything JLR should be avoided. These Indian cars are troublesome in one way or another across the range. Why do consumers buy into this rubbish ..

[@handycrowd]

Because everything else about the car is lovely; and not all of the chains are going... 🙂

[@Draxindustries1]

@handycrowd But it's not just cam chains. There are massive problems with JLR products across the range from engines/ gearboxes to suspension and electrical systems.

[@handycrowd]

So like every other car then! Personally I'm having a way better experience with a Discovery Sport than I did with my Honda CRV... End of the day there are so many cars out there which are not maintained properly so it's difficult to be 100% conclusive one way or another... Keep smilin' and changin' that oil 🙂 @@Draxindustries1

[@andrewbuckley2892]

Stretched timing chains ..... cost of always first away at the lights !! Driving like a twat !

[@flyingscot3666]

got to do it 😀

[@Paul-ey1ct]

Land rover evoke not range rover😂

[@CharliePower-mx7tj]

Pure junk

[@astront917]

Absolute junk Cheaply made poor quality rubbish, unfortunately no different to most of today's engineering. Built to last about a week if you're lucky.