Eve Online - Are Capital Ships Worth The Investment?

[@jjckrbbt3626]

If your corp doesn’t use caps I’m sure it feels like they aren’t worth it. But if you deploy or get to engage using caps, it’s fantastic. Using a cap or two as a suitcase for deployments is a huge quality of life improvement on its own. Defending caps from sub cap fleets, or escalating those fights are some of the best and most memorable Eve experiences I’ve had.

[@zeehero7280]

Also Sabaton! "Unopposed under crimson skies, Immortalized over time their legend will rise, And their foes can't believe their eyes, believe the size, as they fall!"

[@countcampula]

Being mid fight and a titan shows up gives me dopamine.

[@umadbroimatroll7918]

Even small scale, caps are a big force multiplier, why bring a whole logi wing when you can instead have a single FAX? and then you can get all those extra guys into dps ships.

[@Microphunktv-jb3kj]

This guy doesnt understand why any serious corp/alliance needs capitals.... good luck waging war without a Vat bay

[@merlinpwnz1]

I remember when carriers were 300m and dreads were like 600m. Makes me feel old.

[@Microphunktv-jb3kj]

what year was that? i started playing in 2008 .. and Machariel cost 700mil hull , gametime was 500-700mil same time... and played on off, mostly off :DDD only 40m SP... just got into Eve again... but im quiet bored alrteady again sitting in c1 , mining... feels like a fulltime chore again... this game is so poorly designed... that u cant literally function without having 3-4 accounts or not in corp wich is activev and large population... but im not very social person... i dont like socialize with strangers, people i dont know... edit: what i mean is... i dont like obligations... some corps are too serious and place mandatory schedule or smt... or some are too strict even taking members... because of my past history.. everyone always paranoid that im spy account , vbecause ive literally have corps in my history wich have been each other enemies , never taken any of the corps seriously iv been in tho... atleast u can see from history that im not goon ; )) and have few kills against goons, my sworn enemies! , who dropped a blackops fleet on top of me, for a single machariel... what a bunch of pussies/losers , i kept it alive for 2,5 years.. sentimental value and memory lol... ; ))

[@alphoxi]

@@Microphunktv-jb3kj u should look for a small corpo that’s still quite actif I m in a corp where there is content but no real thing expected in term of presence. As for the mining that feels like a chore, you should maybe look into ratting or missions or even hacking it s a good idea to try to mixte a bit of everything you like instead of mining for 2 hours everyday and log off it feels like a job if you do it like that 😅 Basically just do what u like in the money making methods, then you will be able to do whatever you like in term of fun, could be pvp, could be missions, exploration, …

[@nathan9903]

As a captial pilot and fan they are worth it IF and only IF your group has a umbrella to get you content and to protect you. if you dont have that then dont.

[@billybobj9988]

lmao, basically just say if you dont live in horde or goons don't play the game

[@umadbroimatroll7918]

Or just be in lowsec, it's much safer for caps

[@optimo1237]

@@umadbroimatroll7918 Pfp checks out

[@cs51207]

@@billybobj9988 Huge misunderstanding. First, add Fraternity to that list. Second, if you're not in those three alliances then you need to think extra hard about getting into capital ships.

[@billybobj9988]

@@cs51207 i have every capital class ship in the game, i think i know what im talking about lol

[@spidey56765]

Yup , I had decided that I like medium sized ships and weapons so I trained cruisers and battlecruisers . But the battleship meta seems to be growing.

[@Agent_Clark]

We use capitals every day in lowsec and can link you an endless list of fights to support their heavy use. Your perspective is clearly that of a nullbloc line member. You can take the lack of use up with your leadership who is petrified of using them.

