Japan is building massive Kirov-like battlecruisers?

Japan's MoD just proposed a new class of warships. If they get built, they'll be one of the biggest warships around. This video goes in depth of it all and explains ships' role and what they might look like.
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[@nickday7368]

whoa there fella, who said anything about carriers? they're flat top fixed wing levitating machine destroyers

[@AK-forty-seven]

And manned drones too

[@ceberskie119]

They're refitting the helicopter destroyers to handle F-35s and redesignating them Carriers

[@2ndamendmentmf183]

@@AK-forty-seven super special operation drone for a non combat role but it has options to end life but it's to save people 😂😂😂

[@ericmyrs]

That's not a battlecruiser, it's a Self Defense Destroyer.

[@raffayniazi7970]

💀

[@royalpanther6391]

Dead...💀 😂

[@dyong888]

Same aggression under different name.

[@redtob2119]

@@dyong888 He’s poking fun at the Japanese calling everything a destroyer from a small 3000 ton ship to a full on helicopter/VTOL carrier

[@kyo_mura1247]

We want a 100000 ton Self-defence nuclear aircraft destroyer! We are planning to name the ship Yamato.

[@antonleimbach648]

Japan showed the world how to use aircraft carriers as a strike force. The USA at the time thought that carriers would only be used as air cover for the battleships. It looks like the Japanese are innovating again. I bet they are building ships that are Missile trucks and drone carriers. Watch and learn.

[@spaghettiman2.052]

"Guess who's back, back again" - The Japanese Navy

[@darkshinethakid4463]

Rising Suns back, tell a friend.

[@KillerofWestoids]

@@darkshinethakid4463 Chinese friend.

[@emilianstefan4424]

They better have acual cooperation with the other branches of the the JSDF. The shogunate type rivalry between the Army and the Navy costed Japan a whole lot in WW2.

[@J_X999]

@@KillerofWestoids Hey, it's "tofu dreg" boy again!

[@costakeith9048]

@@emilianstefan4424 That was primarily the army's fault, not the navy's. It was the army that foolishly insisted on directing resources that should have been deployed against Japan's principal threat, the allies, towards their pet project in China instead.

[@user-wx6xk2xk1v]

The Japanese government has announced that it will build the world's largest Aegis destroyer. With a displacement of 20,000 tons and a length of 210 meters and a width of 40 meters, it will be the largest ship in the Maritime Self-Defense Force. It is said that two ships will be built, Yamato and Musashi of Reiwa.

[@paulsteaven]

Yamato might be reused in this case but Musashi? I doubt that, considering JMSDF is currently using the names of Japanese province for their goeikan/helicopter destroyers/light and ASW aircraft carriers.

[@arkad6329]

A new Yamato? Uh oh. I’m just glad Japan is a good guy this time.

[@cheng3580]

Can I ask whether them giving the ship the name Yamato is true?

[@SlavGod47]

Hey...I've seen this one before

[@erikjaroy8214]

If they name it Yamato, then I demand we eventually do a photo op featuring the new Yamato and the new Enterprise sailing side by side! 🇺🇸 🇯🇵

[@DHJakon]

There’s a secret compartment for the mechas and a living compartment for the HS girls piloting them. Season one airs in the winter.

[@someonerandom6137]

Damn imagine this ship is now named Yamato, but instead of being denied of its glory by aircraft, it is now a nightmare to them XD

[@nagasako7]

Japanese ship hull and designs just looks so much cooler than other navies since time of WW2.

[@timbrwolf1121]

This is the right decision. If they had made the aegis system a standalone on an underarmed ship. It would have required them to divert a larger portion of their forces to protect it. This way they should have a much better chance in combat and will require less escort.

[@christaylor6654]

Stationary targets are easy to find and defeat. Plus nobody wants part of a rocket/missile or plane on their roof not good for insurance rates

[@wrecker8236]

@@christaylor6654 but their neighbors are unstable. North Korea launched a missile OVER the main island. Like… over Tokyo. Beijing has repeatedly threatened Japan over possibly interfering with Taiwan. I mean that whole region is a ticking time bomb and Japan being the closet ally of the US mean they have a big target on them, as well as SK

[@arsyadidris6349]

@@christaylor6654 that be true. Land is an extemely valuable commodity in japan afterall. Yes, having air defense is important, but 99% of the time, its not really doing anything visibly relevant to the immediate community. Out to sea it is.

[@IrishCarney]

Whoever is currently Japan's major source of imported oil -- I'd advise not cutting them off...

[@bighands69]

Japan can source its oil from the US if need be or Australia or the middle east. Neither China nor Russia has he ability to blockade Japanese oil.

[@mariusbehr925]

lmao this killed me....

