James Charles Fights Fans, Tati Beauty Returns & Scentbird is OVER! | BEAUTIFUL & BOTHERED | Ep. 84

On this week’s episode of Beautiful and Bothered, Johnny and Kevin discuss the return of Tati Beauty, James Charles fighting with fans on TikTok Live, and fragrance company Scentbird's co-founder and CEO cancelling her own brand following her horrific views!
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[@jilljohnson251]

I am a believer. Johnny and Kevin spark such intelligent conversation surrounding an array of topics. I can't even begin to understand the many negative experiences they've endured at the hands of so-called "I'm-better-than-you" Christians. When one of my best friends came out to me in 1996 with fear in his eyes and barely able to get the words out, it changed my life. I didn't realize my eyes were closed until they were opened. This podcast has as much to do with inner beauty as it does with makeup and skincare. Johnny and Kevin have showed me a different perspective on how people's actions and words affect others. I love them. I would encourage anyone who gets a clip of these beautiful men in a YT feed to click on this channel and listen to what they have to say.

[@beautifulandbothered]

Thank you so much 🤟🥰🥰

[@user-vl5bj6of2s]

@jilljohnson251 and the respect for each other. Letting the other one talk and being an excellent listener. BRAVO!!

[@jilljohnson251]

@@user-vl5bj6of2s Absolutely! We can learn a lot watching these guys. I love hearing about beauty products, but really enjoy hearing them just tell their stories, experiences, and perspectives on things.

[@cathygiuliana9089]

I love Johnny and Kevin both for who and what they are! Their viewers are some of the kindest, most genuine and supportive people I’ve met online or anywhere else.

[@jilljohnson251]

@@cathygiuliana9089 Amen! I wish there was a way we could all meet each other :-) There needs to be a B&B tour!

[@VioletE420]

THANK YOU for speaking about Scentbird! Not many people have spoken up on this issue! Very happy to see more voices speak up about this. ❤

[@kellygreengables3936]

Yes, especially with the prevalence of influencers and celebrities sponsored by the brand. I get they're under contract but it's wild to see hardly anyone acknowledge the controversy.

[@jayg3242]

It's like betterhelp. They are a garbage company, yet Erin Parsons, Brad Mondo, Annie Elise, and more STILL promote them! Phil Defranco had to apologize for promoting them, yet these newish influences can't take 5 min to Google??

[@X3r0.]

@@VioletE420 if you KZbin search "scentbird scam" you'll find tons of KZbinrs talking about how the CEO is possibly , allegedly, maybe a cult leader 🤣 how it wasn't worth it for creators etc

[@natmac8378]

I'm broken listening to this woman's words. I miscarried after an SA when I was 17. I'm 39 now and Tomorrow i get test results at the hospital to see if I have any viable eggs to move forward with IVF 💔 why do these people think they can say things to us. Thank you as always Johnny and Kevin for always pushing back on bigotry, cruelty and intolerance ❤ i discovered your podcast when i was coming down into a terrible depression from a manic episode of my Bipolar Disorder. You are one of the few constants in my life and such a comfort and i love you both ❤

[@christinegraham2579]

Sending you Love, Light & Healing Energies! 💖🕯️❤️‍🩹

[@maryeckel9682]

Best wishes for a positive test tomorrow

[@beautifulandbothered]

Sending you lots of love❤‍🩹

[@dawntigga]

@@natmac8378 oh my darling, I hope you get excellent news today

[@kiwanczyk]

Hope everything goes well for you!

[@tamrasmith1744]

I tried to watch Tati when she came back, but I could not take her talking about how God saved her marriage. If you don’t know, she and her husband split up, then they got back together, and she says they don’t need therapy because their faith and the church saved their marriage. Look, I am the daughter of a United Methodist Preacher who fell in love with the choir director while married to my mother. The UMC’s reaction was to move him to another church and have him and my mother go through therapy with another preacher, but he got to continue being a preacher. My mom was counseled to be a better wife and forgive my dad. Less than 2 months later my dad told my mom she had to leave, because he wanted to marry the choir director. So admittedly I’m biased, but girl, if you want to go to church, that’s fine, but go the a real couple’s therapist who won’t just tell you to be a better wife.

[@TheSlong123]

I stopped watching tati because every single time I've tried to watch her it seems like I'm watching an ad on QVC. And the God thing...just...no.

[@EmmaHacker-kj9un]

I grew up in the UMC. Im saddened to hear of your experience but not surprised. I left when the church was threatening to split due to differences in beliefs about LGBTQIA+. I finally realized that the church was not as loving or progressive as I deluded myself into believing.

[@tamrasmith1744]

@@EmmaHacker-kj9un I left when they passed the original rules that preachers could not be homosexual or perform same sex marriages. That happened in the late 90s. Prior to that, there was no actual rule. There were a few homosexual preachers and a small number of churches where preachers performed same sex weddings. There was one in Nashville. I don’t know how much you know, most members weren’t even aware that the UMC included churches in Africa. That was where a lot of the anti-LGBTQ+ sentiment came from. What really made me angry, was that letting individual churches decide for themselves to allow same sex weddings or accept a homosexual preacher was working fine, but people who were against it had to cause trouble. They brought up a resolution to be voted on at Annual Conference by all the churches that would make same sex wedding approved in all churches and homosexual preachers approved in all churches. They knew it would lose and in turn the opposite would become the rule at all churches. They couldn’t stand that there were a few homosexual preachers that their churches loved and a few churches performing same sex weddings . My mom was raised a Methodist and still is one. She is thrilled her church voted to finally split with the most conservative churches after about 26 years of this crap. People have fought for this split since this ruling happened. The answer for why supposedly good people were against it was always money. All the churches pool their money and losing all those African churches and a lot of American churches was a financial blow. For instance, it reduced the pension my mom gets from my dad by a bit. But what matters more, money or doing what’s right? Anyway, I’ve basically lost my faith in general, but I definitely lost faith in the UMC over my family and that whole mess in the 90s.

