What Did the Apostle Paul Really Think About Peter and James the Brother of Jesus?

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@gpwil3847 Жыл бұрын

Dr Tabor I am so glad that I came across you. You have become my guide to the history of my faith and to a better understanding of the scripture. Your life’s work, your scholarship, you are an amazing teacher. Thanks.

@theguyver4934 Жыл бұрын

Just like biblical and historical evidence proves that jesus and his apostles were vegatarians biblical and historical evidence also proves that the trinity, atonement, original sin and hell are very late misinterpretations and are not supported by the early creed hence its not a part of Christianity I pray that Allah swt revives Christianity both inside and out preserves and protects it and makes its massage be witnessed by all people but at the right moment, place and time The secred text of the Bible says ye shall know them by their fruits So too that I say to my christian brothers and sisters be fruitful and multiply Best regards from a Muslim ( line of ismail )

@xxxs8309 Жыл бұрын

I think it's clear that Peter and James never saw Christianity as a new religion separate from Judaism and hence were hesitant to bring gentiles in

@theguyver4934 Жыл бұрын

@mickeydecurious Жыл бұрын

@@theguyver4934 There is no originals send so therefore nobody named Jesus had to be crucified to cover sins... If you read the Hebrew Bible you realize that Jesus isn't there, and that God wouldn't hold innocent accountable for the guilty... Father said so himself and if you believe that a man was murdered for your sins that you are calling father God a liar!

@johnkumah3095 2 ай бұрын

@@mickeydecurious Nobody believes a man was murdered for the sins of anybody. And yes Jesus was there in Hebrew scriptures. Prophecied in Psalms, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Micah, Zechariah, Daniel, Malachi etc

@mickeydecurious 2 ай бұрын

@@johnkumah3095 Your first statement No One believes a man was murdered for everyone sins... Have you told the Christians this? Have you mentioned this to the Catholics and the Baptist? Because for some reason they truly believe a man was murdered for their sins... I've also read every book you've mentioned out of the Bible and have never seen Jesus in it, unless you twist turn and only remember half verses... But you believe whatever the hell you want to believe, she will anyway 🤷🏼 but until you know what guarantee perhaps you shouldn't spread your beliefs around 🤔

@johnkumah3095 2 ай бұрын

@@mickeydecurious The blood of Jesus which saves is not not of a Man. Because the very life or soul of Jesus is God. It was his humanity that died but what saves and forgives sins is his blood. Leviticus 17:11 [11]For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.’ Bible says it's only God who forgive Sins not humans.

@LordRoku- 2 жыл бұрын

thank you Dr. Tabor this is one of the issues that interests me to most about early Christianity

@tomrhodes1629 2 жыл бұрын

"The letter (written and spoken word) kills but Spirit (thought and meaning) gives life." GOD's prophet, the prophesied return of Elijah, speaks. Thus sayeth the LORD: "Truth is simple." Orthodox Christianity does NOT have the "good news" of Yeshua One with Christ ("Jesus Christ"), because it strayed far from His words and meaning, following Paul instead. Simply read the "words in red" - ignoring all other words - and you should be able to figure it out for yourself. Paul never states the TRUE "Gospel" (Good News) directly, though he gives hints he might have had a clue what it is. Did he? Why would he keep it secret if he knew? For, it is NOT "sacrifice for sin." Do YOU want to know what the Good News is? I've come to clarify. Click and ye shall find! (I don't receive KZbin comment notifications, but I'm easy to find.)

@youngknowledgeseeker 2 жыл бұрын

@@tomrhodes1629 the good news was the good news of the kingdom of God being at hand, and also the death burial and resurrection of Jesus and how that ties in to it. Paul 100% preached both things, it's beyond the shadow of a doubt. Far far beyond a shadow of a doubt

@janh461 8 ай бұрын

How difficult to understand that paul lied through whole of his gospel letters by speaking words of truth mixed with lies to strick the children of men into deception.

@shmataboro8634 2 жыл бұрын

From my study I get the sense that Paul is trying to walk on both sides of the creek. 🙄 He wants the reputation of observing Christ's teaching....but he wants to make up his own rules.

@serendipidy Жыл бұрын

Paul is a test. Who follows Yahusha Vs who follows Paul. Paul and Yahusha preach different gospels.

@ThetennisDr Жыл бұрын

@@serendipidy Peter an apostle for the Jew

@elielsolis 9 ай бұрын

I believe Paul was dealing with a lot of guilt and things he did in the past. That’s why he made up all this things about Jesus and the blood, Justifications etc. You read the gospels everything makes sense, than you read the letter of Paul and you get in to a big mess of confusion of doctrines. You end up with more questions than answers.

@rickcampanella4254 6 ай бұрын

@elielsolis learn how to rightly divide and dispensations. Peter was sent by Jesus to the Jews and Paul was sent by Jesus to the Gentiles. Before Jesus died He was Jewish and under law and works. After Jesus died we live now by grace. Saved by grace through faith. This stuff is simple but stupid rightly dividing and dispensation and you'll see how wrong JT is. He can't help it probably raised catholic or something. Two gospels old covenant new covenant. Jesus wasn't catholic and He never started a state run religion.

@elielsolis 6 ай бұрын

@@rickcampanella4254 growing up in church I ve met so many new born believers that are supposedly saved and still sick and depressed and filled with fear. I think Christianity have really misunderstood Jesus and his teachings. Modern Christianity is fake spirituality.

@derekc2042 2 жыл бұрын

Wow finally someone making sense of the confusion

@Shai-eg6ew 2 жыл бұрын

Je suis le premiere ici oui.. bonjour a tous et a toutes shalom.

@kenmcclellan 2 жыл бұрын

Love that poster on the wall of the Piscean Reversal. The Parousia is so close now.

@alexlarsen6413 2 жыл бұрын

The arrogance, the gall of Paul saying he did not learn anything about Jesus from anybody is truly remarkable. And furthermore saying the "super apostles" had nothing new to say to him or teach him. Just wow! His "revelation" of Jesus Christ came mostly from the followers of Christ he had persecuted for a large portion of his career, perhaps as long as an entire decade, or even longer...possibly up to 15 years. Now, I do believe he did have some psychological episode, either as an epiphany or something more clinical than that, brought on by guilt and the stress caused by persecuting innocent people, and again possibly by some additional mental pathology, but that was it. All of it. I am certain his "revelation" did not come from a dead person. And a guy like that is THE guy, the earliest and in all likelihood the most influential source of Christianity. A radical, extreme, mentally unstable, at least subconsciously dishonest (which nevertheless reveals his lack of capacity for self-reflection), at the very least incredibly egotistical if not narcissistic, religious zealot and a failed apocalyptic prophet. At any rate, when one goes back to the earliest source of this religion, everything about Christianity and its adherents throughout history, and everything about it today, becomes so much clearer.

@serendipidy Жыл бұрын

Bam. Exactly

@lakerstekkenn Жыл бұрын

You need to read Biblical commentary, because according to Christian scholars Paul persecuting Christians didn't happen.

@alexlarsen6413 Жыл бұрын

@@lakerstekkenn Christian scholars. I'm not interested in scholars who need to sign a testament of faith in order to get a teaching position. That being said, it is quite possible that Paul didn't in fact persecute christians. After all, the Acts are mostly mythology. But he would've been aware of the Christians for sure.

@javierrocabado8503 Жыл бұрын

@@alexlarsen6413The Paul and Peter posible never meet? I’m trying to figure out who this Peter is, is it is the apostol or is some other.

@alexlarsen6413 Жыл бұрын

@@javierrocabado8503 What do you mean? If it's something from the video it's been too long, I forgot about it.

@mrjlarsen 2 жыл бұрын

Exodus 12:49 numbers 16:15 one law for all

@serendipidy Жыл бұрын

Exactly. When the Israelites left Egypt, even some Egyptians left with them, and the law that was given on mount Sinai was for everyone. And Yah does not change . Paul spread his own gospel. It does not line up with Yahusha's words. Because of Paul, we have so many denominations.

@paulkeniston5699 9 ай бұрын

'Gal 1 and 2 are two of the most revealing and important chapters in the New Testament ' Very Remarkable insight . I especially liked the clarification that the revelation "of" Jesus Christ is indeed the revelation "from" Jesus Christ. James, you show how you recognize how mind of Christ reveals words of faith to His faithful....and that makes all the difference . Bravo. To my understanding , Galatians demonstrates the distinction between Christian Faith from Jewish Faith in ways that not even Peter nor Barnabas fully understood as Paul did( having received the revelation from Jesus as perhaps only a well trained "pharisee" as Paul was could fully grasp ).

@Dragonfly20233 5 ай бұрын

did Jesus reveal himself to anyone else the way Paul claims to have experienced him?