[@Microphunktv-jb3kj]

Does anyone take members in Eve as unofficial members, who are not being blown up.. for pvp etc.. ? i live in c1,and three c3... bercause my few friends have created a base in wormhole space... but they have so many acccounts and so high SP.... they rarely even play the game.. just do Pi, login, to rat 30 sites... or manufacture T4 factory assembly lines, produce stuff, just idling on 100+ bil and not actually playing the game.... ive played on/off since 2008 and only 40m SP cuz of that... because Eve is really booring if u dont actually what the game was meant for , PvP ... or does anyone have a good advice for a good solo pvp ship... wich can actually do something in low sec... and not get blown up in matter of seconds.... I remember training skills for Curse, is that still a good pvp ship for solo... ? a lot of changed in Eve... so many new skills and ships etc.... i tyhink i last time played like in 2013 for a month.. and before that like in 2009 or 2010...

[@unknownunknown-ni1ns]

Game wasn't built for pvp, it allows it to create economy....that doesn't really matter since you can PvE combat NPCs for ship destruction economy. The game was built to explore a space fantasy and have fun not "meant for pvp"

[@Amber-vn2le]

well even in our null block we also have extensive use of capitals for both money making (crab) which are pretty good, or actually fighting with them which offers alot of advantages.

[@billybobj9988]

caps are essential for nullsec wars

[@alkainhighwind2181]

I own around 100 or so capitals, from Titans, to Freighters. I utilize most of them every day/week. They make everything in NS 100x easier. This includes logistics, mining, and ratting. In my opinion this is the true endgame because without them you could not do anything in NS without them.

[@hoinoobs6070]

Damn lol can I have one

[@hoinoobs6070]

XD

[@balla2172]

Damnnn with I had yhat kinda isk

[@CanadianFitted]

What corp you in? I can’t undock in my corp they will die :(

[@alkainhighwind2181]

@@CanadianFitted ASCEE is recruiting

[@robmurray32]

as a wormholer I find massive value in having caps carriers make rolling so much faster and easier having a fax is a massive asset in fleet fights and having a dread to drop in a fight or to kill krabbing dreads is awesome ....the only real problem is you don't get to un dock them enough in wh space

[@countcampula]

War is about moving material, if you don't have a lot of people then dreadnought fleets are pretty good. Maurder fleets are fantastic for their cost. Titans(and Titan fleets) are strategic weapons that require an immediate response, 150bil isk of "oh now I gotta deal with that now."

[@berdstet1361]

There should be more PvE content for caps. These new KRABS are a good start, but it needs even more. More payout for Cap-PvE, then more people would do it. And if there are more caps krabbing in space, then more PvP drops would follow, which leads to good fights and content.

[@taiphoz3530]

They had a perfect ratting progression and they shit all over it, it used to go vni > ishtar > Battleship > Marauder > Carrier > Super > titan, it made sense, each ship along the path made a bit mroe isk than the one before, and each one along had you putting more and more isk at risk with more expensive ships out in space. CCP fucked up when they nerfed the vni, the fucked up further when they nerfed carriers and drone agro, and continue to fuck up with each successive patch, I really dont have much hope for fanfest, and am seriously considering selling my capitals and just having fun with subcaps.

[@lordalaric6070]

well eve is not a pve conten game only. caps and supercap just being in range (they dont have to be on grid) can have huge influence to pvp

[@stefanwilhelm3523]

I agree with you. In my opinion CCP should add something similar to Incursions which can only be done by Capitals/Supercapitals. Maybe Structures with a lot of damage and very good applikation, that ist able to wipe out every Subcap. Edit: They should make it worth spending ISK on Capitals/Supercapitals with this method, so very high bounties/extremely rare drops would be good for this activity.

[@EGSY-8p7]

for example: add most powerful gun slots, rig slots(faster producing things or something else) or upgrade things that boost some economy rates ...taxes...boost % etc (so that you can only obtain those things for stations from missions only for capital ships) and players can defend their stations while sitting in station. to turn guns on in station there will be timer count down so customer players in that station will have time to leave station before its too late and warned that station guns will turn ON in 3-10 minutes.

[@asmi06]

This would simply bring back to life those carrier farms of sov null.

[@adnan4688]

Super and caps should be there to protect your structures and your territory. I would disagree with any other content. It would pull us all down to null to just rat again,and make billions and get bored and quit.

