羽田空港経験者の元管制官です。タワー管制官はグランド管制官から周波数移管されてから適切な指示を出していません。それは滑走路手前で待機の指示です。 規定では 【滑走路手前における待機】 (7)a 交通状況により航空機を滑走路に進入させられない場合は、滑走路手前での待機を指示するものとする。この場合、必要に応じて交通情報を当該機に提供するものとする。 b aにおいて具体的な復唱が得られない場合、又は復唱内容が不明確な場合は、パイロットに待機指示を復唱するよう指示するものとする。 飛行場管制席でTaxi to holding point C-5ではなくHold short of runway (traffic on final)を発出すべき。 何故か飛行場管制官はこの滑走路手前での待機の用語を言っていない。 ナンバーワンよりこちらの方が重要です。 Hold short of runwayの用語と過去の事例 atctraining.seesaa.net/article/115013583.html www.mlit.go.jp/jtsb/bunseki-kankoubutu/jtsbdigests/jtsbdigests_No6/No6_pdf/jtsbdi-06_0406.pdf jtsb.mlit.go.jp/jtsb/aircraft/air-kensaku-list.php?page=2
@かんかん-s3p10 ай бұрын
開示請求可能文書ですので問題ありません。
@BIC_Ri_SiTAR11 ай бұрын
12:26 地上管制(女性): 722A,Tokyo Ground,hold short C (海保722A,東京グラウンド,C誘導路で待機せよ) *JAL516: TWR JAL516 Spot18 (タワー,JAL516,スポット18番です) *羽田タワー: ***** Wind 320 at 7, We have departure. (JAL516,東京タワー,こんばんは,34Rに進入継続してください,風320度7ノット,離陸機がいます) 12:40 地上管制: 722A continue CHARLIE, C5 (海保722A,C5にて待機継続せよ) 12:46 地上管制: 722A contact tower 124.35 (海保722A,離陸準備でき次第,タワーと話してください,124.35MHz) 13:08 JAL516: JAL516, continue approach 34R. (JAL516,34Rに進入継続します) 14:58 JAL516: Cleared to land 34R, JAL516. (JAL516,34R,着陸支障なし)「着陸許可」 *JA722A: TWR JA722A C (タワー,海保722A,C誘導路上です) 15:10 羽田タワー: JA722A Tokyo TWR Good Evening. No.1.Taxi to Holding Point C5. (海保722A,東京タワー,こんばんは,1番目,C5滑走路停止位置まで地上走行してください) *JA722A: Taxi to holding point C5 JA722A No.1, Thank you. (C5停止位置まで向かいます,海保722A,一番目,ありがとう) 15:21 羽田タワー: JAL131 RWY 05 at D2 Line up and Wait. (JAL131,滑走路5,D2から滑走路上で待機せよ) JAL131: RWY 05 at D2 Line up and Wait JAL131 (滑走路5,D2から滑走路上で待機,JAL131) 15:52 JAL166: JAL166 Spot21. (JAL166,スポット21番です) 15:53 羽田タワー: JAL166, Good evening. No.2. RWY34R Continue approach. Wind 320 at 8. We have departure. Reduce speed to 160. (JL166,こんばんは,2番目,滑走路34R進入継続せよ,風320度8ノット,あなたの前に離陸機がいます,160ノットまで減速してください) 16:02 JAL166: Reduce to 160. 34R.Continue approach JAL166. good evening. (160ノットまで減速,34R,JAL166,こんばんは) 17:32 JAL131:Tower JAL131, We have fire on the RWY 34R. (タワー,JAL131,滑走路34Rで火災視認) Tokyo TWR: JAL131 Hold on the ground. (JAL131,地上待機せよ) 18:07 羽田タワー: JAL166 Go around.(JAL166,ゴーアラウンド) JAL166: JAL166 is going around.