[@piscessoedroen]

@@bighands69 imperial japan sourced its oil from US back then and we all know what happened

[@arsyadidris6349]

After shutting down their nuclear power plants post-tohoku 2011, japan has been importing an ungodly amount of gas to counter the deficit. Gas countries like Malaysia have all the intention in the world to keep exporting to them 😎😎😎

[@Hostoria499BCE]

2 large ships? Getting Yamato and Musashi vibes from this

[@dwightlooi]

It's called the Yamato Class Missile Defense Cruiser. Flight I ships in the class are the Yamato (大和) and the Fuso (扶桑). Flight II ships are the Mizuho (瑞穂) and the Akitsu (秋津). All named after... well... Japan! -- The radar is a version of the SPY-6 with a massive amidships mounted 256 RMA array which can be tilted to point port or starboard with about 30 times the radiated power of the current SPY-1 radars. Two 9 RMA SPY-6(v)2 rotating arrays (aka Enterprise Air Surveillance Radars) sit atop the forward and aft superstructures. These are typically pointed to cover the opposite 240 degree sectors. In an emergency either of these can be rotated to provide 360 degree coverage. -- Weapon systems are vaguely about 256 Mk41 VLS tubes or a combination of 128 Mk41 cells with about 24 large (1.5m) diameter launch tubes for a mid-course interceptor which may be the American NGI or an entirely new Japanese missile with a range of around 5000km .

[@totalnerd5674]

Jesus, we need to finish up our Iowa re-re-re- modernization program quick...

[@shimadwan8251]

Mizuho (瑞穂, "Fresh Grain") was a seaplane cruiser of the Imperial Japanese Navy during World War II .Akitsu Maru (あきつ丸) was a Japanese landing craft depot ship and escort aircraft carrier operated by the Imperial Japanese Army (IJA). In some sources Akitsu Maru and her sister ship Nigitsu Maru (にぎつ丸) are also considered to be the first amphibious assault ships.

[@arsyadidris6349]

Im curious avout that large diameter launch tube… any keywords that i can google?

[@totalnerd5674]

@@arsyadidris6349 Try Hypersonic, Space Vehicle, Drone Launch, and most important - "UP YOURS!!!!!!!"

[@arsyadidris6349]

@@totalnerd5674 aaaaah.. i see.. the really big and expensive “ordinance”

[@pablopervguy4355]

288 VLS, that thing is a floating no-fly zone

[@Soras_]

or floating explosive tank. two 144vls ship would be a better idea.

[@thomaszhang3101]

It will be a true no fly zone if it can connect with awacs to spot targets over the horizon

[@arsyadidris6349]

@@Soras_ ur under the assumption that those two ships with 144 VLS would be smaller. It wouldnt. Coz then ud have a normal AEGIS destroyer… which they already have 8 in service. They intend to fit a much larger radar on that boat, the ones that were supposed to be installed on shore: the LRDR. And those puppies are massive.

[@sedevri864]

Honestly the US needs to support these efforts of Japan as much as possible.

[@blazinchalice]

The USA has been quietly pushing Japan to re-arm for more than a decade.

[@AlexLee-dc2vb]

agreed

[@youtert]

Japan does not have warships, this is a coastal self-defence patrol boat.

[@Mr7700mayday]

Of course all countries believe in it... Same as Izumo-Class "destroyers". But why they seem look like WW2 aircraft carriers, don't they?

[@gn0me420]

This needs to get funded ASAP, a great concept.

[@edsherwook5196]

At least japan sees the writing on the wall and getting ready

[@trikyy7238]

Many comments are missing the point of having BMD. When the enemy launches, the BMD ships will fire a salvo to stop the incoming threat. In a ww3 scenario the ships will be single use items. And in anything less than ww3, they are a fleet-in-being, raising the threshold of any aggression from outside.

[@DaShooter12]

Yea, these comments are quite off

[@Kracovia809]

Imagine they name this new battlecruiser Amagi. Resurrection of the floof

[@itzjoboy5782]

fellow Azur Lane player?

[@Kracovia809]

@@itzjoboy5782 no, just my knowledge about waifus is infinite and Miyuki Sawashiro voice is making my knees soften

[@Xenitity]

@@itzjoboy5782 "I'll be back."

[@v13r3r]

At some point modern navies should just admit that their cruiser sized "destroyers" with cruiser sized weapons, cruiser sized speed and cruiser sized roles are just cruiser sized cruisers.

[@almaztech]

They like being humble

[@gluesniffingdude]

While I agree, the definition of destroyers has itself changed over the years. During the Cold War, a lot of American cruisers were called destroyer leaders; the Soviets called some of theirs large ASW ships. The Spruance and the Arleigh Burke are both cruiser sized ships. I would not be surprised if the cruiser classification actually goes extinct soon.

[@Delgen1951]

@@gluesniffingdude yes that was what the light Cruiser was designed to too do, lead a flotilla of three destroyers. The role of the Cruiser was to raid cargo ships and lighter fleet units.

[@adventwolfbane]

Our normal US Destroyers are already larger than most historic Cruisers. They are nearly as big as the current US cruisers as well. Ships have been getting bigger for decades.