[@Tea_Noire]

​@EmmaHacker-kj9un The most Christ-like people I've met were people who didn't attend church. If you think about it, Jesus didn't have fancy buildings entirely dedicated to him when he preached, he preached on open fields or hillsides, places where literally everyone was welcome to come and listen if they wanted, and the very first Christians worshipped in humble homes. I think churches are an instrument devised by the rich and powerful to keep the masses hateful and at each other's throats, to keep us fighting each other so we're distracted enough to not notice how they're exploiting us and draining the world dry of resources.

[@tamrasmith1744]

@@EmmaHacker-kj9un Oh, BTW, not that you asked, but my brother is gay and was out before this rule with the UMC came down in the 90s. I was already an ally, but my mother quickly became a very strong one. My father on the other hand, had once told me that Science supported that people are born gay, and he knew God didn’t create people to be sinners, so being gay could not be a sin. Later, after he married the choir director, who was evangelical and only worked at our church, he apparently changed his tune. He quit the UMC, moved to Florida, worked in the USPS, and preached in his own ministry on Sunday. 😖 Makes sense, he always thought he was God, why not try to start a cult. We lost touch, because I didn’t buy into his BS, but he occasionally tries to “save” my brother. He now thinks only heterosexual sex intended to have babies is OK with God. I hope that means he is abstinent, because I know he had a vasectomy decades ago. Sorry, TMI. I just needed to rant for a second about the hypocrisy of a certain type of religious person, even if only in a comment no one sees. 🤦🏻‍♀️LOL I feel better now.

[@jilljohnson251]

Kate Middleton was very sick with hyperemesis gravidarum when she was expecting Prince George. (I'm not sure if she had this condition with Charlotte or Louis). But she had the best care in the world. It brought the subject into the spotlight for a time, but that was 10+ years ago. Thank you so much for addressing this sensitive topic with such compassion.

[@yvettebasson1243]

She had it with all 3, poor woman. My sister had it with both her kids too, she was hospitalised so much.

[@beautifulandbothered]

@@yvettebasson1243 ❤‍🩹

[@jilljohnson251]

@@yvettebasson1243 I can't imagine what she went through. I've been told it's like menstrual cramps and the stomach flu, combined, times ten. Much love to your sister. Hope she is doing well.

[@franloiacono9306]

They even a storyline about it on Jane the Virgin (because Petra cannot catch a break)

[@franloiacono9306]

@@yvettebasson1243 I also believe that Kim Kardashian maybe had something similar? I know that's why she used a surrogate because her last few pregnancies were so very hard on her poor thing.

[@BethKetelaar]

I just paused the video to go over and cancel my Scentbird subscription. When you cancel, the last question it asks you is actually - “If you were the CEO, what would you do to make it better.” I said, “Your founder and her insane comments are why I am cancelling!”

[@kaykayj73]

I also just cancelled and answered the question, “Well, if I was the CEO, I wouldn’t be a piece of shit :)” and it felt good. 😂

[@user-lf5oz9ki8z]

"Just because you're loud doesn't mean you're right." I'm literally going to have the put on a T-shirt.

[@beautifulandbothered]

🤣

[@jilljohnson251]

B&B merch!

[@bjakell]

Please make this into merch 🤣

[@kateq7212]

The Dutch guy in the Olympics was gaoled in the UK for r@.ing a child in the UK. The judge told him that his sporting career was over. He was subsequently transferred to the Netherlands to complete his sentence. He was released and the Dutch put him on the Olympics team. Shocking.

[@maryeckel9682]

I mean, WTF Netherlands?!

[@Jiinx123]

I feel vindicated when you guys read brands and the beauty industry for filth. Starting my week with this pod is always starting my week off right. 🤭💄☕️

[@beautifulandbothered]

Enjoy!!

[@cristalleslie6311]

I agree! Watching dark skinned women say the fenty blush was nice was so shocking. They look ashy.

[@X3r0.]

Let it be known, I like Johnny & Kevin for themselves, not simply the content they give us. 🖤

[@beautifulandbothered]

Love you!

[@kchattx]

THIS! I like them as people. They just happen to be amazing at makeup and give killer recommendations that have upped my makeup game! But they’re real, honest, and down to earth. I feel like I’m hanging out with a bestie. They talk about real shit too. 💙

[@X3r0.]

@@beautifulandbothered Love y'all xo 🖤

[@X3r0.]

@@kchattx real recognizes real!

[@wplants9793]

I’d pretty much watch anything they’d do

[@JoeyRoo]

It’s Sunday service! Ladies, get ready! Lol I just started working as a freelancer for Nars and I got my boss into the pod 😂

[@beautifulandbothered]

Thanks for recruiting them!