[@Car_Mo]

One way to make capitols more useful and interesting, is to make it possible to staff big ships with more players/capsuleers, for example: - extra pilot to increase speed/maneuverability - extra wing commander to increase fighter damage - extra engineers to increase repair speed - extra mechanics to increase rate of fire/reload speed - extra shield/armor engineers to mitigate incoming damage ... and so on, I'm sure there are better more/examples. Maybe it would even help with time dilation in big fights with having fewer ships on grid ... or it would have the opposite effect. I realize this would include creating some kind of "mini game" to keep this staff occupied, but with so many big ships in the game it could probably start at cruiser level with 1 extra crew slot and scale up to 10+ for a titan. I think it would make the game more interesting and dynamic, while also giving it a unique feature. A big issue would be how to transition from today's one pilot=one ship without ruining the ship building economy =P

[@hokub3222]

Spot on! They are isk sinks no doubt! Eve has become so... expensive to play and with the new design to industry either you have a ton of time or a bucket load of money to make it half way fun and interesting.

[@cs51207]

It depends on the alliance you're in. If you're in the biggest alliances: Goonswarm, Pandemic Horde, Fraternity then it's worth getting a capital ship. If you're in some of the next biggest alliances: The Initiative, Dracarys, Pandemic Legion, Deepwater Hooligans, etc then it 'might' be worth it.

[@robertkingsley]

I felt like you were observing me secretly in the game and warning others. When I started playing I so desperately wanted to fly a dread and a Nyx. I have them both and I don’t have any reason to take it out of a Keepstar. It is like a McLaren in the garage that you can’t use.

[@timothymulder8085]

join a better alliance my friend, the larger alliances deploy those ships regularly. most even have SRP programs for such ships to encourage that kind of play.

[@MilianSwe]

Yeah i agree with you, Going above dread does not seem worth it. The only capital ships that is worth training in to is the crab phoenix and the rorqual, They make so much good money.

[@iAmEpicLily]

Literally all dreads besides Zirn are amazing for pve.

[@mrg220t]

You're going to need caps for sov war and structure bashing.

[@doughnut4867]

WH capitals are the only ones that make sense. I am a capital and wh pilot for years now. For system control and sleepers my chimmy amazing. Null sec I don't think so but real space is weird. I live and breathe WH space. For sleepers in my pulsar... omg it's an isk machine. Remember to use the WH benifits for your ship and fighter selection

[@doughnut4867]

No cyno alts needed lol 😁 get out of null sec normie

[@mylestubedayz5613]

my mate bought one and hes never undocked it in battle due to the fact there hasnt been an occasion that its been appropriate to use it.

[@StJ67]

I restart the game a few days before the 20th anniversary after a 9-year break, I released a carrier to see the new feighter system and I completely rebuilt my character for a subcap only gameplay, new black ops pvp is the best pvp i've done on eve and the content encouraging the smaller ship is very good.

[@lordjanuss]

I do agree in most of your comments, but I do find carriers/with (figthers 1 ) works fine and dreads for Crab and a rorqual all I do find working, supers,titans is for the big blocks, funny note, my Kronos and Nidhogger is close to same isk investment. But I am moving my maruder back to high and use my Nid here in null, a rorqual as a cap is always the backbone for a corp. But I always like your take on things. 😊🇳🇴🇳🇴🍺

[@rickforespring4834]

i concur with you about capital ships now. not quite as old as you are (in game) but i have seen the changes from start to finish. capital ships cannot defend themselves in any way against sub caps. in r/l, if you challenge a capital ship you better bet they can and will defend themselves. but according to cccp, caps are to be used in fleet ops, never alone so...there is THAT explanation. combined the role changes with construction changes and you see why they're so expensive today. granted cccp did walk back on the materials needed a bit, but only just. a ton of new items are required for capital ship production and not any of them makes the ship bigger, better, faster or have more dps. thusly i named these items "buttplugs" as they have no practical reason for being there.....just to be there and spin. to add insult to injury, now any capital parts requires 6 gases to make. so in short, you need materials from all four corners of eve just to make 1 ship...not worth it to me. i have about 10 or a little more capital ships and now i mainly use them as suitcases for deployments. sad ending for a once great shiptype i gotta say.

