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@theScytheofGod
@theScytheofGod 8 жыл бұрын
So innocent people go to jail in Japan, yet the worse crime I've ever heard of was when 4 teenage Japanese boys raped and tortured their female schoolmate for a month until she died, and NONE OF THEM WENT TO JAIL. Do you see the discrepancy here,the disparity?
@Sha-Ne-Ru
@Sha-Ne-Ru 8 жыл бұрын
thats the other dark side of the law, if they're "children" then they almost always get a lighter sentence.. specially if their parents can afford the right lawyer. Japan cherish the youth because they are the future.. ~
@annelyam3530
@annelyam3530 8 жыл бұрын
Nova Nocturne that's in most countries around the world
@Sha-Ne-Ru
@Sha-Ne-Ru 8 жыл бұрын
Thekpop Otaku it is and it isn't.. it's just that in Asia it's more-so
@atmark666
@atmark666 7 жыл бұрын
nope they went to jail.
@sunman8139
@sunman8139 7 жыл бұрын
They went to jail and got out like 13 years later or something because some of the boys where in the yakuza, sucks to hear that story, those criminals are out in the wild right now.
@naaatsuki
@naaatsuki 8 жыл бұрын
This is a very serious issue especially considering that Japan still has death penalty. Sometimes the Japanese police even makes up fake evidences.
@HiThereImLily
@HiThereImLily 8 жыл бұрын
Or writes things down as suicide if a murder can't be solved, or so I've heard.
@insuspectedrulling1082
@insuspectedrulling1082 8 жыл бұрын
Talk about murder case that can't be solved... There were many case of people dying that can't be explained... You made me scared.... Lol
@kohaikurarensustillgamin.419
@kohaikurarensustillgamin.419 8 жыл бұрын
naaatsuki , It is a heartless police officer doing their job, just because they are required to do it. No care for justice served to the right person or justice given to the innocent.
@biawakstruus
@biawakstruus 7 жыл бұрын
I believe Japanese police are not the only one
@elinag5743
@elinag5743 7 жыл бұрын
You're right, but even without the death sentence it's horrible for the innocent to be convicted, locked in prison for time they can't get back. I hope Japan fixes this problem.
@Zayashuku
@Zayashuku 6 жыл бұрын
How those police sleep at night knowing what they did to this poor soul. I'm shook
@azoz273
@azoz273 5 жыл бұрын
Zayashuku They're basically robots and they don't think... they just follow the superior
@no_misaki
@no_misaki 4 жыл бұрын
@Otto Coldbeer Haha good one! I read the news too
@GladDestronger
@GladDestronger 2 жыл бұрын
fine. they tell themselves they're just doing their job. like a lot of high and mighty groups do.
@HelenEk7
@HelenEk7 8 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised that in a civilised nation like Japan the police is not required to record their interrogations..!
@yusraaa4221
@yusraaa4221 8 жыл бұрын
japanese aren't any more civilised than americans
@tordyclark
@tordyclark 8 жыл бұрын
For court cases I have to disagree. In court, you will not be listened to if you claim innocence. There is no way to have your voice heard if you're the one being sued/arrested. At first, you must prove your innocence and the court is simply not in your favour. I have been sued in Japan and spent a year in the system.
@akshayganesh4144
@akshayganesh4144 7 жыл бұрын
Tordy Clark it's better to be in a corrupted system than in a cruel system. I bet u if it was a corrupted system this ppl would have been out in a few days. ironically, it's the bad ppl who deserve to be behind bars take advantage of it n use it, d good ppl never show up
@crazyadolescent16
@crazyadolescent16 7 жыл бұрын
Helen E from what I've seen human rights is optional in Japan.
@fissioncrusier
@fissioncrusier 7 жыл бұрын
i think they do or dont do that on purpose
@Bradgilliswhammyman
@Bradgilliswhammyman 8 жыл бұрын
That must be horrible. To be locked away at 20 and come out and find your parents have died. Nothing can repair that damage :(
@chairmanofrussia
@chairmanofrussia 6 жыл бұрын
God, when you put it that way, it just makes me want to drink...that’s depressing.
@lukasjacob3721
@lukasjacob3721 5 жыл бұрын
This us the first thing i thought too....
@markl7752
@markl7752 5 жыл бұрын
Probably would have found out they died whilst in prison which would have been very very tough. He would also wonder whether his parents died believing or doubting his innocence
@apathyguy8338
@apathyguy8338 4 жыл бұрын
Oh I don't about that. The police and judges who railroaded her could be sentenced to 20 years each. In a system that isn't corrupt to it's core they would at least investigate these scumbags for criminal offenses. If the officers had any honor they would choose Seppuku.
@melonsoda4743
@melonsoda4743 4 жыл бұрын
@@apathyguy8338 they cant arrest police, judges, or any authority. it would break the illusion of a perfect society.
@yoolkiie
@yoolkiie 7 жыл бұрын
Wow an innocent mother is jailed for 20 years for the murder she never committed. When 7 years before Megumi's death a 17 year old girl ( Junko Furuta ) was tortured for 44 days and then eventually murdered and guess what her killers got less than 10 years in jail and her death was notorious for being one of the most painful ever.
@misamisamisamisamisamisa
@misamisamisamisamisamisa 6 жыл бұрын
Fried Egg true and over a hundred raped her that was not prosecuted.
@cypresswillow2591
@cypresswillow2591 6 жыл бұрын
don't mean to be a jackass, but was her case really true though? some people disbelieve that she even survive 40 days of torture, that that the number of days is almost biblical... it does feel like an exaggeration the times and things they did to her physically and mentally... a normal person who've been dead long. I only got her story from wiki pages though... also, wasn't there a boy who tried to help her but got beat up?
@alex-hc3sk
@alex-hc3sk 6 жыл бұрын
omg and the mother of one of the perpetrators vandalizing her grave saying she ruined her sons life.... Junko Furuta seriously got no justice at ALL one of the dudes are still out there in japan living like its nothing....
@naturalthing1
@naturalthing1 6 жыл бұрын
Do you really think that Zainichi Korean is innocent? Be real
@lukasjacob3721
@lukasjacob3721 5 жыл бұрын
I was thinking that too... still makes me cry..
