James Orr | Faith, Family, Flag, Freedom | NatCon UK

[@gandydancerfilms6272]

Very finely articulated, thank you.

[@aelianbeeleaf]

Faith, family, flag, freedom; forevermore, forever Orr's awe! Great speech!!!! I would definitely vote conservative if this was the foundation and quality of its leaders and effects! Bravo, filled with hope; its a lovely feeling I had been longing for, congratulations and gratitude 🕊️🙏🙌

[@CCDR07]

Honestly, I've just watched the first 3 minutes and can't believe the levels of BS, wool spinning, smoke screening, and divisiveness fit into such a short period of time. 1. What "new" elite is he talking about? Those with entrenched wealth/power have been calling the major shots around these parts for about the past 10 000 years give or take. 2. His crude attempt to imply that unless you are a national conservative you somehow don't value faith (unspecified), family, or flag. 3. He then completely avoids describing what notion of freedom he is talking about as he spiffles about "progressive minds" prioritising freedom (whatever it is), and conservatives prioritizing protecting freedom (whatever it is). 4. He then continues on to say freedom without constraint turns into transgression and tyranny. The tyranny of the minority over the majority... So does he mean that he wants to tax the S__t out of the top 1% of rich people and plough it into public services and infrastructure to prevent them from oppressing and exploiting us or what? That would be a useful constraint on tyranny in this country. I doubt that's what he means though, my bet is that he's is going to start in at some point on divisive, distracting, and immaterial identity politics, and make out that culture warriors are forcing their values on us and that's why it's getting harder to live securely, meaningfully, and contentedly. So nothing to do with equitable access to healthcare, justice, healthy environments and food, safe work places, etc., which are all declining directly because of government policy favouring corrupt privatization? Anyway, he doesn't say, because he then jumps to the necessity of faith in constraining tyranny (I don't think that stopped any of the major hierarchical religions from accumulating wealth/power and inflicting war, suffering, and hunger when they had a mind to). I'd argue that much of the oppression and exploitation enacted in Britain over the last 500 years was explicitly tied to the institutional structures of faith. We saw that just the other week during the coronation where echoes of the divine appointment of the monarch could be clearly heard, even as a lot of parliamentarians had to die first to get to where we are today. It also took a few hundred years of collusion with slave-plantation agriculture and colonialism before the church officially got behind abolishing slavery (Christians of various persuasions are still keen on colonialism though). 4. Then on to family where he implies that without family, people are defenceless against or dependent on the nation-state (what about being dependent on or defeneless against corporate institutions?) Yes, good family relationships provide strong emotional, economic, and physical support for people, but bad family relationships do the opposite. In addition, there are many other supportive relationships and institutions that humans can form with each other that have nothing to do with blood ties and what is called the "traditional family". In fact, the traditional nuclear family as it exists now is fairly unique in terms of its relative isolation from the rest of society when considering the span of human history, and likely is directly related to the continual loss of autonomy that individuals have experienced over time as we become further embedded and dependent on a socio-economic system increasingly being subverted to serve the interests of hierarchies of entrenched wealth/power, rather than the interests of citizens in society at large... 5. Lastly, he ominously talks about spooky forces that divide a country against itself in the absence of patriotism and the flag. Again, I don't think he's referring to oligarchs levering the media, lobbyists, and the revolving door between government and corporate office to manufacture dissent and divide people along emotional and immaterial culture war lines (and thus obscuring our material class interests with which we could politically unite together, and where the real political battles have to be fought).

[@lucialindeboom1382]

Thank you James Orr in mentioning Hongkongers holding British flags in our protests, but not just Grandma Alexandra Wong held the Britain 🇬🇧 flag day in day out, it was also above all the young people who held our 🇬🇧 in the legislative council chamber that very day of storming. Be very proud of all your Britishness and our flag 🇬🇧, never let it go!

[@anonymoussteve4509]

“Freedom without constraint turns to transgression”

[@CCDR07]

Yeah, so let's tax the S__t out of the 1% and put the money into public services to curb their transgressions and tyranny of the masses.

[@reginaldmolehurst459]

Transgression sets you free.

[@spanglestein66]

National conservatives …..finally a party I can get behind 🇬🇧🙏🏻❤️👍🏻

[@nathanngumi8467]

A great speech!