(JAL166,ゴーアラウンド) 18:48 羽田タワー: JAL166 Thank you. Fly heading 030, maintain 4000. (JAL166,ありがとう,030度に向けて飛行してください,4000ftを維持してください) JAL166: 030 ,4000, JAL166. (030度,4000フィート,JAL166) 19:11 羽田タワー: All departure from RWY34R, We have accident on RWY34R. Stand-by further information. (34Rから離陸するすべての機体へ,34Rにて事故発生,継続情報までスタンバイ) 21:58 羽田タワー: All station, Tokyo TWR. Stand-by further instructions, due to accident. (すべての機体,部署, こちら東京タワー, 継続情報を待て, 事故発生) 22:53 ANA627: Tokyo TWR. ANA627.(東京タワー,ANA627) 羽田タワー: ANA627 Go ahead.(ANA627,続きをどうぞ) 22:59 ANA627: We are also...すみません日本語で申し上げます、我々もお客様にちょっとご案内しなければならないのでどういう状況になってるのでしょうか? 羽田タワー: ANA627 まだ詳細はわかっておりませんが34R,えー..えー..火災..えー発生している状況です。Departureに関してはしばらくHoldingとなる予定です。 * 羽田タワー: All station, Tokyo TWR. Now Tokyo International airport Hane... Airport is closed. airport is closed. (すべての機体,部署,こちら東京タワー,羽田国際空港...空港閉鎖,空港閉鎖) 本来であれば管制官の発言から、JAL516着陸、JA722A離陸、JAL166着陸の予定のようです。JAL131は南の滑走路で離陸待機中で、ちょうど事故を見ていたと考えられます。 この動画に乗っていない音声については*がついています。ほかのサイトを参考にしています。約ミス、書き起こしミスは多分あると思います。
13:08『JL516, continue approach 34R.』 15:09『JA722A, Tokyo Tower Good Evening, No.1, taxi to holding point C-5.』 15:52『JL166, Spot 21.』 17:31『Tower, JAL131, We have fire on the RWY 34R.』『JL131, hold on the ground.』 17:49『Runway 34L clear to run, SFJ86.』 18:06『JL166, go around.』 『JL166 is going around.』 18:49『JL166, thank you, fly heading 030, maintain 4000.』『030, 4000, JL166.』 19:10『All departure from RWY34R, We have accident on RWY34R. Stand-by further information.』 ※推測含み&訳し間違い可能性あり
13:06 頃 Twr→JAL516 『JAL516,continue approach.Traffic B787 will depart from runway 34R』 14:58頃 JAL→Twr 『runway34R,cleared to land JAL516』 15:10 頃 Twr→海保機 『JA722A,you‘re no.1,taxy to holding point C-5』(復唱なし) 無線が不鮮明なため、推測を含みます。
@ManiacSky11 ай бұрын
解読と解説ありがとうございます
@bigwaves200611 ай бұрын
貴重な音声をアップいただきありがとうございます。15:10 左の音声で「JA722A, Tokyo Tower Good Evening, No.1, Taxi to Hold Short C-5」と聞こえますが、これに対する復唱が聞こえないのが残念です。この指示を海保側が認識していたかがポイントになりそうに思いました。
@@日出ズル國ノお父さん Taxi to Hold Shortだと「滑走路手前に待機に走行してください」になると思う
@ManiacSky11 ай бұрын
滑走路誤進入を管制官に知らせる装置があるのですね。
@marki697611 ай бұрын
what happened to the international standard communications? "Hold Short" and "Position and Hold" or "Line up and wait" ? In 25 years I've never heard the controller use an ambiguous "Holding Point". I havent seen the jepps for Haneda is holding point on the chart?
@ManiacSky11 ай бұрын
Thanks for your comment. I don't have jepp chart, but I can check AIP. As a result, there are many words (holding pisition) in AIP.