@tenzinwangmu5255
@tenzinwangmu5255 6 жыл бұрын
They literally ruined her life.The death of her daughter was devastating at its own and then the prosecutors wrongly convicted her . This is tyranny and open mockery of law practise! Such disgrace to laws and its regulations leaves us with trust issues towards law and orders! God bless the woman for rest of her life....you had a tough life but you endured it well! You were strong and didn’t give up...that itself is the biggest victory that you have harnessed through this tragic journey🙏🏻more power to you.
@hitbystyle666
@hitbystyle666 5 жыл бұрын
Free Tibet
@darkarima
@darkarima 4 жыл бұрын
It's disturbing to hear them repeatedly assert in this video that the death penalty is wrong because you can't take back mistakes - with the implication being that you can release an innocent woman after two decades wrongfully imprisoned, and now everything is okay. But killing an innocent person immediately, thus depriving them of an unknown number of years (10? 20? 30? 50?), is an evil that exists on the same spectrum as stealing 20 years from them.
@Liuhuayue
@Liuhuayue 8 жыл бұрын
How cruel. The law wrongfully broke up a family. Yes, the daughter was killed, but the son, who was still alive, was separated from both of his parents, too.
@cetriyasArtnComicsChannel
@cetriyasArtnComicsChannel 8 жыл бұрын
can you imagine what kind of bullying that young boy went through? this is so sad
@DSQueenie
@DSQueenie 8 жыл бұрын
You icon is lovely! Where is it from?
@stxllr4687
@stxllr4687 6 жыл бұрын
...can we hit 50 likes?
@Rath9765
@Rath9765 7 жыл бұрын
the police are so lazy to investigate. this is not Profesional
@808INFantry11X
@808INFantry11X 3 жыл бұрын
@@samcarter4497 well its also Japanese Culture where they need to "save face" in Japanese culture the system cannot be wrong and that is the problem here. Until you change that culture in the public service side you will continue to see this happen.
@josaxytube
@josaxytube 8 жыл бұрын
This is just a lazy justice system. And for a seemingly 'effecient' country like Japan, this is just pathetic. I'm sorry for everyone who had gone through this.
@omuffin1854
@omuffin1854 5 жыл бұрын
Japanese was never known for efficiency
@alshaikabdulroufalsadiq6588
@alshaikabdulroufalsadiq6588 8 жыл бұрын
"Let a hundred guilty be acquitted, but one innocent should not be convicted"
@aldiboronti
@aldiboronti 8 жыл бұрын
Sounds good but think about it. Do we really want, for instance, a hundred murderers walking the streets free to kill again rather than one innocent person suffering? Sometimes you have to take the greater good of society into account.
@alshaikabdulroufalsadiq6588
@alshaikabdulroufalsadiq6588 8 жыл бұрын
If an Innocent is sent to Prison! Just think about it. How weird it is. If a guilty acquitted, later he can be held on Doubt of crime. If same thing happens to an innocent. How we can keep a Justice as a Justice? So, getting or applying Justice is a Process not a Punishment for the Justice Seekers or Spporters. Crime is a Crime for Current or Past or Later. So, coming to the Justice Process we should be Unbiased about it.
@KarishmaVyas
@KarishmaVyas 8 жыл бұрын
yes, until it happens to you or to someone you love.
@Liuhuayue
@Liuhuayue 8 жыл бұрын
Alshaik Abdul Rouf Alsadiq Only in countries with double jeopardy protections does that apply.
@lkrnpk
@lkrnpk 7 жыл бұрын
There is no GREATER GOOD OF SOCIETY. Society should mean nothing when we put people on trial. Your thinking promotes ideologies such as Stalinism, Hitlerism and Maoism. If there was a mass murderer on trial and if 1000 or million people outside screamed and cried for lynching him and even if I was 80% convinced that he's guilty, if I did not have enough evidence, I would let him free. Because that's what justice is. I actually learned it from watching Judge Dredd as a kid, with the scene of statue of Justitia
@nora4981
@nora4981 7 жыл бұрын
I suddenly recalled the anime Detective Conan, where the police almost always get the wrong person and the obvious clues are usually wrong or misread.
@mattmattsito
@mattmattsito 7 жыл бұрын
That what I was thinking about. It seems that the character Kogoro Mori is taken from the reality.
@camvin575
@camvin575 6 жыл бұрын
Muathiano Flahini It probably is.
@YamaGaYobu
@YamaGaYobu 6 жыл бұрын
They still don't show much of the 'corrupted side' of the police force, well the newer chapters and episodes will be showing some.
@azoz273
@azoz273 5 жыл бұрын
Not only that... conan would determine someone is the killer and then search for evidence (not the other way around) and then confront the killer (using Kogoro's voice) voice and force them to confess. Besides whenever an incident occurs (death or any other type) conan would always insist it's a crime not an incident and he will never consider suicide as a factor
@saocxdc210
@saocxdc210 4 жыл бұрын
@@azoz273 No man, conan actually search for evidence before determining literally anything. Read the 1st volume again where he encountered a suicidal case
@spiral272
@spiral272 8 жыл бұрын
What a sad story. I've lived in Japan for 9 years. The society here is amazingly homogeneous and generally peaceful. But there is a tendency in the official eye to see things as black and white in a way that is extreme. I saw in another documentary here that people who commit a crime (if they actually commit it) are not seen as people who have done something bad but as bad people. I can attest that that is largely true. In the case of this lady it seems she was simply crushed on a whim of someone who decided she was guilty---period. I hope law enforcement and those in charge of policy can put their aggression and pride aside more in the future.
@marivicdelacruz4015
@marivicdelacruz4015 8 жыл бұрын
Treb Спасибо! Да прогамме "101 Васио" на Ал-Джазеера
@KarishmaVyas
@KarishmaVyas 8 жыл бұрын
Actually she did buy insurance for her son and it was worth more than the insurance she bought for her daughter.
@ElGroggy
@ElGroggy 8 жыл бұрын
Well if you can't buy one for your children doesn't mean others can't as well. In Japan, they have quite a high salary and plenty of advantages for those working. And if you are suspicious because you get a insurance for someone then why do they exist? Maybe you should investigate what an insurance can give you aside from money.
@fromYAHUSHAreborn91
@fromYAHUSHAreborn91 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you for giving you opinion that people who do bad things are generally bad people. Hopefully this can be taken to it's fullest extreme around the world in the future, allowing it to become a better place.
@vtecpreludevtec
@vtecpreludevtec 8 жыл бұрын
Trevor M ok Japan isnt perfect,but population decline n a bit of xenophobia beats living in western Europe if u ask,moi.