[@anca6702]

Jonny uh your comments about "cancelation"of James Charles are the most insightful words I've heard this year! Love this podcast 🎉

[@beautifulandbothered]

Thanks for the support!

[@pragyasingh2297]

Totally agree! These are the kinds of conversations we should be normalizing

[@ersheri]

@@pragyasingh2297 Absolutely!!

[@ffmadari]

I, as many other women have, had a miscarriage. I am telling you, it’s hard enough to go through that, to have someone tell you it’s your choice. I literally felt so guilty (even though I did nothing wrong), for having lost my baby, that I had to go to therapy just to be able to get pregnant again. I am so grateful to you two for addressing this issue.

[@Ryanneey]

A friend of mine had this issue during her pregnancy. It was incredibly sad. She could not keep food down and ended up losing weight during her pregnancy instead of gaining. Eventually, the doctor prescribed her chemotherapy-related medication to help her make it through her pregnancy. Thanks for talking about this ❤

[@beautifulandbothered]

Sending her love ❤‍🩹

[@corvidsRcool]

Same. I literally ended up at a lower weight with my second baby than my pre-pregnancy weight, but because I started out kinda fat the doctors were never too concerned. If not for phenergan, I wonder if I would have been able to keep enough down to keep both my baby and myself alive.

[@dakotahs.4185]

Sending love and good vibes❤

[@christinegraham2579]

Sending Love, Light & Healing Energies! 💖🕯️❤️‍🩹

[@meowcenary21]

Thank you for using the platform to raise awareness ❤

[@mirross4890]

I feel like the adult experience is going “oh no one think like that” then experiencing people that think like that and coming to terms with it

[@beautifulandbothered]

Sadly this

[@linseylinsey]

Olive Garden and KZbin: When You're Here, You're Family 🤝

[@beautifulandbothered]

Lmao

[@currentusername3533]

So glad you’re talking about hyperemesis. I had this with my pregnancy and got sterilized to avoid it. I cannot describe how depressing and hopeless it can feel to need medication and hospitalization to keep yourself and your baby alive.

[@beautifulandbothered]

Omg so sorry that happened to you ❤‍🩹 sending you love

[@TheLaziestDragon]

58:08 Kevin looking at the audience like Dora the Explorer is fucking KILLING ME! 😂😂😂

[@beautifulandbothered]

💀

[@LydiaReneeDarling]

Thank you for covering the Scentbird CEO; the eye color horoscope esque comments she peddled were so eugenicist and I’m really glad to see bigger creators cover this. Ugh. Just so evil the things she’s said about so many people suffering (miscarriage, AIDS, cancer. Etc.) Reminds me a ton of the Deciem founder who was very unstable and making incredibly offensive statements before his passing. I hope she is able to get treatment and have her public platform paused until she is no longer saying such harmful rhetoric.

[@beautifulandbothered]

So awful

[@1015SaturdayNight]

Oh gosh, the story of the Ordinary founder is so tragic.

[@Tea_Noire]

The Deciem founder was clearly having a manic episode of some sort, the Scentbird CEO is just another lunatic full of herself and ranting and raving about her opinions no one asked for a la J Karen Rowling.

[@PaleOpal21]

I've never been pregnant, but for a while I was getting food poisoning from everything I ate. As soon as it was found out that I was in my fifties, it was determined that I was deliberately doing it to myself from a doctor and a therapist. Through careful eating it stopped but the amount of gaslighting I received was ridiculous.

[@beautifulandbothered]

So sorry that happened to you ❤‍🩹

[@maryeckel9682]

They LOVE to blame GI problems on us! I do have a stupid tendency to eat stuff I know won't digest well, and I own that, but why TF would I want IBS-M? Why would you want to suffer all the time?

[@dawntigga]

It's been a long day of cocktails. I have no filters and am currently pairing the podcast with mojitos.

[@caib.4853]

The one and only appropriate item to accompany the podcast😂❤ Hope you're having a fabulous time wherever you are🍸🍻

[@heathervannatter364]

Cheers 🥂

[@kellygreengables3936]

Lol this comment inspires me to make a Beautiful and Bothered Bingo card/drinking game 😂

[@beautifulandbothered]

Cheers mama you will need it!

[@maryeckel9682]

Nothing fancy today, eh?

[@PolskaLalka]

A podcast episode the day after you meet Kevin is *chefs kiss*

[@beautifulandbothered]

Love!!!

[@frizzlebean]

I hope both Kevin & Johnny know that I don't need a barbra comedy skit to watch your content! I'm in my mid twenties and I'm nonbinary, so I'd love to see "simple" makeup videos that won't make me feel too femme! Both of you always give way more in detail and helpful tips, which is so much more helpful than a wild eyeshadow makeup look I won't be able to recreate myself!

[@beautifulandbothered]

Thank you!! That means a lot love!

[@maddiewetter6572]

I didn't have hyperemesis, but when I was pregnant for the first four months, I had really severe morning sickness to the point where my doctor almost put me in the hospital. I tried three different meds, and nothing worked. I felt so hopeless and tired. I could barely work or move, and oftentimes, I'd spend almost twenty-four hours in the same place because if I moved, I'd puke. I can't imagine having that for the full nine months. That would be literal hell. Also, the fact that we haven't researched so many things to do with women's health is absolutely disgusting. We need to do better as a species.