[@v13r3r]

@@adventwolfbane I should probably explain my reasoning better but I'm not simply referencing size as in tonnage or beam length. These things will change because of technology. What I'm referencing more so is weapons and roles. Modern cruisers are theatre level support ships while destroyers have always acted as tactical level escorts. If a primary function of your destroyer is to provide theatre wide defence, attack and coordination while also having the equipment to perform these task effectively, your destroyer is no longer working that tactical role. For example: the last thing you want your in theatre missile shield to do is chase down a submarine or target a few patrol boats that other less capable ships can handle. So its going to sit back to provide offensive/defensive protection and will have the weapons and equipment to do so like that land based AEGIS radar with super long range SM6s. This "destroyer" that Japan is building is designed to do what cruisers have been doing for several decades now. Whats the point in pretending its not And yea that does mean admitting the flight 3 ABs are cruisers too if they are indeed going to the Ticos job

[@Tuck-Shop]

Be me, Sees title... "They are going the Yamato route again"

[@lucagerulat307]

-Japan building a huge battleship -Germany extremely increasing it's military spending So when is ww3 starting?

[@Schnittertm1]

As soon as Russia rebuilds the Soviet Union.

[@noname-mk7hp]

the day i get a gf ....

[@yunnayun9367]

China missed Japan regime

[@simonmay1671]

@@noname-mk7hp please be gay, please be gay, please be gay

[@yunnayun9367]

@@simonmay1671 Philippines support Japan

[@ericjones9487]

They are nothing like the Kirov. They can float, shoot missiles that actually hit things, and don't poison their crews

[@deanfirnatine7814]

That is more than a third bigger than the German "pocket battleship" the Admiral Graf Spee

[@SergeantKillGore]

It will be interesting to see if this encourages other countries who don’t have the ability to field a carrier, to instead invest resources into larger non flattop surface vessels.

[@octagonPerfectionist]

i think it’s the way to go - most countries don’t want to invest in power projection because of how expensive it is, and modern cruise missiles can take the role of strike aircraft in many scenarios. carriers aren’t for defence, they’re for attacking or defending targets far away from their home country!

[@arsyadidris6349]

Indeed. And with a decent enough aviation facility, it can even double as an adhoc emergency response during disasters. And disasters r practically a public holiday for japan i guess. In a sense that they never fail to come atleast once a year.

[@andrewreynolds912]

Arsenal ships haven't been fully used before yet, but their potential could be absolutely valuable

[@dannyzero692]

Arsenal ship is a concept that hasn’t been proven, someone must take the big leap forward to prove that it can work. Just like how the British did with Dreadnought

[@andrewreynolds912]

@@dannyzero692 obviously yes 🙄 but itsconly now before we know if they will build one

[@karlbrundage7472]

Japan is seeing the writing on the wall and is finally acting in its own interests.

[@useritiswhatitis4655]

Until Japan throws out that vassalization-constitution the US made for them after WW2, Japan will continue serving the interests of America.

[@ronniefarnsworth6465]

It will be far better than any Soviet Cruiser having better Tech, Weapons and building practices !!

[@Glitch_visions]

I’ve been wondering when we’d just start strapping as many missiles as possible to an armored hull. Glad to see the geniuses finally put two and two together

[@Ch1maera]

With Korea also announcing they’ll be making a arsenal ship equivalent the area is getting quite spicy

[@deriznohappehquite]

I have no idea what you’re talking about… the Japanese Self-Defense forces are simply building a policing ship. Those missile tubes are to deliver supplies during search and rescue operations.

[@IrishCarney]

Also a great way to deliver humanitarian aid. And even that's strictly for domestic use for natural disasters in Japan; wouldn't even dare do it for any other country.

[@bighands69]

Missile supplies are very important.

[@stupidburp]

The closest existing ships outside of Russia and China are the US Ticonderoga class with 122 VLS cells and the ROK King Sejong the Great class with 128 VLS cells. Each of these are around 10K tons fully loaded. The US is retiring the Ticonderoga class and Arleigh Burke destroyers will have to fill the same role with high capabilities overall but fewer VLS cells. Both the US and Japan should consider cooperating together for a new cruiser design. Neither country is that keen on the large costs required to develop, build, crew, and maintain such proposed vessels. Sharing development expenses and expertise might make them mire viable as a project. Personally I think that such a cruiser should be ice class capable and have some amount of armor. They should have the ability to operate in some polar waters without ice breaker escort. These are increasingly important strategic areas for both the USA and Japan. The structure should be extremely robust and armoring sufficient to shrug off man portable weapons should be included. While armor sufficient to resist large missiles is impractical, lighter armor roughly equivalent to modern tanks or at least infantry fighting vehicles could be feasible and useful. This could mitigate some of the threat from attacks by small vessels armed with weapons such as RPGs. The number of VLS cells should be roughly 200. If two groups of 64 VLS cells were included plus eight groups of 5 VLS cells around the outer edge on each side (40 cells port and 40 cells starboard) that would be 208 VLS in total. The primary advantage of such a large vessel however is not the firepower but the size of the radar that could be included and the command and control center to coordinate fleet actions. A very large radar could detect and track missile and aircraft threats at extreme range. This could make them a valuable asset to have at the core of surface fleets.