@tedankhamenbonnah4848
@tedankhamenbonnah4848 8 жыл бұрын
As an ex-police translator in Japan, I never saw coercion, but the presumption of guilt is strong. Incidentally, when I was bullied at an old workplace (university where I taught ESL), I saw lots of interrogation sale questioning explained by the fact that the organization required them to act that way. Japanese people are nice, Japanese groups can be evil...
@Sha-Ne-Ru
@Sha-Ne-Ru 8 жыл бұрын
hmm i agree, an individual Japanese person can be extremely nice! but once they're in a group, they all band together and the most popular idea becomes the standard,
@joseq3431
@joseq3431 6 жыл бұрын
Did this stupid reporter coverage something himself about this case? No. He just made this ridiculous video with selfish testimony of Aoki's Communist party member lawyers. Also, if you really lived in Japan, you supposed to know that this case was a very suspicious sentence and most of the evidence said this ugly couple was guilty. Everyone who lives in Japan knows they raped the girl and Korean guy admits it. The limbs of her burnt body was tied up.
@kazumakiryuu2668
@kazumakiryuu2668 2 жыл бұрын
@@Sha-Ne-Ru anime deceived me. japan deceived me. this documentary is reality.
@petahawker2447
@petahawker2447 Жыл бұрын
I concur, in my 20 years in Japan I saw how the nature of the individual is distorted when in a group. I believe it has something to do with how children are socialised. There is much weight upon, and dependence upon, the group.
@stevendunn2501
@stevendunn2501 8 жыл бұрын
Let's just say that as a Black American male, news of someone spending multiple decades behind bars after being forced to confess to crimes they're innocent of isn't news to me.
@MsJamilaaa
@MsJamilaaa 8 жыл бұрын
Steven Dunn 100% I agree! It happens all over the world. In Japan it happens because the cultural strive for perfection- the prosecutors always need to be the best at their jobs. As the entire Japanese culture promotes to always excel. But from the times of witchcraft In medieval times- all the way to contemporary society- forced confessions happen everywhere!
@auckie
@auckie 8 жыл бұрын
A black American being successful probably is shocking to you, yet it happens to those who work for it - no different than white people.
@washuuchan6644
@washuuchan6644 8 жыл бұрын
it's so sad that's the way it is. and i know this is RAMPANT among african americans which is just disgusting in this day and age ... but a close family member of mine (i'm indian/native american on my mother's side and just mixed white on the other, and the person was on the "other side," just a white guy) faced something very similar where basically 2 guys set him up and without evidence he was convicted of a felony, despite the STATE trying to drop the charges and failing to do so. the media "coverage" of the whole thing was probably the worst part because our family name was blasted everywhere and there was NO EVIDENCE, no motive, and if anything, only the fact that the other 2 guys had bad records. i don't really see how things are much different in the united states right now. especially considering how the united states and japan are (i believe) the only 2 "industrialized" countries in the world which still use the death penalty. let me just say the people profiled in this episode must be some of the strongest people ... shoji's words about how life is not all about loss and there are some things you can only gain by losing ... my heart just broke.
@auckie
@auckie 8 жыл бұрын
Washuu Chan this is a comment area not the autobiography area.
@washuuchan6644
@washuuchan6644 8 жыл бұрын
very good. if that were my autobiography, i'd be quite boring.
@soo-ginma3233
@soo-ginma3233 5 жыл бұрын
Yup! That’s sounds about right! Growing up in Korea, I heard my grand parents talking about what they had to suffered under the Japanese annexation when they were young. My uncle was a policeman. To get information the Japanese were looking for, they drove bamboo stick under his nails and that’s just beginning. My uncle dies in prison from the horrendous torture. Humans are capable of unspeakable evil....
@markdierking9347
@markdierking9347 5 жыл бұрын
yes. from what I have learned, the Japanese authorities have never admitted, acknowledged or apologized for any war crimes committed in Korea, China, Philippines or anywhere their imperial forces occupied illegally. Losing face is humiliating, it seems and unacceptable as it shows weakness. On the other hand, reasonable people refer to admissions of crime as manning up, taking responsibility for ones actions or just owning it; all are commendable honest actions from strength promoting personal growth.
@4FYTfa8EjYHNXjChe8xs7xmC5pNEtz
@4FYTfa8EjYHNXjChe8xs7xmC5pNEtz 4 жыл бұрын
Korean police are doing the same thing. They shout at suspects and get fake confessions. Many times they beat people up. In fact Korean police are much worse than Japanese police when it comes to human rights and treating prisoners decently. Don't pretend that you are so innocent.
@4FYTfa8EjYHNXjChe8xs7xmC5pNEtz
@4FYTfa8EjYHNXjChe8xs7xmC5pNEtz 4 жыл бұрын
@@markdierking9347 I think you should study the topic more before you start talking about it. The Japanese government has apologized to Korea and given them money many times over the past 30 years. No matter what they do, the Koreans are never satisfied. A couple years ago, after Abe apologized to them AGAIN and gsve them more money, Koreans were rioting in Seoul because they thought it wasn't enough. The Chinese government is constantly attacking Japan because they want to use Japan as a scapegoat and villain to deflect the attention of the Chinese people from the oppression inflicted on them by the CCP. It's political campaign of intimidation and hate, it's been going on for years, and it's getting worse under Xi. Under these conditions it's difficult for Japan to apologize to China. If they did, China would only use it for even more vicious political attacks and demands. The CCP are crooks and they would love to rob Japan blind, economically and politically.
@DanielK1213th
@DanielK1213th 4 жыл бұрын
@@4FYTfa8EjYHNXjChe8xs7xmC5pNEtz lol did you know you are being brainwashed by the Japanese media? it's hilarious to see a white knight for Japan.
@gr1mrea9er82
@gr1mrea9er82 7 жыл бұрын
Its like assuming anyone owning a car is a drunk driver.
@MissNebulosity
@MissNebulosity 6 жыл бұрын
Getting out of jail after being in for 20 years must feel like you've time traveled when you get out... Such a tragedy...
@2152-p4c
@2152-p4c 7 жыл бұрын
the mother reading her deceased daughter was truly sad. poor keiko
@tsienna2050
@tsienna2050 7 жыл бұрын
Japanese police tend to speak in a manner exactly like Yakuza. Regular citizens are not used of such, terrified and are overwhelmed during interrogation.