[@beautifulandbothered]

❤‍🩹❤‍🩹❤‍🩹

[@roses_of_ludovico2709]

Listen. Tati was fine with JS and JC when it worked for her. Come on now…… Can’t be bothered. 😑

[@heyhassanmedia]

I was at a party with some fragrance executives and Scentbird employees last year and the things they were telling ME about her were insane so...

[@beautifulandbothered]

yikes!!

[@WickedMuse]

And… pray tell 😂 ☕️

[@aleckzandareable]

I had Hyperemesis when I was pregnant, and it was awful! I lost weight, had to be on Iron supplements. Then, bedrest from 28 weeks on due to going into constant labor.

[@beautifulandbothered]

Omg! You poor thing! Sending you love mama ❤‍🩹❤‍🩹

[@NeoStar]

Oh. My. God. That sounds awful. Lots of love to you.

[@zombieloveserte]

I need a part 2 to this whole thing.

[@beautifulandbothered]

🤔😉

[@DeviMaidelights]

Agreed!

[@betsysloan4619]

I had severe morning sickness 24/7 for 4 months! I wanted my child! I have learned we must advocate for ourselves and our loved ones!

[@beautifulandbothered]

So sorry that happened to you

[@betsysloan4619]

@@beautifulandbothered Thank you so much! ❤

[@buffyrocks0149]

@betsysloan4619 hugs... I lost 3.5 stone 49 pounds in weight in the first 4 months of my pregnancy with twins 25 years ago. At one point, they said it was physchosomatic 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@betsysloan4619]

@@buffyrocks0149, I am so sorry. Doctors don't believe women! I was having pain 2 weeks every month and doctors didn't think anything was wrong. My primary doctor sent me for an ultrasound and I had an endometriosis cyst on my ovary and another cyst on my other ovary! We must be our own advocates! So sorry you went through a difficult time. Hugs!

[@sandybrand3230]

@@buffyrocks0149🤦🏻‍♀️

[@lindsayb2864]

The lack of scientific knowledge around women’s bodies is shocking. Period products weren’t properly tested using blood until 2023!

[@beautifulandbothered]

Awful!

[@marciamarciamarcia3117]

Invisible Women by Caroline Perez is an incredible, eye opening resource in terms of companies and research completely ignoring women. Everything from your IPhone to your seatbelts to your pharmaceuticals are designed for the average man’s body. Drug companies weren’t even required to test drugs on women in clinical trials until 1993!

[@maryeckel9682]

What did they use, that blue stuff from the pad ads?

[@lindsayb2864]

@@marciamarciamarcia3117it’s a great book! I recommend it to my students when discussing research design and ethics.

[@GMW.artist]

It's not just blood either, it also contains vaginal secretions, mucus and the inner lining of the uterus.. hence the clots and pain...

[@CreekSideLagotto]

I don’t want to sound crass because I’m sure she’s a lovely person and she’s been thru it but the minute Tati started the spirit spirit stuff I was like let’s click off here. I’m just here for make up and good times folks.

[@leahjowe1766]

Why does Raw Beauty Kristi not support vaccines and public schools but does support James Charles??!!

[@melancholic_ghostsss]

Hearing oobleck sent me back to elementary school😂

[@beautifulandbothered]

🤣🤣

[@FenTastic18]

Small heads up? For some reason in the last few episodes of the podcast, the wide shot camera has been just slightly out of focus, especially on Kevin’s side of the screen (so right hand side from the viewer’s perspective) haven’t seen anyone else bring it up, but I notice because I lip read a lot (hard of hearing) and I’ve been wondering why it’s harder to focus on Kevin’s face in the wide shot but fine in the individual close ups; love you guys, and y’all really do make my Sunday’s with your posts ❤

[@beautifulandbothered]

Sorry that happened- will try to adjust moving forward

[@Kinnels]

Dr. Ramani talks about how SO many of the most successful and well-known people in the world have narcissistic personality traits.

[@cynosure131]

I love Dr Ramani! I had to write an English paper and referenced her work. I learned a lot while doing research.

[@daniellaa8688]

It's episodes like this that make me glad that I found you guys. You always keep it so authentic and hilarious at the same time. So thank you guys for being you and thank you Robert Welsh, without him I wouldn't have found you and stayed. Love you guys!!❤❤

[@beautifulandbothered]

Love you!

[@leeshaolivier9298]

"Naw. 1990 was ten years ago."--my brain.

[@Kyto0047]

“Flames, flames on the side of my face, breathing ….” -Mrs. White

[@pragyasingh2297]

Anyone who makes and understands that reference has excellent taste in movies and iconic characters ❤ I’ve made that reference so many times and gotten blank stares which breaks my heart

[@beautifulandbothered]

I C O N I C

[@laurenboiles6154]

Thank you for this information about Scentbird!! One of the reasons I watch you both is because you guys are honest and care. Most do not. I don’t watch Mykala nor care about her, but this burns me that she gets rates that are insane and you don’t !! I think people like to see people fail and and these brands don’t give a shit. If I don’t like a brand owner, I will not give them any money! Kevin looked so gorgeous at the wedding ❤❤❤

[@beautifulandbothered]

❤❤❤

[@queenyllz5368]

Ain't nobody can make Johnny crack up along with us like Kevin can. 😂😂😂 Slay queens ❤❤❤

[@beautifulandbothered]

You know it!