@marki697611 ай бұрын
Would love to see a picture of the chart @@ManiacSky
@ManiacSky11 ай бұрын
I have just made a movie regarding holding position at RJTT in AIP . Title is "AIP RJTT (Effective date : 01 Jan 2024)
15:53 羽田タワー: JAL166, Good evening. No.2. RWY34R Continue approach. Wind 320 at 8. We have departure. Reduce speed to 160. とありますが、このデパーチャー機は海保機のことでしょうか。また、この後、90秒ほど交信が無いですね。 海保機エーカーズと滑走路上の灯火の故障の問題もあるとのことです。
Summary (so far): 1, Runway warning lights have been broken (Nortified on NOTAM), but there was no safety substitution applied at time of Japan Airlines plane fire. 2, JA722A did not equip transponder to appear on the tower's radar. 3, Despite Haneda airport, such the larger and busy metropolitan airport used the same runway for arrivals and departures. 4, Possibly miscommunication occurred between the tower operator and the JA722A pilot regarding the permission of the entrance. Since, no one has mentioned about the black box of JA722A, we can not know whether the operator gave the permission to the JA722A pilot or not.
@ManiacSky11 ай бұрын
Thanks for your comment. Is it acceptable to operate on MEL with XPNDR broken?
@culage11 ай бұрын
@@ManiacSky IDK if JA722A's transponder was broken. However, what is certain is that JA722A was not shown on the radar of the control tower at Haneda Airport, which suggests that JA722A was not equipped with a transponder that could be seen on the radar, or that it was not functioning for some reason. Thank you so much for sharing the video, btw. It is very informative.
@ricktbdgc11 ай бұрын
Pilot (who survived)claims he was given clearance to take off.. which means he knew he was on the runway and was preparing to take off. This is strange since he confirmed the direction to hold at c5. Unless there has been a cover up and clearance to take off removed. Alot going on here. Hope there is black box recording to show he was given clearance to take off.
@ManiacSky11 ай бұрын
We have only to wait the black box analysis and the JTSB report.
@newdiggszweiundsiebzig11 ай бұрын
@culage, thanks for your summary and appreciate you’re trying to help, but just to clarify some stuff (I’m an Air Traffic Controller 🙂) Replying to your points above: Point 1: just for others reading, the “Stop Bars” (proper name in Air Traffic Control - ATC - vernacular, not runway warning lights) were indeed not in use (“U/S”) as per NOTAM from some time in December from memory. However, this is not unique to Haneda - this would be happening at dozens of other airports around the world as well. So Haneda Airport have done what they are required to do and provided notification of the situation, but there are other safeguards in place (ultimately, pilots need a clearance from the Aerodrome Controller to enter the runway - the final safeguard) 2. Your statement is not strictly correct… JA722A was not “ADS-B” equipped. ADS-B is ONE type of surveillance used in ATC, but there are others! “Primary” radar, Secondary Surveillance Radar (SSR) to name a couple. Most of us on this page have only seen graphics on news sites, or replays from ATC apps such as Flightradar 24. These use ADS-B as their source of information, but the actual Tower at Haneda would have had access to the FULL suite of surveillance using SSR more than ADS-B (I would confidently assert). The public is usually not able to view this information online. So to say that the ATC could not see JA722A on radar is unknown, at this point. 3. Despite there being parallel runways in use, it is not uncommon for arrivals and departures to be operating off the same single runway. This can be influenced by several factors, such as wind, amount of traffic, origin/direction of arriving aircraft, etc… Again, this is not uncommon in ATC practice around the world. It clearly had a very unfortunate impact in this example… 4. I would rather use the term “possible misUNDERSTANDING”, as opposed to “miscommunication”. I have read the transcript and heard the transmissions… there doesn’t appear to be any instruction given to the pilot of JA722A to ENTER THE RUNWAY… only an instruction to taxi to the holding point at intersection C5. Why the pilot entered the runway is a big part of the mystery - the Black Box recordings will go some way to clearing that up, as you say. What does seem a little unusual to me is that apparently the pilots of this aircraft were on a different frequency to the inbound aircraft. The tower controller may have multiple radio frequencies at their disposal… but usually there is a function called “re-transmit” which enables pilots of aircraft on different frequencies to hear transmissions from one ATC - so to the aircraft there is no distinction from one frequency to the next if the same ATC is calling. The investigation should find all this out (hopefully!) To be clear, I have no local knowledge of operations at Haneda (other than the runway configs) and the other things I’ve spoken about are more technically-related points common across ATC around the world. 🖖🏾
@eddyvuong444511 ай бұрын
Thanks😊
@gosekinz11 ай бұрын
ALL aircraft (civil or military including coastguard) should have an active ADS-B when operating from a civil airport
@ManiacSky11 ай бұрын
Haneda Airport may not equipt MLAT system.