@karlbryant3304
@karlbryant3304 6 жыл бұрын
They should be allowed to sue for wrongful inprisonment
@croco_cosuma
@croco_cosuma 6 жыл бұрын
I just watched the first 11 minutes and I'm already in tears lmao,, I can't imagine what the mother went through... Japan law system needs to be changed
@sabinabadrudeen3451
@sabinabadrudeen3451 7 жыл бұрын
A sad part is hearing how Keiko wants to fit in with society. Imagine just discovering Wi-Fi as soon as it's been a normal thing for years, being stared at as a "killer criminal" forever, losing family connections, etc.
@SpudForceable
@SpudForceable 7 жыл бұрын
My rule of thumb for Japan: Great place to visit! Will I ever live there long term? No. I admire Japan, but I am not blind to its faults. The Justice System in particular is in need of major reform
@ReptilianTeaDrinker
@ReptilianTeaDrinker 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I'd like to visit, but not live there.
@azoz273
@azoz273 5 жыл бұрын
Now I'm even scared to visit and wonder if innocent tourists have ever been arrested or convicted
@IncognitoSprax
@IncognitoSprax 5 жыл бұрын
@@azoz273 Yeah. On one of the Rare Earth videos a guy talls about how he was detained for having OTC painkillers, after checking if it was okay with customs. Spent almost a month detained and then had to fight hard.
@thepowerlies
@thepowerlies 2 жыл бұрын
@@azoz273 check "Why Japan Arrests Foreigners" from "Paolo from tokyo" channel, he interviews with a Japanese lawyer on that
@azoz273
@azoz273 2 жыл бұрын
@@thepowerlies Will do
@TRRkosay
@TRRkosay 8 жыл бұрын
I hope Keiko sued / will sue shitload of money from government.
@jellybeans5081
@jellybeans5081 7 жыл бұрын
TRRkosay Yeah- but she mentioned money cannot replace what she lost. Time, money.. etc etc. She's out in a completely different world, from where she once was in back in the days where the technology we have today did not exist.
@azoz273
@azoz273 5 жыл бұрын
Will even if they give her 100 trillion dollars, it will never repay the 20 years spent in jail and the psychological suffering
@normanbraslow7902
@normanbraslow7902 4 жыл бұрын
Nope. Very little if any compensation.
@oceansong1
@oceansong1 7 жыл бұрын
A cautionary tale. Japan has low crime statistics due a woefully incompetent law enforcement system that blames victims and has powers such as literal indefinite detention with out charge until a confession is obtained. Nearly all cases are prosecuted via these confessions and once a "confession" has been made the case goes 100% the prosecution's way. What compounds this is that a confession is seen as way of gaining a lesser jail sentence (which is a very cultural aspect of Japan's justice system). This is why the crime rate is so "low". No-one wants anything to do the police due to the rigged system so people just 'gunbare (endure)' and stay silent when very bad things happen to them. Although the Japanese strive for a Utopian society, in many ways it is rotten to the core and full of miserable people.
@bangbangtangahwei
@bangbangtangahwei 6 жыл бұрын
At least they theft crime is much lower compared to other 3rd world countries.
@GlobalPenguin2012
@GlobalPenguin2012 5 жыл бұрын
Hideyoshi I like your words “rotten to the core”
@loverainthunder
@loverainthunder 2 жыл бұрын
​@@bangbangtangahwei Japan is not a developing country, and he said people endure harm from law breakers. But you're saying at least it has less crime than 3rd world country. 🙃
@kazumakiryuu2668
@kazumakiryuu2668 2 жыл бұрын
@@bangbangtangahwei anime deceived me. japan deceived me. this documentary is reality.
@Takemysenf
@Takemysenf 8 жыл бұрын
I knew about this issue. It is one of the worst things about Japan, a country I mostly hold very dear. But this, this is just disgusting. The prosecutors and police who do these things are worse than the original criminals in my opinion. They commit two crimes at the same time: They ruin the lives of innocents AND they let the real culprits go free. Appalling.
@shin-ishikiri-no
@shin-ishikiri-no 6 жыл бұрын
This happens everywhere. Including the USA.
@chivalrous8245
@chivalrous8245 6 жыл бұрын
Erik Nomura To a vastly different extent between countries.
@yoruichixx6951
@yoruichixx6951 5 жыл бұрын
@@shin-ishikiri-no nope not in central europe
@killerratchet1973
@killerratchet1973 5 жыл бұрын
@@shin-ishikiri-no At least here in the USA we have the right to remain silent, and we aren't relentlessly tortured for hours and we're only detained in a police station for 24-48 hours. Not 24 days like in japan. We also have the right to speak to our attorney/lawyer something japan is very strict on.
@swp5528
@swp5528 3 жыл бұрын
@@shin-ishikiri-no No it does not. In the US if it happens it is a mistake. In Japan it is policy. (And you know it)
@PongoXBongo
@PongoXBongo 8 жыл бұрын
A forced confession is a false confession, even if it's true. ;)
@sidharthcs2110
@sidharthcs2110 7 жыл бұрын
PongoXBongo What is the point of this comment mate?????? It is obvious.
@OowllwoO
@OowllwoO 6 жыл бұрын
The daughter's letter breaks the mom's heart. How sad
@boydr7160
@boydr7160 8 жыл бұрын
investigating these issues = doing nothing
@maggyfrog
@maggyfrog 8 жыл бұрын
*sweeping the issues under the rug
@leezhieng
@leezhieng 8 жыл бұрын
Police investigating themselves lol
@KarishmaVyas
@KarishmaVyas 8 жыл бұрын
We were certainly disappointed that the police nor the Justice Minister gave us an interview on this issue.
@woooster17
@woooster17 7 жыл бұрын
Karishma Vyas That in itself says everything.. Sad story, either way, a little girl lost her life.
@joseq3431
@joseq3431 6 жыл бұрын
Did this stupid reporter coverage something himself about this case? No. He just made this ridiculous video with selfish testimony of Aoki's Communist party member lawyers. Also, if you really lived in Japan, you supposed to know that this case was a very suspicious sentence and most of the evidence said this ugly couple was guilty. Everyone who lives in Japan knows they raped the girl and Korean guy admits it. The limbs of her burnt body was tied up.