[@jilljohnson251]

You guys, if you haven't been to JCPenney Beauty, I highly recommend it. This new store went into a lot of the JCPenneys after Sephora pulled out to go to Kohl’s. They have a lot of brands that you can't find on Ulta or Sephora such as Monika Blunder and KimChi. They also had UOMA Beauty there and I walked away with the TRIPPIN SMOOTH SETTING POWDER. All I can say is WOW. Johnny & Kevin never let us down! The stuff is amazing. If you don't have a Sephora or Ulta store close by this a solid option if you're in the vicinity of a JCP. I have a mental list of products the guys have recommended and am so happy to have crossed one off my list 😊 Love you Johnny & Kevin ❤

[@WickedMuse]

I think they’re the ones that wouldn’t work with Johnny coz he’s a guy. 🤮put them in the garbage

[@wplants9793]

I have actually fallen in love with JC Penny in the past few years. It’s one of the few department stores that is still open around me and I find them to be well stocked, a lot of variety, and have decent quality and regular awesome sales

[@jilljohnson251]

@@wplants9793 Yes! My closest Ulta & Sephora stores aren't super far (30+ & 20+ miles away, respectively. ) But the JCP is so convenient! I am up that way all the time, however, I've not set foot in the Mall in probably a year. So my husband and I had a date Saturday night and I asked if we could go into the mall, so I could "just take a quick look" at what moved into the old Sephora space. I'm addicted now. (And my hubby is a patient saint who waited while I looked around.)

[@mommybat2941]

Every episode is amazing but this one POPPED OFF

[@beautifulandbothered]

Tell a friend!

[@brookegardner4748]

That One Size oil sucker keeps my foundation on. I use it with the Secure the Blur too. I have been waiting my whole life for this product.

[@CrystalLynnBeauty]

So excited, I just got it today!

[@janettebabcock7115]

*Buys Avon just to be able to spend time with Kevin and talk about products* 😂❤️ also never thought I would hear a mini plot breakdown for the movie of one of my favorite book series 😂

[@hillaryhunt9485]

I unsubscribed from Tati not long after her come back. Her drama with James/Jeffree plus her comments about the “spiritual realm” just made me see her in a different light.

[@Miss-320]

I too unfollowed a ton of people since watching State of Kait video called “ways influencers trick you” omg I was like I’m Done! ✅

[@SugarNSpicer]

I just don’t understand what the CEO of Scentbird gets out of believing that? Does she feel superior because of it? It’s just totally wild

[@melaniecox1606]

Absolutely love you two. I’m sixty-five and you offer to me: intelligence, extreme humor, and hope for the future. Thanks for entertaining and educating me.

[@billyblue8827]

I just love the unapologetic nature of you two. You are not afraid to say the things about PEOPLE WHO DONT DESERVE TO BE IN THE SPOTLIGHT EVER AGAIN!!!!! And you guys just give me life. I feel like when I watch these videos that I’m sitting there gossiping with the judgement gays talking about who messed up. Like it’s just so nice knowing I’m not alone in my hateful ways lol

[@beautifulandbothered]

Love you mama! Always room for you here!

[@knitntherapist7520]

You guys do more for education of your viewers than you’ll ever know. Every week I’m finding out about more friends who are watching you on the side - cis or trans, gay or straight or ace - you give so much to us. Your intelligence, both of you, leaves me speechless.

[@beautifulandbothered]

Omg thank you! 🤟

[@lkbeirute1]

Thank you for your blatant honesty. In the past, I go to the store and found what I needed and got it. I didn't understand all the different levels of makeup and how they work together to make a beautiful finish. Thank you, Johnny and Kevin. I use your podcast, after show patreon, etc. Ive learned so much. Name brands, where to buy them. The horrible brands, how they don't work together, etc. Ive learned so much from you both. Thank you. Big hugs, LisaKaye

[@beautifulandbothered]

Sending hugs and love back Lisa!

[@melreed5987]

I love how deep you go with social issues and analysis underlying the drama with makeup brands. Your episodes will never not be interesting to me. Thank you for the work that you do x

[@user-lf5oz9ki8z]

My husband and I own an auto body repair shop, and for painting over plastics we have to use a "flex additive" to the paint. I remember years ago joking with my husband that flex additive needs to be put in complexion products. I guess they finally did it.

[@beautifulandbothered]

🤣🤣🤣

[@dawntigga]

I want the people I follow to be truthful and be successful.

[@glitterngratitude3901]

I just canceled my Scentbird subscription and left a scalding feedback that I will not support such a person!!

[@maryeckel9682]

👊👊

[@xqueenfrostine]

If you looking for a similar service, I’ve been a Scentbox subscriber for 3 years and really like them. They let you exchange your fragrance if you hate it which is really nice. Unlike Scentbird they still send cases every month and I haven’t run into the issue I always did when I still had Scentbird where most of the fragrances in my queue would go out of stock before they could get sent to me. Scentbox’s library is a little more mainstream and less indie than Scentbird, so that’s the only con in my book. I know nothing about its founder though do I can’t vouch for them, but I’m hoping no news is good news for that!