@paulkeniston5699 5 ай бұрын

@@Dragonfly20233 How about John in the Book of Revelation

@Dragonfly20233 5 ай бұрын

@@paulkeniston5699 Not a Rev scholar but I am pretty sure that the vision John had was of Jesus but from the Father at least according to the 1st chapter. I feel this is substantially different from claiming to see a spirit Christ who said he would not return until a specific time.

@paulkeniston5699 5 ай бұрын

@@Dragonfly20233 a "spirit" Christ? I don't believe Paul made that exact claim. I believe Paul is describing the Son of God who ascended into heaven and now sits at the Father's right hand.

@carlgrove8793 2 жыл бұрын

One thing is crystal clear from reading Paul's epistles. He was completely ignorant of any of Jesus's teachings. How can it be that he, on the basis of one dramatic experience, was able to push his notion of Jesus as God, etc., into first place and take precedence over people who had actually followed him during his period of teaching? I suspect because, as today, people don't want to understand difficult concepts through anecdotes, sayings, and demonstrations -- they want some concrete set of beliefs to follow. And Paul, the New Testament's David Icke, gave them what they wanted. The fact that his Epistles were included in the official New Testament, and the Gospel of Thomas -- a collection of the actual teachings of Christ -- was excluded, speaks volumes.

@shmataboro8634 2 жыл бұрын

Carl Grove....I suspect part of the secret of the success of Paul's Gospel is that is served the purposes of Rome in creating a more compliant and easily managed populace.

@dukegroovy5162 Жыл бұрын

Take the historical christ out of the equation and it all makes sense

@carlgrove8793 Жыл бұрын

My favourite story from that period is the Bishop who was accused of murder. His reply was, all right, I admit it, I have murdered people. And I'll do the same to anyone who gets in my way!

@carlgrove8793 Жыл бұрын

@@dukegroovy5162 I would say leave Christ in and take Paul out!

@pichiikeen7977 2 жыл бұрын

To the church of Ephesus John wrote: Revelation 2:5-7 "Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. 6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. 7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God." What do you believe these first works are that our Mashiach spoke to John about? I believe it speaks to living by the Torah. After all, we who are grafted in to Israel and those who are natural were to walk as our Mashiach walked. Additionally, the Law that was provided to Moses was given to Israel AND the foreigners that escaped with Israel! I believe we are all to learn the Torah and live by it, and that includes His Sabbaths, His Feast Days, and all of His commandments. The exception to the Laws that Moses was given is respecting the sacrificial laws as Yehowshowa fulfilled those laws by becoming the final sacrificial lamb. It is his blood that sanctifies us as no beast could ever wipe away our sins completely. He is the perfect Adam (man) that died in order that we may be freed and escape the bonds of sin!!! But, just as the Israelites needed to confess and make atonement for their sins daily, so do we! We must fight against the forces of evil and continually confess to Yehowa through our Mashiach, and turn (repent) from continuing to do those lawless acts. What are your thoughts Mr. Tabor?

@lukeyznaga7627 3 ай бұрын

What about what Jude said? What about Paul says in the end of 2 Timothy? why did they leave him? because his teaching was wrong.

@teresaveal7695 2 жыл бұрын

Very interesting conversation. I believe when you read the book of Esther, you will see Mordechai from the tribe of Benjamin is a picture of Apostle Paul who refused to bow but rather taught the grace of Jesus Christ.

@josephposenecker9741 2 жыл бұрын

I think mark was the 1st gospel written with insight/approval of the original 12 apostles. I think Luke comes later which is Paul/Luke’s expansion of the gospel. Then I think Mathew is written in response telling the same story as Luke but with all the corrections from the actual apostles view point. John is also written in response to Luke telling new stories that Paul/Luke didn’t know and a deeper meaning taught by Jesus. It also seems written directly towards Paul/Luke’s point of view. Acts through hebrews is written from Paul/Luke’s perspective. James through revelations is written from the original apostles point of view rebutting Paul’s ideas and again almost talking about him and his views directly without defaming him, as a good Christian would. 2 Peter is written a lot about Paul’s ideas and directly addresses him. Peter is the head of Jesus’ church. He knows Jesus told them to let the weeds grow up with wheat, that Jesus will sort them out later. Judas was amongst them and Jesus did not stop him. Peter knew to love his enemy. To forgive his enemy not 7 times but 70 times. The epistles of James, Peter, John and Jude are rebutting Paul in the most polite indirect way possible to be as truly Christian as possible the way Jesus himself taught us to be. It’s still an important lesson to have been learn in early Christianity and in all times. John speaks of antichrists, ones that could have full faith, but not true knowledge of Christ. Believing they had a direct line to god like Jesus did and knew his will better than others, even the apostles who walked with him. That being said Paul was the greatest evangelist of the time and brought many to at least believe in one god, Jesus his son and some of his teachings. Without Paul early Christian may not have survived. Now that it has it is time to rediscover the truth hidden in the texts and lost to time that Jesus brought us and started being passed down through the original twelve apostles. While my opinion is that Mathew, mark and john then James through revelations are true accounts passed down through the original 12 apostles and there for Jesus/God. They make more sense when related to Paul/Luke’s “scriptures”. So read the books again with the perspective/key that Paul was the evangelist but he didn’t get to know Jesus well so you can see where his ideas and stories don’t line up with Jesus’. The good thing is there is only one God, he is only good and he is only truth. So as misguided as we may become, we can always know him again it just takes work.

@lightoftheworld5455 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, Mathew and John were both with Jesus (ultimately a sign of the two witnesses), Not Luke not Paul and most likely mark(based off which gospel you read)

@WilliamsPinch 4 ай бұрын

Long paragraph, worth my time! I screenshot your comment, because this is the most logical explanation for the contradictory teachings. Thank you Joseph, God bless you brother!

@Robert_L_Peters 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@lukeyznaga7627 3 ай бұрын

I have listened to about 10 different videos by James Tabor. I switch my mind. It seems like there nothing special about the old Jesus movement. Without resurrection without Jesus being God, what makes Judaism and old Christianity any better than Hinduism, Native American beliefs, very ancient Egyptian beliefs? I mean, most scholars agree, that almost all the old test and the Jesus story New Testament doctrines come from Egypt and Mithraism and old beliefs from ancient Iraq and Manisem, Zoroastrianism.

@Tracysbrokenwing Жыл бұрын

Im going through this Paul series but i have to tell ya (please excuse my hillbilly speak), I watched mary (Magdalena) earlier and you were talking about how she was allowed to be in the inner most... and they(in my pea brain) (Magdalena and Jesus) didn't know each other for very long. And even if they weren't an item, she loved him. Young love! And then devastation happens. I screenshotted that picture of mary outside the tomb. So then the day goes on (today), and im listening to songs and i think it was james taylor? Chris cross?, not sure but Sang "whats forever for?" And i had an image. Just like you said in a movie. Played the capture of christ and the crucifiction and mary being there seeing her love die while that song played. I started CRYING! like gasping! I felt that deep in my soul and i blame you!!😂❤ oh, it took me by surprise and i aint like that!! I had to tell you and hope my hillbilly is legible. Thank you🤗

@donovanwint1277 2 жыл бұрын

Much thanks and Blessings Dr.Tabor, your way or method of communicating the different aspects of the Bible as its historical context reveals, is very fascinating and interesting to the people who have an interest in the subject.

@kevinrombouts3027 2 жыл бұрын

What a great conversation!

@David_Brinkerhoff93 2 жыл бұрын

"If I lie for the glory of God, why do you yet judge me a sinner?" (Rom. 3:7) "Being crafty, I caught you with guile." (2 Cor. 12:16) "I am all things to all men." (1 Cor. 9:22) ------- Truly, just the sort of pharisee I would expect Jesus to pick as his bestest best apostle that ever was. And he knows all the good Greek plays too! Dionysos: "I'd sacrifice to him rather than angrily kick against the pricks, a mortal against a god." (Bacchae, lime 795) Paul's Fake Jesus: "It is hard for thee to kick against the pricks." (Acts 9:5) Isn't it great that Jesus is a fan of Greek plays and likes to compare himself to the dying and rising Greek god Dionysus? Truly Paul's gospel is for all pagan peoples. Enjoy celebrating -Dionysus'- (I mean) Jesus' birthday this winter Solstice!

@Darisiabgal7573 2 жыл бұрын

Yep, there is that Paul too. But the problem is paul is not the level of liar that the author of 2 peter or 2 Timothy is. Paul exhibit the typical ethos f proselyites.