@agarcia3063
@agarcia3063 4 жыл бұрын
Watching her read that Mother’s Day letter from Megumi is so hard to watch
@liegelord1971
@liegelord1971 6 жыл бұрын
May her daughter's soul rest in peace and may she find closure and justice
@Siriastimeflies
@Siriastimeflies 7 жыл бұрын
Based on the title I expected this to be about how the media in Japan can point at someone and say they're guilty over and over again while the investigation is still ongoing, and then at most issue a tiny apology if they're found innocent - de facto ruining that person's life, especially because most people seem to believe the news 100% (even if said "news" are mornings talk-shows). But this was also very educating, and goes hand in hand with it - I'd be surprised if most people in Japan did not still believe she's guilty. I wonder what media coverage her innocence verdict got?
@michaelhart7282
@michaelhart7282 Жыл бұрын
Watching her recite the letter Megumi wrote her was absolutely heartbreaking
@sanmigueltv
@sanmigueltv 4 жыл бұрын
Great video.. I love this topic.
@Kankuro998
@Kankuro998 7 жыл бұрын
The problem here is that like in the US, Japanese police officers are trained to get a confession, not the truth.
@Ladyuko
@Ladyuko 7 жыл бұрын
Forcing a confession definitely is not unique to Japan
@ReptilianTeaDrinker
@ReptilianTeaDrinker 5 жыл бұрын
But this video has nothing to do with other countries. It's about the Japanese justice system. Focus on that.
@Sha-Ne-Ru
@Sha-Ne-Ru 8 жыл бұрын
theres a lot of cases like this in Japan.. even i was almost arrested in japan because i didn't have my gaijin card on me, (i was at the conbini across the road from my house, like literally across the road, but they didn't believe me) in the middle of the street this one officer started telling all these stories about how they've heard of foreigners causing trouble in this area and what not. he refused to let me go home to get my card, and was scolding me basically on how to be a good foreigner xD honestly i think he was having a bad day or just didn't like foreigners or was power mad or something hahaha its funny now, but back then it was scary since i was new to the country and hardly new the language, but it's like, once they think you're guilty that's it.. in the end he let me go since i saw the landlord who knew me, and his attitude changed immediately after he found out i knew someone who was japanese xD either way i still love japan and lived there for 2 years and plan to go back in the future ^^
@Sahara333
@Sahara333 8 жыл бұрын
Nova Nocturne I lived in Japan for a few months studying abroad. For orientation, my school told us to ALWAYS keep our gaijin card on us no matter what. That was enough to scare me because it's like the one day you forget it is the day the police come up to you. I'm glad the police let you go and hope it doesn't happen again.
@Sha-Ne-Ru
@Sha-Ne-Ru 8 жыл бұрын
Kayla Joyner yeah I was told that too, xD the one time it wasn't in my purse where I usually keep it and I had to bump into mr.attitude haha
@Sahara333
@Sahara333 8 жыл бұрын
Its like they have a sense for it. "OH that person looks like they dont have their gaijin card, let me go check"
@Nepuski
@Nepuski 7 жыл бұрын
Kayla Joyner no, it's more like "oh that person does not look like ethnic japanese, I should check the id because I have any other workd to do"....
@Sahara333
@Sahara333 7 жыл бұрын
Nepuski True, that too
@1mannyman1
@1mannyman1 7 жыл бұрын
I find it hard to believe that somebody would confess to killing their daughter after 12 hours, if they didn't do it
@MsYunnieho
@MsYunnieho 7 жыл бұрын
The justice minister "doesn't have the time" to address miscarriages in the justice system. That says alot,
@liliumjade
@liliumjade 6 жыл бұрын
This will literally kill me if I got wrongfully convicted of killing my own child. I can't imagine what it was like for her living behind bars for 20 long years...
@oscarfeng2516
@oscarfeng2516 7 жыл бұрын
the fact that she bought insurance on her daughter's life still stands...
@bringcarm8033
@bringcarm8033 6 жыл бұрын
omg poor shoji.... im so sorry. This hits the spot for me, having both my parents dead in a car crash. I didn't even get to say goodbye to them. I wish shoji can find peace within himself after fighting for what he's lost. :(
@441meatloaf
@441meatloaf 6 жыл бұрын
Police tactics saying the co-conspirators admitted is the oldest trick in the book. Prisoners dilemma at work.
@gc3k
@gc3k 3 жыл бұрын
The only thing more horrifying than this case is the many examples you can find of the same injustices happening in other cases, even in this comment section
@biawakstruus
@biawakstruus 7 жыл бұрын
I think it's some kind of psychological experiments. Like, 'how to make innocent people feel guilty'
@Bradgilliswhammyman
@Bradgilliswhammyman 8 жыл бұрын
If you really are innocent, do not sign anything, do not speak unless you have an attorney present. Be as stubborn as the police.
@dregonskreper7609
@dregonskreper7609 8 жыл бұрын
Well you do not have emotional trauma to deal with also if you were watching the video closely, they did say the police can get away with detaining someone for upto 23 days. Suck a bloody privileged as fuck thing for you to say.
@Sha-Ne-Ru
@Sha-Ne-Ru 8 жыл бұрын
its hard to do that if you're being bullied psychologically got 12 hours straight, after suffering emotional damage of your daughter burning to death.. which she couldn't do anything but sit there and watch as her house went up in flames.. not to mention these investigators are "professionals" at what they do best lol
@mksabourinable
@mksabourinable 8 жыл бұрын
You're not allowed to have an attorney present, and it can last weeks, didn't you watch the video?? Besides your statement completely ignores everything we know about the human psyche. You needn't look any further than the Milgram behavioural experiment to understand why they would sign the confession. That added to everything we know about psychological torture, manipulation, gaslighting, etc. makes it EXTREMELY difficult to NOT fall victim to their wishes. You can get a person to do anything, and I mean _anything_, if you know what you're doing - and these people do. And before you say that it wouldn't work on you: you can't possibly know that. No one EVER knows how they will react to a situation until they find themselves in it. The vast majority of people who have been in adverse situations report being surprised by how they reacted/said they didn't react at all how they thought they would. In fact the more confident you are in your abilities the more likely you will fall victim to this sort of thing - because you are not prepared for the eventuality of things going wrong. Nor are you closely monitoring weaknesses and warning signs. Because you think you have no reason to. So you end up defenseless.