[@law7116]

I always am wondering if I will stick with this game long enough to find a place in Null to fly such ships.

[@pinguincoder]

Im going full into cruisers and below. Especially into t3 cruisers and Covert ops ships

[@TheBrownsword]

I was in a fleet of sub caps the other day and there were so many of us the enemy decided to drop a ragnarock and about 5 nyxs and hels on top of us. They still have uses sometimes

[@DennisDinges]

I also started training my alt further to support with sentry drone battleships or repair ships to have fun in missioning. 2x sentry battleships should be a load of fun

[@sanik9581]

Does this video hold up a year later with all the changes to Eve that have been made?

[@dipian]

If you live in a nul-bloc and you have to go on deployment with 5 doctrines. And you want to do the trip once. You'd better have a capital or you're going back and forth with sub-caps and usually there's camps along the way and it's a pain. So convenience factor for deployments insane. Couldn't go on a deployment without at least 3 capitals as you want to bring your BS, Command ships, and other things. And some small gang pvp ships. And you need 3 of them.

[@renatlottiepilled]

I came to this conclusion too, I practically only ever use cruisers and below and now in faction warfare I like destroyers and frigates more

[@Last-Outrider]

This is a man who has no structures to defend or attack. Here is how his station defense would go. 1 or 2 capitals arrive at his station. There he is, Mr. We don't need no capitals. Launch the marauders! Great idea! And what will they immediately do? They will Bastian. The Dreds will say, thank you, and instantly blow them up. Mr. We don't need no capitals, corp just lost all their marauders and he is not screaming on discord and mumble, were are all our members we need our battleships! The Dreds finished dropping the shield on your station and jump away for the cooldown. Leaving Mr. We don't need no capitals, to count how much isk they lost and wonder what they are doing to do after cooldown ends.

[@pantsdownbert]

If you’ve ever tried to move a shit load of stuff, titans make it much easier with jump portals for freighters and of course fleets, it excessive but a titan can enhance a corp majorly, you can move 13 jump freighter worth of stuff for the same price of a titan with 5 standard freighters for 15bil plus titan, of course the jump range wont be as far as a jf, you can jump back and forth in a jf but who wants to be doing that when you can get tje job done faster and get back to making isk sooner, this mostly applies to nullsec production and being close to your alliance staging/market You have alts in caps, mains in subcaps, cause it is true caps are slow but you dont need to pay that much attention to the cap pilot, melt ships with the haw dread and pew pew in the sub cap Plus buying caps just to keep the hull is also an investment in game, my titan was bought fully fitted for 65 bil in 2019 now super carriers are that much, cap hulls have gone up in price by 3x since then For new players looking at getting into a titan, make sure your alliance or corp has the resources to keep it safe, you do not want to safety asset one of these but dont let this video hold you back to owning supers or caps

[@ftlnetwork6067]

I understand what you mean by using a marauder but they cost just as much as a carrier and they gave to be locked in place. Carriers can align out while doing the site. Also alot more things can kill a marauder also.

[@annabaelfire2173]

one of my many goals as a new player is just to own and undock one of those bad boys. I want 1 of every ship in my hanger

[@renatlottiepilled]

That's a cool goal tbh

[@thecomposerchanginggames5250]

Leave out special edition ships, and it is an achievable goal. Good luck!

[@n.jurenic]

being able to do that would take like 20+ years of non stop omega

[@BerraLJ]

I used to solo build them in low sec npc station(regular ones not supers/titans obviously) CCP sure killed that with the changes to industry.

[@IIIgreendeadIII]

The big null groups use Caps for their umbrella and to escalate Fights a Lot -- jus look at the fight PanFam vs FIRE

[@CCP_Xyed]

Depends if you build it, buy it, or "borrow" it

[@EGSY-8p7]

"A: hey dude..remember i borrow Molok 2 month ago from you ? B: Yes, so what...you wanna return it ? A: ummm i just take out cap into open space to take some good screenshot and they just came from nowhere..."