@pichiikeen7977 2 жыл бұрын

Bravo! Yes, I agree. Paul seems to have been quite narcissistic and would conform to the mentality of the people he was trying to reform. Much like the early Christian church in Rome that changed the calendar and the law of the Sabbath day. And then brought in the Queen of Heaven (Ashtoreth, Diana, Mary, etc) to ensure all pagan religions might be included. Personally, I believe Paul started out with the right heart, but was corrupted along the way. Which is why I do not dismiss all his writings, but I seek guidance from the Holy Spirit to help me understand. All Praise and Glory to Yehowa and His Son, Yehowshowa HaMashiach!!!

@youngknowledgeseeker 2 жыл бұрын

That verse in Romans 3 you have taken wildly out of context, just as second Peter predicted. But in your defense just like 2nd Peter says, whoever wrote it, Paul is legitimately confusing sometimes. However that's not an excuse to arrogantly and wantonly portray him incorrectly without even suggesting that you may be wrong! Romans 3 is 100% Paul in diatribe, pretending to speak for the entirety of the Jewish condition vs the Gentile. Hes saying "if we Jews were not faithful to God and yet he stil found a way to be glorify himself through it, to be faithful to his word through it why are we still judged sinners..." Literally one verse later in verse 8 he condemns those people! You think he was speaking about himself then condemning himself a verse later???? What? Sorry if I come off rude. I'm just passionate about Paul. I don't mind people not believing in him, but I do mind when they don't believe in him based on things he never said or thought. At least don't believe him for what he actually says. Keep in mind part of the context of Romans was most likely him trying to help facilitate understanding and good will among the Jewish Christians of Rome who just came back from expulsion and now find that Gentile Christians have taken over. He doesn't want either side to think they're better than the other. And he points out the flaws in both of them, and how they have each played a part in God's redemptive plan for humanity. kzbin.info/aero/PLPK-75GXTyC3TUrm69So2kNODca3nMXIH 1 Corinthians 9. I love Paul for this. All he's saying is that he's fine with adopting the customs of the people he's with. But he says straight out I'm not lawless, I'm under Jesus Law. So as long as I keep Jesus teaching, I'm free in all else. That's awesome and non prideful and intelligent evangelism. Case in point look at the church today, he succeeded in spreading the message faaar and powerfully. And in 2 Corinthians look at the whole chapter, it's Paul saying "when have u ever cheated you guys? When have I ever tried to make money off of you? Even Timothy who I sent to you never tried that? I love you guys, I'm responsible for you in Jesus, and I hope sinners repent before I come back so I don't grieve" I mean, I just hope you just one more time dedicate some prayer to this and study. Don't believe me. But re seek one more time.

@youngknowledgeseeker 2 жыл бұрын

@@pichiikeen7977 I am so sad to hear how many people throw Paul away based on misunderstandings. Something that 2nd Peter, whoever the author was, warns against! You think God accidentally let Paul be half the New Testament?? He's just hard to understand sometimes, not a liar or a fake or deceived??? Romans being probably by far his hardest letter. Please see "Biblical Unitarians" for a better understanding of Paul. kzbin.info/aero/PLPK-75GXTyC3TUrm69So2kNODca3nMXIH

@Darisiabgal7573 2 жыл бұрын

@@youngknowledgeseeker 2 Peter is obviously psuedoepigraphy and poor quality at that. I mean the fact the 2 Peter is denouncing those that seek to pervert the teachings is the irony or ironies. Learn to think of these text critically begore swallowing the koolaid. Paul is saying what he's doing and frankly he lied to Yacov, he is also trying to convert Jews as well as Gentiles and it is making the Jews fuming mad at him. In my opinion this did get back to Jerusalem and in 62 AD Yacov paid the price for Pauls lies. Having said that is what Paul's doing and saying apriori bad. The whole concept of greek philosophy is to take the facts and use the rhetorical tools to argue for one point, then take the same facts and tools and argue for the opposite. The fact that some people take this too seriously is a sign of immaturity. But as we know, when it comes to religion there are taboos, and dissecting the peity rules of Judaism and then seeking feed this back too Jews as an acceptable Judaism is a slap in the face. We have to get into what the peity rules are. They are not telling you how to fetch water out of a river or breath while you sleep. They are a set of instructions the followers believe will gather to the community good fortune if they are followed and demand sacrifice and extraordinary cleansing if they are not. IOW, teaching Jews to break piety rules is akin to wishing bad luck on all Jews, and is costly to the well being of Jews. More to the point if a person was anti-herodian (and i suspect 75% of Jews were), leading Jews to sin ultimately benefitted the Herodians since the sinner or his family would need to increase the sacrifice at the temple to compensate. That quarter of the gentiles was a big profit maker to Herodians and Romans. I know these beliefs are superstitions, but none the less you cannot be Jew and not be superstitous so . . . . Again, if we could get all 1st century greco romans to spontaneously give up all suoerstitious behaviors then of course Jewish peity rules woukd look stammeringly stupid. 2000 years later people are still following lots of superstitions and one set of superstitions they are following is Pauls. So arguing that its ok for Paul to get rid of some superstitions for christians but then add his own brand spanking new superstitions is just hypocrisy.

@fogsmart 7 күн бұрын

Just reading Paul and Jesus. There’s some bias toward a narrative supporting an agenda that is consistent with the books premise but for critical thinkers there so little completely objective literature we read what’s available. At least Tabor supports his summation with a very readable book for lay folk.

@ebm99 2 жыл бұрын

Right Division teachings explains it all. The 12 plus Jesus were ministers to the Jews, told not to go to the gentiles nor Samaritans, there were for the house of Israel only. Paul, on the other hand , had a commission to go to the Jews first and hack it all out with them, then with their diminishing, focus on gentiles, that's why his gospel was diff. Timothy worked with him, as well others like Silas and unnamed elders from Thessolonica, ministering to the Gentiles, but themselves are subjected to their own gospel ... salvation is of the Jews.

@Dragonfly20233 5 ай бұрын

If Peter wasn't told to go preach to the gentiles then why is the vision(dream) where God uses the clean and unclean food to teach peter not to separate himself from the Gentiles as well as peter immediately going to the house of the gentiles and having a meal with them and preaching Christ to them and witnessing the Holy Spirit come upon them?

@ebm99 5 ай бұрын

@@Dragonfly20233 There's even more realization now that the gentiles were jews that have not been 'truly' Jew per se but were non Judaism diaspora, except for some like the centurion who believed in the God of Abraham. Romans 11:25, 26 .. we got to read it again and again slowly judging from the context before these verses. Paul was tenured to teach these that they also had access by grace. The whole book is about them. We're supposed to be a by product in their believe.

@navagatingthroughthebeasts2908 Жыл бұрын

Very interesting 👍

@WolfFistProductions 2 жыл бұрын

Wow this has made my understanding of Paul so much better. God damn this is good stuff.

@eew8060 Жыл бұрын

Buy the book

@TheLookingOne 7 ай бұрын

The Saul/Paul character says, "To the Greeks, I am as a Greek. To the Jews, I am as a Jew." A strict interpretation of that means that the character (or the real person associated with the character) is not a Greek and is not a Jew. I think the real person was a Helenized Israelite faith healer from Samaria, by the name of Simon.

@MaryTruthSeeker 7 ай бұрын

24:03 you are under the law when you break it. Just like you are under the law when you get a speeding ticket. If you obey the law of liberty, then you are no longer under the penalty of the law.

@EJAY_Contat_Music 2 күн бұрын

That's just a tongue twist. Has little to no practical implication on life. Christ still emphasises to follow and obey the law, if he wanted to tongue twist it the way Paul did, he probably would've himself, to avoid interpretational division

@ChrisMusante 2 жыл бұрын

The Sabbath from God's perspective is the 'rest' between His (2) creation forces ('good' and 'evil', evil being 'unformed' or maybe... 'pre-good'). However, it is therefore okay to do 'good' on the Sabbath, because when nobody works, it is the Spirit of God (that is always present) that can then be made Holy by doing 'good'. This is worshipping God in and through the 'spirit'

@integrationalpolytheism 2 жыл бұрын

I'm reading the Pauline epistles now and one of the main questions I had was what order to read them in. Yours was one of the orders I considered, but Galatians is the only one that I really am not fitting into that early position. I find Steve Mason quite compelling, making the case that the seventeen years puts it far later, and also that the tone seems more desperate, suggesting a later Paul. Anyway, listening to this presentation it's bringing to my attention the difference in nuance and perspective it makes, to take Galatians as either early or late.

@sondaylife Жыл бұрын

Dr. Tabor, I've enjoyed listening to your videos and I'm reading Paul's Ascent to Paradise. I'd like to know who you think wrote 1 and 2 Timothy if not Paul. Thank you.