[@stupidburp]

Propulsion for such cruisers could either be conventional or nuclear. Conventional would be cheaper to build and easier to maintain throughout the lifetime of the vessels. But it would be of modest speed and range and expensive to operate with vulnerability to fuel prices that are quite high right now. A nuclear powered vessel would be more expensive to build and decommission at end of service. It would require specialized infrastructure and personnel to maintain it. But the speed would be quite high, the range only limited by food supplies, and would be much better for polar operations. The power available would assist with breaking through thin surface ice without a dedicated icebreaker. The range would be extremely useful for operating in remote polar regions with limited support available. The power could also potentially help maximize the utilization of a very large radar. For Japan, a nuclear powered vessel would be quite controversial. For the USA it would be no big deal, mostly coming down to a comparative cost benefit analysis. The USA would probably use a reactor similar to those already in use on Ford class or Virginia class and use similar fuel. Japan would likely need to use a new reactor design but the USA, UK, or France could assist with that. USA assistance would be the most likely and most helpful from a technical perspective. Japan is also looking at possibly revitalization of their civilian nuclear power industry. Japan’s strict anti nuclear weapons policy would probably preclude using high enriched fuel, even if was not connected to any weapons program at all. But HALEU fuel enriched up to 19.75% would be feasible. The US might also share advancements in TRISO fuel that improves safety by resistance to damage from high temperatures. HALEU TRISO fuel could potentially be used in both military and civilian reactors. For civilian use, it would greatly improve efficiency and overall safety. For military use, it could allow the benefits of nuclear power without the security, policy, and treaty challenges of using high enriched fuel.

[@Poctyk]

> lighter armor roughly equivalent to modern tanks 600-800mm of rolled homogenous armor equivalent? That's not light. Also, modern warships have defense against ATGMs. It's called being huge. When shaped charge hits tank it hits something. People, machinery, ammo. If (you are an idiot that somehow got hit by ATGM in a ocean going warship) ATGM would hit a warship, it would hit empty air and do mostly nothing. Same reason why nobody employed shaped charge to fight ships in WW2

[@someonerandom6137]

I agree with you, except for the armored part, most ships would do their best to just not get hit and light weapons would only be a real threat if they were to deploy in littoral zones, however, if it's nuclear powered, then some armor would be needed to protect the reactors. Such ships would be very cool though, heard Russia is building 19000 ton nuclear powered destroyers too, and I think the US wouldn't want to get left behind.

[@Poctyk]

@@someonerandom6137 >building More like dreaming paper projects it will never get. Largest surface vessel Russia made from scratch since fall of USSR is ~5k ton frigates, rough equivalent, but most likely worse to upcoming Constellation class. Thinking that Russia will jump from 5k to nuclear powered 20k is a stretch to say the least. Although tbf Russia does currently construct 30k amphibious assault ships.

[@DarthHugsALot]

I've been woundering for a while when some nation was going to get around to just packing as many vertial launchers as possible on a cruiser hull. Pair up these two hulls with two or three squadrons of destroyers and that's starting to look like an offensive fleet.

[@justaplayer94]

Japan having Yamato vibes i see.

[@jamesvalentine2845]

Comments are alive with naval experts

[@thenoisyninja]

Just Azure Lane enoyers

[@jamesvalentine2845]

@@thenoisyninja Denver protect me from armchair admirals!

[@KittyKittyCat-vf8zd]

LOL Funny enough that this has nothing to do with that. You need to think like a Japanese!!!!!! ... US wanted to deploy land base missile defense system in Japan to defend USA. Japan is a puppet state and has no choice but go with it. At the same time Japan knew that the radar and missiles system would make Japan target number 1 in a war between China or Russia against USA. When they hit Japan, Japan has to respond and defend herself. And Japan wanted no part of another American racketeering war. Someone in Japan came up with this brilliant idea. Move the radar and missiles to sea far far away from Japan. If the ships are sunk, Japan has deniability and can stay out of WWIII. Clever! Japan! Well play!

[@kieranb7582]

Japan just completed their "Invoke the Spirit of Yamamoto" focus on their tree. Can't wastes those buffs

[@patgray5402]

They need large ships to launch their giant robots piloted by children.

[@ItsJoKeZ]

the scary thing is- kids would absolutely dunk on people if the controls matched videogames.

[@mosescyrussolomon-wo6pu]

Japan will whoop your Russky ass 😂

[@stephenfritz7493]

Gundam Wing?

[@fredlandry6170]

Voltron!

[@paleriderpublishing451]

I’m more of an ibo guy myself

[@geoguy001]

The Kirov's are a anti-ship missile platform first...the proposed japanese ship is primarily a anit-air/anti-missile platform...the only similarity is the size

[@Quilly_DM]

Japan likes building really big ships. Nice.

[@alphakky]

Time to revive the battleship names, such as Fuso, Nagato; like the new aircraft carrier, Kaga.

[@witoldradomski4354]

Yamato !