[@JDog_Unchained]

Personally i think cap and super fights are more fun but scarcity has made everything more difficult to the point its almost not worth risking anything big at all

[@creativefox6066]

I explored all areas of space since 3 years and only once I saw a capital ship. Only once. Still wondering why they are there if you cannot fly the solo without alts. My corp has a lot off them but they stay docked forever.

[@surlyboomergaming2517]

"Not worth it if you want to hoard isk, but otherwise fun?" Oh, and wars.

[@downtherabbithole5206]

Part of the problem with capitals in PVE is that CCP has increased the cost of everything, but has not increased the bounties or money you make . In pvp I just feel like an oversize piñata.

[@thenoobdestroyer100]

i guess things have changed a little with marauders being nerfed, but dreds are being used a hell of alot now a days in eve CRABS are incredible isk sources if you have the cover fleet to protect you i have made more isk from my super carrier than any other ship ever. Rorquals are insanely good at the moment your point of not seeing cap fleets in the wild is a tad silly, it will never ever occur when you see caps roaming around unless they are a HAW dred camping a gate with a sup fleet

[@IIIgreendeadIII]

FAX Support at fleet Fights can make a huge difference

[@dontblink9445]

As a proud hyper rag owner, I disagree. However, you subcap boys rocking those marauders... well I salute you and the content you provide me. o7

[@AloneInFinlandWithADHD]

Saying they are isk syncs can be attributed to everything in eve. I've got 70 billion worth of sub capital ships, I don't need all of them but they shiney

[@theploot8230]

Big ships means big target practice. SPEED IS KEY!

[@skyblot]

Don't we need the isk sinks to help with inflation I have no interest in getting into a titan maybe a carrier

[@anthonyzullo]

Newbros, capitals is NOT eve online "end game content". There is any end game content like that. So there is endless fun doing the other 95% of the content. Lol

[@TrampyPulsar]

A suitcase carrier is always useful.

[@keldon_champion]

Combat capital ship are and always have been intended for corperate warfare, other than people ratting with a carrier their role has been corperate assets to pop stations and jump bridges, 99% of the time being a capital pilot is boring (per-upwell was even worse) because it is mostly just a lawn orniment. Industrial capitals are obviously a diffrent story.

[@uscopic4614]

I just like capital ship, I don't care if these are useful, just like big ship and big subcap fleet around them

[@Cantatio411]

Titans are useful for one purpose, Fleet logistics.

[@8vI]

This is the first bitter vet video ive seen from you. From my perspective its a soft reset on cap content. There are really no other space MMOs other than Star Citizen. The game is coming along but has a high barrier of entry and nothing fundamentally different than what eve has done for decades. Of course other than the POV. Eve is well positioned to surge in popularity if they play their cards right and continue to push content that expands player autonomy and interaction. The sandbox nature of eve is so sick!

[@Angelusfeliciano]

They need to buff the super capital vs sub capital

[@andrecamaraferreiradacosta8575]

How does he set the camera and the station like he did in the video? Wanna try in my account

[@bronzedisease]

dread fights are awful but on some other occasions they are fun. Anything aboveb that being so much hassle you have to deal with.

[@landen99]

When Eve killed capital ships, I left Eve. Maybe 2012? Carriers used to be drones and holes and used to be able to use cyno beacons to move quickly and easily. Forcing carriers through gates was stupid.

[@maksymshkopas8686]

lol dreads make 500kk in 15 minutes. You use them to farm for PVP ships. Marauders can do it to. But you are staying on site much longer than you should

[@momirbaborac5536]

No. Only as loot pinatas. I have an alt sitting in a titan that I haven't undocked for about a decade.

[@alice20001]

What would you say that would make capital ships worth it?