[@yadidlechem2357]

Without faith there can be no conservatism

[@livetwice7702]

Can I speak the unspeakable ……why is it unspeakable to say if you are an immigrant to our country , come by all means but you must embrace our National Culture……they come because no one speaks to them about our values , they are allowed their dress , their religion ,but also the worst practices in their societies to be brought into our country …….A Nigerian woman on the Radio who was shocked when told FGM wasn’t allowed in our country . 4 marriages under Sharia law , and the 4th wife cast out wanted English law to represent her ! Somali tribal retribution using knives to settle disputes ……Colombian drug cartels in London ……I could go on and on ……The Rotherham grooming of white young girls by Pakistani Muslims …..the bending of the laws of consanguinity to accommodate Muslims …….until the Conservatives have the backbone to say it out loud , we the people …..and I’m talking about us people living at the sharp end of all this ……try walking through Wythenshaw with …..this is a Sharia only area plastered on the lampposts ….have no confidence in you as a party . In a nutshell we want our country back please . It was given away without our consent .

[@kingofmaglos3]

Excellent speech! We will loose freedom if we forget that it depends upon faith, family and flag

[@nioengland]

The union jack is the flag of legends.. Let the fools fight to prove that wrong 🦁 🌍

[@samoharachilds]

This guy seems like a Gondorian statesman out of time

[@nightwingtrp7399]

"we have a Prime Minister who is embracing some of the blessings of brexit" ya whut? I'll have a pint of what he's drinking!

[@Mark_Dyer1]

I belong to a sexual minority (homosexual men) who were once treated by the Church and Government in exactly the same way that all of those who practise the Islamic faith, who are being imported by Church and Government (could this be coincidental?) would like to treat us today. And - at the age of seventy-one, and having shared life with a gentle atheist for forty years - this particular Christian does not think we are, yet, in a "safe space" (good Communist phrase) all the while the 'religious' are dictating terms: whether Christian or Muslim FUNDAMENTALISTS. And, when it comes to BREXIT, you cannot resist the lure of that fabulous, mythical, Conservative 'loyalty', Mr Orr. Not one British PM since that 2016 vote has been FOR BREXIT, and that vote! They have all been tools of the EU & WEF; tasked with evading the implementation of that vote. Until the Tories realise that, and confess their "manifold sins and wickednesses", they are NEVER going to be returned to power in this Country, again. BREXIT and COVID have seen to that. The Conservative & Unionst Party has been exposed as a Party of TRAITORS.

[@beerejj]

Or as they used to say Kinder, Küche, Kirche

[@MiloMay]

Kids, kitchen, church?

[@gsnmeyer]

You would think that the NatCs would know its called the Union Flag

[@91722854]

Faith, Family, Flag, Freedom, find the word in those 4 words that doesn't fit well, oh yes, I know! Freedom!

[@chrishewitson7135]

France has a much better settlement. The state guarantees freedom to believe or not believe for everyone but itself does not support any religion or religious organisation. .

[@kingofmaglos3]

This is not the case. France is notoriously hostile to religious believers and famously beheaded many of them just look at the Martyrs of Compiègne for example.

[@chrishewitson7135]

@@kingofmaglos3 that was 230 years ago in the midst of the ‘Terror’.

[@kingofmaglos3]

@@chrishewitson7135 agreed and thankfully it's a lot less violent now. That said the reason they don't need to be is because they violently removed religion from all parts of public life. The issue is this is actually just the government forcing their views on what religion is on religious people. Religions of any kind are entire world views and as such cannot be relegated to the purely private sphere. Ironically it's a particular religious view that says that religion cannot be part of the public world

[@Madoldcatlady]

@@kingofmaglos3 honestly.., when was the last time you were in France? Islam is the fastest growing religion here n France, just as it is elsewhere. If the French were really that intolerant to religious freedom, then we wouldn’t have the problem we do with self imposed Islamic segregation, Islamic anti-France, anti-western fundamentalist preaching in mosques and madrasah. And we wouldn’t have a media, government and education system who were petrified of actually standing up to this frightening extremism threat within our country, for fear of violent retribution.