@mksabourinable
@mksabourinable 8 жыл бұрын
You're not allowed to have an attorney present, and it can last weeks of 12/13hr days, didn't you watch the video?? Besides your statement completely ignores everything we know about the human psyche. You needn't look any further than the Milgram behavioural experiment to understand why they would sign the confession. That added to everything we know about psychological torture, manipulation, gaslighting, etc. makes it EXTREMELY difficult to NOT fall victim to their wishes. You can get a person to do anything, and I mean _anything_, if you know what you're doing - and these people do. And before you say that it wouldn't work on you: you can't possibly know that. No one EVER knows how they will react to a situation until they find themselves in it. The vast majority of people who have been in adverse situations report being surprised by how they reacted/they didn't react at all how they thought they would. In fact the more confident you are in your abilities the more likely you will fall victim to this sort of thing - because you are not prepared for the eventuality of things going wrong. Nor are you closely monitoring weaknesses and warning signs. Because you think you have no reason to. So you end up leaving yourself defenseless.
@imuni55
@imuni55 7 жыл бұрын
I've been questioned once by security services of my country because of one of my foreign students. It went on for 20 minutes only, I don't think I've changed any of my initial statements, but believe me, it was terrible. I was so angry at him for thinking that I lie to him, for asking me the same questions over and over, for raising his voice... it was tear-inducing. I repeat myself: 20 minutes. That's how much it took for me to become quite unstable. I don't even want to think what would happen if it went on for 12 hours, let alone 24 days...
@Aptosis666
@Aptosis666 6 жыл бұрын
Keiko had lost her child. She was already confused and in shock. After twelve hours it's no surprise she broke.
@vladimirprostran1896
@vladimirprostran1896 8 жыл бұрын
Will these police officers be prosecuted for what they did to Keiko Aoki?
@KarishmaVyas
@KarishmaVyas 8 жыл бұрын
The police would not comment on specific cases but they have told us that they are aware of the allegation and that they are investigating. However, we have seen no indication that there will be any action taken against the police officers or prosecutors involved in Keiko's case.
@joseq3431
@joseq3431 6 жыл бұрын
Did this stupid reporter coverage something himself about this case? No. He just made this ridiculous video with selfish testimony of Aoki's Communist party member lawyers. Also, if you really lived in Japan, you supposed to know that this case was a very suspicious sentence and most of the evidence said this ugly couple was guilty. Everyone who lives in Japan knows they raped the girl and Korean guy admits it. The limbs of her burnt body was tied up. Youn idiot!
@chairmanofrussia
@chairmanofrussia 6 жыл бұрын
Jose you probably don’t live in japan either. You’re a latino, dude. Stfu. She was ruled innocent in a system that condemns nearly everyone it comes across. THAT takes some serious evidence to prove her innocence.
@niggogado
@niggogado 5 жыл бұрын
@@joseq3431 you anime too much dude.
@chevtruck1000
@chevtruck1000 5 жыл бұрын
Held without charge for three weeks, no legal representation until the police are finished "questioning". They've got an amazing conviction level for a very good reason.
@essennagerry
@essennagerry 8 жыл бұрын
But why? I knew a bit of this problem and I thought the Japanese police would do this to say "Hey, look, we always catch the cultprit!" but why turn an incident into a crime? Why would they need this to be a crime and convict a person for it? What for?
@chaosKTW
@chaosKTW 7 жыл бұрын
A possibility is that the incident was in the public's eye at that time, hence, police might felt the pressure to "solve" the crime in order to maintain their reputation. Since, the mother was already a suspect, it made her an easy target. If everyone else already suspected the mother, calling it an accident might cause people to question the police investigation's ability. Or the police was really convinced that the mother was killer because they did not believe in her story about the insurance. The sad thing is the polices jumped into conclusion instead of following the evidences.
@essennagerry
@essennagerry 7 жыл бұрын
chaosKTW Oh, I see now. Thanks!
@jeremyhuff6158
@jeremyhuff6158 6 жыл бұрын
essennagerry probably for the same reason they are intodirtyschool girl underware and urine. They are weirdos!!!
@azoz273
@azoz273 5 жыл бұрын
chaosKTW Lots of things can go wrong when a crime is publicly discussed in media and the government is forced to act upon it
@waindayoungthain2147
@waindayoungthain2147 6 жыл бұрын
You are the example of learnings the right from the wrong in my ideas.👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻.
@deborasmr4u
@deborasmr4u 6 жыл бұрын
Finally the true face of Japan. I have been living in here for almost 20 years and I have always found the way tourists see this country is very naive. Who lives in here knows the reality.
@Meonium
@Meonium 6 жыл бұрын
Facade. Not that different from North Korea.
@Xezlec
@Xezlec 6 жыл бұрын
Why on Earth do you stay there?
@user-ht4kp7py2c
@user-ht4kp7py2c 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@proud2bpagan
@proud2bpagan 7 жыл бұрын
Torture was what that poor woman went through. An already grieving mother with survivor's guilt, combine that with constant interrogation,and they'll tell you where Jimmy Hoffa is buried just to make it stop.
@88ひびき
@88ひびき 6 жыл бұрын
the interrogators and the persecutors do this because they too are under heavy pressure to not leave a case unclosed; they must find some way somehow to put the blame on someone. if not, if there is nobody convicted then they will be under fire by society, the people involved and those relatives who suffered. "who did it?" "what about getting revenge?!" "if nobody did it and it was simply an accident, how will i be able to cope without having a scapegoat?" "the police are incompetent, it is unacceptable to leave these fools in charge of our crimes!' the truth is... the social justice system in japan is so flawed by their own society's expectations.
@pizzatime9196
@pizzatime9196 7 жыл бұрын
Oh my god, I cried when she read her daughter's letter. It's so sad she didn't get to see her kids grow up.
@awudusnd
@awudusnd 8 жыл бұрын
wow some lives are sooo fking bad and sad, how horrific to be in her shoes.
@Lifunia
@Lifunia 6 жыл бұрын
So this is basically "Making a Murderer" but in Japan. It's so hard to understand how they can go after people like that with no proof. Mentally torturing people until they confess to a crime they didn't commit :/
@black.cat66665
@black.cat66665 8 жыл бұрын
I thought Japan was more... civilized, they have a lot to improve in human rights
@tigerex777
@tigerex777 7 жыл бұрын
jessyuzu see? All you see is anime and how great Japan is. Japan's history is paved with death and lies all covered up. They don't even teach their children about their war atrocities.