@andrewbrown49111 ай бұрын
That’s not true, even small aircraft like Cessna and piper are not required to have ADS-B. They only need to squawk number given. And Military and emergency services like the police do not use ADS-B for obvious reasons.
@mkt31415911 ай бұрын
The time of the event occurrence was 08:47(UTC). I pray for the souls of those who have passed away. 発生時刻は08:47(UTC)。 亡くなられた方々のご冥福をお祈りいたします。 何てことだ。 被害に遭われた方々にお見舞い申し上げますとともに殉職した方々にはご冥福をお祈り致します。 元日、2日と災害があったが、自分は明日から通常通り働く。この間の災害を忘れるとかそういう事ではない。 今自分が出来ることを、やるだけだ。
I lived in Japan for years. They have fluent and clear english speaking people. The Janese caused these deaths by not placing fluent and clear english speaking nationals in ATC.
@ManiacSky11 ай бұрын
Thanks for your comment. I think there are many factors.
@evangelgreek686411 ай бұрын
Hello from Greece and thank you, awesome work !
@ManiacSky11 ай бұрын
Thanks. It's very tough work for me and my PC.
@yumoo443911 ай бұрын
Is there any sensor to let control tower know if any vehicle or aircraft accidentally into runway??? That’s very much simple and basic but essential signal to avoid accident , isn’t it?
@culage11 ай бұрын
ABC News said, "A NOTAM message, a notice containing information essential to pilots and other personnel concerned with flight operations, issued on Dec. 27 alerted pilots that the light system was down for the foreseeable future." Look into their article, "Runway warning lights were broken at time of Japan Airlines plane fire, report shows". Btw, the information has not been told by the Japanese authorities at the press conference.
@ManiacSky11 ай бұрын
Yes, the MLAT privide a information on active RWY and if so provide warning.
@ambivalentthoughts11 ай бұрын
I apologize for my amateur rudeness.素人の質問であることを赦してください。 15:10 JA722A Tokyo TWR Good Evening. No.1. Taxi to Holding Point C5. Regarding the air traffic controller's comment about "No. 1" at this time, did the pilot understand that he was indicating that "from now on, the runway is all yours"? この時の管制官の「No.1」という発言について、パイロットは「これからは滑走路はすべて君のものだ」と管制官が示したと理解したのでしょうか?
JA722A did not equip a newer transponder. Yeah, so no show on any radar. That's MLIT Japan's failure.
@PWALPOCO11 ай бұрын
I am led to beleive that you will NOT see the Coast Guard plane's position on the middle section of this playback because the Dash-8 aircraft was not fitted with ADSB which provides the data that you see for for the other aircraft in this video.
@ManiacSky11 ай бұрын
Dash8 is old type A/C. I think that it's difficult to equipt the ADS-out sys.
@culage11 ай бұрын
I can't believe the Coast Guard plane did not equip the newer transponder. The Coast Guard belongs to MLIT (Ministry of Land, Infrastructure, Transport and Tourism of Japan) as well as Haneda Airport does. This incident is totally MLIT's failure.
@michaelogden595811 ай бұрын
So. Looks like 34L was the primary incoming runway, while 34R was the outgoing runway. Could ATC and/or JAL516 have been mistaken to land on 34R?