[@isu_noba-152]

The name of the second Izumo-class destroyer is Kaga.

[@libertatumautmori4506]

Just because it’s almost the size of a Kirov doesn’t mean it’s Kirov like. That’s like saying an orange is like an apple because they’re similar in size.

[@Adam-jo3gu]

sounds like a pretty sound judgement if size was the desired factor for comparison.

[@libertatumautmori4506]

@@Adam-jo3gu Sounds like you think an orange is like an apple because they’re so similar in size. Smdh… you can’t be this dumb.

[@KennyNGA]

Well whats the differenc between a frigate and a Destroyer

[@arsyadidris6349]

@@KennyNGA depends on what kind of destroyers, specifically, what theyre packing. Somthing like the arleigh burke, while not well-endowed in terms of missile count compared to a ticonderoga, is big and beefy enough to operate alone and in open oceans. And japan already has 8 destroyers similar to the burkes. A frigate is considerably smaller (hence less fuel and range and endurance) and is less armed (cant fight for too long). Hence frigates either operate in a battlegroup/flotilla or they patrol relatively near to its home port. Now… as for the kirov and this giant thing japan has plans for, theyre big not because they have to, but because they need to. Kirov packed enough giant missiles in its forward VLS deck to completely swamp a carrier group. That was the doctrine anyways. While this yamato 2.0 is big because of the giant radar it has plans on carrying.

[@stealthassasin1day291]

Japan does like big battle ships/cruisers ....

[@raksmeysamrith6625]

Like the Yamato?

[@3idraven714]

It looks like the size of the radar is determining the displacement of the ship, as well as the weapons load out. Using a existing hull, would considerably cut design leadtime and costs. As Binkov pointed out, a mobile platform in this case would be much more useful, and flexible, as compared to a land based system.

[@arsyadidris6349]

And the endurance as well i guess. A bigger ship can carry more fuel and more supplies. It wouldnt be a surprise if they did base this ship off their current line of “helicopter destroyers”, and it would make sense i guess. Its a proven hull design afterall.

[@3idraven714]

@@arsyadidris6349 It looks to me the overall goal is to maximize the radar capabilities, and the size of the ship is designed around housing that radar. Binkov points out the proposal is for a phased array radar, twice the size of the Arleigh Burkes. Using a existing proven hull design is smart. It looks like they are filling up the rest of the space on the ship with weapons and some aircraft.

[@boltthrower3215]

And don‘t forget it can transform in a gundam robot to fight sea monsters…easy to operate….even a japanese school girl can use it

[@TheToonMonkey]

Should help with all those damned Godzilla attacks.

[@DanielGonzalez-cs8pr]

They just need a giant flying turtle controlled by some ten year old kids!

[@metalman6708]

It's funny what 80 years ago we sunk Japans navy. Now we're cheering them on getting battlecruisers 😂

[@KennyNGA]

Are you 80?

[@arsyadidris6349]

My granpa passed away a month ago at a ripe old age of 81. Imperial japan landed in malaysia when he was barely a year old. The two nukes were dropped and extinguished imperial japan when he was just 4 years old. The japan from WW2 is long gone my man… only their ghosts remain in the form of that notorious shrine and a few memorial sites in Hiroshima n Nagasaki.

[@bencochrane6112]

In fairness, big ships make more sense for Japan. They don't need to project power (so aircraft carriers are not strictly necessary), and their coast line is way more concentrated than Russia (so less need to cruise long distances to respond to threats). Having two big old chunks of metal prowling around close to home may not be efficient, but they do need to be dealt with. Any invader needs to to seriously consider them... the fleet in principle theory. With that said; why not Gundam instead? :(

[@AkemiNakajima-xj5kv]

I am Japanese, I think such a battlecruiser would be very useful for Japan, which is surrounded by the sea on all sides compared to the immovable Aegis Ashore. However, partly because the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force is facing a serious shortage of personnel, there are some opinions in Japan that "Aegis Ashore was better."

[@AltIng9154]

No, this thing can't fight! It is only a floting airdefense device. That's all.

[@ItsJoKeZ]

Japan going for the biggest warship- *Names it the Yamato* "hey guys maybe we should...check on japan"

[@killingyouwithlogic5808]

Big ship Big Guns Bige target Just like Yamato was! In this era this Battlecruiser would be a easy target for most Anti-naval Missiles! Japan has not learned from their mistakes! bigger is not better!

[@thanakonpraepanich4284]

@@killingyouwithlogic5808 Only if you don't have three hulls ready to launch for every hull you lost.

[@jcnamaasshi]

@@killingyouwithlogic5808 not really. missile hit target anyway those days.

[@arsyadidris6349]

@@killingyouwithlogic5808 big ship, but no big guns. Biggest probably a 5” naval gun. But it will pack a radar that will detect that missile aiming for it 400km++ away, and carry enough of its own AA missiles take out watever aerial threat is heading its way or Japan. 288 VLS cells does not equate to 288 missiles btw.. u can fit 4 sparrows in one VLS cell. Ofcourse someting as fat as an SM6, SM3 or tomahawk do take up room of one entire cell. And do u really think something that big and expensive will sail on its own? Hell nah. Its got its own escort for sure.