[@arifaziz93]

Johnny was so on point with regard to the decay caused in our society by people not caring when something doesn't directly impact them. When you call out an injustice at its face, wherever it is, and we all can accept that it is an injustice, is when we can work toward improving society. If we are so self centered as to fail to bother to even feign an understanding or concern with regard to what happens to the people around us, then we really just are failed as a society. TY for your insight. While the example was specific to makeup and content creation, it such a universal concept.

[@corvidsRcool]

It's funny you bring up how Michael Richards' racist rant ended his career (which ironically was before social media and "cancel culture"), when Louis CK did arguably worse with his weird sexual misconduct towards women, got publically "canceled" and came back a few months later doing stand up at a club in NY like nothing ever happened. Not that I'm saying what Richards did was ok or forgivable, but so many women told their stories about Louis CK and the consensus was "sure... but he's so funny". It's gross either way.

[@beautifulandbothered]

Yes!!!

[@maryeckel9682]

I will never understand that. He's not that funny. He's gross.

[@glitteringmaze]

When James Welsh talked about the Scentbird thing a few weeks ago, I immediately canceled my subscription and told my sister and friends... Glad to see y'all talked about it too, so hopefully even more people see this, because that was jawdropping hot garbage, to say the least...

[@tamrasmith1744]

Scent Bird and Fab, Fit, Fun aren’t just cancelling themselves because of problematic founders, they are cancelling KZbinrs. The KZbinrs I will continue to follow like JenLuvs, who has done sponsorships with Scent Bird for years and been a Fab,Fit, Fun Affiliate for years, cancelled all involvement with both brands and explained why in videos. I realize people may have contracts, but if they don’t stop doing Scent Bird and Fab Fit Fun Ads soon, I’m done. For now, I click out of any video that mentions either.

[@maddiewetter6572]

I second that. I'd like to add people who still promote Better Help as well. Their shady af

[@tamrasmith1744]

@@maddiewetter6572 I’ve heard Better Health is shady, but if I unsubscribe from everyone who does ads for Better Health, I have to unsubscribe from Trixie, who claims to be an actual user who has benefited from being able to talk to a therapist while on tour. I’m willing to believe she discounts the complaints, because her personal experience has been good. It’s not like anyone there said Hitler was a good guy, or did they? That being said, whenever anyone does a Better Health ad, I look for the comments that are there saying it’s a bad company. I always like and reply in agreement to those comments. In the future, I will probably unsubscribe from anyone I have a less strong weird parasocial relationship with than Trixie. Sarcastic drag queens are my kryptonite. 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@thatswhatleighsaid]

As a mother who spent the last 8 weeks of my pregnancy in an Antepartum unit because my second child tried to escape early, and as someone who just listened to mothers who dealt with grave sickness day and day out for a variety of reasons, I am so GLAD to hear two MEN stick up for women. I am so glad I canceled my scentbird subscription a few months ago, on a whim. I will never do business with them again after hearing this. Thank you for educating us!! ❤

[@KarlyNicole]

You two have me dying laughing every time you drop your pod. I f#cking love it.💕

[@beautifulandbothered]

Enjoy!

[@CrystalLynnBeauty]

Would it be possible to post the patreon makeup videos on KZbin after a week or two? So patreon gets the exclusive but the rest of us can still watch most things? That would be so cool.

[@hansolohansolo]

Thank y'all for talking about the Scentbird stuff. The things that woman has said are unforgivable, and I wish more KZbinrs and influencers who have done sponsorships with them would speak up and condemn her comments. You're one of maybe two channels i follow that has actually brought it up 😥

[@beautifulandbothered]

Always gonna be honest here

[@Gooberpotomous]

You know what they say: tere's a fine line between genius and insanity

[@beautifulandbothered]

so thin

[@erinmcclain6423]

1:15:44 Bear in mind too that ShaCarrie Richardson didn’t get to compete in Tokyo bc of Cannabis use. I don’t get the standard the Olympics was to set, how is LEGAL drug use worse than SA?

[@HelenM-sy7gj]

I haven’t even finished watching the segment about the “ScentBird Asshat” and am shaking with rage! My sister-in-law died of colon cancer at 42, I had two Aunts die of breast cancer and my mother is going through breast cancer treatment now. The inference is your will must be weak that because their cancer did not disappear with will/prayer. It is utterly callous and insulting to any person with cancer, their families and those who lost love ones. I cannot even handle the miscarriage lies. Close friends and family who have jumped through hoops to get pregnant. Then sadly had miscarriages despite wanting children with all their being. The idea that they did not want a child is…… I can’t even put it into words. This person must go away and if ANYONE accepts them as a sponsor going forward, goodbye too. Yep I am enraged and have no sympathy with this woman at all. let her business die and her slink away in shame. Plus Hitler not evil?! Jesus Christ!! Over 6 million dead in concentration camps, plus over 50 million soldiers and civilians dead in WWII, but worth it because we learned something???? What the F*CK!!! That is not mental illness, it is a personality disorder that cannot be corrected. I really dislike the fact One of the few comments I am posting for a podcast I enjoy(the love for us with mature skin❤❤❤) and respect is so angry. I do appreciate bringing this to our attention so I can tell everyone I know not to support “that” brand. Now back to watching the rest of the podcast!

[@beautifulandbothered]

❤‍🩹❤‍🩹❤‍🩹

[@maryeckel9682]

My very strong-willed, stubborn, just plain small and mighty best friend died of lung cancer. Ms. Scentbird can go visit the cosmos and stay lost.