@ManiacSky11 ай бұрын
I think it's depends on SID.
@newdiggszweiundsiebzig11 ай бұрын
It’s a reasonable question… As far as I can make out after a couple of views, there were other aircraft landing on 34R. Previous poster said depends on the (sic) “SID” (should be “STAR” - STANDARD ARRIVAL ROUTE, “SID” is for Departures 😉). I’ve no knowledge about specific RWY allocation at Haneda. Would be good for anyone with local knowledge to provide (informed!) comment. 🙏🏾
@SierraKilo9111 ай бұрын
No, that couldn't have been the case, 516 was definitely cleared for 34R
@culage11 ай бұрын
No, the runway should have been cleared for 516. The runway seems to be used for both, incoming and outgoing. Otherwise, the tower operator would not have suggested JA722A to taxi to the holding point of C5 toward 34R. JA722A was expected to depart from the same runway after 516 landed, which I think stupid.
@weekenderfam796511 ай бұрын
if the ATC communication is that poor as so many people complain about, then there could have been way more accidents and incidents already. This stream is just not the best and clearest as you would hear using the plane’s comms and headsets.
@ManiacSky11 ай бұрын
Thanks for your comment. If you need to hear the ATC, please refer to other sites.
@taipu_7411 ай бұрын
I dunno where is the coast guard plane
@culage11 ай бұрын
JA722A did not equip a transponder to appear on the radar.
I can't quite tell if JAL516 had been cleared to land. I've listened carefully but it's difficult due to the poor quality and mix of frequencies. Can anyone hear it? It's obviously quite important.
@VoltF111 ай бұрын
According to some sources JL516 was cleared, CG Dash 8 had been cleared to wait at c2, but it went on the runway. Tenerife 2.0 almost
@konp36811 ай бұрын
@@VoltF1 C5, if it was C2, they won't hit each other.
@ManiacSky11 ай бұрын
The tenerife incident crossed my mind.
@ManiacSky11 ай бұрын
Same as you.
@VoltF111 ай бұрын
@@ManiacSky Actually it’s the same to a USair collision, don’t know which it was
Such poor audio. 500 million dollar aeroplane but 2 dollar communication quality. Its a shame.
@Xtr3m3Sp00f3r11 ай бұрын
these recordings are from ground from amateur listening devices, they hear it differently in the tower and on the planes. the official recordings are not released yet
@PWALPOCO11 ай бұрын
I suspect this audio is captured by aviation hobbyists and not representative of the audio heard by aircrew or controllers.
@youtubechangemynamewhy11 ай бұрын
In pilot’s headset it’s much clearer than this, still different country different accent
@Harpers.11 ай бұрын
Priority is origin your language in country! easy.
@chiaojian612211 ай бұрын
It is no wonder that mishaps are waiting to happen! All communications were intertwined into a big blob of sweet sour hot pot! Now I know this is happening seriously in Japan, I will avoid this airspace for awhile!
@kagami366511 ай бұрын
The situation at major airports in the United States is not necessarily better. Ther're all very busy.
@signintoconfirm616811 ай бұрын
Well no wonder this happened. The speech from the tower is basically incomprehensible. Too quiet, too fast and too poorly enunciated. The solution here is to allow Japanese or to use much much clearer English. Maybe even text to speech would be better than this.
@anguslee518511 ай бұрын
Japan ATC been like that for decades. It’s a lil challenging for those who never flown here but once you used to it. You can pick it up. But yeah it’s not ideal
@Avionicx11 ай бұрын
The audio on youtube is heavily compressed, it's *much* more audible in the planes and towers. And we use English only to minimize confusion, having them speak Japanese would confuse all the non-Japanese pilos there
@neiltinley485811 ай бұрын
Remember also that Live ATC works by radios picking up broadcasts (often in rough proximity of the airport). This isn't a clean audio stream provided from ATC archives, just a rough & ready publicly available streamed archive.