[@geesixnine]

I love how Japan has a history of going big

[@dyong888]

yea we all know how that ended.

[@kyo_mura1247]

みなさんの国が200年前に中国を集団暴行してドラッグ漬けにしたので、日本は不相応な強大化をしなければなりませんでした。

[@ydk1k253]

@@dyong888 Only the US is capable of dealing any damage to the japanese navy, your point is invalid

[@dyong888]

@@ydk1k253 hahah. whatever.

[@tongsllc]

So they named one of their aircraft carriers - Kaga. What are these massive battle cruisers going to be called - Yamato and Musashi?

[@warhawk9566]

probably

[@gruisman]

Japan needs these ships to house their mechwarriors!

[@ricardosmythe2548]

288 vertical launch cells! Naval battles of the future are going to brutal

[@Rampant16]

It will be interested to see the direction navies take in the future. That's a lot of missiles to put on one hull that could still probably be disabled in a single hit. I wonder if other countries will choose to also go for larger warships with tons of missiles, or try to distribute their missiles across a greater number of smaller ships? I also wonder how cost will figure into this. Will a ship of this size, with about 3x the missile capacity of typical destroyers, come in at a lower cost than just having 3 smaller warships?

[@georgethompson1460]

@@Rampant16 Probably cheaper cause hull and missiles are less expensive than multiple electronic and radar warfare suits.

[@dani.zambomagno]

It's frightening. If that ships fired it could sink half of a Chinese fleet

[@hemaccabe4292]

Best use would be an updated Izumo. Nothing says it couldn’t carry F35s and a boatload of missiles.

[@GhostChild808]

Japanese Battlecruiser: "Kirov reporting!" Wrong line there, warship-san XD

[@chang.stanley]

Yamatwo

[@RayshiaRoman]

Time for the Yamato to be reborn

[@coreytaylor5386]

I disparately want battleships to be relevant again and for the US and Japan to start building modern versions of their legendary predecessors

[@user-pd6ev9gb7j]

Not happening. There is no case of an obsolete equipment becoming useful again.

[@angrypixelhunter]

Obsolete equipment can become relevant again. However I do agree that battleships probably won't come back. Even at their prime, they weren't that useful compared to subs and smaller ships.

[@laerzzyziz2381]

@@angrypixelhunter eh, only on less advanced target or subdued targets relatively close to land. It's cost effective if you have a small amount for that purpose. But knowing the us navy's red tape and cost overruns due to over ambitious designs it would overall be unwise.

[@dan7564]

I don't know if it would go full Battleship size. But Kirov size ships like these I can see happening. They reckon with Hypersonic missiles, naval warfare will change, and might make carriers obsolete. But they'd be huge missiles as well so you'd need big ships. The New British type 26 frigates that Australia and Canada are making are almost arleigh burke sized, and the new US destroyer they want to build is even bigger than the burke. Things seem to be getting bigger.

[@rogersmith7396]

Think Romulan Cloak of Invisibility. Get Spoke to poke their commander while Kirk steals it. It could happen.

[@Viking88Power]

Japan has the most badass looking ships.

[@normanarmslave5144]

It sounds like a "carrier sized" AEGIS missile specifically

[@lucascousins6934]

one must, then, assume the names would be Nagato and Mutsu, no? (imo Yamato and Musashi would be reserved for gun cruisers)

[@shockwave2477]

The ships, if built, should be named Yamato and Musashi

[@sirxavior1583]

Ya. and it should proudly fly the IJN ensign (Rising Sun Flag).

[@crowe6961]

@@sirxavior1583 Their naval forces never stopped flying it, so that won't be an issue.

[@jerelwright1665]

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[@user-kp1xz9vi3p]

イージスアショア搭載現代版ミサイル戦艦かぁ胸熱。 もちろん名前はヤマトだよな

[@vanrex7682]

💯

[@user-ry4kd7zb6z]

ヤマトの名前は海上自衛隊では忌み名になってるからつけるなら武蔵かもしれない

[@hansvonfritz1670]

@@user-ry4kd7zb6z maritime self defense force is a bad name itself. I'd name it imperial Japanese navy

[@moteroargentino7944]

They'll probably classify it as a patrol boat 😅

[@kevinrichards1539]

You know that has to do with the treaty after WW2?

[@thanakonpraepanich4284]

@@kevinrichards1539 The treat that was binned in practice thanks to Korean War. When will they formally drop it?

[@AlreadyTakenTag]

Yamato be like: "That's my grandson!"

[@hyro1112]

dont be fooled by the japanese. we all know during combat its gona transform into a gundam.

[@HakusW140]

Most sane comment in this thread.