@atmark666
@atmark666 6 жыл бұрын
jessyuzu now go look on her channel. LOL You were trolled.
@s.a.8548
@s.a.8548 6 жыл бұрын
Daniel Lim Does America teach their children about their war atrocities? Oh, wait. They're still committing it.
@katanafx
@katanafx 6 жыл бұрын
jessyuzu 2
@Meonium
@Meonium 6 жыл бұрын
Lol. The same everywhere in any countries. Even in Indonesia the invades we do to Malaysia was covered up as war for freedom and make Malaysia come back to Indonesia even though Malaysia was never part of Indonesia to begin with.
@paquitoignacio3449
@paquitoignacio3449 4 жыл бұрын
So sad the criminal justice in Japan is that no compensation for wrongful convictions, worst place to be convicted innocently.
@sostenuto
@sostenuto 8 жыл бұрын
Why do people tolerate this in the 21st century?
@cralix85
@cralix85 7 жыл бұрын
"There are thing that you can gain by loosing" so true
5 жыл бұрын
Wow, talk about a corrupt system that is slanted if favor of the authorities. So in Japan, If you have the misfortune of getting accused of anything, there is only a very tiny chance that you will be let go as innocent.
@jeffdaman6969
@jeffdaman6969 5 жыл бұрын
With a 99% conviction rate I’m going to say there is little chance you will get off.
@cofuggle
@cofuggle 6 жыл бұрын
Poor woman. I don't know what the man was accused of doing but he is a survivor and I'm so glad that Kai Ko has him in her life.
@agustin5855
@agustin5855 8 жыл бұрын
i already crazy if get wrongly accused for a day,let alone wrobgly convicted for 20-30 years.damn
@Alexandra-oj4ik
@Alexandra-oj4ik 7 жыл бұрын
"Almost all cases that go to trial here result in convictions ... Once they decide to prosecute, they have to get a guilty verdict" - damn, had no clue Ace Attorney was so on point.
@jisoomoon2079
@jisoomoon2079 6 жыл бұрын
At 13:29 isnt that the same music in Buzzfeed Unsolved?
@YumemiDreams
@YumemiDreams 6 жыл бұрын
yaaa > v < it iss haha
@gourmand3
@gourmand3 3 жыл бұрын
The fact that the system will do everything they can to "save face" even though they were clearly in the wrong makes complete sense. I mean, they still haven't acknowledged their crimes in WW2 and still revise history in their textbooks during the event to make them feel like the victim.
@GungKrisna12
@GungKrisna12 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe they will think that all the crimes are all western propaganda
@chrisg5219
@chrisg5219 5 жыл бұрын
This is the problem with saving face.
@Eqvil
@Eqvil 4 жыл бұрын
No problem. Send the officers who got the confession, to lifelong prison, and make that the law. People become extremely diligent when their own lives are on the line.
@akas224
@akas224 4 жыл бұрын
this is a drama made CCP. this woman bought gasoline, put insurance only on her. neighbors saw she was abusing her. the interviewer said 12 hours interrogation, but if it's true, judge eliminate the confession. it 's just drama. the judge is insane, should be guilty.
@mrs.a4564
@mrs.a4564 7 жыл бұрын
Innocent people confess to crimes all the time, everywhere
@Wheatley60
@Wheatley60 6 жыл бұрын
Interrogators didn't solve this case but closed it by forcing their 'culprit' to confess.
@JerryBearElPaso
@JerryBearElPaso 8 жыл бұрын
Hmmmm.... Let's consider ancient methods of jurisprudence: #1 The accused is guilty unless decisively proven innocent. #2 Never tell the accused what he is accused of. It is for him to tell you what he did. #3 Never confront the accused with his accusers. They are to be kept anonymous. #4 Evidence obtained by torture is always to be regarded as valid. #5 It is far better that a 1000 innocents should suffer unjustly than one guilty escape justice, #7 Do not completely exonerate the accused even in found innocent. Nobody would have thought of accusing him if he were not already some kind of scoundrel. #8 The police are never wrong. If anything happens to a suspect it is his fault. #9 If the perpetrator of an outrage is unknown, arrest some lowly unimportant person and beat a confession out of him, the punish him with vigor, The people demand to see justice done! #10 In a dispute between two persons, the one of lower position must always take the blame.
@NickolaySheitanov
@NickolaySheitanov 5 жыл бұрын
Ah yes it looks like someone read Kafka. Oh wait this is real life?
@proud2bpagan
@proud2bpagan 7 жыл бұрын
I hope those falsely accused have financial redress for being falsely imprisoned. Nothing can give them those years back,but they should receive some compensation.
@kevinqagoncillo
@kevinqagoncillo 6 жыл бұрын
They should send these monsters to live her sentence... >____>
@ManturoQ
@ManturoQ 4 жыл бұрын
Imagine losing your baby in a fire and they make you confess you killed her. This is soul crushing beyond belief. But meanwhile, male stalkers get off with a slap on the hand. Japan, what the heck???
@GAEUL1985
@GAEUL1985 6 жыл бұрын
Japan seems like a country with the best of everything but there are so many people fighting depression.
@dodecagonxxv
@dodecagonxxv 3 жыл бұрын
One day you're planning your future then suddenly your life becomes a fight to prove your innocence. What's worse is that those who wrongly prosecuted her might have already been promoted or in higher position of power.
@Camiloken
@Camiloken 8 жыл бұрын
She hasn't been proved to be innocent, nobody can. But for a just society, innocence should be presumed. In a just society, its preferably to let some guilty free, than punish the innocent. The reforms needed in Japan are very well documented and relatively easy to implement (video recording of confessions, lawyer involvement in the questioning procedures). The scariest thing is, Japan is a country with capital punishment, even though applied rarely (thank god), would still be disastrous on a wrongful conviction.
@jellybeans5081
@jellybeans5081 7 жыл бұрын
Camilo Arjona Not for those who killed Junko Furuta :( ....
@Camiloken
@Camiloken 7 жыл бұрын
Winter Wonder They kidnap, raped, abused, and killed her. They went to trial and found guilty. The thing is under Japanese law they were minors, so their sentences were ridiculously short. The good thing is that those criminals got on the wrong side of the law again and we're re-arrested for minor crimes. Being adults now, they got a higher sentencing that from what they did to Junko.