[@nahumhabte6210]

if you like beheading of priest then i yes, and strict anti religious sentiment from the state

[@JimmyMFP]

Freedom is a product of a system, not a fundamental Human Right; the freedom under the ECHR relates to thought, not action. Unfortunately, our system seems to have inadvertently blurred the lines between the two, and so Western people have become spoilt and forget that the way of life that they rage against, is the very foundation their way of life is built upon.

[@banjojambo2219]

God, guns and trump….why not go the whole way

[@PRASANTHTHOMAS-hx3nh]

If Trump is the foundation of your ideology, I don't think it is gonna go too far

[@CCDR07]

I came here for an argument (and haven't got one yet). Honestly, I've just watched the first 3 minutes and can't believe the levels of BS, wool spinning, smoke screening, and divisiveness fit into such a short period of time. 5 main points: 1. What "new" elite is he talking about? Those with entrenched wealth/power have been calling the major shots around these parts for about the past 10 000 years give or take. 2. His crude attempt to imply that unless you are a national conservative you somehow don't value faith (unspecified), family, or flag. 3. He then completely avoids describing what notion of freedom he is talking about as he spiffles about "progressive minds" prioritising freedom (whatever it is), and conservatives prioritizing protecting freedom (whatever it is). 4. He then continues on to says freedom without constraint turns into transgression and tyranny and references the tyranny of the minority over the majority... So does he mean that he wants to tax the S__t out of the top 1% of rich people and plough it into public services and infrastructure to prevent them from oppressing and exploiting us or what? That would be a useful constraint on tyranny in this country. I doubt that's what he means though, my bet is that he's is going to start in at some point on divisive, distracting, and immaterial identity politics, and make out that culture warriors are forcing their values on us and that's why it's getting harder to live securely, meaningfully, and contentedly. Anyway, he doesn't say, because he then jumps to the necessity of faith in constraining tyranny (I don't think that stopped any of the major hierarchical religions from accumulating wealth/power and inflicting war, suffering, and hunger when they had a mind to). I'd argue that much of the oppression and exploitation enacted in Britain over the last 500 years was explicitly tied to the institutional structures of faith. We saw that earlier during the coronation where echoes of the divine appointment of the monarch could be clearly heard. Even so a lot of parliamentarians had to die first to get to where we are today away from a king/dictator. It also took a few hundred years of collusion with slave-plantation agriculture and colonialism before the church officially got behind abolishing slavery (Christians are still keen on colonialism though). 4. Then on to family where he implies that without family, people are defenceless against or dependent on the nation-state. Yes, good family relationships provide strong emotional, economical, and physical support for people, but bad family relationships do the opposite. In addition, there are many other supportive relationships and institutions that humans can form with each other that have nothing to do with blood ties and what is now called the "traditional family". In fact, the traditional nuclear family as it exists now is fairly unique in terms of the span of human history, and likely contributes much to the continual loss of autonomy that individuals have experienced over time as we become further embedded and dependent on an economic system that is increasingly manipulated to serve the interests of hierarchies of entrenched wealth/power, and not the well-being of citizens... 5. Lastly, he ominously talks about spooky forces that divide a country against itself in the absence of patriotism and the flag. Again, I don't think he's referring to oligarchs levering the media and our political institutions to manufacture dissent and divide people along emotional and immaterial culture war lines (and thus obscuring our material class interests with which we could politically unite together, and where the real political battle has to be fought).

[@MichaelPetek]

Which European Convention rights would you discard, and which would you retain? And would you like to live in a country in which these rights are denied?

[@lotus7eater]

Immigration will replace us. We have to stop it. The Govt's overriding duty is to the people.

[@Madoldcatlady]

We had all those rights, a very long time before that UN declaration. It is how that declaration is being interpreted and used today to advance neo-Marxism that’s the problem. If we break with EU laws on this, it doesn’t mean we’d not respect human rights. We’ve never needed another country or entity to tell us what to do before and we don’t need it now. If anything, the UN, the EU and co. are the real threat to some of our basic freedoms, such as freedom of thought, expression and speech.

[@MacKenziePoet]

PROBLEM - Anglicanism is a rejection of Christianity.

[@vatsmith8759]

We need evidence-based politics, not faith-based. Faith is what you use when you don't have the evidence to back up your beliefs.