[@revamp2245]

The gameplay always ebbs and flows to ensure players dont all rush to caps to feel brave and sadly capable of playing, eve is diverse and has a multitude of gameplay functionailty.. some of the best gameplay ive ever experienced was not in caps, rather small to mid range fleet coops in mid cheapish hulls and fits, many great times in omens and stabber fleets..with lots of spares fitted ready to clone into and get back in the fight after only a few hours of ratting instead of weeks of ratting for one ship that just idles for hours on end to get blitzed in 5 mins.. dont get me wrong caps are great but the alternative is awesome..

[@Brazabrad]

Speed up titans, let me kite in a rag going 4000km/s

[@strawberry-parfait3922]

They broke the food chain by nerfing carriers to apply so bad on subcaps. If the a carrier was the biggest threat to a subcap fleet like its supposed to be then there would automatically be more reasons to bring Dreads.

[@Car_Mo]

They (CCP) might have had issues with the carrier vs. sub cap pilots requirement balance. It's a weird balance when one side of a fight can be 2 pilots in a carrier each and the other must be 20, 30 or more pilots to barely kill said carriers. To get the upper hand, the 2 carrier pilots just need one more friend and they own the grid. For a sub cap fleet to get ahead, they would have to bring 10-20 friends. I know a fight almost never looks that simple, sub caps could be marauders or frigates and carriers could be normal or super carriers ... but I'm just trying to visualize a point. I'm also not saying nerfs are good or bad, but there might be a reason for them from a CCP perspective. EVE is all fun and awesome until YOU are the one being outnumbered.

[@darviniusb]

THat is my problem with eve. I came back after couple of years of pause, i go to my idustrial capital, and bam some things are changed, in worse. I am not a pvp person, i play shooters for that, and i play eve for the pve and industrial aspects content, because is gorgeous and fantastic. My goal was to get a big ass capital and have no worries. There is no such thing now, there is no point in training for them, there is no end goal game. Not to mention that eve economy is fked up and the inflation is 100% since i left, so everything is double in price, good for my assets that i get double the value but bad because i have to pay double to get anything. And, they increased the price of subscription to, when any normal company would actually make as cheap as possible for people to play their game so it can increase the player base, plus mining is fked in eve right now, and mining was the base of eve economy ffs. This game has gone down so much. I know how to make isk easy and fast i have billions, is not a problem for me, but any new player will rage quit after he will lose his first 50 mil ship for witch the poor guy worked a week or more to mine in a venture some crappy worthless veldspar. Is sad but eve devs do not think at all at new players and they make it harder eve for returning veterans to play their game.

[@adawg3032]

If caps arent worth it, why do the corps that hold large amounts of territory always using them?

[@JAKEL33T]

At that point what else would they spend ISK on...

[@law7116]

I see where you are coming from. Eve is so old and so are most of its players. At the rate new people try the game and say eff it, plus the increases in price... It would be wise investment to not waste time and money training into these ships.

[@zorgzev96]

I think that caps are only worth it if you have friends with caps that do stuff. I trained into a Nid and Phoenix because I had friends that did content with them and I wanted to join them. Did I need them? No, I make so much isk with a paladin i had no real reason to get anything else. I just wanted a new toy to play with and something to suitcase my stuff to jncursions. That said I will never own a titan. That goes from a toy to alliance asset. Supers are fun. Carriers are fun. Dreads are fun. Marauders are awesome. Titans are assets and very not fun.

[@fergus247]

the problem is not that the game is "old" its that the people who are maintaining it are amateurs

[@peternottage508]

Being a wormholer in high class wormholes, caps are good for rolling and hd, caps need a sub cap fleet to go alongside as well. Been playing eve since 2013

[@generalagondray]

tf do you mean a relic of a bygone era, people are fighting with them all the time, if you have any presence outside of empire you have to have them. My community alone has lost a number of stations over the past year because we dont have a cap or numbers presence, 30 bs dont compete against a combined fleet of caps and support thats atleast 2 times more than the defense.

[@up0820]

I agree the capital ships are useless, there are so many good smaller ships for Pve and PvP.