@TheLookingOne 7 ай бұрын

Dr. Tabor, What if the 'Dark Ages' of christianity didn't exist? What if the Galilean Jew who the creator of christianity associated with his christ character was Yeshu the Egyptian, who died in the late 40's. What if some Greek christians backdated their christ stories (which became canonical) 15-20 years in order to: claim primacy over other christian groups, remove their christ character from his rebel roots, and create a false history to mainstream Judaism?

@Dragonfly20233 5 ай бұрын

Out of curiosity...if the Torah doesn't eventually apply to the gentiles then why does James tell them to start observing the first 4 commands he gives about idols, blood, meat and sexual immorality and then states that they can go to any town, any synagogue to learn the Law of Moses?

@allenperrott6649 Ай бұрын

There is a peculiarity here... the author of Acts would have us believe that Paul was not against keeping the Torah by the little anecdote of Paul supporting the Nazarite vow made by others in James's community. However, when Paul appears in the Temple, Jews from Asia spill the beans on what Paul is really all about... when he is preaching the gospel he received from Jesus to the people of Asia, he teaches not only against the Law of Moses but against the Jews as a people and against the Temple as well. (this would mean that the gospel of the Way presented by Jesus to the people of Galilee also bypassed Judaism as the direction Yahweh was leading those decidedly obedient to his will). Our long-standing and deeply ingrained understanding of those "dark decades" is derived from the relatively late witness provided by the four gospels/Acts narrative that portrays a smooth continuum between the ministry of Jesus to the Jews and Peter and the rest of the apostles immediately after Jesus's death to the community in Jerusalem, now led by James, two decades later. The gospel presenting Jesus as the Jewish Messiah, it is now perceived, is the original gospel preached by Jesus. Further, whenever Paul comes along with his ministry to the gentiles, the author of Acts would have us believe that Paul's gospel was a secondary development to the original gospel of Christ. What happens when we do what Dr. Tabor suggests and divest ourselves of those latter narratives and focus on understanding the narrative presented by the earliest witness that is provided in the letters of Paul. For example, if we get rid of the Acts Council of Jerusalem, where James is giving his ok to Paul's new Torah-less gospel to the gentiles, and read Paul's account of the Jerusalem meeting with the supposed pillars f the faith in Jesus, different oder is implied. If the original move of Yahweh heralded by Jesus was not to the Jews, but to any and all who would take up the gospel of the Way, (the first followers of Jesus were called followers of the Way, thus bypassing Judaism) and if Paul received this gospel from Jesus and presented it to his communities in Asia, then this gospel would be the first and original gospel of Jesus. When Paul went up to Jerusalem in the late 40's, it would not be to seek approval for his "new" gospel, but to check out just what in God's name the original apostles of Jesus had done with Jesus's message. It is obvious that what he found was not impressive at all. Where the original gospel preached by Jesus, Peter and Stephen had incited lethal persecution among the Jews, he now found James, Peter (who is now clearly unfaithful to that original gospel of Jesus), John, and the rest of Jesus's brothers and the original apostles who supposedly walked with Jesus, living peacefully in Jerusalem, keeping the Law and participating in Temple worship, now supposedly, with a mission to the Circumcision. No wonder Paul was so dismissive of any authority this Jerusalem group under James may have warranted by being with Jesus when he was alive. They were not faithful to Jesus ... (they did not love the Lord) or to his gospel of the Way... they presented a different teaching with a different Jesus with a different spirit ( they perverted Jesus's authentic gospel of the Way). For these actions Paul twice cursed the Jerusalem faction to total destruction, once in Corinthians for not loving and being faithful witnesses to the person of Jesus and for the second time in Galatians, for not giving faithful witness to Jesus's gospel of the Sacred Way (or Holy Way... Isaiah 35:1-9). This perspective casts a different light on the fates of James, Peter, and the Christian communities in both Jerusalem and Rome (Nero's lethal and brutal anti-Christian rampage in 64, and the Roman destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE. This means that the gospel of Christ developed in Jerusalem under James's leadership, (the faith about Jsus), was not the gospel of Sacred Way presented by both Jesus and Paul (the faith of Jesus). This means that anything that might pertain to the gospel of Christ found in Paul's letters, was added later by Chrisrian authors subverting his authentic gospel of the Way. The four gospels/Acts provides a bogus witness to a gospel of Christ that, "...is no gospel at all, but rther a perversion of the original gospel of Jesus" in Yahweh's Sacred Way announced by Isaiah. Therefore, the persons of Jesus and Paul as given witness to in the four gospels/Acts narratives, really did not exist, just as some have deduced and claimed... now that the hoax has been uncovered and laid bare, now we can get to know the real Jesus and the real Paul and the authentic gospel they gave their lives to... the good news of the highway Yahweh created for those desiring to be obedient to is will, the gospel of the Sacred Way! Anyone doubting the skill of ancient authors needs to study this situation where both Jesus and Pul are rebranded to be supporters and preachers of the later and false gospel of Christ. When divesting ourselves of the influence of the four gospels/Acts narrative, a critical element is dropping the definitive paradigm of the gospel of Christ itself! 🙃 When this is accomplished, the peculiarities and puzzling discrepancies between the earliest witness of Paul and the latter witness of the rest of the New Testament ot the gospel of Christ melt away!🙂

@seamuscharles9028 2 жыл бұрын

In relation to the Sabbath Jesus said "who among you would not save an animal if it fell into a hole"

@suzybailey-koubti8342 2 жыл бұрын

My sweet mama used to say this to my grandmother when she would ask why one of us wasn’t in church on Sunday morning ❤ Mama would say, “Mama, I had an ox in the ditch this morning and had to get it out.”

@seamuscharles9028 2 жыл бұрын

@@suzybailey-koubti8342 I beginning to think Tabor is so buried in the wood he can't see the trees

@sanderossi8013 2 жыл бұрын

Dear James, a question probably asked a thousand times: when a gentile follows the teachings of Paul, is he then following Jesus’ teachings? Or is it rather one or the other?

@dukegroovy5162 Жыл бұрын

good question, christians have been following paul's teachings for thousands of years and not Jesus because they don't follow the Jewish Law

@edward1412 4 ай бұрын

@@dukegroovy5162 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️ Do you guys even understand what you read in the Bible or you just get on to the Paul hatred?

@truerealist757 2 жыл бұрын

I advance that the term, "my gospel" is a sarcastic one. It is a retort to those who were antagonistic to Paul as is demonstrated in Romans 1. Slanderous things were said of him as if he were inventing a new gospel. They were defaming him by saying he was no apostle of Christ and that he did not have part with those who witnessed the life and teachings of the Christ first hand. His claim was that if indeed it were so personal a gospel then it ought not to have power as that of the chiefest apostles. The power of God should not be so effectual with him, as a ]private interpretation' is really no gospel at all. But, if the word of God a-bounded due to his "lie"(my gospel) and the Gospel bore fruit through his abundance of revelation and hard labour(which was more than they all) then let it bev truly "my Gospel" indeed from here on for it fulfils the Will of God. Servants of God do not take pride in idle boasting....but if the spirit of God permits them "foolishly" to boast, it is to show the unreasonableness of thoughtless men who do not correctly examine the facts. Properly speaking, Paul ought to say the "Gospel of Christ" or the Gospel which "we preach" but since they exclude him, he glories, to their shame, in his exclusion for it does nothing against him for everything showed he was in no way behind the chiefest apostles. So that which is meant to cut him off becomes the means by which his authority and authenticity as an apostles is validated.

@youngknowledgeseeker 2 жыл бұрын

ILY

@kyan3265 2 жыл бұрын

Sir, what would you consider to be Paul's motive? Could it be possible he was an agent of the rabbis to separate the early Jewish Christian beliefs from Judaism as satirically described in Toledat Yeshu? He claims to be a disciple of Gamaliel, who seemed strategically passive toward James, Peter and the rest, yet he (Paul) persecuted them. (This could be reflective of the houses of Hillel and Shammai) Also the Ebionites and Naassenes who revered James didn't believe in the divinity of Jesus or his immaculate birth (Ebionites) and were ascetic (Naassenes...but perhaps homosexual as alluded by Hippolytus). The gnostic reverence of James would actually give a clue of James' own beliefs, and perhaps even Jesus'. And it always puzzled me how James got to be head of the church when not much was mentioned of him and his brothers in the Gospels, and even then, not in a favourable light. It seems possible one of them (James or Paul) was a con.

@David_Brinkerhoff93 2 жыл бұрын

Paul's gospel is proto-bolshevism. His Roman girlfriend refused him, so Paul dedicated his life to destroying the empire with his bastardized gospel.

@tomrhodes1629 2 жыл бұрын

@carlanderson2468 Жыл бұрын

I don't trust Paul, how come Jesus didn't tell everything he told Paul to the apostles. Instead of appearing to Paul he could have appeared to his apostles.