@joseq3431
@joseq3431 6 жыл бұрын
Did this stupid reporter coverage something himself about this case? No. He just made this ridiculous video with selfish testimony of Aoki's Communist party member lawyers. Also, if you really lived in Japan, you supposed to know that this case was a very suspicious sentence and most of the evidence said this ugly couple was guilty. Everyone who lives in Japan knows they raped the girl and Korean guy admits it. The limbs of her burnt body was tied up. Youn idiot!
@wrldtrvlr4vr
@wrldtrvlr4vr 3 жыл бұрын
I feel so bad for Keiko. The government and laws need to change.
@joshuaharrison9331
@joshuaharrison9331 6 жыл бұрын
This is so infuriating, such corruption & breaches of human rights. No wonder the Japanese to me have always seemed so pathetically compliant & unquestioning of the system. What looks like politeness & keeping face is really adherence to outdated ideals for a unfair society. p.s talking about race is not racism.
@azoz273
@azoz273 5 жыл бұрын
Given the amount of corruption, I'm surprised they had released her. It must have hurt their ego. Plus, would this case finally force the justice system to change?
@bobos07
@bobos07 6 жыл бұрын
This kind of thing happens everywhere
@MASTEROFEVIL
@MASTEROFEVIL 6 жыл бұрын
I didn't think a country like Japan had this problem
@GF2445
@GF2445 6 жыл бұрын
The Dark Side of the Law
@MrEjidorie
@MrEjidorie 7 жыл бұрын
If an innocent woman spent 20 years in jail for killing her daughter which she actually didn`t, why doesn`t the Japanese authorities apologize and compensate her? And I wonder why Japanese policemen who framed the innocent woman for a cold-blooded murderer are not punished.
@Ma-cd3fz
@Ma-cd3fz 7 жыл бұрын
crying at 17:20
@buddyman8474
@buddyman8474 6 жыл бұрын
The prison cell more like hostel dorm room than prison
@SIG442
@SIG442 8 жыл бұрын
There seem to be more stories in Japan like this, must be some truth to it all. To what level, no idea.
@ohart5642
@ohart5642 4 жыл бұрын
Why would you get a life insurance on your kids? Its a foreign concept to me. It was weird when my husband got one but it made sense for us to get it because we are more likely to die and kids need to be taken care of. But if my child dies I don't need money, I don't need to be taken care of. Can someone explain? Perhaps I'm not quite understanding due to lack of information.
@cindyjones4190
@cindyjones4190 7 жыл бұрын
poor lady! reminds me of the jon bennett ramsey case in the usa.
@servicedogs1429
@servicedogs1429 5 жыл бұрын
Also want to say it’s unbelievable that they ignored video evidence that she was innocent they really need to show CSI in that country desperately
@jamescatlover123
@jamescatlover123 7 жыл бұрын
I guess it's scary to live in japan. Animes just make it look good.
@ipnotfound7046
@ipnotfound7046 7 жыл бұрын
joy santod anime is gay
@timepickle8443
@timepickle8443 6 жыл бұрын
Stand By theres nothing wrong with being gay. Being a hateful internet fart like you though. Fate worse than death 😂😂
@outdoorminer5533
@outdoorminer5533 6 жыл бұрын
Not if that anime is Psycho-Pass, lol
@jpn_119
@jpn_119 6 жыл бұрын
why do you think were all so goody goody? even if we don't commit a crime we can be imprissioned so we naturally behave best we can, this is the twisted way we make our country so safe...
@sopaslomi8706
@sopaslomi8706 6 жыл бұрын
joy santod your right
@monkeyboiz1
@monkeyboiz1 5 жыл бұрын
why would a parent buy life insurance for thier kid.
@HacksignKT
@HacksignKT 6 жыл бұрын
Those in power ALWAYS abuse it.
@CharlesRaines4946
@CharlesRaines4946 6 ай бұрын
One would expect this sort of behavior from North Korea, Ethiopia, the Philippines and maybe Russia. But not from a modern civilized country like Japan, which just show us how little they have changed since the feudal period. During feudal times criminals were tortured and killed for such petty crimes like stealing and now in Japsn of the 21st century innocent people are forced to confess to crimes that they haven't committed.
@Japonicasian
@Japonicasian 7 жыл бұрын
At least "shot to death before trial" never happen in Japan.
@LilAnonomus
@LilAnonomus 7 жыл бұрын
I'm see a discrepancy here, like, the law assumes you're guilty until proven innocent, but then they have the episode on stalking where the police don't care and the stalkers get off easy? is their system really that hypocritical?
@kenkichiotaka4275
@kenkichiotaka4275 8 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure that this happens in western countries like the USA too.
@harithhumam4372
@harithhumam4372 8 жыл бұрын
It's worse in US for sure.
@1kumokun
@1kumokun 8 жыл бұрын
I disagree, in the US and other western countries (i know it does differ from country to country) you are allowed legal representation when being question or the interrogation must be recorded. The problem with the system in Japan is how long they can hold you without charge and the lack of transparency in how they elicit a confession from the accused. Due this in Japan prosecutors can more easily mentally break a person down to a point where they will agree to anything just to make the mental torture end.
@kenkichiotaka4275
@kenkichiotaka4275 8 жыл бұрын
I will have to disagree with that. Do you know how often black people and other minorities get wrongfully convicted in the USA? Take this for an example. www.globalresearch.ca/when-cops-and-prosecutors-are-racist-criminals-half-of-wrongfully-convicted-prisoners-in-america-are-black/5335151
@1kumokun
@1kumokun 8 жыл бұрын
Don't get me wrong, I am not claiming that the criminal justice system in the US is fair, absolutely not. The video was highlighting the system of eliciting confessions in Japan through a combination of detention without charge (up to 23 days), lack of transparency (and rules) during the interrogation process and also very strict rules relating to legal representation/visitations. These are unusual features of the system in Japan that are not present or as pervasive in other Western countries as they are in Japan. The conviction rate in Japan (99%+) is a key giveaway that there is an issue here. By the way, I love Japan and have had many very positive interactions with the police, however I have had negative experiences with the justice system (supporting a friend who was detained and eventually found to be innocent) as outlined in the report. Japan is great, but it could be much better in this regard (and in other areas too) and certainly you should not be using the US as a very low bar to measure the country against.
@kenkichiotaka4275
@kenkichiotaka4275 8 жыл бұрын
1kumokun In that case, I've gotta agree with u.
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