[@HelenM-sy7gj]

@@maryeckel9682 So sorry for your loss. Sadly I do get the pain, having experienced it way too many times sadly.

[@alenadanielsson5153]

So sorry for what is happening to your Mother! Hopefully she'll battle this awfull sickness. ❤

[@HelenM-sy7gj]

Thank you for your kind words. Fortunately it has been caught early as well as a stage 2 melanoma. Her prognosis looks good. But based on our family experiences, we are very cautious even when hopeful. @@alenadanielsson5153

[@lotsamoxie]

Johnny & Kevin, I adore you both. I’m personally grateful to you for the many ways you’ve enhanced my life. I want you to have all the success (including financial) that you 2 kind, talented beauties so richly deserve. That’s one reason I use some of my tight budget, to be a Patreon subscriber. I don’t regret it for a minute. Wishing for some reliable sponsors who appreciate you and will reward you financially with the large amounts you truly deserve. 💋💖

[@beautifulandbothered]

Thank you so much. We love you ❤‍🩹

[@pragyasingh2297]

Appreciate you so much for always saying it like it is. Idk if it’s just the creators I’ve been watching but the Scentbird sponsorships have been at an all time high recently and every time I just have to skip past it because it makes me angry. I’ve always heard canceling the membership is SO beyond challenging (so it’s always given me scam energy, sorry) and now the owner has the audacity to act like that?? Like as if having money and influence puts you above having morals (and the creators that made you can definitely cancel you just as easily).

[@jessicacolgrave4082]

Whenever anyone asks “am I crazy or do you see this?” I get a flash of Will Ferrell in Zoolander “ITS THE SAME LOOK!!! I FEEL LIKE IM ON CRAZY PILLS!!!” 😂

[@Kaitlyn_in_NJ]

As someone who was subjected to seeing the leaked James Charles video on Twitter this week 🤮 , this video is incredibly timely. I had no idea about scentbird, but now I get why my friend said she was burning her coupon code to try it. I love you both!!!

[@frizzlebean]

yesssssssssss i've been keeping my eye on youtube to see when this would be uploaded! time to sittttttt and learn

[@beautifulandbothered]

Enjoy mama!

[@Purrsephone19]

I bought the Tati palette and I'm so excited for a new version. I don't watch her every day, but I definitely watch some of her makeup reviews and she's been really good with me. I took a break when she started talking a lot of God, but she's back in the swing of things, for the most part. So yeah, I care about her new makeup. Not her vitamins or other stuff, but damn Tati knows makeup.

[@NeoStar]

Pairing the pod with a coffee and gluten-free granola before work. Happy Monday everyone.

[@beautifulandbothered]

Cheers!

[@BethaneyLilly]

God I loved this. The chatty gossipy episodes are my FAVs, y’all have such amazing rapport.

[@AmberCantrell]

Personally, I had just started using Sunbird. I was only like three or four months in and as soon as all that stuff came out, I canceled.

[@blendofdays]

Can I just say, I had hyperemesis with my first of five pregnancies & it was horrifying. Not only was I physically ill the entire time, but I lost THIRTY POUNDS during the pregnancy AND had to go to the hospital 3x a week to be hooked up to monitors to make sure the baby was ok! I could not eat, I was constantly nauseous, constantly dizzy, constantly exhausted. It was so bad I swore I'd never have more. Cut to 7 yrs later... & with my second I was so scared I'd have it again. Thankfully I did not, but I did have morning sickness the first three & last three mos. 😭 For anyone to accuse people who are trying to conceive/carry human life that they are CHOOSING to end it? I'm gagged rn. Wow. 🤦‍♂️

[@beautifulandbothered]

Ugh so sorry to you ❤‍🩹

[@alliauyeung3004]

Love your conversations! I think a lot of successful people are awful people bc they get to where they are due to coming from a background of privilege and power. And growing up in that power without the same struggles and experiences like us poor plebs mostly makes a person insane. Elon didn’t come up with any ideas, he just comes from generational wealth and bought or stole other people’s things. They’ve never had to learn to be decent people and have empathy for others. What blows my mind is when people come from the regular world and are ambitious and then become insane when they get enough money and power. Jlo is great example. Ben Carson is another…

[@saraputney1156]

I just had my baby at 34 weeks and she’s in the nicu due to hyperemesis and pre eclampsia it has been a roller coaster but watching and re watching your podcasts has helped me through it

[@Rachael-d9i]

I have miscarried and I have had a baby boy born who died at 4 months old. I can tell you with my WHOLE ENTIRE SOUL I would've given anything for it not to happen. The hurt you feel is unmeasurable.

[@JillBree16]

Kevin @ 58:09 “do you care” KILLED me 🤣🤣🤣

[@elisa-beary]

I watch a lot of anti MLM content & it’s exactly like that. Those creators use FACTS & stats from the ftc, ppl who have left & the company itself & the MLM Huns will make snarky response videos not refuting the actual things the creators said but rather calling them haters, jealous, saying they have a broke mindset, using all the logical fallacies under the sun. It’s sad for the ppl who are at the bottom or just got recruited but the ppl at the top know. They shouldn’t be legal but same thing- you can’t have a logical conversation with them in good faith 99% of the time.