@robertwatley5249 5 ай бұрын

Or or he could have just told them during his Earthly Ministry. That seems like that would make a little more sense

@carlanderson2468 5 ай бұрын

@robertwatley5249 I doubt it because Paul's teachings conflicted with the apostles. Most of the letters of Paul are negatively about the apostles calling the super apostles, how he rebuked Peter to his face and so on, if only we had Peter's side of the story.

@johnkumah3095 2 ай бұрын

Paul's teachings is line with who and what the Messiah is according to the prophecies of the suffering servant in Isaiah, the righteous branch and the Lord our Righteousness in Jeremiah, the One like the Son of Man in Daniel, the lord messenger of the Covenant in Malachi. All these said the Messiah is a covenant meaning it's only through him that one becomes righteous. Paul being a Pharisee, and a student of Hebrew scriptures, he knew more who and what Christ is in their relationship with God than most Jews even dare say the disciples

@carlanderson2468 2 ай бұрын

@johnkumah3095 Paul and James had two different outlooks on FAITH & WORKS. Paul believed in faith alone without works, James being the brother of Yeshua (Jesus) believed in works to prove faith. I will say that my thoughts of Paul has changed, I do believe he was a man of God and follower of Yeshua, but 2000 years later, is it faith alone or works to prove faith???? 🙏

@johnkumah3095 2 ай бұрын

@@carlanderson2468 Paul believed in both but Paul emphasized that your Righteousness is not by your doing but by Christ. Paul also mentioned about forgiving your enemies, long suffering etc that's works. It's not your works that saves you but rather Christ himself. This is what Paul preached and per the prophecies about the Messiah he was spot on: Isaiah 53: Jeremiah 23:5 states emphatically the one who bestows Righteousness is the righteous servant and the righteous branch respectively, both talking about Christ. It was very important Paul did this because id he didn't emphasize it the work of Christ on the cross would've been wasted. Paul, being a student of the Law and Hebrew scriptures was privy to more information about who and what the Messiah meant in regards to the Law and their relationship with God, more than even the disciple. The disciples clearly couldn't fathom the magnitude of Christ death on the cross because they were not clearly versed in Hebrew scriptures as against Paul. Paul figured out that Christ being a covenant and the New Covenant as the one who'll bestow Righteousness unto Men just as Isaiah and Jeremiah prophecied. This is in the aftermath of God saying the Jews have broken his Sinai covenant and promised a New Covenant unlike the broken Sinai covenant in Jeremiah 31:31-32. The Law was the Terms and Conditions of the broken Sinai Covenant so why would God bring it back again? Especially, when he's says it'll be unlike the broken Sinai covenant? Paul clearly had most of his revelations from the Hebrew scriptures.

@J_Douglas 2 жыл бұрын

As a matter of fact didn't Moses live with the medianites and go up the mountain that contained "Their God"?

@HHasan-of2vi 2 жыл бұрын

Paul rejects both Mosaic laws and Gospel teaches by Jesus’s disciples James and Peter but want attestation of his Gospel from them.

@williamfigueroa4630 6 ай бұрын

The apostles were also human and learning even after Jesus Christ ascended. Paul and Barnabas argued, Paul rebuke Peter and remember that they daily needed the Holy Spirit to help them in their weakness.

@laurencebrill2020 4 ай бұрын

Yes, Paul did rebuke Peter to his face, in public, which goes against the proper biblical process. First one to one, then take another, etc. Paul broke that simple guide to make himself look good in front of everyone. And when you realise that Paul was actually in the wrong on the point he was claiming to rebuke Peter on, then it’s a full blown FAIL 💣💥

@michaelpusateri394 2 жыл бұрын

I believe in the days after Jesus' Resurrection, there was an attempt by some of the followers of Jesus, to seek an audience with the emperor. Eusabius mentions a pro-Christian attitute from Tiberius, if this historian is accurate.

@againsteveryoneswill1923 3 ай бұрын

I would hope the apostles would be making decisions based on what Jesus taught and demonstrated regarding pharisaic teaching and actions regarding the carrying out of the torah, no?

@dukegroovy5162 Жыл бұрын

These arguments between Paul and the apostles make no sense at all unless the historical jesus is taken out of the equation. Then they make perfect sense

@tongakhan230 2 жыл бұрын

This is similar to a Pharisee and a Sadducee trying to debate about the nature of Jesus. Matthew 13:11 In reply he said: “To YOU (Jesus' chosen ones) it is granted to understand the sacred secrets of the Kingdom of the heavens, but to THEM (The Religious leaders and scholars) it is not granted. All we hope to get are various opinions. Never the truth. Satan was trying to divide and conquer. Paul writes: (1 Corinthians 1:10) Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought. After Paul's and the other Apostles death, Satan took the Christian Congregation over as Jesus and Paul had foretold. Matthew 13:25,39. Acts 20:30.

@saltMagic 10 күн бұрын

Peter and the others basically said.. go on ahead the Gentiles are yours. "Remember.. they considered gentiles as dogs."

@brianspurlock-f8j Жыл бұрын

If you read paul's epistles, you'll see Titus was a major companion of paul. Why doesn't his name appear in Acts of Apostles?

@brianspurlock-f8j Жыл бұрын

Paul was born Roman citizen who had a pharisee father. Paul's sister would have been in the same situation. Could she have married a Greek man who was not a citizen without her father's approval? Common law (usus)?

@Kirkee7 2 жыл бұрын

If anyone wants to know the primary source of what Paul thought about those whom he considered a brothers ' in the faith' in Jesus Christ , go and read those letters and the gospel.

@tedgrant2 2 жыл бұрын

What did Paul think ? What do I think ? Well I'm not telling.

@banaraskhan2842 2 жыл бұрын

How can I get these books in Pakistan.

@theguyver4934 Жыл бұрын

@edward1412 4 ай бұрын

@@theguyver4934 Such nonsense!

@uncleambient 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you as always Dr Tabor

@ranilodicen4460 2 жыл бұрын

dr tabor is a god given gift to humanity

@theophilos0910 2 жыл бұрын

‘Pay no heed to those men walking around claiming to be ‘apostles’ or ‘Judaean-born’ but are nothing of the kind-for they are Liars & Deceivers of the Synagogue of Satan !’ (Apoc. Yohan. 2:9 / 3:9) These two verses sum-up the rift between the Diaspora-bas’d pro-Gentile, Greco-Messianic, anti-Torah Pauline yahadim (‘assemblies’) and the Jerusalem-bas’d James-the-Righteous strict Torah abiding (warlike ?) Messianic Evionim headquarter’d in Palestine - For Shaoul of Tarsus to claim ‘and I went up to Jerusalem by revelation alone’ we can interpret as ‘I was not summon’d to Jerusalem to explain myself to James like a naughty schoolboy about to be sent-down…’ where Paul’s fragile ego is clearly on the line - reflected in such’ phrases as ‘those so-call’d Pillars, Yakkov & Yohannon & Kefah’ or ‘not that I would put any value at all on human titles of honour’ or ‘and I confronted all of them right to their faces’ or ‘I tell you I myself, even I, am an Apostle to whom the Lord Iesous manifested himself…’ none of which apparently was very convincing to the Nazorean Torah abiding Jewish-Messianic Council of Elders in Jerusalem with the Daviddic blood-brother of Jesus running the show & basically dictating policy… Not that James would ever turn down ‘a gift’ of say, $50,000 cash which he would have interpreted as fulfillment of tritoIsaiah’s Zionist end of time fantasy (‘In that day you shall milk the blood of haGoyyim’ or the kind of Zionist economic vampirism we see reflected in the Apocalypse of Yohanon (whoever he was…) ‘and I looked, and behold, I saw : all the riches and all the wealth of the conquered gentile nations was flowing like a great river of gold into the centre of the Holy City’ (Rev 22:26ff = a Midrash on the Targum of Trito Isaiah 66:12 etc) - which is probably why James did not excommunicate Paul on the spot… Unfortunately for those persons ‘who wish to follow the teachings of Jesus’ the Torah abiding Nazorean Evionim of James was more-or-less wip’d out after the 1st Fail’d Jewish War Against Rome (66-74 CE) and all Christian’s have to-day (apart from a single artificially collected logia-like Jacobite Ebionite epistle in the current commonly accepted Greek NT canon) to use as a template (apart from the contradictory halakhot in the canonical Greek gospels) are fragmented remnants of Paul’s epistles which are nothing more than literary museum artifacts in terms of theological value for such persons studying early Christianity ‘to re-discover its Judaean Torah-observant roots’ to-day…

@historysmysteriesunveiled8043 2 жыл бұрын

The Messiah prophesied the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD, down to the details of the stones being thrown into the ocean later by Alexander the Great

@theophilos0910 2 жыл бұрын

@@historysmysteriesunveiled8043 -Alexander the Great died in India in June of 323 BCE -how could Alexander have anything to do with the Roman destruction of Jerusalem during the 1st Fail’d Jewish War Against Rome (66-74 CE) ? If R. Yehoshua bar Yosef the Galilean (c BCE 12-36 CE) made any predictions about the fall of Jerusalem (or the destruction of Kaphar-Nahum or Genesseret or other Galilean villages such as Khorazim etc) it would most likely have been a very generic pronouncement such as ‘if they don’t return to the Torah of Mosheh & the Testimony of the Prophets, a worse fate than Sodom awaits them…’ so I’m not sure of the point you’re trying to make here…do you even have one ?