[@randybaumery5090]

From the USA all of my love and all of my best wishes in Japan's Endeavors to build their Navy up

[@brucewelty7684]

yeah forget 12/7/41

[@jonb914]

@@brucewelty7684 Hard to remember something that happened decades before I was born but in my imagination 1940's Imperial Japan looks a lot like a different fascist power that is currently making threats to take over the same region. I'm a lot more worried about them than being bombed by the ghost of Yamamoto.

[@brucewelty7684]

@@jonb914 The main similarity, though, is their view of anyone not Islander Nip. We are all!!! gaijin. All it would take is a slight government distortion and their true nature will return. Case in point the USA Democratic party. Same mindset as 1860 #AppomatoxWasAMiatake

[@jonb914]

@@brucewelty7684 Your theory and your supporting case both make zero sense. Japan is a representative democracy. Nationalist reactionaries (aka fascists) are the problem, and yes any government can be toppled by a concerted effort by enough of them, just as US democracy is teetering due to MAGA reactionaries. Every country is capable of being a best and worst version of itself. The Democratic party of today has nothing in common with 1860 which is why the people flying Confederate flags and bitching about statue removals are almost exclusively GOP, not to mention they are largely living in the same physical location. Their spiritual ancestors (and for the most part actual ancestors) are of the Confederacy.

[@SteelHex]

Eventually they’ll be named Musashi and Yamato.

[@edsonparcia9679]

And I wouldn't be surprise if the JMSDF will name them Yamato-class (21st century ver,) they do have a trend on naming their newer ships from Imperial Japanese Navy ships back at the days. naming that 20K tonnes of heavy fire power at sea, the Yamato would be bad-ass. Having 2 units of those is already a big leap, considering china has its own nasty plans across the sea.

[@edsonparcia9679]

just name them Yamato and Musashi 2.0 lol Perhaps Shinano 2.0 Can squeeze in

[@piscessoedroen]

and maybe this time she won't just be a port queen

[@fluffly3606]

Technically they're named after objects or concepts that exist whether you associate them with Imperial Japan or not, such as mountains (Kongo), provinces (Yamato), kinds of wind (names ending in -kaze)... But yeah.

[@tritium1998]

Japan could only build a few Yamato ships in that war it lost (maybe you lost with them), although it still uses the same flag it surrendered with. China already has bigger ships right now.

[@beyondags4709]

I’ve seen this before, it’a a classic!

[@markusz4447]

let's call them Yamato and Musashi

[@Bigglesworthicus]

They can't not call them that, its a massive open goal. Japan builds two fuckhueg surface combatants again? There are only two logical names.

[@Arational]

Japan has 3 neighbors that are rattling their sabers loudly. They need good equipment.

[@wolfrainexxx]

I mean, why not? Despite having a history of conquering its neighbors, killing its own people, and endless infighting between factions... China was freely allowed to have a massive arms buildup without any restrictions on its military, or nuke capabilities.

[@rags417]

The Izumo class aren't aircraft carriers silly - they're "Helicopter Destroyers (DDH)" ! The Japanese Constitution does not allow the Japanese Navy to have offensive weaponry so they can't have carriers, so the solution is to simply rename them !

[@hannahtavana]

You can’t change the defensive needs of a country, so this seems a legit effort

[@wei270]

@@hannahtavana the japan can't have an arm force thing should never have been a permeant condition.

[@blazinchalice]

Jgov has been moving forward into grey zones in the production of offensive weapons. Jgov has been making the case of late that the best defense requires some offensive capability, if only to target missile systems deployed by aggressor countries. Japan has a need for intermediate-rage capability in all areas.

[@kevinvo6702]

Go Japan. We need more around that area

[@Boxnesz]

Yamato spirit shall rise again...

[@Emilechen]

when the Mongol empire tries to rise again, Chinese Ming Dynasty just invaded the capital of the Mongols and teach them a lesson,

[@egoborder3203]

the one good thing about the upcoming world war is that Japan is going to re-militarize and we'll likely see some awesome mechs

[@niuchajianfa6222]

lol have you seen Japan popluation growth?

[@LukeTansiongco]

Yamato pt.2 LETS GOOOOO

[@haouribi]

A Kirov-like ship will be awesome, I hate the boring modern tiny destroyers and light cruisers

[@tvgerbil1984]

The new Yamato and Musashi in the modern age of missiles.

[@eizendragon5141]

this gives a Red Alert 3 Yamato battleship vibe

[@toddcooper2563]

I've said it before on other channels and I'll say it again, Japan isn't the same country we fought in WWII. They have since proven to be an asset as an ally and they need to be given the right to rearm themselves, considering they are located in the middle of a Communist hotspot. The last thing China needs right now is Japan building naval warships that can pose a threat to themselves. Go Japan!

[@skylermatthew667]

Word, those people who don't think Japan should have a military, need to be stood around by 3 big dudes with baseball bats while they are unarmed... thats japan without a military... especially if people think the US shouldn't defend it, which imo we definitely should, and are legally binded to defend japan as is

[@dannyzero692]

@@skylermatthew667 the US have sworn to protect Japan ever since they drafted up its Constitution. They will defend it if need be.