[@punchymcgee]

I absolutely agree with what you’re saying about James Charles but I’m so sick of people lumping all of gen z into the issue because in no way is it just gen z

[@beautifulandbothered]

this!

[@LydiaReneeDarling]

Yaaas here I am at 8 pm UK time with my under eye masks and a smoothie here for this tea! ☕️ 🫖 💅🏽

[@beautifulandbothered]

Sweet dreams love!

[@melissayoung7451]

I sense a part 2. I’m glad I don’t watch some of these creators! I agree everyone seems to be increasingly self-centered. And no one knows how to have a discussion or allow different opinions. And if people with cancer or hyperemesis could cure themselves, they would. Whew! Love you both!

[@sarahrose2984]

Tati was ahead of the time with her palette, I still have some FOMO about it. That color story and variety of finishes? Very demure, very mindful✨

[@bohobellenails]

As a woman who miscarried my very first pregnancy that’s completely unbelievable and hurtful. I have friends who have struggled with repeat miscarriages and infertility and watching them go through breaks my heart. I just can’t believe a someone, none the less a woman, would say something like the Scentbird woman said. Unacceptable, heading to cancel my subscription right now… I’m sure another company does something similar.

[@leightyberg4631]

And canceled my scentbird. Not giving money to that. 😬 thanks for the info!

[@beautifulandbothered]

😇

[@Goth_Fox202]

As a gen z person who has no love for James Charles, I also don’t know what is happening but I do know it’s also the gen alpha kids who don’t really know what’s happened that support him. He capitalizes off people who don’t know better. I think your content is a breath of fresh air to this world

[@beautifulandbothered]

Thank you mama

[@Goth_Fox202]

@@beautifulandbothered love you gorge!💛

[@pennylanewildflower4471]

One of the most thought provoking REAL chats on a makeup and beauty platform! LOVE YOU BOTH

[@mariamvardzelashvili817]

You guys are the best! 🎉 there's no Sunday for me without you anymore

[@beautifulandbothered]

Love you!

[@mariamvardzelashvili817]

So many great points in this video. As a freelance classical musician myself, I see a lot of similarities between our fields. I was once told by a very welathy lawer that 'art becomes impure once its payed for'. Yeah, we have starve, so they can enjoy our 'integrity'​@beautifulandbothered

[@knitntherapist7520]

A Greatest Hits album is otherwise known as “contractual obligation”.😆 I’m having the very worst day, but getting up at 7pm to find a new Beautiful and Bothered? Made getting up so, so worthwhile. Much love from all of your Chronic Illness Girlies❤❤❤

[@maryeckel9682]

Did you have a big weather change? We had one here and it's been brutal.

[@beautifulandbothered]

Sending you good energy!

[@dawntigga]

Hi Casey. Love a Casey moment.

[@kellygreengables3936]

Edit: Thank you both for speaking on issues like the p3do behavior, r@cism, discrimination, etc. and how important it is to acknowledge the severity of these in the grand scheme of things. Enjoying this more gossip-y style of video. (And once again asking for another drag focused episode please). Love the episode!

[@1015SaturdayNight]

NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT SCENTBIRD! How is this so under the radar? Everyone is still doing sponsorships 😬😭😭😭 and YASSS the Covergirl lipsticks are GREAT

[@maryeckel9682]

The antiMLM community has come for her because of the cult connection.

[@chris13x]

One of the best episodes 😂😂 "Do you care?" Lmfao!!!

[@meghandorsey2312]

This is belated, but I remember Kevin saying that he went to the ER because of a lip plumping product- same! I ordered a new food at a restaurant on the same day I tried out the Nyx duck lips gloss. After taking a few bites my mouth immediately went numb and the numbness started traveling to my tongue & throat. I went to the ER and to this day we have no idea if I’m allergic to peppers or if that gloss just traveled when eating. I’m not risking it either way, but hey you’re not alone!

[@-TotallySaneCatLady-]

Good grief - my DIL had the condition where she vomited every single day during her pregnancies. It was awful and I begged her to have no more children because it was so scary. The business of praying terminal or serious illnesses away is sad. They pray their way into the grave. Shame on Scentbird

[@polinaanderson1528]

I absolutely love this podcast. You guys are real, and talk about relevant issues. Thank you for bringing up what happened during the Olympics. It was so disgraceful that this rapist got to participate and no one on the comittie objected, and people like Imane Khelif were prosecuted and ridiculed because certain societal groups felt intimidated by a woman who could defend her self. You guys are the best and starting my week with this podcast always makes it brighter.

[@monicareno4088]

Johnny you now have me hearing Sally Fields in Mrs. Doubtfire saying “What do you mean?!What do you mean?!!” as you’re talking about filming the short for Fenty. You started me picturing that scene from that movie when you were quoting it a while back. Now I can’t unhear it. 😂😂

[@so_hip_]

Tati lost me when she went on her God/faith ramblings because she claimed her struggles with her God was due to her opening her life to other forms of spirituality while she was dealing with other influencers??? And made patronizing comments about people who like crystals?? Lol???. I threw out her palette, unsubscribed and moved on. When she came back, it was about 3-4 months in, its there.

[@ray-te1ik]

I would love to see a tv show do their military torture scene with loud noises to prevent sleep but just with the bit “tell the truth! This is a women’s world” from Cher😂