[@josephdavis2198]

I've been saying for a few years now that CCP should create more systems; null sec, wormhole, all of it and at least do T2 and 3 versions of the caps that could be mobile bases. All the newer games have far more content just on the side of space to play in alone. If New Eden had the new spaces, it would (I feel) create the outcomes that CCP hoped it would have with the ore shortage. If you look at the real world, when there's a shortage the banks close their doors and everything stops. That's a recession. But how would the big alliances handle a million more systems and ships that could anchor and unanchor? If you had a T3 Rorqual that could refine, manufacture, and carry a moon drill and the space to play in, what would you do? If you had... a chimera (historically not that great) that could anchor and have the features of a fortizar and a market? If you had a Leviathan with the capabilities of a keepstar? Would you go hunting a T3 rorq? Would you try to fill up a station's worth of ore and try to unload it in a station like the mining outposts in Outer Ring? How many players would come back if they didn't have to grind for a big alliance and solo play like you do in null, or if there were twice as many wormhole spaces or there were as many triglavian spaces that players had access to like wormholes?

[@TheGahta]

It has over 10000 Systems, whatever it is, a lack of Systems it aint

[@josephdavis2198]

@@TheGahta it has 7000 and change, not over 10. That is part of it. Eve became notorious for its battles that made headlines, and the ships that produced them. It was always "go big or go home." Now there are games like Elite Dangerous with far more systems for players to express themselves in-game. The alliances have become stagnant. The borders are more or less well defined and everyone has become comfortable. They tried the needle jack to get players into null and so forth. It didn't do anything. The game is defined by the biggest players in the game. It's no different than a Petrie dish. Once the food supply is gone, it dies off. Open world mmos are defined by their space. Make the dish bigger and put a lot of food on it.

[@yukkimura]

@@josephdavis2198 Elite Dangerous has procedurally generated systems, so technically infinite space to play in. Which makes infinite amount of systems with 0 people in them, you could be jumping systems for a year straight and the closes player to you would be literally 1 year away, that would not fly in an MMORPG (Elite Dangerous is mostly single player with optional instanced multiplayer)

[@billybobj9988]

for clout? hahahaah. im sensing some major bias here

[@NealioSir]

Anytime, in any game, a feature exists that a certain section of the playerbase doesnt use that side claims its a game ruining feature. Rarely do players accept that there are other facets of the game they dont understand. Please show me some credible evidence that you have experienced the end game content in Eve enough to qualify your very shallow perspective on caps gaming.

[@donelkingii3738]

God no. You cannot do.anything solo in them. Them moment you are spot people make fleets to kill them. So for solo players they are a waste of time.

[@orthodoxNPC]

everything is a waste when you have no friends

[@mickeytjr3067]

CCP needs to look at Capitals pretty hard. Maybe it's time for them to allow them in up to 0.7 systems. Revamping missions and such to need caps and such. Currently Caps aren't really needed, everything you can do in a cap you can do in a non-cap.

[@iAmEpicLily]

Dreads are the best for farming what are yall talking about.

[@billybobj9988]

yeah this vid is very mis leading

[@iAmEpicLily]

@@billybobj9988 The only capital that isn't worth the investment IMO is a Titan. Like hooray you have spent countless sp and isk to be a bridge bitch and not much else. Granted Nullsec may see even dreads/supers differently but I still can't see how you would rather have even a marauder versus a dread/carrier/super for ratting. Especially if in an umbrella.

[@con2829]

If you can't afford it or don't wanna fly it then dont buy it

[@unknownunknown-ni1ns]

Pvp in any game is dogsht, fighting the npcs and other game mechanics are great. Pvp is the biggest scam to get real money purchases and time/isk sink.

[@Rikuto01]

No. No they are not. EVE would be fine without caps. We would still find reasons to kill each other and we wouldn't feel like we were stuck in an iron coffin.

[@landen99]

Anything that you don’t need is poorly designed. Eve broke capitals.

[@TheDjVtraxx]

CCP needs to make a change so that Capitals take 99% reduced damage from sub capital ships. ***It SHOULD Take caps to kill caps, nothing else*** under current meta and state of the game, they are nothing but a large loss mail.