[@dgthe3]

@@dannyzero692 Sure. But Japan is pretty far away from where most American forces are based. So if they can defend themselves for a couple weeks they are going to be much more secure than if they relied completely on the US.

[@skylermatthew667]

@@dannyzero692 The US is a Democracy, if the people don't want us defending Japan, we won't be. This is definitely far fetched don't get me wrong, but it's true.

[@robinpangilinan5026]

That ship is about to release in MW this July as Free Battle Pass 😅

[@shamanbhattacharyya9285]

And it is an assault ship for some reason instead of a BMD ship 😢

[@watcherzero5256]

They actually said in the budget proposal that they would be based around Kyushu and the southern chain islands along the edge of the East China Sea to protect them from possible Chinese invasion (China claims some Japanese islands) and provide a counterstrike capability against the Chinese mainland

[@KennyNGA]

Omg they named an entire Island Kyushu in Honor of Avatar

[@richardwilson3400]

Godzilla is coming back and the panda which is actually a cobra better watch out. Godzilla knows how to kick ass

[@wumaobot]

Yes they build this for murica, as lapdog to serve murica interest, but can it survive from tsunami?

[@Daniel-sq9xv]

Here we go again bois

[@ADHDgonewild7]

Another thing that makes these ships a smart move is that Japan is the most geologically active place in the world. Land based missile defense could actually require more maintenance than ships would because ships won’t be effected by earthquakes and landslides

[@arsyadidris6349]

Exactly. They lost 5 of their Mitsubishi F2 multirole fighter jets because of the 2011 earthquake n tsunami combo. Each bird is a cool $120million. Thats $600million gone thanks to mother nature. The quake also damaged 13 other F2 planes n repair cost was almost $800million. Oof.

[@grahamstrouse1165]

That may have gone into their thinking.

[@crazywarriorscatfan9061]

I was wondering about this when I read it on USNI news. Thanks for more info!

[@Thirdbase9]

Japan will soon be announcing the construction of 70,000 ton 18.1 inch armed Destroyers.

[@Daves_Not_Here_Man_76]

It will indeed destroy things

[@LRCam]

New YAMATO reborn from the depths of the sea 🇯🇵🇯🇵🇯🇵

[@brianfoley4328]

Nice presentation...clear and easy to follow...pure speculation but interesting none the less.

[@stewartjmurray]

That San Antonio missile platform needs to be built

[@GM-fh5jp]

I hope they build 2 fast, heavily armed Battle Cruisers. That would be pretty awesome.

[@arsyadidris6349]

If theyre using a hull based off the Izumo carriers, it can blitz to 30+ knots, officially. And thats pretty dang fast for a 20,000 tonne ship.

[@nashzahm]

It seems Japan is finally back to innovating in naval Warfare, Akagi and Yamato's spirits live on.

[@wolfrainexxx]

I mean, why not? Germany has the largest Military Industrial Complex in Europe; I don't see why Japan can't have multiple carrier fleets.

[@mmabri]

@@wolfrainexxx Because their military is strictly a defensive one. Under the terms of their surrender in 1945 they are forbidden from having such ships.

[@InfinityUnleashed]

@@mmabri They did found a loophole to it aka their Izumi-Class ships, a de facto Aircraft carrier for F35B. Its written as a "Helicopter/Multipurpose ship" instead of a "Aircraft Carrier" which they aren't allowed to have.

[@questionmaker5666]

@@mmabri It's their constitution, not an 80-yr old treaty, that stops them having 'aircraft carriers'.

[@KittyKittyCat-vf8zd]

LOL this has nothing to do with that. You need to think like a Japanese!!!!!! ... US wanted to deploy land base missile defense system in Japan to defend USA. Japan is a puppet state and has no choice but go with it. At the same time Japan knew that the radar and missiles system would make Japan target number 1 in a war between China or Russia against USA. When they hit Japan, Japan has to respond and defend herself. And Japan wanted no part of another American racketeering war. Someone in Japan came up with this brilliant idea. Move the radar and missiles to sea far far away from Japan. If the ships are sunk, Japan has deniability and can stay out of WWIII. Clever! Japan! Well play!

[@GM-fh5jp]

These new ships need to be classified as Battlecruisers-Missile Heavy weight punch with high speed and heavy Anti-Air suite. Hope they build them.

[@adhip0574]

Man Japan cant get enough of Big ass ships

[@JayMcKinsey]

Are they going to name it Yamato?

[@quirkdetector8876]

Japan last decade: Let's build a small, single purpose vessel to not offend anyone with our navy. US: however you want to use it, we'll freely sell it to you. Japan now: It's go big or go home! US: Now that's more like it!

[@aldrinmilespartosa1578]

He we do again, same incentives breeds simmilar ships. Might as well call it Yamato and Musashi, it would be cool.

[@somestarman892]

The Yamato was a beautiful ship for ship to ship combat as was the musashi. I’m not even Japanese 😊

[@tranquoccuong890-its-orge]

2 out of 3 name choices for this new ship class: yamato, musashi & shinano