@Shai-eg6ew 2 жыл бұрын

Well it was not palestine in the days of jesus and his followers it was palestine after the temple mount was destroyed and the inhabitants went throw a genocide , so as Rome was a colonialist empire so was Christianity , a cultural colonialism of the land , and when Mathew / Zephaniah said - the poor will inherit the land what is he talking about? ebionites in hebrew means the poor ones, so is he talking about a sect or about an economic statues? Cause they did say that jesus was the masiha , but that the laws of the tora must be kept as well, so they are all gone by now , the Church saw them as heretics , they disappeared from the face of the earth, still you can go to an ultra orthodox rabbi, he can be extremely rich but the appearance they project is as one that is poor . .for example, they can live in a tiny apartment , the walls are cracking , they live a christian monk life style and they are surrounded not just by a hundred offspring they might have but by a community they rule like a king would.they are Almost worshiped as gods. So go figure where it all started and when will it end

@theophilos0910 2 жыл бұрын

@@Shai-eg6ew actually Filistin / Palestine was referr’d to as such [Palaistine] the land between Phoenicia & Egypt which is part of the larger district of Syria’ as early as Herodotus c. 470 BCE and we do have inscriptions from Egyptian hieroglyphics as early as 1120 BCE referring to ‘Peleset’ as the same regions along the coast of what is to-day the area just north of Gaza…and Assyrian cuneiform inscriptions refer to the region as Palestu-so enough can be shewn that the name is ancient enough -although I was merely making a very broad geographical reference to Judea where Yakkov bar Yosef haTzaddiq seems to have reign’d ‘as Meqabber of the Camp at Yerushalayim from 36-62 CE, possibly with a reference to the book of Daniel chapter 12 which mentions ‘blessed is he who awaits the 1335 days’ [James’ reign as a Daviddic king could be symbolically seen as 1,335 weeks i.e. 25 1/2 years) … As for ‘the Evionim shall inherit the land of Yisroel in the last days’ which can be found in Psalm 37:11 [= Vulgate Psalm 36:11] and echoed in Matthew 5:5 as part of the so-call’d Sermon on the Mount (where Jesus is depicted by the final editor of that gospel as imparting the ‘new law’ to the ‘new Israel’ from, significantly, a mountain-top…) is an oblique reference to the Assyrian exile of the elite, priestly & metal-worker class (basically anyone who could foster a counter rebellion) of the 10 northern Yisroelitish tribelets (722-701 BCE whose population was ‘replaced’ by ‘good Ashur-worshipping obedient Assyrian citizens’, who never came back to Palestine) with ‘only the poorest of the land allow’d to remain to till the soil’ & the same process took place 150 years later (c. 601-586 BCE) in Judaea during the so-call’d Babylonian Exile of the same classes of people where only the poorest of the poor were allow’d to remain in place to till the land and run the port systems… So for post Exilic writers such as the author of Psalm 37 it must have seem’d as if the ‘evionim’ had a special place in YHWH’s heart to be able to remain in situ-the implication being that the ‘poor ones’ (ebionites, or what the Dead Sea scroll zadokites sometimes referred to themselves as…) which was a group associated with Jesus’ brother James the Just/Righteous and John the Baptist whose members apparently lived communistically with a shar’d common purse- possibly a Daviddic carryover from such old testament late Torah post-Exilic laws as ‘the King shall not multiply horses or wives’ that we see e.g. in Deuteronomy 17:16 etc. which might have restricted any wannabe Daviddic ruler from being ‘too wealthy above his peers’ etc. Clear as mud? Try to research your subject a little deeper before spouting off spurious assertions that have little or no basis in fact next time-if you would please…

@Shai-eg6ew 2 жыл бұрын

@@theophilos0910 I can not read that much. I am second level autistic person so they say, sorry. Philistines פלשתים. Is a biblical hebrew word it means invaders. So the bible is telling us where they came from. The island of kaftor, כפתור. That is probably . Crete. The Palestines were the worst enemies. Well or a very persistance one, they lived in the south shoreline of Israel today and in Gaza strip. That was the land they invaded according to the scripts. And the Romans renamed the land as well as the coty of jerusalem to alea capitolina. Or Google it, that is a cultural colonialism. They destroyed the land renamed it , called themselves the true Israel, they blamed the jews for killing jesus , they renamed the name of the empire to the holy Roman empire, they destroyed the temple , the word of god is from rome now etc etc.

@youngknowledgeseeker 2 жыл бұрын

People keep saying Paul didn't teach the gospel or taught a different one. How? His message was the kingdom of God was coming and the death Resurrection and exaltation of Jesus and how it played a part in it. That's exactly what Jesus preached per the gospels? Even Jesus modified or abrogated parts of Torah! New wineskins! I'm lord of the Sabbath! Don't priests and David break the law and are guiltless. Nothing that goes into your mouth defiles you. Sons of the kingdom are not under Temple tax. You have heard it said, but I say. Moses allowed, but I say. Not one stone of the Temple will be left, destroy this temple. How do you even have a law (Of Moses that is) without the temple??? Paul for the record was never lawless! He says I'm under the "law of Messiah". His concern was the Gentiles understand that they do not have to keep the law of Moses to be saved, AKA they don't have to become Jews. They just have to believe in and follow the teachings of Jesus. So when Jesus said nothing that goes into your mouth defiles you, Paul believed it. When Jesus said this is my blood poured out for the New Covenant, Paul believed it! A new covenant, a new Moses, literally Matthew tries to portray Jesus as a new Moses. Should we throw out Matthew too?

@johnstewart7025 2 жыл бұрын

Jesus isn't God in Paul. After Paul, John says Jesus is God.

@youngknowledgeseeker 2 жыл бұрын

@johnstewart7025 when ever ever ever did I even come close to saying Jesus is God??? No New Testament author even comes close to thinking Jesus is God. Not even John, not even once. Not even close.

@vegadog3053 2 жыл бұрын

Dr. Tabor, I am enjoying going through your work. I have already gone through the Jesus Dynasty and am currently in Paul and Jesus. I am having some questions though. My first is what is your explanation of Luke's story of Jesus at the temple when 12 years old, and Joseph was there? By then, Alpheus should have been married to Mary and already had several children for Jesus's brothers to be of age during His ministry. Are we to just brush it off as another attempt by Luke to minimize the family of James? But where is the tradition of this story coming from?

@heavenswindsong 2 жыл бұрын

From my own research, I see Paul as no different than Maricon, and there is much reason to wonder if Paul was a creation of Marcion... Marcion was a product of the mid 2nd century and opposed the Judaic traditions of Jesus, which makes no sense...further, his canon only consisted of a redacted form of Luke and 10 of Paul's letter, on of which, Galatians, supposedly discovered by Marcion himself...

@AmyWelchBrokeredByFathomRealty Жыл бұрын

Have you studied the preterist view

@tugatgalut 2 жыл бұрын

How many parables Jesus gave us? 50-60? He was bigger than Jesus. Shlomi the Messiah from Israel gave us more than 200 parables. My favorite is called 'The poor farmer and the precious wine' 😇🙏

@ThetennisDr Жыл бұрын

Peter an apostle for the Jew

@tugatgalut Жыл бұрын

@@ThetennisDr Just read the parable instead of posting lies...

@brotherandrew3393 2 жыл бұрын

No, Paul did not break up with the other apostles. That is far fetched. Paul respected them as co-workers. He obviously was sometimes misunderstood as Peter tells us because of his intellect. "Normal" people sometimes did not get what he was saying.