[@Car_Mo]

And i guess it should work both ways, where a cap can only do 1% of their damage to a sub cap ?

[@jonpippen6998]

@@Car_Mo Subcaps are gnats compared to caps/super caps. Little ships should never be much if any threat to giant ships. Giant ships should always be a threat to smaller ships. Just like frigs shouldn't be able to be more than an annoyance to battleships and frigs shouldn't be able to tackle or hold ships bigger than themselves. And battleships shouldn't be able to tackle caps etc. If im ina battleship and you wanna kill me then you should have to be ina battleship or bigger to be able to tackle me or pose a threat

[@mandrakexTV]

Eve is not worth it anymore, not in the current state for sure... Make the game fun again CCP you greedy basterds! Make the game great again Hilmar! Drop your bonuses for one year and bring some really nice things, make it easier and more fun to play not harder. wtf.

[@asmi06]

Nothing in this game is an investment because you can never take it back legally. With that in mind this whole discussion is rather pointless, if you've got the money and a will to buy these toys - who am I to say no? Just make sure you know what you are getting into.

[@mekko1413]

KRAB beacons were to give people a reason to pull their caps out. You obviously are not a null sec player. I would recommend you stay to what you know cause you are absolutely incorrect in this video.

[@Agent_Clark]

If he was a lowsec player he would see caps being used every day and not talk like a bored nullseccer

[@ZeroWalker26]

Honestly Marauders and Capitals and most faction ships are not worth it. And honestly im thinking about using some skill extractors and take away SP from marauder and put it in to something that is F-ing useful and not just a gank magnet. I mean you slave away for days to get 1.5mill and lose it in second becuse ganking is so fun for 1 party of players. Honestly it make the shit pointless and just outright a hassle more than anything. Sure if you join goons or test or any of the big block by all means Marauders is great to have becuse you know you will have a 50+ man fleet coming to save your ass. To me marauders and capitals are just over expensive toys that has no good use, easy to lose in matter of seconds or minutes and all they do is add a bit more dps. Like take Marauders as an example. Like people will do everything just to gank you for luls becuse the ship is expensive. Also takes a damn long time to train in to. Same with capitals train long to get in to can only be used in war becuse every one will move heaven and earth to kill you. I don´t mind pvp but when 20-40 people just hunt you down becuse you are flying a marauder then you don´t take the risk becuse doing level 4 or null ratting is not worth taking the risk becuse the reward is ass. This is why I never bothered to train in to T2 mining ships becuse it´s not worth spending the extra skill time and the extra isk just for people to gank you for luls. Im not playing eve so others cam have fun at my expense. I love doing pvp in eve but ganking that just being an asshole just becuse being an asshole is fun for some. And I also want to add when it comes to Marauders the insurance is fuck stupid why do we even have the fucking mechanic hey have a 1.5bill ship and you get 90-110mill back. At least give back half it´s worth or just don´t have the mechanic. I mean losing a Marauder and get 90mill back is just insulting. I fully believe that if your have a mechanic in a game and it´s just a not worth it or a pain or a hassle just remove the shit no need to have it in game at all.

[@asmi06]

Get away from Jita, and you can rat in your Marauder (or anything else you wish) all day long without anyone ever bothering you. There are plenty of quiet systems, you've got to just put an effort into finding it.

[@ZeroWalker26]

@@asmi06 i live im catch.

[@sebastiantapia1481]

@@ZeroWalker26 Artons gank?

[@ZeroWalker26]

@@sebastiantapia1481 wolf and a few other ships.

[@casp3roo7]

I will agree that if you cannot think of a reason to get into a capital, you should not get one. They are expensive ships who you will only ever spend 1% of your time in. But that 1% is glorious and worth it. You just need a reason.

[@Beleleleina]

I 100% agree. I bought a carrier and regretted it within one day. Train Marauder skills. You'll make way more isk doing 10/10s than ratting in those stupid things.