@ThetennisDr Жыл бұрын

Peter an apostle for the Jew

@lukeyznaga7627 3 ай бұрын

with all these problems, with all the confusion, isn't there a better spirituality or religion out there that is better organized, sincere and truthful to real gods, rather than all these inaccuracies? if the bible contains so much bull, then the old testt has a lot of troubling passages as well. why not forget all of it and just listen to teachers like Alan Watts and follow the Egyptian gods of old. I mean, they were BEFORE Judaism was even created. The older the gods are, are they not closer to the truth of the original messages the FIRST GODS were talking to us?? I think so. The fact that the "leaders" can mistakenly put together a Canon of old and new Test, to unbelievers and doubters, is ANOTHER EVIDENCE that the whole thing is horse bleep. Throw it away. Pursue and pray on your own to the real god and try to live a life of holiness. Maybe the New Testament and proverbs are just a guidebook but not true inspired scripture.

@richardmclaughlin8345 5 ай бұрын

Paul vs James is a false narrative. It assumes, incorrectly, that the Apostle Paul had been redeemed. from the Law when James wrote his epistle. Actually, the Crucifixion that would accomplish that redemption was still in the future. Both James and Paul talk about faith but from two drastically different perspectives. James from his day to day experiences with Jesus before the Crucifixion, and Paul, decades later, from his supernaturally derived lessons from the Ressurected Savior.

@ohfft 2 жыл бұрын

What were the true followers really called, surely they did not call themselves Christians, that was a greek derogatory name for them ! Neither did they refer to who they were following as Jesus, a Romam plagiarism of his proper name!

@notanemoprog 2 жыл бұрын

_The Way_ or in Greek *ἡ ὁδός* (Acts 24:14) probably coming from Isaiah 40:3, "prepare the way of the Lord."

@serendipidy Жыл бұрын

I think they were just called followers of Yahusha. The word Christianity is only found in the writings of fake apostle number 13 Paul.

@ohfft Жыл бұрын

@serendipidy well said, but I also doubt half the things that are claimed Paul wrote were even his writing either. The early church authorities burned or changed any early writings that didn't suit or fit their agenda!

@serendipidy Жыл бұрын

@@ohfft problem is the writings don't align with Yahusha's teachings. Maybe there is some nice guy named Paul somewhere and someone used his name. Sad thing is the writings were put into the Bible while the other books were taken out. Books like Jasher (who talk about Adrenochrome and the elite) or Jubilees or Enoch or the Apocrypha. No wonder they got "scholars" to discredit those books and hype up Paul. All part of the deception.

@ohfft Жыл бұрын

@serendipidy I agree with you 100% even the words and terms christi-anity has used proves this, so any decernihg person who has the ability to think for themselves can actually see it is a complete shame that christi-anity actually just follows the same paganism theological concepts of man god. In Genesis, it clearly states, "Now mankind has become like gods, to know good and evil." So it's no surprise that one of humanities goals as an arrogant nation is to try to reach heaven or eternal life of its own accord. As seen in the Babylon story, or in our modern times attempting to reach the stars, or the manipulation dna to change life or attempt to improve it, to unlock the puzzle of how life is designed, without ever even giving credit that A Higher Power has clearly designed life to run its own course as it was intended. This English term Christ christians use, actually means blessed, or from its root to shine, or stand out. Prophets who were holy (blessed from above) given a deeper insight into the way life should be lived, who had refound that true connection with Our Creator, by religning themselves with the greater truth of life, stood out or shined, so that everyone could see to follow them back onto life's straight path, but by diverting this concept completely and making one great untouchable man god. Giving him a false name that is disconnected from his true mission. Then, allowing demi, gods such as priests, bishops, and pastors to dictate what and how people should think about their connection with creation, this becomes the greatest disconnection from finding life's true value. No shining lights left to follow. Instead, media places fake examples of the sexiest girls that lead both men and women into a path of lust and vanity. Sports players become children's idols to look up to, aligning what they are selling with their identities, replacing higher morals for the fake names and images of Greek gods of long ago like Nike, or Adidas. Instead of taking the time to contemplate why life is what it is, humanity has been railroaded to chase manom the love of money, thinking of life in terms of resources, not considering for one second that The True Creator of our universe is actually stil behind everything, holding it in place for a special reason, one that allows those blessed chosen ones the time to come back to Him and also shine. Instead, Christi-anity using this fake shiny name has diverted people away from this, allowing these double contradictory fake manmade worlds to exist. Exactly what is referred to in the term Baal, setting up a fake altar, an alternate reality that humanity has been misplaced from its proper respect for the gift life. Humanity has no shine left, no true values, no higher purpose, it has become the great evil, that it was prophesied it would always end up as. When these evil sins developed fully. The great mythical monster, christi-anity and the other evil pagan principles our modern world is established on that dominate every aspect of human life and those greater life decisions being made by those dictating how life must now be, take us all down to Sheol.

@braderwin9620 Жыл бұрын

Jesus said that he came only to the lost sheep of Israel (the Jews). He told is disciples to stay out of the lands of the gentiles. Jesus was a Jew, and his message was about the Law. It would be a waste of time to minister to Gentiles, who knew nothing about the Law. Especially, since Jesus expected to return before his followers died. Paul's gospel was completely opposite from Jesus'. You cannot combine the two. This is why there are thousands of different Christian denominations that can't agree on what the Bible says.

@youngknowledgeseeker 5 ай бұрын

That verse is from Matthew, where at the end Jesus does say go to the Gentiles though? Why read Matthew 15:24 but then ignore Matthew 28:18-20?

@ThetennisDr Жыл бұрын

Peter an apostle for the Jew

@Joshua123N 2 жыл бұрын

1 Corinthians 1, the WHOLE CHAPTER explains everyrhing about the Wisdom (read foolishness) of this Serpent James Tabor, the whole chapter explains that Paul is not preaching another Gospel DESPITE his saying "My Gospel" in a few places like 2 Timothy 2:8, this ONE CHAPTER ALONE destroy ALL ATTEMPS by this serpent to CREATE CONFUSION and at the same time, sell more of his useless books, in short, he make fool of you when you pays him. The Bible is a SPIRITUAL BOOK and all you need to understand it is a spiritual guidance, nothing to do with science or logic. The devil uses logic to DIMINISH your spiritual POWERS so that you cannot move mountains, when you believe 1 + 1 = 2 and cannot be more or less than 2 then YOU CANNOT TRULY AND WHOLLY BELIEVE the parting of the Red sea nor the resuurection of Christ. See how the devil use all tools like this Serpent Tabor to DIMINISH your faith in thr Bible??? The ONE WAY to turn you away from the bible or SPIRITUALITY is LOGIC and logic is HUMAN UNDERSTANDING and not G-d's POWER!!!!

@ajsandoval2 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent video Dr. Tabor, very edifying. I don’t quite believe Paul was saying the end of the world was on the rise. I agree with how you first stated we are drawing near the end of the age as the former things of this world are passing away. I think Paul has Jesus in mind, about how not one "drop or tittle from the Law will pass away until all things come into completion” Paul is saying the wisdom of the old is drawing near to its end destination and the fullness of all these things will be completely in Christ. Example there be no more necessities on making pilgrimage to Jerusalem to get revelation of any sort of the things of God, but through the message of Christ Crucified and his life you will now see the fullness of the picture of what the calling and life of godliness will look like throughout every generation and future times, that Christ above all wisdoms will prevail and be everlasting, so the call is to unite and abide in that wisdom so you may as well become everlasting in legacy and in spiritual eternality. It’s like he’s saying don’t get stuck, but allow Christ to abound in all things cultures, societies and lives. I personally believe Paul use that term marriage in a paradoxical way of wisdom union and human union and not limited to other. To expound on wisdom union it’s to be married to one particular aspect of the greater message of the topic. Example how we have many denominations today, is an example of many getting married to particular doctrines in scripture that are only aspects to the greater message, which they unify themselves to instead of allowing Christ to abound more and freely.

@pizmikhayahu2812 10 ай бұрын

James was a brother of Jesus as messiah ?!

@lukeyznaga7627 3 ай бұрын

the Galatians story doesn't even match with the story of Acts , where he met the leaders in Jerusalem. I don't care if Paul spent two weeks with Peter. LOOK at how the speaks about and treats the main apostles and Peter and James. A bit disrespectful and arrogant about how his experience and his Gospel is more important and good than what the original apostles had and taught. They were chosen by Jesus. Paul needs to accept their teachings over Paul's "vision".

@saidzouhri8524 Жыл бұрын

James brother of jesus was the head of synagogue not a church

@michaelsmith9453 2 жыл бұрын

Noahide laws were developed hundreds of years AFTER the Jerusalem Council in Acts 15. Acts 15:21 shows that the Gentiles would go to the Synagogue on Shabbat and study Torah!

@youngknowledgeseeker 2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, and notice James says all we require of them are those four things from the law, not becoming Jews! Not holy days, not kosher laws, not circumcision. Just those 4 things if fellowship between Jews and Genitles are going to co-mingle and become one in christ. Please understand the verdict wasn't do these four things until you become Jews and keep the law, it's do these four things since we have no choice but to commingle because there are synagogues everywhere. But of course don't believe me, do your own prayer.

@michaelsmith9453 2 жыл бұрын

@@youngknowledgeseeker thank you for your reply. However, if you notice in Acts 20: 6 through 16 you will see the Apostle Paul and the other disciples still observing the Feasts of Yahweh as well as the seventh day Sabbath. You will have to read verse 7 in the Greek and in the context of the Feasts described in verse 6 and 16 and know about how the feast are interrelated (see Lev.23). Also remember that acts 20 is about 25 years after the Ascension of Yeshua, Paul has already written his theological books of Galatians and Romans and what are they still doing? They're not only keeping the Feast of Yahweh but they're also keeping the seventh day Sabbath. Paul is doing the very same things that Yeshua his Messiah was doing and teaching. Yeshua was a Torah observant Torah teaching rabbi and we are to walk even as he walked.

@youngknowledgeseeker 2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelsmith9453 Yes Mr.Smith, because they were Jews. Paul NEVER told Jews to stop being Jewish. His concern was with Gentiles thinking they needed to become Jewish. According to Acts James, Peter, Paul and Holy Spirit determined, no. They only need to obey Christs teachings and, so fellowship can be facilitated (since the prime meeting spot for Christians was synagogues at first) they should at least keep these 4 things. Good observation about Galatians, however the only thing I would add is that Paul is not speaking to Jews there. He's speaking to gentiles, and ones he himself converted no less. In Acts 20 remember what got Paul unfortunately killed is that *Jews* thought he was telling *Jews* to not keep the law anymore. James response is that "let's show them thats obviously false". Theres more I could say. But typing is burdensome.

@nubtube7313 5 ай бұрын

Paul’s thorn in the flesh is his struggle to get people to believe his story, and Dr. Tabor’s understanding of Paul in my view starts with a critical flaw. In Dr. Tabor’s view, understanding the context of Galatians and where Paul got his Gospel is the key, but then he fails to correctly interpret the context in Galatians. He believes the whole point of the first chapter was for Paul to establish priority by claiming he received his Gospel directly from Jesus. A more plausible explanation would be Paul attempting to find a sense of belonging. The context of Galatians has Paul trying to convince the Gentile masses of his story by explaining its origin, and a more logical explanation of Paul’s first visit to Jerusalem would be for his own validation. A known human behavior after a traumatic experience is to withdraw, especially if the victim thinks the traumatic event is not believable. It usually requires a lot of courage, but an important aspect is the need to identify with others as a form of self-validation. According to the text he reaches out 3-years after his conversion experience, and it makes sense this first visit would center on Paul need to report his truth. The fact that he sees only Peter and meets no one else but James only adds credibility to the story. Given his past history with the group they would have been skeptical and cautious, but the account fits what we know of the groups hierarchy with Peter as the rock, and James as the leader. It’s believable that Paul would meet with James only after Peter was convinced of his intentions. And the meaning of “a thorn in the flesh” is made clearer in other texts. Having to continue boasting about something is like having to retell a story, and retelling a story without gaining anything is like not having the story believed. The reference to “power made perfect in weakness” fits the Jesus narrative and the role Paul claims to have been given. Jesus demands faith, Jews ask for a sign, and Greeks look for logic. But what might give Paul reason to be conceited, and what could torment him? His ascent to heaven would be a worthy boast, and not being believed would be a torment if the story were actually true. This also fits with his analogy of “running a race”. If he believes the task given to him was to gather God’s people amongst the Gentiles before the end arrives, then the torment becomes clearer the harder it is for him to fulfill that mission. The fact that he was wrong about timing proves he was no different than you, or I. Don’t let anyone tell you he was perfect Dr. Tabor.

@sheldon-dy2zq Жыл бұрын

Just for the record if you are unable to say it is this: Apostle Paul single handedly did more to shape the world than any other person who ever lived.

@ThetennisDr Жыл бұрын

Peter an apostle for the Jew

@hugo3665 Жыл бұрын

Of course not, Muhammad, Jesus and The Buddha were the most influentials

@patrickjohnson7592 Жыл бұрын

The Real, black Messiah, was deleted, from the Bible, with the use of Jesus, the Pagan .THe Name of the True, Son of God, was dismissed. The Romans, did not recognize Him.

@patriciaoudart1508 2 жыл бұрын

👍🙏💚🧡 thanks for those précisions. Torah became to be written, as this is a teaching, not a cooking book, that's the big mistake about perception of God, for Jude as later Christians, and Muslin. The book became the law of God. You make me here having a new perception of Paul. Letters, commentaries, is what we do everyday, but not necessarily to be relevant for centuries, so Is Paul were writing as thinking all that was only matter for his time?... Seem's no. He was running his proper way to be in god, his mission like me I can think I have a mission by god, that I must accomplish. That's a total different look, about how writings are freeze ideas, making them hard ice dogmas. Paul was between two worlds that he wanted to synthesize, with the sensation that it would be universal. But, end of times was pending, an other reason to push a synthesis able to make the James and Jesus, Maria movement an universal teaching, free from heavier dogma of Jerusalem perversion of the Torah teachings. What I don't accept is that we are the Temple, I don't need any revelation from a man, Romes religion became powerful saying they were the intermediates between God and Us. That's for a reason if James were silenced, And Paul glorified. Silencing James is a way to have silenced Jesus as human, but making him the son of God was very very more useful for the intermediates who organized a powerful system using in the same time the roman empire world. We are now at the end of times, this is a question of months or a decade, we have to transmit Wisdom, and God's daylight to next humanity if this happens, that could be also end of life here. I'm aware of the facts that this represent, but We have like Paul to ask Us, how to create the best next humanity in God, if this is given to Us. This is a very important question, but mostly none want to know about it. This is the solitude of Noah, if I could say, working everyday in the boat over the hill, everyone around laughing. How did Paul died?..... Were he conscient to have accomplished the mission that were given to him?

@michaelsmith9453 2 жыл бұрын

kzbin.info/www/bejne/fqSplIaNZrSZaJo Jason DeCosta has a very thought provoking position called "Israel Only". Derek Lambert hosted DeCosta a number of times on his show. Was wondering if he mentioned DeCosta to you?

@michaelsmith9453 2 жыл бұрын

Actually, it is a position that I had held before I came across DeCosta, but he articulates the position very well imho, although I would not agree with his Preterism.

@tomrhodes1629 2 жыл бұрын

@GeckoHiker 2 жыл бұрын

Paul of Tarsus was not an apostle of Yeshua. I believe he was the Lying Spouter and a false apostle. But I will listen to this even though it is irksome. Paulianity was entirely his movement and had nothing to do with the teachings of Yeshua. In fact, christianity as it became known only serves to obscure the truth

@marshalldarcy7423 2 жыл бұрын

THE AMERICAN SCHOLAR "When he can read God directly, the hour is too precious to be wasted in other men's transcripts of their readings." By Ralph Waldo Emerson

@J_Douglas 2 жыл бұрын

Love watching your videos being raised Christian I have always felt something isn't quite right in my opinion of modern day Christianity. I won't go into detail in this comment but I would much rather follow the teachings of Jesus before Paul and 6th the church from the 3rd century to the 6th or so when Rome made it the official belief. Personallly I think all rivers lead to the same ocean and I refuse to believe in the dogma of todays Bible. Growing up as a preachers kid I must say the old testiment stories had a bad influence on me. The violent sotries of a God that would destroy cities and full tribes or people did not leave a good impression. I would play out imaginary scenes where I was God and I would do mean things to animlas that I didn't like like frogs and snakes. I reinact the violent stories in the bible as if I was a monster so when I 1st heard about Marcian I did a little reading and must say his version of things seems to me more on point than any I have ever heard. Others that I listen to besides you are Jordan Petersons Phsycological understanding of biblical stories, Michael Heiser "the unseen realm" and of course you and Myth Vision. I appreciate Dereks take on things as well but I am not ready to completely denounce God or the idea tha Jesus is the way. Thanks for your work.

@thomasrhodes5013 2 жыл бұрын

Professor Tabor, would you take on something too wild for the young? I would like to study the figure Gabrael in Scriptural history. he seems to come up a lot and his appearances suggest an agenda. I know you haven't studied the Quaran, but you gave studied Celsus. The Exodus is interesting if you were riding in the car with Celsus. From a Celcus scrutiny the change of Pharos's mind would catch the interest. If the Jews robbed the Temples before they left Egypt this would motivate Pharoh. If Pharoh chased the Jews to retrieve his property, then Gabrial and the others who drown Pharos army would be murderers. Bear in mind that s bunch of Jewish slaves had enough gold to build a calf of gold in the desert.